Re: [meteorite-list] Re: --Just a suggestion for your Tucson Ring-(Flame delete if under 18 )
--- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find that Mateo frequently does this, as does Michael Cottingham and, in spurts, Mike Farmer and Dean Bessy. The list could go on. (granted, they all, especially Mike Farmer Dean Bessey give it a rest from time to time - sometimes for many weeks on end) The point is, there are numerous dealers who do this, AT LEAST in spurts. I no put surely 4 emails with the same subject in a unique day, I put only when the ebay auctions start, and when end, not others. And others only when I have new meteorites. Yesterday I have take off the emails from my ex hotmail box, and I have a list of 20 emails of Steve, only 4 in a unique day with Tucson Ring and fossils subject. I have addvise Steve stop a few with the emails and put only one with the same subject for week, informing it of what it could succeed if continued to continually put email with the same subject, hour it has happened what I had said to it. In order to control how much email I have put in list, enough to go in the archives of the list. Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question about Meteorites on the Moon
Hello all, Tonight my 8 year old son Christopher and I were out looking at the moon with our wholly inadequate telescope. It is fine for looking at the moon but lacks the optics needed for much else. Anyways he is a very smart kid and asked me a couple of questions that I could not answer and I told him I would ask you all. First he wanted to know if a meteor hits the moon is it technically a meteorite or are only meteors that hit the earth called a meteorite? My answer was that once a meteoriod hits a terrestrial body it is technically a meteorite. Second he wanted to know what if any changes would occur to a meteorite once it is on the moon? He is very smart and understands that weathering and a general erosion begins once a meteorite hits the earth due to the actions of our atmosphere, wind and rain.He was wondering if it were common place to go to the moon easily and find meteorites if they wouldbe pristine or would solar winds, and other impacts by space dust, micrometeorites and the such erode them? And if the swings in temperature extremes that can occur on the moon effect them in any way. My answer was that they would probably change a bit over time, but the amount of time that would be needed to cause any changes would be exponentially greater than that of earth. The third question he asked was sincethere is virtually no weather on the moon to stir up dust and bury them meteorites would it be harder to find meteorites on the moon? My answer was that since there is no atmosphere to slow their descent that the impact speed would probably determine whether the meteorites would end up buried deeper in the surface and it would also depend on whether or not they would even survive the impact. And last but not least he asked since the moon is smaller than earth would the density/number of meteorites on the moon be less than that of the earth? My answer was I would ask the experts on this list. (I took the easy way out on that one!)I told him that without an atmosphere to burn up any potential meteors that might hit the moon though it was smaller more would make it to the surface than on earth, but that without that same atmosphere to slow them down, many more would probably not survive the impact and would end up pulverized to dust by the impact. I would really appreciate everyone's input. I will relay the answers to him, at 8 years old I do not think I can allow him unfettered access to the list due to the adult disturberences that sometimes take place on the list. Please do not get too technical, although he is very smart, he recently tested 2 grades above the 3rd grade that the school board is insisting he remains in. He is in a program for gifted children and attends 4th grade math classes because he passed the third grade math program last year. School has started here already in Arizona and he is going to be tested in mid September to allow him to skip 3rd grade altogether. I forward alot of the space news to him that is released and posted here and loves everything there is about space and meteorites. He will be absolutely thrilled to read your responses to his questions. I thank you ahead of time. Mark and Christopher Miconi Phoenix AZ
[meteorite-list] Pull plug on 'Chicago STEVE'
Here we go again... what to do about Steve from Chicago. May I suggest pulling the plug once and for all, the 'plug' that connects him to the list, that is. No one can say he wasn't warned, and in my humble opinion he's been warned more than one too many times. Sure we all have delete keys to use, and yes we can all block his messages but why are we being subjected to doing so? It is one thing, for example, to find a new meteorite and offer specimens to list members at a good price, thereby sharing ones good fortunes with fellow listees, most list members wouldn't mind that. But buying a couple of grams of this or that from 'Mr Haag' at full retail, then desperately attempting to flip the material to people on the list is an entirely different matter. Most of the folks on the list know how to contact Robert if they really need a piece of the Tucson Ring so badly that they can't sleep at night without it. Steve is trying to pull-off the meteoritical equivalent of going to a car dealership, buying a new ''beamer'' and trying to re-sell it the next day in the Auto Trader at a tidy mark-up. The real world simply does not function in that manner. This whole situation should have been nipped in the bud weeks if not months ago. Who's in charge again? Hopefully not Steve. How about an open vote on the solution to the situation? Sounds democratic enough to me... I'll even offer to cast the first one. I say no more warnings, no more excuses, no more slaps on the wrist. Just PULL THE PLUG. If anyone cares to agree or disagree, go for the gusto... Robert A. Szep
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: --Just a suggestion for your Tucson Ring-(Flame del...
