Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-12-02 Thread fmiser via Mercedes 
> Kaleb wrote:

>  still haven’t been able to identify what happened. All of the
> hoses are intact, the radiator still has coolant, no strangeness
> in the engine bay. I was driving it around 11 pmand wasn’t
> worried about the gauges. Never had a problem with it before. I
> noticed it having a hard time accelerating, and when i checked
> the temp, i saw It was on red. I immediatley Pulled over and the
> motor started smoking (or possibly steaming?) real bad. No
> compression now.

Sounds kinda like a stuck thermostat.  The radiator was cold, but
the engine was hot.

But I have only seen that personally on the newer (post '80) style.


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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-12-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
You were over generous.  Be thankful he turned you down.  You can find a
decent 123 that runs forward, runs in reverse, shifts through all
gears, stops, and restarts for $1500

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> I offered him more than the usual price which was $800 and he turned it
> down. I think that is more than fair with a car with a dead engine
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Dec 1, 2017, at 9:32 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Looks like a lot of extra wires on the passenger side of the engine bay?
> > Funky battery cables?  What's up with that?
> >
> > If that car is rust free, get it for the usual price and slap in a used
> > engine, motor on.
> >
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> https://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/d/1977-mercedes-benz-300d/
> 6396378175.html
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-12-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
I offered him more than the usual price which was $800 and he turned it down. I 
think that is more than fair with a car with a dead engine

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2017, at 9:32 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Looks like a lot of extra wires on the passenger side of the engine bay?
> Funky battery cables?  What's up with that?
> 
> If that car is rust free, get it for the usual price and slap in a used
> engine, motor on.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> https://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/d/1977-mercedes-benz-300d/6396378175.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-12-01 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
Looks like a lot of extra wires on the passenger side of the engine bay?
Funky battery cables?  What's up with that?

If that car is rust free, get it for the usual price and slap in a used
engine, motor on.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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>
> https://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/d/1977-mercedes-benz-300d/6396378175.html
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-12-01 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
Curt, it was (according to Doktor M.B.) stamped impellers that were
inferior, the OE were cast, and the stamped impellers wouldn't move enough
coolant so the engine would run hot or overheat.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 8:32 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> Wasn't there a plague of cheap water pumps with plastic impellers at one
> point? No vanes on the water pump would make it overheat.
>
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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-30 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
Wasn't there a plague of cheap water pumps with plastic impellers at one point? 
No vanes on the water pump would make it overheat.

I might be conflating that with VW issues...
-Curt
 

On Thursday, November 30, 2017, 6:17:37 PM EST, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 "Running dry" is a definition that suits lower hose failure. the water
pump seal leaks down enough that the cylinder walls are not covered or
cooled enough highway speed produces enough heat, quick enough, to cook
the rings and seize pistons, yet still have water in radiator

Tricky problem set not your "normal failure" but I'll take bets
it's what happened.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> But he says the radiator still has coolant so it did not run dry.
> Thermostat seize closed?
>
> RB
>
>
> On 30/11/2017 2:38 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> With an inspection mirror, look at the bottom of the water pump shaft
>> housing.
>> You will see a weep hole at the bottom of the shaft  housing, It is hidden
>> by the fan pulley so will take some "gyrations" to get in a position to
>> see
>> the weep hole.
>>
>> Look for evidence of coolant leakage. If you see that, it is where the
>> engine lost coolant without breaking a hose or tank fracture.  The weep
>> hole is there to let out coolant when the water pump shaft seal fails. It
>> bleeds off coolant while driving down the road, the coolant is dispersed
>> by
>> the fan blast, and the vapor isn't seen..
>>
>> The seal leaks when operational temp and pressure is reached it will
>> seal at idle, so until the seal is completely failed, not detected...
>>
>> I suspect this car did exactly that, then was driven with no coolant until
>> the rings got so hot they lost tension and thus compression...
>>
>> Thus "it won't start now".
>> ​I have an 83 SD with exactly that set of issues... bought for parts at
>> Kaleb pri​ce.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> overheated, ruined rings.  Maybe scored cyl.  Engine will need to be R
>>>
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>
 November 30, 2017 at 11:56 AM
 You think head gasket blew bad enough to. Cause low compression so it
 won’t start? Or likely has bottom end damage?


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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-30 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes 
Yes   Figure on needing pistons, liners and rings.  If it needs less, 
you got lucky.



