Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting

2003-03-05 Thread rochette
rob says:

P.S.  Perhaps a compass can be used as a weaning device?
It generates a minimal magnetic field, and yet is sensitive
enough to detect most H- and L-chondrites.

yes compass is able to detect (by a small deviation from N when you
approach the stone) the magnetization of a say L or H. But it is tricky.
The problem is that the effect is quite different in the natural state and
on a piece that has already been submitted to high field (touching with a
magnet or lightning stroke). For example a LL after magnet exposure make a
larger deviation on the compass than a H in its natural state

and then:  It can easily discriminate between LL and L, L and H or even
eucrite
 and howardite, for example.

Ahhh, but what about weathering?  If you can't see into the interior
of a meteorite, you'll know nothing about its weathering grade.  The
range of responses corresponding to the various weathering grades of
an H (for instance) will easily intersect that of the L's and probably
even unweathered LL's.  Presumably similar difficulties will be
encountered with achondrites.  --Rob

Right again (but I was told that efficient communication should convey only
one message per time!). So lesson 2 is: a strongly (W2-3) weathered H is as
magnetic as a fresh L

then Mark says:
Hi Robert and list

I'm curious about this latent magnetic field. If its anything like that used
for paleomag, of what real interest is it except that the meteorite came
from a body large enough to develope a magnetic field which, if my
understanding of magnetics is fair enough would only tell you the body
developed a field. And this may be debatable if there was enough heat around
the area where the meteorite came from that the field isn't set in stone
because of a major impact or something ripped the parent body apart (as may
be the case with irons and mesosiderites and such). If the rock is still
plastic when this occurs, the field is subject to many other factors and may
not even represent the parent body's field anyway.
Mark

There are instances where this paleomagnetic signal is of high interest,
but of course it's very complicated and a lot of meteorites are rather dumb
in this field. But taking the example of martians, the paleomagnetic signal
of SNC has triggered many scientific publications (among which 3 in Science
I guess) discussing for example the low temperature transfer of ALH84001
from Mars to Earth and thus the possibility that Earth may have already
been contaminated by martian bugs in the past (see e.g.:
http://www.spaceref.com/Directory/Astrobiology_and_Life_Science/panspermia/, ver
y controversial, I warn you!).
Unfortunately every Saharan or Omani SNC has been tested with a magnet and
therefore are definitively useless to investigate further this issue.


Pierre



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[meteorite-list] Tatahouine Pronounciation - Thanks

2003-03-05 Thread Jeff Kuyken



Thanks everyone for your help. I just love a good 
meteorite pronounciation debate! ;-)

Thanks again,

Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteoritesaustralia.com


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  - Pronounciation  MOH Hardness?
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  It is by no accident that Luke Skywalker lives on Tatahouine. 
Lucas borrowed the name from that town because they shot the Tatahouine 
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  exterior scenes of the Star Wars movies were filmed. It is really a small 
  dusty market town, but it has a very nice hotel with a swimming pool! If 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting

2003-03-05 Thread Michel Franco
Pierre,


 Unfortunately every Saharan or Omani SNC has been tested with a magnet and
 therefore are definitively useless to investigate further this issue.

Every is almost the correct word.
Almost is the correct word.

When I hunt with my mates, I do not use a magnet. Some of them does even if
I ask not to use magnets. Only the more experienced do not use magnet; it is
just a matter of time.

Just a short story, from the field: we encountered a strewn field, obviously
of the same fall. Some of us used magnets on their first finds. After a
short brief, they put the magnets in thier pockets. The crust colour and
regmaglypts more or less marked on the bigger individuals made them
confident in the cosmicity of the rocks they where gatering.

But then I have no control on magnetic fields during transportation. Packed
in metallic travel cases and air shipped from Africa to Europe.

We shoudl talke about it.

My two cents, ( hey Euro has cents too !)

Best regards

Michel.


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[meteorite-list] Wisconsin

2003-03-05 Thread Mark Langenfeld

Here is my annual plea for Wisconsin material. I am in good shape on 
Colby, but all other falls/finds are of interest. Micros are OK (except 
for Trenton and Belmont, which I already have in that size). Good 
provenance only, please.

