[meteorite-list] Ebay Fraud Drama!
Powers that be, I would like to suggest the person who screwed Jeannie NOT be allowed to join the IMCA. Michael -- TMS/TNS/HRC wrote: > > Hello list! > > Well, the drama continues. I filed a Fraud Complaint with Ebay > yesterday regarding the "Canyon Diablo Meteorite" which as you all > know by now, turned out to be iron shale. I have received two > responses from Judith McCabe/Colin also known as pahanaswife, > bubbamisen, and currently j.c.z.inc. on Ebay. The first was a > response to Ebay which was forwarded to me through their system: > > >Comment Added: Buyer contacted me after 2 months for refund. Item > sold was > indeed meteorite as listed in the meteoritic encyclopedia 5th issue. I > > am contacting my lawer to consider proceedings for the fraud > allegation. > Slander is another word for it. > > As I mentioned before in my communication to the list, I contacted the > seller the day after I received the product in the mail, received a > nasty reply and my subsequent attempts to contact them were ignored. > > The second comment I received was an email to me directly which I > received this afternoon. > > Hi > > My lawer has advised me to start legal proceedings against you for > the fraud allegation.Which i am very seriously considering. Under > section 25 of the slanderous comments act( which comes under federal > law) i have the right because the fraud complaint is a false statement > and slanderous against my being and integrity. I therefore am > considering a class action lawsuit against you because of this. > > The material sent to you was as discribed in the auction . There was > not a mention that it was nickel iron. Furthermore in your own words > you have admitted selling this material for 10 years. Which under > federal law is illegal under the ireplacable resourse act. > > I have many paths open to me towards a lawsuit. one being my geology > degree and my expirience in the field of astrogeology. But not to beat > around the bush i will sue you for every penny you have. > > Have a wonderful day > > colin > > > So, it seems that something finally woke them up! :) > > I find it interesting that one of the comments in the email mentioned > that there was nothing that said the material was nickel iron. So, > this confirms my previous suspicion that this person knows exactly > what they are selling , and is deliberately misrepresenting it as > Canyon Diablo meteorite to get a higher price at auction than what it > is actually worth. This one is definitely a "rotton apple". > > Just wanted to pass on the latest news to you all, since I promised to > keep everyone informed about what was going on! > > Warm regards to you all, > Jeannie > IMCA #9236 > The Museum Store/The Nature Source > & The Historical Research Center > Anchorage, Alaska > www.thenaturesource.com > __ > No matter how far you go down the wrong road, turn back. > -Turkish Proverb __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ebay drama, NEW ID......again!
Apparently, the sellers of the shale have, yet again, changed their Ebay identity. Current Identity: homolovi Previous identities: pahanaswife, bubbamisen, j.c.z.inc. Not that I expect them to be selling any more shale for a while, but just in case I thought I'd add this little "heads up" for everyone buying on Ebay. Jeannie IMCA #9236 The Museum Store/The Nature Source& The Historical Research CenterAnchorage, Alaskawww.thenaturesource.com__No matter how far you go down the wrong road, turn back.-Turkish Proverb
[meteorite-list] Ebay Fraud Drama!
