Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunrise in east

2007-03-23 Thread LT Don

I rest my case. I had Loran-A, Loran-C, twin VOR, TACAN/DME, twin VHF voice,
UHF, VHF-FM, ...

By the way, _I_ as the bench tech calibrating this stuff. Nothing makes you
accurate calibrating glide slope stuff more than knowing it is YOUR butt
these trons are bring home alive.

:-)


On 3/22/07, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I was flying Dad's Cessna 195, and MY Cessna 140, paid for out of my own
pocket!

On 3/22/07, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You were flying Dad's plane, paid for by Dad's bank account.
>
> I had the USA subsidizing my  avionics package, plus paying me a nICe
(<--
> won't fix that, that was the cat's paw) ... wage to fix 'em and then fly
> 'em.
>
> Today, I'd be doing the same thing in a Falcon 20 w/ SatNav and GPS.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunrise in east

2007-03-23 Thread OK Don

I was flying Dad's Cessna 195, and MY Cessna 140, paid for out of my own pocket!

On 3/22/07, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You were flying Dad's plane, paid for by Dad's bank account.

I had the USA subsidizing my  avionics package, plus paying me a nICe (<--
won't fix that, that was the cat's paw) ... wage to fix 'em and then fly
'em.

Today, I'd be doing the same thing in a Falcon 20 w/ SatNav and GPS.



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"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
sit there."
Will Rogers
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunrise in east

2007-03-23 Thread LT Don

You were flying Dad's plane, paid for by Dad's bank account.

I had the USA subsidizing my  avionics package, plus paying me a nICe (<--
won't fix that, that was the cat's paw) ... wage to fix 'em and then fly
'em.

Today, I'd be doing the same thing in a Falcon 20 w/ SatNav and GPS.

On 3/22/07, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Sheesh -- I first used LF loops, then moved up to Omni Range - on VHF,
in Dad's plane. I just had a little 4 freq. Narco - could talk to some
of the towers when I got there (or close enough). The E6B and reports
from the FSS was usually close enough (while following the railroad
tracks). I don't think there was room for a sextant in my Cessna 140.
The auto pilot function was not falling asleep.

On 3/22/07, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wilton:
>
> Got an email from Moses today. He wants you to return the rock you
borrowed
> from him.
>
> Dang, Wilton, I at least had Loran-A to guide me thru the skies.
>
> Our plane did carry a sextant, though. I used it once to thump the side
of
> my HF receiver when a tuning sub-system something-or-other was stuck and
> wouldn't track.
>
> The thump fixed the HF. I carefully returned the sextant to its storage
> area. Couldn't replace the disturbed cobwebs, however.
>
> Let me bring you up to speed on the modern aircraft nav in the 1970s.
Cross
> two Loran-A lines on a chart (paper, covered by 1/4" plexiglass, marked
on
> by a one-mile-wide grease pencil. Took about 30 seconds to get a
position,
> so by the time you marked where you are (were) you'd boogied a bit down
the
> piece of paper. Throw in parallax error caused by the plexiglass and
ground
> speed while plotting, throw in the width of the grease pencil, I always
knew
> where I was at any given fifteen minute interval, +/- 10 miles. (Lots of
> ocean to search in a 10x10 mile area.) ... We started getting Loran-C
> receivers about the time I stopped flying nav and headed off to OCS.
>
> All joking aside, I carried my own charts. No grease pencil and no
> plexiglass. I nav'd on paper -- carried my own set in my helmet bag --
with
> a sharp pencil. Very anal-retentive and detail oriented. And that is the
> same characteristic that motivated my air station officers to ask me to
> apply (successfully) to OCS.
>
> D.
>
> On 3/22/07, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > - B-52 navs used to say, "We measure it with calipers, mark it
with a
> > grease pencil and chop it with an ax."
> >
> > "Calipers" refers to trying to get very fine/precise readings in
bearing
> > and
> > elevation of the celestial body on the sextant.  "Mark with grease
pencil"
> > refers to the occasional dull pencil which could plot a line on some
> > charts
> > nearly a mile wide.  "Chop it with an ax" refers to navigator judgment
> > which
> > sometimes leads him/her to put more weight/value on one celestial
> > observation than another or to place more value on DR position (dead
> > reckoning position obtained by plotting heading, air speed, time and
> > wind/drift) than on the celestial info.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> >
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sit there."
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunrise in east

2007-03-23 Thread OK Don

Sheesh -- I first used LF loops, then moved up to Omni Range - on VHF,
in Dad's plane. I just had a little 4 freq. Narco - could talk to some
of the towers when I got there (or close enough). The E6B and reports
from the FSS was usually close enough (while following the railroad
tracks). I don't think there was room for a sextant in my Cessna 140.
The auto pilot function was not falling asleep.

