Re: Community video chats?

[Durham Goode]

Yep, I'll attend.

On 7/15/17 11:02 PM, Phillip Cohen wrote:

I'll be on PTO in the mountains then (and I think Durham is in London,
but he might still be able to attend), but I hope it goes well (and
hopefully somebody takes notes :).

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 3:25 AM, Boris Feld  wrote:

I've put a reminder in my calendar for 19pm paris time.

On Fri, 2017-07-14 at 20:00 -0400, Augie Fackler wrote:

Yes, that's right.

On Jul 14, 2017 7:40 PM, "Sean Farley"  wrote:


Augie Fackler  writes:


On Jul 13, 2017, at 04:17, Boris Feld  wrote:

On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 16:08 -0400, Augie Fackler wrote:

On Jul 11, 2017, at 15:47, Phillip Cohen 
wrote:

Great, glad there's interest.

How would Thursday at 10am PST / 1pm EST  / 6pm UTC work? This is
early enough for London to join, but not too early that California
won't. Friday mornings are less desirable (because that's Friday
evening in London) but Monday and Tuesday morning could work as
well.


I can't do 1300-1500 America/New_York on Thursdays. Pretty much any
other time in the week would work. Maybe shoot for Tuesdays?



I'm also interested, 6pm UTC (5pm or 7pm could works too) on every day
except Tuesdays would works for me with a preference for Thursday.


I've blocked off 1300-1430 America/New_York on the 19th for a test run of
this.


That's 10am-11:30am for us in San Francisco, right? If so, then I've
also put this in my calendar.


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Re: Community video chats?

[Phillip Cohen]

I'll be on PTO in the mountains then (and I think Durham is in London,
but he might still be able to attend), but I hope it goes well (and
hopefully somebody takes notes :).

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 3:25 AM, Boris Feld  wrote:
> I've put a reminder in my calendar for 19pm paris time.
>
> On Fri, 2017-07-14 at 20:00 -0400, Augie Fackler wrote:
>
> Yes, that's right.
>
> On Jul 14, 2017 7:40 PM, "Sean Farley"  wrote:
>
>
> Augie Fackler  writes:
>
>>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 04:17, Boris Feld  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 16:08 -0400, Augie Fackler wrote:
> On Jul 11, 2017, at 15:47, Phillip Cohen 
> wrote:
>
> Great, glad there's interest.
>
> How would Thursday at 10am PST / 1pm EST  / 6pm UTC work? This is
> early enough for London to join, but not too early that California
> won't. Friday mornings are less desirable (because that's Friday
> evening in London) but Monday and Tuesday morning could work as
> well.

 I can't do 1300-1500 America/New_York on Thursdays. Pretty much any
 other time in the week would work. Maybe shoot for Tuesdays?

>>>
>>> I'm also interested, 6pm UTC (5pm or 7pm could works too) on every day
>>> except Tuesdays would works for me with a preference for Thursday.
>>
>> I've blocked off 1300-1430 America/New_York on the 19th for a test run of
>> this.
>
> That's 10am-11:30am for us in San Francisco, right? If so, then I've
> also put this in my calendar.
>
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Re: Community video chats?

[Augie Fackler]

Yes, that's right.

On Jul 14, 2017 7:40 PM, "Sean Farley"  wrote:

>
> Augie Fackler  writes:
>
> >> On Jul 13, 2017, at 04:17, Boris Feld  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 16:08 -0400, Augie Fackler wrote:
>  On Jul 11, 2017, at 15:47, Phillip Cohen 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Great, glad there's interest.
> 
>  How would Thursday at 10am PST / 1pm EST  / 6pm UTC work? This is
>  early enough for London to join, but not too early that California
>  won't. Friday mornings are less desirable (because that's Friday
>  evening in London) but Monday and Tuesday morning could work as
>  well.
> >>>
> >>> I can't do 1300-1500 America/New_York on Thursdays. Pretty much any
> >>> other time in the week would work. Maybe shoot for Tuesdays?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'm also interested, 6pm UTC (5pm or 7pm could works too) on every day
> >> except Tuesdays would works for me with a preference for Thursday.
> >
> > I've blocked off 1300-1430 America/New_York on the 19th for a test run
> of this.
>
> That's 10am-11:30am for us in San Francisco, right? If so, then I've
> also put this in my calendar.
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Re: Community video chats?

