[meteorite-list] NASA Funds Space Center, Partner, To Develop Instrument For Asteroid Sample Return Mission
University Relations University of Arkansas CONTACT: Derek Sears Director, Arkansas-Oklahoma Center for Space and Planetary Science Professor of chemistry, Fulbright College (479) 575-5204, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Melissa Blouin Science and research communications manager (479) 575-, [EMAIL PROTECTED] FOR RELEASE MONDAY, JANUARY 6, 2003 NASA FUNDS SPACE CENTER, PARTNER, TO DEVELOP INSTRUMENT FOR SPACE MISSION FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. -- The Arkansas-Oklahoma Center for Space and Planetary Science has moved one step closer to launching an asteroid sample return collector thanks to funding from NASA. NASA recently announced a grant of $330,000 awarded to the University of Arkansas- and Oklahoma State University-based center and its industrial partner, SpaceWorks of Tucson, Ariz., to develop a sample collector for use with the space center's Hera space mission. Hera is a proposal being led by the space center to send a spacecraft to three near-Earth asteroids, reconnoiter for 2-1/2 months, then swoop down to collect samples from three sites and return those samples to Earth. Derek Sears, director of the space center and principal investigator for the mission, said the center has worked with SpaceWorks for about three years. They have helped us develop mission concepts and trajectories, and they have helped us in testing collector ideas, he said. They are a first-rate group and we are very pleased that NASA has shown the confidence in their ideas and in the Hera mission to provide this support. This sign of support is probably worth more than the dollar figure. The SpaceWorks collector consists of a plastic tray on the end of a flexible arm that is pressed into the surface of the asteroid by the spacecraft. The arm then folds back to place the tray with four times its own weight of surface material in a sample return capsule for return to Earth. SpaceWorks will supervise the project and handle the mechanical aspects of building the collector. The space center will test the collector, using the Andromeda environmental chamber and microgravity flight tests. Collaborators at the Virginia Technical Institute will provide the plastic material. The microgravity tests will be performed on board NASA's reduced gravity facility, an aircraft that flies in parabolic loops so as to simulate the microgravity of a small asteroid. The Hera proposal will be submitted to NASA in the summer of 2003. In the meantime, the team wants to demonstrate the technical feasibility of the idea by constructing the prototype and performing tests, Sears said. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] eBay Sale Meteorite Crater Study Kit
Hello list, I have this item ending on eBay tonight: #2153094725. Take a look. Thanks, Thomas __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] micro spherules (gutter meteoritics)
While these are valid points, and I respect his work, it is painfully obvious that Marco has never duplicated the experiment as I set it out in my article of a couple of years ago. The magnetite grains that make sorting of ground level samples so difficult, because their weight selects against transport by wind, make up only a tiny percentage of the material found at roof level. The dust found at roof level is primarily silicate, and is easily minimized or removed by magnet and filter sorting. I say easily, but it's relative - it takes a couple of hours to do even this simple sorting well on a half cup of material. That's nothing compared to the challenge of sorting spherules from black sands in surface or subsurface samples I've compared to. Roof top samples contain hundreds of times more magnetite grains than spherules. Ground level soil samples contain millions of times more magnetite grains than spherules. This effect will be magnified in deflationary areas, but dramatically minimized in ice. He is absolutely correct that any assumption that a significant portion of the magnetically responsive material found at roof level is of extra-terrestrial origin is false. Of the gross matter recovered, I would estimate microspherules make up less than 1 particle in a very big number (well over a million). After extensive mechanical and magnetic sorting, I would estimate they make up 1 particle in 1000 to 1, but are easily seen and separated, as the perfect spherules are so strikingly different in shape and sheen from the various iron bearing silicates and magnetite grains. By mass, they do not account for so large a figure, even after sorting, as 1 in 1000, or 1 in 1, as they are among the smaller particles. I would be happy to provide samples if anyone would like to make an effort to refute or confirm. - Robert Beauford : ) Message: 13 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:05:18 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] re: Meteoric Dust Here's some good info' that should go into the List Archives, since this subject comes up now and then: --- Attached Message --- Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 12:58:24 +0100 From: Casper ter Kuile (original