Re: Eraser tool
Richard Gaskin wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote: In Rev, I can enter "choose eraser tool" into the message box and it works. Since that pretty much bypasses the IDE, I'm not sure what's happening. Thanks for checking that. Anyone recall when this stopped working? Or maybe a better question would be when it was last known to have worked? I can't remember, it's been so long. The original glitch that didn't allow the selection of one of the other tools happened when Scott Raney was still the owner of the engine. I do know this glitch has been in there for ages, I just didn't care until now. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Eraser tool
J. Landman Gay wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote: Has anyone noticed that for the last several releases (at least back to 2.6,) the eraser tool can't be chosen? It works okay in Rev so it must be an IDE thing, but I can't for the life of me figure out why it doesn't work. It doesn't work when chosen from the paint tools palette, and it doesn't even work when specified from a script or the message box. I believe this is a change in the engine, and that I'd BZ'd it (maybe, it's been a while). Perhaps the Rev IDE accounts for this in script to work around it rather than dealing with it? I'm not sure how that could be. Eventually the command has to boil down to "choose eraser tool" by the time it gets sent to the engine. I vaguely recall a problem in the MC paint tool palette where you couldn't choose one of the other tools (pencil, was it?) That got fixed and it may be when the eraser broke. We should probably double-check this hypothesis using the Message Box If I put "choose eraser tool" into the message box, I get the pointer icon (but it isn't the pointer tool; just the cursor.) The effect of the cursor is zero after that -- no selection, no eraser, no nothing. In Rev, I can enter "choose eraser tool" into the message box and it works. Since that pretty much bypasses the IDE, I'm not sure what's happening. Thanks for checking that. Anyone recall when this stopped working? Or maybe a better question would be when it was last known to have worked? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Eraser tool
Richard Gaskin wrote: J. Landman Gay wrote: Has anyone noticed that for the last several releases (at least back to 2.6,) the eraser tool can't be chosen? It works okay in Rev so it must be an IDE thing, but I can't for the life of me figure out why it doesn't work. It doesn't work when chosen from the paint tools palette, and it doesn't even work when specified from a script or the message box. I believe this is a change in the engine, and that I'd BZ'd it (maybe, it's been a while). Perhaps the Rev IDE accounts for this in script to work around it rather than dealing with it? I'm not sure how that could be. Eventually the command has to boil down to "choose eraser tool" by the time it gets sent to the engine. I vaguely recall a problem in the MC paint tool palette where you couldn't choose one of the other tools (pencil, was it?) That got fixed and it may be when the eraser broke. We should probably double-check this hypothesis using the Message Box If I put "choose eraser tool" into the message box, I get the pointer icon (but it isn't the pointer tool; just the cursor.) The effect of the cursor is zero after that -- no selection, no eraser, no nothing. In Rev, I can enter "choose eraser tool" into the message box and it works. Since that pretty much bypasses the IDE, I'm not sure what's happening. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Speed differences between MC and Rev
Wilhelm Sanke wrote: I resend my post of last Friday, hoping the server is up again: On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 Richard Gaskin wrote: I notice no difference in the execution speed. So far this is consistent with all data except Wilhelm's. Neither logically nor empirically have we yet found a way that simply adding a library can affect execution speed. We'll have to wait for Wilhelm to provide more data. (snip) If instead there does seem to be some difference in the way standalones are made (though after building my own standalone maker I can honestly report that I can't imagine what that could be) it's also worthwhile determining where the performance goes. Ideally Wilhelm will be able to come up with a stack that presents an isolated recipe for this problem. It's my understanding that at the moment the tests are being run within a very complex collection of scripts, making it difficult to produce a generalized recipe for others to run. Without such an isolated example of this reported issue, I can't think of any way it could be reasonably addressed further beyond what's already be done. If he's able to deliver an isolated example I'm sure RunRev will jump at the chance to optimize based on it reveals. -- Richard Gaskin Back again to resume the discussion. I have produced this isolated example. Apart from the one-line script of the "reset" button, it contains only a 13-line script of the test button "duplicate colors". Only the MC cursors stack is included as a substack, otherwise nothing is included, not even an "answer dialog". The performance differences are as reported about 600 milliseconds between MC and Rev on a Windows 2 GHz machine, tested with Metacard and Rev using the same 2.7.3 engine. No differences come up for the stacks compared with standalones. A test with 2.7.4 today shows an overall performance improvement for both IDEs of about 200 milliseconds, but