[meteorite-list] Fw: Auctions Ending Today Tomorrow!!!
- Original Message - From: Michael Cottingham To: Michael Cottingham Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:50 AM Subject: Fw: Auctions Ending Today Tomorrow!!! - Original Message - From: Michael Cottingham To: Michael Cottingham Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:48 AM Subject: Auctions Ending Today Tomorrow!!! Hello, This is my last ebay run for awhile and since I will be out on an expedition for sometimeyou might want to check out what I have up now Still over 60 great auctions... go to: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Thanks Best Wishes Michael Cottingham
Re: [meteorite-list] Winona / Canyon Diablo connection
Rhett and List, Winona wasn't the only meteorite interred by the ancient natives. The 2183kg Navajo iron was found buried in talus with Indian beads. Iron was a highly desired material for making tools from. Compared to rocks, iron must have been really space age material to them. There are several iron meteorites here in Arizona that have received separate names even though V.F. Buchwald considered many of them to be fragments of Canyon Diablo that were transported. For those of you that have a copy of Arizona State Universities Catalog of Meteorites, you can read the notations on some of these irons. It's quite possible that many fragments of Canyon Diablo were carried by the pre-historic Indians to a lot different locations. Trading was a common practice among the different tribes in the Southwest, so if the Winona meteorite is found to be similar to Canyon Diablo shale, isn't it a possibility that it was also a transported item? Regards, John Gwilliam At 11:57 PM 3/11/02 -0600, Rhett Bourland wrote: Hi everyone and especially Steve Schoner, Not too long ago there was discussion about a possible connection between the Winona meteorite and the many Canyon Diablos and something just didn't seem right about that but I just couldn't put my finger on it until recently. While from what I've read there certainly could be a connection between the Winonaites and type IA irons I really doubt that Winona and Canyon Diablo fell at the same time. The reasoning behind this is I thought that Winona was a witnessed fall by Anasazi indians. I've read the stories about how the Winona meteorite was found in an indian burial ground wrapped like a small child would be. The understanding behind this was that the indians saw it fall and buried the stone the same way a child would be buried because they thought that it was a dead star which would imply that they saw it fall. Really, how would they be able to recognize it as a meteorite had they not seen it fall? I also remember reading somewhere that this fall probably occurred somewhere around 1100 (please correct me if I'm wrong) which would make this meteorite less than a thousand years old. Does anyone have any data on a possible terrestrial age of this meteorite? I'm guessing that its probally considerably less than the age of Canyon Diablo. Comments anyone? Very respectfully, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Meteorites PO Box 26854 Tempe AZ 85285 http://www.meteoriteimpact.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] whereabouts...
Hi, I have had a mineral dealer asking me if I knew the email for Robert Szep... If you do, please advise off list!! best regards! dave -- In gentle decay, dave IMCA #0092 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) http://www.meteorites.ic24.net/index.html http://www.meteoritecollectors.org I have a proof that x^n+y^n=z^n never has integer solutions for n2. However, it won't fit into my signature file __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Moroccan Fall
Hi folks, I received several individuals and fragments of the new Moroccan fall this afternoon, and couldn't resist quickly grinding a face onto one of the pieces and having a peek inside. This one fell at 16:17 GMT on 11th February.just about the same time that many of us were gathering for the start of Daryll Pitt's meteorite auction in Tucson. Kinda weird timing, don't you think?? It's a very fragile, almost crumbly meteorite that doesn't take a polish at all, so you might have to concentrate hard when looking at the picture I've posted here http://fernlea.tripod.com/newfall.html My largest individual is just over 200g and there are many dinky little, perfectly fusion crusted individuals that resememble the Holbrook Pultusk peas. The matrix had a much higher contrast when it was still wet with alcohol coolant, but it looks very much blander when dry and it can be difficult to see the small brecciation. I think LL6 is a pretty safe bet on this one, but we'll see. Cheers, Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Winona/Canyon Diablo
John Gwilliam wrote: so if the Winona meteorite is found to be similar to Canyon Diablo shale, isn't it a possibility that it was also a transported item? Hello Rhett, John, and List! Unfortunately Winona is so very weathered that no one has determined its terrestrial age yet :-( The o n l y allusion to its age that I could unearth is: ... a find of uncertain age with heavily weathered metal. Reference: HERZOG G.F. et al. (1993) 26Al and 10Be activities of Lodranites and Winona (Meteoritics 28-3, 1993, A362-A363). Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] whereabouts...
Hi, I have had a mineral dealer asking me if I knew the email for Robert Szep... best regards! dave Robert Szep had his internet provider go bankrupt recently and lost his email account and everything associated with it. His new now working address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers DEAN _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
Rob wrote: It's a very fragile, almost crumbly meteorite that doesn't take a polish at all, so you might have to concentrate hard when looking at the picture I've posted here http://fernlea.tripod.com/newfall.html The matrix had a much higher contrast when it was still wet with alcohol coolant, but it looks very much blander when dry and it can be difficult to see the small brecciation. I think LL6 is a pretty safe bet on this one, but we'll see. Hmm! My first-second thought was: Could this be be another diogenite? The greenish tinge of the matrix and its fragile, crumbly matrix that doesn't take a polish at all definitely reminds me of Bilanga. And here is another bet: I BET I'll get a little piece for free from Rob if my guess should prove right because I was the first to recognize it as a diogenite :-) Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Winona/Canyon Diablo
Hi All, To say that Winona is weathered is an understatement. Imagine the rustiest, crustiest pile of fragments loosely bound, just barely overcoming the force of gravity...now apply the term weathered to it and you have Winona. Don't believe me, have a look at this pic. http://aristotle.isu.edu/winona.jpg Cheers, Martin On 3/12/02 9:25 AM, Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Gwilliam wrote: so if the Winona meteorite is found to be similar to Canyon Diablo shale, isn't it a possibility that it was also a transported item? Hello Rhett, John, and List! Unfortunately Winona is so very weathered that no one has determined its terrestrial age yet :-( The o n l y allusion to its age that I could unearth is: ... a find of uncertain age with heavily weathered metal. Reference: HERZOG G.F. et al. (1993) 26Al and 10Be activities of Lodranites and Winona (Meteoritics 28-3, 1993, A362-A363). Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
In a message dated 12/03/02 16:59:20 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm! My first-second thought was: Could this be be another diogenite? The greenish tinge of the matrix and its fragile, crumbly matrix that doesn't take a polish at all definitely reminds me of Bilanga. Hi Bernd, I just took another look under magnification and I'm going to stick with LL6, but I really do hope I'm wrong! :-) I don't like posting ads here usually, but several Listees have emailed me asking for pricing info already.so, for those wanting to take a chance, it's 10.34 GBP ($15.00) per gram across the board for frags and individuals. Cheers, Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
OK, Ok, Ok. With all the new pics and information, I would formally like to revise my guess about this new fall. I hereby change my guess from an L6 chondrite to a brecciated L6 chondrite. Cheers, Martin On 3/12/02 10:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/03/02 16:59:20 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hmm! My first-second thought was: Could this be be another diogenite? The greenish tinge of the matrix and its fragile, crumbly matrix that doesn't take a polish at all definitely reminds me of Bilanga. Hi Bernd, I just took another look under magnification and I'm going to stick with LL6, but I really do hope I'm wrong! :-) I don't like posting ads here usually, but several Listees have emailed me asking for pricing info already.so, for those wanting to take a chance, it's 10.34 GBP ($15.00) per gram across the board for frags and individuals. Cheers, Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] THE NEW FALL
