Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
Kaleb, can you contact the owner of the vehicle that had it before the guy you bought it from. He may able to add some information about the car and it's recent history. Mike On May 02, 2011, at 10:49 AM, David Bruckmann bruckmannd@transcontinentalca wrote: It's not the oil. He was running Delvac and had the problem then, before the dealer changed the oil. Like any other MB, oil pressure should peg essentially as soon as you move off the line. MINIMUM is that it peg at 3000rpm, which on that car should be around 50mph. Oil circuit description and test procedure attached, job 18-205. You could try checking the oil pressure relief valve on the pump. It is easy to reach, just remove the lower pan. The 617.91x engine manual, job 18-215 attached, specifies a repair to the valve in case of complaints of low oil pressure. Apparently they tended to come loose in 617.910 engines There is a revised valve design and a recommended sealing compound. D. On 5/1/2011 2:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I drove the car a little bit yesterday and was able to get it to the point that at hot idle the pressure drops down to about half way between the bottom and the 1st mark. It pegs when revved up but without a tach Im not sure what rpm its running. I know that on flat ground in 4th going about 60 mpg it will be just right off being pegged. Its not against the peg but its almost there. It does seem to be low but what I dont get is the fact that this oil is not pitch black like all other diesel oil I have seen so I still think it might be something to do with the oil thats in there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
It's not the oil. He was running Delvac and had the problem then, before the dealer changed the oil. Like any other MB, oil pressure should peg essentially as soon as you move off the line. MINIMUM is that it peg at 3000rpm, which on that car should be around 50mph. Oil circuit description and test procedure attached, job 18-205. You could try checking the oil pressure relief valve on the pump. It is easy to reach, just remove the lower pan. The 617.91x engine manual, job 18-215 attached, specifies a repair to the valve in case of complaints of low oil pressure. Apparently they tended to come loose in 617.910 engines. There is a revised valve design and a recommended sealing compound. D. On 5/1/2011 2:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I drove the car a little bit yesterday and was able to get it to the point that at hot idle the pressure drops down to about half way between the bottom and the 1st mark. It pegs when revved up but without a tach Im not sure what rpm its running. I know that on flat ground in 4th going about 60 mpg it will be just right off being pegged. Its not against the peg but its almost there. It does seem to be low but what I dont get is the fact that this oil is not pitch black like all other diesel oil I have seen so I still think it might be something to do with the oil thats in there. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
I drove the car a little bit yesterday and was able to get it to the point that at hot idle the pressure drops down to about half way between the bottom and the 1st mark. It pegs when revved up but without a tach Im not sure what rpm its running. I know that on flat ground in 4th going about 60 mpg it will be just right off being pegged. Its not against the peg but its almost there. It does seem to be low but what I dont get is the fact that this oil is not pitch black like all other diesel oil I have seen so I still think it might be something to do with the oil thats in there. On 4/29/2011 9:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: wasnt there something about the big bolt where the distributor would mount if it was a gas car having something to do with the oil pump? I seem to recall something about this from years ago. On 4/28/2011 10:08 PM, Dieselhead wrote: MY recollection is that the OM615 and early 617 have a smaller can than the OM621. It is in essence, a fram C3 filter size. I never changed oil on a 615, and Randy should be able to confirm this. I think it is the same as the 621, where the oil filter cartridge is only the bypass filter. There is supposed to be a spring in the bottom of the can. Then the cartridge, then the main filter. The main filter is a reuseable plastic thing link 4 saucers stacked like this: ()() When you put the can on the engine, you have to push the main and cansiter filters down, hold them down with ine finger until you get the can pressed up against the housing, then screw in the bolt that holds the can. There are no stem orings like on the 123 OM616/7 and OM60x engines. I have seen 621s with NOTHING in the filter can that hold good oil pressure. I don't think the problem is there, but theyre MAY be a valve in the can that controls main vs bypass. If all the oil is diverted to the bypass, the oil pressure might drop as in this case. I would expect more like low pressure until the whole can is pressurized, then normal pressure, if all the flow went to the bypass filter. If anyone has a 615 book or a 617 book, this should be able to be confirmed or refuted. Maybe, I was trying to remember if those have the o ring deal like the later cars Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I have never heard of bearings wearing out on one of those, usually the rings would wear out first and it would just loose compression. The usual cause of bearing problems is it leaks oil and they let it run out and it causes problems, but then you get noise. This car has no noise at all, nothing. It is a mystery indeed. Oil pressure was down to below .5 bar hot, and would only peg the gauge at 80mph. That was before anyone did anything... with fresh Delvac 1300 15w40. It got worse after the dealer oil change. The hope was that the pressure limit valve was the culprit, but the bearing shavings in the filter (after only 20 miles of driving) suggested otherwise. Wouldn't the oil filter o-ring being bad or missing cause low oil pressure? Rick Who knows nothing about anything older than a 123 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3603 - Release Date: 04/28/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
On Sun, 01 May 2011 14:38:17 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I know that on flat ground in 4th going about 60 mpg With that kind of fuel mileage, you ought to sell it quick! :-) it will be just right off being pegged. Its not against the peg but its almost there. It does seem to be low but what I dont get is the fact that this oil is not pitch black like all other diesel oil I have seen so I still think it might be something to do with the oil thats in there. It does seem odd. I've run diesels for almost 40 years and the oil has always been pitch black. Change it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