message from Marco) Subject: (meteorobs) re: Meteoric Dust Ed [Cannon?Majden?] bombarded me as expert on cosmic dust particles in a recent email... ;-) Indeed I did some work in this field; recovering (successfully) cosmic spherules from 400,000 yrs old sediment from an archaeological excavation. Analysis at the UNM showed at least one of these to be genuine. So at least I've seen these things and some experience with searching them under the microscope. Would not consider me an expert though. But I do have a few things to say: Unfortunately, much of the magnetic particles to be collected with a collector on rooftop-level will probably not be meteoritic. As Ed rightfully remarkes, industrial waste products will [be found] among them, and magnetic spherulic particles are a known form of these. In addition, small magnetite crystals which form a natural, often abundant, component of soils, undoubtedly will be among them. I actually feel that with such an experiment (collecting with a rooftop collector), it is most likely that the vast majority of magnetic particles collected will NOT be meteoric dust particles at all. In my own experiment I used a sediment sample collected from a sealed (and thus pristine) level predating (considerably - by 400,000 years) the onset of any form of industrial pollution. And even there, I found (after many evenings of searching behind the micro, and after first using a magnetic separation technique to extract the magnetic particles) only a handfull of possible cosmic spherules, picked out from uncountable quantities of clearly non-meteoric particles, mostly magnetite grains. (The search image was for perfect spherules, as these are not likely to be natural terrestrial products, although even here, one has to be careful, magnetite grains from soils have a crystal appearance, although this is not always clearly apparent. Industrial pollution however can be almost perfectly spherulic too). Thus, the remark from the old newspaper quoted, especially the second half, that: Almost all the meteor dust in the bucket will contain iron; other particles will not. Thus any grains picked up by a magnet can be safely assumed to be meteor dust is certainly NOT correct, as there are many [airborne] magnetic particles that have nothing to do with meteorites at all: not only the industrial waste products, but also magnetic soil particles blown about. If you want to find meteoric dust, the best thing to do is try your hands at a sample which is likely pristine and predating the onset of industrial pollution. This is one reason (the other is connected to maximizing collection surfaces) why scientists in this field often turn to searching in samples
[meteorite-list] A Meteorite? No, It's Just a Bowling Ball
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jan/01082003/utah/18283.asp A Meteorite? No, It's Just a Bowling Ball BY GLEN WARCHOL THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE January 8, 2003 ON THE SALT FLATS If art imitates life, then science, at least in Utah, imitates the Late Show with David Letterman. Letterman and Galileo, two wiseguys who made their marks by dropping objects from great heights, could be consultants on an experiment being considered by the Salt Lake Astronomical Society. For years, Utah amateur astronomers have believed the Bonneville Salt Flats are prime meteorite hunting grounds. The terrain is smooth and white -- the perfect background for finding space rocks, says Patrick Wiggins, NASA Solar System ambassador to Utah. Meteors strike the Earth nearly every day. Fortunately, usually only tiny fragments survive. Still, Utah has had more than a dozen known good-size meteorite impacts. A year ago, volunteers drove the flats, scanning the surface for out-of-place rocks. Aside from rusted junk and objects dropped by the military over the years, they didn't have much luck. A major problem was that they had no idea what a meteorite impact in the salt would look like. Astronomy buffs, who share important characteristics with 8-year-olds, put on their thinking caps. Someone said, 'How can we simulate a meteorite impact?' remembers Wiggins. The idea of a light aircraft dropping a bowling ball came up and that sounded kinda fun. Also under consideration are boulders, shot puts, and -- we can only hope -- canned hams. NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory's meteorite expert Ron Baalke is dubious. Meteors don't tend to be round like a bowling ball. But, a scientist at heart, he admits, Dropping bowling balls sounds like an interesting experiment. Robert Haag, an Arizonan who deals in meteorites with scientists and collectors, is also skeptical, but asks, Where do I sign up to drop the bowling balls? Wiggins says the experiment is still in the early stages. We have an aircraft lined up. And we've had a couple of members donate bowling balls -- one with the proviso that it not be traced back to him. Which brings up a big issue: finding the bowling ball after it impacts at 100 to 200 mph. Ideas vary from fitting the ball with a radio transmitter or a long streamer. The most breathtaking idea is from Wiggins, a skydiver. I could fall with the ball for a while to observe, he says. I'll just hope it doesn't get ab ove me. That, of course, would bring into play physics of the Roadrunner cartoon variety. Wiggins admits the idea is a lark and could go several scary directions in research and development. There's a rocket group in town that lofts bowling balls, he says. We've also heard about a guy in Tooele who has a cannon that shoots bowling balls. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Astronomers Poised To Apply Novel Way To Look For Comets Beyond Neptune
