Re: setting itemdel

[Michael Kann]

Eva, I meant to type "quick", but "quirky" would probably best describe my 
programming suggestions. Don't hesitate to ask if you need some fresh eyes to 
help out. 

--- On Sat, 5/7/11, Eva Isotalo  wrote:

From: Eva Isotalo 
Subject: Re: setting itemdel
To: "Discussions on Metacard" 
Date: Saturday, May 7, 2011, 10:01 AM



  



  Thank you guys!

  I had placed the itemdel 'tab' in quotes, that's why it didn't
  work. Sigh...

  Works fine now. 

  And thanks for the great "quirky" suggestion. :)

  

  Eva

  



On 2011-05-07 16:44, Michael Kann wrote:

  

  
Eva,

  

  I just realized you posted on the metacard list. You might
  want to also check out the 

  LiveCode list also. It is the more recent version of the
  metacard list.

  

  Here it is:

  

  How to use LiveCode" 

  

  --- On Sat, 5/7/11, Mark Schonewille 

  wrote:

  

From: Mark Schonewille


Subject: Re: setting itemdel

To: "Discussions on Metacard"


Date: Saturday, May 7, 2011, 9:06 AM



Hi Eva,

  

  I'm not sure what you are having problems with, but if
  you want to get the items of a line, you need to set
  the itemdel to tab.

  

  set the itemDel to tab

  put item 2 of line 3 of myData into fld "Product"

  

  --

  Best regards,

  

  Mark Schonewille

  

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  Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer

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  On 7 mei 2011, at 16:02, Eva Isotalo wrote:

  

  > MC 2.4.3

  > 

  > How do I "catch" the different parts of a file
  that has columns like this?:

  > 1     Rose Floral Wax: (Size: 25g; )     FW07-25
      £3.65     £3.65

  > 1     Jasmine Grandaflorum Floral Wax (Size: 25g;
  )     FW03-25     £2.95     £2.95

  > 1     Mimosa Floral Wax (Size: 25g; )     FW05-25
      £2.95     £2.95

  > 

  > 

  > I have no problems reading it but I'm trying to
  make an app that will read invoices in to a inventory
  program where each product will get it's own card.

  > 

  > Eva

  

  

  

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Re: setting itemdel

[Michael Kann]

Eva,

I just realized you posted on the metacard list. You might want to also check 
out the 
LiveCode list also. It is the more recent version of the metacard list.

Here it is:

How to use LiveCode" 

--- On Sat, 5/7/11, Mark Schonewille  wrote:

From: Mark Schonewille 
Subject: Re: setting itemdel
To: "Discussions on Metacard" 
Date: Saturday, May 7, 2011, 9:06 AM

Hi Eva,

I'm not sure what you are having problems with, but if you want to get the 
items of a line, you need to set the itemdel to tab.

set the itemDel to tab
put item 2 of line 3 of myData into fld "Product"

--
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On 7 mei 2011, at 16:02, Eva Isotalo wrote:

> MC 2.4.3
> 
> How do I "catch" the different parts of a file that has columns like this?:
> 1     Rose Floral Wax: (Size: 25g; )     FW07-25     £3.65     £3.65
> 1     Jasmine Grandaflorum Floral Wax (Size: 25g; )     FW03-25     £2.95     
> £2.95
> 1     Mimosa Floral Wax (Size: 25g; )     FW05-25     £2.95     £2.95
> 
> 
> I have no problems reading it but I'm trying to make an app that will read 
> invoices in to a inventory program where each product will get it's own card.
> 
> Eva



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Re: setting itemdel

[Michael Kann]

Eva and Mark,

Here's a quirk way to group the products:

set the itemDel to tab
put fld 1 into v  --- list of invoices
sort lines of v by item 2 of each
put v into fld 2 -- products will be grouped together



--- On Sat, 5/7/11, Mark Schonewille  wrote:

From: Mark Schonewille 
Subject: Re: setting itemdel
To: "Discussions on Metacard" 
Date: Saturday, May 7, 2011, 9:06 AM

Hi Eva,

I'm not sure what you are having problems with, but if you want to get the 
items of a line, you need to set the itemdel to tab.

set the itemDel to tab
put item 2 of line 3 of myData into fld "Product"

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

New: Download the Installer Maker Plugin 1.6 for LiveCode here http://qery.us/ce

On 7 mei 2011, at 16:02, Eva Isotalo wrote:

> MC 2.4.3
> 
> How do I "catch" the different parts of a file that has columns like this?:
> 1     Rose Floral Wax: (Size: 25g; )     FW07-25     £3.65     £3.65
> 1     Jasmine Grandaflorum Floral Wax (Size: 25g; )     FW03-25     £2.95     
> £2.95
> 1     Mimosa Floral Wax (Size: 25g; )     FW05-25     £2.95     £2.95
> 
> 
> I have no problems reading it but I'm trying to make an app that will read 
> invoices in to a inventory program where each product will get it's own card.
> 
> Eva



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Re: cgi globals

[Michael Kann]

These are the variables that I get from my ISP's
server.

Apache Environment

Variable Name is in CAPS
 
DOCUMENT_ROOT /home/mikekann/public_html/eatwhat/ 
HTTP_ACCEPT application/vnd.ms-powerpoint,
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/msword,
image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
*/* 
HTTP_ACCEPT_ENCODING gzip, deflate 
HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE en-us 
HTTP_CONNECTION Keep-Alive 
HTTP_HOST www.eatwhatieat.com 
HTTP_USER_AGENT Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0;
Windows 98; DigExt; YComp 5.0.0.0) 
PATH /usr/local/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin 
REMOTE_ADDR xx
REMOTE_PORT 1207 
SCRIPT_FILENAME
/home/mikekann/public_html/eatwhat/info.php 
SERVER_ADDR x
SERVER_ADMIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
SERVER_NAME eatwhatieat.com 
SERVER_PORT 80 
SERVER_SIGNATURE Apache/1.3.23 Server at
eatwhatieat.com Port 80
 
SERVER_SOFTWARE Apache/1.3.23 (Unix) PHP/4.1.1 
UNIQUE_ID 
GATEWAY_INTERFACE CGI/1.1 
SERVER_PROTOCOL HTTP/1.1 
REQUEST_METHOD GET 
QUERY_STRING   
REQUEST_URI /info.php 
SCRIPT_NAME /info.php 