Could there be blockage that's keeping the oil from the area where it normally gets soot? Your repeated comments about the non-black oil makes me wonder if this problem isn't a normal oil pressure issue Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 5/1/2011 2:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I drove the car a little bit yesterday and was able to get it to the point that at hot idle the pressure drops down to about half way between the bottom and the 1st mark. It pegs when revved up but without a tach Im not sure what rpm its running. I know that on flat ground in 4th going about 60 mpg it will be just right off being pegged. Its not against the peg but its almost there. It does seem to be low but what I dont get is the fact that this oil is not pitch black like all other diesel oil I have seen so I still think it might be something to do with the oil thats in there. On 4/29/2011 9:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: wasnt there something about the big bolt where the distributor would mount if it was a gas car having something to do with the oil pump? I seem to recall something about this from years ago. On 4/28/2011 10:08 PM, Dieselhead wrote: MY recollection is that the OM615 and early 617 have a smaller can than the OM621. It is in essence, a fram C3 filter size. I never changed oil on a 615, and Randy should be able to confirm this. I think it is the same as the 621, where the oil filter cartridge is only the bypass filter. There is supposed to be a spring in the bottom of the can. Then the cartridge, then the main filter. The main filter is a reuseable plastic thing link 4 saucers stacked like this: ()() When you put the can on the engine, you have to push the main and cansiter filters down, hold them down with ine finger until you get the can pressed up against the housing, then screw in the bolt that holds the can. There are no stem orings like on the 123 OM616/7 and OM60x engines. I have seen 621s with NOTHING in the filter can that hold good oil pressure. I don't think the problem is there, but theyre MAY be a valve in the can that controls main vs bypass. If all the oil is diverted to the bypass, the oil pressure might drop as in this case. I would expect more like low pressure until the whole can is pressurized, then normal pressure, if all the flow went to the bypass filter. If anyone has a 615 book or a 617 book, this should be able to be confirmed or refuted. Maybe, I was trying to remember if those have the o ring deal like the later cars Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I have never heard of bearings wearing out on one of those, usually the rings would wear out first and it would just loose compression. The usual cause of bearing problems is it leaks oil and they let it run out and it causes problems, but then you get noise. This car has no noise at all, nothing. It is a mystery indeed. Oil pressure was down to below .5 bar hot, and would only peg the gauge at 80mph. That was before anyone did anything... with fresh Delvac 1300 15w40. It got worse after the dealer oil change. The hope was that the pressure limit valve was the culprit, but the bearing shavings in the filter (after only 20 miles of driving) suggested otherwise. Wouldn't the oil filter o-ring being bad or missing cause low oil pressure? Rick Who knows nothing about anything older than a 123 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3603 - Release Date: 04/28/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 21:31:43 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: wasnt there something about the big bolt where the distributor would mount if it was a gas car having something to do with the oil pump? I seem to recall something about this from years ago. The Service Manual for engines 615, 616, 617.91 in Section 05-410 shows removal of the helical gear shaft. The sketch at the lower right of page 1 shows mechanical arrangement. The timing chain drives the injection timing device which is attached to the front end of the intermediate gear shaft. The back end of the intermediate gear shaft drives the injection pump. At the middle of the intermediate gear shaft is a helical gear. This gear, on the horizontal intermediate gear shaft, engages a corresponding gear on the nearly vertical helical gear shaft. The bottom end of the helical gear shaft drives the oil pump shaft. The top end of the intermediate gear shaft is held by the thrust piece. The thrust piece is held near its top by a retaining bolt that comes in from the side. The top end of the thrust piece is closed by a large screw plug, which has M26xl.5 threads. This is the hexagonal bolt in the flat spot at the front end of the driver's side of the block right in front of the injection pump. In a gasoline engine, the large screw plug would be replaced by a distributor. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
Your basic description is accurate. The cartridge goes in the can and the nylon doodad with the mesh in it goes on top. A bit of a devil to get it all back into the car as there is not a whole lot of room. I have found it helps a lot if I put the car up on ramps before hand so that I can get far enough under to see if I appear to be lined up. It is possible to get the bolt in the wrong spot and to bend the edge of the canister if one tries to tighten it up without it being aligned properly. Cannot recall if there are any o-rings on the bolt. I don't think I have ever changed any. Randy On 28/04/2011 10:08 PM, Dieselhead wrote: MY recollection is that the OM615 and early 617 have a smaller can than the OM621. It is in essence, a fram C3 filter size. I never changed oil on a 615, and Randy should be able to confirm this. I think it is the same as the 621, where the oil filter cartridge is only the bypass filter. There is supposed to be a spring in the bottom of the can. Then the cartridge, then the main filter. The main filter is a reuseable plastic thing link 4 saucers stacked like this: ()() When you put the can on the engine, you have to push the main and cansiter filters down, hold them down with ine finger until you get the can pressed up against the housing, then screw in the bolt that holds the can. There are no stem orings like on the 123 OM616/7 and OM60x engines. I have seen 621s with NOTHING in the filter can that hold good oil pressure. I don't think the problem is there, but theyre MAY be a valve in the can that controls main vs bypass. If all the oil is diverted to the bypass, the oil pressure might drop as in this case. I would expect more like low pressure until the whole can is pressurized, then normal pressure, if all the flow went to the bypass filter. If anyone has a 615 book or a 617 book, this should be able to be confirmed or refuted. Maybe, I was trying to remember if those have the o ring deal like the later cars Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I have never heard of bearings wearing out on one of those, usually the rings would wear out first and it would just loose compression. The usual cause of bearing problems is it leaks oil and they let it run out and it causes problems, but then you get noise. This car has no noise at all, nothing. It is a mystery indeed. Oil pressure was down to below .5 bar hot, and would only peg the gauge at 80mph. That was before anyone did anything... with fresh Delvac 1300 15w40. It got worse after the dealer oil change. The hope was that the pressure limit valve was the culprit, but the bearing shavings in the filter (after only 20 miles of driving) suggested otherwise. Wouldn't the oil filter o-ring being bad or missing cause low oil pressure? Rick Who knows nothing about anything older than a 123 ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:07:26 -0500 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Your basic description is accurate. The cartridge goes in the can and the nylon doodad with the mesh in it goes on top. A bit of a devil to get it all back into the car as there is not a whole lot of room. I have found it helps a lot if I put the car up on ramps before hand so that I can get far enough under to see if I appear to be lined up. It is possible to get the bolt in the wrong spot and to bend the edge of the canister if one tries to tighten it up without it being aligned properly. Cannot recall if there are any o-rings on the bolt. I don't think I have ever changed any. There is a copper washer between the head of the center bolt and the cannister and a rubber o-ring between the cannister and the oil filter mount. The nylon bypass filter goes on top of the deep filtering cartridge with its openings up to mate with holes in the mount. There are no small o-rings along the length of the center bolt like on the W123. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