Please reply off-list if you can help. Many thanks.

Mark

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[meteorite-list] NC Meteorites

2003-03-05 Thread Thomas H. Webb
List members,
If any of you have any North Carolina meteorites for sale other than the
ones listed below, please email me off list.
Castalia
Deep Springs
Forsyth Co.
Mayodan
Monroe
Murphy
Wood's Mountain

Thanks,
Thomas H. Webb


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[meteorite-list] Thuathe

2003-03-05 Thread Michael Farmer



I think that many people should be getting their 
Thuathe pieces today. Let us know how you like them! Isn't is the most beautiful 
fall for a long time! 
I have updated my website with the last of my 
pieces, still some nice ones but more fragments. 
check them out if you missed the first round or 
want another piece. 
Mike Farmer
http://www.meteoriteguy.com/thuathehunt.htm


[meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes.com March Links Now Ready

2003-03-05 Thread Paul Harris
Greetings All,

MeteoriteTimes.com Links for March
are now ready to view at: http://www.meteoritetimes.com
Enjoy!

Paul and Jim



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[meteorite-list] Huge Asteroid Impacts Predate Dinosaurs

2003-03-05 Thread Ron Baalke


http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20030303/impact.html

Huge Asteroid Impacts Predate Dinosaurs
By Larry O'Hanlon
Discovery News
March 4, 2003

The three most terrible asteroid impacts in the Earth's
history are also the oldest, say geologists
working on frozen blobs of melted rock
ejected from impacts more than 3.2 billion
years ago. 

Any craters from the impacts were erased
long ago by Earth's everchanging crust.
What does remain, however, are deposits
of rock spherules in South Africa's
Barberton Greenstone Belt region that
were once a fiery rain of molten material
blasted from horrific impacts. 



The bottom line is that I think they were
bigger than the K/T impact, said geologist
Frank Kyte of the University of California at
Los Angeles, referring to the impact of a
ten-kilometer (seven-mile) wide asteroid
that killed the dinosaurs 65 million years
ago. 

Kyte and a number of other asteroid impact
researchers published their report in the
March issue of the journal Geology. 

Since they were discovered in 1986, the
South African spherules have sparked
scientific debate over whether they were
caused by impacts or some purely
earthbound process. The work by Kyte and
his colleagues might finally settle the
debate because they have found in the 
spherules something only found in 
extraterrestrial rocks - an unusual 
abundance of a rare type of chromium.

For reasons that are buried in the early 
history of the solar system, meteorites tend 
to have more chromium-53 and chromium-54 than 
rocks from the Earth, moon or Mars, which tend 
to have more chromium-52 (Martian meteorites
supplied the information about Mars). 

Using a new and painstaking technique to 
analyze the South African spherules, Kyte and 
his colleagues were able to determine that the 
rocks contained amounts of chromium-53 and 
chromium-54 that pegged them as relatives of a
relatively rare kind of meteorite, a 
carbonaceous chondrite. 

Factors they used to estimate the size of the 
asteroids that spawned the spherules include the 
thickness of the spherule beds and the likely 
assumption that the debris rained down over the 
entire Earth. All that seems to indicate that
the Archean asteroids ranged from one to seven 
times the size of the K/T asteroid. 

In other words, the discovery not only confirms 
the impact origins of the rocks, but it suggests 
that the asteroids 3.2 billion years ago were a 
bit different than those that are common today, 
said planetary scientist Alan Hildebrand of the
University of Calgary. 

They are rough estimates, based on comparisons 
to similar beds from the much better preserved 
K-T impact. Factors they used to estimate the size 
of the asteroids include the thickness of the 
spherule beds and the likely assumption that the 
debris rained down over the entire Earth. All 
that seems to indicate that the Archean asteroids 
ranged from one to seven times the size of the KT
asteroid. 

In my opinion this is quite a significant result, 
said Hildebrand. It should settle the debate on 
origins. 

What isn't settled is just what was going on 3.2 
billion years ago to cause three great impacts in 
just 20 million years. Were asteroid impacts more 
common throughout the early history of the Earth 
or was this just a spike of impacts? 