Wow. Was Rob ever right about the better photo when wet: See here: http://www.meteoriteshop.com/new-fall.htm My photos still never did this justice though. You have to see this close up. I think that it looks more like norton county or the pena blanca springs aubrite that a diogenite but I hope that Berand is right. Still, it appears that it will be an LL6 though. Particularly nice one, but LL6. We should find out before to long. And Berand is always right. I cant wait much longer. I have to have a sale. Soon I will have a sale. I am going to go out for brekfest and beer now and when I come back the alcohol will be all dried off of my meteorites and I will have a sale. If anybody wants individuals let me know what size that you desire and I will see what I can come up with. The biggest ones that I know of are just over a kilo. Cheers DEAN _ You dont have to go to NASA to get a Rock from outer space. Or even from the Planet Mars or the Moon. You just have to visit the Meteorite Shop. www.meteoriteshop.com _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Moroccan Fall
Hello all Look the ebay auctions of Mr.Hupe meteoritelab and look the Bensour meteorite...is many similar. Regards Matteo --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, I received several individuals and fragments of the new Moroccan fall this afternoon, and couldn't resist quickly grinding a face onto one of the pieces and having a peek inside. This one fell at 16:17 GMT on 11th February.just about the same time that many of us were gathering for the start of Daryll Pitt's meteorite auction in Tucson. Kinda weird timing, don't you think?? It's a very fragile, almost crumbly meteorite that doesn't take a polish at all, so you might have to concentrate hard when looking at the picture I've posted here http://fernlea.tripod.com/newfall.html My largest individual is just over 200g and there are many dinky little, perfectly fusion crusted individuals that resememble the Holbrook Pultusk peas. The matrix had a much higher contrast when it was still wet with alcohol coolant, but it looks very much blander when dry and it can be difficult to see the small brecciation. I think LL6 is a pretty safe bet on this one, but we'll see. Cheers, Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
Hello Everyone! (Who might care) I would suggest one thing with this "New" Fall from Morocco. Before buying anywait until it is classified and wait until a ~ total known weight is known. Buying in the beginning can sometimes be smartbut often, until all the facts are known you will get a price burn. You might want to wait a bit.. If there is 100 kilos or more of this new fallit will be on ebay for $2.00 a gram (perhaps) in the near future. However, if there is only 10 kilos you might want to grab it now! You seethere is information missing here. and you could get a bad price burn by not having this information. When Zag first came out it was $3-$5.00 per gram and then it shot up to $11.00, and now you can buy Zag for $1.00 to $5.00 per gram.. Also, I do not have any...nor do I plan on getting any in the near future. my advice about waiting is from personal experience with a meteorite collection now numbering well over 700 falls and finds. I mean. CR2,s were $200 to $500.00 per gram last year and now you could of bought some last week for $20.00 per gram! Be careful! In anycasejust a few personal thoughts Best Wishes Michael Cottingham
RE: [meteorite-list] Winona/Canyon Diablo
Hi Martin, Thanks for the link to the Winona picture. That is one ugly-looking piece of shale! Amazing that it could even be classified (with its own unique type, no less)... Makes Nantan look like it fell yesterday! ;-) Best, Rob -Original Message- From: Martin Horejsi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:31 AM To: Bernd Pauli HD; John Gwilliam Cc: Rhett Bourland; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Winona/Canyon Diablo Hi All, To say that Winona is weathered is an understatement. Imagine the rustiest, crustiest pile of fragments loosely bound, just barely overcoming the force of gravity...now apply the term weathered to it and you have Winona. Don't believe me, have a look at this pic. http://aristotle.isu.edu/winona.jpg Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Deadline Approaches for Next Round of Shoemaker NEO Grants
http://www.planetary.org/html/news/articlearchive/headlines/2001/neograntann.html Deadline Approaches for Next Round of Shoemaker NEO Grants by Melanie Melton Planetary Society March 12, 2002 Those interested in applying for the The Planetary Society's next round of Shoemaker Near Earth Object (NEO) grants have only three more weeks to do so. Those amateur or professional astronomers interested in studying Near Earth Objects can apply for the grant by filling out an application form and sending it to The Planetary Society by March 31, 2002. The application form can by found here: http://www.planetary.org/html/neo/SocietyProjects/ShoemakerGrant/NEOGrantForm.html The Shoemaker NEO grant program was established by the Society in 1997, in an effort to advance the study of Near Earth Objects. Grant recipients in the past have been both individuals and groups, amateur and professional astronomers, all interested in studying asteroids and comets in Earth's vicinity. For this round of grants, the Society's international advisory group reviewing the proposals will be considering three different categories: Observation Programs, NEO Research Programs, and International Collaboration in NEO Observations. With several asteroid detection programs in place at major observatories around the country, there has been a dramatic increase in asteroid detection within the last year, creating a long list of objects in need of follow-up observations. As a result, special consideration will be given to observers interested in conducting follow-up NEO observations, especially those capable of detecting objects fainter than magnitude V= 19.5 or so. * For more information about the Shoemaker NEO Grant Program http://www.planetary.org/html/neo/SocietyProjects/ShoemakerGrant/NEOGrantindex.html * For NEO Grant Guidelines http://www.planetary.org/html/neo/SocietyProjects/ShoemakerGrant/NEOGrantGuidelines.html * For the application form http://www.planetary.org/html/neo/SocietyProjects/ShoemakerGrant/NEOGrantForm.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
Title: Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice Michael Cottingham kindly wrote: When Zag first came out it was $3-$5.00 per gram and then it shot up to $11.00, and now you can buy Zag for $1.00 to $5.00 per gram.. Hello Michael and All, When I was doing research on my article about Zag for Meteorite Magazine several years ago, I found the first offering of it was at $18 per gram (if I remember correctly). The skyward shot in price was more a reaction to the science and its similarity to the unobtainable Monahans, TX chondrite. There are always risks when purchasing meteorites, Sahara or not. Even some of the more notable US meteorite finds have yielded many more kilograms years after the initial discovery. On the third side of this coin is the possibility that not all of the fall is of the quality that Rob and Dean were able to photograph. Examples of this phenomena include Kora Korrabes, Portales Valley, and even Zag. There were vastly different regions within the meteorite making numbers like TKW and price per gram less important. One piece might be a dud, while another is stunning. My suggestion is to buy out of the pure excitement of collecting. You win some, you loose some. But in the end, it should all be fun. Right? Cheers, Martin
[meteorite-list] Re: Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
I'd say it's rather similar to Taouz 002. So my guess is a highly recrystallized LL6. Greetings, Herbert Raab __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
³When Zag first came out it was $3-$5.00 per gram and then it shot up to $11.00, and now you can buy Zag for $1.00 to $5.00 per gram..² This is misleading. ZAG was selling for less than $1 a gram and then went up after the water anouncement. I still fondly remember buying a kilo of Zag from Michael Casper for 50 cents a gram and then having the water story break before the material even arrived to me and seeing another dealer offing it at $8 a gram. And at that time ZAG had an official TKW of 175 kilos but likely double that is conservative. Of course it did later fall back in price. Right now meteorites in general are underpriced because of the large quantities of desert material. Even known falls and rare material from other non desert areas have droped in price like a stone (Or maybe that should be like a meteorite). Wither the $15 price that the new moroccan fall is currently being sold for sticks, drops, or rises in the near term will depend on what it found in the lab. A unusual LL fall seems like a good deal at $15. There have been 15 kilos found as of last saturday (I have half of it) and it seems that everybody in eastern morocco is currently looking for more. If no more is found you will soon be very happy if you buy it now at $15. If 100 kilos get found you will see $4 or $5 but right now it dont appear that there is that much. However, this meteorite is very vulnerable to getting wet. It has to be cut with alcohol. And it has recently rained in the strewnfield so newly found material will not be as fresh as the material that was picked up the day of the fall (Like mine was). Whatever the price this is certainly a stunning meteorite and you want slices in your collection. I have that 119.5 gram individual that I posted photos to the list a couple days ago available uncut at $15 a gram. The rest I should have by next week. I have two that are over a kilo. I dont expect a huge price drop on the $15 a gram price (Unless there is a lot stashed away somewhere but searchers are not having luck over the last few days in finding more). This meteorite is really unusual looking. If anything really unusual turns up in the lab you will likely see a price increase. And it is so unusual looking that assuming that it is an LL you cant really go wrong at $15. But I am selling the material so I am obviously biased in my opinions here. I will have a sale posted shortly. Cheers DEAN _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