Hello list! Well, the drama continues. I filed a Fraud Complaint with Ebay yesterday regarding the "Canyon Diablo Meteorite" which as you all know by now, turned out to be iron shale. I have received two responses from Judith McCabe/Colin also known as pahanaswife, bubbamisen, and currently j.c.z.inc. on Ebay. The first was a response to Ebay which was forwarded to me through their system: >Comment Added: Buyer contacted me after 2 months for refund. Item sold wasindeed meteorite as listed in the meteoritic encyclopedia 5th issue. I am contacting my lawer to consider proceedings for the fraud allegation.Slander is another word for it. As I mentioned before in my communication to the list, I contacted the seller the day after I received the product in the mail, received a nasty reply and my subsequent attempts to contact them were ignored. The second comment I received was an email to me directly which I received this afternoon. Hi My lawer has advised me to start legal proceedings against you for the fraud allegation.Which i am very seriously considering. Under section 25 of the slanderous comments act( which comes under federal law) i have the right because the fraud complaint is a false statement and slanderous against my being and integrity. I therefore am considering a class action lawsuit against you because of this. The material sent to you was as discribed in the auction . There was not a mention that it was nickel iron. Furthermore in your own words you have admitted selling this material for 10 years. Which under federal law is illegal under the ireplacable resourse act. I have many paths open to me towards a lawsuit. one being my geology degree and my expirience in the field of astrogeology. But not to beat around the bush i will sue you for every penny you have. Have a wonderful day colin So, it seems that something finally woke them up! :) I find it interesting that one of the comments in the email mentioned that there was nothing that said the material was nickel iron. So, this confirms my previous suspicion that this person knows exactly what they are selling , and is deliberately misrepresenting it as Canyon Diablo meteorite to get a higher price at auction than what it is actually worth. This one is definitely a "rotton apple". Just wanted to pass on the latest news to you all, since I promised to keep everyone informed about what was going on! Warm regards to you all, Jeannie IMCA #9236 The Museum Store/The Nature Source& The Historical Research CenterAnchorage, Alaskawww.thenaturesource.com__No matter how far you go down the wrong road, turn back.-Turkish Proverb
Re: [meteorite-list] U.S. mail --- A Solution
We have had many problems with long delivery times with our business to overseas both receiving payments and sending items. We finally broke down and setup a FedEX account. When someone needs to send you a payment they need only go to the nearest FedEx office where you can arrange for the payment to be sent to you, they need only bring the payment, FedEx will look up your account and they will do the rest. It is the best solution for sending anything anywhere. We have sent money and items and received money and items from all over the world and have never lost a one, no delay of months and it is trackable and trace-able and worth the extra cash. It gives you the ability to know when someone says the check is in the mailthat IT is actually in the mail. FedEx is worldwide and if you are serious about doing international business it is the only way to go...in my opinion. Mark Miconi - Original Message - From: David Calongne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] U.S. mail > hi list, was wondering if ya'll were getting orders delivered that takes > many weeks david > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SALE: My New 3250 Gram NWA
This is a really nice looking meteorite that I just recently acquired. 10% discount to list members who order a piece of this one today. I will be putting it on my website later tonight: http://www.meteoriteshop.com/n-nwa3250.html Cheers DEAN _ You dont have to go to NASA to get a Rock from outer space. Or even from the Planet Mars or the Moon. You just have to visit the Meteorite Shop. www.meteoriteshop.com _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Holbrook and weathering