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> On 2/20/03 5:00 AM, jbv wrote:
> > 
> > Where can I find a complete list of all globals
> > available via a cgi script (such as
> $REQUEST_METHOD or
> > $CONTENT_LENGTH) ?
> 
> The easiest way is to run the "echo.mt" script,
> which you can find at 
> the MC ftp site. This is a cgi test script so you
> will need to have your 
> server set up for it. The script gets all the
> available globals and then 
> returns the list to your browser.
> 
> I have found that the available globals can vary
> depending on the 
> server. I can't get some globals now that I used to
> have access to with 
> a different ISP.
> 
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Re: cgi globals

[Michael Kann]

http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/cgi/env.html

-- these are the most important ones for Apache


--- "J. Landman Gay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2/20/03 5:00 AM, jbv wrote:
> > 
> > Where can I find a complete list of all globals
> > available via a cgi script (such as
> $REQUEST_METHOD or
> > $CONTENT_LENGTH) ?
> 
> The easiest way is to run the "echo.mt" script,
> which you can find at 
> the MC ftp site. This is a cgi test script so you
> will need to have your 
> server set up for it. The script gets all the
> available globals and then 
> returns the list to your browser.
> 
> I have found that the available globals can vary
> depending on the 
> server. I can't get some globals now that I used to
> have access to with 
> a different ISP.

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Re: CMMS Software

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What is a CMMS?

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> Metacard?
> 
> TMA is the best, (www.tmasystems.com) and the demo
> is fantastic... but 
> they want $5,000.00 (!) and while the complexity of
> the need here is 
> comparable to that of any large institution (like a
> 10 acre 
> university), we aren't that big in terms of size or
> budgets.
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Re: MC front end to PostgreSQL

[Michael Kann]

As usual, Pierre comes through. Merci. The last
greater than sign got into the URL by mistake. Try
this:

ftp://crdp.intereduc.net/MCSQLABOOK/

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> 
> 
> This issue provide a replacement version of the
> stack "addressbook.mc",
> including a new "delete card" handler, previously
> bugged.
> 
> -- 
> Cordialement, Pierre Sahores
> 
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Re: Virtual reality lens

[Michael Kann]

Interesting concept. Would it work with a digital
camera?

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> 360° virtual 
> imagery then please ignore my post.  I'm selling a
> 360° lens for 
> standard 35mm cameras which has served me very well
> in the past for 
> creating QuickTime VR's and panorama's.
> 
> All the details are here:
> http://www.marelina.com/behere/

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Re: Thank you all...

[Michael Kann]

Send us all World Series tickets and we'll call it
even.

--- Shari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You guys really made my evening yesterday, when just
> before quitting 
> for the day, I realized that the inability to edit
> scripts would blow 
> my entire strategy for this program.
> 
> I would have shut down and been miserable all night
> long, and 
> probably today and tomorrow and every day it took to
> rework the 
> entire program, knowing that every day added to the
> development cost 
> made it less likely I'd ever recoup my time spent.
> 
> But thanks to you guys jumping immediately into help
> mode, I now have 
> ideas to try out that will hopefully prevent a major
> upheaval.  I'm 
> hoping to avoid dissecting the entire program.  I
> was intending to 
> have this out the door today to my testers, and be
> working on part 2 
> of the plan tomorrow.
> 
> I might still make it, thanks to you wondrous
> creatures :-)
> 
> Thank You!
> 
> Shari C

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Re: Getting Text to Clipboard

[Michael Kann]

copy word 1 to 5 of fld "aFld"
will put those 5 words onto the clipboard

--- Ray Horsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Could anybody help me with a better way to get text
> onto the clipboard?  The
> way I'm currently doing this is to put the text into
> a hidden field, select
> it, and then 'doMenu Copy'.  This works, but it
> seems to throw Metacard into
> an unstable situation and it ends up 'unexpectedly
> quitting' soon afterward.
> 
> Sure appreciate any suggestions.

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Re: More on recursion...

[Michael Kann]

Sjoerd, thank you for the examples. Mike

--- Sjoerd Op 't Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Kann wrote/ schreef:
> 
> > 
> > Recursion is one of those items like the ASCII
> chart
> > that for some reason must be in all programming
> books.
> > For what most of us are doing here it really is
> > unnecessary and can cause problems.
> I disagree; what is a more elegant handler to
> calculate 7!, faculty(7)?
> 
>   function faculty v
> if v is 1 then return 1
> else return v*faculty(v-1)
>   end faculty
> 
> Or to make a list of all files (also in subfolders)
> in a specific folder?
> 
>   function deepFiles startDir
> set the cursor to busy
> if it is "Cancel" then exit to top
> set the directory to startDir
> local tFiles
> repeat for each line tFile in the files
>   put startDir & "/" & tFile into line (the
> number of lines in tFiles
> + 1) of tFiles
> end repeat
> repeat for each line tDir in line 2 to -1 of the
> directories
>   put deepFiles(startDir & "/" & tDir) into line
> (the number of lines in
> tFiles + 1) of tFiles
>   set the directory to startDir
> end repeat
> return tFiles
>   end deepFiles
> 
> Or to repeat a string (just elegant):
> 
>   function repeatstring rChunk,rTimes
> if rTimes is 1 then return rChunk
> else return rChunk &
> repeatString(rChunk,rTImes-1)
>   end repeatstring
> 
> I think, if one really thinks structured, it's
> possible to make things much
> simpler with recurred functions.
> 
> > 
> > Good luck, Mike
> Regards, / Groeten,
> Sjoerd
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Re: More on recursion...

[Michael Kann]

--- Shari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Also, does anyone know how Metacard keeps track of
recursion? Specifically?
 
If a handler calls another which calls another which
calls the first, is this considered a handler calling
itself?

--- Mike replies:

Shari, I'd recommend that you rewrite your code to
avoid recursion completely. In the long run you will
save yourself much time and effort. As for your
example, let's assume that btns A,B, and C hold
scripts that call each other in the manner that you
describe (I'm just using btns instead of handlers). A
better way is to have another btn D that controls the
three btns. In btn D put the script:

on mouseUp
  repeat 100 -- as many times as you need
  send mouseUp to btn "A"
  send mouseUp to btn "B"
  send mouseUp to btn "C"
  end repeat
end mouseUp

In your other posts you mentioned something like
"handlers calling each other." This should also be
avoided. 

Recursion is one of those items like the ASCII chart
that for some reason must be in all programming books.
For what most of us are doing here it really is
unnecessary and can cause problems.