wasnt there something about the big bolt where the distributor would mount if it was a gas car having something to do with the oil pump? I seem to recall something about this from years ago. On 4/28/2011 10:08 PM, Dieselhead wrote: MY recollection is that the OM615 and early 617 have a smaller can than the OM621. It is in essence, a fram C3 filter size. I never changed oil on a 615, and Randy should be able to confirm this. I think it is the same as the 621, where the oil filter cartridge is only the bypass filter. There is supposed to be a spring in the bottom of the can. Then the cartridge, then the main filter. The main filter is a reuseable plastic thing link 4 saucers stacked like this: ()() When you put the can on the engine, you have to push the main and cansiter filters down, hold them down with ine finger until you get the can pressed up against the housing, then screw in the bolt that holds the can. There are no stem orings like on the 123 OM616/7 and OM60x engines. I have seen 621s with NOTHING in the filter can that hold good oil pressure. I don't think the problem is there, but theyre MAY be a valve in the can that controls main vs bypass. If all the oil is diverted to the bypass, the oil pressure might drop as in this case. I would expect more like low pressure until the whole can is pressurized, then normal pressure, if all the flow went to the bypass filter. If anyone has a 615 book or a 617 book, this should be able to be confirmed or refuted. Maybe, I was trying to remember if those have the o ring deal like the later cars Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I have never heard of bearings wearing out on one of those, usually the rings would wear out first and it would just loose compression. The usual cause of bearing problems is it leaks oil and they let it run out and it causes problems, but then you get noise. This car has no noise at all, nothing. It is a mystery indeed. Oil pressure was down to below .5 bar hot, and would only peg the gauge at 80mph. That was before anyone did anything... with fresh Delvac 1300 15w40. It got worse after the dealer oil change. The hope was that the pressure limit valve was the culprit, but the bearing shavings in the filter (after only 20 miles of driving) suggested otherwise. Wouldn't the oil filter o-ring being bad or missing cause low oil pressure? Rick Who knows nothing about anything older than a 123 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3603 - Release Date: 04/28/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
No orings on the bolt. There is a copper or alum seal ring under the head of the bolt. Your basic description is accurate. The cartridge goes in the can and the nylon doodad with the mesh in it goes on top. A bit of a devil to get it all back into the car as there is not a whole lot of room. I have found it helps a lot if I put the car up on ramps before hand so that I can get far enough under to see if I appear to be lined up. It is possible to get the bolt in the wrong spot and to bend the edge of the canister if one tries to tighten it up without it being aligned properly. Cannot recall if there are any o-rings on the bolt. I don't think I have ever changed any. Randy On 28/04/2011 10:08 PM, Dieselhead wrote: MY recollection is that the OM615 and early 617 have a smaller can than the OM621. It is in essence, a fram C3 filter size. I never changed oil on a 615, and Randy should be able to confirm this. I think it is the same as the 621, where the oil filter cartridge is only the bypass filter. There is supposed to be a spring in the bottom of the can. Then the cartridge, then the main filter. The main filter is a reuseable plastic thing link 4 saucers stacked like this: ()() When you put the can on the engine, you have to push the main and cansiter filters down, hold them down with ine finger until you get the can pressed up against the housing, then screw in the bolt that holds the can. There are no stem orings like on the 123 OM616/7 and OM60x engines. I have seen 621s with NOTHING in the filter can that hold good oil pressure. I don't think the problem is there, but theyre MAY be a valve in the can that controls main vs bypass. If all the oil is diverted to the bypass, the oil pressure might drop as in this case. I would expect more like low pressure until the whole can is pressurized, then normal pressure, if all the flow went to the bypass filter. If anyone has a 615 book or a 617 book, this should be able to be confirmed or refuted. Maybe, I was trying to remember if those have the o ring deal like the later cars Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I have never heard of bearings wearing out on one of those, usually the rings would wear out first and it would just loose compression. The usual cause of bearing problems is it leaks oil and they let it run out and it causes problems, but then you get noise. This car has no noise at all, nothing. It is a mystery indeed. Oil pressure was down to below .5 bar hot, and would only peg the gauge at 80mph. That was before anyone did anything... with fresh Delvac 1300 15w40. It got worse after the dealer oil change. The hope was that the pressure limit valve was the culprit, but the bearing shavings in the filter (after only 20 miles of driving) suggested otherwise. Wouldn't the oil filter o-ring being bad or missing cause low oil pressure? Rick Who knows nothing about anything older than a 123 ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
Would it be the rod bearings or main bearings that would cause low oil pressure? On 4/27/2011 9:44 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I'd guess the dealer used 0-20 or something like that. nobody at a stealership lasts long enough to know about a 124, much less a 115. By now, even a 210 is unknown by stealer service. Kaleb, remove the bottom oil pan, remove the oil pump. Go to FLAPS and get plastiguage. Pull the #1 rod cap and plastigauge it. That will tell you all you need to know about the bearings. Assuming that is good, try a different oil pump and the correct oil. No need to remove the engine unless you need to change bearings or engines. I don't know what the new diesels call for but the gassers are probably all 5w20 or something like that. If that's what they had on hand and used, it would be way too thin for that old diesel. Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: yea thats exactly what I am going to do. I have no idea what they used when they changed the oil. On 4/27/2011 6:26 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: What did the dealer use when they changed the oil? If it got one bar hot idle pressure, I would have aimed it for Montreal and hit the throttle. If it pegs the gauge when driving, drive it until it's good and hot and see what idle pressure is. If it's less than 10psi, change the oil for 15w40 or 20w50 and see how it acts. Mitch. -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3600 - Release Date: 04/27/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
Yes! But the #1 rod will be the indicator. When bearings on an iron OM fail, #1 rod is the first/worst. Would it be the rod bearings or main bearings that would cause low oil pressure? On 4/27/2011 9:44 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I'd guess the dealer used 0-20 or something like that. nobody at a stealership lasts long enough to know about a 124, much less a 115. By now, even a 210 is unknown by stealer service. Kaleb, remove the bottom oil pan, remove the oil pump. Go to FLAPS and get plastiguage. Pull the #1 rod cap and plastigauge it. That will tell you all you need to know about the bearings. Assuming that is good, try a different oil pump and the correct oil. No need to remove the engine unless you need to change bearings or engines. I don't know what the new diesels call for but the gassers are probably all 5w20 or something like that. If that's what they had on hand and used, it would be way too thin for that old diesel. Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: yea thats exactly what I am going to do. I have no idea what they used when they changed the oil. On 4/27/2011 6:26 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: What did the dealer use when they changed the oil? If it got one bar hot idle pressure, I would have aimed it for Montreal and hit the throttle. If it pegs the gauge when driving, drive it until it's good and hot and see what idle pressure is. If it's less than 10psi, change the oil for 15w40 or 20w50 and see how it acts. Mitch. -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3600 - Release Date: 04/27/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