Title: Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice Hello, Martin and All, I actually bought my first piece of Zag from Al Lang for about $3.50 per gramthis was when it first came out. It was not until Edwin Thompson traded theChico main massto Al Lang for almost all of the Zag that he had at the time. It was Edwin Thompson who basically discovered that Zag had salt crystals in it. After that the price shot up... (I believe that is how it went?) Your right though one should be a collector for the shear excitement of it..but sometimes a better deal comes to those that can temper that excitement a bit. Best Wishes Michael - Original Message - From: Martin Horejsi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice Michael Cottingham kindly wrote:When Zag first came out it was $3-$5.00 per gramand then it shot up to $11.00, and now you can buy Zagfor $1.00 to $5.00 per gram..Hello Michael and All,When I was doing research on my article about Zag for Meteorite Magazine several years ago, I found the first offering of it was at $18 per gram (if I remember correctly). The skyward shot in price was more a reaction to the science and its similarity to the unobtainable Monahans, TX chondrite.There are always risks when purchasing meteorites, Sahara or not. Even some of the more notable US meteorite finds have yielded many more kilograms years after the initial discovery. On the third side of this coin is the possibility that not all of the fall is of the quality that Rob and Dean were able to photograph. Examples of this phenomena include Kora Korrabes, Portales Valley, and even Zag. There were vastly different regions within the meteorite making numbers like TKW and price per gram less important. One piece might be a dud, while another is stunning.My suggestion is to buy out of the pure excitement of collecting. You win some, you loose some. But in the end, it should all be fun. Right?Cheers,Martin
Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
Hello, Actually...the 1st material to be sold in the US was from Alan Lang, not Michael Casper. It started at $3.00 plus per gram. I am pretty sure on this, but if I am wrong then I stand corrected. You bought your material after the 1st pieces and in anycase my statement is not misleading The whole reason of the statement was to show an example of a meteorite price rollercoaster ride.. - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice ³When Zag first came out it was $3-$5.00 per gram and then it shot up to $11.00, and now you can buy Zag for $1.00 to $5.00 per gram..² This is misleading. ZAG was selling for less than $1 a gram and then went up after the water anouncement. I still fondly remember buying a kilo of Zag from Michael Casper for 50 cents a gram and then having the water story break before the material even arrived to me and seeing another dealer offing it at $8 a gram. And at that time ZAG had an official TKW of 175 kilos but likely double that is conservative. Of course it did later fall back in price. Right now meteorites in general are underpriced because of the large quantities of desert material. Even known falls and rare material from other non desert areas have droped in price like a stone (Or maybe that should be like a meteorite). Wither the $15 price that the new moroccan fall is currently being sold for sticks, drops, or rises in the near term will depend on what it found in the lab. A unusual LL fall seems like a good deal at $15. There have been 15 kilos found as of last saturday (I have half of it) and it seems that everybody in eastern morocco is currently looking for more. If no more is found you will soon be very happy if you buy it now at $15. If 100 kilos get found you will see $4 or $5 but right now it dont appear that there is that much. However, this meteorite is very vulnerable to getting wet. It has to be cut with alcohol. And it has recently rained in the strewnfield so newly found material will not be as fresh as the material that was picked up the day of the fall (Like mine was). Whatever the price this is certainly a stunning meteorite and you want slices in your collection. I have that 119.5 gram individual that I posted photos to the list a couple days ago available uncut at $15 a gram. The rest I should have by next week. I have two that are over a kilo. I dont expect a huge price drop on the $15 a gram price (Unless there is a lot stashed away somewhere but searchers are not having luck over the last few days in finding more). This meteorite is really unusual looking. If anything really unusual turns up in the lab you will likely see a price increase. And it is so unusual looking that assuming that it is an LL you cant really go wrong at $15. But I am selling the material so I am obviously biased in my opinions here. I will have a sale posted shortly. Cheers DEAN _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
I can't resist, sorry Dean :) - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice Even known falls and rare material from other non desert areas have droped in price like a stone (Or maybe that should be like a meteorite). Not true. In fact, a good proportion of non-hot desert witnessed falls have increased in price. Some tremendously! Pultsuk, Mocs, Johnstown, New Concord, Monroe, Homestead...shall I keep goingAllende, Millbillillie, even Juancheng! There are others that have gone down, mainly the SNCs and Lunars. Directly linked to the desert gold rush. Wither the $15 price that the new moroccan fall is currently being sold for sticks, drops, or rises in the near term will depend on what it found in the lab. A unusual LL fall seems like a good deal at $15. Really?? I don't think so, especially when it is NOT EVEN CLASSIFIED! Like Martin said it could be a brecciated L6. Hardly worthy of 15/g IMHO. There have been 15 kilos found as of last saturday (I have half of it) and it seems that everybody in eastern morocco is currently looking for more. If no more is found you will soon be very happy if you buy it now at $15. If 100 kilos get found you will see $4 or $5 but right now it dont appear that there is that much. Speculation...150 kg will be the weight. My guess, but I know how the Moroccans work. Rule of thumb...multiply by 10. However, this meteorite is very vulnerable to getting wet. It has to be cut with alcohol. And it has recently rained in the strewnfield so newly found material will not be as fresh as the material that was picked up the day of the fall (Like mine was). LL's take to weathering pretty well. I know of, as we speak, of an actual LL6 that was associated with a fall from 4 years ago from the US. It sat out, in a field, for 2 years before it was recovered. W0, was the weathering grade. The crust was black as night, and it could be cut with water. Whatever the price this is certainly a stunning meteorite and you want slices in your collection. Yes it is nice! I have that 119.5 gram individual that I posted photos to the list a couple days ago available uncut at $15 a gram. The rest I should have by next week. I have two that are over a kilo. I dont expect a huge price drop on the $15 a gram price (Unless there is a lot stashed away somewhere but searchers are not having luck over the last few days in finding more). Right. We cannot see the future Dean. Don't even try. This meteorite is really unusual looking. If anything really unusual turns up in the lab you will likely see a price increase. And it is so unusual looking that assuming that it is an LL you cant really go wrong at $15. But I am selling the material so I am obviously biased in my opinions here. I will have a sale posted shortly. Cheers DEAN Best wishes, Matt Morgan _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
