Re: [meteorite-list] Re: An Aerolite Liar
Hello Geoff and List, Thanks for your thoughts and comments Geoff. I should note that the fiend misspelling (friend) was done on my part and not the (angry) writer. While I do doult that these reports all came from one person, killing this "canard" might however be fair justice. Here it is over 100 years later and he is creating more work for me, now that's a prank.:>) Mark Bostick www.MeteoriteArticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: An Aerolite Liar
Here Here! Roman - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: An Aerolite Liar > Dear Ken, Mark, and List: > > >A reply was received from Postermaster Scott stating that the report > >"is a canard," no such aerolite having fallen. > > > I greatly enjoyed the archaic writing style of this article, and also > the hilarious content. I see that meteorite pranksters were hard at > work even in the 1800s. What industrious fellows they were, skulking > about the country filing reports of aerolites "as large as a > hogshead," and others that had killed farmers in their beds. I assume > that Mohamed will now be spurred on to even greater feats of > discovery, finding tomorrow perhaps, a new Lunar or Martian meteorite > the size of a camel's hump, or a donkey. > > We usually now see this wonderful word "aerolite" only in old > articles, and perhaps hand written on vintage collection labels. The > most enjoyable part for me, however, was the usage of this word > "canard" -- meaning, in English, "a false or malicious report." More > amusingly -- and as our own Anne Black knows full well -- it is the > French word for "duck," as in the bird. I suppose this term should > now be reserved specially for fake meteorite reports made by quacks. > > The journalist showed little objectivity at the end, when he stated > that "the friend" (I assume he meant "fiend") who had been > perpetrating these canards, "should be killed"! Now that's the way to > deal with these pranksters : ) > > Regards, > > Geoff N. > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting
Hi Robert and list I'm curious about this latent magnetic field. If its anything like that used for paleomag, of what real interest is it except that the meteorite came from a body large enough to develope a magnetic field which, if my understanding of magnetics is fair enough would only tell you the body developed a field. And this may be debatable if there was enough heat around the area where the meteorite came from that the field isn't "set in stone" because of a major impact or something ripped the parent body apart (as may be the case with irons and mesosiderites and such). If the rock is still plastic when this occurs, the field is subject to many other factors and may not even represent the parent body's field anyway. Mark - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'rochette' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting > Hi Pierre and List, > > Here's my take on the use of magnets to search for meteorites. > If you're a novice meteorite hunter -- by all means use them! > Hobbling a beginner by removing this basic tool from his > arsenal is unfair, unrealistic, and completely unnecessary. > It's hard enough making that first find -- doing so without > a magnet will just make it take that much longer. > > As for disturbing the latent magnetic field of some ordinary > chondrite, the reality is that no one is ever going to spend > the money to measure it for your meteorite. No one. The > evidence? There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of > recovered meteorites in the world's collections today. On a > percentage basis, what fraction of those were found without > the use of a magnet (well over 95%) and what fraction of those > have been analyzed magnetically (less than 0.1%)? The point > I'm trying to make is that anyone really interested in the > latent magnetic fields of meteorites has far more material > already at their disposal than they could ever have time or > money to test. > > That said, I do not believe a magnet is especially useful > to a veteran meteorite hunter (who isn't searching a known > strewnfield). Indeed, as Pierre and others have argued, > dependence on a positive magnet response may eliminate > some of the rarer and more scientifically valuable > specimens. I still carry one with me, but I rarely use > it any longer. My eyes are a better discriminator. > > So to me it really boils down to a non-issue. When meteorite > hunters are first starting out, they'll use a magnet until > they have a few dozen ordinary chondrite finds. Sure, they'll > magnetically "kill" these finds, but their mounting success > will eventually wean them from their magnets at about the > time that over-dependence on them would hurt hunters more > than help them. --Rob > > P.S. Perhaps a compass can be used as a "weaning" device? > It generates a minimal magnetic field, and yet is sensitive > enough to detect most H- and L-chondrites. > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] flow lines & fusion crust
Matteo.. Matteo.. Matteo. He jerked your chain and you kicked..lol. But iffn you ask me.. it looks like someone burnt the roasted marshmallow on a sweet potato. Rosie - Original Message - From: "M come Meteorite Meteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] flow lines & fusion crust > Fusion crust and regmagliptes: > > http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteorite2000/Meteor1.JPG > > opsssbut but is a piece of hematite. > > Lunar meteorite > > http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteorite2000/meteor10.JPG > > opsssbut but is a fusion slag > > I ask to all of the list not to answer more to this > individual that continues to send hundred of > photograph - and also weighing to unload - thinking to > have tons of rarest meteorites in house. Mr. Yousef > but because instead of to come to stress the life in > this list you not show your meteorites to the yours so > praised institutes where are analyzing your lunars > meteorites? Last email to you, the others i opens > only for laugh of your " meteorites ". Remember you > have to give to me $1000 of the pieces I send to you, > give to me your address and I send. Payment via > paypal. > Regards > > Matteo > > > --- M Yousef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear All; > > Please have a look at this new nice rock that have > > clear flow lines and > > crust: > > > > http://alifyaa.com/meteorite/fc1/index.html > > > > I appreciate any comments. > > > > Best Regards > > > > Mohamed H. Yousef > > -- > > > > > > > _ > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months > > FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > = > M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato > Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info > International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 > MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting
Hello Mark and List, That is where a good metal detector comes in! Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: mafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tom aka James Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting > Hi Tom and list > But what about those that are covered by surface soil deposited by wind and > water after the fall? > I, too, have not been in a known strewn field, but it seems to me that with > the santa ana's of southern Cal, rocks could both be covered and uncovered > many times over the years. > > Mark > - Original Message - > From: Tom aka James Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Rafael B. Torres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:02 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting > > > > Hello List, It seems to me, a beginner, that you can use a magnet to find > > the first meteorite then all the searching in the area should be done > > without one. After the first find you would know what you are looking for. > > Then if it turns out to be a strewn field they can test one of the others > > for all the magnetic stuff? If your first find turns out to be the only > one, > > Bummer! I personally like a magnet just because I am to lazy to keep > bending > > over and picking up rocks! ( not to mention the pain in the back by the > end > > of the hunt) > > > > Thanks, Tom > > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > > - Original Message - > > From: Rafael B. Torres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting > > > > > > > Hello Robert, I truly agree with you, right now I dont have 1,800 > dollars > > > for a magnet, instead I could use that money for meteorite training, > thus > > > harming the magnetic field history of the first meteorites, but after > that > > I > > > would be able to have more non-harmed meteorites. Even with magnets > > > meteorite searching is difficult for starters like me, so I think I > first > > > need some field training and then I can do it only with my eyes. I think > I > > > have now a good plan for a meteorite expedition, THANKS TO ALL THOSE > > PEOPLE > > > WHO HAVE HELPED ME..thanks a lot Michael¡... =0) > > > > > > > > > > > > =0) > > > Rafael B. Torres > > > Space Collection 2001 > > > http://www.geocities.com/rafael_blando > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting
Hi Tom and list But what about those that are covered by surface soil deposited by wind and water after the fall? I, too, have not been in a known strewn field, but it seems to me that with the santa ana's of southern Cal, rocks could both be covered and uncovered many times over the years. Mark - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Rafael B. Torres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting > Hello List, It seems to me, a beginner, that you can use a magnet to find > the first meteorite then all the searching in the area should be done > without one. After the first find you would know what you are looking for. > Then if it turns out to be a strewn field they can test one of the others > for all the magnetic stuff? If your first find turns out to be the only one, > Bummer! I personally like a magnet just because I am to lazy to keep bending > over and picking up rocks! ( not to mention the pain in the back by the end > of the hunt) > > Thanks, Tom > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > - Original Message - > From: Rafael B. Torres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:32 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting > > > > Hello Robert, I truly agree with you, right now I dont have 1,800 dollars > > for a magnet, instead I could use that money for meteorite training, thus > > harming the magnetic field history of the first meteorites, but after that > I > > would be able to have more non-harmed meteorites. Even with magnets > > meteorite searching is difficult for starters like me, so I think I first > > need some field training and then I can do it only with my eyes. I think I > > have now a good plan for a meteorite expedition, THANKS TO ALL THOSE > PEOPLE > > WHO HAVE HELPED ME..thanks a lot Michael¡... =0) > > > > > > > > =0) > > Rafael B. Torres > > Space Collection 2001 > > http://www.geocities.com/rafael_blando > > > > > > > > _ > > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Little Green Man Skull!
Kinda reminds me of the old Freddy Fender song: "Wasted Days and Wasted Nights" :-D Steve Sachs / IMCA #9240 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] new url and back to my old email
Good evening list. After this sunday, I am going to go back to my old email address (this one).Please make a note of it.Also I changed my url to my website.It is http://www.illinoismeteorites.com.Again please make a note of this.I will be working on and off on my website for the next few weeks. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 The Midwest Meteorite Collector! Website url http://www.illinoismeteorites.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: An Aerolite Liar
Dear Ken, Mark, and List: A reply was received from Postermaster Scott stating that the report "is a canard," no such aerolite having fallen. I greatly enjoyed the archaic writing style of this article, and also the hilarious content. I see that meteorite pranksters were hard at work even in the 1800s. What industrious fellows they were, skulking about the country filing reports of aerolites "as large as a hogshead," and others that had killed farmers in their beds. I assume that Mohamed will now be spurred on to even greater feats of discovery, finding tomorrow perhaps, a new Lunar or Martian meteorite the size of a camel's hump, or a donkey. We usually now see this wonderful word "aerolite" only in old articles, and perhaps hand written on vintage collection labels. The most enjoyable part for me, however, was the usage of this word "canard" -- meaning, in English, "a false or malicious report." More amusingly -- and as our own Anne Black knows full well -- it is the French word for "duck," as in the bird. I suppose this term should now be reserved specially for fake meteorite reports made by quacks. The journalist showed little objectivity at the end, when he stated that "the friend" (I assume he meant "fiend") who had been perpetrating these canards, "should be killed"! Now that's the way to deal with these pranksters : ) Regards, Geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NP Article, 02-1908 Meteorite Find?