Don't take this post as being at all critical of your
programming. If you want any more help just email me
at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

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Re: Filter help

[Michael Kann]

-- The NOT filter

on mouseUp
  put fld "aFld" into filesList
  replace ".txt" with "!"&"txt" in filesList
  filter filesList with "*.*"
  replace "!" with "." in filesList
  put filesList into fld "bFld"
end mouseUp


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Okay, so one day I'll track down a list of Bourne
> Shell options as mentioned 
> in the Help entry on Filters, but just for now...
> 
> [1] Using AND
> How do we filter to extract both *.gif AND *.jpg
> from a list of file names?
> 
> [2] Using NOT
> And how do we do the reverse, such as 'All files
> except *.txt' ?
> 
> Any pointers would be truly appreciated!
> 
> /H
> 


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Re: Filter help

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-- not using Filter, but does the same thing --

on mouseUp
  put fld "aFld" into filesList
  repeat for each line kLine in filesList
if ".txt" is not in kLine then
  put return&kLine after kHolder
end if
  end repeat
  put kHolder into fld "bFld"
end mouseUp


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> Shell options as mentioned 
> in the Help entry on Filters, but just for now...
> 
> [1] Using AND
> How do we filter to extract both *.gif AND *.jpg
> from a list of file names?
> 
> [2] Using NOT
> And how do we do the reverse, such as 'All files
> except *.txt' ?

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Re: Filter help

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-- For simulating a logical AND --

on mouseUp
  put fld "aFld" into filesList
  replace ".jpg" with ".jpg"&"!" in filesList
  replace ".gif" with ".gif"&"!" in filesList
  filter filesList with "*!*"
  replace "!" with empty in filesList
  put filesList into fld "bFld"
end mouseUp


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Okay, so one day I'll track down a list of Bourne
> Shell options as mentioned 
> in the Help entry on Filters, but just for now...
> 
> [1] Using AND
> How do we filter to extract both *.gif AND *.jpg
> from a list of file names?
> 
> [2] Using NOT
> And how do we do the reverse, such as 'All files
> except *.txt' ?

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Re: OT But Related - Get Source of a URL

[Michael Kann]

Mike asked: Which version of IE Mac are you using? Do
you also want it to work on Windows, or just on the
Mac?

Scott Rossi asked:
> > 
> > In MetaCard we have the ability to put a url into
> a container, such as:
> > 
> >   put url "http://www.mypage.com/index.html"; into
> fld 1
> > 
> > ...and we see the source of the file in field 1.
> > 
> > Anyone know of an equivalent way to do this using
> Javascript?
> > 
> > I've already dug up several references similar to
> the following but
> > unfortunately they seem to fail in IE Mac:
> > 
> >   
> >   function viewsource() {
> > window.location = "view-source:" +
> window.location;
> >   }
> >   
> > 
> > Just wondering if anyone knows of some script that
> would allow me to read
> > the source code of HTML page into a variable,
> instead of physically
> > displaying the page in the browser.
> > 
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> 
Pierre asked:
> 
> What do you want to do with the resulting variable ?
> Display it back to
> the webbroswer trough an mt/cgi-script (javascript
> can't do this by it
> self without interacting with the server-side stuff)
> ? 


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Re: total ram

[Michael Kann]

Richard Gaskin asked: Is there a way to query the
total RAM installed from within MC?

On Win98 you can use

on mouseUp
set hideconsolewindows to true
put shell("mem") into fld 1
-- parse out what you need
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Re: worth a read

[Michael Kann]

Thank you andu for bringing articles like these to our
attention.

--- andu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not that it's something new but a good reminder I
> found on /.
> 
>
http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/mann0702.asp
> 
> Regards, Andu Novac


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Re: the systemversion

[Michael Kann]

the systemversion = Windows 4.10 on my Win98

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> Hi all,
> 
> can someone please supply what "the systemversion"
> returns on
> Win95 and Win98 systems ?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
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Re: off topic: Php

[Michael Kann]

www.zend.com is a good place to start

--- Leston Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm using PHP for a certain project. Being a PHP
> newbie, I'm looking for 
> resources to help me. Does anyone know of a mailing
> list (like this great 
> MetaCard list) for PHP developers?
> 
> TIA,
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Re: Launch a URL

[Michael Kann]

http://www.theurl.com?&A=1&B=2&C=3

-- The ampersands worked for me. I did notice that the
"&" after the "?" should not be there. "&"s only
separate the variables.


--- Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Recently, "Klaus Major"  wrote:
> 
> >>   set the hideConsoleWindows to true
> >>   put "http://www.metacard.com"; into tURL
> >>   get shell("start" && tURL)
> > 
> > wonderful!!!
> >
> > Run very fine on Win98.
> 
> Now we need to figure out how to pass parameters
> along with the URL:
> 
>   http://www.theurl.com?&A=1&B=2&C=3
> 
> The start command doesn't appear to like ampersands
> and I can't figure out
> how to include them without converting them to url
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Re: MySQL form shell()

[Michael Kann]

On Windows98 I'm using the setup:
Metacard/Xitami/PHP4/MySQL. If you are interested in a
standalone solution (not on a network or over the
Internet) an easy way to do it is to put your SQL
statements in a file c:/windows/desktop/goodSQL.sql
then type \. c:/windows/desktop/goodSQL.sql at the
MySQL prompt. The SQL statements in the file will be
performed. 

For the observant: Yes I'm on Windows, and yes those
are forward slashes in the absolute path. That's the
way it is done. 

Send me an email if you want any more info. Mike
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--- David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Do you have any scripts for connecting (+ running
> SQL) to a MySQL database?

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Re: database and MC

[Michael Kann]

Is the server going to be a Mac or PC? Do you plan to
access the database through a web page or through a MC
stack?

--- Leston Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm working on a database application that requires
> (1) cross platform Win/Mac (that's why I'm using
> MC!)
> (2) runs over a network
> 
> Item 2 causes some issues for a database
> application.
> Specifically, the issues of posting changes to the
> data
> when multiple users are working with it (things that
> a
> typical DBMS handles).
> 
> Does anyone know a cross-platform, MC-friendly
> solution?
> I'm thinking there might be some 3rd party products
> that
> could be used. Valentina? (I vaguely recall some
> discussion
> about it on this list, not quite sure of its
> capabilities or MC
> friendliness)
> 
> Thanks a bunch.
> 
> --Leston

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Re: database and MC

[Michael Kann]

How many megabytes of data and how often will it be
accessed?

