converting stacks to html
> Did you could export animation too? > That could be astounding!!! Converting stacks to html...hasn't everyone figured out how to do this? It's quite simple actually... JR > Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 22:34:19 -0700 (PDT) > From: Alejandro Tejada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Update on WYSIWYG editor of Alain > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Alain, > > on Thu, 15 Jul 2004 > Alain Farmer wrote: > > > Here is an updated version of the software (in > > French) > > that Im crafting for a francophone school > > commission. > > Did they have a website? > > > The relevance, for this mostly-anglo maillist, is > > that > > it implements a bunch of features that can be > > re-used > > as-is (or with a tiny bit of adaptation). The > > "killer" > > one is the WYSIWYG web-site editor that transforms > > MC > > layout of a stack into the corresponding website > > coded > > as DHTML that runs on ALL browsers, including > > Explorer > > 6.x and browsers as ancient as Netscape 4.7.x ( > > which > > is what Im using on my Mac running OS 8.6 ). > > Did you could export animation too? > That could be astounding!!! > > I have downloaded the Zip file and i'm ready to > test this wysiwyg editor. :-) > > > La piece > > de resistance to top-it-all-off is that it comes > > with > > a toolbar that allows you to format the text, create > > http links, include images, etc. This toolbar can be > > used separately, furthermore, with *any* other > > stack. > > Interesting!!! > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
What is the engine doing with datagram sockets?
I have been using sockets successfully (in MC and RunRev) for quite a while now...it is one of their strengths. Now I need to use datagram sockets, (in particular 'broadcasting') and I am discovering that this seems to be very different...and I cannot get datagram broadcasting working in Linux at all (error 13). In all fairness, it seems like opening a 'single' specific datagram socket works like a regular socket...but what I am trying to accomplish is broadcasting on 255.255.255.255 to a specific port for multiple devices, and it is very strange: (Windows XP - engine 2.5 or 2.5.1) - My broadcast computer generates it's own 'alias' datagram socket, and sends the data back to itself. - Since it does this, it gets to my 'receiving' handler first, and stops anything else from coming in: local udpSocket on mouseUp put into "255.255.255.255:199" udpSocket open datagram socket to udpSocket with message "ACCEPTED" accept datagram connections on port "199" with message "ACCEPTED" write "Roll Call" to socket udpSocket with message "getData" send "resetUDP" to me in 50 end mouseUp on ACCEPTED s,data put RETURN & s && data after message -- for testing end ACCEPTED on getData s,data put s && data & RETURN after message -- for testing end getData on resetUDP close socket udpSocket end resetUDP If I use the above script to broadcast to multiple devices, only the originating computer gets to the 'ACCEPTED' handler the first time (with it's 'alias' address)...what I discovered is, that I must close the socket, and repeat this process twice to get 'any' of the information from the other devices (basically pressing the button twice). But it really is worse than that...I must parse each response after that, and generate a listening port for each device: on ACCEPTED s,data set itemDelimiter to ":" put item 2 of s into thePort startListeningTo thePort end ACCEPTED on startListeningTo thePort if thePort is NOT among the lines of the openSockets then accept datagram connections on port thePort with Message "tryItAgain" end if end startListeningTo on tryItAgain s,data if "OK" is NOT among the words of data then -- the devices respond with "OK" write "ROLL CALL" to socket s with message "getData" end if end tryItAgain This actually works (this script is written from memory however...but the 'theory' is here), and I can now do my UDP broadcast (but only on XP so far). My question is...what is the engine doing with datagram sockets? Is this really how I must handle multiple responses from a broadcast? Has anyone had any better success at doing this? Here is what I believe the problem is: Opening a broadcast datagram socket is not really connecting to anything specific, so the MC/RunRev engine is somewhat in 'oblivion' about what is going on...and it generates it's own internal connection socket in response to receiving data on the listening port (becoming one of the responding devices). When multiple devices respond on the same port (i.e. receiving many messages on a datagram port) the engine is only accepting the 'first' one (itself), and ignoring the rest...but the data is in a buffer somewhere. So, when I close the socket, and reopen, the data that was 'buffered' is ready to be 'read' again. Hopefully, someone will look at this and say "you need to do this" , and everything will work. But, I have been through this enough now to feel that something else is happening 'behind the scenes' that I just don't have enough information about. Thanks for any info, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Things that don't work in Linux - RedHat 9
Thank you so much for all of the details for Linux and audio/video!!! :-) It is sad that Linux seems 'barely' supported by MetaCard/RunRev lately...maybe they are waiting for the final outcome of the lawsuit? JR > [snip] > > And, I would add to them: > > -The xanim file bundled never worked for me. I always have to use the one > bundled with the distro (I use SuSE) > > -There is a conflict in KDE which don't let you to use the demo or anything > that have a backdrop window. There is a workaround: > > The workaround is going to be not have it show the backdrop window on Linux > systems. If you want to see the demo, you can do this yourself with "edit > script of stack mcdemo2.mc" in the MB and just comment out the section at the > bottom of the preOpenStack handler where it sets the backdrop. Then "save > stack mcdemo2.mc" and then "go mcdemo2.mc" to run it. (Scott Raney) > > -There is a conflict between KDE clipboard manager and MetaCard. When active, > it renders the script editor useless. There is a workaround: > > Did you desactive the KDE's clipboard (visible in the KDE's toolbar as a > red and white icon) ? Else, i don't have this kind of problem in using > Suse 8.2 Pro (KDE 3.1.1). [Pierre Sahores] > > -and, the worst to me is spotty sound support, particularly in the area of > simultaneous sounds. I had to write the following lengthy troubleshooting > file in Spanish and English, to help my users! > > -- > > TROUBLESHOOTING > > AUDIO PROBLEMS > Q: I can't hear any sound! > A: You need to have xanim installed, otherwise, no sound is going to be > played. > Open a terminal, and type "xanim". If you receive a message like "command not > found", you don't have xanim in your system. Please download a version of > xanim appropiate for your distro. > > Q: I hear music, but no sound effects! or > Q: I hear sound effects, but no music! > A: I was afraid you reach this point, but, well... > > CircusTux requires you have a soundcard capable of playing different audio > files simultaneously (like mine, a SoundBlaster Live! card). > If you don't have such card, is still possible to hear music AND audio effects > if you use a sound server, such as aRts or Enlightenment Sound Daemon (esd). > > If you want to use aRts on KDE, do the following: > 1. Open Control Center, Sound & Multimedia, Sound System. > 2. Select "start aRts soundserver on KDE startup". > 3. Make sure that "enable full duplex operation" in the "Sound I/O" tab is > unchecked, because it messes the operation of the program in some sound > cards. > 4. In a Konsole, go to the directory where CircusTux is located, and type > "artsdsp ./circus" (Of course, you can also create a KDE Menu or Desktop > Entry to ease access) > > If you use GNOME or Enlightenment with a sound card or driver not capable of > handling