Hi Steve, Bob and List, Just read your messages about weathering, and in particular Steve's reply regarding Holbrook. I just returned from vacationing in Phoenix, the Grand Canyon (both rims) and Zion. On Memorial Day I talked my wife into taking a slightly (!) out-of-the-way path from Phoenix to the south rim of the Grand Canyon by way of Holbrook. She only had the patience to stop there a little over an hour, and given that it was in the early afternoon, it was quite hot. I'd never been to Holbrook before, so I was happy to find a tiny Holbrook fragment with nice black crust over half its exterior. My first meteorite find from a known fall. It's also my smallest meteorite find -- only 190 milligrams! Anyone who has been to Holbrook must know that hunting there is a good exercise in visual signal processing. A lot of "noise" to filter out... Coincidentally enough, just minutes after we parked another vehicle arrived and parked about 50 yards from us. Given that there's pretty much nothing else around of interest (except perhaps petrified wood), I figured he had to be a meteorite hunter. After eyeing each other for a few moments, he was first to speak -- something along the lines of, "What are you here for?" I coyly countered, "Same thing you are! ;-)" That seemed to be an adequate ice-breaker (or an appropriate exchange of code phrases) and he came over. I'm embarrassed to say that we never got each other's names, but he said he was from Bishop (CA) and had purchased meteorites on eBay before. So, whoever you are, if you happen to be a member of Meteorite Central -- greetings! He went off hunting to the north of me, while I headed slowly eastward. By the time I got back to my car, he had left -- evidently bored, hot, or both. I wish I had had more time there as I was just getting a feel for the terrain, and surely would have found more fragments. But we wanted to get to the G.C. before sunset, so it'll have to wait for another day. Steve wrote: > In my searches of Holbrook, I have found pieces that > are near to pristine, and others just yards away from > those that are weathered to the point of being nearly > unrecognizable. Given the complicated terrain, I'm not surprised. > After the initial finds of 1912, I suspect that the > ever diminishing returns from Holbrook are due more to > weathering than collecting. Weathering, combined with a fairly dynamic surface. From what I saw, stuff is getting alternately buried and exhumed by wind and water erosion. The small fragment I found was in a smooth blow-out, where I also found old bullet fragments. Best, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] U.S. mail
Hello Everyone, I sent to big irons to buyers last December; one to Philadelphia and the other to Norway. Both were lost by the USPS. I have just setteled with them for payment for Phildephia package but I am still in limbo with regard to the one sent to Norway. I sent both insured, but you really have to jump through postal hoops to get reimbursment from the USPS. -Walter --- Walter Branch, Ph.D. Branch Meteorites 322 Stephenson Ave., Suite B Savannah, GA 31405 USA www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: "Tracy Latimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "David Freeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Charlie Devine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jamie Ekholm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "meteorite list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S. mail > Funny story... > About a month ago, I got 2 packages in my mailbox. One was a CD I had > ordered from ebay, another was a box of Christmas candy from my > mother. Both had postmarks of December 2000. What were they DOING for > the last 2 years??? > > Mail delivery in HI has always been a little problematic. I bought a > piece of Bilanga from Eduardo about 7 weeks ago. I know the check > cleared, but as to what the mail service is doing with his package, I > haven't a clue. At least once a year, one of my letters or packages will > vanish into the Bermuda Triangle of mail. > > Tracy Latimer > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] U.S. mail
Another strange history..a letter sent from Padova - 20 minutes in car from me - sent the 22 april, is arrive from me at the 9 May...a little dealy. Reagards Matteo --- Tracy Latimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Funny story... > About a month ago, I got 2 packages in my mailbox. > One was a CD I had > ordered from ebay, another was a box of Christmas > candy from my > mother. Both had postmarks of December 2000. What > were they DOING for > the last 2 years??? > > Mail delivery in HI has always been a little > problematic. I bought a > piece of Bilanga from Eduardo about 7 weeks ago. I > know the check > cleared, but as to what the mail service is doing > with his package, I > haven't a clue. At least once a year, one of my > letters or packages will > vanish into the Bermuda Triangle of mail. > > Tracy Latimer > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] U.S. mail
Funny story... About a month ago, I got 2 packages in my mailbox. One was a CD I had ordered from ebay, another was a box of Christmas candy from my mother. Both had postmarks of December 2000. What were they DOING for the last 2 years??? Mail delivery in HI has always been a little problematic. I bought a piece of Bilanga from Eduardo about 7 weeks ago. I know the check cleared, but as to what the mail service is doing with his package, I haven't a clue. At least once a year, one of my letters or packages will vanish into the Bermuda Triangle of mail. Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cleaning Meteorites