Only the discovery of more such spherules of other 
ages will tell, said Kyte. 

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[meteorite-list] Did Meteorite Strike Kill Dinos? No, Say Geologists

2003-03-05 Thread Ron Baalke


http://in.news.yahoo.com/030305/139/21shy.html

Did meteorite strike kill dinos? No, say geologists
ANI (Australia)
March 5, 2003

Sydney: Contrary to popular belief that a meteorite strike led to the
extinction of dinosaurs, geologists from an Australian university 
say the creatures were killed by geological upheaval.

According to Gordon Lister and Ivo Vos of Monash University's School 
of Geosciences, the sudden disappearance of the dinosaurs 65
million years ago is the best known mass extinction.

Throughout Earth's history, there have been great mass extinctions 
where most living things are destroyed. We don't know much
about them except they were abrupt, Professor Lister was quoted as 
saying by The Age.

Most scientists believe that the dinosaurs were wiped out by the 
impact of a 12-kilometre meteorite that caused the 
180-kilometre-wide Chicxulub crater on the Yucatan Peninsula in 
Mexico. The impact would have dramatically altered Earth's climate.

Prof Lister said that while there probably was such an impact, it 
did not kill off the dinosaurs. 

You have to ask yourself whether this event was as big as you 
thought it was. You had an impact, but did it cause as much impact 
as people like to imagine? he added.

And given that geological upheaval had caused most other mass 
extinctions, it was likely it had led to the destruction of the 
dinosaurs also. 

As Prof Lister puts in, The meteorite strike would have been just 
the coup de grace. You really start to wonder if we're making a 
special case (for the dinosaurs).

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Reward Still Up for Grabs

2003-03-05 Thread Ron Baalke


http://icderry.icnetwork.co.uk/news/localnews/page.cfm?objectid=12698931method=full

Meteorite Reward Still Up for Grabs 
icDerry (United Kingdom)
March 4, 2003

A SCOTTISH-based meteorite dealer says he's still not received a genuine
piece of the space rock that blazed across the Donegal skyline last month.

And Rob Elliott from Fife-based company, Fernlea Meteorites, says a
fragment of rock he received last week from a Letterkenny jeweller also proved
a false alarm.

Mr. Elliott has put up a £20,000 reward for anyone who can provide him with
part of a meteorite thought to have landed in Donegal three weeks ago.

Despite receiving hundreds of samples from across Ireland, Scotland and
England, he told the 'Journal' last night none were what he was after.

The reward is still there for anyone who sends me a genuine piece. The money
is in a safe just waiting to be handed to someone, he said.

That money won't, however, be going to one Letterkenny jeweller who thought
he'd stumbled across a piece of the much sought-after meteorite.

For Rob says a small object posted to him by shop owner Marcus Griffin had
been tested and was nothing more than a piece of magnesia metal.

The rock arrived from Marcus last Saturday and initially I was very excited
when I opened it because it looked like the genuine article.

But we examined it closely and when we grinded it we discovered that it
wasn't the real thing, he said.

Two weeks ago, Marcus vowed he wouldn't sell the piece of rock for love nor
money.

He said: I wouldn't sell it for the world, I just won't be accepting money for it. I
am a collector and I intend to hold on to it.

Rob says he though Marcus' reluctance to part with the object meant that when
he received it he was convinced it was exactly what he was after.

I had heard he was reluctant to part with the piece of rock he had discovered.
So when it arrived here I though this could be it, added Rob.

Mr. Elliott urged people not to give up on the hunt for a piece of the meteorite.

And he said history shows that it can take as long as three months before
someone comes forward with a genuine piece of rock Unless it's totally
overshot the land in Co. Donegal there is a piece out there and the reward
awaits the person who brings it to me, he said.
 

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[meteorite-list] OT: (Probable) meteorwrong story conclusion

2003-03-05 Thread Matson, Robert
Hi Bob, Norbert and List,

I got an interesting message today which I'll share shortly, but first we
must
go back to June of last year when I first noticed a questionable meteorite
show up on eBay.  Here's the message I sent to Bob Verish about it:

From: Matson, Robert  
Sent:   Thursday, June 06, 2002 6:23 PM
To: 'Bob Verish - home'; 'Bob Verish - work'
Subject:  Mohave meteorwrong?