[Sean Farley]

Augie Fackler  writes:

>> On Jul 13, 2017, at 04:17, Boris Feld  wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 16:08 -0400, Augie Fackler wrote:
 On Jul 11, 2017, at 15:47, Phillip Cohen 
 wrote:
 
 Great, glad there's interest.
 
 How would Thursday at 10am PST / 1pm EST  / 6pm UTC work? This is
 early enough for London to join, but not too early that California
 won't. Friday mornings are less desirable (because that's Friday
 evening in London) but Monday and Tuesday morning could work as
 well.
>>> 
>>> I can't do 1300-1500 America/New_York on Thursdays. Pretty much any
>>> other time in the week would work. Maybe shoot for Tuesdays?
>>> 
>> 
>> I'm also interested, 6pm UTC (5pm or 7pm could works too) on every day
>> except Tuesdays would works for me with a preference for Thursday.
>
> I've blocked off 1300-1430 America/New_York on the 19th for a test run of 
> this.

That's 10am-11:30am for us in San Francisco, right? If so, then I've
also put this in my calendar.


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Re: Community video chats?

[Boris Feld]

On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 16:08 -0400, Augie Fackler wrote:
> > On Jul 11, 2017, at 15:47, Phillip Cohen 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Great, glad there's interest.
> > 
> > How would Thursday at 10am PST / 1pm EST  / 6pm UTC work? This is
> > early enough for London to join, but not too early that California
> > won't. Friday mornings are less desirable (because that's Friday
> > evening in London) but Monday and Tuesday morning could work as
> > well.
> 
> I can't do 1300-1500 America/New_York on Thursdays. Pretty much any
> other time in the week would work. Maybe shoot for Tuesdays?
> 

I'm also interested, 6pm UTC (5pm or 7pm could works too) on every day
except Tuesdays would works for me with a preference for Thursday.

> > 
> > > I'm happy to try and join. I've considered having VC-available
> > > "office
> > > hours" that people could use to get help on patches, debugging,
> > > whatever. If there's interest in that I can try and pick a time.
> > 
> > +1. Individual office hours are a great idea in their own right.
> > 
> > > perhaps to start with
> > > we could try and reach out to known contributors that might miss
> > > this
> > > kind of thing on the list?
> > 
> > Sure, I'll start a wiki page so it could be sent to non-list-
> > readers.
> > 
> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Sean Farley 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Durham Goode  writes:
> > > 
> > > > On 7/11/17 7:09 AM, Augie Fackler wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 11:42:48PM +, Phil Cohen wrote:
> > > > > > Many of us enjoy the fast-paced collaboration that happens
> > > > > > during Mercurial's sprints. Alas, they only happen twice a
> > > > > > year. In the interim, many of us have used ad-hoc
> > > > > > videoconferencing to whiteboard ideas ahead of code review,
> > > > > > and this has worked pretty well. It'd be great to do even
> > > > > > more here.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > One thing that was suggested in the last group get-together 
> > > > > > was to establish a regular time for community members to
> > > > > > “hang out” on VC if they're available, and discuss any
> > > > > > technical topics or proposals that come up. The goal is for
> > > > > > this to be informal, replicating the sprint atmosphere as
> > > > > > much as possible, so there'd be no need for a strict agenda
> > > > > > (though we could create one if there's sufficient demand
> > > > > > for topics). If nobody ends up wanting to talk about
> > > > > > anything (a remote scenario, perhaps :) we can always end
> > > > > > early.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > These video chat sessions should hopefully fill a niche
> > > > > > that's poorly satisfied by IRC or e-mail today: discussing
> > > > > > topics in-depth at high bandwidth before patches hit the
> > > > > > mailing list.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Does this sound like something people would want to
> > > > > > participate in? If so, we should hash out a good time
> > > > > > (spitballing: Friday mornings? One problem is between US,
> > > > > > Europe, and Japan, you can only ever pick satisfactory
> > > > > > times for two of the three), frequency (fortnightly?), and
> > > > > > videochat platform (Augie and I have used https://urldefens
> > > > > > e.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-
> > > > > > 3A__appear.in=DwIGaQ=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw=nuarHzhP1
> > > > > > wi1T9iURRCj1A=_T5aO7D7rY_Z7ImHZYBM5Fgrqdmamr3GPqHqFthl-
> > > > > > 2A=Kafrn1OKTr8b6_4cLyRGdi8rogXB8ypSEfpqjp-LlPU=  before
> > > > > > and it seems to work well).
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm happy to try and join. I've considered having VC-
> > > > > available "office
> > > > > hours" that people could use to get help on patches,
> > > > > debugging,
> > > > > whatever. If there's interest in that I can try and pick a
> > > > > time.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Also happy to just casually hang out on VC once every couple
> > > > > of weeks.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm all for it.  I think it would help keep things unblocked
> > > > and the
> > > > sprint discussions tend to motivate people so perhaps regular
> > > > discussions would help keep the motivation flowing.
> > > > 
> > > > We have plenty of topics going around these days:
> > > > 
> > > > - phabricator
> > > > - sparse
> > > > - obsstore
> > > > - upstreaming other extensions
> > > > 
> > > > to name a few
> > > 
> > > I, too, am all for it. If for nothing else than to help convey
> > > tone /
> > > feeling which text cannot do.
> > > 
> > > I'd be up for helping to get this going as well; perhaps to start
> > > with
> > > we could try and reach out to known contributors that might miss
> > > this
> > > kind of thing on the list?
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Re: Community video chats?