On 3/22/07, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Wilton:

Got an email from Moses today. He wants you to return the rock you borrowed
from him.

Dang, Wilton, I at least had Loran-A to guide me thru the skies.

Our plane did carry a sextant, though. I used it once to thump the side of
my HF receiver when a tuning sub-system something-or-other was stuck and
wouldn't track.

The thump fixed the HF. I carefully returned the sextant to its storage
area. Couldn't replace the disturbed cobwebs, however.

Let me bring you up to speed on the modern aircraft nav in the 1970s. Cross
two Loran-A lines on a chart (paper, covered by 1/4" plexiglass, marked on
by a one-mile-wide grease pencil. Took about 30 seconds to get a position,
so by the time you marked where you are (were) you'd boogied a bit down the
piece of paper. Throw in parallax error caused by the plexiglass and ground
speed while plotting, throw in the width of the grease pencil, I always knew
where I was at any given fifteen minute interval, +/- 10 miles. (Lots of
ocean to search in a 10x10 mile area.) ... We started getting Loran-C
receivers about the time I stopped flying nav and headed off to OCS.

All joking aside, I carried my own charts. No grease pencil and no
plexiglass. I nav'd on paper -- carried my own set in my helmet bag -- with
a sharp pencil. Very anal-retentive and detail oriented. And that is the
same characteristic that motivated my air station officers to ask me to
apply (successfully) to OCS.

D.

On 3/22/07, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> - B-52 navs used to say, "We measure it with calipers, mark it with a
> grease pencil and chop it with an ax."
>
> "Calipers" refers to trying to get very fine/precise readings in bearing
> and
> elevation of the celestial body on the sextant.  "Mark with grease pencil"
> refers to the occasional dull pencil which could plot a line on some
> charts
> nearly a mile wide.  "Chop it with an ax" refers to navigator judgment
> which
> sometimes leads him/her to put more weight/value on one celestial
> observation than another or to place more value on DR position (dead
> reckoning position obtained by plotting heading, air speed, time and
> wind/drift) than on the celestial info.
>
> Wilton
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunrise in east

2007-03-23 Thread LT Don

Wilton:

Got an email from Moses today. He wants you to return the rock you borrowed
from him.

Dang, Wilton, I at least had Loran-A to guide me thru the skies.

Our plane did carry a sextant, though. I used it once to thump the side of
my HF receiver when a tuning sub-system something-or-other was stuck and
wouldn't track.

The thump fixed the HF. I carefully returned the sextant to its storage
area. Couldn't replace the disturbed cobwebs, however.

Let me bring you up to speed on the modern aircraft nav in the 1970s. Cross
two Loran-A lines on a chart (paper, covered by 1/4" plexiglass, marked on
by a one-mile-wide grease pencil. Took about 30 seconds to get a position,
so by the time you marked where you are (were) you'd boogied a bit down the
piece of paper. Throw in parallax error caused by the plexiglass and ground
speed while plotting, throw in the width of the grease pencil, I always knew
where I was at any given fifteen minute interval, +/- 10 miles. (Lots of
ocean to search in a 10x10 mile area.) ... We started getting Loran-C
receivers about the time I stopped flying nav and headed off to OCS.

All joking aside, I carried my own charts. No grease pencil and no
plexiglass. I nav'd on paper -- carried my own set in my helmet bag -- with
a sharp pencil. Very anal-retentive and detail oriented. And that is the
same characteristic that motivated my air station officers to ask me to
apply (successfully) to OCS.

D.

On 3/22/07, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


- B-52 navs used to say, "We measure it with calipers, mark it with a
grease pencil and chop it with an ax."

"Calipers" refers to trying to get very fine/precise readings in bearing
and
elevation of the celestial body on the sextant.  "Mark with grease pencil"
refers to the occasional dull pencil which could plot a line on some
charts
nearly a mile wide.  "Chop it with an ax" refers to navigator judgment
which
sometimes leads him/her to put more weight/value on one celestial
observation than another or to place more value on DR position (dead
reckoning position obtained by plotting heading, air speed, time and
wind/drift) than on the celestial info.

Wilton


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