GOOD JOB Elton! Well stated! CYA Steve! Best to all; Jake Jake Delgaudio The Nature Source Meteorites Fossils Queensbury, NY 12804 Member: The Meteoritical Society Member: AAPS/American Association of Paleontological Suppliers Member: International Meteorite Collectors Association #4262 webiste: www.nature-source.com phone: 518-761-6702 Fax: 518-798-9107 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Putorano
In a message dated 26/08/02 12:48:29 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear List: Has anyone tried to etch Putorano? Thanks for replies. Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo Yep, John Gwilliam etched a few pieces of Putorano last year when we all got together in Holbrook. The metal blebs did show a sort of Widmanstatten pattern, but it was extremely fine. John can probably tell you more and I'm sure that he's got a few pics stashed away somewhere too. Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] the last one
You all have made your points. I know how you all feel. I'm sorry for posting you. No more posts!!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 The Midwest Meteorite Collector! Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the last one
Steve, I suggest that you place your items on ebay and let the market dictate your unknown asking prices; also you could sell your fossils, and find buyers for your items. Dirk Ross...Tokyo Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: You all have made your points. I know how you all feel. I'm sorry for posting you. No more posts!!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 The Midwest Meteorite Collector! Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Putorano
Dear Matt and list members: Thanks for your replies to my question; many of you were kind enough to answer. Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo Matt Morgan wrote: Hi Dirk: I was one of the first people (to my knowledge) to etch Putorana. Nearly falling over with excitement, I thought we had a new mesosiderite or silicated iron (which it is). There was a decent (medium) pattern on the pieces I had. This prompted Blaine and I to send the pieces in for more analyses. The rest is history. Matt Morgan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of drtanuki Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:44 AM To: meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] Putorano Dear List: Has anyone tried to etch Putorano? Thanks for replies. Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] List Restrictions
Hi List, As a meteorite dealer that has had great success from posting and selling with the help of this list, I would like to see Art restrict dealers and anyone else selling, to one 'sale' post per week or 2 per month or something similar. This list was formed for the discussion of meteorites, not for dealers like myself, to use as a free advertising forum. The amount of postings has greatly increased over the past few years and limiting 'sale' postings would benefit us all. My 2 grams, John Sinclair www.meteoriteUSA.com www.meteorites.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List Restrictions
Hello List Members: I agree with John Sinclair 100%. Since I am a meteorite dealer, as well as a collector, I tend to say little and post less. In fact, I can recall only two posts I have made for meteorites. John's suggestion of between 2 and 4 per month should be more than adequate for postings. I have a good relationship with Steve from Chicago but really get tired of being barraged with his emails - many of which are repeats of earlier emails. John Schooler Member of the Meteorite List IMCA #9322 Member of The Meteoritical Society www.schoolersinc.com - Original Message - From: John Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 11:04 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] List Restrictions Hi List, As a meteorite dealer that has had great success from posting and selling with the help of this list, I would like to see Art restrict dealers and anyone else selling, to one 'sale' post per week or 2 per month or something similar. This list was formed for the discussion of meteorites, not for dealers like myself, to use as a free advertising forum. The amount of postings has greatly increased over the past few years and limiting 'sale' postings would benefit us all. My 2 grams, John Sinclair www.meteoriteUSA.com www.meteorites.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] brahin chunx
anybody else got any big(over 100g) chunx / slices of brahin they wanna sell? it's just like good pork rinds and cheap vodka- you can't have just one!Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Meteorites on the Moon