simultaneous sounds, there are a few issues... > > The esd daemon likes to startup with the following parameters: > > esd -terminate -nobeeps -as 2 -spawnfd [some number] > > Unfortunately, CircusTux does not like the "-terminate" and "-as 2" > parameters. > > So, if you have a GNOME desktop, you would need to do the following: > > 1. Deactivate "Enable sound server startup" in Sound Preferences, close and > restart the session > 2. Open a terminal, type "esd" (you can still use the "-nobeeps" and "-spawnfd > [some number]" parameters if you like) > 3. In a gnome terminal, go to the CircusTux directory, and type "esddsp ./ > circus" (Of course, you can also create a GNOME Menu or Desktop Entry to ease > access, or recompile your GNOME environment without the offending > parameters ;P) > > If you have an Enlightenment desktop: > > 1. Right click on the desktop, Audio Setting, deselect "Enable Sounds" > 2. Open a terminal, type "esd" (you can still use the "-nobeeps" and "-spawnfd > [some number]" parameters if you like) > 3. In a Enlightenment terminal, go to the CircusTux directory, and type > "esddsp ./circus" (Of course, you can also create a Menu Entry to ease > access, or recompile your Enlightenment environment without the offending > parameters ;P) > > > Q: I did all the above, but the sound is all choppy/incomplete/delayed/ > randomly appearing! > A: CircusTux requires a Pentium III equivalent or better to work properly. > However, it is possible to run the program in older computers, with partial > sound support, or even without sounds :( > To run CircusTux without sound support, click the "Sound" button, and deselect > "Ambient music" and "Sound Effects". You could also try only one sound option > (music OR effects) to see if that fits in your configuration. > > If you use aRTs Sound Server and KDE, you can try to augment the audio > response time by going to Control Center, Sounds & Multimedia, Sound System, > Sound I/O. There you can experiment with some value in the Audio Buffer Size > bar. > > VIDEO PROBLEMS > Q: The images in CircusTux look awful! > A: The program works better in 24 bpp. If you h
Things that don't work in Linux - RedHat 9
Here are a few things that do not work in Linux RedHat 9: 'set the BackDrop to 90,80,144' This forces the screen to color you want...but in front of everything! In other words, you can't get to your computer anymore (you can't even alt-tab out)! - TrueType fonts - Xanim (or any video/music playback). Maybe I am not using this correctly? There do not seem to be any instructions on how to use this... - You 'always' have a window border no matter what. - Hiding/showing a window (or simply re-openning) cause the window to move slightly from it's last position by about 4 pixels (down, and to the left)...eventually you wind up off the screen! - Setting the loc of a window from a mouseMove 'loop' cause the window to shoot off the screen (bad data I suppose). The same code works in Windows (98-XP) and Mac (OS 8-10). - Cannot open a datagram socket on a specific port for broadcasting (this may be related to Linux itself though). I thought MetaCard was developed in a Linux environment? Is it just RedHat? Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent?
I am trying to stay away from anything 'interpreted. Unless I am misunderstanding how MetaCard/RunRev works, I believe scripts are converted to something 'native' when you close the script for that object...using the 'do' command requires that your script be interpreted 'on the fly'. This can make things very slow. I know I read this somewhere in the docs or an email...something like "using the 'do' command can slow your script execution down by a factor of 10". I was also in correspondence with Scott Raney about some script debugging, and he mentioned that a feature I wanted was not possible because the saved scripts are in a form similar to C++ or Java...leading me to believe that they are in some kind of 'bytecode' form. Having a 'built-in' handler simply pass the event (with related data) to my object would have allowed me to, in turn, pass that on to my 'Main' handler using a very small script...making it possible to use the 'set script' command in a stand-alone to update my objects to a 'native' script form (rather than using your proposed method). Am I making any sense? ;-) JR > > Hummm .. Seems easy enough to me. Integrate one or > more "do" statement[s] in your generic handler. The > script that gets 'done' can be located elsewhere, e.g. > in a field, in a file, from a URL... > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent?
> What is the benefit of parsing an event rather than handling them directly? I need to be able to update a stack/card script in a standalone, and I cannot because of the limit imposed. The stack script contains (mostly) typical handlers (i.e. openStack, resumeStack, etc.) for handling messages that are sent to the stack. If I had a 'single' handler in the script that could handle 'all' stack messages, I 'might' be able to update the script because the size of the script would be greatly reduced. I really wish RunRev would allow 'some' things in a stand-alone for licensed users, or a special license for increasing the script limit 'just a litlle'. > You could, for example, have a frontScript Since I already have a few 'idle' handlers running, I really did not want to add another...especially one that parses 'everything'! Things are a little sluggish as it is... > That's an invalid address, requiring hand-editing. Odd. > Who's the list mom for this list? I am starting to feel like an 'abandoned child' on this list (or at least the uncle that everyone is ashamed to talk about)...also, (maybe it is just me though) any message I post to the 'RunRev' list does not go through. I can take a hint ;-) JR - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: metacard Digest, Vol 4, Issue 18 > Send metacard mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of metacard digest..." > > > This is the Metacard mailing list. > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent? (RCS) >2. Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent? (Richard Gaskin) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:53:47 -0800 > From: "RCS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent? > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > on hWindowEvent theEvent, theData > > SWITCH theEvent > CASE "openStack" >-- do this >break > CASE "mouseDown" > if theData = 3 then > -- right-click > else > -- do that > end if >break > DEFAULT >-- do the other >break > end SWICH > > end hWindowEvent > > > I really don't want an 'idle' handler (or 'send to' handler) parsing > everything that is happening in my environment...I thought there might be > something 'native' that was not mentioned in the docs. > > Thanks, > > JR > > > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:00 AM > Subject: metacard Digest, Vol 4, Issue 17 > > > > > To craft a solution that better meets your needs, can you tell us a bit > more > > about the specifics of what you're looking to do, maybe with an example of > > how you'd like to use it? > > > > -- > > Richard Gaskin > > Fourth World Media Corporation > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:21:42 -0800 > From: Richard Gaskin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent? > To: MetaCard List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > RCS wrote: > > >> To craft a solution that better meets your needs, can you tell us a bit > >> more about the specifics of what you're looking to do, maybe with an > >> example of how you'd like to use it? > > > on hWindowEvent theEvent, theData > > > > SWITCH theEvent > > CASE "openStack" > > -- do this > > break > > CASE "mouseDown" > > if theData = 3 then > > -- right-click > > else > > -- do that > > end if > > break > > DEFAULT > > -- do the other > > break > > end SWICH > > > > end hWindowEvent > > > > > > I really don't want an
Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent?
