Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
On 09/01/2010 10:20 PM, Shari wrote: I just spent three hours trying to build a standalone. I want to make sure I understand what is going on. It cannot be done in Rev or MC 4.0 at all because of some new internal hoohah Rev put into the engine? Rev spit out an error without telling me what caused it, just a bunch of mish mash number sets that looked like RGB color codes. MC said the engine wasn't a valid Metacard engine. I tried so many things I don't remember exactly but as best I could tell, I couldn't even use MC 4.0 with the 3.5 engine. I had to launch MC 3.5 and build with the 3.5 engine. Tired and frustrated and taking a break before I test the build. I had wanted to use a more recent version so that the build would be loving the newest operating systems. I've been doing things in 4.0 but apparently this is the first time I've tried to create a standalone in this version. Utterly miserable at the moment. Umm . . . poor you . . . Well here are a few fairly daft thoughts, but, you never know: 1. What is wrong with building a standalone with the 3.5 engine? Unless you are doing something fancy with the 4.0 graphic capabilities this really shouldn't be here or there. 2. Try and build a MC 4.0 via Jacque Landman Gay's automated setup via RunRev 4 and (new) RevOnline; and then try building with that: probably a better bet than an earlier version of MC with a swapped engine from RunRev 4.0. 3. new internal hoohah; I wonder if you might not be using some sort of coding that was changed between 3.5 and 4? Of course it will be another hoohah searching through the documentation to find all the stuff that has or hasn't been changed between 3.5 and 4.0. 4. I had wanted to use a more recent version so that the build would be loving the newest operating systems. I wouldn't bet on that one. As far as I can tell 3.5 standalones should be OK on Windows XP, V and 7, Mac 10.3.9 onwards and recent Linux distros. Love, Richmond. ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
On 09/01/2010 10:20 PM, Shari wrote: I just spent three hours trying to build a standalone. I want to make sure I understand what is going on. It cannot be done in Rev or MC 4.0 at all because of some new internal hoohah Rev put into the engine? Rev spit out an error without telling me what caused it, just a bunch of mish mash number sets that looked like RGB color codes. MC said the engine wasn't a valid Metacard engine. I tried so many things I don't remember exactly but as best I could tell, I couldn't even use MC 4.0 with the 3.5 engine. I had to launch MC 3.5 and build with the 3.5 engine. Tired and frustrated and taking a break before I test the build. I had wanted to use a more recent version so that the build would be loving the newest operating systems. I've been doing things in 4.0 but apparently this is the first time I've tried to create a standalone in this version. Utterly miserable at the moment. Possibly the quickest way to get some reasonable sort of reply to your question is to post to the RunRev Use-List rather than the Metacard one. ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
On 9/1/10 2:20 PM, Shari wrote: I just spent three hours trying to build a standalone. I want to make sure I understand what is going on. It cannot be done in Rev or MC 4.0 at all because of some new internal hoohah Rev put into the engine? Rev spit out an error without telling me what caused it, just a bunch of mish mash number sets that looked like RGB color codes. Those are uninterpreted error codes, which the IDE usually looks up for you but the standalone builder does not. If you have the Rev browser plugin installed you can look them up here: http://jacque.on-rev.com/codebits/dualrevlets.irev Just look up the first number in the first line, that's usually the important one. If you don't have the plugin, you can get the list from Rev itself: get the cErrorsList of card 1 of stack revErrorDisplay -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
Possibly the quickest way to get some reasonable sort of reply to your question is to post to the RunRev Use-List rather than the Metacard one. Richmond, I only attempted a build in Rev after the MC attempt gave an error. I do everything in MC so I came here first hoping for an MC fix. The 3.5 build worked. Hopefully you are right and it plays nice with all the most recent operating systems. I will try your suggestion for building MC 4.0 with Jacque's setup. My code hasn't changed significantly. The only thing I changed with this release was to add/delete a couple of menu items that go to websites. Deleted websites I no longer own and added my new ones and added a very simple button that also goes to a website. I guess it's been awhile since I released a new version. It seemed like all I was doing was updating one game over and over and I felt like I was spinning my wheels too much on one thing. So I started working on a different game that won't come out for a long while plus writing the book. (see my sig line for the book :-) Shari -- Bad Dog to Best Friend paperback and Kindle book http://books.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