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-01/dlnl-apt010703.php Public release date: 7-Jan-2003 Contact: Anne Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] 925-422-9799 DOE/Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Astronomers poised to apply novel way to look for comets beyond Neptune SEATTLE, Washington- Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory astronomers are major partners in a scientific collaboration that will conduct an extremely novel search for small, comet-like bodies in the outer solar system using four half-meter telescopes. The work was described today at the winter meeting of the American Astronomical Society. Rather than look for the light reflected directly by these objects (as is customary astronomy practice), this project will search for those very rare moments when one of these objects passes between the telescopes and a nearby background star. This brief eclipse lasts less than a second, but will allow the scientists to study objects that are much too faint to be seen in reflected sunlight, even with the largest telescopes. This work was presented today by Sun-Kung King, on behalf of the TAOS Project (TAOS: Taiwanese-American Occultation Survey) and by Matthew Lehner of the University of Pennsylvania. King is an astronomer from the Institute of Astronomy and Astrophysics of the Academia Sinica in Taiwan. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory scientists have played a key role in the design and building of the telescopes and are members of TAOS. The region probed by TAOS is known as the Kuiper Belt, and sometimes as the Edgeworth-Kuiper Belt, after the two scientists who independently proposed its existence more than 50 years ago. There were only two objects (Pluto and its moon Charon) known in this region until the 1990s, when a flood of exciting discoveries of new bodies was started by David Jewitt (at the University of Hawaii) and Jane Luu (then at UC Berkeley). Despite hundreds of discoveries later, much more remains unknown. All theories of this region predict that there are many more small objects than large objects. Conventional telescope searches principally find objects that are larger in diameter than about 100 kilometers. An ambitious program with the Hubble Space Telescope may find objects as small as 10 kilometers in size. The scientists in TAOS believe they will be able to extend this lower limit to about 3 kilometers. It is believed there are billions of objects this small in the outer solar system. The TAOS survey will provide data on remnants of our early solar system and early planet formation, said Kem Cook, a TAOS astronomer who works at Livermore's Institute for Geophysics and Planetary Physics. It will provide us insight into how the solar system evolved. We'll be looking at the smallest objects than anyone else has seen. Current observations and theories can say very little about regions many times farther from the sun than Neptune. TAOS is unique among astronomical surveys in its ability to probe these great distances. TAOS is able to do this because it does not rely on reflected sunlight. These small objects are thought to be directly related to the new comets that wander into the planetary system. Composed of dust and ice, they begin to evaporate when they come closer to the sun, producing the spectacular and beautiful tails that astronomers believe are the oldest objects in the solar system, which makes them especially interesting. The small objects we will detect are much too faint to be seen directly, even by the largest telescopes in the world, King said. We will find them silhouetted against the background stars, which will make it possible for us to detect them. TAOS will consist of four telescopes (only half a meter in diameter), which will be used to monitor up to 2,000 stars. The telescopes will operate in the central highlands of Taiwan. The optical performance of the TAOS telescopes proved difficult to achieve in a compact design. We depended on LLNL precision engineering, optical design and fabrication capabilities to build these telescopes, Cook said. Without that expertise we would not have been able to build the TAOS telescopes. The TAOS collaboration is made up of: King, A. Wang, C.Y. Wen, S.Y. Wang, and T. Lee from the Academia Sinica's Institute of Astronomy and Astrophysics in Taiwan; C. Alcock, R. Dave, J. Giammarco and Lehner from the University of Pennsylvania; Cook, S. Marshall and R. Porrata from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory; W.P. Chen and Z.W. Zhang from the National Central University in Taiwan; Y.I. Byun from Yonsei University in South Korea; J. Lissauer from NASA's Ames Research Center; and I. De Pater, C. Liang and J. Rice from UC Berkeley. TAOS is funded by the Academia Sinica and the National Central University, which receive support from the Ministry of Education and the National Science Council in Taiwan; by the Korean Research Foundation in South Korea; and by NASA at the University of Pennsylvania and the Lawrence