I thought that I would add another comment to this. Collectors have been lucky because new desert falls and finds are pretty much all in dealers hands and not tied up into museums. We all know about certain meteorites (Selma comes to mind) that are overpriced because most of the very large mass is in museums and collectors cant get at them. One of the aubrites (I cant remembre which one) has a huge mass but costs $40 to $60 a gram because it is all in a museum but should be worth $5 a gram. All canadian meteorites are pretty much in that catagory to. I sold a 54 gram St Robert at $9 a gram a while back and had people emailing me for days wanting more. It is a lousy H5 that would be hard to sell for $1 a gram if it fell 100 miles to the south. Buyers have it good on this new fall because dealers have it all. Collectors can buy the Moroccan CR2 right now because it is all in dealers hands and museums dont have it all tied up. If it was all in a museum you can bet that the trade value would be $300 a gram like it was before it became known that 15 kilos exist of the moroccan CR2 find. A museum wouldent care that it shouldent be worth $300 if they traded any. But since collectors and dealers have it all then prices are low (At least until it gets all bought up - the CR2 is $20 a gram now. Dont wait two years to get your CR2 specimen). So for buyers of this meteorite be thankful that it is in the hands of dealers and not the government. If the government had all of this meteorite you can bet that it would be just as scarce to buy as St Robert or Tagish Lake. And be thankful that the nomads who are used to working for $2 a day is getting it. If it was a fall and some western dealer had to pay the expense of flying over on the whim that he might get lucky and find any you can bet that you wouldent see this offered for $15 a gram. Thats enough for me. I have to make a sale posting of my new meteorite Cheers DEAN _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
Not true. In fact, a good proportion of non-hot desert witnessed falls have increased in price. Some tremendously! Pultsuk, Mocs, Johnstown, New Concord, Monroe, Homestead...shall I keep goingAllende, Millbillillie, even Juancheng! There are others that have gone down, mainly the SNCs and Lunars. Directly linked to the desert gold rush. Lets see. Millbillillie was $20 a gram teo years ago but was $7 a gram in tucson One dealer was offering allende for $3 a gram in tucson and it was $6 a year ago. Johnstown was $200 a while ago and is now under $100. Somebody even posted to this list (Or was it the IMCA list) saying that he say Johnstown listed at $25. Zagami was $2000 a gram 3 years ago and recently in the $300 to $500 range. Thought sounds like the prices of your non desert meteorites have been rising lately. If no other desert shergotite or lunar was ever found then zagami would still be $2000 a gram now and the only lunar (Cacalong creek) would still be a million dollars a gram. The desert meteorites have brought down the price of all meteorites to a reasonable level. It couldent be further from the truth to say that desert meteorite prices have fallen and others have risen. Collectors often couldent care less where there a type sample is from. All CO3s are cheap because of the Libyan find. When a CO3 can be bought for $20 a gram fewer people is going to pay $100 for another one. If they just want a CO3 sample they will buy the libyan CO3. Because of the Libyan find other CO3s are selling less than they would otherwise. Do you honestly think that you would still be able to get zagami for $500 a gram if no desert SNC was ever found? Of course you dont. You know that the price of non desert meteorites has not risen in the past 18 months. They have fallen bigtime like the desert meteorites have. DEAN _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NEW METEORITE SALE
OK. I am not going to talk values anymore. I said earlier that when the alcohol dried of my meteorite that I was having a sale. And I went out for food and pondered over beer about this sale and now took yet more photos. And so by golly I am going to have a sale. If nothing there is yet more photos for you to enjoy (Although they never came out so well - I am having a hard time photographing this meteorite). And these were cut with alcohol so they have not gotten exposed to water. No guarantees on what the future price will be in a years time (Or for that matter in a couple hours time) or what the classification is. Its new. Its super cool looking. And today, Feb 12th, at 4:17PM, - that is one month and one day after it fell on the Morocco/ Algeria border, it is $15 a gram. And it should be known that I just love paypal. http://www.meteoriteshop.com/new-fall-sale.htm Cheers DEAN _ You dont have to go to NASA to get a Rock from outer space. Or even from the Planet Mars or the Moon. You just have to visit the Meteorite Shop. www.meteoriteshop.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
Is anyone else here into electronic gadgets or computers? I know I really am. When I have people over to my house for the first time they're usually more impressed that stuff than my meteorite, fossil, or artifact collection. Never mind the fact that I have moon rocks, Mars rocks, dinosaur bones, fossils that are hundreds of millions of years old that I found myself, Egyptian scarabs, or a piece of the Titanic brought up from the bottom of the ocean, they always love my gadgets and quite frankly, unless you're interested in scientific things I don't blame them. I don't buy as much stuff as I did before I started collecting meteorites (when you only have a limited budget for stuff you don't need you prioritize). What I do know though is that when new technology comes out it costs more. When DVD players first came out the cheapest, most bare bones modle was $500 and that was only if you could find them. I was ecstatic when months later I was able to get an open-box, close-out model for $240. Now you can go to Walmart and get one for around $100 that is better quality and can do more than the original ones that cost $500 could. Why am I talking about this stuff? To prove a point. When there are limited numbers of something available or something new it costs more. CR2's used to be so expensive because they were of very limited numbers and all the insane type collectors (self included) just had to have them despite the costs. Now that there are a lot of them the prices have gone down. If you want to buy this new meteorite at $15 a gram without knowing the classification because its something new and you have to be the first on your block to own one then go for it. To me, unless your sole reason in being into meteorites is to make money that's one thing (I know there are a handful of people who do that) but most of us do it as a hobby or a side way to make a little extra cash (that would be my area) quite whining about prices and the market. You wanna know how much a certain meteorite is worth? However much someone will pay for it. Obviously, if there's a high demand and limited supply then the price is going to be higher. Instead of having arguements about how much this new meteorite (or any other for that matter) is worth, let's talk about what kind it is. My 4 cents worth, Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Cottingham Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice Hello Everyone! (Who might care) I would suggest one thing with this New Fall from Morocco. Before buying anywait until it is classified and wait until a ~ total known weight is known. Buying in the beginning can sometimes be smartbut often, until all the facts are known you will get a price burn. You might want to wait a bit.. If there is 100 kilos or more of this new fallit will be on ebay for $2.00 a gram (perhaps) in the near future. However, if there is only 10 kilos you might want to grab it now! You seethere is information missing here. and you could get a bad price burn by not having this information. When Zag first came out it was $3-$5.00 per gram and then it shot up to $11.00, and now you can buy Zag for $1.00 to $5.00 per gram.. Also, I do not have any...nor do I plan on getting any in the near future. my advice about waiting is from personal experience with a meteorite collection now numbering well over 700 falls and finds. I mean. CR2,s were $200 to $500.00 per gram last year and now you could of bought some last week for $20.00 per gram! Be careful! In anycasejust a few personal thoughts Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Digital camera and meteorites
Hi Alexander, I have a Nikon Coolpix 5000 and it is fabulous. It is a 5 megapixel and will do just about anything except change lenses which the Nikon D-series does do. I also have a Nikon Coolpix 775. Again in the excellent category but lower resolution at about 2.11 megapixels . Both cameras have good macro capabilities, onboard LCD screens and viewfinders, short movie capabilities, direct computer downloading and compact flash cards, and rechargeable batteries. I love them both, but the 5000 does have a steeper learning curve, not to mention price. Good luck. Cheers, Martin On 3/12/02 2:28 PM, Alexander Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi list, with a new (secondary, Mo thru Fri) place to live for professional reasons and a brandnew computer, I am now looking for a good quality digital camera. This may sound a bit off-topic on the one hand, and I may beat an old horse on the other hand, as this was already discussed a good while ago, but actually I am thinking about photographing my meteorite hand-specimen collection and thin section collection (with the aid of my MBC-10 microscope) for the sake of documentation, enjoyment and last but not least transfer of one or the other Jpeg amongst meteorite friends. Likely opinions and/or recommendations have changed since this topic was discussed the last time, and high-end-cameras of two years ago may well be mainstream cameras right now - but surely I am no expert on this. My question is: what would you folks, experienced with the use of digital cameras along with meteorites, recommend as a good, reasonably priced camera for this purpose? It really must not be a high-end-high-price-product, but should work properly and yield good results both with and without the microscope. What about zooming down to details and what about resolution? Any recommendations for my potential purchase will be highly appreciated. Thanks, Alex Berlin/Germany __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