Jacques, Thank you for the URL. From some of what I was reading about the whole 4.0+ change, I got the impression that there may come a time when we cannot build standalones in Metacard. So it would be good to know how to do it in Rev. I've never successfully done it in Rev as Rev doesn't like my stacks and never has. Shari -- Bad Dog to Best Friend paperback and Kindle book http://books.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
On 9/1/10 5:08 PM, Shari wrote: Jacques, Thank you for the URL. From some of what I was reading about the whole 4.0+ change, I got the impression that there may come a time when we cannot build standalones in Metacard. So it would be good to know how to do it in Rev. I've never successfully done it in Rev as Rev doesn't like my stacks and never has. So far you're the only one I know of who can't make it work. We don't even get any complaints in the support queue. So there is something about your stacks that's different than the norm. Two things to try. First, tell us what those error codes are and I'll look them up. That should give a clue. Second, if you are including MC resources in your stack, Rev may not like it. Make a copy of one that won't build and, as a test, open it in MC and use the resource mover to remove all MC resources. Save the stack. If the file extension is mc on disk then change it to rev (shouldn't be necessary any more but that used to be a problem.) Open the test stack in Rev, use Standalone Settings to choose some options and platforms, and try a build. If that works, your other attempts were probably getting hung up on the issue where you can't have two stacks with the same name (ask/answer dialogs, most likely.) If that's the problem then the error codes should tell us. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
Second, if you are including MC resources in your stack, Rev may not like it. Make a copy of one that won't build and, as a test, open it in MC and use the resource mover to remove all MC resources. Save the stack. If the file extension is mc on disk then change it to rev (shouldn't be necessary any more but that used to be a problem.) Open the test stack in Rev, use Standalone Settings to choose some options and platforms, and try a build. If that works, your other attempts were probably getting hung up on the issue where you can't have two stacks with the same name (ask/answer dialogs, most likely.) If that's the problem then the error codes should tell us. Yes, that's what tripped me up in the past. My stacks have the Ask/Answer already in them but they've been edited. I actually have them named xAsk, xAnswer and xExecution Error and rename them on standalone launch. Newer projects were done differently and don't even use Ask/Answer anymore because of the Rev issue but I really didn't want to go back and redo older projects. They already have a lengthy update to-do list :-) In looking thru the substacks I also see File Selector, Moved Icons, libUrl and Cursors, none of which I've edited so they could be removed and put back in on build. I remember it mentioning something being already loaded prior to the error window. I think it was File Selector. Let me try removing it (them) and retesting the Rev builder... -- Bad Dog to Best Friend Dog Training Book http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1453683178 Critters, humor, patriots and sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
Two things to try. First, tell us what those error codes are and I'll look them up. That should give a clue. Tried removing all the stacks except xWhatever and I couldn't even launch my stack since it looks for libUrl on launch. So took out just the one I remembered it mentioning and tried but no go. Betting this is a stack already loaded error: 91,783,42 -- Bad Dog to Best Friend Dog Training Book http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1453683178 Critters, humor, patriots and sports t-shirts http://www.villagetshirts.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones AARRGGH
On 9/1/10 6:23 PM, Shari wrote: Two things to try. First, tell us what those error codes are and I'll look them up. That should give a clue. Tried removing all the stacks except xWhatever and I couldn't even launch my stack since it looks for libUrl on launch. So took out just the one I remembered it mentioning and tried but no go. Betting this is a stack already loaded error: 91,783,42 Can't find stack. If you're putting libURL in use, then try taking that out. You can make the same calls without loading the library because Rev loads it for you, in both the IDE and standalones. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones
Shari, Here's some answers... hopefully others will fill in the gaps: Standalone Builder - The Metacard engine, does this mean the Metacard program itself? So I'd have to install all three versions of the program (PPC, Windows and OSX) to access those engines to build from? The only thing I can find to attach is the actual Metacard program, that I double click on to launch Metacard. Yes. You will need to have MetaCard PPC, MetaCard Carbon and mc.exe available to build your three standalones. When you go to build it, point to one of these with the MetaCard Engine field. As I understand it, you can build all three standalones for all three platforms using a Mac (although I've never done it myself - I use a PC to build PC standalones and a Mac to build Mac ones). Standalone Builder - Creator - in Hypercard I always chose to use a custom creator code. Presumably this means the same thing? Yes. Keep in mind that in order for your standalone to have the icon you want (on Mac), you'll need to use ResEdit (or the equivalent) to edit the resource fork and put in your icon. This means it's almost ready to distribute... (very big grin) Congratulations! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones
On Thursday, March 21, 2002, at 08:54 AM, Shari wrote: Questions... Resource Mover dialog - if I DON'T move any resources, and my stack uses items such as the saving stack, those will not be included, or will it just include the entire mctools.mc, or will I need to distribute it with the mctools.mc? If you are going to make a standalone, you will need to at least move over the answer and ask dialogs if you use them. I also use the cursors and icons. These are just stacks that will be added to your program. Resource Mover - my stack doesn't have a resource fork, as I am distributing cross platform, this will not create a resource fork, will it? Only the Mac version will have the resource fork. That is created when the stack is turned into a standalone. The resource mover just brings in important stacks you code may call upon like the answer dialog. You win version will work as expected even if you create it on the Mac. Resource Mover - I open the Resource Mover dialog, then open my stack, click the resources I want to move, click Start Move, and nothing happens. How can I tell if anything was moved? I did not find any new stacks in the substacks menu. Make sure that you have the correct stack labeled in the button at the top of the resource mover. You should have your stack listed there. After you move the resources, if all when well, you will get a message stating so. -Mark Talluto ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones
Standalone Builder - Creator - in Hypercard I always chose to use a custom creator code. Presumably this means the same thing? Yes. Keep in mind that in order for your standalone to have the icon you want (on Mac), you'll need to use ResEdit (or the equivalent) to edit the resource fork and put in your icon. As this is for compiling on Mac, OSX and Windows, a resource fork is out. Attempting a build once, compile three times scenario :-) So presumably I'd just paste the preferred icon in the finder window? I remember in Hypercard, that was not the optimal choice, and I'd go into the resource fork... But the goal is NOT to have a resource fork, so I'm definitely trying to learn a new way for this. Is there a icon id # I can use to embed a custom icon, and have Metacard use it? Or would the goal be to edit the icon stack of Metacard (the one that gets embedded...?) The first standalone builds so far did not work. Got the engine etc. and moved the necessary resources, but the final program failed to function. It never made it out of the splash stack. (It opens a splash stack, then opens a second stack in the splash stack's window, then opens a third stack in a new window. The second and third stack never opened in the standalone, though they open perfectly in the stack. They are embedded into the splash stack.) -- --Shareware Games for the Mac-- http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Building standalones
Shari wrote: As this is for compiling on Mac, OSX and Windows, a resource fork is out. You'll need three different standalones, one for each platform. Since the Mac versions will only run on Macs, having a resource fork is not a problem. MetaCard will always create a resource fork for a Mac standalone anyway -- it has to, since all the MC code resources are there, and Mac applications built for OS 9 and below always require a resource fork. Since the fork is there anyway, there is no problem adding a few more resources of your own. To get a custom icon, go ahead and do it the same way you did in HyperCard. You can edit the icon resources in the resource fork after the build. After building a Windows standalone, there won't be a resource fork. For the Windows build, you will need a pre-prepared icon with very specific properties (16 bit, 4 color, built with a Windows tool usually. I can't get Graphic Converter's ico format to be accecpted by MC.) The Windows icon needs to be specified in the Windows information dialog in the standalone builder, before the build is done. You can't easily add a windows icon to a standalone after the fact, since most tools that can do that look for 32-bit icons and MC doesn't support those (I wish it did.) Another tip for a Windows build: if you don't put anything into each field in the Windows info dialog, you will get MetaCard's defaults after the build. You can substitute a few spaces for actual text if you want the field to look empty. These fields are what people see when they choose Properties on the standalone's contextual menu in Windows. So the general rule is: add Windows resources and information before the build, add Mac resources afterward. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