Sounds like you covered most of the bases with your explanations to Christopher -- I don't see any that I would substantially alter. Survivability of a meteorite on the Moon's surface once it hits would depend on: size of the object, type of terrain it hit (a big dust pool vs. solid rock vs. gravel vs) type of meteorite (a stony or iron-nickel would probably survive sheer mechanical impact better than one of the more fragile CC types like Tagish Lake), speed at which it hit, etc. etc. For the record, in my little Meteorites From A to Z I have found a couple of lunar meteorites that apparently were recovered from the Moon itself, as they have find locations like Bench Crater (Oceanus Procellarum, Moon)!!! Here's another can o' worms; I may have to retract what I said earlier about CCs not surviving as well, since that one is a CM type. Or maybe, with no atmosphere to give the characteristic fusion crust, a CC sticks out better than a stony, which may just look like another Moon rock g. Anyone? Anyone?? My 2 lunar g, Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List Restrictions
Hi John and list, I agree completely with John. Jim Baxter -- Reply Separator Originally From: John Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] List Restrictions Date: 08/26/2002 12:04pm Hi List, As a meteorite dealer that has had great success from posting and selling with the help of this list, I would like to see Art restrict dealers and anyone else selling, to one 'sale' post per week or 2 per month or something similar. This list was formed for the discussion of meteorites, not for dealers like myself, to use as a free advertising forum. The amount of postings has greatly increased over the past few years and limiting 'sale' postings would benefit us all. My 2 grams, John Sinclair www.meteoriteUSA.com www.meteorites.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List Restrictions
I hate to see any kind of number of posts dictated by Art as that would put a burden on him as to keeping track of everyone which I am sure he has better things to do. I think that 99% of the dealers on this list use restraint and it is too bad that one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch. I do agree that it is reasonable for all of us to limit ourselves to one post per week which would be perfect since ebay auctions generally run for a week. I will be away from email contact from August 30th until September 16th. I will be backpacking in the Sierra Mountains for 10 days and then will be attending the Denver show. So I hope to see many of you at the show to do some partying!!! Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 Catch a Falling Star Meteorites http://www.catchafallingstar.com From: John Sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] List Restrictions Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:04:53 -0400 Hi List, As a meteorite dealer that has had great success from posting and selling with the help of this list, I would like to see Art restrict dealers and anyone else selling, to one 'sale' post per week or 2 per month or something similar. This list was formed for the discussion of meteorites, not for dealers like myself, to use as a free advertising forum. The amount of postings has greatly increased over the past few years and limiting 'sale' postings would benefit us all. My 2 grams, John Sinclair www.meteoriteUSA.com www.meteorites.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] children's meteorite book
Hi, list: Our museum and planetarium will reopen at a new location this Fall and I want to be sure some books on meteors and meteorites are included in our gift shop. I have a couple of titles picked out for adult readers, but am looking for a good, accurate book suitable for elementary school children (say, about ages 10 to 12). Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks. Dave Hostetter Curator of the Planetarium Lafayette (LA) Natural History Museum and Planetarium __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List Restrictions