In a message dated 12/03/02 21:43:06 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's make this fun. If Rob or Dean would be kind enough to donate a small piece to the person who succsesfully guesses what kind it is it would be great. OK! I have a 26.65g fusion crusted end piece up as the prize, and will have it in the hands of the lucky winner within 48hrs of closing. Someone else can be referee it though please. I still say LL6and I think I said it first, didn't I?? ;-) Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
I have to jump in here and agree with Michael Cottingham. Look at what Dean did with CR2. Who is to say what he will do with this one after the next 100 kg come out. I also checked the weather in Morocco. It has not rained in Erfound for a long time. Randy From: "Mark Miconi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Martin Horejsi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:04:32 -0700 Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector adviceYour suggestion sounds like the best advise yet.Mark M. - Original Message - From: Martin Horejsi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice Michael Cottingham kindly wrote: "When Zag first came out it was $3-$5.00 per gram and then it shot up to $11.00, and now you can buy Zag for $1.00 to $5.00 per gram.." Hello Michael and All, When I was doing research on my article about Zag for Meteorite Magazine several years ago, I found the first offering of it was at $18 per gram (if I remember correctly). The skyward shot in price was more a reaction to the science and its similarity to the unobtainable Monahans, TX chondrite. There are always risks when purchasing meteorites, Sahara or not. Even some of the more notable US meteorite finds have yielded many more kilograms years after the initial discovery. On the third side of this coin is the possibility that not all of the fall is of the quality that Rob and Dean were able to photograph. Examples of this phenomena include Kora Korrabes, Portales Valley, and even Zag. There were vastly different regions within the meteorite making numbers like TKW and price per gram less important. One piece might be a dud, while another is stunning. My suggestion is to buy out of the pure excitement of collecting. You win some, you loose some. But in the end, it should all be fun. Right? Cheers, Martin Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
Hi All, As long as we're having fun guessing the classification of this new Moroccan meteorite, I'll chime in with LL4-6. If that's considered too similar to Rob Elliott's guess of LL6, then I'll go with H4-6. --Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 2:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall In a message dated 12/03/02 21:43:06 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's make this fun. If Rob or Dean would be kind enough to donate a small piece to the person who succsesfully guesses what kind it is it would be great. OK! I have a 26.65g fusion crusted end piece up as the prize, and will have it in the hands of the lucky winner within 48hrs of closing. Someone else can be referee it though please. I still say LL6and I think I said it first, didn't I?? ;-) Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
Hello all, Since this appears to be a contest, I'll have to try and squeeze between everyone else, I'll go with an L/LL6 ;-) Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 2:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall Hi All, As long as we're having fun guessing the classification of this new Moroccan meteorite, I'll chime in with LL4-6. If that's considered too similar to Rob Elliott's guess of LL6, then I'll go with H4-6. --Rob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 2:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall In a message dated 12/03/02 21:43:06 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's make this fun. If Rob or Dean would be kind enough to donate a small piece to the person who succsesfully guesses what kind it is it would be great. OK! I have a 26.65g fusion crusted end piece up as the prize, and will have it in the hands of the lucky winner within 48hrs of closing. Someone else can be referee it though please. I still say LL6and I think I said it first, didn't I?? ;-) Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
I will have to guess as well. Brecciated L5. The other better guesses are used up. Mike Tettenborn Owen Sound, Ontario - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall In a message dated 12/03/02 21:43:06 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's make this fun. If Rob or Dean would be kind enough to donate a small piece to the person who succsesfully guesses what kind it is it would be great. OK! I have a 26.65g fusion crusted end piece up as the prize, and will have it in the hands of the lucky winner within 48hrs of closing. Someone else can be referee it though please. I still say LL6and I think I said it first, didn't I?? ;-) Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
Look at what Dean did with CR2. Who is to say what he will do with this one after the next 100 kg come out. Yep. I guess that I cant argue with that one. You can always depend on me to not hold back material for years and to not bleed material onto the market to keep prices high. Nope, I sell meteorites at the lowest price and if I can make 50% quick rather than wait 5 years to make 1000% profit well, boy golly, I do it and move on to getting a great deal on the next meteorite for my customers. I guess that you you are trying to say that you can now buy CR2 for $20 because of me rather than having to pay $200 like you would have had to pay in denver to get any. OK. You can convict me. I wont complain. If anybody wants CR2 for $20 a gram email me. I will accept my punishment. I will sell you some for $20. But hey, if my sales tactics piss you off, I would be happy to make amends. If you want I will grudgingly but ultimately accept $200 a gram for my CR2. And to really be nice I will even accept any price between $20 and $200 a gram that you feel that my CR2 is worth. But I will only accept $200 a gram if you buy me beer to go along with it. Sincerely DEAN _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ---BeginMessage--- I have to jump in here and agree with Michael Cottingham. Look at what Dean did with CR2. Who is to say what he will do with this one after the next 100 kg come out. I also checked the weather in Morocco. It has not rained in Erfound for a long time. Randy From: "Mark Miconi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Martin Horejsi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:04:32 -0700 Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector adviceYour suggestion sounds like the best advise yet.Mark M. - Original Message - From: Martin Horejsi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice Michael Cottingham kindly wrote: "When Zag first came out it was $3-$5.00 per gram and then it shot up to $11.00, and now you can buy Zag for $1.00 to $5.00 per gram.." Hello Michael and All, When I was doing research on my article about Zag for Meteorite Magazine several years ago, I found the first offering of it was at $18 per gram (if I remember correctly). The skyward shot in price was more a reaction to the science and its similarity to the unobtainable Monahans, TX chondrite. There are always risks when purchasing meteorites, Sahara or not. Even some of the more notable US meteorite finds have yielded many more kilograms years after the initial discovery. On the third side of this coin is the possibility that not all of the fall is of the quality that Rob and Dean were able to photograph. Examples of this phenomena include Kora Korrabes, Portales Valley, and even Zag. There were vastly different regions within the meteorite making numbers like TKW and price per gram less important. One piece might be a dud, while another is stunning. My suggestion is to buy out of the pure excitement of collecting. You win some, you loose some. But in the end, it should all be fun. Right? Cheers, Martin Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
Ok, I have to call you on your last statement below. If you are happy with a quick 50% profit then why are you charging $15- per gram on this new meteorite when you probably only have a couple of dollars into it? Is it because you want to strike quickly and make a big profit before other dealers can bring it to market at a reasonable price? Inquiring minds want to know why the big profit % on this one and small profit% on the CR2. What is motivating your high markup on this meteorite? Randy From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:09:35 Nope, I sell meteorites at the lowest price and if I can make 50% quick rather than wait 5 years to make 1000% profit well, boy golly, I do it and move on to getting a great deal on the next meteorite for my customers. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice........