Hi Bob,

This has just shown up on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2110888286

Large, 14-lb Mohave meteorite.  Seller is from Chico, so he probably
means Mojave. The price is absurd, and the seller has no feedback, so
something smells fishy.  From the pictures, it might actually be a
meteorite -- it certainly looks better than most meteorwrongs on eBay.
But practically no data is provided other than the mass.  --Rob
 
- - - - -

Bob promptly replied:

 Weighs approximately 6272g/14 lbs. And its approximate dimensions
 are 5.75, 4, 3.5/14.5 cm, 10cm, 13.5

Hi Rob,

Thanks for the heads-up.

Is my math wrong, or does this specific gravity look like it is within
the range for most chondritic meteorites?

Check out my version of his images (see attachments)

Bob V.
- - - - - -

Bob later added:  I meant to add on the previous message - 
that I think this is another chunk of Sulfide-rich slag!
(take a look at the corners where a bright interior is exposed;-)
I wouldn't be surprised in the least, if it is... --Bob V.

Since the auction is long since over, the links to the images are
gone, *BUT* I just found I do still have Bob's versions of his
images.  With Bob's permission, I'll post them to my webspace
and provide the links here if anyone is curious.

A day later, Norbert Classen noticed the auction and posted this
message to the Meteorite Collectors Association list:

Hi there, 

Did you see this neat MW from the Mohave desert? Don't forget,
it's Very Rare! Great Value at $21,280. Okay, some people might
think that $3.40/g is a reasonable price for something that might
be a meteorite AND from the US - but I really doubt that this is
the real thing. What do you think? 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2110888286

Ebay Item # 2110888286
Best,
Norbert Classen
IMCA #7606

- - - -

I replied to Norbert and the list:

I noticed this auction yesterday, and being keenly interested in any
meteorite finds from California (misspelling of Mojave notwithstanding),
I floated it by Bob Verish to get his thoughts.  It doesn't look like
hematite or magnetite, but then again the seller doesn't mention
magnetism.  Bob did some photo enhancement of his images to
get a better look at what appeared to be some specular spots on
the rock surface -- spots which look not unlike some of the roasted
sulfide slags we've been talking about recently.
 
A rough computation of the specific gravity suggests that the stone
is indeed in the range of most chondrites (high 3's to low 4's) -- the
density is too low to be an iron meteorite.  I ~have~ found chondrites
which have weathered exteriors that look a lot like this stone, but
the high price, minimal information, and the lack of a history for
the seller smells bad to me... --Rob

Leaving no stone unturned (sorry, couldn't resist!), I sent the
following message to the seller:

Based on the images in your auction, it is difficult to say whether
your stone is meteoritic or not.  If you haven't cut into it or
ground down a corner, it is probably premature to call it a meteorite.

Your auction could use some more detail, particularly given the price
you're asking for it.  For example, where was it found; when was it
found; is it magnetic; how do you know it is a meteorite, etc.  I
have discovered many meteorites in California, and have an extensive
database of information for all California meteorites, so naturally
I have some interest in your stone -- assuming it turns out to be a
meteorite.  Btw, I assume since you're in Chico that you meant Mojave
rather than Mohave -- Mojave is in CA; Mohave is in Arizona.

Thanks,
Rob

- - - - -

I got no reply to my message.  That is until TODAY!  It was short, not
terribly informative, and had a slightly smug tone:

It was found thirty years ago. I am not an expert on meteors, or spelling,
but I do know that you will never own this one. Have a nice day.

My gut response to reading this message before I'd finished my first
cup o' morning joe was to fire back a nasty reply.  But maturity and
better taste prevailed, eventually filtering my vitriol to the
following reply sent a little while ago:


Hi Pete,
 
 It was found thirty years ago. I am not an expert on meteors, or spelling,

 but I do know that you will never own this one. Have a nice day.