Jim, You are right. Art does not need to count posts. But the list can report to Art anyone that is abusing the list, and he could go from there!Thanks, Tom From: "Jim Strope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Jim Strope" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite Central" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List Restrictions Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:33:37 -0400 I hate to see any kind of number of posts dictated by Art as that would put a burden on him as to keeping track of everyone which I am sure he has better things to do. I think that 99% of the dealers on this list use restraint and it is too bad that one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch. I do agree that it is reasonable for all of us to limit ourselves to one post per week which would be perfect since ebay auctions generally run for a week. I will be away from email contact from August 30th until September 16th. I will be backpacking in the Sierra Mountains for 10 days and then will be attending the Denver show. So I hope to see many of you at the show to do some partying!!! Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 Catch a Falling Star Meteorites http://www.catchafallingstar.com From: "John Sinclair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "meteorite list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] List Restrictions Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:04:53 -0400 Hi List, As a meteorite dealer that has had great success from posting and selling with the help of this list, I would like to see Art restrict dealers and anyone else selling, to one 'sale' post per week or 2 per month or something similar. This list was formed for the discussion of meteorites, not for dealers like myself, to use as a free advertising forum. The amount of postings has greatly increased over the past few years and limiting 'sale' postings would benefit us all. My 2 grams, John Sinclair www.meteoriteUSA.com www.meteorites.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] children's meteorite book
Hello Dave (and list), There are many children meteorite books. One of the best educational wise is an old one, Shooting Stars by Herbert Zim. Kids now days however might enjoy the one made by Magic Schoolbus people since it has a cartoon. I do not have it so I have not read it but the cartoon is quite educational so imagine the books based on the cartoon are as well. My favorite childrens meteorite book is Call Me Ahnighito, it is not very educational however...as per your request. One of the latest is, Meteors and Meteorites By Gregory L. Vogt, Hardbound, 24 pages, (c) 2002 Capstone Press, IBSN: 0-7368-1120-6. I have not reviewed it yet (...but do have it so sometime I will). Here are some reviews of Children books I have been working onnote, the @ symbols are colored on the page I have been working on for a grading like level...sorry it wont show up in this e-mail.. Thanks, Mark Bostick Shooting Stars Written by Herbert S. Zim, Illustraded by Gusta Schrotter, Hardbound, 64 pages. (c) 1958 William Morrow an Company, New York, Libary of Congress Catalog Card No. 58-6670, no dustjacket, (slightly) Illustrated hardcover. Book Measures: 160mm x 217mm x 11mm or 6 5/16 x 8 1/2 x 1/2 Book weighs: 287 grams or 10.145 oz Mark Bostick's comments: This is a children's book but it is very nicely illustraded. Illustrations include subjects from Ected iron meteorites to a cross section of meteor crater. Many you can tell where made with the help of real photos. Call Me Ahnighito @, @ By Pam Conrad and Illustrated by Richard Egielski, 30 pages, Hardbound, (c.) 1995, A Laura Geringer book, ISBN: 0-06-023322-2 / ISBN 0-06-023323-0 (lib. bdg). Release price: $14.95 US, $19.95 Canada Book measures: 11 1/8 x 8 1/16 or 281mm x 205mm Book weighs: 463.6 grams w/duckjacket, or 16.360oz w/dustjacket Photos/Illustions in book: No photos. Illustator Richard Egielski won the 1987 Caldercott Medal for his work is Hey, Al, written by Arthur Yorinka. He has collaborated with Yorinks on a number of other pichure books, including Louis the Fish, nameda Best Book of 1980 by School Libary Journal. Quote from Book: But they begin to hammer at my sides and chip away little pieces of me. Imagine little pieces of me! I'm worried I will be chipped away into nothing. From dustjacket: A giant meteorite, born of star stuff, is sure there is mre to life then lying buring in the frozen Arctic ground. For hundreds of years he waits. Finally, in 1897, the Peary expedition pulls him out of his icy hole and onto a New York-bound ship, where, to his joy, he is christened Ahnighito. Left in the Brooklyn Navy Yard for seven years, he must again be patient untill, at long last, he is brought to his very own home, the American Museum Natural History in New York, where everybody now knows his name. Based on a true story of one of the largest meteorites ever to fall to earth. Pam Conrad's masterful story, told from a highly unusal point of view, and Richard Egielski;s strong narrative illustrations make this a geological treat for any child who's ever picked up a rock or looked for a shooting star. Mark Bostick's comments: (Pronouced: Ah-Na-Heet-O) This is a great little book all the way around! Egielski did a great job illustrating it. I nice illustrated wrap around dustjacket. (Showing the Cape York meteorite fall). In this book the reader is the