Randy, the accountant, immigration official, weatherman, travel agent, psychologist. Me mucho impressed. Can you email me your address so that I can come buy you a beer? DEAN _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ---BeginMessage--- Ok, I have to call you on your last statement below. If you are happy with a quick 50% profit then why are you charging $15- per gram on this new meteorite when you probably only have a couple of dollars into it? Is it because you want to strike quickly and make a big profit before other dealers can bring it to market at a reasonable price? Inquiring minds want to know why the big profit % on this one and small profit% on the CR2. What is motivating your high markup on this meteorite? Randy From: "dean bessey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a little collector advice Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:09:35 Nope, I sell meteorites at the lowest price and if I can make 50% quick rather than wait 5 years to make 1000% profit well, boy golly, I do it and move on to getting a great deal on the next meteorite for my customers. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
RE: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
I say its a Iron IIAB Dave Do I win anything if Iam the MOST off?? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bessy Bullshit
Well, I is time for me to jump in here and rain on Dean Bessy's parade. I also have a substantial amount of this fall on the way via DHL as I type here! DEan DOES NOT have it all, or even close to HALF as he so states and is so full of bullshit, that I cant keep quiet here any longer. I will have the materail for sale next week, and I plan to offer it around $2 gram! Now Dean, how in the hell do you justify selling material that you paid less than $1 gram for for $15 to $20 gram, it is a chondrite anc a nice one, but nevertheless, you DUMP (using your own words) rare material like it was a happy meal. Then for this fall you try to manipulate the market with more liesand self-reithous statements of self grandure. You are not crap when it comes to North Africa. Your one seller has you by the balls and feeds you what you want to hear, You my friend are the laughing stalk of Morocco. It is about time you learned it. Anyway, the point is folks, that you can pay Dean his "Good Deal" price of $15 gram, or wait one week and pay me $2 gram, your choice. Thanks Dean, Payback is a sunofabitch isnt it? By the way, you need to stop talking about me, it gets back to me, every word you say, and right now I am more than a little pissed you asshole!!!#@#@# Mike Farmer
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
LOL! In THAT case, I'm putting my bet down on a hematite nodule! ; ) Jeannie I say its a Iron IIAB Dave Do I win anything if Iam the MOST off?? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Moroccan Fall
Well, I is time for me to jump in here and rain on Dean Bessy's parade. I also have a substantial amount of this fall on the way via DHL as I type here! DEan DOES NOT have it all, or even close to HALF as he so states and is so full of bullshit, that I cant keep quiet here any longer. I will have the materail for sale next week, and I plan to offer it around $2 gram! Now Dean, how in the hell do you justify selling material that you paid less than $1 gram for for $15 to $20 gram, it is a chondrite anc a nice one, but nevertheless, you DUMP (using your own words) rare material like it was a happy meal. Then for this fall you try to manipulate the market with more liesand self-reithous statements of self grandure. You are not crap when it comes to North Africa. Your one seller has you by the balls and feeds you what you want to hear, You my friend are the laughing stalk of Morocco. It is about time you learned it. Anyway, the point is folks, that you can pay Dean his "Good Deal" price of $15 gram, or wait one week and pay me $2 gram, your choice. Thanks Dean, Payback is a sunofabitch isnt it? By the way, you need to stop talking about me, it gets back to me, every word you say, and right now I am more than a little pissed you asshole!!!#@#@# Mike Farmer
[meteorite-list] One of Deans emails.
Havent you learned yet that you will always look like a goof when you try and get me to look bad. It is only because of spineless and gutless brice that you still have a medium available to you so that you can continue to hang yourself (Like you have done yet again today). Unlike idiot Farmer I know what I am doing when I start making claims. Cheers DEAN Hey Dean, This "idiot" is going to break your face next time I see you, I am tired of your crap, you talk a little too much smack for your health! Mike Farmer
RE: [meteorite-list] One of Deans emails.
Hey Dean, if you and Mike are going to fight that's one thing but that's no reason to bring Brice into it. He's the only person with more than a handful of meteorites that I've ever gotten to meet in person. He's a great guy that I really like. If by chance we're talking about a different Brice then I apologize but if not lay off. Rhett Bourland www.asteroidmodels.com www.asteroidmodels.com/personal www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] One of Deans emails. Havent you learned yet that you will always look like a goof when you try and get me to look bad. It is only because of spineless and gutless brice that you still have a medium available to you so that you can continue to hang yourself (Like you have done yet again today). Unlike idiot Farmer I know what I am doing when I start making claims. Cheers DEAN Hey Dean, This idiot is going to break your face next time I see you, I am tired of your crap, you talk a little too much smack for your health! Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
Just for GPs, I'll be an oddball and say... EL6. For no good reason (Besides, maybe I'll get lucky.) Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] One of Deans emails.
HEY GUYS, You are reverting back into the same diatribes that we were party to before. Sit back, take a breath, and think about what you are doing- GRANT ELLIOTT Michael Farmer wrote: Havent you learned yet that you will always look like a goof when you try and get me to look bad. It is only because of spineless and gutless brice that you still have a medium available to you so that you can continue to hang yourself (Like you have done yet again today). Unlike idiot Farmer I know what I am doing when I start making claims. Cheers DEAN Hey Dean, This idiot is going to break your face next time I see you, I am tired of your crap, you talk a little too much smack for your health! Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bessy Bullshit
Wow! Dean predicted the price might drop on this one although he didn't predict how fast. This might be a new record! Imagine the price of this new meteorite not just dropping, but rocketing downward pulling about 5 Gs. I love this list..just when you think it's getting a bit boring, things get cookin' again. Now I have to decide if I want to wait a week and get it from Mike or send my $15/g up north.;-) Regards, John At 04:55 PM 3/12/02 -0600, Michael Farmer wrote: Well, I is time for me to jump in here and rain on Dean Bessy's parade. I also have a substantial amount of this fall on the way via DHL as I type here! DEan DOES NOT have it all, or even close to HALF as he so states and is so full of bullshit, that I cant keep quiet here any longer. I will have the materail for sale next week, and I plan to offer it around $2 gram! Now Dean, how in the hell do you justify selling material that you paid less than $1 gram for for $15 to $20 gram, it is a chondrite anc a nice one, but nevertheless, you DUMP (using your own words) rare material like it was a happy meal. Then for this fall you try to manipulate the market with more lies and self-reithous statements of self grandure. You are not crap when it comes to North Africa. Your one seller has you by the balls and feeds you what you want to hear, You my friend are the laughing stalk of Morocco. It is about time you learned it. Anyway, the point is folks, that you can pay Dean his Good Deal price of $15 gram, or wait one week and pay me $2 gram, your choice. Thanks Dean, Payback is a sunofabitch isnt it? By the way, you need to stop talking about me, it gets back to me, every word you say, and right now I am more than a little pissed you asshole!!!#@#@# Mike Farmer John Gwilliam Meteorites PO Box 26854 Tempe AZ 85285 http://www.meteoriteimpact.com
RE: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
No!! NO I'm going to be the most off!!! How do you judge something like that? g Tracy Latimer --wondering if she should change her guess to Chassignite-- On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Radosevich, Dave wrote: I say its a Iron IIAB Dave Do I win anything if Iam the MOST off?? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
L4 This is fun, Jason Rocks From Heaven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/03/02 21:43:06 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's make this fun. If Rob or Dean would be kind enough to donate a small piece to the person who succsesfully guesses what kind it is it would be great. OK! I have a 26.65g fusion crusted end piece up as the prize, and will have it in the hands of the lucky winner within 48hrs of closing. Someone else can be referee it though please. I still say LL6and I think I said it first, didn't I?? ;-) Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] One of Deans emails.
