RE: RE: MetaCard based browser?
SCORM stands for Sharable Couseware (or Content) Object Reference Model This initiative, headed by the ADL Co-Laboratory in Orlando, has far-reaching implications in how training is provided within the military in the coming years. SCORM aims to establish guidelines to: Exploit existing network-based technologies Create platform-neutral, reusable courseware and content Promote widespread collaboration to satisfy common needs Enhance performance with emerging and next-generation learning technologies Develop common framework that drives COTS product cycle Establish a coordinated implementation plan. Before I did the research to answer your question, I thought this was an industry-wide attempt to set standards for developing computer-based training and student tracking devices. I had not realized it was "merely" a DoD initiative. Hope this helps! Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 -Original Message- From: David Bovill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Metacard based browser? What's a SCORM when you find one? I found out today that in April 2001, the Department of Defense will be issuing a directive that all future training development must be WBT and SCORM compliant. I hope MetaCard will qualify as a Web-Based Training mechanism. (It's my understanding that the SCORM part is the responsibility of the developers). I'd say the DoD is a big enough market not to want to address their needs Lori C. Fraind Delex Systems, Inc. (703) 734-8300 x310 -Original Message- From:Geoff Canyon [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:Saturday, August 05, 2000 2:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Metacard based browser? Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, on 8/4/00 6:14 PM: If your goal is to create a new standard for page description, then maybe you have a reachable (and laudible) goal, but for current HTML, I would suggest taking a step back and evaluating if you really have that kind of time available. I agree. Limited compatibility with existing pages is fine, but if this quixotic quest has any chance (let's face it--against Microsoft, a snowball has a better chance in...) then the focus has to be on downloadable stacks/scripts as "pages." I can see it now--little badges everywhere on the web saying "This site best viewed in MetaCard!" This morning, www.warnerbros.com said I had to have Netscape or Internet Explorer, _and_ Flash, in order to use their site at _all_ What a thrill it would be to have some major site do a slight twist on that, and tell me that I needed the free MetaCard viewer to access their site...sorry, I was daydreaming for a moment there... gc, who still thinks this idea could be great fun... Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Metacard based browser?
Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, on 8/4/00 6:14 PM: If your goal is to create a new standard for page description, then maybe you have a reachable (and laudible) goal, but for current HTML, I would suggest taking a step back and evaluating if you really have that kind of time available. I agree. Limited compatibility with existing pages is fine, but if this quixotic quest has any chance (let's face it--against Microsoft, a snowball has a better chance in...) then the focus has to be on downloadable stacks/scripts as "pages." I can see it now--little badges everywhere on the web saying "This site best viewed in MetaCard!" This morning, www.warnerbros.com said I had to have Netscape or Internet Explorer, _and_ Flash, in order to use their site at _all_ What a thrill it would be to have some major site do a slight twist on that, and tell me that I needed the free MetaCard viewer to access their site...sorry, I was daydreaming for a moment there... gc, who still thinks this idea could be great fun... Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Metacard based browser?
Geoff Canyon wrote: Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, on 8/4/00 6:14 PM: If your goal is to create a new standard for page description, then maybe you have a reachable (and laudible) goal, but for current HTML, I would suggest taking a step back and evaluating if you really have that kind of time available. I agree. Limited compatibility with existing pages is fine, but if this quixotic quest has any chance (let's face it--against Microsoft, a snowball has a better chance in...) then the focus has to be on downloadable stacks/scripts as "pages." Perhaps would it be reachable to apply the MC browser concept to applications service providing projects... I can see it now--little badges everywhere on the web saying "This site best viewed in MetaCard!" This morning, www.warnerbros.com said I had to have Netscape or Internet Explorer, _and_ Flash, in order to use their site at _all_ What a thrill it would be to have some major site do a slight twist on that, and tell me that I needed the free MetaCard viewer to access their site...sorry, I was daydreaming for a moment there... gc, who still thinks this idea could be great fun... Pierre Sahores WEB, DB, B2B ASP design. There are countries where people have six fingers because they don't know the metric system. Sir Jean Yanne Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Metacard based browser?
David Bovill at wrote: Is anyone working on a Metacard based browser? I'm just starting on that trail, and either I am making some basic mistakes, or it is more complex than I thought (as ever). What would be the advantages of a MetaCard-based browser over MSIE or NN? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Metacard based browser?
Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, on 8/4/00 10:12 AM: David Bovill at wrote: Is anyone working on a Metacard based browser? I'm just starting on that trail, and either I am making some basic mistakes, or it is more complex than I thought (as ever). What would be the advantages of a MetaCard-based browser over MSIE or NN? For a start: Reliable cross-platform deployment--current browsers don't truly look the same on all platforms, and some don't support all three platforms MetaCard does. Reliable cross-platform scripting--javascript and the rest don't come close to what MetaCard offers. Ditto for Java. Built-in vector object support--with other browsers, requires the Flash plugin, or equivalent. Low memory requirements--Netscape and IE, by comparison, are hogs. Not that there aren't obstacles as well... gc Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Metacard based browser?