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
November 30, 2017 at 5:38 PM
Would pulling it apart and replacing rings etc likely fix it or would 
it probably have gouged the cylinder walls


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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
Would pulling it apart and replacing rings etc likely fix it or would it 
probably have gouged the cylinder walls

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> On Nov 30, 2017, at 2:38 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> With an inspection mirror, look at the bottom of the water pump shaft
> housing.
> You will see a weep hole at the bottom of the shaft  housing, It is hidden
> by the fan pulley so will take some "gyrations" to get in a position to see
> the weep hole.
> 
> Look for evidence of coolant leakage. If you see that, it is where the
> engine lost coolant without breaking a hose or tank fracture.  The weep
> hole is there to let out coolant when the water pump shaft seal fails. It
> bleeds off coolant while driving down the road, the coolant is dispersed by
> the fan blast, and the vapor isn't seen..
> 
> The seal leaks when operational temp and pressure is reached it will
> seal at idle, so until the seal is completely failed, not detected...
> 
> I suspect this car did exactly that, then was driven with no coolant until
> the rings got so hot they lost tension and thus compression...
> 
> Thus "it won't start now".
>> 
> 
> ​I have an 83 SD with exactly that set of issues... bought for parts at
> Kaleb pri​ce.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> overheated, ruined rings.  Maybe scored cyl.  Engine will need to be R
>> 
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> November 30, 2017 at 11:56 AM
>>> You think head gasket blew bad enough to. Cause low compression so it
>>> won’t start? Or likely has bottom end damage?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-30 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes 
Some people look in a 123 tank and see coolant at the bottom, below the 
tops of the tubes, and conclude "it has water in it" even though the 
radiator and engine are drained.



G Mann via Mercedes 
November 30, 2017 at 5:17 PM
"Running dry" is a definition that suits lower hose failure. the water
pump seal leaks down enough that the cylinder walls are not covered or
cooled enough highway speed produces enough heat, quick enough, to 
cook

the rings and seize pistons, yet still have water in radiator

Tricky problem set not your "normal failure" but I'll take bets
it's what happened.



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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-30 Thread G Mann via Mercedes 
"Running dry" is a definition that suits lower hose failure. the water
pump seal leaks down enough that the cylinder walls are not covered or
cooled enough highway speed produces enough heat, quick enough, to cook
the rings and seize pistons, yet still have water in radiator

Tricky problem set not your "normal failure" but I'll take bets
it's what happened.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> But he says the radiator still has coolant so it did not run dry.
> Thermostat seize closed?
>
> RB
>
>
> On 30/11/2017 2:38 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> With an inspection mirror, look at the bottom of the water pump shaft
>> housing.
>> You will see a weep hole at the bottom of the shaft  housing, It is hidden
>> by the fan pulley so will take some "gyrations" to get in a position to
>> see
>> the weep hole.
>>
>> Look for evidence of coolant leakage. If you see that, it is where the
>> engine lost coolant without breaking a hose or tank fracture.  The weep
>> hole is there to let out coolant when the water pump shaft seal fails. It
>> bleeds off coolant while driving down the road, the coolant is dispersed
>> by
>> the fan blast, and the vapor isn't seen..
>>
>> The seal leaks when operational temp and pressure is reached it will
>> seal at idle, so until the seal is completely failed, not detected...
>>
>> I suspect this car did exactly that, then was driven with no coolant until
>> the rings got so hot they lost tension and thus compression...
>>
>> Thus "it won't start now".
>> ​I have an 83 SD with exactly that set of issues... bought for parts at
>> Kaleb pri​ce.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> overheated, ruined rings.  Maybe scored cyl.  Engine will need to be R
>>>
>>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>
 November 30, 2017 at 11:56 AM
 You think head gasket blew bad enough to. Cause low compression so it
 won’t start? Or likely has bottom end damage?


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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-30 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
But he says the radiator still has coolant so it did not run dry. 
Thermostat seize closed?


RB


On 30/11/2017 2:38 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

With an inspection mirror, look at the bottom of the water pump shaft
housing.
You will see a weep hole at the bottom of the shaft  housing, It is hidden
by the fan pulley so will take some "gyrations" to get in a position to see
the weep hole.

Look for evidence of coolant leakage. If you see that, it is where the
engine lost coolant without breaking a hose or tank fracture.  The weep
hole is there to let out coolant when the water pump shaft seal fails. It
bleeds off coolant while driving down the road, the coolant is dispersed by
the fan blast, and the vapor isn't seen..

The seal leaks when operational temp and pressure is reached it will
seal at idle, so until the seal is completely failed, not detected...

I suspect this car did exactly that, then was driven with no coolant until
the rings got so hot they lost tension and thus compression...

Thus "it won't start now".
​I have an 83 SD with exactly that set of issues... bought for parts at
Kaleb pri​ce.


On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


overheated, ruined rings.  Maybe scored cyl.  Engine will need to be R

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 

November 30, 2017 at 11:56 AM
You think head gasket blew bad enough to. Cause low compression so it
won’t start? Or likely has bottom end damage?