Not that it really matters, but I sent you my comment/questions (which
were meant to be *helpful* not discourteous) nearly 9 months ago, so I
was long past expecting a reply (and of course no longer have links to
the specimen images).  The question is: why have you bothered to take
the time 

Re: [meteorite-list] Thuathe

2003-03-05 Thread fcressy
Hello Mike and all,

Sure enough I received my Thuathe individual today and it looks great. Been
spending the last half hour or so getting aquainted with it ;-)

Thought I share some observations. It's about 80% covered with matte black
fusion crust; very fresh looking. The remaining 20% (one side) was broken in
flight and has a light covering of blackish-brown secondary fusion crust. On
an edge of the broken part a small vein of metal about 5 mm long protrudes
out and extending from this vein is an area about one square cm of
redeposited blue-gray metal that lies on  the secondary crust.
As for any weathering, there is none seen on the fully crusted areas but a
very little limonite staining is present on some areas where the secondary
crust is present. All in all, a very very nice addition to my meteorite
family.
Thanks Mike!

Regards,
Frank


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:20 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thuathe


I think that many people should be getting their Thuathe pieces today. Let
us know how you like them! Isn't is the most beautiful fall for a long time!
I have updated my website with the last of my pieces, still some nice ones
but more fragments.
check them out if you missed the first round or want another piece.
Mike Farmer
http://www.meteoriteguy.com/thuathehunt.htm



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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Times March Links

2003-03-05 Thread Peter Marmet
Hi all,

What a GREAT PLEASURE to read the Meteorite Times March Links!!!

Many thanks to all who make that possible!!!

Peter Marmet, Bern, Switzerland

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[meteorite-list] Where to get Riker Mounts?

2003-03-05 Thread Peter Marmet

Hello list,

Meteorites look quite nice in these black
«Riker Mount» boxes.
I'm looking for 100 boxes, size 85x110 mm.
Does anyone know where I can get these?  - as cheap as possible ;-) !
Thanks for your help!

Peter Marmet, Bern, Switzerland

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[meteorite-list] Sale and some new stuff!

2003-03-05 Thread Nelson Oakes
List, I've got some nice individual NWA1460 fragments on the site plus
some decent Sikhote-Alins! Also changed a lot of prices! Take a look at
www.meteorites-r-us.com  Thanks Nels

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Times March Links

2003-03-05 Thread Bernd Pauli HD
Peter Marmet wrote:

 What a GREAT PLEASURE to read the Meteorite Times March Links!!! Many
 thanks to all who make that possible!!!

Peter, I totally concur - every inch a treasure trove !!!

Bernd


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[meteorite-list] Where to get Riker Mounts?

2003-03-05 Thread Bernd Pauli HD
Peter Marmet wrote:

 Meteorites look quite nice in these black «Riker Mount» boxes.

Don't forget, Peter, your smaller specimens look even nicer
in those suspension boxes which allow easy and comfortable
viewing on both sides !!!

Bernd


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[meteorite-list] what a pleasure!

2003-03-05 Thread moni seabridge


Hello All!!

I had to write and let you know, that it has been a real pleasure to read 
the meteorite-list lately!
Thanks for all the information, the *funnies* and the time you put in. I am 
still such a newcomer, that i only learn from you all, but i am not able to 
give anything back - yet.

my regards! Moni Seabridge



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Re: [meteorite-list] Where to get Riker Mounts?

2003-03-05 Thread fcressy
And they double the viewing area ;-)

Frank

- Original Message -
From: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:56 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Where to get Riker Mounts?


 Peter Marmet wrote:

  Meteorites look quite nice in these black «Riker Mount» boxes.

 Don't forget, Peter, your smaller specimens look even nicer
 in those suspension boxes which allow easy and comfortable
 viewing on both sides !!!

 Bernd


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Re: [meteorite-list] OT: (Probable) meteorwrong story conclusion

2003-03-05 Thread magellon
Robert and List,
I got an email from pete also today.
I had asked if his specimen attracted to magnet and did he
guarantee it to be a meteorite...

He email today said very slightly, and yes.

