Re: Sockets vs. POST
This is the sort of thing that you need to do with matching genetic sequences, so I'm sure the algorithms are out there ... Sounds like a job for GREP! (which MetaCard does natively) I think it's a bit more complicated than that -:) I mean before you start testing you don't know what to match with what - where do you start? This has been sorted out, so I figure it's not worth thinking about too hard. Best probably to wait for Xavier to come back with an algorithm (if he's listening -:) NB: five times the hosting costs for a dedicated server works out the same price for 5 people if my maths is right. If you include me that leaves 3 more @ $20 a month. What are you driving at? Ford Mondeo? I surmise that you are suggesting that five people get together and pitch in 20$ each pr month, for hosting services from a dedicated server. Is this correct? Will this service-provider host MetaCard CGI programs? Any restrictions? ... More details please. Collocation - there are quite a few major providers offering a dedicated raq server, running Linux for $99 a month. So yes to all the above. For CGI hosting, Simon Lord is setting up a service for Metacard CGI's, and if I remember correctly accounts start are arranged geometrically at around $12.50 a month. Running your own dedicated MC server with the ability to define your own ports and nice simple protocols is another matter - for this you have to have a dedicated server (not a shared solution). As above these come in bigger chunks (ie around 5 times the price of a shared solution). This usually includes around 5 times the disk space, and dedicated processing power, but not a lot of help (you deal with it your self remotely). I don't have personal experience running one of these, so anyone please chip in and correct me... Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
RE: Sockets vs. POST
Collocation - there are quite a few major providers offering a dedicated raq server, running Linux for $99 a month. I'm in ;-) But there is also a cheaper company than this. For 25 pounds (after a setup fee) a company named UK2.net will give you a dedicated 10.2 GB Cobalt Raq3 server. What would that be $40-45? Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Sockets vs. POST
While working on some routines to send POST data to CGIs, I'm having some trouble getting the data in the right format... What kind of trouble? Trouble with extracting the posted data ? Trouble with the encoding of 8-bit ASCII chars ? 1. Would it be any easier to take control over the whole transaction by using sockets instead of relying on MC's POST? My first hunch is that it would not... Your hunch is correct. Sockets are much more complicated because they are at a lower level of abstraction, e.g. more details to attend to than would normally be the case when the process is handled for you. ... but it's been a bear dealing with some CGIs. I recommend you duke it out with the CGI protocol some more before giving up on this relatively easy protocol. Unless, of course, you have some very special protocol needs that CGI is not designed to handle or to handle-well. IOW, with sockets, you could create your own custom communication protocol. A protocol that doesn't have all of the un-necessary overhead of CGI, for example. You could conceivably create a protocol custom-made for MetaCard stacks to communicate via the Internet in their own native-tongue. Just a random thought ;-) Alain Farmer mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Sockets vs. POST
While working on some routines to send POST data to CGIs, I'm having some trouble getting the data in the right format... What kind of trouble? Trouble with extracting the posted data ? Trouble with the encoding of 8-bit ASCII chars ? Mostly that the server is reporting that the header contains invalid data. Yesterday's error was that I'm missing a semicolon somewhere, but in reviewing the Interarchy dump I can't find a semicolon present when I use a browser that is not present when I make the same call from MC. :( 1. Would it be any easier to take control over the whole transaction by using sockets instead of relying on MC's POST? My first hunch is that it would not... Your hunch is correct. Sockets are much more complicated because they are at a lower level of abstraction, e.g. more details to attend to than would normally be the case when the process is handled for you. That's encouraging. It seems silly to reproduce the whole protocol just because of header errors. ... but it's been a bear dealing with some CGIs. I recommend you duke it out with the CGI protocol some more before giving up on this relatively easy protocol. Unless, of course, you have some very special protocol needs that CGI is not designed to handle or to handle-well. IOW, with sockets, you could create your own custom communication protocol. A protocol that doesn't have all of the un-necessary overhead of CGI, for example. You could conceivably create a protocol custom-made for MetaCard stacks to communicate via the Internet in their own native-tongue. If only. For this project I need to perform the same calls that a browser makes, only from MC instead of a browser. For all other projects, I'd love to use MC on the server side as well, but I haven't found a shared hosting service that will let me do that. If the only alternative is to quintuple my hosting costs with colocation I'd rather just continue using Perl. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Sockets vs. POST
From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 12:44:10 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sockets vs. POST What kind of trouble? Trouble with extracting the posted data ? Trouble with the encoding of 8-bit ASCII chars ? Mostly that the server is reporting that the header contains invalid data. Yesterday's error was that I'm missing a semicolon somewhere, but in reviewing the Interarchy dump I can't find a semicolon present when I use a browser that is not present when I make the same call from MC. :( What would be really nice is to have something which would analyse tow text files and colourize the bits that differed. This is the sort of thing that you need to do with matching genetic sequences, so I'm sure the algorithms are out there (Xavier -:), but an nice scriptable app would be a boon. Anyone know of one? NB: five times the hosting costs for a dedicated server works out the same price for 5 people if my maths is right. If you include me that leaves 3 more @ $20 a month. I remember reading this thing about those "freeways" in the States, where everyone drives the same speed? Well in California apparently they closed one of the lanes to everyone - save those cars with 4 or more people in them; worked a treat with those willing to share zipping along - getting to work much faster. Any Californians out there? Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Sockets vs. POST
michael kann a crit : I've been using HTTPtracer on Windows to monitor HTTP traffic. It is one of the best designed programs I've ever used. When POSTING data to PWS/ASP/Access I noticed that I could POST from Netscape/Microsoft but not from Metacard. With HTTPtracer I discovered that the POST from Netscape/Microsoft actually goes in two parts. First it POSTS the headers, then it POSTS the data, in a following message. I concluded that Metacard just POSTS once, so the data doesn't get through. Thank's Michael :-) If so, the sockets approach is probably, as Andu wrote previously, the onest way to use to handle "POST" method from within mc. Regards, Pierre --- Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While working on some routines to send POST data to CGIs, I'm having some trouble getting the data in the right format and it's raise two questions: 1. Would it be any easier to take control over the whole transaction by using sockets instead of relying on MC's POST? My first hunch is that it would not, but it's been a bear dealing with some CGIs. 2. Is there any better tool for Mac OS which will let me review all outging and incoming data on port 80 than Interarchy? I find the format of Interarchy's stream dumps awfully noisy, with no evident options for reducing the displayed info to just the stream without all the commentary junk. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. -- Pierre Sahores WEB VPN applications and databases servers Inspection acadmique de la Seine-Saint-Denis Qualifier et produire l'avantage comptitif Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Sockets vs. POST
Richard Gaskin wrote: While working on some routines to send POST data to CGIs, I'm having some trouble getting the data in the right format and it's raise two questions: 1. Would it be any easier to take control over the whole transaction by using sockets instead of relying on MC's POST? Absolutely, you can send a more standards compliant header which some servers may require. Michael Kann thinks that posting the header first makes any difference which I doubt: it appears that way because of the double empty space between the header and body. Make sure you have a crlf after each line in the header and double crlf between the header and body. My first hunch is that it would not, but it's been a bear dealing with some CGIs. 2. Is there any better tool for Mac OS which will let me review all outging and incoming data on port 80 than Interarchy? I find the format of Interarchy's stream dumps awfully noisy, with no evident options for reducing the displayed info to just the stream without all the commentary junk. Interarchy allows you to uncheck any "stuff" you don't want to see: the minimum is data in ascii and hex (on the left side). Thanks in advance - -- Richard Gaskin Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.runrev.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