the speed difference between MC and Rev of now about 500 milliseconds remains. Stack and standalone with MC show an identical performance - around 1550 and always below 1600 milliseconds. For Rev - 1935 to 2083 milliseconds for the standalone - there is an additional difference between standalone and stack of 100 milliseconds, the stack running in the IDE with a peak of 2165 milliseconds being the slower one. You can download the test stack from here (2 MB because of the embedded picture and the compressed imagedata to enable reset): or type go URL "http:/www.sanke.org/Software/mc-rev_speed_test.rev" in your message box. Good work, Wilhelm. Confirmed in the IDEs -- 5740ms/avg in MC, 6830ms/avg in Rev (I have a 1GHz PB G4). I haven't built standalones, though, which would be good to test. Given this speed loss I'm confident the folks at RunRev will take a keen interest to determine what's eating performance. Offhand I can't imagine how the execution of a single handler with no breaks, pauses, or sends is in any way affected by any outside script, but it does indeed appear to be the case. Have you BZ'd this? It would be good to include that file as an attachment to the report. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Eraser tool
J. Landman Gay wrote: Has anyone noticed that for the last several releases (at least back to 2.6,) the eraser tool can't be chosen? It works okay in Rev so it must be an IDE thing, but I can't for the life of me figure out why it doesn't work. It doesn't work when chosen from the paint tools palette, and it doesn't even work when specified from a script or the message box. I believe this is a change in the engine, and that I'd BZ'd it (maybe, it's been a while). Perhaps the Rev IDE accounts for this in script to work around it rather than dealing with it? We should probably double-check this hypothesis using the Message Box -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Eraser tool
Has anyone noticed that for the last several releases (at least back to 2.6,) the eraser tool can't be chosen? It works okay in Rev so it must be an IDE thing, but I can't for the life of me figure out why it doesn't work. It doesn't work when chosen from the paint tools palette, and it doesn't even work when specified from a script or the message box. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Can't assign App and Doc icons building stand alone
Hi all, Please don't apologize, Klaus. I just downloaded the latest and it works fine now. Your work is greatly appreciated! thank you very much for your kind words. But it's too late, my servant just put down the cat-o'-nine-tails :-D Ray Horsley Developer, LinkIt! Software Best Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Can't assign App and Doc icons building stand alone
Please don't apologize, Klaus. I just downloaded the latest and it works fine now. Your work is greatly appreciated! Ray Horsley Developer, LinkIt! Software On Oct 10, 2006, at 5:49 AM, Klaus Major wrote: HI all, oh my god, how embarrassing :-( Apologies to all for the inconveniences! I corrected this mistake and will upload the fixed IDE to the Yahoo group immediately. Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Can't assign App and Doc icons building stand alone
Klaus Major wrote: > HI all, > > oh my god, how embarrassing :-( Don't beat yourself up about it, Klaus, it could have happened to any of us. There are so many parts to the IDE that I am always surprised when something doesn't go wrong, and you aren't the first one to have to re-upload. ;) Really, it's okay. Not embarrassing at all. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Can't assign App and Doc icons building stand alone
On 10/10/06 5:14 AM, "Klaus Major" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > the new and fixed version of the IDE is now online. Oh, don't forget to download and copy in the latest Variable Watcher into the new IDE when you download it, otherwise you won't get the latest fixes to the VW. Thanks! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Can't assign App and Doc icons building stand alone
On 10/10/06 5:14 AM, "Klaus Major" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > the new and fixed version of the IDE is now online. Thanks, Klaus! I also did a bit of cleanup on the site, so at the root level of Files is the only IDE you should download (2.7.1), all other IDEs are in the Archives folder. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Can't assign App and Doc icons building stand alone
Hi all, the new and fixed version of the IDE is now online. Again apologies to all for the inconveniences. Something VERY strange is happening here on my computers!? I copied the script of "Mark's UB_standalone_builder.mc" to the MC standalone builder on my Mac, saved the stack and copied the stack "mctools" to my PC. Did not work on my PC, I got the same error again So I copied the script of "Mark's UB_standalone_builder.mc" to the MC standalone builder ON MY PC (same stack and steps as on my mac!), saved the stack and THEN it worked? Hmmm... Anyway, it is now tested on my PC and works fine now as it did in earlier days :-) Best from germany Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Can't assign App and Doc icons building stand alone
HI all, oh my god, how embarrassing :-( Apologies to all for the inconveniences! I corrected this mistake and will upload the fixed IDE to the Yahoo group immediately. Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.major-k.de ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