Title: Trenton Evening Times City: Trenton, Nj Date: Monday, February 24, 1908 Page: 2 FINDS METEORITE 2000 YEARS OLD The Post-Intelligencer of Seattle says: H. G. Herrold, the timber cruiser of Tacoma, who last fall discovered a meteorite in the foothills of the Baker mountans in Whatcom County, and who has been corresponding with the Smithsonian Institution and several other museums of the country relative to the sale of teh curiosity, has recieved an offer of $2,000 for it. Mr. Herrold does not at present say what museum has made him the offer for the celestrial visitant, but the institution has notified him that its representative will make an examination of the meteorite. the meteorite, which was described in the Post-Intelligencer of December 20 lest, is a monolith four feet wide, six feet high and ten feet long, and consists of the meteorite iron, according to Mr. Herrold, that when once seen can never be mistaken. He says the meteorite was probably three times its present size when it fell, and he is convinced from observation made on the spot that it fell at least 2,000 years ago, and probably 2,500. "The meteorite is lying on a hogback," said Mr. Herrold recently. "A little creek that now flows through the forest close by it has been formed since and has been flowing down its bed for untold ages. The big hole made in the earth by the mighty impact of teh monolith, as it was hurled by the power of gravity, has all been healed by the erosion of the centuries of rainfall, leaving the meteorite, which was originally half buried, lying almost on the top of the ground." A scrapiron man of the city has made Herrold an offer for the meteorite, providing he will deliver it. This is where the shoe pinches as according to letters Herrold has received from museums, it wil take a great amoun of money to get it out of the foothills. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NP Article, 05-1933 Tunguska
Title: The Helena Independent City: Helena, Mt Date: Friday, May 26, 1933 Page: 4 The Haskin Letter By Frederic J Haskin Author of The American Goverment Washington, D. C. May 21 - Imaginative people often wondered what would happen if some planet, whirling through space at incredible speed, should come in collision with the earth. Some idea of what might happen may be obtained from a record of what did happen when a mere fragment from outer space did strike the earth. The largest meteorite known to have struch the earth in modern times fell in Siberia 25 years ago. Some millions of people were well aware that something had happened, for the impact was so great that the seismographs of half the world trembled. Russian scientists have made several expeditions to the scene and a new one now is being arranged which, this summer, it is hoped, will find out all there is to be known about this missle from space. Although the year of the meteorite was long before the Soviet regime, Soviet scientists have gathered evidence of what happened at the time. It was at 7 o'clock on the evening of June 30, 1908, when the meteorite struck the earth not far beyond the Siberian river. Podkammenaya Tungus at 64 north latitude, 102 east longitude. Although, at that high latitude, the sun still shone brightly, the glow from the flaming meteorite cast an illumination of startling brilliance which, the records say, was visible for 500 miles. The fall was accompanied with a roar like thunder which was heard within a radius of about 1,200 miles. The Tungus river system flows in lonely country. There are not many towns in the region and presumably, anyone at all near the place was killed. The air wave which was blown off at the time of the collision was so great that men and even horses were knocked over 500 miles away. Meteoroligical stations nearly 800 miles away registered the gust of wind. Records of seismographs over practically the entire northern hemisphere show that the shock of the impact was felt, causing pronounced earth tremors. After the meteorite had struck the atmosphere was filled with a vast cloud of silvery dust. This spread over western Siberia and was visible in earthern Europe. It caught the glow of the sunset and remained luminous for hours. Reference to newspapers of the period reveals that such remarkable happenings were recorded. So great was the distance from the place where the meteorite fell to populous regions that little was known about the true cause of the disturbance until long afterwards. Surroundings Are Damaged As though the meteorite has been directed by the guiding Hand, careful of the safety of the people of the earth, it fell in what is perhaps the most desolate region of the world. Siberia as a whole is sufficiently desolate, but the Tungus region is the most desolate in Siberia. The Yeninsel river runs northward into the Arctic sea. It has three branches costituting the Tungus river system extending eastward. The Lower Tungus is farthest north, then comes the Stony Tungus and to the south, the Upper Tungus. All are huge rivers flowing over a region which is partly heavily forested and partly frozen tundra. It was not until 1921 that the first expedition was fitted out to investiage the place where the meteorite fell. Doubtless there would have been eariler attempts had it not been for the World war. It is not clear that the exact location was found by the first expedition but in 1927 an expedition sent out by the Irkutsk observatory was led by guides to the actual site. When the party came into the region, although still far away from the vital spot, evidences of the damage done by the huge progectile from space became apparent. The wind force of the splash of air, sent off by the striking of the meteorite, had felled trees for miles around. The trees had been huried tot he ground with their tops all pointing away from the spot where the sky missle fell. In a great circle, forming a circumference scores of miles around, the uprooted trees lay prone. Even the roots which ordinarily would would stick up out of the ground on one side, had been leveled as though by a gigantic seythe. also, the upper sides of the fallen trees were all scorched as though intense heat had passed over them. Even some miles beyond the great ring of fallen trees, trees still standing bore evidence of having been scorched at the top. The theory is that a wave of burning gas swept over the forest and then was dissipated in the atmosphere. It is not yet known how deeply the meteorite penetraded into the earth but there is evidence that there was a disturbance of under ground waters. Now the site of that fall is a wide marsh. So little is known about the region that it can not definitely he said that a marsh did not exist there before. At any rate, it is marsh now and may have been produced by the welling up of underground waters due to the t
[meteorite-list] NP Article, 09-1897 Cape York Meteorite
Title: The Daily Northwestern City: Oshkosh, Wi Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1897 Page: 4 Lieut. Peary and his party who have spent the summer in Greenland picking up relics and specimens and meteorites have arrived at Sidney, Cape Brotone Island, and will soon reach New York. Lieut. Peary has in the hold of his vessel the huge meteorite which he wanted to bring on his former return trip, but which he had not then the appliance to handle. This is supposed to be the largest meteorite yet discovered, and no doubt scientists will have a lovely time picking at it when the huge bulk arrives on terra firma. Lieut. Peary has brought with him an outfit of Esquimaux, dogs, sleds, boats, ect., with which to make an attempt to reach the north pole next year. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Kilabo and Thuathe