[meteorite-list] Philippine tektites
Dear List: Does anyone have a copy of Beyer's publications on Philippine tektites? If so, please contact me off list. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] looking for some meteorites
Hi list ! I am looking for micromount pieces of the following meteorites: Who has one of them for sale or trade ? Pervomaisky Tazewell Perryville Springwater (3-5 grams) Shaw Sahara 99527 NWA 830 please contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Ing. Christian ANGER Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] First Neptune Trojan Discovered
http://www.noao.edu/outreach/press/pr03/pr0302.html National Optical Astronomy Observatory Tucson, Arizona For More Information: Douglas Isbell Public Information Officer National Optical Astronomy Observatory Phone: 520/318-8214 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kristi Phillips Lowell Observatory Phone: 928/774-3358, x232 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EMBARGOED FOR RELEASE: 2:00 a.m. PST, January 8, 2003 RELEASE NO: NOAO 03-02 First Neptune Trojan Discovered Astronomers have discovered a small body orbiting the Sun at the distance of Neptune whose orbit makes it the first known member of a long-sought population of objects known as Neptune Trojans. This small body, known as 2001 QR322, leads Neptune around its orbit in such a way as to maintain -- on average -- approximately equal distance from Neptune and the Sun. As such, it mimics the Trojan asteroids of Jupiter, which orbit the Sun in two clouds approximately 60 degrees ahead of and behind Jupiter. The first Jovian Trojan was discovered in 1906, and approximately 1,560 such objects are known today. However, until the discovery of 2001 QR322, Trojan-like objects associated with other giant planets had not been found. 2001 QR322 was discovered in the course of the Deep Ecliptic Survey, a NASA-funded survey of the outer solar system that uses the National Science Foundation's telescopes at Kitt Peak National Observatory near Tucson, AZ, and Cerro Tololo Inter-American Observatory in Chile. Astronomers from Lowell Observatory, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, the University of California at Berkeley, the University of Hawaii, the University of Pennsylvania, and the Large Binocular Telescope Observatory comprise the Deep Ecliptic Survey team. The team first detected 2001 QR322 on August 21, 2001, in deep digital images taken with the 4-meter Blanco Telescope at Cerro Tololo by Marc Buie, Robert Millis, and Lawrence Wasserman of Lowell Observatory. However, several subsequent observations, made with a variety of telescopes over the past 16 months, coupled with numerical orbit integrations of the trajectory of the asteroid, were required to prove that 2001 QR322 is indeed a Neptune Trojan. The object is estimated to be approximately 230 kilometers (140 miles) in diameter and, like Neptune, requires about 166 years to complete each circuit of its orbit. Neptunian Trojans were long suspected to exist and it is gratifying to finally know that they do, says team member Eugene Chiang of the University of California at Berkeley. The orbit of 2001 QR322 is remarkably stable; projections of its trajectory into the future reveal that it can co-orbit with Neptune for at least billions of years. It is likely that 2001 QR322 is a dynamically pristine object whose orbital eccentricity and inclination have been largely unaltered by processes that afflicted the majority of bodies in the outer solar system. A graphic that describes the orbit of 2001 QR322 is available. Kitt Peak and Cerro Tololo Inter-American Observatory are part of the National Optical Astronomy Observatory (NOAO), which is operated by the Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy (AURA), Inc., under a cooperative agreement with the National Science Foundation. The survey team's research is supported in part by the NASA Planetary Astronomy Program through grants to Lowell Observatory, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and the University of Hawaii; by the National Science Foundation through a grant to the University of California at Berkeley; by the Space Telescope Science Institute through grants to University of Pennsylvania and by the University of California at Berkeley; by the University of California at Berkeley through a Faculty Research Award; and by the Friends of Lowell Observatory. NOTE: Marc Buie, Robert Millis, and Larry Wasserman can be reached at 928/774-3358 or via email at: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eugene Chiang can be reached at 510/642-2131 or via email at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more information about the Deep Ecliptic Survey, see: http://www.lowell.edu/Research/DES/ IMAGE CAPTION: The left-hand panel displays a bird's-eye view of the outer solar system, with the orbits of Jupiter (J), Saturn (S), Uranus (U), and Neptune (N) about the Sun shown schematically. The dark tube of points lying on Neptune's orbit marks the path of the newly discovered Trojan object 2001 QR322, relative to Neptune. The Trojan shuttles back and forth along Neptune's orbit as indicated by the red and green curved arrows. Each full shuttling takes about 10,000 years to complete. The small inset rectangle at left is magnified in the right-hand panel. When plotted over time, 2001 QR322 traces a local corkscrew pattern. The red curve traces the path of the Trojan as it travels away from Neptune, as indicated by the red arrows. The green curve traces the trajectory of the Trojan as it approaches Neptune. Each full twist of the