My 76 115 300D oil pressure drops down pretty low at idle when the car is hot too. When cold it pegs and when at speeds above idle it is fine. I run 15-40 Rotella oil. I have put about 10K miles on it and things have not changed at all to my recollection. It does become black immediately after an oil change. Fire it up and then shut it down to check the oil level and it will be as black as it was before the oil change. I think I would do an oil change and see if it makes any difference before digging much further into it. Randy On 27/04/2011 6:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well I am now the proud owner of the vehicle in question. I really dont know what to think about it yet. Poor guy has put a ton of money in this thing fixing it up. He said at first they thought it was something with the oil pump, but they took it someplace else in OKC and the cut open the oil filter and found a flake of copper or something. So the conclusion was the bearings are worn out. I am just not sure about that. The car starts right up, runs great, sounds great, no bearing noises at all. When its cold the oil pressure pegs right away. I just drove the car a couple of miles and sitting at idle it does drop to just below the low (15psi?) mark, but pegs again if you rev it up. To me it seems a little on the low side but not dangerous. Now a long highway run would probably make a difference. When I checked the oil it just seemed thin to me. Most diesels I have ever seen the oil is black black black, even after and oil change. I think they did change the oil in OKC and its slightly brown, not coal black like I am used to, and it just seems thin. I wonder if he was running the wrong weight of oil in the car? I think the first step is to change the oil again with the right oil and see what happens. Worse case if the bearings are bad I guess I can pull the engine, drop the pan and swap them out. I would not think that would be too big a deal. Or maybe I should try the oil pump first. Can that be replaced just pulling the lower oil pan? On 4/26/2011 1:29 PM, Allan Streib wrote: David Bruckmannbruckma...@transcontinental.ca writes: The techs said the engine ran great, no signs of rod knock or bearing problems. Well that's good. I was trying to reply last night, but could not because Comcast apparently thought my email was a spam bomb. My fear was that the main bearings were shot, which has always been my experience on an engine that won't maintain pressure once it warms up. But I hope this turns out to be a less significant problem. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
The dealer changed the oil and put somethingW-40, probably zeroW-40 if I had to guess. The next day, when Silver Star opened the filter, they found bearing shavings. I don't think they change it, but I do think Luc bought some Rotella. Oil pressure was down to below .5 bar hot, and would only peg the gauge at 80mph. That was before anyone did anything... with fresh Delvac 1300 15w40. It got worse after the dealer oil change. The hope was that the pressure limit valve was the culprit, but the bearing shavings in the filter (after only 20 miles of driving) suggested otherwise. That car has all new Michelins, new subframe bushings, new prop shaft bearing and guibos, fresh A/T and diff fluid, new front and rear seat pads, and a new windshield seal. All MB parts except (regrettably) the subframe bushings. And it was aligned last week at the dealer. It was a steal for the price. D. On 2011-04-28, at 10:45, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:59:03 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK Message-ID: sig.00994e0f32.4db96497.9060...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Would it be the rod bearings or main bearings that would cause low oil pressure? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
Bad news for all but Kleb I guess. I think the owner should have stored it with one of the folks who offered a spot, long enough to arrange some manner of having it hauled the rest of the way to Montreal. I know some folks who suffered an engine failure in a reasonably late model Chevy pickup truck half way between Toronto and Winnipeg a few years ago. They elected to trade it at a dealer where it happened for essentially nothing and buy a used Jetta to come the rest of the way home. They discovered that they did not like the Jetta and kept it only a very short time. They also discovered after the fact, that they could have had the truck hauled home for very little and could then have had the engine rebuilt, or replaced for a whole lot less than they ultimately had to pay to buy another reasonable truck. When people are faced with difficult decisions far from home, they often take what appears to be the easiest way out, and then regret it when they have had time to think about it. Randy On 28/04/2011 10:49 AM, David Bruckmann wrote: The dealer changed the oil and put somethingW-40, probably zeroW-40 if I had to guess. The next day, when Silver Star opened the filter, they found bearing shavings. I don't think they change it, but I do think Luc bought some Rotella. Oil pressure was down to below .5 bar hot, and would only peg the gauge at 80mph. That was before anyone did anything... with fresh Delvac 1300 15w40. It got worse after the dealer oil change. The hope was that the pressure limit valve was the culprit, but the bearing shavings in the filter (after only 20 miles of driving) suggested otherwise. That car has all new Michelins, new subframe bushings, new prop shaft bearing and guibos, fresh A/T and diff fluid, new front and rear seat pads, and a new windshield seal. All MB parts except (regrettably) the subframe bushings. And it was aligned last week at the dealer. It was a steal for the price. D. On 2011-04-28, at 10:45, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:59:03 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK Message-ID:sig.00994e0f32.4db96497.9060...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Would it be the rod bearings or main bearings that would cause low oil pressure? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
any chance the vehicle was run with BioDiesel? i've seen that stuff really thin out some less robust oils because of its solvency, even though it doesn't discolor the oil as much because there's no particulate matter... i think i'd change the oil to make sure it's got the proper stuff in it, then do an oil analysis to see what's actually showing up in it. cheers! e On 27/Apr/11 16:21, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well I am now the proud owner of the vehicle in question. I really dont know what to think about it yet. Poor guy has put a ton of money in this thing fixing it up. He said at first they thought it was something with the oil pump, but they took it someplace else in OKC and the cut open the oil filter and found a flake of copper or something. So the conclusion was the bearings are worn out. I am just not sure about that. The car starts right up, runs great, sounds great, no bearing noises at all. When its cold the oil pressure pegs right away. I just drove the car a couple of miles and sitting at idle it does drop to just below the low (15psi?) mark, but pegs again if you rev it up. To me it seems a little on the low side but not dangerous. Now a long highway run would probably make a difference. When I checked the oil it just seemed thin to me. Most diesels I have ever seen the oil is black black black, even after and oil change. I think they did change the oil in OKC and its slightly brown, not coal black like I am used to, and it just seems thin. I wonder if he was running the wrong weight of oil in the car? I think the first step is to change the oil again with the right oil and see what happens. Worse case if the bearings are bad I guess I can pull the engine, drop the pan and swap them out. I would not think that would be too big a deal. Or maybe I should try the oil pump first. Can that be replaced just pulling the lower oil pan? On 4/26/2011 1:29 PM, Allan Streib wrote: David Bruckmannbruckma...@transcontinental.ca writes: The techs said the engine ran great, no signs of rod knock or bearing problems. Well that's good. I was trying to reply last night, but could not because Comcast apparently thought my email was a spam bomb. My fear was that the main bearings were shot, which has always been my experience on an engine that won't maintain pressure once it warms up. But I hope this turns out to be a less significant problem. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