--- Leston Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm working on a database application that requires
> (1) cross platform Win/Mac (that's why I'm using
> MC!)
> (2) runs over a network
> 
> Item 2 causes some issues for a database
> application.
> Specifically, the issues of posting changes to the
> data
> when multiple users are working with it (things that
> a
> typical DBMS handles).
> 
> Does anyone know a cross-platform, MC-friendly
> solution?
> I'm thinking there might be some 3rd party products
> that
> could be used. Valentina? (I vaguely recall some
> discussion
> about it on this list, not quite sure of its
> capabilities or MC
> friendliness)
> 
> Thanks a bunch.
> 
> --Leston

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Re: Interarchy for PC?

[Michael Kann]

HTTPtracer is a very good product. Find it at
http://www.concentric.net/~Sstmail/

The only tricky part to remember is that when your
browser is set to run through the program, the program
must be running or your browser won't be able to
connect to the outside world. In other words, make
sure you reset your browser when you finish. Michael
Kann, down the road in Victoria.

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> Hi,
> 
> I have a user in England for one of my MC products
> who is using a 
> radio lan and a PC to connect to the internet. The
> first call of the 
> MC program is to download a web page into memory.
> This call fails, 
> but the user can view the same page using a web
> browser.
> 
> Is there a tool like Interarchy for the PC that I
> could have this 
> person use to monitor the difference between the
> browser's request 
> and MC's request?
> 
> Or, does anyone know how a "radio lan" might be
> affecting this?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -ml
> 
> -- 
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Dr. Dobb's Journal

[Michael Kann]

The September 2001 issue of Dr. Dobb's Journal
contains some commentary about Metacard, mostly in
relationship to Runtime Revolution. It's not worth
buying the magazine just for those few paragraphs, but
if you happen to be in Barnes and Noble check out page 104.

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PERL v. Metacard

[Michael Kann]

This script formats long numbers with commas. 1234567
turns into 1,234,567

on mouseUp
  repeat while kv is not empty -- kv holds "1234567"
put comma&char -3 to -1 of kv before withCommasV
delete char -3 to -1 of kv
  end repeat
  delete char 1 of withCommasV
end mouseUp

Now go to 

http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/06/commify.html

and see how much effort the perl gurus put into it.
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Re: New language syntax (Was: New Image Features)

[Michael Kann]

My recommendation: let Scott name a function or
property anything he wants; then describe that
function or property with a working example. That way
we can all see for ourselves what is happening. With
that knowledge, we can all translate the terms into
our own personal vernacular.

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Re: regexlite...

[Michael Kann]

Dave, you're correct, what we need is a single
character item delimiter. He goes, second time around.

David Cragg gave us this example:


This is example 1.
This is example 2.


If you want to get the text of the first , I
don't think you can use matchText alone

--- My new and (and hopefully improved) suggestion:

put numToChar(255) into km
-- km is marker variable that doesn't appear in text
replace "" with km in CraggVariable
replace "" with km in CraggVariable
set itemDelimiter to km
put item 2 of CraggVariable into fld 1
-

But even if we had multi-character delimiters, there
would be problems with tags that contain attributes.

This is example
1.

-- I'll give others a chance on this one --

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Re: regexlite...

[Michael Kann]

--- David Cragg gave us this example:


This is example 1.
This is example 2.


If you want to get the text of the first , I
don't think you can use matchText alone

--- My suggestion:

put "" into km   -- km is marker variable
set itemDelimiter to km
replace "" with km in CraggVariable
put item 2 of CraggVariable into fld 1

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Re: Reading raw data

[Michael Kann]

--- Pierre a écrit:

remember what Art Tatum can play for us with
just one hand to imagine what Scott is building for us
with two

-- there is an anecdote about Tatum that might apply.
He's sitting in a bar when the piano player starts
playing one of Tatum's tunes, imitating him. A friend
of Tatum's walks over and says, "listen, he's playing
that song just like you do, can't tell the difference,
aren't you impressed?" Tatum replies, "nah, he can do
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Re: Reading raw data

[Michael Kann]

--- Simon Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well then what's the deal with Revolution?  If they
leased [the Metacard engine] then how can they sell
the same functionality for a lower cost?

-- Just curious. What is that lower cost that you
mention?

Thanks, Michael Kann

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Re: Reading raw data

[Michael Kann]

Richard, if your business analysis is correct why
don't you license the engine from Scott as the
Revolutionaries are doing, toss in your $10k for the
improved GUI, then sell at least a hundred copies of
GaskinCard. You could buy that second house instead of
Scott.

--- Richard's well thought out statements ---

I believe that a modest $10k interface overhaul would
likely bring in at least another hundred sales each
year.  At $995 a pop, this would have a substantial
beneficial impact on Scott Raney's lifestyle in his
retirement years, and very likely make retirement an
option far sooner.  If he's not into investing, it
could deliver for him a stellar vacation at his choice
of luxury hotels anywhere in the world, and over time
could pay for a second home in Hawaii.
Based on such feedback I've heard directly, I believe
that loosing a hundred sales a year from a the
appearance of the development environment is a
conservative estimate.

The biggest factor in this is not just "pretty
pictures":  When folks see that the vendor's own UI
looks so foreign to both Mac and Windows, they get the
mistaken impression that their apps can look no
better.  I've worked with it enough to know that's not
a fair assessment, but that's the difference between
an engineer and a marketer:  A good engineer looks at
the _facts_, while a good marketer focuses on the
_perception_ of those facts.

Scott is one of the finest engineers and technical
managers I've ever witnessed, with solid business
savvy as well.  If coupled with a person equally
strong in marketing, and a willingness to allow his
engineering to be at least partially driven by
relevant marketing considerations, I believe his
personal income would grow substantially, at least
several times over the cost of such an investment.
While no one can predict such things, I'll wager that
if MetaCard's UI were as strong as its engine,
RealBASIC never would have been able to get enough
funding to even consider a Windows port, so strong a
competitor MC would make.

MC is arguably the most powerful virtual machine on
the planet, potentially able to save the world's
programmers several million person-hours every year. 
At the moment, the world suffers a global productivity
hit from MC allowing itself to be underestimated.


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Re: How would you design this ?

[Michael Kann]

Can anybody help? --
Sivakatirswami, at [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- he the man.


--- Rolf Kocherhans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all
> 
> I like to make an application which presents the
> user with a startup 
> screen (a la Netscape) and then goes into the
> Internet and downloads 
> the actual newest version of a Stack which is then
> presented to the 
> user as his final working Window.
> 
> It does not matter how big the Application is, but I
> like that the 
> downloaded Stack is about 200K.
> 
> Is it possible to access stuff inside the
> Application from the downloaded
> Stack ?
> 
> How would I access for example scripts and pictures
> in the 
> Application from the downloaded Stack ?
> 
> Why do I want things to be so complicated I like
> to have a main 
> Application which everybody can download, but I like
> to improve and 
> change things on that Stack which the Application
> downloads at 
> startup time.
> 
> The Stack they download would have the main scripts
> and user controls.
> 
> Can anybody help?