Remember, it´s statistics with rare events, not really large numbers in terms of comparable falls. One is sometimes tempted to draw early conclusions which then may turn out to be false in the end. Another example which comes to mind are the Pribram (fell April 7, 1959) and Neuschwanstein (fell April 6, 2002) meteorites. Both were observed to fall by the European fireball network and for both of them almost identical (that is: within very narrow error bars) orbital element parameters were derived from the precise observations. So an early prediction was that both Neuschwanstein and Pribram might be very closely related to each other in their cosmic histories. Now Pribram is an H5. What a big surprise it was when it finally and definitely turned out that Neuschwanstein was belonging to quite a different class, namely EL6! (PS: now this may give rise to different thoughts, but that´s another story!) Alex Berlin/Germany Bernd Pauli HD wrote: > > ... but even if it is local time for both falls, their > fall times are surprisingly close to one another: > > 19:30 hrs local time for Kilabo (09° 48' E) > 15:49 hrs local time for Thuathe (27° 30' E) > > The difference in longitude is 17° 42' which would > correspond to a difference in time of ca. 71 minutes. > > In this case the two falls would be about 2 > and a half hours apart. Still pretty close! > > Best regards, > > Bernd > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting
Hello List, It seems to me, a beginner, that you can use a magnet to find the first meteorite then all the searching in the area should be done without one. After the first find you would know what you are looking for. Then if it turns out to be a strewn field they can test one of the others for all the magnetic stuff? If your first find turns out to be the only one, Bummer! I personally like a magnet just because I am to lazy to keep bending over and picking up rocks! ( not to mention the pain in the back by the end of the hunt) Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Rafael B. Torres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting > Hello Robert, I truly agree with you, right now I dont have 1,800 dollars > for a magnet, instead I could use that money for meteorite training, thus > harming the magnetic field history of the first meteorites, but after that I > would be able to have more non-harmed meteorites. Even with magnets > meteorite searching is difficult for starters like me, so I think I first > need some field training and then I can do it only with my eyes. I think I > have now a good plan for a meteorite expedition, THANKS TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE > WHO HAVE HELPED ME..thanks a lot Michael¡... =0) > > > > =0) > Rafael B. Torres > Space Collection 2001 > http://www.geocities.com/rafael_blando > > > > _ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NP Article, 06-1886 An Aerolite Liar
Mark, Thanks for this article... It explains a previous article you posted from Fort Wayne Weekly, Fort Wayne, IN, Wed., Jan 29, 1879. And also the article Murderous Meteorite -1879. http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/mm.html It is amazing that a hoaxer could get away with so many hoaxes over such a long time without being caught. best, Ken MARK BOSTICK wrote: > Paper: The Landmark > City: Statesville, North Carolina > Date: Thursday, June 24, 1886 > Page: 1 > > An Aerolite Liar > > Correspondence of The Landmark. > > This statement appeared in a Washington, Pa., dispatch of May 27: > "After months of search Professor Jonathan Emerick, of William and Mary > College, has discovered the aerolite which fell in Washington county > September 14, 1885. It was found imbedded deep in soil, on Frederick > Miller's farm, two miles north of Claysville. Professor Emerick says it is > the largest aeroliste on record and weighs fully 200 tons. Its compostion > is chromium, nickel, alumnium, copper, magnesium and tin." A reply was > received from Postermaster Scott stating that the report "is a canard," no > such aerolite having fallen. > There seems to be some person in the associated press who makes it his > business or pastime to invent aerolite discoveries, for it has been kept up > for a number of years. The first instance I can now recall was the alleged > fall near Fort Worth, Texas, of an aerolite a mile in width. When I read > the press dispatch I telegraphed to Fort Worth and ascertained that the > statement was a lie out of the whole cloth. Then, in 1878, there came a > dispath from some place in Arkansas, stating that an aerolite had fallen > there and killed a farmer in his bed. I investigated that statement and > found it was false. Again, in 1882, it was reported in a press dispatch > that an aerolite as large as a hogshead had fallen in Georgia. I made > diligent inquiries only to learn there was no truth in the report. Two > months ago a press dispath from Washington stated that an aerolite had > fallen in that city. It only proved that the liar had got around in the > direction. there canards have cost some expense for correspondence and > telegraphy, and the friend should be killed. > > W.E.H. > > www.MeteoriteArticles.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting
Hello Robert, I truly agree with you, right now I dont have 1,800 dollars for a magnet, instead I could use that money for meteorite training, thus harming the magnetic field history of the first meteorites, but after that I would be able to have more non-harmed meteorites. Even with magnets meteorite searching is difficult for starters like me, so I think I first need some field training and then I can do it only with my eyes. I think I have now a good plan for a meteorite expedition, THANKS TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HELPED ME..thanks a lot Michael¡... =0) =0) Rafael B. Torres Space Collection 2001 http://www.geocities.com/rafael_blando _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Magnetic susceptibility probe
Hi Pierre and List, Pierre suggested: > yes there is a way, both preserving the magnetic memory and highly > improving the magnetic discrimination: a simple magnetic > susceptibility probe, pocket sized, that gives you in a second a > quantitative estimate of the amount of metal or magnetite in a piece > of rock. It costs 1800 $. It sounds intriguing, but at that price I doubt any meteorite hunter is going to spring for it. > It can easily discriminate between LL and L, L and H or even eucrite > and howardite, for example. Ahhh, but what about weathering? If you can't see into the interior of a meteorite, you'll know nothing about its weathering grade. The range of responses corresponding to the various weathering grades of an H (for instance) will easily intersect that of the L's and probably even unweathered LL's. Presumably similar difficulties will be encountered with achondrites. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thuathe - Time of Fall
The time difference from Lesotho to Nigeria should only be one hour. so the Falls were actually 4 hours apart. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "Bernd Pauli HD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:14 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Thuathe - Time of Fall > Mike Farmer wrote: > > > The Thuathe meteorite fell in Lesotho near the capital > > of Maseru on the 21st of July, 2002 at 3:49 pm. > > http://www.meteoriteguy.com/index > > > Hello Mike, Eric, and List, > > 3:49 pm local time or UT? Why am I asking? We've heard > that the Kilabo (Hadejia) LL6 stones fell on the same > day at 19:30 hrs local time. The time difference would > be about 3 hours so that both falls would have occurred > within about 40 minutes!!! > > Best regards, > > Bernd > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation - Thuathe