[meteorite-list] Looking for NWA 061
Hallo List, I am looking for a nice piece of NWA061 for my collection. Who has some of this for sale or trade? Please contact me off list. Best regards === Hanno Strufe Home position on planet Earth Langenbergstrasse 32 N 49.21 092; 66954 Pirmasens E 007.53 558; 358 m Germany Phone + Fax: +49 6331 225 105 www.strufe.net IMCA #4267 ===
[meteorite-list] Tucson Information Page
Greetings Dealers and List! Dealers, please start sending in your Tucson plans for our information page. We will be posting the link on our main page of meteorite.com and on MeteoriteTimes.com in the next day or two. Thank you! Paul and Jim ** Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Meteorite Exchange, Inc. http://www.meteorite.com MeteoriteTimes.com Magazine http://www.meteoritetimes.com PMB#455 P.O. Box 7000, Redondo Beach, CA 90277 USA FAX Number(310) 316-1032 ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] HELP, I need photo for a nice project!
Hello all list! For the new meteorite display in Natural History Museum of Belgium (IRScNB), I look for many photos. These photos will be include in manywindowson a luminous "meteorite wall". Credit referencewill be written undereach photo.Photos must be in gif / jpg /pdf / png format, and perfect quality. Thedimension is not important (not too little of course) I look for following photos: Complete view of Hoba meteorite Ourique "crater" impact (portugal, H4,1998 dec.28) Main mass of Zagami Diurnal bolide Mjolnir crater (40 Km) Kaalijarvi crater or Morasko crater A very weathered and oxidisedmeteorite Photo of Groenland expedition after the 1997 event. A very high resolution photo of Taguish lake fragment A nice photo of saharian, with Sahara landscape A nice Antarctic meteorite on ice field Lunar slices- DAG 262- 400- etc...(differents matrix are welcome) JPL or NIPR laboratory environment Very nice perfectly oriented meteorite (Adamana or others) NWA011 I think that it's the end... I thank you very much, Cordially, Vincent JACQUES [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! Cliquez-ici __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] woodbine, il meteorite and the other STEVE ARNOLD
Hi list. I just want to let everyone know that I talked to the other steve arnold tonight and he is doing just fine. On another note, I am looking for a piece of the woodbine, illinois meteorite. Does anyone have any forsale?Or does anyone eant to let any go? Let me know. steve arnold, chicagoSteve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107 The midwest meteorite collector! I.M.C.A. member #6728 Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.comDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Information Page
Hello Paul and list, Paul wrote: Dealers, please start sending in your Tucson plans for our information page. We will be posting the link on our main page of meteorite.com and on MeteoriteTimes.com in the next day or two. I will be in Tucson from Feb. 6, the day before the activities start, to Feb. 9, the sunday and last day of the meteorite part of Tucson. If any list member is going and would like to get together, please e-mail me off list for my cell phone number. Sounds like a nice break. A big thank you to those that worked in planning the different events, your time and exspense is appreciated by all. I will not be stuck in a selling room this year and look forward to seeing everybody. Mark Bostick Thanks, Mark Bostick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Death Of A Dream
Dear List and MT Writers, I just got off the phone with Jim and I regret to inform you that MeteoriteTimes.com died tonight. We had a dream of giving back to the meteorite community some of what we have received. Jim and I spent much of what little free time we had on producing the magazine. What we lacked was the time it takes to police each and every word, each and every picture, each and every link. We lacked the time and clairvoyance to realize when material was not mentioned. We did not spend our free time and creative energies to be spoken to as we have been. We did not spend our free time and creative energies to cause infighting between others. We did not spend our free time and creative energies to have to bother the list with e-mails like this. To the vast majority who will miss the magazine, I truly apologize and I'm sorry. Paul __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Another mag bites the dust!