on hWindowEvent theEvent, theData SWITCH theEvent CASE "openStack" -- do this break CASE "mouseDown" if theData = 3 then -- right-click else -- do that end if break DEFAULT -- do the other break end SWICH end hWindowEvent I really don't want an 'idle' handler (or 'send to' handler) parsing everything that is happening in my environment...I thought there might be something 'native' that was not mentioned in the docs. Thanks, JR - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: metacard Digest, Vol 4, Issue 17 > > To craft a solution that better meets your needs, can you tell us a bit more > about the specifics of what you're looking to do, maybe with an example of > how you'd like to use it? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Media Corporation ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent? (John Rule)
Not 'quite' what I was looking for, but it could be used to get the same result. I am not sure what the overhead cost would be though...I was hoping for something 'native'. Thanks for the response... JR > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:27:59 -0800 (PST) > From: Alejandro Tejada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent? > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > on Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:39:21 -0800 > "RCS" wrote: > > > Is there a master 'Event' that we can use to tell > > what handler is being > > called (similar to the 'AppleEvent')? Rather than > > trapping 20 (or more) > > handlers in my window for events passed to it, I > > would like to 'discern' > > from a generic handler what message is being > > sent...and any data that was > > involved. > > Richard Gaskin has an utility named 4W_UmbrellaMan > that does exactly what you want: > > <http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/channel/4W_UmbrellaMan.mc> > > al > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
MC-REV Event similar to AppleEvent?
Is there a master 'Event' that we can use to tell what handler is being called (similar to the 'AppleEvent')? Rather than trapping 20 (or more) handlers in my window for events passed to it, I would like to 'discern' from a generic handler what message is being sent...and any data that was involved. Thanks, John ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
New stack - MD5 (JR)
Is a new stack represented in memory as a chunk of data? I am using MD5 to check to see of a stack has changed on saved files (by using get URL), but I cannot seem to reference a new stack (in memory) that has not been saved as a file yet...any ideas? Thanks JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Fonts in Linux
Has anyone found a workaround to the MC font problems in Linux? Particularly Red Hat 9, TrueType fonts just do not work...well, they work in everything but MC. JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Open driver?
Has anyone successfully used 'open driver' - 'write to driver' etc.? Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Multiple sounds playing at once - how?
I had four audio clips playing at the same time with only 25% cpu usage (900 mhz pc)...try the 'play audioClip' command. JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
ticks and seconds ahould have a fixed reference
I thought the 'ticks' and 'seconds' were supposed to references to January 1,1904 or something...they change if you change the computers time/date!!! I am trying to build a time limited demo... :-( JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Rev 2.x vs MetaCard 2.5
Do you think it would be possible to post new features of the 'engine' of new RunRev versions so people who are still using the older MetaCard 2.5 engine will know exactly what is changing? I don't mean the IDE or externals...just the engine. Who knows, it might even be persuasive enough to convince me to make the change to RunRev ;-) JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: RunRev 2.1
OK, so let me get this straight... MetaCard users who just paid for a 1 year renewal, need to upgrade ($299) to be able to use the new 2.1 RunRev engine. RunRev 2.0 users may consider this a free upgrade. I will never see fixes to the MetaCard 2.5 engine. Am I close? JR > Dear Listees, > > We are delighted to announce that Revolution 2.1 is now shipping. > > Revolution 2.1 includes dozens of new features and improvements: > > * Improved conformity with the Mac OS X interface style guidelines > * All editions include support for MySQL, PostgreSQL, ODBC and Valentina > * Improved support for Mac OS X Aqua appearance > * Support for drawers and metal appearance on Mac OS X > * System palettes which float above all applications > > You can download it from > > http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/downloads.html > > Information about upgrading is available here: > > http://www.runrev.com/Revolution1/licensing1.html > > Warm Regards, > > Heather ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Script Limits - clarify please (JR)
As the original poster of that message, I too am pleased at the clarification that has ensued. Left to our own speculation, we can only entertain wild (and unfounded) ideas about how things are progressing. These 'well crafted' responses have been very helpful to dispell rumors and 'myths'. You must understand the orientation from which we (the end user) must 'speculate' from. The only changes I have seen (real changes, not just promises) have been in RunRev's best interest...not mine. I have decided to have faith that the promises that I have been reading on this post (from Kevin, and others) are not merely 'damage control', but 'real' promises. Only time will tell now, and I wish you [RunRev] all the blessings you deserve...good luck! JR > Let me join with the thanks for making a clear and exhaustive > statement, Kevin. I am glad to hear that my fears were unfounded and > the interests of this group are important to Rev. > > Robert Brenstein ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Script limit - clarify please
What exactly does all of this mean anyway? I cannot distinguish between rumor and fact: - Scott promises the MetaCard IDE will always work with the Revolution engine. Is this his 'wish' or is this in writing somewhere. - Revolution promises that the Revolution engine will work with the MetaCard IDE. I see no time frame here. My MetaCard engine could be broken with the next update to Windows or OSX...maybe next week? - Scott promises that the MetaCard IDE is 'open source'. Wasn't it always? - Scott Raney works 'for' Revolution. I doubt that. - Revolution takes orders from Scott. I doubt that too. This is what I have interpereted from all of this (and my general 'gut' feeling): The MetaCard IDE is open source (a lot of good that does for me...really). The MetaCard IDE depends on several features that Revolution is taking out (or deciding to). Revolution will NOT maintain the MetaCard engine (i.e. to be compatible with the Revolution changes). Revolution will NOT update the MetaCard engine with bug fixes, even for current license holders. There is NO upgrade path for current MetaCard users (current license). Scott Raney is on a beach somewhere...never to be heard from again. Am I close? RCS ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Script Limits - not good
I too must voice an opinion...I would NOT like this to change. JR > Roughly the same for me. Think I used the starter kit for around 4 > months to build things before getting a licence. I would be using > another language if I had not been able to do this. Using "do" alone > would not suffice as I'd have lost the speed reasons for using MC. ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Emagic did it
Yes, but they upgraded the engine several times after that...fixing bugs AND adding features. JR > I feel that the odds of me, and some other MC developers, being Rev > customers increase greatly if they cross grade us now without the fee. It's > not like it's never been done before... Emagic did it. They said that they > were no longer going to make the Windows version of Logic, and so they > offered a cross-grade to the Mac version for free. ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Why maintain Metacard
The user license is different for MetaCard... JR > In short, (putting it bluntly) why would anyone want to spend effort > maintaining/updating MetaCard's development environment when the > Revolution environment is also customizable? > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
2 upgrades are guaranteed
I don't think this has been discussed enough. As someone who just paid $300 for : "free access to all MetaCard updates that are released or go to beta within that 1 year period. At least 2 upgrades are guaranteed to be released within the duration of each subscription." i feel like this is being swept under the rug. We need an official response so we can decide our course of action. What about the bugs that still exist? What if Apple's 'Panther' breaks something? JR > This sums up rather well my gut-feeling on this issue > as well. MC and RR have merged into one.. so should > we, but not by immediately dishing out more cash. Our > investment in MC should 'port' to RR without any > hassle whatsoever. That's what would make us happy. > ;-) > > Alain Farmer ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Interface on top of IDE
I am not sure what all of this 'hype' is about. The MetaCard 'front end' source has always been available to every licensed user...which is how RunRev developed their interface. Let's not make this something 'magical', please. Revolution is an interface on top of the MC IDE...a lot of work went into that, so I respect it. But it is something anyone had the opportunity to do...but not anymore. THAT is what this is about. Revolution had to secure this 'loop hole', and I don't blame them. But if Scott wasn't aware that he was helping them secure this position, I would have to say he is quite naiive. Well, at least it can't be done with MC anymore...that doesn't mean there are no other options. Revolution does not 'own' xTalk. There are a number of things happening that should make all of this a minor point... ;-) JR > By creating an OpenSource front end, Scott has assured the future of this > product, regardless of what happens. This is enough insurance for me. > > --Chipp ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
re: Staying with MC IDE
It wasn't so much the IDE for me (but I know from personal experience that the 'Rev' interface on top of the MC engine can be quite distressing), it was more the licensing. Does anyone know what I mean? Please compare the two... I would vote to stay with the current licensing and IDE. JR > > I am just curious to know how many people are planning on staying with > > MC and being active in maintaining its IDE? ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Huh?