I don't understand why he bothered writing back .
I replied:
Thanks for you reply.
This might help you in the future:
http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/meteoriteforsell.html
ken

Here are his picts of his 'meteorite'  that I lightened:
http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs/petecuneo1.JPG
http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/wrongs/petecuneo2.JPG
Looks like a rock to me..

  believe Ken Norton is compiling a lot of information about meteorwrongs on
his web site 
As for the info on sulfide slag:
http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/hotrocks.html

 sulfide-rich slag is something that keeps showing up again and again on eBay.
Robert (or anyone) - If you see any on Ebay, please  let me know so I can add to
the picture file!

Best,
Ken Newton (BTW - Richard Norton's mother and my mother were mothers, but we
somehow have different names :)
http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/mepage.html/
Meteor-Wrong Central


Matson, Robert wrote:

 Hi Bob, Norbert and List,

 I got an interesting message today which I'll share shortly, but first we
 must
 go back to June of last year when I first noticed a questionable meteorite
 show up on eBay.  Here's the message I sent to Bob Verish about it:

 From: Matson, Robert
 Sent:   Thursday, June 06, 2002 6:23 PM
 To: 'Bob Verish - home'; 'Bob Verish - work'
 Subject:  Mohave meteorwrong?

 Hi Bob,

 This has just shown up on eBay:

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2110888286

 Large, 14-lb Mohave meteorite.  Seller is from Chico, so he probably
 means Mojave. The price is absurd, and the seller has no feedback, so
 something smells fishy.  From the pictures, it might actually be a
 meteorite -- it certainly looks better than most meteorwrongs on eBay.
 But practically no data is provided other than the mass.  --Rob

 - - - - -

 Bob promptly replied:

  Weighs approximately 6272g/14 lbs. And its approximate dimensions
  are 5.75, 4, 3.5/14.5 cm, 10cm, 13.5

 Hi Rob,

 Thanks for the heads-up.

 Is my math wrong, or does this specific gravity look like it is within
 the range for most chondritic meteorites?

 Check out my version of his images (see attachments)

 Bob V.
 - - - - - -

 Bob later added:  I meant to add on the previous message -
 that I think this is another chunk of Sulfide-rich slag!
 (take a look at the corners where a bright interior is exposed;-)
 I wouldn't be surprised in the least, if it is... --Bob V.

 Since the auction is long since over, the links to the images are
 gone, *BUT* I just found I do still have Bob's versions of his
 images.  With Bob's permission, I'll post them to my webspace
 and provide the links here if anyone is curious.

 A day later, Norbert Classen noticed the auction and posted this
 message to the Meteorite Collectors Association list:

 Hi there,

 Did you see this neat MW from the Mohave desert? Don't forget,
 it's Very Rare! Great Value at $21,280. Okay, some people might
 think that $3.40/g is a reasonable price for something that might
 be a meteorite AND from the US - but I really doubt that this is
 the real thing. What do you think?
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2110888286

 Ebay Item # 2110888286
 Best,
 Norbert Classen
 IMCA #7606

 - - - -

 I replied to Norbert and the list:

 I noticed this auction yesterday, and being keenly interested in any
 meteorite finds from California (misspelling of Mojave notwithstanding),
 I floated it by Bob Verish to get his thoughts.  It doesn't look like
 hematite or magnetite, but then again the seller doesn't mention
 magnetism.  Bob did some photo enhancement of his images to
 get a better look at what appeared to be some specular spots on
 the rock surface -- spots which look not unlike some of the roasted
 sulfide slags we've been talking about recently.

 A rough computation of the specific gravity suggests that the stone
 is indeed in the range of most chondrites (high 3's to low 4's) -- the
 density is too low to be an iron meteorite.  I ~have~ found chondrites
 which have weathered exteriors that look a lot like this stone, but
 the high price, minimal information, and the lack of a history for
 the seller smells bad to me... --Rob

 Leaving no stone unturned (sorry, couldn't resist!), I sent the
 following message to the seller:

 Based on the images in your auction, it is difficult to say whether
 your stone is meteoritic or not.  If you haven't cut into it or
 ground down a corner, it is probably premature to call it a meteorite.