[Augie Fackler]

> On Jul 11, 2017, at 15:47, Phillip Cohen  wrote:
> 
> Great, glad there's interest.
> 
> How would Thursday at 10am PST / 1pm EST  / 6pm UTC work? This is
> early enough for London to join, but not too early that California
> won't. Friday mornings are less desirable (because that's Friday
> evening in London) but Monday and Tuesday morning could work as well.

I can't do 1300-1500 America/New_York on Thursdays. Pretty much any other time 
in the week would work. Maybe shoot for Tuesdays?

> 
>> I'm happy to try and join. I've considered having VC-available "office
>> hours" that people could use to get help on patches, debugging,
>> whatever. If there's interest in that I can try and pick a time.
> 
> +1. Individual office hours are a great idea in their own right.
> 
>> perhaps to start with
>> we could try and reach out to known contributors that might miss this
>> kind of thing on the list?
> 
> Sure, I'll start a wiki page so it could be sent to non-list-readers.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Sean Farley  wrote:
>> 
>> Durham Goode  writes:
>> 
>>> On 7/11/17 7:09 AM, Augie Fackler wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 11:42:48PM +, Phil Cohen wrote:
> Many of us enjoy the fast-paced collaboration that happens during 
> Mercurial's sprints. Alas, they only happen twice a year. In the interim, 
> many of us have used ad-hoc videoconferencing to whiteboard ideas ahead 
> of code review, and this has worked pretty well. It'd be great to do even 
> more here.
> 
> One thing that was suggested in the last group get-together was to 
> establish a regular time for community members to “hang out” on VC if 
> they're available, and discuss any technical topics or proposals that 
> come up. The goal is for this to be informal, replicating the sprint 
> atmosphere as much as possible, so there'd be no need for a strict agenda 
> (though we could create one if there's sufficient demand for topics). If 
> nobody ends up wanting to talk about anything (a remote scenario, perhaps 
> :) we can always end early.
> 
> These video chat sessions should hopefully fill a niche that's poorly 
> satisfied by IRC or e-mail today: discussing topics in-depth at high 
> bandwidth before patches hit the mailing list.
> 
> Does this sound like something people would want to participate in? If 
> so, we should hash out a good time (spitballing: Friday mornings? One 
> problem is between US, Europe, and Japan, you can only ever pick 
> satisfactory times for two of the three), frequency (fortnightly?), and 
> videochat platform (Augie and I have used 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__appear.in=DwIGaQ=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw=nuarHzhP1wi1T9iURRCj1A=_T5aO7D7rY_Z7ImHZYBM5Fgrqdmamr3GPqHqFthl-2A=Kafrn1OKTr8b6_4cLyRGdi8rogXB8ypSEfpqjp-LlPU=
>   before and it seems to work well).
 