What in the heck does this mean? >Existing customers will get a free upgrade to Revolution with >their next subscription renewal. So after paying for a subscription, you get a free upgrade?! I think you guys have had a little too much champagne... Tell me if I am wrong: I just paid for my license to MetaCard, and I am no longer entitled to engine upgrades. This is bad business in my book. JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: metacard digest, Vol 1 #688 - 13 msgs
The MetaCard group already exists: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/metacard/ JR > Scott Raney wrote: > > > The first order of business will be to set up a mailing > > list so that we can start discussions of how that group should be > > organized and later, what changes to the UI everyone wants (and are > > willing to contribute to!). That should help keep this list focused > > on *using* the UI, with some discussions of the engine technology it > > shares with the new "standard" development environment, Revolution. > > > > OK, so who wants to host that mailing list? > > If Yahoo Groups is OK I could set one up in a few minutes. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Media Corporation > Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site > ___ ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MetaCard acquired - wake up call
It makes me realize that this technology can be pulled out from underneath us...I feel pretty rattled. What would happen if Apple buys this? Do you think they will support Windows and Linux? Do you think RunRev has any more loyalty to us than Scott? There are no guarantees anywhere (what a sad statement!), so I don't blame Scott...but my heart sank when I read this for some reason. It seems like the beginning of the end, not a new beginning. It's definitely a wake-up call for me...I think I'll go see how Java is doing. JR > > Your thoughts? > > > > > > The writing was on the wall that this was going to happen eventually. > I would say congratulations are in order for both Scott and Kevin's > respective teams. I look forward to embracing the future of this > technology at its new home. > > > > Best regards, > Mark Talluto > http://www.canelasoftware.com > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Gane available for test
Worked fine for me (MetaCard 2.5). Nice work! The combination of the 'flying text', the transparency, and the unique window shape makes you think you are looking at a Flash creation (I am sure that was your intention). It's nice to see the cool things you can do with MetaCard! JR > To grab the game, type the following in your message box: > > go stack url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/test/stacks/kodekraker.mc"; > > Should be very simple but let me know if you continue to have problems. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: 'Real' file names
Mark, Yes, I downloaded your example stack...thank you. The only problem is, I was doing the 'resource' method before... then I realized that MetaCard was not copying files properly in OSX. I had to revert to using Applescript (gag!). In Windows, I had to use 'shell' commands to accomplish the same. I haven't checked if new fonts are recognized or not using the 'resource' way...I will look at it again. JR > On Wednesday, July 2, 2003, at 09:13 AM, RCS wrote: > > > Does anyone know how to get 'real' file names (as opposed to 'DOS' > > filenames) in Windows? > > > > This is related to installing fonts, which I see that I must modify the > > registry to have new fonts recognized...but the 'key' is the long name > > of > > the font. Do I really need to parse the font file data looking for > > this? > > > > > > JR, > > We have been marketing our fonts for over a year now. To meet those > needs, we created a simple font installer (available through RevNet). > Our installer simply copies the fonts into the users fonts folder. > Nothing has been done to the registry to make them show up in every > application on the system. I am not aware of why modifying the > registry would be needed. We have had zero complaints from our users. > I am interested to hear your thoughts though. > > > Best regards, > Mark Talluto > http://www.canelasoftware.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
'Real' file names in Windows
Does anyone know how to get 'real' file names (as opposed to 'DOS' filenames) in Windows? This is related to installing fonts, which I see that I must modify the registry to have new fonts recognized...but the 'key' is the long name of the font. Do I really need to parse the font file data looking for this? Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: a new problem with standalone (J. Landman Gay)
(defaultfolder) I had to give up using this method (because of Linux actually). Your best bet is to get the long id of your startup stack, and parse the location from there...works without fail. 'DefaultFolder' in Linux reports the default 'user' folder, which has nothing to do with the engine folder. JR > > > > Please, couldn´t You give me a hint, how to get the files? > > The files returns a file list for the current defaultfolder. When a > standalone starts up, the defaultfolder is the same as the one > containing the standalone. I just made a test application and it seems > to work fine. Does your script change the defaultfolder (also called > "the directory") before getting the files? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > > > > --__--__-- > > ___ > metacard mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard > > > End of metacard Digest > > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Font Installer
Mark, I would be interested in your font installer! > 1. Is highly geared towards our needs, but you can modify to suite > your needs. Does this mean you would release the code? All I really needed was the 'magic incantation' to get newly installed fonts recognized by the OS...Windows and Mac. Linux is for another day... JR > I have made a font installer that we use for our font products. If you > or anyone would like a copy I can make it available via revnet. > > Pros: > 1. Installs fonts on either Mac or Win > 2. You can registration number protect the installer so only your > users can install fonts > 3. Could be modified to install other files as well with a little > extra work. > 4. Is commented pretty well. No docs for it though. > > Negatives: > 1. Is highly geared towards our needs, but you can modify to suite > your needs. > > > > Best regards, > Mark Talluto > http://www.canelasoftware.com > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Installing fonts - Windows weirdness
Thanks Ken... These are .ttf (TrueType) fonts...I am also starting to discover the 'fun' involved with installing things in Linux too! JR > From: "Ken Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Installing fonts - Windows weirdness > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:29:28 -0500 > Organization: Sons of Thunder Software > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > JR, > > What kind of fonts are they (TrueType, OpenType, PostScript)? If you > don't know, post the names of the files you're trying to install. > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Installing fonts - Windows weirdness
I have a strange problem when installing fonts on Windows computers. The fonts will install correctly (just copying them from a 'source' folder to the 'Fonts' folder) but the system will not recognize them...even after restart. The strange thing is, when I go to the fonts folder (checking if they are there), they are now 'seen' by the system (I guess openning the folder is refreshing something?). Is there something else I am supposed to do? Thanks for any help, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Broadcast?