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Re: (no subject)

[Michael Kann]

--- Matthew Davies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
inquired from across the pond:

How would you search a file for a line beginning with
some id number, and then extract that line and read
each item into a separate variable name?


kv is just a holder variable 

put url "c:/windows/desktop/goodfile.txt" into kv
filter kv with "#123*"
set itemDelimiter to "@"   -- whatever yours is
put item 1 of kv into varUno
put item 2 of kv into varDos

the mac urls I'll let others handle

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Re: Order of precedence conundrum

[Michael Kann]

Where did I go wrong in my steps?  

-- false AND true  evaluates to false
-- true  AND false evaluates to false


--- Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> When I put this in the Message Box:
> 
>put value( true AND false AND true OR NOT true
> AND NOT false )
> 
> I get "false".  
> 
> But based on the order of precedence (NOT, then AND,
> then OR), I would think
> this would evaluate like this (broken down to show
> intermediate steps as I
> understand them):
> 
> 
> 1.true AND false AND true OR NOT true AND NOT
> false
>  
> -
> 
> 
> 2.true AND false AND true OR falseAND true
>   --
> 
> 
> 3.true   AND true OR falseAND true
>   ----
> 
> 
> 4.trueOR true
>   ---
> 
> 
> 5.true
> 
> 
> Where did I go wrong in my steps?  Or is this a bug
> in the MC interpreter?
> I kinda doubt the latter on this one, yet I've been
> looking at it too long
> to see where I goofed -- any clues?  Does the "left
> to right" rule override
> precedence for Boolean operators?

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Re: Length of script problem

[Michael Kann]

Just curious, what does a 67k Metatalk script do?
Could you break it up a little?

--- Andrew Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a limit on script lengths?  I originally
> used
> HyperCard for my programming needs, but did not like
> the script length limitations.  I rememeber reading
> that MetaCard did not have a limit, yet when I apply
> my changes to my Card Script I get a message
> stating: 
> "Your script is 67662 characters long and must have
> less then 65534 charcters."  With a "I'll shorten
> it."
> button.  
> 
> Is there a work around to this problem?  Can I
> increase the script length?  
> 
> I'm using a licensed version of MetaCard 2.3.2.
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> --Andrew Griffin

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Re: Raney V 3.0

[Michael Kann]

"Triplets! Oh my. Three congratulations for now,
Scott, and when you need sympathy just ask."

-- Sorry, just a joke having to do with the long
download time. A different Scott, too. (But I better
just let this one go.)



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Re: Announcement

[Michael Kann]

Congratulations to Scott and his wife.

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Re: Announcement

[Michael Kann]

--- Jacqueline Landman Gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> For those of us with very slow connections, could
> anyone supply the message behind the flash
animation?

Scott's wife gave birth to triplets, and there is a
splendid picture of each one.

Congratulations.

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Re: Cookies?

[michael kann]

--- Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there any way to simulate browser cookie
> behavior/functionality from MC?
> 
> For example, if I script:
> 
>   get url "http://www.coolsite.com"
> 
> Is there some way to send what would otherwise be
> cookie information along
> with this URL?  If possible, would the cookie info
> simply be appended to the
> address or does it need to be handled differently
> than a parameter?

--- Reply

Using HTTPtracer I found that when I access a NYTimes
page (which requires a logon password)the browser
sends the following (see below). Notice that the
cookie has its own line: it is not appended to the
address. The actual cookies are much longer, I just
shortened them to fit into the email. Others on the
list most likely can post a script that opens up the
socket and sends the cookie header along with the
other headers, then waits for a reply. But it doesn't
seem that the GET or POST that is built into Metacard
can do it.

  HTTPtracer output of request with a cookie

GET /reuters/technology/tech-gateway-earns-dc.html
HTTP/1.0
Accept: */*
Referer: http://www.nytimes.com/
Accept-Language: en-us
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows
98; DigExt)
Host: www.nytimes.com
Proxy-Connection: Keep-Alive
Pragma: no-cache
Cookie: RMID=c; RDB=C; NYT-S=1; EmailAd=toshiba10-nyt2

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DDJarticle

[michael kann]

The May 2001 issue of Dr. Dobb's Journal has some
complimentary remarks about Revolution on page 119.
Too bad it only mentioned Metacard in passing.

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Re: XML everything

[michael kann]

--- andu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I looked at info on different messaging software the
other day and came across "Jobber"

-- Do you mean "Jabber" ?

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Andu for
all his help on and off this list. 



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Re: TCP/IP security considerations

[michael kann]

--- Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
inquired about peer-to-peer security a la Metacard:

Any business peer-to-peer program will be compared to
Ray Ozzie's Groove, found at www.groove.net, because
he has a PR machine that just won't quit. Security is
fundamental to their efforts, so it might be
worthwhile to check out the competition.  

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Re: MC 2.4 a1 is out!

[michael kann]

Clone Raney Now

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EditingQuicktimeOnWindows

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Can recommend programs for editing quicktime movies on
Windows -- Thanks.

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Re: Network help needed

[michael kann]

--- Jeremy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Is there any way to get the current ip address of the
user (on a LAN or on the Internet?)

--

For Windows, don't know about Mac --
put hostNameToAddress(hostname()) into fld 1 

He also asked:

Is there any way to scan a LAN to see if a server
stack is running?

-- Do you mean that you don't want to be discovered,
or do you mean that when a client is fired up it will
look around for the server stack? If it is the second
I would post a web page on an URL that isn't going to
change often. When a client fires up it can
automatically check that web page. On that page you
can list where the game server is at the moment, along
with anything else you might want to let the client know.

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Re: HyperCard and the future of MetaCard

[michael kann]

--- Carsten Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

But we forgot to ask about one important issue: How
strong is the MetaCard organisation, how is the
financial backing and is there a good and solid group
of people behind the development - or is it a pure one
man/woman product?  

--- My reply

The Xtalk Wrestlemania is over now and the guy
standing in the middle of the ring hoisting the World
Championship Belt above his head is nonother than the
scrawny computer programmer Scott Raney. 

Analysis of the match:

He won because he has a better product, a better
business plan, better customer service, better
communication skills, etc. If he dies from a heart
attack tomorrow (which is much less likely than me
doing the same) everybody can still use the programs
they already have, which are years ahead of anything
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FilterHelpPlease

[michael kann]

-- From the Filter entry in the online help system --

"The special characters supported are the same as
those used by the Bourne shell."