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As this is for compiling on Mac, OSX and Windows, a resource fork is out. Attempting a build once, compile three times scenario :-) So presumably I'd just paste the preferred icon in the finder window? I remember in Hypercard, that was not the optimal choice, and I'd go into the resource fork... Because all your mac flavors will have a resource fork, you should use it for your icons. On OS X, you have to really dive in there with resedit to get your icons to look just right. But the goal is NOT to have a resource fork, so I'm definitely trying to learn a new way for this. There is no way around not have a resource fork. Your app must have one once it is a standalone. All kinds of data is managed there anyways. MC puts its standard icons there. Is there a icon id # I can use to embed a custom icon, and have Metacard use it? Or would the goal be to edit the icon stack of Metacard (the one that gets embedded...?) On the Win side of things, you can set the icons from within the standalone builder. -Mark Talluto ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
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I've tried to do this before, but can't seem to create an .ico file that will be accepted. (I'm a Mac user, mainly, maybe that add to the mystery for me.) How do you do this? What software and/or process do you use? Do you have to do anything special for XP? On Thursday, March 21, 2002, at 12:48 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: [snip]... Is there a icon id # I can use to embed a custom icon, and have Metacard use it? Or would the goal be to edit the icon stack of Metacard (the one that gets embedded...?) On the Win side of things, you can set the icons from within the standalone builder. -Mark Talluto - Charles --- Charles Buchwald Peregrine New Media Victoria, BC, Canada Boston, MA, USA
Re: Building standalones
Because all your mac flavors will have a resource fork, you should use it for your icons. On OS X, you have to really dive in there with resedit to get your icons to look just right. OSX supports a resource fork? I had heard that it didn't. Though I haven't experienced OSX first hand... -- --Shareware Games for the Mac-- http://www.gypsyware.com ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
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Charles, you need to create a 16-color (NOT 16-bit color, but 16 colors) icon. I use GraphicConverter, which does a wonderful job. Import/open a 32x32 graphic, downsample it to 16 colors, and then save it in "Windows Icon (*.ico)" format. Voila! Ken RaySons of Thunder SoftwareEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ - Original Message - From: Charles To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: Building standalones I've tried to do this before, but can't seem to create an .ico file that will be accepted. (I'm a Mac user, mainly, maybe that add to the mystery for me.)How do you do this?What software and/or process do you use?Do you have to do anything special for XP?On Thursday, March 21, 2002, at 12:48 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: [snip]...Is there a icon id # I can use to embed a custom icon, and have Metacard use it? Or would the goal be to edit the icon stack of Metacard (the one that gets embedded...?)On the Win side of things, you can set the icons from within the standalone builder.-Mark Talluto- Charles---Charles BuchwaldPeregrine New MediaVictoria, BC, CanadaBoston, MA, USA
Re: Building standalones
Shari wrote: Because all your mac flavors will have a resource fork, you should use it for your icons. On OS X, you have to really dive in there with resedit to get your icons to look just right. OSX supports a resource fork? I had heard that it didn't. Though I haven't experienced OSX first hand... Welcome to NeXT -- er, Apple. ;) The NeXT folks that now run much of the OS development wanted to ditch the resource fork altogether. But after much feedback from developers they acquiesced enough to allow the resource for during an unspecified transitional period. Same for creator codes, the long-term future of which is still largely unknown at this time. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Custom Software and Web Development for All Major Platforms Developer of WebMerge 1.9: Publish any Database on Any Site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ metacard mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