How sweet it is . . . two boys playing in the sandbox and one of them is NOT my husband! Will miracles never cease . . . I'm headed to buy a lottery ticket! Casper, the female - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] One of Deans emails. HEY GUYS, You are reverting back into the same diatribes that we were party to before. Sit back, take a breath, and think about what you are doing- GRANT ELLIOTT Michael Farmer wrote: Havent you learned yet that you will always look like a goof when you try and get me to look bad. It is only because of spineless and gutless brice that you still have a medium available to you so that you can continue to hang yourself (Like you have done yet again today). Unlike idiot Farmer I know what I am doing when I start making claims. Cheers DEAN Hey Dean, This idiot is going to break your face next time I see you, I am tired of your crap, you talk a little too much smack for your health! Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
It is a sure bet that I am right on my guess CURRENTLY OVERPRICED - now, what did i win?Randy From: Jason Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:26:07 -0800 L4 This is fun, Jason Rocks From Heaven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/03/02 21:43:06 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's make this fun. If Rob or Dean would be kind enough to donate a small piece to the person who succsesfully guesses what kind it is it would be great. OK! I have a 26.65g fusion crusted end piece up as the prize, and will have it in the hands of the lucky winner within 48hrs of closing. Someone else can be referee it though please. I still say LL6and I think I said it first, didn't I?? ;-) Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
My guess, A brecciated L-6, with shock veins. Steve Schoner American Meteorite Survey. Too bad the pic's were not too clear. n Tue, 12 March 2002, Jason Phillips wrote L4 This is fun, Jason Rocks From Heaven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/03/02 21:43:06 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's make this fun. If Rob or Dean would be kind enough to donate a small piece to the person who succsesfully guesses what kind it is it would be great. OK! I have a 26.65g fusion crusted end piece up as the prize, and will have it in the hands of the lucky winner within 48hrs of closing. Someone else can be referee it though please. I still say LL6and I think I said it first, didn't I?? ;-) Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ___ Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] One of Deans emails.
two boys playing in the sandbox and one of them is NOT my husband! Will miracles never cease . . We all hope not. Please keep him away from the computer until this all blows over, please
Re: [meteorite-list] Bessy Bullshit
Well John, you might need some schoolin, but ill bet you can do that math! I will not see some damn chondrite being sold for outrageous prices but the rare stuff being dumped into the toilet. I can play this game as well as the next guy. This is the time to buy! It wont be this way forever. Dean is just getting a head way to big for his shoulders. These claims were funny at first, but he really belives that he is in some sort of control. I have been to North Africa 13 times to his TWO!, I have dropped over $700,000 in Morocco to his $50,000! Yeah, Dean, they love you and are taking me for a ride. Dean, we can both play there, so by all means accept your role and leave it at that. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: John Gwilliam To: Michael Farmer ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bessy Bullshit Wow!Dean predicted the price might drop on this one although he didn't predict how fast. This might be a new record! Imagine the price of this new meteorite not just dropping, but rocketing downward pulling about 5 Gs.I love this list..just when you think it's getting a bit boring, things get cookin' again.Now I have to decide if I want to wait a week and get it from Mike or send my $15/g up north.;-)Regards,JohnAt 04:55 PM 3/12/02 -0600, Michael Farmer wrote: Well, I is time for me to jump in here and rain on Dean Bessy's parade. I also have a substantial amount of this fall on the way via DHL as I type here! DEan DOES NOT have it all, or even close to HALF as he so states and is so full of bullshit, that I cant keep quiet here any longer. I will have the materail for sale next week, and I plan to offer it around $2 gram! Now Dean, how in the hell do you justify selling material that you paid less than $1 gram for for $15 to $20 gram, it is a chondrite anc a nice one, but nevertheless, you DUMP (using your own words) rare material like it was a happy meal. Then for this fall you try to manipulate the market with more lies and self-reithous statements of self grandure. You are not crap when it comes to North Africa. Your one seller has you by the balls and feeds you what you want to hear, You my friend are the laughing stalk of Morocco. It is about time you learned it. Anyway, the point is folks, that you can pay Dean his "Good Deal" price of $15 gram, or wait one week and pay me $2 gram, your choice. Thanks Dean, Payback is a sunofabitch isnt it? By the way, you need to stop talking about me, it gets back to me, every word you say, and right now I am more than a little pissed you asshole!!!#@#@#Mike Farmer John Gwilliam Meteorites PO Box 26854 Tempe AZ 85285http://www.meteoriteimpact.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
Is Eucrite taken yet? Regards, Phil Morgan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall In a message dated 12/03/02 21:43:06 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's make this fun. If Rob or Dean would be kind enough to donate a small piece to the person who succsesfully guesses what kind it is it would be great. OK! I have a 26.65g fusion crusted end piece up as the prize, and will have it in the hands of the lucky winner within 48hrs of closing. Someone else can be referee it though please. I still say LL6and I think I said it first, didn't I?? ;-) Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
A summary of the guesses so far, in the order posted: -- LL6Rob Elliott Diogenite Bernd Pauli (guess later rescinded) L6, brecciated Martin Horejsi LL6 (highly recrystallized)Herbert Raab * L5 Rhett Bourland LL4-6 Rob Matson L/LL6 Frank Cressy L5, brecciated Mike Tettenborn Polymict eucrite Dave Schultz Iron IIABDave Radosevich (sandbagging ;-)) Hematite nodule Jeannie (also sandbagging) EL6Tracy Latimer L4 Jason Phillips L6, brecciated, w/shock veins Steve Schoner ** -- * Herbert needs to choose again (same as Rob Elliott) ** Steve Schoner needs to choose again (Martin beat him to it) Bernd: do you want to stick with diogenite just for fun, or do you have a back-up guess that hasn't been taken yet? Since our guesses are getting pretty precise, I'll assume my LL4-6 was sufficiently different from Rob's to be accepted. If Rob is in agreement, then I officially release my second choice of H4-6. Quite a few ordinary chondrite variations remain (as well an non-OC designations, if you're feeling cheeky), so have at it gang! Cheers, Rob M. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
HOW ken newton Matson, Robert wrote: A summary of the guesses so far, in the order posted: -- LL6Rob Elliott Diogenite Bernd Pauli (guess later rescinded) L6, brecciated Martin Horejsi LL6 (highly recrystallized)Herbert Raab * L5 Rhett Bourland LL4-6 Rob Matson L/LL6 Frank Cressy L5, brecciated Mike Tettenborn Polymict eucrite Dave Schultz Iron IIABDave Radosevich (sandbagging ;-)) Hematite nodule Jeannie (also sandbagging) EL6Tracy Latimer L4 Jason Phillips L6, brecciated, w/shock veins Steve Schoner ** -- * Herbert needs to choose again (same as Rob Elliott) ** Steve Schoner needs to choose again (Martin beat him to it) Bernd: do you want to stick with diogenite just for fun, or do you have a back-up guess that hasn't been taken yet? Since our guesses are getting pretty precise, I'll assume my LL4-6 was sufficiently different from Rob's to be accepted. If Rob is in agreement, then I officially release my second choice of H4-6. Quite a few ordinary chondrite variations remain (as well an non-OC designations, if you're feeling cheeky), so have at it gang! Cheers, Rob M. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
Well heck; there aint much left now is there!?! Since all the others are taken, I'll throw L5-6 into the pile for a bit of fun! Waiting excitedly on the side-lines, Jeff K. http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - Vote for your nominees in our online Oscars pool. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bessy Bullshit