Bourne shell special characters that don't work for me
in Metacard --

[^abc]  -- any characters except a,b,c
[^a–c]  -- any characters except a through c

$  end of line  
.  any single char

^  beginning of line  -- the filter command in
Metacard assumes you are starting at the beginning of
a line, right?

 Are the special characters that are specifically
mentioned in the Metacard docs the only ones that work
with the filter command, or are there others that
aren't listed? Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Michael Kann

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Re: [OT] Scriptics.com? Osterhaut gone?

[michael kann]

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.scriptics.com/people/john.ousterhout/scripting.html+ousterhout&hl=en

The above URL took me there. All one word of course.

Ousterhout brought in the money guys and changed the
name from Scriptics to Aruba to service the B2B
market. Aruba was then sold to another company. The
TCL open source people formed a group to carry on with
TCL. I'm not sure where that lives now.

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> >I've been looking for the Osterhaut paper on
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> >21st Century", but it seems the Scriptics.com
> server is offline -- for about
> >a month now.
> 
> Is this the guy with TCL? I think he had a personal
> page too.
> 
> >
> >Anyone know if that paper has a new URL?  I
> couldn't turn up an alternate
> >when I searched a Google
> >
> >Thanks in advance -
> >
> >-- 
> > Richard Gaskin 
> > Fourth World Media Corporation
> > Multimedia Design and Development for Mac,
> Windows, UNIX, and the Web
> >
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HowToFindSMTP?

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I'm been testing out LiangTyan Fui's fine email stack.
Much thanks for his efforts. When it asks for the SMTP
server I put in smtp.cox-internet.com because I happen
to know it. How would someone find out this info if
they didn't know it? For example if someone at school
wants to send an email how would they know the SMTP
server of the school. Better, but probably impossible,
how would Metacard find it out by itself? Thanks
again, Michael Kann 

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LexiBot

[michael kann]

The program Mata Hari has been resurrected as LexiBot.
For those working with sockets to access websites and
search engines you might be interested in what this
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Re: A little unrelated

[michael kann]

--- digifilm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Does anyone know of a cgi that does this:

1. user clicks on weblink to download a file
2. weblink sends a string to cgi on server
3. cgi checks webserver's ip and if authenticated
looks
up the file related to the string and starts the
download


-
Can I rephrase your post a bit?

1. User clicks on a link in their browser to download
a file (let's call the browser the client)
2. The client sends in a password along with its IP
address to the server. On the server side a CGI script
uses the password and IP address to send back the
appropriate file.

I'm assuming that by "file" you mean an HTML file that
the browser will display. If you mean another type of
file that will be downloaded to the harddrive, then
that would use a different mechanism.
---
The punch line:

If you know what platform and server you'll be using
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LuetzelschwabForPresident

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They obviously sent the wrong man from Austin to be
our President. Thanks for the small POST gem. Keep 'em
coming. 

Mark's Gem:


Hi All,

I saw a couple of postings related to POST and
ASP...and never really 
saw an answer...as far as I can tell, this solution
works for ASP and 
some other web servers (HTML/OS) that accept a POST
command.

This example works for ASP..by modifying the
httpHeaders just ever so 
slightly. The addition is:

  set the httpHeaders to "Content-type: 
application/x-www-form-urlencoded"&return

make a field with the name "Earl" and put the url into
it (i.e. 
http://localhost/default.asp)
make a field with the name "data" and put some text in
there (i.e. hi )
make a button and put the following script.

on mouseUp
   set the httpHeaders to "Content-type: 
application/x-www-form-urlencoded"&return
   # The trailing return is the key...without it, this
spits back all 
sorts of errors.
   put field "Earl" into mURL
   put "myText="&field data into tText
   post tText to URL mURL
   put it
end mouseUp

The ASP file (i.e. http://localhost/default.asp)

should have:

<% Language=VBScript %>



<%
Response.Write Request.Form("myText")
%>



The html, head and body tags arent really necessary.

It should just spit back what you put in the data
field.

-ml

 
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RE: Making the case for non-browser "Web apps"

[michael kann]

Blair, this is a fantastic post which is of interest
to many on the list. When you get back can you expand
on the "other reasons" you mentioned? Thanks, Michael
Kann

Blair wrote hastily: There are other reasons but I've
gotta run.

> 
> Our users LOVE the web and want everything
> web-enabled. BUT they want it
> from a standard browser window - nothing else. The
> reasons for this are
> pretty clear. The users work in a distributed
> environment and want to be
> able to log in to any computer, anywhere, anytime,
> and bring up the
> information they want.
> 
> They don't want to install an application on every
> machine in order to run
> it. They also don't want to train people to use yet
> another tool. There are
> other reasons but I've gotta run.

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Re: Making the case for non-browser "Web apps"

[michael kann]

> --- Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > I'm looking for two sets of examples: 
> > 1. Non-browser network apps that work

>From the table of contents of a Peer-to-peer book on
ora.com -- O'Reilly site

Part II. Projects

5. SETI@home
David Anderson

6. Jabber: Conversational Technologies
Jeremie Miller

7. Mixmaster Remailers
Adam Langley

8. Gnutella
Gene Kan

9. Freenet
Adam Langley

10. Red Rover
Alan Brown

11. Publius
Marc Waldman, Lorrie Faith Cranor, and Avi Rubin

12. Free Haven
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Re: Making the case for non-browser "Web apps"

[michael kann]

--- Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm looking for two sets of examples: 
> 1. Non-browser network apps that work

-- groove.net is one that is getting a lot of PR.

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Re: Making the case for non-browser "Web apps"

[michael kann]

--- Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm looking for two sets of examples: 
> 1. Non-browser network apps that work

ora.com has a lot on peer-to-peer right now.

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Re: Sockets vs. POST

[michael kann]

I've been using HTTPtracer on Windows to monitor HTTP
traffic. It is one of the best designed programs I've
ever used. When POSTING data to PWS/ASP/Access I
noticed that I could POST from Netscape/Microsoft but
not from Metacard. With HTTPtracer I discovered that
the POST from Netscape/Microsoft actually goes in two
parts. First it POSTS the headers, then it POSTS the
data, in a following message. I concluded that
Metacard just POSTS once, so the data doesn't get
through.

--- Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While working on some routines to send POST data to
> CGIs, I'm having some
> trouble getting the data in the right format and
> it's raise two questions:
> 
> 1. Would it be any easier to take control over the
> whole transaction by
> using sockets instead of relying on MC's POST?  My
> first hunch is that it
> would not, but it's been a bear dealing with some
> CGIs.
> 
> 2. Is there any better tool for Mac OS which will
> let me review all outging
> and incoming data on port 80 than Interarchy?  I
> find the format of
> Interarchy's stream dumps awfully noisy, with no
> evident options for
> reducing the displayed info to just the stream
> without all the commentary
> junk.

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Re: New development system - Revolution 1.0 public beta

[michael kann]

--- Kevin Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here is the press release 

Has Metacard now become Revolution, or are they two
separate entities?

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ServingGIFS

[michael kann]

Does the MCHTTPd server serve up Gifs and JPEGs as
well as text? I'd like to be able to do that but it
doesn't seem to work here. I'm on Win98. Thanks,
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RevolutionBeta

[michael kann]

I'm looking at the Revolution beta and have a couple
of questions. First, is there any new functionality
beyond Metacard, or is it a new interface? Second, is
there a way to step through the cards in the
Transcript Dictionary? Thanks in advance. Michael
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RE: HTTP Headers

[michael kann]

"http://www.royalsoftware.com" into fld "whatever"

took me to Webstar, not Royalsoftware

--- andu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Although not directly related to Richard's request,
> I have a problem getting
> >url to work correctly when going to a collocated
> server...ie, try "put url
> >"http://www.royalsoftware.com" into fld "whatever"
> 
> Actually I just tried put url
> "http://www.royalsoftware.com" into fld "whatever"
> and it works
> as is.
> This is the built in header MC sends:
> GET / HTTP/1.0  
> Host: www.royalsoftware.

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Re: HTTP Headers1

[michael kann]

I happened to be fiddling with this stuff last week.
He's an exchange between myself and Pierre. I'll read
your post carefully and send another reply. 


michael kann a écrit :
> 
> Thanks for the reply. I've done a little more
> investigating, which has been enlightening, but not
> conclusive.
> 
> First, I used the following ASP function
> 
> --
> 
> kv = Request.ServerVariables("SERVER_PROTOCOL")
> Response.Write(kv)
> 
> 
> and found that if I send the POST from Metacard it
> returns
> 
> HTTP/1.0
> 
> and if I send it from Microsoft IE 5.0 it returns
> 
> HTTP/1.1
> 
> I don't know if this has any effect or not.
> 
> 
> Quoting your experience:
> 
> 
> If i send a "post" from within MC to the php odbc
> handler (in using sockets or
> the build-in metatalk post command), the php handler
> is able to reply with its
> build-in code like "print("Recu");" but not to catch
> the content of the $HTTP_POST_VARS;
> -
> Comment:
> -
> 
> In my Xitami/PHP4/MySQL on Win98 setup if I send a
> POST from Metcard it is caught in the
$HTTP_POST_VARS.
> Perhaps PHP4 and MySQL don't need ODBC to
communicate?
> ---
> I checked out the different headers with the ASP
> function
> 
> kv = Request.ServerVariables("ALL_RAW")
> Response.Write(kv)
> -
> the RAW refers to the headers that ASP receives
> (before ASP adds HTTP_ in front of them for output)
> 
> The Metacard POST only sends
> 
> Host: localhost
> Content-Length: 5
> 
> while Microsoft IE 5.0 sends
> 
> Accept: */* Accept-Language: en-us Connection:
> Keep-Alive Host: localhost Referer:
> http://localhost/feb6post.htm User-Agent:
Mozilla/4.0
> (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) Cookie:
> ASPSESSIONIDFFFAYOSF=DCPHGKFAPBAHDANFKFKHNHGH
> Content-Length: 9 Content-Type:
> application/x-www-form-urlencoded Accept-Encoding:
> gzip, deflate
> 
> I posted the name "jack" and the Content-Length for
> Microsoft IE was 9, while the Metacard
Content-Length
> was 5. That would make sense if ASP wasn't receiving
> the 4 letters that make up the POST data from
> Metacard.
> 
> So we've discovered that the Metacard POST doesn't
> send as much as the browser POST.
> 
> At least for now I'll stick to GET.
> 
> Thanks much for the information. It got me pointed
in
> the right direction.
> 
> Michael Kann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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Michael,

Thank's a lot for all those so usefull informations. I
will use them as 
starter
point to go head with the mc POST "caprices" when i
will have some more 
time to
spend with this subject and i will, like you, stick to
GET for yet.
Unfortunally, i have lots to do this weeks with
starting up a mc based 
vpn
service and i will not work on this again before
March, 12.

I will, meanwhile, be happy to listen to you and, if
you are 
interested,
exchange more about the ways we can use to set up
fines web/vpn 
applications
servers demons in using mc.

Kind Regards, Pierre Sahores

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Re: List Netiquette

[michael kann]

--- David Bovill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in reply
to Michael Kann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> > 2. Length -- put your code on a webpage
> > -- refer to it there
> 
> In an ideal world? Just broke this one for instance.
> If I had to do this
> right now I wouldn't be bothered to post scripts, at
> least not til i set
> something to automate this up...

-- I stand corrected. Code should be posted to the
list, not put on web pages. Real bad idea.

-- Does Yahoo automatically put the ads in? If it does
I'm changing.

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Re: List Netiquette

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--- Let me paraphrase Rüdiger zu Dohna
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

1. Subject -- don't make the subject the whole digest
   -- make the subject meaningful
2. Length -- put your code on a webpage
  -- refer to it there
3. Quoting -- just enough to keep thread
4. HTML -- keep it out of email

-- Additional comments

I would like to see a mention of the platform (Mac,
Windows, Unix/Linux) at the beginning of most
questions.

-- Gratitude is wonderful, but to top off a long quote
with "Thanks to everyone" is not.

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Re: statistics

[michael kann]

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I want to determine the correlation (relationship)
between 2 groups ie. lines of data in 2 separate
fields.

-

Can you describe your goal in statistical (or better
yet) mathematical terms? 

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Re: getting socket identification numbers

[michael kann]

I'm working on a chat program, bolstered by the help
of others on the list. I want to get the IP address of
the person chatting with me, even if they don't know
how to get it themselves. I investigated hostAddress
and peerAddress but ran into a puzzle -- can anyone
explain it?