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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-30 Thread G Mann via Mercedes 
With an inspection mirror, look at the bottom of the water pump shaft
housing.
You will see a weep hole at the bottom of the shaft  housing, It is hidden
by the fan pulley so will take some "gyrations" to get in a position to see
the weep hole.

Look for evidence of coolant leakage. If you see that, it is where the
engine lost coolant without breaking a hose or tank fracture.  The weep
hole is there to let out coolant when the water pump shaft seal fails. It
bleeds off coolant while driving down the road, the coolant is dispersed by
the fan blast, and the vapor isn't seen..

The seal leaks when operational temp and pressure is reached it will
seal at idle, so until the seal is completely failed, not detected...

I suspect this car did exactly that, then was driven with no coolant until
the rings got so hot they lost tension and thus compression...

Thus "it won't start now".
>

​I have an 83 SD with exactly that set of issues... bought for parts at
Kaleb pri​ce.


On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> overheated, ruined rings.  Maybe scored cyl.  Engine will need to be R
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> November 30, 2017 at 11:56 AM
>> You think head gasket blew bad enough to. Cause low compression so it
>> won’t start? Or likely has bottom end damage?
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-30 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes 

overheated, ruined rings.  Maybe scored cyl.  Engine will need to be R


Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
November 30, 2017 at 11:56 AM
You think head gasket blew bad enough to. Cause low compression so it 
won’t start? Or likely has bottom end damage?




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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-30 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes 

Not enough information to be certain but it does not look good.

RB

On 30/11/2017 12:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

In short, nothing that's cheap or easy to fix.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


On November 30, 2017 at 12:56 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


You think head gasket blew bad  enough to. Cause low compression so it

won’t start? Or likely has bottom end damage?

Anything I could say would just be a guess, but if compression was lost in
one or two cylinders I'd lean towards blown head gasket, if lost across the
board I'd lean towards fried piston rings.

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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-30 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
In short, nothing that's cheap or easy to fix.

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On November 30, 2017 at 12:56 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > You think head gasket blew bad  enough to. Cause low compression so it
> won’t start? Or likely has bottom end damage?
>
> Anything I could say would just be a guess, but if compression was lost in
> one or two cylinders I'd lean towards blown head gasket, if lost across the
> board I'd lean towards fried piston rings.
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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-30 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes 

> On November 30, 2017 at 12:56 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> You think head gasket blew bad  enough to. Cause low compression so it won’t 
> start? Or likely has bottom end damage?

Anything I could say would just be a guess, but if compression was lost in one 
or two cylinders I'd lean towards blown head gasket, if lost across the board 
I'd lean towards fried piston rings.

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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
You think head gasket blew bad  enough to. Cause low compression so it won’t 
start? Or likely has bottom end damage?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On November 30, 2017 at 12:24 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Faulty temp. gauge?
> 
> I doubt it:
> 
> 1. felt power loss
> 2. noticed high temp reading
> 3. shut engine off
> 4. engine never wanted to start again.
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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-30 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes 

> On November 30, 2017 at 12:24 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Faulty temp. gauge?

I doubt it:

1. felt power loss
2. noticed high temp reading
3. shut engine off
4. engine never wanted to start again.

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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-30 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
Faulty temp. gauge?

On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 29/11/2017 8:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
>>   still haven’t been able to identify what happened. All of the hoses are
>> intact, the radiator still has coolant, no strangeness in the engine bay. I
>> was driving it around 11 pmand wasn’t worried about the gauges. Never had a
>> problem with it before. I noticed it having a hard time accelerating, and
>> when i checked the temp, i saw It was on red. I immediatley Pulled over and
>> the motor started smoking (or possibly steaming?) real bad. No compression
>> now.
>>
>> 1977 Mercedes-Benz 300d
>>
>> https://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/d/1977-mercedes-benz-300d/6
>> 396378175.html
>>
>>
> Head gasket blew? OR it ran low on oil?
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-30 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes 

On 29/11/2017 8:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

  still haven’t been able to identify what happened. All of the hoses are 
intact, the radiator still has coolant, no strangeness in the engine bay. I was 
driving it around 11 pmand wasn’t worried about the gauges. Never had a problem 
with it before. I noticed it having a hard time accelerating, and when i 
checked the temp, i saw It was on red. I immediatley Pulled over and the motor 
started smoking (or possibly steaming?) real bad. No compression now.

1977 Mercedes-Benz 300d

https://fayar.craigslist.org/cto/d/1977-mercedes-benz-300d/6396378175.html



Head gasket blew? OR it ran low on oil?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 

I have not, but the ad says there is no water in the oil FWIW


On 11/29/2017 9:53 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

Have you checked the oil?

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Re: [MBZ] This is what the guy says about this

2017-11-29 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
Have you checked the oil?

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