Sorry...missed that post. Thanks. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation - Thuathe
Hello, we addressed this before in an email from South Africa. The meteorite is pronounces Too-what-tea. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation - Thuathe > Since we were on this topic yesterday for Tatahouine. > > Anyone want to offer up a recommendation on how to pronounce "Thuathe"? I'd like to know how to greet them when my stones arrive. > > My completely uninformed guess: Too - ah' - tuh > > Sincerely, > > Craig > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Kilabo and Thuathe
No, Thuathe is an (H4), very high metal, Kilabo is an LL6 light colored highly brecciated. Very different types. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bernd Pauli HD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Kilabo and Thuathe > Hello Bernd and list. I have to ask, Are these the same classification? If > so where they traveling in space together? If not the same could one be the > impactor and the other a impactee from years back? > > Thanks, Tom > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > > > > - Original Message - > From: Bernd Pauli HD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Meteorite List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:46 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Kilabo and Thuathe > > > > but even if it is local time for both falls, their > > fall times are surprisingly close to one another: > > > > 19:30 hrs local time for Kilabo (09° 48' E) > > 15:49 hrs local time for Thuathe (27° 30' E) > > > > The difference in longitude is 17° 42' which would > > correspond to a difference in time of ca. 71 minutes. > > > > In this case the two falls would be about 2 > > and a half hours apart. Still pretty close! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Bernd > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Kilabo and Thuathe
Hello Bernd and list. I have to ask, Are these the same classification? If so where they traveling in space together? If not the same could one be the impactor and the other a impactee from years back? Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Bernd Pauli HD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Meteorite List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:46 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Kilabo and Thuathe > but even if it is local time for both falls, their > fall times are surprisingly close to one another: > > 19:30 hrs local time for Kilabo (09° 48' E) > 15:49 hrs local time for Thuathe (27° 30' E) > > The difference in longitude is 17° 42' which would > correspond to a difference in time of ca. 71 minutes. > > In this case the two falls would be about 2 > and a half hours apart. Still pretty close! > > > Best regards, > > Bernd > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Kilabo and Thuathe
... but even if it is local time for both falls, their fall times are surprisingly close to one another: 19:30 hrs local time for Kilabo (09° 48' E) 15:49 hrs local time for Thuathe (27° 30' E) The difference in longitude is 17° 42' which would correspond to a difference in time of ca. 71 minutes. In this case the two falls would be about 2 and a half hours apart. Still pretty close! Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting
Hi Pierre and List, Here's my take on the use of magnets to search for meteorites. If you're a novice meteorite hunter -- by all means use them! Hobbling a beginner by removing this basic tool from his arsenal is unfair, unrealistic, and completely unnecessary. It's hard enough making that first find -- doing so without a magnet will just make it take that much longer. As for disturbing the latent magnetic field of some ordinary chondrite, the reality is that no one is ever going to spend the money to measure it for your meteorite. No one. The evidence? There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of recovered meteorites in the world's collections today. On a percentage basis, what fraction of those were found without the use of a magnet (well over 95%) and what fraction of those have been analyzed magnetically (less than 0.1%)? The point I'm trying to make is that anyone really interested in the latent magnetic fields of meteorites has far more material already at their disposal than they could ever have time or money to test. That said, I do not believe a magnet is especially useful to a veteran meteorite hunter (who isn't searching a known strewnfield). Indeed, as Pierre and others have argued, dependence on a positive magnet response may eliminate some of the rarer and more scientifically valuable specimens. I still carry one with me, but I rarely use it any longer. My eyes are a better discriminator. So to me it really boils down to a non-issue. When meteorite hunters are first starting out, they'll use a magnet until they have a few dozen ordinary chondrite finds. Sure, they'll magnetically "kill" these finds, but their mounting success will eventually wean them from their magnets at about the time that over-dependence on them would hurt hunters more than help them. --Rob P.S. Perhaps a compass can be used as a "weaning" device? It generates a minimal magnetic field, and yet is sensitive enough to detect most H- and L-chondrites. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] flow lines & fusion crust
I have show the photos, in my last email, is the same material you send in your spam emails. Adios Matteo --- M Yousef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matteo said: > > >only for laugh of your " meteorites ". Remember you > >have to give to me $1000 of the pieces I send to > you, > >give to me your address and I send. Payment via > >paypal. > >Regards > > Please show me a picture and I will pay to you even > before you send to my > address. > > > > Mohamed H. Yousef > -- > > > > > > >From: M come Meteorite Meteorites > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] flow lines & fusion > crust > >Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:03:01 -0800 (PST) > > > >Fusion crust and regmagliptes: > > > >http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteorite2000/Meteor1.JPG > > > >opsssbut but is a piece of hematite. > > > >Lunar meteorite > > > >http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteorite2000/meteor10.JPG > > > >opsssbut but is a fusion slag > > > >I ask to all of the list not to answer more to this > >individual that continues to send hundred of > >photograph - and also weighing to unload - thinking > to > >have tons of rarest meteorites in house. Mr. > Yousef > >but because instead of to come to stress the life > in > >this list you not show your meteorites to the yours > so > >praised institutes where are analyzing your lunars > >meteorites? Last email to you, the others i opens > >only for laugh of your " meteorites ". Remember you > >have to give to me $1000 of the pieces I send to > you, > >give to me your address and I send. Payment via > >paypal. > >Regards > > > >Matteo > > > > > >--- M Yousef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Dear All; > > > Please have a look at this new nice rock that > have > > > clear flow lines and > > > crust: > > > > > > http://alifyaa.com/meteorite/fc1/index.html > > > > > > I appreciate any comments. > > > > > > Best Regards > > > > > > Mohamed H. Yousef > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > >_ > > > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 > months > > > FREE*. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > >= > >M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato > >Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, > ITALY > >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection > Site: > >http://www.mcomemeteorite.info > >International Meteorite Collectors Association > #2140 > >MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > > > >__ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > >__ > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > _ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation - Thuathe