Well that's better, but when I tried 0w40 M1 in my OM617 the hot idle pressure did drop a bit. It was still within spec, but noticeably lower than with the 20w50. Allan Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com writes: Dealers run 0w40 or 5w40 in the new cars. Jaime On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I don't know what the new diesels call for but the gassers are probably all 5w20 or something like that. If that's what they had on hand and used, it would be way too thin for that old diesel. Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: yea thats exactly what I am going to do. I have no idea what they used when they changed the oil. On 4/27/2011 6:26 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: What did the dealer use when they changed the oil? If it got one bar hot idle pressure, I would have aimed it for Montreal and hit the throttle. If it pegs the gauge when driving, drive it until it's good and hot and see what idle pressure is. If it's less than 10psi, change the oil for 15w40 or 20w50 and see how it acts. Mitch. -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
I have never heard of bearings wearing out on one of those, usually the rings would wear out first and it would just loose compression. The usual cause of bearing problems is it leaks oil and they let it run out and it causes problems, but then you get noise. This car has no noise at all, nothing. It is a mystery indeed. On 4/28/2011 10:49 AM, David Bruckmann wrote: The dealer changed the oil and put somethingW-40, probably zeroW-40 if I had to guess. The next day, when Silver Star opened the filter, they found bearing shavings. I don't think they change it, but I do think Luc bought some Rotella. Oil pressure was down to below .5 bar hot, and would only peg the gauge at 80mph. That was before anyone did anything... with fresh Delvac 1300 15w40. It got worse after the dealer oil change. The hope was that the pressure limit valve was the culprit, but the bearing shavings in the filter (after only 20 miles of driving) suggested otherwise. That car has all new Michelins, new subframe bushings, new prop shaft bearing and guibos, fresh A/T and diff fluid, new front and rear seat pads, and a new windshield seal. All MB parts except (regrettably) the subframe bushings. And it was aligned last week at the dealer. It was a steal for the price. D. On 2011-04-28, at 10:45, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:59:03 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK Message-ID:sig.00994e0f32.4db96497.9060...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Would it be the rod bearings or main bearings that would cause low oil pressure? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3600 - Release Date: 04/27/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
I think he checked and it was going to be over 1k to get it home. Then there would be the expense of the engine repair if indeed it needs it. On 4/28/2011 11:09 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: Bad news for all but Kleb I guess. I think the owner should have stored it with one of the folks who offered a spot, long enough to arrange some manner of having it hauled the rest of the way to Montreal. I know some folks who suffered an engine failure in a reasonably late model Chevy pickup truck half way between Toronto and Winnipeg a few years ago. They elected to trade it at a dealer where it happened for essentially nothing and buy a used Jetta to come the rest of the way home. They discovered that they did not like the Jetta and kept it only a very short time. They also discovered after the fact, that they could have had the truck hauled home for very little and could then have had the engine rebuilt, or replaced for a whole lot less than they ultimately had to pay to buy another reasonable truck. When people are faced with difficult decisions far from home, they often take what appears to be the easiest way out, and then regret it when they have had time to think about it. Randy On 28/04/2011 10:49 AM, David Bruckmann wrote: The dealer changed the oil and put somethingW-40, probably zeroW-40 if I had to guess. The next day, when Silver Star opened the filter, they found bearing shavings. I don't think they change it, but I do think Luc bought some Rotella. Oil pressure was down to below .5 bar hot, and would only peg the gauge at 80mph. That was before anyone did anything... with fresh Delvac 1300 15w40. It got worse after the dealer oil change. The hope was that the pressure limit valve was the culprit, but the bearing shavings in the filter (after only 20 miles of driving) suggested otherwise. That car has all new Michelins, new subframe bushings, new prop shaft bearing and guibos, fresh A/T and diff fluid, new front and rear seat pads, and a new windshield seal. All MB parts except (regrettably) the subframe bushings. And it was aligned last week at the dealer. It was a steal for the price. D. On 2011-04-28, at 10:45, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:59:03 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK Message-ID:sig.00994e0f32.4db96497.9060...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Would it be the rod bearings or main bearings that would cause low oil pressure? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3600 - Release Date: 04/27/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
I have never heard of bearings wearing out on one of those, usually the rings would wear out first and it would just loose compression. The usual cause of bearing problems is it leaks oil and they let it run out and it causes problems, but then you get noise. This car has no noise at all, nothing. It is a mystery indeed. Oil pressure was down to below .5 bar hot, and would only peg the gauge at 80mph. That was before anyone did anything... with fresh Delvac 1300 15w40. It got worse after the dealer oil change. The hope was that the pressure limit valve was the culprit, but the bearing shavings in the filter (after only 20 miles of driving) suggested otherwise. Wouldn't the oil filter o-ring being bad or missing cause low oil pressure? Rick Who knows nothing about anything older than a 123 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
Maybe, I was trying to remember if those have the o ring deal like the later cars Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I have never heard of bearings wearing out on one of those, usually the rings would wear out first and it would just loose compression. The usual cause of bearing problems is it leaks oil and they let it run out and it causes problems, but then you get noise. This car has no noise at all, nothing. It is a mystery indeed. Oil pressure was down to below .5 bar hot, and would only peg the gauge at 80mph. That was before anyone did anything... with fresh Delvac 1300 15w40. It got worse after the dealer oil change. The hope was that the pressure limit valve was the culprit, but the bearing shavings in the filter (after only 20 miles of driving) suggested otherwise. Wouldn't the oil filter o-ring being bad or missing cause low oil pressure? Rick Who knows nothing about anything older than a 123 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
I don't think it does - completely different filter set-up. Isn't there a thermostatically controlled valve for the oil cooler? If it's stuck closed, that oil could get real hot = thin. On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Maybe, I was trying to remember if those have the o ring deal like the later cars Sent from my iPhone -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