 I'm happy to try and join. I've considered having VC-available "office
 hours" that people could use to get help on patches, debugging,
 whatever. If there's interest in that I can try and pick a time.
 
 Also happy to just casually hang out on VC once every couple of weeks.
>>> 
>>> I'm all for it.  I think it would help keep things unblocked and the
>>> sprint discussions tend to motivate people so perhaps regular
>>> discussions would help keep the motivation flowing.
>>> 
>>> We have plenty of topics going around these days:
>>> 
>>> - phabricator
>>> - sparse
>>> - obsstore
>>> - upstreaming other extensions
>>> 
>>> to name a few
>> 
>> I, too, am all for it. If for nothing else than to help convey tone /
>> feeling which text cannot do.
>> 
>> I'd be up for helping to get this going as well; perhaps to start with
>> we could try and reach out to known contributors that might miss this
>> kind of thing on the list?
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Re: Community video chats?

[Phillip Cohen]

Great, glad there's interest.

How would Thursday at 10am PST / 1pm EST  / 6pm UTC work? This is
early enough for London to join, but not too early that California
won't. Friday mornings are less desirable (because that's Friday
evening in London) but Monday and Tuesday morning could work as well.

> I'm happy to try and join. I've considered having VC-available "office
> hours" that people could use to get help on patches, debugging,
> whatever. If there's interest in that I can try and pick a time.

+1. Individual office hours are a great idea in their own right.

> perhaps to start with
> we could try and reach out to known contributors that might miss this
> kind of thing on the list?

Sure, I'll start a wiki page so it could be sent to non-list-readers.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:44 AM, Sean Farley  wrote:
>
> Durham Goode  writes:
>
>> On 7/11/17 7:09 AM, Augie Fackler wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 11:42:48PM +, Phil Cohen wrote:
 Many of us enjoy the fast-paced collaboration that happens during 
 Mercurial's sprints. Alas, they only happen twice a year. In the interim, 
 many of us have used ad-hoc videoconferencing to whiteboard ideas ahead of 
 code review, and this has worked pretty well. It'd be great to do even 
 more here.

 One thing that was suggested in the last group get-together was to 
 establish a regular time for community members to “hang out” on VC if 
 they're available, and discuss any technical topics or proposals that come 
 up. The goal is for this to be informal, replicating the sprint atmosphere 
 as much as possible, so there'd be no need for a strict agenda (though we 
 could create one if there's sufficient demand for topics). If nobody ends 
 up wanting to talk about anything (a remote scenario, perhaps :) we can 
 always end early.

 These video chat sessions should hopefully fill a niche that's poorly 
 satisfied by IRC or e-mail today: discussing topics in-depth at high 
 bandwidth before patches hit the mailing list.