Thanks Dar. I thought that is what I did (for UDP), and MC went into oblivion for about 2 minutes (and didn't broadcast). I will try it again... open datagram socket to "255.255.255.255" This works for other UDP IP addresses, but maybe this is incorrect? JR > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 16:49:39 -0600 > Subject: Re: broadcast? > From: Dar Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Saturday, June 7, 2003, at 04:30 PM, RCS wrote: > > > Has anyone been able to do a broadcast message using TCP sockets or > > UDP? How > > did you do it? > > No broadcast for TCP. Use UDP. > > Use 255.255.255.255 as your ip destination address in open. > > Or, better yet, use the subnet broadcast address. For example if your > subnet is 10.50.0.0 with mask 255.255.0.0 then use 10.50.255.255 as > your broadcast address. > > I have seen my OS X translate 255.255.255.255 to a subnet broadcast on > my primary adaptor. My XP (or was it W2K?) did not. Perhaps there > will be a difference in behavior only if there is more than one subnet > on the LAN. I'm not sure what happens when you have more than one > adaptor and you use 255.255.255.255 as the address. > > Accept as usual (remember to close UDP these days). Send as usual. I > don't know if the new ability to reply to UDP will work with > broadcast--that would be cool. > > Dar Scott > Mostly-Lurking Revolution User > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
broadcast?
Has anyone been able to do a broadcast message using TCP sockets or UDP? How did you do it? Thank you, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Step Over = Step Into
Could someone please verify if the 'Step Over' script debugging feature works (any platform, any version). It just seems to act like 'Step Into' for me... Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
communication from a web browser
Can someone please point me in the right direction for any information about communication with Metacard from a typical web browser? I imagine that I will have to do 'GET' and 'POST' commands or something, but I thought I would post here first so anyone could stop me (or encourage me) before I have wasted too much time on this... Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
RE: Script commands? - I meant Script Debugging commands
Sorry about that...I wasn't very specific. I want to build a 'better mousetrap'. I have some ideas to improve script debugging, and I can only get so far without any documentation (or help!). There is nothing in the MetaCard reference, but I know they are there... Example: traceReturn Does this set something in MetaCard to parse the 'following lines' of code together as a whole? In other words, you cannot 'step' through each line of code by using the 'do' or 'debugdo'...it will just trigger each line, and stop at lines that make no sense (i.e. 'if', 'else', 'end if'). It doesn't seem to do anything for me... Are these commands in there for us to play with? Am I venturing into forbidden territory? Thanks for any info, John Rule > From: "Ken Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Script commands? > Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:13:10 -0600 > Organization: Sons of Thunder Software > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When you say "control Script execution", what do you mean? Do you mean > conditionals (like "if", "repeat", etc.)? Or something else? > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Script commands?
Are there, or are there NOT commands for us to use to control Script execution? Actually, I know there are, but there is no reference to them in the MetaCard online docs. Is there something that exists? Thank you, John Rule ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: standalone_builder
Here is a link to the standalone builder mod on my server: http://www.rcsprogramming.com/data/standalone_builder.zip JR > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 08:04:40 -0800 > Subject: Re: Standalone Builder mod > From: Ray Horsley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I'd love to see this but when I click your link I'm taken to a Yahoo page > which asks me for a user name and password. How do I get to the Stand Alone > Profile stack from there? > > > Ray Horsley > Developer, LinkIt! Software > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
answer file problem - never mind
I got it... - Original Message - From: "RCS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 8:14 AM Subject: answer file problem > I can't seem to set the directory I want for the 'answer file' dialog. Even > though the defaultFolder (or directory) is something else, MetaCard will > always start with it's own folder (Windows 98 - 2.4.3). > > Thanks, > JR > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
answer file problem
I can't seem to set the directory I want for the 'answer file' dialog. Even though the defaultFolder (or directory) is something else, MetaCard will always start with it's own folder (Windows 98 - 2.4.3). Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Standalone Builder mod
I got tired of reconstructing my stand-alone builds, so I modified the Standalone Builder to load and save 'profiles'. The two stacks it took are now combined into one. You can download it from my Yahoo 'Metacard' group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/metacard/files/standalone_builder.zip Read the latest post to that group for details about the mod... Enjoy! JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Custom cursors
Is editing cursors actually working in 2.4.3? I just wasted too much time trying to 'tweak' some of the cursors in the "Cursors" stack of my application. Part of the problem is MetaCard is getting confused whose stack I am editing (even if I open the "Cursors" stack directly from the 'Components' of my stack) since MetaCard has it's own internal stack called "Cursors". Aside from that, using the pencil tool is confusing. No matter what I used for the background, I could not get a transparent 'color' for the cursor. I used other cursors as a reference (using the same background they had) but it would not work. I would also like to know if anyone has successfully used different sized (or even 'color') cursors...we're supposed to be able to use any image, right? Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Windows CE?
What ever happened to Windows CE compatibility for MetaCard? Anything? Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Resizing an animated gif
Does anyone know of a way to resize an animated gif? All of the techniques that work on regular gifs do not work on an animated gif...I can understand why though. I have tried stopping the animation on frame 1 and getting the imageData, but it is just garbage...it would be OK to just get one frame (I don't need to resize the actual animation...but that would be nice!). Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
re: forced to use Applescript - hope
This is kind of how this thread started. I had an awesome routine for copying files and folder that would not work under OSX. It was traced down to the file type and creator signatures, and Scott is aware...I thought they did away with type and creator? I will just be glad when I don't have to wait for Applescript to 'kick in' to copy a few files...maybe that is just OS9 though. Windows is fine. JR > Actually this is a bad idea under OSX. Even though this is a perfect > solution for copying some files, many files and applications in OSX > still have resource info attached to them. I'm stuck with 5gigs of > data that I am slowly resurrecting by reseting the file creators etc. > (no backup). > Anyhow, if you want to use the command line to copy files around, a > PERFECTLY SOUND solution as Brian points out, you need to use the > following command instead: > ditto -rsrcFork /Users /Volumes/OtherPartition/Users > Do a man on ditto to learn more. ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Scrollbars on groups
Is there a procedure for setting the color for a scrollbar on a group? It seems like I can get the colors I want on a field scrollbar, but group scrollbars have a mind of their own... Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
re: What drive am I running from?
Thanks Klaus! JR > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 19:16:06 +0100 > Subject: Re: What drive am I running from? > From: Klaus Major <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi JR, > > > Does anyone know how to determine what drive your application is > > rinning > > from in OSX? You do not get the full path when you do a > > defaultDirectory on > > startup...the drive is missing! > > > > If you are going to suggest that I do a 'get drives' and parse all of > > the > > folders on all of the drives until I figure it out...well, you know > > what I > > would say to that. > > Thank you? ;-) > > Try this: > > function where_am_i >set the itemdel to "/" >return item 3 of the effective filename of this stack > end where_am_i > > Works fine here... > > > Thanks, > > JR > > Have a nice weekend. > > Regards > > > Klaus Major > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
What drive am I running from -- never mind
Sometimes you just don't know where to look in the docs... I suppose 'Directory' will do the trick. JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
What drive am I running from?