I'm chatting on my Win98 machine between two stacks
with different addresses, 208.193.15.192 given to me
by the ISP, and 127.0.0.1, the loopback address. In
each stack I have a button with this script:

on mouseUp
  put fld "sendIPfld" into vIP
  put fld "sendSocketFld" into vSocket
  put vIP&":"&vSocket into tDest
  open socket tDest
  put hostAddress(tDest)&return&peerAddress(tDest)
into fld resultFld
  close socket tDest
end mouseUp

>From each stack I get the same result -- the
hostAddress and the peerAddress are the same, and that
address is for the stack that I am connecting to, not
the address for the stack with the button. Shouldn't
they be different?

I'm using two different port numbers -- one to go from
the 208.193.15.192 address to the 127.0.0.1 address,
and one to go back the other way. But I don't see how
that could make any difference. 

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Re: Simple Sockets?

[michael kann]

Peter Reid asked --

is there any way of finding out the IP address of the
current computer a stack is running on without making
a socket connection to another machine?

-- on Windows98 I've had success with the following:

on mouseUp
  put empty into fld "ipconfigfld"
  set hideConsoleWindows to true
  put shell("ipconfig") into vtemp
  filter vtemp with "*IP*"
  put last word of vtemp into fld "ipconfigfld"
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FTPserver

[michael kann]

Is there a Metacard FTP server available for download?
Thanks for all the contributions, Michael Kann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Paradigma Software Releases VXCMD, Technology Release 1.8.6

[michael kann]

>From the pdf reference it says that you initialize the
kernel with:

get Valentina("Init",3*1024*1024,"Serial Number")

where the numbers are the size of the cache.

Question: on the teaser version what Serial Number do
you put in and must it be enclosed in quotes. 

On a more general note I'd like to hear from anyone
who has an example of a Valentina database with a
Metacard frontend.  Thanks, Michael Kann,
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Re: Interachy

[michael kann]

HttpTracer might be of interest. Find it at:

http://www.concentric.net/~Sstmail/download.html

Michael Kann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

--- Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Take a look at Naviscope (found in all the usual
download places I believe). You can tell it to keep
logs of all messaging that goes between browser and
server (both directions). And it's freeware.

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Re: Interachy

[michael kann]

--- Monte Goulding asked:

Hi all, does anyone know of Windows software (98) that
does the equivalent of Interachy? logging messages
to/from server/browser?

Post the website for Interachy and we might be able to
find something similar. Thank you, Michael Kann

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Re: Digest metacard.v004.n111

[michael kann]

I've noticed that we've started replying to the entire
digest again. Michael Kann.

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Re: Valentina and MC (was: MC to 4D Database)

[michael kann]

--- Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> I'd like to inform you about ability to built into
your MetaCard applications Valentina database engine.

--- Looks like a great product. I can see lots of uses
for it. I have the VXCMD Test Project open on my
Windows desktop. How do I use it to create a database,
put some records in, and get some records out? How do
you write your own interface to access the records? I
know about databases and SQL, I just need a jump start
to get something working. Thanks, Michael Kann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Opening one stack from another

[michael kann]

--- Gregory Lypny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd like the splash screen (stack X) to appear without
a title bar or close box.  How can I do that?

-- See the entry "decorations" in the index

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Re: Opening one stack from another

[michael kann]

--- Gregory Lypny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--- I'm having trouble opening one stack from another.

create a button with the following script:

on mouseUp
open stack "goodStack"
end mouseUp

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Re: FromSocketToField

[michael kann]

Thanks Andu, I appreciate it.

---Michael Kann wrote:

I have the following script in a btn:

read from socket "127.0.0.1:9980" for 1024 with
message "dataHasArrived"

I click on the btn, then send some data from
another stack to the recieving stack. How do I make
the data appear in a fld in the receiving stack?

---Andu answered almost immediately:

> on dataHasArrived socketOpen, tData
> put tData into fld 1
> end dataHasArrived
> 
> Also you can just do: 
> read from socket "127.0.0.1:9980" for 1024
> put it into fld 1
> 
> Remember to open the socket before reading from it
> and to close it when you are done
> reading.
> 
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Re: central repository for web related metacard examples

[michael kann]

The one function I've been able to perform with the
DDE external is to make a specific web page appear in
my browser. I know that it is possible to use DDE to
learn what URL is currently in the browser because I
can do that with webSpy and that program uses DDE. But
I can't find the commands to do that with the
external. 

Just a few other items on the wish list: 

1. send some data to an Excel spreadsheet, have Excel
munch on it, retrieve the data to display in Metacard

2. send an SQL string to an ACCESS database to gather
some data for display in Metacard

But for now I'd like to learn how to do anything at
all or be pointed to some reference where I could look
up the commands.

Thanks, Michael Kann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]


---Kevin Miller promptly replied:

What are you trying to do?  Perhaps someone on this
list can help point you to instructions for whatever
it is?

---Michael Kann originally wrote:

I would really like to see a list of commands that
can be used with the DDE external found in the
wonderful set of externals by Tuviah Snyder. I have
searched on the Internet for commands and syntax that
I might use with this external, but haven't had any
luck. This one external would sell the whole package
if people knew how to use it.

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FromSocketToField

[michael kann]

I have the following script in a btn:
---
read from socket "127.0.0.1:9980" for 1024 with
message "dataHasArrived"

I click on the btn, then send some data from another
stack to the recieving stack. How do I make the data
appear in a fld in the receiving stack?

>From the reference:

The "read from socket" command is used to read data
from a socket. Sockets are always opened in binary
mode and so any required data conversion must be done
in scripts.  

Could anyone kindly supply one of the "scripts" that
the reference mentions?

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Re: central repository for web related metacard examples

[michael kann]

Kevin Miller wrote:

Or is there something our site doesn't / won't do
that you are looking for? Perhaps we could add that?

--- More Comments ---

I've found the Metaclass tutorials at Kevin's site to
be very helpful. Would it be possible to put one
together on Sockets and the Use of Metacard as a
Browser? Within the tutorial there might be links to
working scripts. I agree heartily with Kevin that they
are doing a good job of organizing contributions. More
explanations for the contributions would be valuable.
Michael Kann, Victoria, TX.

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Re: central repository for web related metacard examples

[michael kann]

Kevin Miller wrote:

Or is there something our site doesn't / won't do that
you are looking for? Perhaps we could add that?

-- my comments --

I would really like to see a list of commands that can
be used with the DDE external found in the wonderful
set of externals by Tuviah Snyder. I have searched on
the Internet for commands and syntax that I might use
with this external, but haven't had any luck. This one
external would sell the whole package if people knew
how to use it.

Michael Kann, [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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[michael kann]

I'm wondering why when I run a shell command it spins
my hard drive for about half a second. I'm on Win98
Dell Inspiron 7000. Thanks in advance. Michael Kann,
Victoria, TX.

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