Ahnighito meteorite. The largest of the Cape York irons. A cute little story that starts with Ahnighito frighten and cold and ends with his safe and happy at a Museum. In my opinion the best child's meteorite book and I'm not for sure who to give credit, the writer or illustrator. It is totally un-educational. I think Stephen King should do the sequel. Cutting pieces off Ahnighito (Just kidding). Meteorites by Paul P. Sipiera, 1994, hardbound, no duskjacket as released, 48 pages, , index, ISB: 0-516-01068-9 Book measures: 190mm by 220mm or 7 1/2 inches by 8 11/16 inches Book weighs: 284 grams or 10.0 oz. Mark Bostick's comments: This is children's book on the ABC's of meteorites. The book get a few points for putting nice color photos throughout, however it loses them for not noting what meteorite the photo is of. It does have a word glossary in the back, something that is usually missing from Children (meteorite) books. Cover features a nice photo of Arizona Crater. Space Rock by Jon Buller and Susan Schade, 48 pages, 1988. Random House, IBSN: 0-394-99384-5 Book measures: Book weighs: Book rarity: The book was made by Random House so it should be somewhat common. Being a kids book, and not a hardbound, dont exspect to find one in mint condition. From back of book: Bob is just an ordinary kid- until he finds a talking rock from outer space! Now he really has something neat for show and tell. But will the other kids believe him? And will Bob find a way to get the Space Rock Back to his own
[meteorite-list] NASA Appoints CONTOUR Mission Investigation Team
Donald Savage/Bob Jacobs Headquarters, Washington August 26, 2002 (Phone: 202/358-1547/1600) RELEASE: 02-161 NASA APPOINTS CONTOUR MISSION INVESTIGATION TEAM NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe today announced that Chief Engineer Theron M. Bradley Jr. will lead a team to investigate the apparent loss of the CONTOUR mission space probe. The investigation team will independently examine all aspects of the CONTOUR mission, which has been out of contact with controllers at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL), Laurel, Md., since a scheduled engine firing Aug. 15. In May, Bradley joined the agency as Chief Engineer to provide independent technical review of NASA's programs and projects. He's a distinguished U.S. Navy engineer who was instrumental in the initial design of the nuclear propulsion plant for Nimitz class aircraft carriers and the advanced reactor design for Los Angeles class submarines. Bradley also served as a civilian with the U.S. Department of Energy and the Department of Defense in numerous leadership and management positions. The team will include a team of internal NASA investigators from space science, as well as other aerospace disciplines, and external experts with extensive experience in accident examinations. The group is expected to report its initial findings to NASA Headquarters in six to eight weeks. Among the team members selected to work with Bradley are retired Navy Admirals J. Paul Reason and Joseph Lopez. Admiral Reason is a member of NASA's Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel (ASAP). He's an aerospace consultant and former four-star Commander in Chief of the U.S. Navy's Atlantic Fleet. The ASAP was established by Congress in January 1967 after the Apollo 204 Command and Service Module spacecraft fire and is chartered to review, evaluate and advise on agency program activities, systems, procedures and management policies that contribute to risk, and to provide identification and assessment for the NASA Administrator. Admiral Lopez is one of the two flag officers in the U.S. Navy to achieve the rank of four-star admiral after direct commission from enlisted service. The retired admiral is the former commander of NATO forces in southern Europe and has played a leadership role in numerous accident investigations. He currently directs Global Government Operations as an executive with Houston-based KBR (Kellogg, Brown Root). On Aug. 15, CONTOUR's STAR 30 solid-propellant rocket motor was programmed to ignite at 4:49 a.m. EDT, giving CONTOUR enough boost to escape Earth's orbit. At that time, CONTOUR was about 140 miles above the Indian Ocean and out of radio contact with controllers. The CONTOUR mission operations team at APL expected to regain contact at approximately 5:35 a.m. EDT to confirm the burn, but NASA's Deep Space Network (DSN) antennas did not acquire a signal. Since then, there has been no contact with CONTOUR. Commands pre-programmed into the spacecraft's flight computer system, designed to instruct the spacecraft to try various alternate methods of contacting Earth when contact is lost, also have not worked to date. Images from a