Hello Craig, >From an earlier post from Mike dated 2/26/03 we have: >By the way, the meteorite is pronounced (too-wa-tea), >and Lesotho is pronounced (less-ooo-too). Hope this helps. Frank - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:42 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation - Thuathe > Since we were on this topic yesterday for Tatahouine. > > Anyone want to offer up a recommendation on how to pronounce "Thuathe"? I'd like to know how to greet them when my stones arrive. > > My completely uninformed guess: Too - ah' - tuh > > Sincerely, > > Craig > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] flow lines & fusion crust
Matteo said: only for laugh of your " meteorites ". Remember you have to give to me $1000 of the pieces I send to you, give to me your address and I send. Payment via paypal. Regards Please show me a picture and I will pay to you even before you send to my address. Mohamed H. Yousef -- From: M come Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] flow lines & fusion crust Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:03:01 -0800 (PST) Fusion crust and regmagliptes: http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteorite2000/Meteor1.JPG opsssbut but is a piece of hematite. Lunar meteorite http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteorite2000/meteor10.JPG opsssbut but is a fusion slag I ask to all of the list not to answer more to this individual that continues to send hundred of photograph - and also weighing to unload - thinking to have tons of rarest meteorites in house. Mr. Yousef but because instead of to come to stress the life in this list you not show your meteorites to the yours so praised institutes where are analyzing your lunars meteorites? Last email to you, the others i opens only for laugh of your " meteorites ". Remember you have to give to me $1000 of the pieces I send to you, give to me your address and I send. Payment via paypal. Regards Matteo --- M Yousef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All; > Please have a look at this new nice rock that have > clear flow lines and > crust: > > http://alifyaa.com/meteorite/fc1/index.html > > I appreciate any comments. > > Best Regards > > Mohamed H. Yousef > -- > > > _ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] flow lines & fusion crust
Fusion crust and regmagliptes: http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteorite2000/Meteor1.JPG opsssbut but is a piece of hematite. Lunar meteorite http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteorite2000/meteor10.JPG opsssbut but is a fusion slag I ask to all of the list not to answer more to this individual that continues to send hundred of photograph - and also weighing to unload - thinking to have tons of rarest meteorites in house. Mr. Yousef but because instead of to come to stress the life in this list you not show your meteorites to the yours so praised institutes where are analyzing your lunars meteorites? Last email to you, the others i opens only for laugh of your " meteorites ". Remember you have to give to me $1000 of the pieces I send to you, give to me your address and I send. Payment via paypal. Regards Matteo --- M Yousef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All; > Please have a look at this new nice rock that have > clear flow lines and > crust: > > http://alifyaa.com/meteorite/fc1/index.html > > I appreciate any comments. > > Best Regards > > Mohamed H. Yousef > -- > > > _ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pronunciation - Thuathe
Since we were on this topic yesterday for Tatahouine. Anyone want to offer up a recommendation on how to pronounce "Thuathe"? I'd like to know how to greet them when my stones arrive. My completely uninformed guess: Too - ah' - tuh Sincerely, Craig __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Man Longs For Return Of A Piece Of Moon
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/space/orl-locmoon04030403mar04,0,5451110.story?coll=orl%2Dnews%2Dheadlines Man longs for return of a piece of moon By Noaki Schwartz Orlando Sentinel March 4, 2003 MIAMI -- The fight over a piece of moon rock the size of a small cornflake finally went to court Monday. After years of controversy, the United States of America vs. One Lucite Ball Containing Lunar Material went before U.S. District Judge Adalberto Jordan, who is expected to decide within several weeks if Pembroke Pines resident Alan Rosen legally acquired the one-centimeter chip mounted in a plastic ball. The U.S. Justice Department contends that Rosen stole the rock, which could be worth $5 million or more, from the Honduran government -- an accusation Rosen denies. "How does something from the moon wind up on the outskirts of the Honduran jungle and end up the center of a major case with the government?" wondered Rosen. During a two-hour hearing, Rosen retold this story of how the rock wound up in Honduras and eventually in Florida. The 65-year-old former cantaloupe exporter said he bought the rock legally from a Honduran colonel. But U.S. government lawyers say the Republic of Honduras is the rightful owner. The historic rock's journey to Earth began Dec. 7, 1972, when Apollo 17 astronauts on the last manned moon mission took the sample from the Taurus Littrow Valley. The rock, which looks more like a small piece of coal, was then sent as a gift by Richard Nixon to the Central American government along with a Honduran flag that went to the moon. Rosen said one of the country's dictators gave the rock to the colonel as a gift, who in turn sold it to him for $50,000 in 1995. But the paperwork proving its ownership is missing. During Monday's hearing, Assistant U.S. Attorney James Swain also noted that no one declared the rock on a U.S. Customs form when it was brought into the country. The U.S. government seized the rock from Rosen in 1998 during a sting operation. Rosen answered an advertisement in USA Today of someone seeking to buy moon rocks, and he tried to sell the rock for $5 million. On Monday, Rosen reminisced about buying the rock and then taking it on fishing trips. As he fished, Rosen said, he could look at the moon and hold his little piece of it at the same time. "I'm still living without my rock," he said. Wire services were used in this report.Noaki Schwartz is a reporter for the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, a Tribune Publishing newspaper. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Simulations Of Collisions Shed Light On The Internal Structure Of Asteroids
Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique Paris, France Researcher contact: Patrick Michel Observatoire de la Côte d'Azur e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +33 4 92 00 30 55 Contact INSU: Philippe Chauvin e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +33 1 44 96 43 36 Press contact: Martine Hasler Tel: +33 1 44 96 46 35 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] February 6, 2003 Simulations of collisions shed light on the internal structure of asteroids An international team of researchers led by Patrick Michel (Observatoire de la Côte dAzur CNRS, Nice) have carried out simulations of asteroid collisions. For the first time, such simulations have made it possible to provide information about the internal structure of asteroids and, in particular, have shown that the parent bodies from which asteroid families have originated must have been fragmented (and non-monolithic) bodies or stacked rocks. The formation of an asteroid family results from the break-up of such a body, which creates hundreds of thousands of fragments, certain of which could become dangerous asteroids and meteorites. These findings also show that the impact energy during a collision is highly dependent upon the internal structure of the target; this information is very useful for the development of a strategy of defense against the threat of an impact with the Earth. The researchers' results are published in the February 6, 2003, issue of Nature and are featured on the journal's cover. In the asteroid belt, which is located between Mars and Jupiter, asteroid families are concentrated groups of small bodies that share the same spectral properties. More than 20 families have been identified, each family believed to be fragments resulting from the break-up of a large parent body in a regime where gravity, more than the material strength of the rock, is the key factor (*). The actual size and velocity distributions of the family members provide the main constraint for testing our understanding of the break-up process in this gravitational context. A new asteroid family, which bears the name of its largest member, Karin, was recently identified and studied. It is the youngest family discovered to date, and appears to have resulted from a collision around 5 million years ago. This family provides a unique opportunity to study a collisional outcome that is relatively unaffected by phenomena such as collisional erosion and the dynamic diffusion of fragments, which, over time, alter the properties resulting directly from the collision. Patrick Michel of the Cassini Laboratory (Observatoire de la Côte dAzur CNRS) and two of his colleagues from the Universities of Bern (Switzerland) and Maryland (USA), have developed numerical simulations of collisions with the aim of determining the classes of events that make it possible to reproduce the main characteristics of the Karin family. As the results depend to a large degree on the internal structure of the parent body, they were able to show that this family must have resulted from the break-up of a body that was originally full of fracture and/or empty zones, rather than a purely monolithic body. Their findings moreover indicate that all the members of this family are aggregates formed by the gravitational re-accumulation of smaller fragments, and that certain of them could have been ejected on trajectories that cross the Earth's trajectory. Since those families that are already known and the oldest families share similar properties, the authors suggest that they are likely to have had a similar history. This information concerning the internal structure of large asteroids also has consequences for the impact energy that would destroy them. This is useful not only to estimate the lifetime of these objects in the asteroid belt, but also in order to develop strategies that aim to redirect such a potentially dangerous asteroid. Reference: P. Michel, W. Benz & D.C. Richardson, Disruption of fragmented parent bodies as the origin of asteroid families, Nature Vol. 421, 608-611, 2003. For more information about asteroid collisions, see: Press release dated November 22, 2001 http://www.cnrs.fr/cw/en/pres/compress/collisionsAsteroides.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] flow lines & fusion crust
Dear All; Please have a look at this new nice rock that have clear flow lines and crust: http://alifyaa.com/meteorite/fc1/index.html I appreciate any comments. Best Regards Mohamed H. Yousef -- _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thuathe - Time of Fall
Mike Farmer wrote: > The Thuathe meteorite fell in Lesotho near the capital > of Maseru on the 21st of July, 2002 at 3:49 pm. http://www.meteoriteguy.com/index Hello Mike, Eric, and List, 3:49 pm local time or UT? Why am I asking? We've heard that the Kilabo (Hadejia) LL6 stones fell on the same day at 19:30 hrs local time. The time difference would be about 3 hours so that both falls would have occurred within about 40 minutes!!! Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Honduran Moon Rock On Trial
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-062902a.html Honduran moon rock on trial Collect Space UPDATES: Jul 8 | Jul 13 | Jul 24 | Mar 4 March 4, 2003 -- The trial of a lucite-encased moon rock allegedly smuggled into the U.S. from Honduras began yesterday, according to a report filed by the Associated Press. After just two hours of testimony, U.S. District Judge Adalberto Jordan promised to rule in two to three weeks as to whether the rock was stolen. Alan Rosen, the Florida businessmen who claimed the Apollo 17 lunar sample as his after allegedly purchasing it from a retired Honduran colonel, was the trial's only witness. In addition to recounting his story (see earlier updates below), Rosen offered a contract in Spanish as proof of his legal claim. Rosen believes the rock is worth $5 million, based on a report that a similar gift to Nicaragua sold for as much as $10 million. If the judge awards the lucite-encased sample, Rosen's rock could be the first Apollo recovered lunar specimen to be brokered on the U.S. market. July 24 -- Gregory Lewis, writing for the Sun-Sentinel, interviewed Rosen and collectSPACE member Bill Ayrey to file an update. From his article we learn: o Rosen believes "his" case is responsible for Americans knowing moon rocks exist: "I don't think if you took a poll up until it was seized, that one American in 10,000, perhaps 100,000, and maybe even a million ever heard of [moon rocks]." o Gregory writes that it was Rosen who received the truck (and rock) in return for a payment of $50,000. o Gregory cites Rosen's attorney, Peter S. Herrick of Miami, as claiming that "no law prohibits [Rosen] or anyone else from possessing a moon rock." o Ayrey weighs in with his prediction of the outcome: "I'm sure that any court will see to it that it's returned to Honduras, to whom it rightly belongs." July 13 -- CNN aired a live interview with Alan Rosen and collectSPACE editor Robert Pearlman today. Though mostly a summary of what was already reported, there were a few new details and/or corrections: o Contrary to our previous update based on The Miami Herald's article, Rosen confirmed our original report regarding the price paid for the rock: "The price was actually around $50,000." o Rosen's valuation of the rock seems to have risen quite a bit. Despite our own on-air opinion that "...it's not a [far] stretch to say that at a really [well-publized] auction like Christie's or Sotheby's that it could reach upward of $1 million or $2 million," Rosen is of a different mind: "I was convinced that... because of the publicity and somewhat notoriety of it that the value could be well up into the tens or $15 million." o Rosen restated his intentions that he means to share whatever proceeds he reaps with the people of Honduras: "Well, basically, my intention was not just to make a profit. My intention was because I had spent over 35 years traveling and working and doing various businesses in the country to finance various businesses... [perhaps] to provide low interest loans for agriculture and artisans and mini- businesses, and certainly the need in Honduras is great. I have two children that are half-Honduran, and a lot of family of theirs is down there, and I have many friends." o Rosen cited that Honduras has another moon rock: "The Hondurans have a second plaque. It was presented in 1975 from the Apollo 11 program." o A correction/retraction: at the close of the interview, Pearlman was asked if the rock should be returned... to Alan. "I didn't hear [to Alan] and therefore answered in the affirmative based on my belief, based on Honduran law, that the rock should be returned to the country. In my opinion, it should not be awarded to Rosen." We are working to make a video clip of the segment available for download in the coming days. Our appreciation to Keren Schiffman at CNN for including collectSPACE in this report. July 8 -- Scott Andron with The Miami Herald offers new details in his article "Legal Battle Is Over The Moon: Pines man, government fight for lunar rock": o According to Andron, the "retired Honduran military officer" who sold the rock to Rosen was named Roberto Agurcia Ugarte. Ugarte first offered the rock for $1 million, but Rosen had to pass not having the funds. A year later, they reached a deal: "$20,000 plus a truck valued at an additional $10,000" (contrary to our earlier reported $50K and said truck). o Rosen did not carry the rock back from Honduras, but instead "accepted delivery of the plaque at a Denny's near Miami International Airport." It is not said who smuggled the rock into the United States. o Why sue the rock? According to Andron, the
