Re: [MBZ] Painting and looking for seats....
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:13:04 EDT relng...@aol.com wrote: Who's paying for this? Auto paint is very expensive and a base coat/clear coat job is going to cost more. A lot more. As to which paint, I'm guessing it's been a long time since single stage paint was used (except on the very cheapest cars, and certainly not any of the Germans and non-metallic) so the selections may be limited. The advantage to two stage is that when you polish it, you are polishing the clear and not the base coat which BTW is not glossy. ...Questiondoes anyone know if a single-stage paint finish is more or less durable than a double-stage paint finish?? My car, a? solid dark blue, was repainted (and failed, due to bad paint) and is now going to be re-preped and shot.? The shop is willing to shoot it either way..hence, my question = The paint manufacturer (I won't give the name, but if anyone want to know, email me privately) is re-emburseing my shop to re-shoot my car. It was determined by my body shop and the rep that it was a failure of the paint, not the application or the prep. When I questioned why there was no clearcoat, (answer:solids are shot single stage; metallics shot BC/CC.), he offered to re-shoot it as BC/CC, hence, my question. Based on what I've read and the link provided by Larry T(?), I'll be taking the BC/CC route. I was also planning on r/r the bumper chrome but I think I'll wait till the spring. And my shop said no problem doing that part of the job in the spring. One more thing..anyone have some nice, newer W126 Palomino seats or interrior parts (drivers' door panel, in specific) they want to part with? Thanks, Angelo Giaimo 1990 W126 Longbody -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091017/6f27709c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Painting and looking for seats....
offered to re-shoot it as BC/CC, hence, my question. Based on what I've read and the link provided by Larry T(?), I'll be taking the BC/CC route. I note that my Dodge truck, which has (apparently) a single-stage red paint, looks quite a bit better than my neighbor's similar truck, newer, that has an obviously-failing clearcoat. I've seen a lot of scabrous clear coats out there. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Painting and looking for seats....
Hi Angelo - I went thru all of these questions when I painted my 911 Guards Red. I did all of the work myself and it came equal to any factory job IMHO. I used BC/CC because it's forgiving (I actually painted it, didn't like the results and started over) and as has been mentioned, the clear coat is sanded, polished and buffed before being waxed later. I must admit, putting sand paper on the CC when it looked SO good was heart wrenching. Anyway, I sanded with 800, 1000, 1500 and finally 2000 or 2500 (can't recall) before using 3 grades of buffing/polishing compounds (each one was a complete sanding of every square inch of painted surface BTW) before it was basically done. It's a huge amount of work and I now know why a high quality paint job can cost $5000 and up. But it's all in the labor and preparation. Things like sanding are not preparatory or in anyway to be considered less than applying paint. he sanding probably has more to do with the final appearance than anything else. Well, in reality it's ALL equally important. Also, I found BC/CC to be forgiving. I put more CC's on with the intent of sanding them off to get a really smooth finish. I did have a couple of mistakes - I think it was 3 drops of sweat hit the color when I was laying it down. I got a small rag and cleaned it up - probably did some other stuff also but can't recall - they are completely blended with the rest of the paint and cannot be detected. If that had happened with a single stage I believe the whole panel would have to be re-done. This carries over to the time when you'll be driving the car again. Paint chips and minor dents dings are still easier to repair than a single stage - important if you'll be keeping the car for a while. Every once in a while when the car is outside I notice an area which is not quite as glossy as the others - all I need do is remove the wax and start the 3 step buffing process and it is looking proper in no time. I'm not sure why some cars have CC lift - my 89 Ford is lifting as is my 91 300D. My 78 240D still looks perfect after a 1995 repaint. It may have something to do with the CC material itself - missing some critical additives to help it withstand long-term sun exposure. I'm sure the paint suppliers have specs to meet and once a car is 10+ years old the manufacturers place little focus on such an old car. They probably think most people will have traded up to a newer car and the 2nd hand owner is not as critical (IMNSHO of course). BTW, MB had a problem with 00 and '01 MBs losing pieces of paint exposing corrosion underneath. I know one man who bought a S430 new and never had any accidents, etc. - after 6 or 7 years the paint started coming off in *sheets* - it was heading to court last I heard. Good Luck, LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Angelo Giaimo michaelangel...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 11:41 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Painting and looking for seats On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:13:04 EDT relng...@aol.com wrote: Who's paying for this? Auto paint is very expensive and a base coat/clear coat job is going to cost more. A lot more. As to which paint, I'm guessing it's been a long time since single stage paint was used (except on the very cheapest cars, and certainly not any of the Germans and non-metallic) so the selections may be limited. The advantage to two stage is that when you polish it, you are polishing the clear and not the base coat which BTW is not glossy. ...Questiondoes anyone know if a single-stage paint finish is more or less durable than a double-stage paint finish?? My car, a? solid dark blue, was repainted (and failed, due to bad paint) and is now going to be re-preped and shot.? The shop is willing to shoot it either way..hence, my question = The paint manufacturer (I won't give the name, but if anyone want to know, email me privately) is re-emburseing my shop to re-shoot my car. It was determined by my body shop and the rep that it was a failure of the paint, not the application or the prep. When I questioned why there was no clearcoat, (answer:solids are shot single stage; metallics shot BC/CC.), he offered to re-shoot it as BC/CC, hence, my question. Based on what I've read and the link provided by Larry T(?), I'll be taking the BC/CC route. I was also planning on r/r the bumper chrome but I think I'll wait till the spring. And my shop said no problem doing that part of the job in the spring. One more thing..anyone have some nice, newer W126 Palomino seats or interrior parts (drivers' door panel, in specific) they want to part
Re: [MBZ] Painting and looking for seats....
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:53:50 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: offered to re-shoot it as BC/CC, hence, my question. Based on what I've read and the link provided by Larry T(?), I'll be taking the BC/CC route. I note that my Dodge truck, which has (apparently) a single-stage red paint, looks quite a bit better than my neighbor's similar truck, newer, that has an obviously-failing clearcoat. I've seen a lot of scabrous clear coats out there. Yes, I have, too. The article Larry posted said BC/CC was better. In my experience, it is not. The '72 220D/8 I had was painted with a single step process and the paint was just about bulletproof. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Painting and looking for seats....
Good to know. I need to splash some paint onto Gump this spring. She has serious dandruff of the CC, so a single topping would be great if it got rid of the flaking and itching on top clay On Oct 17, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:53:50 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: offered to re-shoot it as BC/CC, hence, my question. Based on what I've read and the link provided by Larry T(?), I'll be taking the BC/CC route. I note that my Dodge truck, which has (apparently) a single-stage red paint, looks quite a bit better than my neighbor's similar truck, newer, that has an obviously-failing clearcoat. I've seen a lot of scabrous clear coats out there. Yes, I have, too. The article Larry posted said BC/CC was better. In my experience, it is not. The '72 220D/8 I had was painted with a single step process and the paint was just about bulletproof. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Painting and looking for seats....
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:40:23 -0700 Redghost redgh...@comcast.net wrote: She has serious dandruff of the CC, so a single topping would be great if it got rid of the flaking and itching on top Try Head and Shoulders; it's supposed to get rid of flaking and itching on top. :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