Does anyone know how to determine what drive your application is rinning from in OSX? You do not get the full path when you do a defaultDirectory on startup...the drive is missing! If you are going to suggest that I do a 'get drives' and parse all of the folders on all of the drives until I figure it out...well, you know what I would say to that. ;-) Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: forced to use AppleScript
Thanks Brian, I will try it.
It does not solve my OS9 problem, however...
My only question is, if the copy routines are so different for each platform
(or there is some kind of 'trick or 'quirk'), why isn't that explained in
more detail in the docs?
JR
>
> Why not use shell() on OS X?
>
> get shell("cp -R /MyFolder/MyApp.app /AnotherFolder/MyAppCopy.app")
>
> Brian
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Forced to use Applescript
What started this 'copying files' rant for me was the fact that I MUST use AppleScript to copy 'Application' files on the Mac...here's why (and tell me if I am wrong): *Note: When I say copying an Application file, I mean the data and resource fork, and doing a copyResource if you have to, as well as type and creator. Copying any 'Application' file using either 'open/write/close as binFile' or 'URL binFile:' will trash the custom icon property. And you cannot set that with MetaCard. You can set some flags, but not that one... Test: Copy your stand-alone that has your custom icon. You cannot copy Application' files in OSX using ANY MetaCard method...MetaCard sees '.app' files as folders. That is also why you cannot create an 'alias' to an 'Application' file (i.e .app package) using 'create alias' in MetaCard. Test: Do a "put files" on a directory in OSX that has files (both documents and Application files) and folders...you won't see any '.app' files like 'iTunes'. But you will if you do a 'put folders'. Windows works fine...it took me a few hours. I have a really high speed interface that I am proud of. As far as OS9 and OSX...I have been grappling with this AppleScript BS for a few days now, and the final result stnks. I have an Apple dialog that pops up for every file and folder I am copying. Lame... The only thing that didn't work using native MetaCard routines in OSX was copying the 'Mach-O' resource from an '.app' package. There was some kind of corruption going on, and I couldn't track it down any further than to the Metacard engine itself. This is all using MetaCard 2.4.3 by the way. OSX 10.1.5 OS 9.2.1 Windows 98SE JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
create alias does not work in WIndows?
I can get it to work in Mac OS9 (I havn't tried OSX yet) but the same line of code in Windows (98SE right now) produces a file that goes to nowhere and has no icon... JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
re: copying files
Thank you for the responses to my 'copying files' with Applescript request! I think I get it now... ;-) JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
copying files
I have looked everywhere! Could somebody PLEASE tell me how to copy a file using Applescript in MetaCard? An example unsing shell would be much appreciated too...it does not have to be extensive (I am doing error checking before and after the actual copy). I just need to use something other than the built in copy routines in Metacard. It is very frustrating to not have any reference in MetaCard on how to integrate these external scritping capabilities. There are too many unanswered questions to NOT have something...for instance: HOW do I integrate Applescript?! Do I use the exact same structure as the Applescript editor? I did notice ONE brief mention in the MetaCard reference about using the 'do' command with other languages...that's IT! I am getting the impression that I need to replace the "/" delimiter for files with ":". Do I also replace the "/" at the beginning of file references that MetaCard uses with the ":"? Is there a 'result' for any errors that AppleScript encounters? Sorry for my frustration, but I have been to quite a few Applescript web sites last nite and this morning to no avail. The AppleScript Language Guide from Apple's site (and the Internet) seems to be gone, so I have NO reference... Thank you, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: copying packages in OSX
> Just a thought without seeing your scripts: are you using "binfile:" URLs to > reference the files? > Brian I am using binary to read and write the files, and it is actually working correctly (I can copy 'almost' any package)...it just doesn't work with stand-alone 'packages' created with Metacard (actually just the MetaCardCarbonMach-O file in the MacOS folder). I wrote an email to support describing what I discovered... > Why are you trying to copy an OS X package? Perhaps there is a better way to > accomplish what you're trying to do... > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software I want to get this to work with the method that I am using, and I do not want to use Applescript for two reasons: - Apple is notorious for dropping support on things. - There is no Applescript in Windows. Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
copying packages in OSX
Has anyone been able to successfully copy an OSX package with MetaCard scripting (no Applescript). I am close. I get all of the files (the package list, contents folder, icons, etc), and I even get the .app icon...but something is still not right. I can open the list in the list editor, and everything looks right, and I can view the icons as well. Double-clicking the application icon starts it up, but it never finishes (doesn't crash though). When I compare the file sizes (original and copy) I see no difference, but going back to OS9, and using ResEdit, I do notice that some of my files have garbage in the 'Creator' (the 'Type' is empty). In the 'good' file, these are supposed to be empty...changing this and saving the file does not work of course. Any info is appreciated, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Getting a files icon...
Is there any way to get a files icon from MetaCard? There is nothing in the 'detailed files', and I do not see anything obvious in the docs... Thank you, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Alias - never mind
I looked through the docs again...and there it was! JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Alias?
I am sure this has been covered, but evidently, nobody told me... How do you do an alias (or shortcut)? I do not see any function that would allow me to do anything like this... Thanks, RCS ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Set custom Icon property - Mac OS9
Is there a way to set the custom icon propety of a file to TRUE on Mac OS9? The problem is, when I copy a file and it's resources, the resulting files icon reverts to the internal reference... I did see that 'some' of the flag properties are supported...but not the one I want! Maybe it is undocumented? Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: say it isn't so
Thanks for the replies and the code example...I guess I was just complaining. If I parse the files in a repeat (checking the first item in each line) and exit when I find it, it is fast enough. Sometimes I think in terms of 'toolbox' calls that we used to have to do direct manipulation on stuff... JR > RCS wrote: > > > Do I really have to do a 'files' function, and 'walk' through all of the > > files (possibly hundreds) in the list until I find the one I am intereted in > > just to get the file 'type' and 'creator' on a Mac? > > Not if you have a couple minutes to turn it into a one-liner: > > function fwMacFileType pPath > local tSaveDir, tShortFileName, tFileList, tLine, tType > -- > put the directory into tSaveDir > set the itemdel to "/" > put the last item of pPath into tShortFileName > delete last item of pPath > set the directory to pPath > put the detailed files into tFileList > put lineoffset(cr&urlEncode(tShortFileName)&comma, cr&tFileList&comma) > into tLine > if tLine > 0 then > set the itemdel to comma > put last item of line tLine of tFileList into tType > end if > set the directory to tSaveDir > return tType > end fwMacFileType > > > --__--__-- > > Well, it depends how do you know which file you are interested in. If > you know the file name up front, then you can fetch the info > directly. Otherwise, if you use some rules to determine which file is > THE one to check, then I see no other way. Of course, you may be able > to use your determination rules to either sort or search through the > list of filenames to bring those of interest to top or extract them > from the list, thus reducing your investigation to a subset of files. > > Robert > > --__--__-- > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Say it isn't so
Do I really have to do a 'files' function, and 'walk' through all of the files (possibly hundreds) in the list until I find the one I am intereted in just to get the file 'type' and 'creator' on a Mac? Please say it isn't so... JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
re: cgi scripting
Thanks Andu...here is the 'analyzed' packet from the device to the server (I
used CommView...minus the hex info):
GET /cgi/input.cgi?INPUT=RGB1&lang=e&x=39&y=11 HTTP/1.0..Accept: image/gif ,
image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, application/msword, */*..Referer:
http://192.168.4.9/base_e.htm..Accept-Language: en-us..User-Agent:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98)..Host:
192.168.4.9..Connection: Keep-Alive
('INPUT=RGB1' is the actual 'command' or syntax)
The server responds with :
HTTP/1.0 2 OK..Server: Dahlia/1.0.9a..Connection: Keep-Alive..