Geoff Canyon wrote: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, on 8/4/00 10:12 AM: David Bovill at wrote: Is anyone working on a Metacard based browser? I'm just starting on that trail, and either I am making some basic mistakes, or it is more complex than I thought (as ever). What would be the advantages of a MetaCard-based browser over MSIE or NN? For a start: Reliable cross-platform deployment--current browsers don't truly look the same on all platforms, and some don't support all three platforms MetaCard does. Reliable cross-platform scripting--javascript and the rest don't come close to what MetaCard offers. Ditto for Java. Built-in vector object support--with other browsers, requires the Flash plugin, or equivalent. Low memory requirements--Netscape and IE, by comparison, are hogs. Not that there aren't obstacles as well... gc The same and in the details : - the opportunity to build real multimedia browsers able to parse graphics, video, sound or text contains without using html, nor xml; - the opportunity to built TCP/IP networked and multi-users playing consoles (K-12 schools networked games,...). I'm, for my own, very interested about this possible way; - the opportunity to come in the game while Netscape seems to become, more and more, unable to give expected replys to MSIE. Pierre Sahores WEB, DB, B2B ASP design. There are countries where people have six fingers because they don't know the metric system. Sir Jean Yanne Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Metacard based browser?
Is anyone working on a Metacard based browser? I'm just starting on that trail, and either I am making some basic mistakes, or it is more complex than I thought (as ever). My guess is, if you're looking to be able to parse the HTML from any existing Web page, you're in for a thousand and one headaches. One big problem I see for you is that with there are multiple ways to describe the same layout information. Will you be able to test for these situations and parse them accurately? Sometimes, there are dimensional settings that are included in code which have no bearing in the actual rendering of the page: how will you determine when these dimensions should and should not be used? In a nutshell, you're going to have to fake the browser idiosyncrasies that Web developers have spent years finding workarounds for. If your goal is to create a new standard for page description, then maybe you have a reachable (and laudible) goal, but for current HTML, I would suggest taking a step back and evaluating if you really have that kind of time available. FWIW, Scott Scott Rossi Tactile Media, Multimedia Design Creative Director Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.tactilemedia.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Metacard based browser?
Scott Rossi wrote: My guess is, if you're looking to be able to parse the HTML from any existing Web page, you're in for a thousand and one headaches. One word: tables. Okay, two words: nested tables. ;) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Re: Metacard based browser - what's a 302?
A French car? Scott Rossi wrote: My guess is, if you're looking to be able to parse the HTML from any existing Web page, you're in for a thousand and one headaches. One word: tables. Okay, two words: nested tables. The thought makes me shiver -:) OK, here is the first problem: trying to get url "http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/" or then url "http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.best.com/" Returns the following: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN" HTMLHEAD TITLE302 Found/TITLE /HEADBODY H1Found/H1 The document has moved A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.best.com/"here/A.P /BODY/HTML I am guessing that the built in Metacard "get url" method is not handling the 302 code??? and that i have to use sockets? But then maybe it's a lot simpler, and I'm doing something stupid. Please, can anyone save me from the RFC??? Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Re: Metacard based browser?
I was thinking of using CSSP for layouts for users with later browsers, and designing style sheets that then work and look good for both the MetaCard environment and the average web user. Template based web authoring, with added ease of dynamic CGI scripting is what I think is worth aiming for in my life time -:) Any comments? In other words you want to be able to export a stack layout to style sheets. Since I had this idea myself I think it's a good one ;-). I just never had the patience to learn yet another thing (style sheets stuff) but if you are willing to do it go for it; its probably the closest we can come to using MC for web authoring and as you mention, dynamic generating of web pages. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Re: Metacard based browser -
A French car? Scott Rossi wrote: My guess is, if you're looking to be able to parse the HTML from any existing Web page, you're in for a thousand and one headaches. One word: tables. Okay, two words: nested tables. The thought makes me shiver -:) OK, here is the first problem: trying to get url "http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/" or then url "http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.best.com/" Returns the following: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN" HTMLHEAD TITLE302 Found/TITLE /HEADBODY H1Found/H1 The document has moved A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.best.com/"here/A.P /BODY/HTML I am guessing that the built in Metacard "get url" method is not handling the 302 code??? and that i have to use sockets? But then maybe it's a lot simpler, and I'm doing something stupid. Please, can anyone save me from the RFC??? There is no escape from RFCs :-0 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Re: Re: Metacard based browser -
Please, can anyone save me from the RFC??? There is no escape from RFCs :-0 Aha, but there is. For now I can use an xThing. I've looked at the "Really Friendly C" stuff, and I have'nt got a word to say against them - just a bit long maybe. By the way where are they again? Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Metacard based browser and http headers?
On 14/7/00 5:03 pm, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone help with any experience in this area. I can't find any documentation on http headers property. I am trying to automate some activities which use CGI's to register new customers. The forms take ages to fill in, and I'd like to get Metacard to post them to make the process painless. However this is not obviously as easy as knowing the form and the url of encoding the data and I suspect that the CGI is expecting something in the http headers (perhaps the type of browser?). Is it possible to look as if you are calling the CGI from Netscape or Explorer by setting the http headers? If you use the built in post command in combination with the urlEncode functions (see the script example I just pointed you too) you should find it a simple process to do the same work as a browser does posting a form. Regards, Kevin Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Limited (formerly Cross Worlds Computing). Tel: +44 (0)131 672 2909. Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