Hello Everyone, I recently aquired a number of dental pick type cleaning tools. These are useful for cleaning dirt and debris from meteorites (and similar objects). If anyone needs one, I will trade one pick for a micromount meteorite specimen - any specimen. You send me the micro and I send you the cleaning tool. Here is the URL to a picture of what they look like: http://www.branchmeteorites.com/temp/pick.jpg These are stainless steel and won't rust. If you are interested, just email me to reserve one. If you don't have any micros for trade, I will sell one for $6.00 (which includes shipping but I prefer to just trade. Best wishes, -Walter ---Walter Branch, Ph.D.Branch Meteorites322 Stephenson Ave., Suite BSavannah, GA 31405 USAwww.branchmeteorites.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Weathering Grades
Robert Verish wrote "Can you imagine a stone with a "W6" interior having an exterior exhibiting well-preserved, relict fusion crust?" Yes, I think that I have not only imagined one, but seen one-- in a recent fall no less--- Holbrook. This meteorite offers an excellent opportunity for those doing research into meteorite weathering. Samples have been collected from the day of fall to the present, and many of these have beautiful fusion crusts. But when they are cut, the weathering of recent finds becomes apparent (though some of these show little weathering at all, and such are usually restricted to pieces 1 gram or less). In my searches of Holbrook, I have found pieces that are near to pristine, and others just yards away from those that are weathered to the point of being nearly unrecognizable. What I suspect with regards to weathering is that not only do environmental factors play a part, but composition of the meteorite matrix is something to be considered. With the fall of Monahans, a common chondrite it was found that this meteorite contained salt crystals. I suspect that salt is more common to chondritic meteorites than was previously realized, and that its presence in meteorites will greatly affect the preservation of such after they fall to earth-- regardless of where they fall. For as the salt leaches out, and in the presence of oxygen and water it's corrosive action to FeNi will eventually destroy the meteorite matrix. Now, I suspect that the reason that the fusion crust would for Holbrooks be so preserved is that the crust is a glass, and if the matrix had salt this salt would under high temperatures become a flux that would be incorporated into that melt and react with metal and and melted minerals. In essence it would therefore be neutralized-- Hence, after decades of sitting on the ground, the salty matrix would decompose but the fusion crust remain bright and unusually fresh (as is the case with many Holbrooks). It would be interesting if a museum that has thousands of Holbrook stones, such as the Museum of Natural History, or the Smithsonian would take a random sample of their small complete Holbrook stones, and examine them for salt content. I would not be surprised if salt is present in the majority of those that were collected shortly after it fell-- and that would partly explain why so little of it if found today. >200 Kg (16,000 stones in 1912); <30 Kg (several dozen stones between 1931 to 1947 by Nininger); >1kg (several hundred small stones by me from 1967 to presnent); and perhaps a similar amount by the combined effort of others over that same period. After the initial finds of 1912, I suspect that the ever diminishing returns from Holbrook are due more to weathering than collecting. The study of recent falls, and the collection of material from those falls in the years after, offer an excellent opportunity for determining the onset of weathering and how such progresses over a period of time. How long meteorites last on earth after fall is a question that is "up in the air." Steve Schoner http://www.geocities.com/american_meteorite_survey ___ Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite E-mails
Hello Everybody, Being an eBay seller I get a lot of strange e-mails and request on meteorites. Since the list has been kinda slow lately I thought I would share one I recieved yesterday. No comment:-) Mark Bostick "The Big Collector" "I'm looking for some Arizona Meteor crater material. For gifts to friends. It has religious significance to Buddhists, we don't circumabulate it like those pegan bastards do (you'll have to forgive me but the Moslems exterminated Buddhist civilization in India, its homeland back in the 12th century and I still ain't quite gotten over being angery about that). To a Buddhist, the significance is purley intellectual - sky metal -the concept of space, being the whole point of Buddhism. Sometimes they make ritual implenets out of it. Melt it down and make dorjes or purbhas (ritual daggers used in exercisims. I have often given it as a gift to important religious teachers. Household names in much of the world. One in particular was featured in People Magazine and most recently, his present whereabouts, in Time and Newsweek. (I'm a writer,if you haven't already guessed). Anyway, it's neat stuff and everybody His Holiness the Dalai Lama on down thinks so. I could say much more about!use of it among the Tibetans but I really am looking for some CHEAP Canyon Diablo to give out as gifts and quite possibly I've already said more than you wanted to know. (mercury conjunct the accendent in my natal chart - not that I believe a wit in astrology - but the planet mercury was conjunct the ascendent at the time of my birth and that's hard science. e me about specifics and I pay with VISA bucks, Ok? Give me break on the cost and who knows, maybe you go to heaven next? But maybe you were going there anyway!georgep.s. (I can't find the darn spell check so I'm just going to send it as is. "