Spacewatch ground-based telescope at Kitt Peak, Ariz., show three objects at the location where CONTOUR was predicted to be, images which may indicate the spacecraft has broken apart. Mission controllers at APL will continue listening for signals from the spacecraft periodically until early December, when CONTOUR will come into a more favorable angle for receiving a signal from Earth. CONTOUR is a Discovery-class mission to explore the nucleus of comets. The Principal Investigator is Dr. Joseph Veverka of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., who selected APL to build the spacecraft and manage the mission for NASA. Additional information about CONTOUR is available on the Internet at: http://www.contour2002.org -end- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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remove me From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Meteorite Mailing List) Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Appoints CONTOUR Mission Investigation Team Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:41:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [216.92.1.92] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBF33DE1300834136E80DD85C015C119E0; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:44:11 -0700 Received: from pairlist.net (localhost.pair.com [127.0.0.1])by pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTPid 870DB5365E; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23])by pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 23DB5535AEfor [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29707 invoked by uid 7111); 26 Aug 2002 20:41:52 - Received: (qmail 29704 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2002 20:41:52 - Received: from zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (137.78.16.91) by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2002 20:41:52 - Received: (from baalke@localhost)by zagami.jpl.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19960for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:41:51 -0700 (PDT) From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:44:57 -0700 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: arthur-meteoritecentral:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.0 Precedence: bulk List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=help List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=subscribe List-Id: Meteorite Discussion Forum meteorite-list.meteoritecentral.com List-Unsubscribe: http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/ Donald Savage/Bob Jacobs Headquarters, Washington August 26, 2002 (Phone: 202/358-1547/1600) RELEASE: 02-161 NASA APPOINTS CONTOUR MISSION INVESTIGATION TEAM NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe today announced that Chief Engineer Theron M. Bradley Jr. will lead a team to investigate the apparent loss of the CONTOUR mission space probe. The investigation team will independently examine all aspects of the CONTOUR mission, which has been out of contact with controllers at the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory (APL), Laurel, Md., since a scheduled engine firing Aug. 15. In May, Bradley joined the agency as Chief Engineer to provide independent technical review of NASA's programs and projects. He's a distinguished U.S. Navy engineer who was instrumental in the initial design of the nuclear propulsion plant for Nimitz class aircraft carriers and the advanced reactor design for Los Angeles class submarines. Bradley also served as a civilian with the U.S. Department of Energy and the Department of Defense in numerous leadership and management positions. The team will include a team of internal NASA investigators from space science, as well as other aerospace disciplines, and external experts with extensive experience in accident examinations. The group is expected to report its initial findings to NASA Headquarters in six to eight weeks. Among the team members selected to work with Bradley are retired Navy Admirals J. Paul Reason and Joseph Lopez. Admiral Reason is a member of NASA's Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel (ASAP). He's an aerospace consultant and former four-star Commander in Chief of the U.S. Navy's Atlantic Fleet. The ASAP was established by Congress in January 1967 after the Apollo 204 Command and Service Module spacecraft fire and is chartered to review, evaluate and advise on agency program activities, systems, procedures and management policies that contribute to risk, and to provide identification and assessment for the NASA Administrator. Admiral Lopez is one of the two flag officers in the U.S. Navy to achieve the rank of four-star admiral after