I put C rated 0w-40 M1 in my old SDL for winter use. It was terrible. Oil consumption went way up. Noise went way up.My OM603 was a happy camper with I replaced enough of the 0 stuff with 15w-50 M1.After I got the oil changed back to the 15w-50 it was happy agian. I have used the C rated 10w-40 M1 without problems in the winter. Well that's better, but when I tried 0w40 M1 in my OM617 the hot idle pressure did drop a bit. It was still within spec, but noticeably lower than with the 20w50. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
MY recollection is that the OM615 and early 617 have a smaller can than the OM621. It is in essence, a fram C3 filter size. I never changed oil on a 615, and Randy should be able to confirm this. I think it is the same as the 621, where the oil filter cartridge is only the bypass filter. There is supposed to be a spring in the bottom of the can. Then the cartridge, then the main filter. The main filter is a reuseable plastic thing link 4 saucers stacked like this: ()() When you put the can on the engine, you have to push the main and cansiter filters down, hold them down with ine finger until you get the can pressed up against the housing, then screw in the bolt that holds the can. There are no stem orings like on the 123 OM616/7 and OM60x engines. I have seen 621s with NOTHING in the filter can that hold good oil pressure. I don't think the problem is there, but theyre MAY be a valve in the can that controls main vs bypass. If all the oil is diverted to the bypass, the oil pressure might drop as in this case. I would expect more like low pressure until the whole can is pressurized, then normal pressure, if all the flow went to the bypass filter. If anyone has a 615 book or a 617 book, this should be able to be confirmed or refuted. Maybe, I was trying to remember if those have the o ring deal like the later cars Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: I have never heard of bearings wearing out on one of those, usually the rings would wear out first and it would just loose compression. The usual cause of bearing problems is it leaks oil and they let it run out and it causes problems, but then you get noise. This car has no noise at all, nothing. It is a mystery indeed. Oil pressure was down to below .5 bar hot, and would only peg the gauge at 80mph. That was before anyone did anything... with fresh Delvac 1300 15w40. It got worse after the dealer oil change. The hope was that the pressure limit valve was the culprit, but the bearing shavings in the filter (after only 20 miles of driving) suggested otherwise. Wouldn't the oil filter o-ring being bad or missing cause low oil pressure? Rick Who knows nothing about anything older than a 123 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
Well I am now the proud owner of the vehicle in question. I really dont know what to think about it yet. Poor guy has put a ton of money in this thing fixing it up. He said at first they thought it was something with the oil pump, but they took it someplace else in OKC and the cut open the oil filter and found a flake of copper or something. So the conclusion was the bearings are worn out. I am just not sure about that. The car starts right up, runs great, sounds great, no bearing noises at all. When its cold the oil pressure pegs right away. I just drove the car a couple of miles and sitting at idle it does drop to just below the low (15psi?) mark, but pegs again if you rev it up. To me it seems a little on the low side but not dangerous. Now a long highway run would probably make a difference. When I checked the oil it just seemed thin to me. Most diesels I have ever seen the oil is black black black, even after and oil change. I think they did change the oil in OKC and its slightly brown, not coal black like I am used to, and it just seems thin. I wonder if he was running the wrong weight of oil in the car? I think the first step is to change the oil again with the right oil and see what happens. Worse case if the bearings are bad I guess I can pull the engine, drop the pan and swap them out. I would not think that would be too big a deal. Or maybe I should try the oil pump first. Can that be replaced just pulling the lower oil pan? On 4/26/2011 1:29 PM, Allan Streib wrote: David Bruckmannbruckma...@transcontinental.ca writes: The techs said the engine ran great, no signs of rod knock or bearing problems. Well that's good. I was trying to reply last night, but could not because Comcast apparently thought my email was a spam bomb. My fear was that the main bearings were shot, which has always been my experience on an engine that won't maintain pressure once it warms up. But I hope this turns out to be a less significant problem. Allan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What did the dealer use when they changed the oil? If it got one bar hot idle pressure, I would have aimed it for Montreal and hit the throttle. If it pegs the gauge when driving, drive it until it's good and hot and see what idle pressure is. If it's less than 10psi, change the oil for 15w40 or 20w50 and see how it acts. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The oil pump on those is easily accessible, and removable if my memory serves, once lower pan has been dropped, but it does get easier when the upper pan is removed. Walt On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Well I am now the proud owner of the vehicle in question. I really dont know what to think about it yet. Poor guy has put a ton of money in this thing fixing it up. He said at first they thought it was something with the oil pump, but they took it someplace else in OKC and the cut open the oil filter and found a flake of copper or something. So the conclusion was the bearings are worn out. I am just not sure about that. The car starts right up, runs great, sounds great, no bearing noises at all. When its cold the oil pressure pegs right away. I just drove the car a couple of miles and sitting at idle it does drop to just below the low (15psi?) mark, but pegs again if you rev it up. To me it seems a little on the low side but not dangerous. Now a long highway run would probably make a difference. When I checked the oil it just seemed thin to me. Most diesels I have ever seen the oil is black black black, even after and oil change. I think they did change the oil in OKC and its slightly brown, not coal black like I am used to, and it just seems thin. I wonder if he was running the wrong weight of oil in the car? I think the first step is to change the oil again with the right oil and see what happens. Worse case if the bearings are bad I guess I can pull the engine, drop the pan and swap them out. I would not think that would be too big a deal. Or maybe I should try the oil pump first. Can that be replaced just pulling the lower oil pan? On 4/26/2011 1:29 PM, Allan Streib wrote: David Bruckmannbruckma...@transcontinental.ca writes: The techs said the engine ran great, no signs of rod knock or bearing problems. Well that's good. I was trying to reply last night, but could not because Comcast apparently thought my email was a spam bomb. My fear was that the main bearings were shot, which has always been my experience on an engine that won't maintain pressure once it warms up. But I hope this turns out to be a less significant problem. Allan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yea thats exactly what I am going to do. I have no idea what they used when they changed the oil. On 4/27/2011 6:26 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: What did the dealer use when they changed the oil? If it got one bar hot idle pressure, I would have aimed it for Montreal and hit the throttle. If it pegs the gauge when driving, drive it until it's good and hot and see what idle pressure is. If it's less than 10psi, change the oil for 15w40 or 20w50 and see how it acts. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3600 - Release Date: 04/27/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I don't know what the new diesels call for but the gassers are probably all 5w20 or something like that. If that's what they had on hand and used, it would be way too thin for that old diesel. Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: yea thats exactly what I am going to do. I have no idea what they used when they changed the oil. On 4/27/2011 6:26 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: What did the dealer use when they changed the oil? If it got one bar hot idle pressure, I would have aimed it for Montreal and hit the throttle. If it pegs the gauge when driving, drive it until it's good and hot and see what idle pressure is. If it's less than 10psi, change the oil for 15w40 or 20w50 and see how it acts. Mitch. -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I thought he said the delaer changed the oil to a heavier grade in hopes of fixing it. Could it be Diesel in the oil? I too have never seen one that wasn't totally black. On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I don't know what the new diesels call for but the gassers are probably all 5w20 or something like that. If that's what they had on hand and used, it would be way too thin for that old diesel. Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: yea thats exactly what I am going to do. I have no idea what they used when they changed the oil. On 4/27/2011 6:26 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: What did the dealer use when they changed the oil? If it got one bar hot idle pressure, I would have aimed it for Montreal and hit the throttle. If it pegs the gauge when driving, drive it until it's good and hot and see what idle pressure is. If it's less than 10psi, change the oil for 15w40 or 20w50 and see how it acts. Mitch. -- 1983 300D -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dealers run 0w40 or 5w40 in the new cars. Jaime On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I don't know what the new diesels call for but the gassers are probably all 5w20 or something like that. If that's what they had on hand and used, it would be way too thin for that old diesel. Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: yea thats exactly what I am going to do. I have no idea what they used when they changed the oil. On 4/27/2011 6:26 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: What did the dealer use when they changed the oil? If it got one bar hot idle pressure, I would have aimed it for Montreal and hit the throttle. If it pegs the gauge when driving, drive it until it's good and hot and see what idle pressure is. If it's less than 10psi, change the oil for 15w40 or 20w50 and see how it acts. Mitch. -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I thought of that and maybe it is buy the oil level is not high like you would think if it was getting fuel in the oil Sent from my iPhone On Apr 27, 2011, at 7:46 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I thought he said the delaer changed the oil to a heavier grade in hopes of fixing it. Could it be Diesel in the oil? I too have never seen one that wasn't totally black. On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I don't know what the new diesels call for but the gassers are probably all 5w20 or something like that. If that's what they had on hand and used, it would be way too thin for that old diesel. Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: yea thats exactly what I am going to do. I have no idea what they used when they changed the oil. On 4/27/2011 6:26 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: What did the dealer use when they changed the oil? If it got one bar hot idle pressure, I would have aimed it for Montreal and hit the throttle. If it pegs the gauge when driving, drive it until it's good and hot and see what idle pressure is. If it's less than 10psi, change the oil for 15w40 or 20w50 and see how it acts. Mitch. -- 1983 300D -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
I'd guess the dealer used 0-20 or something like that. nobody at a stealership lasts long enough to know about a 124, much less a 115. By now, even a 210 is unknown by stealer service. Kaleb, remove the bottom oil pan, remove the oil pump. Go to FLAPS and get plastiguage. Pull the #1 rod cap and plastigauge it. That will tell you all you need to know about the bearings. Assuming that is good, try a different oil pump and the correct oil. No need to remove the engine unless you need to change bearings or engines. I don't know what the new diesels call for but the gassers are probably all 5w20 or something like that. If that's what they had on hand and used, it would be way too thin for that old diesel. Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: yea thats exactly what I am going to do. I have no idea what they used when they changed the oil. On 4/27/2011 6:26 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: What did the dealer use when they changed the oil? If it got one bar hot idle pressure, I would have aimed it for Montreal and hit the throttle. If it pegs the gauge when driving, drive it until it's good and hot and see what idle pressure is. If it's less than 10psi, change the oil for 15w40 or 20w50 and see how it acts. Mitch. -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
Thank you Kaleb. He's in a real pickle. All of this is happening during a MOVE back to Montreal from California (this wasn't just a car run), so there is a lot going on. And if his I-told-you-so wife doesn't kill him after this it will be a miracle. She's actually been great about it, but everyone has a limit... Will keep everyone posted. I just hope that it is the pump or the valve, and not the main bearings or something. But i guess there's no real way to know that without an overhaul. D. On 2011-04-26, at 7:28, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: Message: 6 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:43:56 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK Message-ID: sig.0097a37822.f48cd916-c735-4807-b158-beed8bcda...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii I can probably go get it and park it here. I have room Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2011, at 10:20 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Yes and no. He went to the (apparently great) dealer in OK City. They had three techs spend the afternoon doing diagnostics etc and two things happened: 1) They only charged him ONE hour labour (this, I think, is VERY generous of them and commendable), plus $47 for an oil change (changed to thicker oil in hopes it would improve a bit - it didn't) 2) They believe that he may need either the pressure limit valve or the oil pump, and suggest both for good measure. Neither is in stock and will arrive Wednesday at the earliest. They are saying 1.5 hours labour to remove the pan, replace the pump and valve, and put it all back. That seems VERY reasonable to me. The techs said the engine ran great, no signs of rod knock or bearing problems. Lots of power, no smoke, etc. And my friend noted that it burned only maybe a pint of oil in the 1600 high-speed miles they have driven. That is great for a 617. His problem is that he needs to be in Montreal by Friday at the latest. He is travelling with a friend/co-worker who is muling a BMW back as well, so they could leave the MB and come back for it later (like, in a month or so), but I doubt the dealer would entertain parking it for that long. Do any listers near OK City have a parking spot for a nice tidy W115 for a few weeks? Also, rather than a new $500 oil pump, he was wondering if anyone near OKC has a used oil pump for a 617.910 that they don't need?? D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What happens if you put a 617.95x pump in it? Klebbie might have one of those. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