Dear List, After a brief conversation with Paul it was agreed that we would pull the MeteoriteTimes magazine down off the web and pick up our toys and go home. And I had a neat article already written for next month. We tried to offer valuable information and good science. What we fought the whole time was a battle to keep out the personal agendas of dealers who were contributors. Editing and worrying about any information concerning pricing. Careful that there was never mention of others dealers names by dealers, and ebay auction results and many more things. That is beside the fact that some of the material submitted was just badly thought out and poor science. Well, whether out of rushing around with the holidays and trying to get an issue out; we missed a couple things this month. They became matters of concern to certain individuals. Frankly, I have spent the week moderating the disputes of dealers in the meteorite business over things that we had little or no involvement in, except that they were written or done by contributing writers. This was never what the magazine was to be about. None of this has anything to do with the joy of studying meteorites and sharing stories. It involves egos and business. So when Paul called today with another problem created by one of our contributors, we came to the easy decision to drop the magazine. This reflects our general philosophy of life. As hard as we work, if the things we do in our spare time are not fun, we don't do them. Both of us have very little spare time. I work on average 55 hours a week in a high stress environment. Responsible for the entire operation of the production floor of a large printing company. He is working similarly stressful hours. As has so often be seen on this list, we are a community with some individuals who do not always work and play well with others. I have this week (and so has Paul) been in the nasty position of trying to balance long standing dear friendships with disputes created because we provided a place for the exchange of ideas. I will never choose losing friend over anything. It is my hope that when the dust settles that these individuals that I care deeply about will still choose to call me friend. I choose not to be hardened and ignore that there are friendships at stake. One meteorite investigator offended a dealer who is his friend. It occurred because of a photo used on our magazine. I took the blame for not seeing the offending element in the picture. But the thumbnail in our article did not have the element. The larger picture linked to our thumbnail which is not on our server was different. I took the blame I should have looked at every link to see what was there, probably a hundred links in this issue. Today, it is an argument over one person taking unfair advantage to promote themselves and their business; while not mentioning the activities of a similar kind by someone else. And these individuals are all good friends of ours. After raising four children and now having five grandchildren, I have despite my old nature become a pretty open person about my feelings. And all this saddens me and is frankly breaking my heart. To say the least it has taken the joy out of doing the magazine. With that said I offer an apology to anyone feeling slighted by anything we offered in the magazine. I have felt all week that there were maybe still black feathers in my mouth from the big meals of crow I have been eating. Paul and I spoke as I said rather briefly to agreed to this, and ended by saying we would send messages from our guts to the list, without discussing our posts with each other. I'm am just as interested as you to read what he says. Art I apologize to you also, this is the first non-meteoritic email I have ever sent, breaking one more rule today. Jim Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Meteorite Exchange __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] No Longer Hosting A Tucson Information Page
Dear List, Do to the fact that we might be held liable for mentioning one person more than another we will NOT be hosting a Tucson Information page as we have in the past years. How sad... Paul __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