And the very next packet is:
Content-Type: text/html
When I try to send this information, the server responds, but instead of
'OK', there is an 'ERROR 400' or something...and obviously it does not do
anything to the device.
I hope this makes sense...
(This is a web browser based interface to get the status of a device on the
network...from IE or Netscape, etc.).
Thanks,
John (RCS)
> --On Wednesday, January 29, 2003 11:18:34 -0800 RCS
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just thought I would post this in the hopes that someone has already
> > worked this out:
> >
> > I need to respond to a device that has a simple server (a network
> > appliance). The server needs to be 'fed' cgi responses (i.e. GET or
POST),
> > and I have 'analyzed' the device that I am trying to emulate for the
> > format (basically a web interface from within a browser). I have the
> > format that the device is sending, but it has information embedded that
I
> > do not think is relevant to me (referrer: Mozilla, etc.). So when I
> > simply send this 'GET' command from an open socket (port 80) from
> > MetaCard, I get a response from the server, but it tells me there is an
> > error in the format.
> >
> > I suppose my question is: when replying to a server in this
manner...who
> > should I say the referrer is? Do I need this? I know I need to read up
on
> > cgi scripting, but I thought this might be a simple procedure...
>
> It is simple when you know it, why don't you post what exactly the server
> sends and what your script replies, you give no "helpful" information.
>
> >
> > Thanks for any info,
> > RCS
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cgi scripting and MetaCard
Hello, I just thought I would post this in the hopes that someone has already worked this out: I need to respond to a device that has a simple server (a network appliance). The server needs to be 'fed' cgi responses (i.e. GET or POST), and I have 'analyzed' the device that I am trying to emulate for the format (basically a web interface from within a browser). I have the format that the device is sending, but it has information embedded that I do not think is relevant to me (referrer: Mozilla, etc.). So when I simply send this 'GET' command from an open socket (port 80) from MetaCard, I get a response from the server, but it tells me there is an error in the format. I suppose my question is: when replying to a server in this manner...who should I say the referrer is? Do I need this? I know I need to read up on cgi scripting, but I thought this might be a simple procedure... Thanks for any info, RCS ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Great movie!
Your movie answered at least a dozen questions I was getting ready to post... Thanks Mark! JR > > How do I change the 'MetaCard' default menu in a Mac OSX stand-alone > > to (my > > Application name) or anything else? I have tried a few menu > > definitions, but > > it seems like this is permanent...is it? > > > > I really wish we could define information for stand-alones like we can > > in > > Windows...this is frustrating. :-( > > > > Thanks, > > JR > > > > > > Take a look at my mute video. It may be of some help: > http://www.clearsoftware.com/iconmovie.mov > > > > > Best regards, > Mark Talluto > http://www.canelasoftware.com > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Thanks for the detailed response!
Thanks Ken! It's nice to know the details...no matter how ugly they are. Nice web-site too...many helpful bits and pieces. JR > How do I change the 'MetaCard' default menu in a Mac OSX stand-alone to (my > Application name) or anything else? I have tried a few menu definitions, but > it seems like this is permanent...is it? > > I really wish we could define information for stand-alones like we can in > Windows...this is frustrating. :-( > > Thanks, > JR > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > From: "Ken Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Metacard menu in OSX stand-alone > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:15:57 -0600 > Organization: Sons of Thunder Software > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Well, it's a long story. But the short form is this - the name of the > application that is used to display the application menu name in OS X is > stored in the info.pList file that is inside the "Contents" folder of the > application bundle (to see it, control-click on your MC app and choose "Show > Package Contents", then double-click on the "Contents" folder). If you open > that file in a text editor, you will see a bunch of XML, and near the middle > you'll see: > > CFBundleName > MetaCard > > change the to the name of your app, save the file, and the next > time you launch it, it will have your app name in the Application Menu. But > remember I said it was a long story? There's more to personalizing an MC > standalone than just this. Take a look at my "Understanding Processes" tip > at http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/metacard/metacard.htm?proc005 to see > what I mean... > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Metacard menu in OSX stand-alone
How do I change the 'MetaCard' default menu in a Mac OSX stand-alone to (my Application name) or anything else? I have tried a few menu definitions, but it seems like this is permanent...is it? I really wish we could define information for stand-alones like we can in Windows...this is frustrating. :-( Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
RE: New Group Info?
Yes, 'create group' does indeed create an empty group, and return the id in the variable 'it'. The 'group' command also creates a new group, but it does not return anything. The 'group' command is better because you can select several objects, call 'group', and create a new group with the selected controls all in one shot...but you have no reference to what the id of the new group is. The id that is assigned using 'group' is the very next id in line for groups, so I suppose you could call 'create group'...get that id...call 'group'...and then use the next id for your group (and delete the other group afterwards). I detest workarounds though... JR > Message: 9 > From: "Ken Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: New Group info? > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:27:26 -0600 > Organization: Sons of Thunder Software > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > JR, > > Here's what I tried that worked for me - see if you can get it to do the > same thing: > > on mouseUp > create group > put the long id of it > end mouseUp > > => This put "group id 1001 of ..." in the message box. > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > > - Original Message - > From: "RCS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:22 PM > Subject: New Group info? > > > > Hello, > > > > I do not seem to be able to get any information when a new group is > > created (in the variable 'it' or anything else). I also tried handling the > > 'newGroup' message to no avail (using 'it', 'selObj', selectedObjects', > > etc.). > > > > Thanks, > > JR > > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
New Group info?
Hello, I do not seem to be able to get any information when a new group is created (in the variable 'it' or anything else). I also tried handling the 'newGroup' message to no avail (using 'it', 'selObj', selectedObjects', etc.). Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Hide menubar on Mac?
Is there a way to hide the menubar on the Mac in OSX? I use the 'Bartender' Control Panel for OS9 (it is a little flaky though). Why doesn't MetaCard hide the menubar on the Mac? It works great on Windows... Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Hide menubar on Mac - never mind!