 Does this sound like something people would want to participate in? If so, 
 we should hash out a good time (spitballing: Friday mornings? One problem 
 is between US, Europe, and Japan, you can only ever pick satisfactory 
 times for two of the three), frequency (fortnightly?), and videochat 
 platform (Augie and I have used 
 https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__appear.in=DwIGaQ=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw=nuarHzhP1wi1T9iURRCj1A=_T5aO7D7rY_Z7ImHZYBM5Fgrqdmamr3GPqHqFthl-2A=Kafrn1OKTr8b6_4cLyRGdi8rogXB8ypSEfpqjp-LlPU=
   before and it seems to work well).
>>>
>>> I'm happy to try and join. I've considered having VC-available "office
>>> hours" that people could use to get help on patches, debugging,
>>> whatever. If there's interest in that I can try and pick a time.
>>>
>>> Also happy to just casually hang out on VC once every couple of weeks.
>>
>> I'm all for it.  I think it would help keep things unblocked and the
>> sprint discussions tend to motivate people so perhaps regular
>> discussions would help keep the motivation flowing.
>>
>> We have plenty of topics going around these days:
>>
>> - phabricator
>> - sparse
>> - obsstore
>> - upstreaming other extensions
>>
>> to name a few
>
> I, too, am all for it. If for nothing else than to help convey tone /
> feeling which text cannot do.
>
> I'd be up for helping to get this going as well; perhaps to start with
> we could try and reach out to known contributors that might miss this
> kind of thing on the list?
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Re: Community video chats?

[Sean Farley]

Durham Goode  writes:

> On 7/11/17 7:09 AM, Augie Fackler wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 11:42:48PM +, Phil Cohen wrote:
>>> Many of us enjoy the fast-paced collaboration that happens during 
>>> Mercurial's sprints. Alas, they only happen twice a year. In the interim, 
>>> many of us have used ad-hoc videoconferencing to whiteboard ideas ahead of 
>>> code review, and this has worked pretty well. It'd be great to do even more 
>>> here.
>>>
>>> One thing that was suggested in the last group get-together was to 
>>> establish a regular time for community members to “hang out” on VC if 
>>> they're available, and discuss any technical topics or proposals that come 
>>> up. The goal is for this to be informal, replicating the sprint atmosphere 
>>> as much as possible, so there'd be no need for a strict agenda (though we 
>>> could create one if there's sufficient demand for topics). If nobody ends 
>>> up wanting to talk about anything (a remote scenario, perhaps :) we can 
>>> always end early.
>>>
>>> These video chat sessions should hopefully fill a niche that's poorly 
>>> satisfied by IRC or e-mail today: discussing topics in-depth at high 
>>> bandwidth before patches hit the mailing list.
>>>
>>> Does this sound like something people would want to participate in? If so, 
>>> we should hash out a good time (spitballing: Friday mornings? One problem 
>>> is between US, Europe, and Japan, you can only ever pick satisfactory times 
>>> for two of the three), frequency (fortnightly?), and videochat platform 
>>> (Augie and I have used 
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__appear.in=DwIGaQ=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw=nuarHzhP1wi1T9iURRCj1A=_T5aO7D7rY_Z7ImHZYBM5Fgrqdmamr3GPqHqFthl-2A=Kafrn1OKTr8b6_4cLyRGdi8rogXB8ypSEfpqjp-LlPU=
>>>   before and it seems to work well).
>>
>> I'm happy to try and join. I've considered having VC-available "office
>> hours" that people could use to get help on patches, debugging,
>> whatever. If there's interest in that I can try and pick a time.
>>
>> Also happy to just casually hang out on VC once every couple of weeks.
>
> I'm all for it.  I think it would help keep things unblocked and the 
> sprint discussions tend to motivate people so perhaps regular 
> discussions would help keep the motivation flowing.
>
> We have plenty of topics going around these days:
>
> - phabricator
> - sparse
> - obsstore
> - upstreaming other extensions
>
> to name a few

I, too, am all for it. If for nothing else than to help convey tone /
feeling which text cannot do.

I'd be up for helping to get this going as well; perhaps to start with
we could try and reach out to known contributors that might miss this
kind of thing on the list?


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Re: Community video chats?

[Durham Goode]

On 7/11/17 7:09 AM, Augie Fackler wrote:

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 11:42:48PM +, Phil Cohen wrote:

Many of us enjoy the fast-paced collaboration that happens during Mercurial's 
sprints. Alas, they only happen twice a year. In the interim, many of us have 
used ad-hoc videoconferencing to whiteboard ideas ahead of code review, and 
this has worked pretty well. It'd be great to do even more here.