Farmer you are just as full of shit as you always are. Somebody hires you to buy meteorites for them and you figure that it is your money that you are spending. You dont have $700,000 and you never have. You pay more than anybody else in morocco because you dont deal with the nomads directly and yes, they love you over there in morocco for that. Sure you bought two kilos the R chondrite, 1.3 kilos of the CR2 and some eucrites when you went over last time in January. You hire some guide who goes around to the usual spots that the moroccan resellers sell from and you get picked over material. Hell, your lunar was what, 200 grams less by the time you bought it because they had cut pieces to show everybody else trying to sell it. But you can go and have a beer and be happy and feel good thinking that you fucked me on the new fall now. Finally for once somebody gets a good deal from Mike Farmer. For the first time ever Mike Farmer is responsible for dropping the price of a meteorite. Welcome to the club farmer. You know how to play with the big boys now. You have finally learned that holding on to something for 5 years trying to get 10 times what something is worth is not the best way to go. You can make more money turning over stock fast. I am sure that when some investors buys a plane ticket for you again you will be able to afford to go to Morocco again and hang out with the moroccans. i guess that your travels of a couple years ago that you had to pay for yourself didnt work out quite like you had planned. And to people who want some of the new fall? My advise is to buy it from farmer. He is giving you one hell of a deal here. Not something to pass up. Unlike the rest of the overpriced stuff on his website. Hell, he even convinced the world that his CK4 that he bought was somehow better than the Libyan ones and should be worth double the price. But you always pay for stories with farmers meteorites (Except with the new fall). Ok farmer. You win tonight. You can celebrate now. The little boy has won his battle. Go home and tell your wife how good you are. Big brave meteorite buyer. By golly you da man. Tonight you win. I am going for beer. I am leaving the sandbox now. You can have it all to yourself and throw all of the sand that you want for the rest of the night. DEAN _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
Goodevening all, Well lets see the farthest from guess from what it actually is, a dried up mix of green brown playdough. I have kids :-) Jim H BTW I had downloaded my mail from hotmail not replied to some of them when my pc crashed, so if I have not replied to you e-mail again as I do not have any saved mail. - Original Message - From: Jeff K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall Well heck; there aint much left now is there!?! Since all the others are taken, I'll throw L5-6 into the pile for a bit of fun! Waiting excitedly on the side-lines, Jeff K. http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - Vote for your nominees in our online Oscars pool. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
ps, I guess Mr. Herbert chanced the same outlook.. -Original Message- From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:08 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall A summary of the guesses so far, in the order posted: -- LL6Rob Elliott Diogenite Bernd Pauli (guess later rescinded) L6, brecciated Martin Horejsi LL6 (highly recrystallized)Herbert Raab * L5 Rhett Bourland LL4-6 Rob Matson L/LL6 Frank Cressy L5, brecciated Mike Tettenborn Polymict eucrite Dave Schultz Iron IIAB Dave Radosevich (sandbagging ;-)) Hematite nodule Jeannie (also sandbagging) EL6Tracy Latimer L4 Jason Phillips L6, brecciated, w/shock veins Steve Schoner ** -- * Herbert needs to choose again (same as Rob Elliott) ** Steve Schoner needs to choose again (Martin beat him to it) Bernd: do you want to stick with diogenite just for fun, or do you have a back-up guess that hasn't been taken yet? Since our guesses are getting pretty precise, I'll assume my LL4-6 was sufficiently different from Rob's to be accepted. If Rob is in agreement, then I officially release my second choice of H4-6. Quite a few ordinary chondrite variations remain (as well an non-OC designations, if you're feeling cheeky), so have at it gang! Cheers, Rob M. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
I'll go with H4. Andre Bordeleau __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
Well, since Rob's official classification assumptsion is LL6 ..AND since it is HE that is awarding der prize. I must say that LL6 sounds good to me as my official guess Shaw, Allen. -Original Message- From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:08 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall A summary of the guesses so far, in the order posted: -- LL6Rob Elliott Diogenite Bernd Pauli (guess later rescinded) L6, brecciated Martin Horejsi LL6 (highly recrystallized)Herbert Raab * L5 Rhett Bourland LL4-6 Rob Matson L/LL6 Frank Cressy L5, brecciated Mike Tettenborn Polymict eucrite Dave Schultz Iron IIAB Dave Radosevich (sandbagging ;-)) Hematite nodule Jeannie (also sandbagging) EL6Tracy Latimer L4 Jason Phillips L6, brecciated, w/shock veins Steve Schoner ** -- * Herbert needs to choose again (same as Rob Elliott) ** Steve Schoner needs to choose again (Martin beat him to it) Bernd: do you want to stick with diogenite just for fun, or do you have a back-up guess that hasn't been taken yet? Since our guesses are getting pretty precise, I'll assume my LL4-6 was sufficiently different from Rob's to be accepted. If Rob is in agreement, then I officially release my second choice of H4-6. Quite a few ordinary chondrite variations remain (as well an non-OC designations, if you're feeling cheeky), so have at it gang! Cheers, Rob M. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
No LL5's yet. I'll take that if it's still available. Regards, Phil Morgan - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall A summary of the guesses so far, in the order posted: -- LL6Rob Elliott Diogenite Bernd Pauli (guess later rescinded) L6, brecciated Martin Horejsi LL6 (highly recrystallized)Herbert Raab * L5 Rhett Bourland LL4-6 Rob Matson L/LL6 Frank Cressy L5, brecciated Mike Tettenborn Polymict eucrite Dave Schultz Iron IIAB Dave Radosevich (sandbagging ;-)) Hematite nodule Jeannie (also sandbagging) EL6Tracy Latimer L4 Jason Phillips L6, brecciated, w/shock veins Steve Schoner ** -- * Herbert needs to choose again (same as Rob Elliott) ** Steve Schoner needs to choose again (Martin beat him to it) Bernd: do you want to stick with diogenite just for fun, or do you have a back-up guess that hasn't been taken yet? Since our guesses are getting pretty precise, I'll assume my LL4-6 was sufficiently different from Rob's to be accepted. If Rob is in agreement, then I officially release my second choice of H4-6. Quite a few ordinary chondrite variations remain (as well an non-OC designations, if you're feeling cheeky), so have at it gang! Cheers, Rob M. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
hello But who fortune teller gains a prize? I say LL6, but is many similar - in the matrix - to NWA 769 eucrite. Regards Matteo --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess, A brecciated L-6, with shock veins. Steve Schoner American Meteorite Survey. Too bad the pic's were not too clear. n Tue, 12 March 2002, Jason Phillips wrote L4 This is fun, Jason Rocks From Heaven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/03/02 21:43:06 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's make this fun. If Rob or Dean would be kind enough to donate a small piece to the person who succsesfully guesses what kind it is it would be great. OK! I have a 26.65g fusion crusted end piece up as the prize, and will have it in the hands of the lucky winner within 48hrs of closing. Someone else can be referee it though please. I still say LL6and I think I said it first, didn't I?? ;-) Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ___ Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bessy Bullshit
test -Original Message- From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bessy Bullshit Farmer you are just as full of shit as you always are. Somebody hires you to buy meteorites for them and you figure that it is your money that you are spending. You dont have $700,000 and you never have. You pay more than anybody else in morocco because you dont deal with the nomads directly and yes, they love you over there in morocco for that. Sure you bought two kilos the R chondrite, 1.3 kilos of the CR2 and some eucrites when you went over last time in January. You hire some guide who goes around to the usual spots that the moroccan resellers sell from and you get picked over material. Hell, your lunar was what, 200 grams less by the time you bought it because they had cut pieces to show everybody else trying to sell it. But you can go and have a beer and be happy and feel good thinking that you fucked me on the new fall now. Finally for once somebody gets a good deal from Mike Farmer. For the first time ever Mike Farmer is responsible for dropping the price of a meteorite. Welcome to the club farmer. You know how to play with the big boys now. You have finally learned that holding on to something for 5 years trying to get 10 times what something is worth is not the best way to go. You can make more money turning over stock fast. I am sure that when some investors buys a plane ticket for you again you will be able to afford to go to Morocco again and hang out with the moroccans. i guess that your travels of a couple years ago that you had to pay for yourself didnt work out quite like you had planned. And to people who want some of the new fall? My advise is to buy it from farmer. He is giving you one hell of a deal here. Not something to pass up. Unlike the rest of the overpriced stuff on his website. Hell, he even convinced the world that his CK4 that he bought was somehow better than the Libyan ones and should be worth double the price. But you always pay for stories with farmers meteorites (Except with the new fall). Ok farmer. You win tonight. You can celebrate now. The little boy has won his battle. Go home and tell your wife how good you are. Big brave meteorite buyer. By golly you da man. Tonight you win. I am going for beer. I am leaving the sandbox now. You can have it all to yourself and throw all of the sand that you want for the rest of the night. DEAN _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
All below the 6. I'm agoing higher : LL6/7 Christian Versendet durch Jet2Web Internet - Webmail (webmail.jet2web.net) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