If it's an NA 617.91x, you need to change #1 main bearing cap, clearance the block for the chain, drill and tap the holes for the seal retainer on the block, change to a different upper oil pan, get the double-sprocket, and possibly the crank. It's doable, just tedious to do. I'm in the process of it right now actually... Walt On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:03 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: What happens if you put a 617.95x pump in it? Klebbie might have one of those. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Walt Zarnoch wrote: If it's an NA 617.91x, you need to change #1 main bearing cap, clearance the block for the chain, drill and tap the holes for the seal retainer on the block, change to a different upper oil pan, get the double-sprocket, and possibly the crank. It's doable, just tedious to do. I'm in the process of it right now actually... Sounds like something one would not want to pay a dealership to do... Is your .91x pump usable? Can you overnight it to OKC? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It hasn't been pulled yet, I'm still in the must gather parts! phase. I wish I could help, but I'd need to pull the engine back out of the truck to remove it, and that would have to wait till the weekend. Sorry for not being able to help out this time round. :( Walt On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Walt Zarnoch wrote: If it's an NA 617.91x, you need to change #1 main bearing cap, clearance the block for the chain, drill and tap the holes for the seal retainer on the block, change to a different upper oil pan, get the double-sprocket, and possibly the crank. It's doable, just tedious to do. I'm in the process of it right now actually... Sounds like something one would not want to pay a dealership to do... Is your .91x pump usable? Can you overnight it to OKC? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca writes: The techs said the engine ran great, no signs of rod knock or bearing problems. Well that's good. I was trying to reply last night, but could not because Comcast apparently thought my email was a spam bomb. My fear was that the main bearings were shot, which has always been my experience on an engine that won't maintain pressure once it warms up. But I hope this turns out to be a less significant problem. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm only 23 miles South of the dealer in Norman. He can park it in my driveway also - not as much room as Kelb has, but just enough for one more car in a pinch. His experience doesn't sound like the same stealer I deal with in OKC (there's only one). Hope they don't double the retail price of the parts on hom, like they do to me. On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 7:54 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Thank you Kaleb. He's in a real pickle. All of this is happening during a MOVE back to Montreal from California (this wasn't just a car run), so there is a lot going on. And if his I-told-you-so wife doesn't kill him after this it will be a miracle. She's actually been great about it, but everyone has a limit... Will keep everyone posted. I just hope that it is the pump or the valve, and not the main bearings or something. But i guess there's no real way to know that without an overhaul. D. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: His experience doesn't sound like the same stealer I deal with in OKC (there's only one). Hope they don't double the retail price of the parts on hom, like they do to me. That's standard for any shop. Sounds like they're being reasonable on the labor anyway. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes and no. He went to the (apparently great) dealer in OK City. They had three techs spend the afternoon doing diagnostics etc and two things happened: 1) They only charged him ONE hour labour (this, I think, is VERY generous of them and commendable), plus $47 for an oil change (changed to thicker oil in hopes it would improve a bit - it didn't) 2) They believe that he may need either the pressure limit valve or the oil pump, and suggest both for good measure. Neither is in stock and will arrive Wednesday at the earliest. They are saying 1.5 hours labour to remove the pan, replace the pump and valve, and put it all back. That seems VERY reasonable to me. The techs said the engine ran great, no signs of rod knock or bearing problems. Lots of power, no smoke, etc. And my friend noted that it burned only maybe a pint of oil in the 1600 high-speed miles they have driven. That is great for a 617. His problem is that he needs to be in Montreal by Friday at the latest. He is travelling with a friend/co-worker who is muling a BMW back as well, so they could leave the MB and come back for it later (like, in a month or so), but I doubt the dealer would entertain parking it for that long. Do any listers near OK City have a parking spot for a nice tidy W115 for a few weeks? Also, rather than a new $500 oil pump, he was wondering if anyone near OKC has a used oil pump for a 617.910 that they don't need?? D. PS: MBCA members can still use Roadside Assistance even if the car hasn't seen a dealer in ages. On 2011-04-25, at 22:56, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: Message: 12 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:51:19 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] URGENT HELP! Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK Message-ID: BANLkTi=k405Gan26xpnm=bdi+erhpje...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just read this post - did he get help? I don't have a lift or good way to tow, but do have a jack and stands. There are also at least two other indies in OKC, but I don't trust any of them, having seen the work done on my ML by two of them. On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: He can also dial 1-800-4 mercedes. I do it all the time! Unfortunately, that's now for people with cars covered by factory warranty or who spend money at the dealership regularly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK
I can probably go get it and park it here. I have room Sent from my iPhone On Apr 25, 2011, at 10:20 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Yes and no. He went to the (apparently great) dealer in OK City. They had three techs spend the afternoon doing diagnostics etc and two things happened: 1) They only charged him ONE hour labour (this, I think, is VERY generous of them and commendable), plus $47 for an oil change (changed to thicker oil in hopes it would improve a bit - it didn't) 2) They believe that he may need either the pressure limit valve or the oil pump, and suggest both for good measure. Neither is in stock and will arrive Wednesday at the earliest. They are saying 1.5 hours labour to remove the pan, replace the pump and valve, and put it all back. That seems VERY reasonable to me. The techs said the engine ran great, no signs of rod knock or bearing problems. Lots of power, no smoke, etc. And my friend noted that it burned only maybe a pint of oil in the 1600 high-speed miles they have driven. That is great for a 617. His problem is that he needs to be in Montreal by Friday at the latest. He is travelling with a friend/co-worker who is muling a BMW back as well, so they could leave the MB and come back for it later (like, in a month or so), but I doubt the dealer would entertain parking it for that long. Do any listers near OK City have a parking spot for a nice tidy W115 for a few weeks? Also, rather than a new $500 oil pump, he was wondering if anyone near OKC has a used oil pump for a 617.910 that they don't need?? D. PS: MBCA members can still use Roadside Assistance even if the car hasn't seen a dealer in ages. On 2011-04-25, at 22:56, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: Message: 12 Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 20:51:19 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] URGENT HELP! Stranded in Oklahoma City, OK Message-ID: BANLkTi=k405Gan26xpnm=bdi+erhpje...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just read this post - did he get help? I don't have a lift or good way to tow, but do have a jack and stands. There are also at least two other indies in OKC, but I don't trust any of them, having seen the work done on my ML by two of them. On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: He can also dial 1-800-4 mercedes. I do it all the time! Unfortunately, that's now for people with cars covered by factory warranty or who spend money at the dealership regularly. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