 Your auction could use some more detail, particularly given the price
 you're asking for it.  For example, where was it found; when was it
 found; is it magnetic; how do you know it is a meteorite, etc.  I
 have discovered many meteorites in California, and have an extensive
 database of information for all 

[meteorite-list] Corrected link -

2003-03-05 Thread magellon
Should have been:
http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/mepage.html
Meteor- wrong Central

Sorry about that
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[meteorite-list] WHO IS ALL COMING

2003-03-05 Thread Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!
hi list. I guess this is a final call. So far we have 4 others coming to
party with rob elliott on sunday night. Just wondering if anyone else from
the region will be stopping by to have a goog ol' time?There will be alot
of drinking meteorite trading and selling, and who knows what else. Let me
know if you are coming.

   steve arnold, chicago

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I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728
Illinois Meteorites
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[meteorite-list] Nanodiamonds are Forever? Maybe Not.

2003-03-05 Thread Ron Baalke


http://www.astrobio.net/news/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=390mode=threadorder=0thold=0

Nanodiamonds are Forever? Maybe Not.
Astrobiology Magzine
March 5, 2003

Summary: When nanodiamonds were discovered in 1989, they seemed to be
remnants of supernovas - tiny grains of physical history even older than the
solar system. Logically, comets should be full of these microscopic
diamonds. But a recent study found no nanodiamonds in comet dust, indicating
that the miniature crystals may have formed during the formation of our
solar system, and not before. If these tiny grains are as young as 4.5
billion years, what does that mean for the formation and development of
life?

Nanodiamonds are Forever? Maybe Not.

By: David Tenenbaum

Back when nanotechnology was still pure science fiction, nanodiamonds
from outer space became science fact. First discovered in meteorites in
1989, these tiny diamonds average 3 nanometers across - 300,000 of them
would fit side by side across the width of a human hair - and contain just a
few thousand carbon atoms.

By 1993, scientists discovered that in some nanodiamonds the ratio of
different isotopes of the inert gas xenon resembled those detected in
supernova explosions. Over time, scientists came to believe that nanodiamond
story began with a formation in star explosions that distributed the tiny
grains through the universe. One destination was the solar nebula that
coalesced into our solar system about 4.5 billion years ago.

Among other places, the tiny pre-solar (older than the solar system) grains
wound up in asteroids, which eventually broke up to form the meteorites in
which the first nanodiamonds were discovered. Meteorites originate chiefly
in the asteroid belt, which is relatively protected from the ravages of
sunlight, heat and chemical reactions that probably destroyed nanodiamonds
elsewhere in the solar system.

If that understanding was correct, nanodiamonds should be even more common
in regions like the Kuiper belt, home of many comets, which is even farther
from the Sun. And thus the surprise when, last summer, a new study found no
nanodiamonds in cometary debris.

The study turned the conventional wisdom inside out, says author John
Bradley, director of the Institute for Geophysics and Planetary Physics at
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. If nanodiamonds are truly
pre-solar, they should get progressively more abundant as you go further
out, and they should be more abundant in comets than in asteroids. But we
did not find any in comets, which suggests that abundance falls off with
distance from the sun, rather than increases.

Bradley and colleagues published the study, Possible in situ formation of
meteoritic nanodiamonds in the early Solar System, in the July 11, 2002,
issue of the journal Nature. The research analyzed meteorites, and
interplanetary dust particles trapped by a U2 plane in the stratosphere.

Nanodiamonds are detected using a series of acid baths in a process that has
been compared to burning down a haystack to find the needle. Once the
diamonds are isolated, a spectrographic analysis is made of their isotopic
compositions.

As expected, the meteorites that came from asteroids carried nanodiamonds at
roughly one part per thousand by mass. A class of smaller dust particles
that were not clustered together, however, showed no trace of diamond.
Because these smaller particles appeared more pristine - less processed by
light and chemistry - the researchers concluded that they had come from
comets, not meteorites.

The absence of diamonds was surprising, says Bradley, since supernova
explosions should have salted nanodiamonds through the solar nebula: This
is turning the picture around completely.

In retrospect, however, the finding does shed light on a certain
inconsistency in the link between nanodiamonds and supernovae. It was
anomalous xenon isotopes that tagged them as pre-solar, but the bulk
isotopic composition was the same as the solar system, says Bradley. In
other words, although the rare xenon atoms trapped in the diamonds were
clearly non-solar, the far more numerous carbon atoms had run-of-the-mill
solar-system isotopic ratios.