direct commission from enlisted service. The retired admiral is the former commander of NATO forces in southern Europe and has played a leadership role in numerous accident investigations. He currently directs Global Government Operations as an executive with Houston-based KBR (Kellogg, Brown Root). On Aug. 15, CONTOUR's STAR 30 solid-propellant rocket motor was programmed to ignite at 4:49 a.m. EDT, giving CONTOUR enough boost to escape Earth's orbit. At that time, CONTOUR was about 140 miles above the Indian Ocean and out of radio contact with controllers. The CONTOUR mission operations team at APL expected to regain contact at approximately 5:35 a.m. EDT to confirm the burn, but NASA's Deep Space Network (DSN) antennas did not acquire a signal. Since then, there has been no contact with CONTOUR. Commands pre-programmed into the spacecraft's flight computer system, designed to instruct the spacecraft to try various alternate methods of contacting Earth when contact is
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about Meteorites on the Moon
Ok Mark and Christopher I'll take a stab I don't know how untechnical I can be. Q1:First he wanted to know if a meteor hits the moon is it technically a meteorite or are only meteors that hit the earth called a meteorite? My answer was that once a meteoroid hits a terrestrial body it is technically a meteorite. A1: Technically under the old distinction a "meteor" can't occur on the moon as a meteor is the flash of light in the atmosphere. IMHO it is a definition that needs updating. I believe when a meteoroid lands on the moon it is a meteorite. In mineral nomenclature the Body e.g. Meteor, Impact, Anthra, is the origin and the suffix -ite..means the physical rock/mineral object from the source. Hence Meteorite, Impactite, and so on. The term "regolyth" is the near equivalent to the term"soil" and is dervied from the pounding of the moon by meteorites/asteroids. The regolyth is also enriched by material from the solar wind and contains more than just meteorites and moon rock. Q2: Second he wanted to know what if any changes would occur to a meteorite once it is on the moon? He is very smart and understands that weathering and a general erosion begins once a meteorite hits the earth due to the actions of our atmosphere, wind and rain.He was wondering if it were common place to go to the moon easily and find meteorites if they wouldbe pristine or would solar winds, and other impacts by space dust, micro meteorites and the such erode them? And if the swings in temperature extremes that can occur on the moon effect them in any way. My answer was that they would probably change a bit over time, but the amount of time that would be needed to cause any changes would be exponentially greater than that of earth. A2: Yes, Yes, and Yes. Chemical recycling and weathering on the moon is much different and would be limited to contact of finely pulverized powders and scant gasses liberated by past volcanos/heating/, gasses,(i.e. sulfites, ammonia, O2, CO , and etc) liberatedfrom meteorites etc. It just isn't a player in the alteration of a meteorite. Appearance-wise there is no fusion crust -- but there may mainly only be meteorite "powder". There is a strong possibility that only the very largest meteorites exist in that collision forces converts the bulk of the meteorites into dust and molten dropplets. Meteorite nodules /shards are likely below the surface unless reexcavated by a subsequent impact. The dust layer on the moon is the 99.99%result of impacts.See Bill Arnet's site on the Moon http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/luna.html and Nasa's Apollo Discovery Page http://www.nasm.edu/apollo/apollotop10.htm Moon Dust is composed of angular grains of various sizes and melted glass beads. The dust appears to contain grains of both moon rock and meteorites alike. There are several websites which have photos and descriptions of moon dust. Both the Americans and Russians brought back dust samples. Solar wind and Cosmic rays change the nature of the minerals on the surface. By in large lunar soil is well mixed, churned, and not unlike howardites. The heating cooling cycle on the moon is less destructive due to the lack of water/ice. There is virtually "no heat/cool cycle" transport down slope such as seen by freeze/ thaw on Earth. be it remembered also that lunar rotation is 28 days so the heat/cool (expansion/retraction) cycle is far more gradual than on earth.. Q3: The third question he asked was sincethere is virtually no weather on the moon to stir up dust and bury them meteorites would it be harder to find meteorites on the moon? My answer was that since there is no atmosphere to slow their descent that the impact