I did a 'Google' search and found a MetaCard digest at 'theFAQchest.com'...it seems that you have to manually do it for the Mac. It works though...that's all that matters! JR - Original Message - From: "RCS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 6:48 PM Subject: Hide menubar on Mac? > Is there a way to hide the menubar on the Mac in OSX? I use the 'Bartender' > Control Panel for OS9 (it is a little flaky though). > > Why doesn't MetaCard hide the menubar on the Mac? It works great on > Windows... > > Thanks, > JR > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Scrollbar rudeness
I was trying to do a simple calculation within a 'scrollBarDrag' when I realized that the numberFormat seems to be 'fixed' as '0.#' (or so) within this handler. I can get the thumbPosition as a number without this resolution (i.e. no numbers to the right of the decimal point) and the number I am adding is simply 300 (this number varies). So adding 300 + (the thumbPosition of me) was resulting in numbers like '303.01112' no matter what. Yes, I tried many different numberFormats for the object setting itself with no effect. If I 'put the thumbPosition of me && 300' from within the handler just to see if the thumbPosition was giving me this resolution, I would get '3 300' as you would expect (no decimal place). It was the 'addition' of these two numbers within the handler that was creating the anomoly... Solution: I had to 'put round (300 + (the thumbPosition of me)) into myNum' to get it to work. Is that the way it is supposed to work? This is strange...if not rude. ;-) JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
DrawString equivalent?
Does anyone know of a way to quickly draw text on the screen without creating an object? I am thinking of the old Macintosh ToolBox 'DrawString" function (or 'textBox') that allowed you to just draw a text string anywhere on the screen. I would like to use this for information 'on the fly', and the circumstances would be different enough that there could not be an existing object that I could use (i.e. a field, button, etc.) Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
backDrop?
Anybody? mouseDownInbackDrop and mouseUpInBackDrop do not seem to be happening (in 2.4.3) Windows or Mac... Could someone please verify... JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
re: mouse in backDrop
I think you misunderstood...I am referring to backDrop messages. When you
click in the backDrop, you are supposed to get a message (either
mouseDownInBackDrop or mouseUpInBackDrop).
JR
> RCS wrote:
>
> > I cannot get a message to the current card (or stack, or anything) for
> > either mouseDownInBackdrop or mouseUpInBackdrop. I thought I tried
> > everything...but evidently not the right thing! I am only setting the
> > backdrop with a color, no pattern or image.
>
> Set the backgroundBehavir property of the group to true, then it will
> respond to the normal messages ("mouseUp", "mouseDown", etc).
>
> --
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mouse in backDrop
What is the trick? I cannot get a message to the current card (or stack, or anything) for either mouseDownInBackdrop or mouseUpInBackdrop. I thought I tried everything...but evidently not the right thing! I am only setting the backdrop with a color, no pattern or image. Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Another round of applause...
I have to mention this again...I am very pleased with the execution speed of the MetaCard engine (on all platforms). And I am soo glad I have this alternative to other languages. I imagine that Scott has to use the 'real' compiling environments that I found to be so inordinate (Code Warrior), so lets have another round of applause... ;-) JR > | >>> So ! MC as far so fast than Pascal ! Is'nt it great ? And, thanks again > | >>> to Scott, for that too ! > | >> > | >> It's enough to make a Java programmer cry. ;) > | > > | > Java ? Help me to remember... Are you speaking, Richard, in about this > | > dead marketed toy that crashes any time he search some more ram to eat ? ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
timeout (or 'force-quit') for 'open socket' needed
More specifically, I would like to 'force-quit' (from a script) a request to open a socket. I can get the effect I want by doing a 'Control-Period', but that does not work from a script. It seems like you do have the control from your engine to abandon this OS request...I would just like to be able to control it from my program too. Would there really be any harm in requesting an open socket from the OS, but if I do not get a response within 5 seconds, just abort? Even if the OS responds (one or two minutes later!), I have already moved on to something else (i.e. trying another socket). It's like trying to go to URL from your browser, but pressing the STOP button (because it is taking forever), and moving on to another URL. Eventually the targeted URL may respond, but you are already 'gone'. I can't imagine what it would be like if my browser forced me to complete each call to a URL...I would be drinking way too much coffee, that is for sure! ;-) I just can't see a customer sitting in front of the computer for that long before they realize that the device they want to communicate with is not responding (power off, wrong IP, not connected, etc.). Since I cannot even 'ping' the device without opening a socket first, I too am subject to this 'waiting' from the program...so I see no way around this. Thanks, JR > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:21:16 -0700 (MST) > From: Scott Raney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Invalid socket connect timeout? > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 "RCS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is there a way to set the time that the internal MetaCard engine takes to > > 'try' to open a socket? I have found that if a socket is not valid (or the > > host is not on the network) MetaCard will try to connect for up to one > > minute until it returns a socketError...is this normal? > > It'd be helpful to have the platform and the script you used for > reports like this. > > The only problem I know of in this area is that "open socket .. with > message" doesn't work right if a connection fails on MacOS. This has > already been fixed for 2.5 alpha 7. In general, though, this sort of > thing unfortunately is never going to work as well on MacOS (including > OS X) as it does on Win32 and UNIX because of limitations in the way > OpenTransport and the underlying socket implementation works (indeed, > even the standard UNIX utilities like ping and telnet take a long time > to time out compared with the equivalents on Win32 and other UNIX > platforms). In some specific cases, specifically failed DNS lookups, > that 60 second timeout is actually hard-coded into the OS and so is > not anything we can change without writing a whole bunch of new code > so that we don't have to rely on OS routines to do these lookups. > Regards, > Scott > > > Thanks, > > JR > > > Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com > MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
socketTimeoutInterval is NOT for connecting
I use 'socketTimeoutInterval' quite often...but that is for reading and writing to a socket that is already open. I am looking for a timeout setting for 'connecting' to a socket. If I use 'open socket' to connect to a device that is either offline (or invalid), I would like to set a time out of 5 or 10 seconds (the device usually responds in 1) instead of the default 1 minute. I can only get so many cups of coffee in a day you know... Of course, I may be missing something ;-) You may reprimand me at your leisure... JR > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:17:30 +0100 > From: Pierre Sahores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Invalid socket connect timeout? > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > RCS a écrit : > > > > Is there a way to set the time that the internal MetaCard engine takes to > > 'try' to open a socket? I have found that if a socket is not valid (or the > > host is not on the network) MetaCard will try to connect for up to one > > minute until it returns a socketError...is this normal? > > > > Thanks, > > JR > > > > Try >> set the socketTimeoutInterval to "10" > -- > Cordialement, Pierre Sahores > ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Invalid socket connect timeout?
Is there a way to set the time that the internal MetaCard engine takes to 'try' to open a socket? I have found that if a socket is not valid (or the host is not on the network) MetaCard will try to connect for up to one minute until it returns a socketError...is this normal? Thanks, JR ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