Re: [meteorite-list] Question Impact Melt
Hello Thanks again, I know Dr.Hill I hope have time to contact for have some informations, now I waith a confirm from the Institute here in Italy. Regards Matteo --- Bernd Pauli HD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matteo wrote: > > > Thanks Bernd > > You are welcome. > > > and is possible a meteorite of this type: > > METEORITE NWA 1701 NEW > IMPACT MELT VERY NICE > EBay Item # 2162429531 > > > is classificated LL? > > Well, why not? If there are H and L impact melts, > why shouldn't there also be LL impact melts! > > But, of course, this is just an "educated guess"! > Dr. David > Kring and co-workers (for example, Dolores Hill who > is also > a list member) may want to shed more light on this > intriguing > question. > > See also: > > Kring D.A., Hill D.H., Gleason J.D., Britt D.T. et > al. (1999) > Portales Valley: A meteoritic sample of the > brecciated and metal- > veined floor of an impact crater on an H-chondrite > asteroid > (MAPS 34-4, 1999, 663-669). > > > Ciao, > > Bernd = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question Impact Melt
Matteo wrote: > Thanks Bernd You are welcome. > and is possible a meteorite of this type: METEORITE NWA 1701 NEW IMPACT MELT VERY NICE EBay Item # 2162429531 > is classificated LL? Well, why not? If there are H and L impact melts, why shouldn't there also be LL impact melts! But, of course, this is just an "educated guess"! Dr. David Kring and co-workers (for example, Dolores Hill who is also a list member) may want to shed more light on this intriguing question. See also: Kring D.A., Hill D.H., Gleason J.D., Britt D.T. et al. (1999) Portales Valley: A meteoritic sample of the brecciated and metal- veined floor of an impact crater on an H-chondrite asteroid (MAPS 34-4, 1999, 663-669). Ciao, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question Impact Melt
Thanks Bernd and is possible a meteorite of this type: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2162429531 is classificated LL? Regards Matteo --- Bernd Pauli HD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matteo inquired: > > > if ever was found an Impact Melt > > classificated chondrite LL ? > > The only LL that I know of with "impact-melt-rock > clasts" > is the Richfield LL3.7 chondrite. According to A. > Rubin et > al. (1996) and V.E. Nelson et al. (2002), these > clasts are chondrule-free. > > Regards, > > Bernd > = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] lunars
There is at least the one found in Oman by a Swiss expedition (I've seen it last friday), early this year. As far as I know, it does not yet have an official name. Regards, Julien -Original Message- From: STEVE ARNOLD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] lunars Good morning list.Just wondering if any new lunar meteorites have yet been discoverd this year, or in the last 6 months? steve arnold, chicago, usa! Steve R. Arnold, Chicago, USA!! The Midwest Meteorite Collector! I.M.C.A. #6728 http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] lunars
YES >From: STEVE ARNOLD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [meteorite-list] lunars >Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 05:20:45 -0800 (PST) > > >Good morning list.Just wondering if any new lunar meteorites have yet been discoverd this year, or in the last 6 months? > > steve arnold, chicago, usa! > > > >Steve R. Arnold, Chicago, USA!! > >The Midwest Meteorite Collector! > >I.M.C.A. #6728 > >http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com > > > >- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] lunars
Good morning list.Just wondering if any new lunar meteorites have yet been discoverd this year, or in the last 6 months? steve arnold, chicago, usa!Steve R. Arnold, Chicago, USA!! The Midwest Meteorite Collector! I.M.C.A. #6728 http://stormbringer60120.tripod.comDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more
Re: [meteorite-list] Question Impact Melt
Matteo inquired: > if ever was found an Impact Melt > classificated chondrite LL ? The only LL that I know of with "impact-melt-rock clasts" is the Richfield LL3.7 chondrite. According to A. Rubin et al. (1996) and V.E. Nelson et al. (2002), these clasts are chondrule-free. Regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question Impact Melt
Hello all Any of you knowledge if ever was found an Impact Melt classificated chondrite LL ? My NWA 1701 from the first analysis resulted this. Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Expeditions
>Hi Pierre, >Like most tools, one uses it with some degree of discretion. I >learned about it from Steve Schoner, one of the greatest hunters >ever. I first used one with him in an L/LL strewn field and he, at least, >did so with excellent results. So, at least some people consider it >to be of some use. >Of course, I do not suggest attempting to use a screw driver to >hammer nails, but that does not make a screw driver useless. >Michael > Right (as I said in my first message)! If you are combing Holbrook or Gold Basin strewfields the cane may be useful; besides, what you will recover has anyhow not a tremendous scientific value. But the thrill of research and hunting is also to have a chance to find something unexpected. If you narrow your selection to only "the material that sticks" you may loose the Lafayette sister that was hiden among your L/LL strewnfield... Pierre __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Expeditions n Magnetic Destruction
Rafael wrote: >Thats kinda a hard view point, cuz it test us between 2 things. >Destroying a meteorite for science or obtaining more items to our >collections. Of course I dont want to harm any meteorites for >science, even though they are only for collection. But one collector >never knows when will the meteorites will be used for science...and >more if its a unique find... is this a matter of ethics?...Is there >another way for not destroying this record? > yes there is a way, both preserving the magnetic memory and highly improving the magnetic discrimination: a simple magnetic susceptibility probe, pocket sized, that gives you in a second a quantitative estimate of the amount of metal or magnetite in a piece of rock. It costs 1800 $. Seller is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I don't have any interest in that company!). It can easily discriminate between LL and L , L and H or even eucrite and howardite, for example. I can provide oflist as an attachment a leaflet for this device as well as a chart of magnetic susceptibility versus meteorite class. I will probably be in next Ensisheim show, in particular to demonstrate this instrument. Pierre __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