Re: [meteorite-list] U.S. mail
Dear List, Charlie, Jamie; Yup, U.S. postal service here is delivering my shipments locally and in-country just fine, especially the junk mail. Like my computer, remove filter to sell on ebay, and get 40 more junk emails a day. I feel important to get all of the junk. NOT. Best Sunday, Dave Freeman ebay ID mjwy Charlie Devine wrote: >Jamie and David, > >Jamie wrote: > > >Seems about the only things the postal > >service can deliver on time are bills. > >The US Postal Service doesn't deliver mail in Europe for heaven's sake! >Once your check arrives in Vassiliev's country, it's up to HIS postal >system to deliver. > >Charlie > > >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] U.S. mail
Hello all The strange is many US mail arrive to me with many days of delay, and from Australia or Canada arrive in max 3-4 days. This is many strange. I inform you that if a package to go lost, it is the country from which has left that it must begin the searches, not the contrary. Regards Matteo --- Charlie Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jamie and David, > > Jamie wrote: > >>Seems about the only things the postal >>service can deliver on time are bills. > > The US Postal Service doesn't deliver mail in Europe > for heaven's sake! > Once your check arrives in Vassiliev's country, it's > up to HIS postal > system to deliver. > > Charlie > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weathering Grades
--- Walter Branch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello Bob and List, > snip!+ > There may not be enough data to make meaningful > conclusions but I would REALLY LIKE to see a > breakdown by world geographical regions. > For example, climates more conducive to the > preservation (e.g., southwest US) of meteorite vs. > those less favorable to meteorite preservation (e.g., > southeast US). > > Bernd? > > -Walter > --- Hello Bernd, Walter, and the few other people on this planet that are interested in "Weathering Grades", ;-) While were on this subject about trends, and averages, and the mean being "skewed", I need to point out the MAJOR "skew" that is currently developing for the set of data for the Southwest USA Meteorites. Check this out, Walter! The more "dry lake" meteorites we find, the greater the trend toward a higher average weathering grade for Southwest USA Meteorites. In a nutshell: Dry lakes in the Southwest USA have seasonal wet and dry periods. There will be periods of intermittent standing water on "dry lakes", while other areas in the desert have long since dried-out. What this means is that, for those meteorites which are periodically lying in water on the lakebeds, their interiors will be more weathered compared to those meteorites lying up on well-drained alluvial fans (such as at Gold Basin). The more "dry lake" meteorites we find, the more higher will rise the average weathering grade for Southwest USA Meteorites. All you need to do is take a quick look at TABLE 3 of the current Meteoritical Bulletin to see what I mean. It is rare for a find to be W1. It would require a find location having an environment with excellent states of preservation. Only Borrego, Golden Mile, and Payson are all W1, but none of them came from a dry lake. Granted, Old Dominion Mine is a W3, but I've seen how poor the condition of its exterior, so a W3 grade for its interior means it is comparatively "well-preserved". Now, take a look at the "dry lake" finds, and see how high the average weathering grade is. A "reverse situation" is occurring here. The following observation doesn't appear anywhere in the classification data, but these dry lake meteorites have surprisingly well-preserved exteriors compared to their very weathered interiors. Can you imagine a stone with a "W6" interior having an exterior exhibiting well-preserved, relict fusion crust? You will never see that in a NWA meteorite! But to explain how all of this can happen will require a separate thread [or article]. Later, - Bob V. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] U.S. mail
Jamie and David, Jamie wrote: >Seems about the only things the postal >service can deliver on time are bills. The US Postal Service doesn't deliver mail in Europe for heaven's sake! Once your check arrives in Vassiliev's country, it's up to HIS postal system to deliver. Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