speed would probably determine whether the meteorites would end up buried deeper in the surface and it would also depend on whether or not they would even survive the impact. A3: No weather but electrostatic forces induced by soalr winds may casue dust to migrate. Seems like I recall some astronauts talking aboutt particles hovering above the ground The dust cloud generated by an impact settles back over the impact hole so there tends to be a blanket of dust on everything. It is cumulative over time. When visiting one of the Surveyor Landers, Apollo Astronauts found very little dust accumulated after 6-8 years, suggesting that the blanket accumulates over eons instead of decades. Lunar gravity may be weaker but it still causes the dust to settle. Moon quakes and impact quakes apparently jar unstable slopes and reduce/flatten crater rims as loose powder creeps downhill . Apollo 16 coring experiments found that the dust/regolyth/soil level exceded 16ft( I think, the maximum length of a core drill with them) The top 2-6 inches were less compacted than further down. Talking to Charlie Duke Jr., Apollo 16 astronaut, and he said they found trails where rocks and or meteorites had
[meteorite-list] Pictures from a cut slice of Deans Black NWA´s
Hallo List, today arrived my piece of Deans Black NWA. My one was the BL-36. He cut some slices for me off, because I wanted to see the inside. If you are interested to take a look at a very nice slice, here is the link: The first picture shows the slice polished with 600 grid. The other backside is polished with 2000 grid and therefore a little bit darker. The slice is 40 x 31 mm at the widest dimensions. The colour on the pictures are absolut the same like the original piece. Deans photo was a little bit too green...maybe interested for those who´s piece will never been cut. http://www.strufe.net/images/sonstiges/NWA-BL-VS.jpg http://www.strufe.net/images/sonstiges/NWA-BL-RS.jpg Best regards Hanno Strufe Langenbergstrasse 32 66954 Pirmasens Germany IMCA #4267 www.strufe.net
[meteorite-list] Catalog number
Hi list! A member posted a canyon diablo a few days ago asking about the catalog num. on it. I have a 77 gram Henbury with a catalog number and was wondering if any of you could tell me who cataloged it? I have a hunch its from Glen Huss but am not sure. The number is : H66.226 Best regards- Michael D. Johnson SPACE ROCKS, INC. 932 Hanging Rock Road Boiling Springs, South Carolina 29316-7401 USA Tel: 1-864-578-5188 http://spacerocksinc.tripod.com/SPACEROCKS/
RE: [meteorite-list] Catalog number
You are correct, it was Glenn Huss of the American Meteorite Lab in Denver. Probably numbered in late 1986-1987. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 7:57 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] Catalog numberHi list!A member posted a canyon diablo a few days ago asking about the catalog num. on it.I have a 77 gram Henbury with a catalog number and was wondering if any of you could tell me who cataloged it?I have a hunch its from Glen Huss but am not sure.The number is : H66.226Best regards-Michael D. JohnsonSPACE ROCKS, INC.932 Hanging Rock RoadBoiling Springs, South Carolina29316-7401USATel: 1-864-578-5188http://spacerocksinc.tripod.com/SPACEROCKS/
[meteorite-list] Pictures from a cut slice of Dean's Black NWAs
Hi Hanno, Thanks for sharing the images of your cut NWA from Dean. Clearly a breccia, and I can't see much metal in the cut surface (though with a gray matrix, it's difficult to tell). Maybe L4-6 or LL4-6? Best, Rob -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:39 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] Pictures from a cut slice of Deans Black NWA´sHallo List,today arrived my piece of Deans Black NWA.My one was the BL-36.He cut some slices for me off, because I wanted to see the inside.If you are interested to take a look at a very nice slice, here is the link:The first picture shows the slice polished with 600 grid.The other backside is polished with 2000 grid and therefore a little bit darker.The slice is 40 x 31 mm at the widest dimensions.The colour on the pictures are absolut the same like the original piece. Deans photo was a little bit too green...maybe interested for those who´s piece will never been cut.http://www.strufe.net/images/sonstiges/NWA-BL-VS.jpghttp://www.strufe.net/images/sonstiges/NWA-BL-RS.jpgBest regardsHanno StrufeLangenbergstrasse 3266954 PirmasensGermanyIMCA #4267www.strufe.net
[meteorite-list] Nwa 869
Hello List, Can any of you meteorite guru's tell me where to find detailed info on NWA 869. If not, can some one tell me what they do know? There is some stuff I have not seen before in meteorites!Thanks, Tom Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