One thing that was suggested in the last group get-together was to establish a 
regular time for community members to “hang out” on VC if they're available, 
and discuss any technical topics or proposals that come up. The goal is for 
this to be informal, replicating the sprint atmosphere as much as possible, so 
there'd be no need for a strict agenda (though we could create one if there's 
sufficient demand for topics). If nobody ends up wanting to talk about anything 
(a remote scenario, perhaps :) we can always end early.

These video chat sessions should hopefully fill a niche that's poorly satisfied 
by IRC or e-mail today: discussing topics in-depth at high bandwidth before 
patches hit the mailing list.

Does this sound like something people would want to participate in? If so, we should hash out a good 
time (spitballing: Friday mornings? One problem is between US, Europe, and Japan, you can only ever 
pick satisfactory times for two of the three), frequency (fortnightly?), and videochat platform (Augie 
and I have used 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__appear.in=DwIGaQ=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw=nuarHzhP1wi1T9iURRCj1A=_T5aO7D7rY_Z7ImHZYBM5Fgrqdmamr3GPqHqFthl-2A=Kafrn1OKTr8b6_4cLyRGdi8rogXB8ypSEfpqjp-LlPU=
  before and it seems to work well).


I'm happy to try and join. I've considered having VC-available "office
hours" that people could use to get help on patches, debugging,
whatever. If there's interest in that I can try and pick a time.

Also happy to just casually hang out on VC once every couple of weeks.


I'm all for it.  I think it would help keep things unblocked and the 
sprint discussions tend to motivate people so perhaps regular 
discussions would help keep the motivation flowing.


We have plenty of topics going around these days:

- phabricator
- sparse
- obsstore
- upstreaming other extensions

to name a few
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Re: Community video chats?

[Yuya Nishihara]

On Mon, 10 Jul 2017 23:42:48 +, Phil Cohen wrote:
> These video chat sessions should hopefully fill a niche that's poorly 
> satisfied by IRC or e-mail today: discussing topics in-depth at high 
> bandwidth before patches hit the mailing list.
> 
> Does this sound like something people would want to participate in? If so, we 
> should hash out a good time (spitballing: Friday mornings? One problem is 
> between US, Europe, and Japan, you can only ever pick satisfactory times for 
> two of the three), frequency (fortnightly?), and videochat platform (Augie 
> and I have used http://appear.in before and it seems to work well).

Feel free to think there were no Japan. VC wouldn't work for me (and maybe
Foozy?) on weekdays.

It'll be great if someone takes notes and send them to the list.
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Re: Community video chats?

[Augie Fackler]

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 11:42:48PM +, Phil Cohen wrote:
> Many of us enjoy the fast-paced collaboration that happens during Mercurial's 
> sprints. Alas, they only happen twice a year. In the interim, many of us have 
> used ad-hoc videoconferencing to whiteboard ideas ahead of code review, and 
> this has worked pretty well. It'd be great to do even more here.
>
> One thing that was suggested in the last group get-together was to establish 
> a regular time for community members to “hang out” on VC if they're 
> available, and discuss any technical topics or proposals that come up. The 
> goal is for this to be informal, replicating the sprint atmosphere as much as 
> possible, so there'd be no need for a strict agenda (though we could create 
> one if there's sufficient demand for topics). If nobody ends up wanting to 
> talk about anything (a remote scenario, perhaps :) we can always end early.
>
> These video chat sessions should hopefully fill a niche that's poorly 
> satisfied by IRC or e-mail today: discussing topics in-depth at high 
> bandwidth before patches hit the mailing list.
>
> Does this sound like something people would want to participate in? If so, we 
> should hash out a good time (spitballing: Friday mornings? One problem is 
> between US, Europe, and Japan, you can only ever pick satisfactory times for 
> two of the three), frequency (fortnightly?), and videochat platform (Augie 
> and I have used http://appear.in before and it seems to work well).

I'm happy to try and join. I've considered having VC-available "office
hours" that people could use to get help on patches, debugging,
whatever. If there's interest in that I can try and pick a time.

Also happy to just casually hang out on VC once every couple of weeks.

>
> Phil
>
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