The resolution of this conflict may lie in the fact that most nanodiamonds
do not contain even a single xenon atom, says Alan Boss, in the Department
of Terrestrial Magnetism at the Carnegie Institution of Washington. It
could be that only one in a million nanodiamonds carries the xenon, and
maybe those diamonds are still from supernovae, but the rest of the diamonds
come from other processes.

But how could nanodiamonds form in the nascent solar system? One
possibility, Boss says, is shock caused by continual collisions in the
asteroid belt. A stronger possibility, however, is chemical vapor deposition
(CVD), a process used to make diamond film in the laboratory. The
microstructural evidence from nanodiamonds indicates that they probably
formed by chemical vapor deposition, says Bradley.

[meteorite-list] Trenton, Wisconsin

2003-03-05 Thread Dave Schultz
  Greetings list members. Speaking of Trenton,
 Wisconsin. I purchased a cool 110.5 gram partslice
 of the Trenton Meteorite from Mike Farmer a few
 years
 back that has the original old Wards label. Just
 wanted to share a few pictures of it with everyone,
 as long as they turn out. I know that I really enjoy
 seeing meteorites from other list members, so I hope
 that you will enjoy these! Even though I don`t
 necessarily collect Irons, I`m sure that this one
 will be in my personal collection for a long time!
  Thanks, Dave.
 
 The links:
 
 http://www.timewarp.de/daves/Mvc-175s.jpg
 
 http://www.timewarp.de/daves/Mvc-176s.jpg
 
 http://www.timewarp.de/daves/Mvc-177s.jpg
 
 


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Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS ALL COMING

2003-03-05 Thread Dave Schultz
  I will try, but I think I have to work on Sunday. :(
What times are you looking at and, are you meeting at
the Field Museum? I guess my e-mails to Steve Witt
never made it to him. 
   Dave 


 hi list. I guess this is a final call. So far we
 have 4 others coming to
 party with rob elliott on sunday night. Just
 wondering if anyone else from
 the region will be stopping by to have a goog ol'
 time?There will be alot
 of drinking meteorite trading and selling, and who
 knows what else. Let me
 know if you are coming.
 
   
 steve arnold, chicago
 
 =
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 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728
 Illinois Meteorites
 Website url http://www.illinoismeteorites.com
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Thuathe

2003-03-05 Thread JPBrockets
In a message dated 3/5/2003 11:31:22 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I think that many people should be getting their Thuathe pieces today. Let us know how you like them! Isn't is the most beautiful fall for a long time! 

Got mine today - thanks! Great looking piece!

Juris Breikss
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Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS ALL COMING

2003-03-05 Thread FERNLEA4
In a message dated 06/03/2003 01:05:07 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I will try, but I think I have to work on Sunday. :(
What times are you looking at and, are you meeting at
the Field Museum? I guess my e-mails to Steve Witt
never made it to him.

Hi Dave,
we're all meeting up at the Holiday Inn Express, Algonquin at 7:30 on Sunday evening. Hope you can make it!

Cheers,
Rob.
www.meteorites.uk.com
Fernlea Meteorites,
The Wynd,
Off Dickson Lane,
Milton of Balgonie,
Fife. KY7 6PY
United Kingdom
Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563
Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991
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Re: [meteorite-list] Where to get Riker Mounts?

2003-03-05 Thread Mike Groetz
Hi Peter-
   Believe it or not- the best place to get them here
in the states I have found is at the antique malls. I
believe over seas they may call them antique fairs.
   They are less expensive there than I have seen on
the internet, you don't have to pay shipping, and many
times you can get a volume discount with a larger
purchase as you are suggesting.
   Their quality has been excellent too.
Take Care,
Mike Groetz

--- Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hello list,
 
 Meteorites look quite nice in these black
 «Riker Mount» boxes.
 I'm looking for 100 boxes, size 85x110 mm.
 Does anyone know where I can get these?  - as cheap
 as possible ;-) !
 Thanks for your help!
 
 Peter Marmet, Bern, Switzerland
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS ALL COMING

2003-03-05 Thread Sharkkb8
 
I guess this is a final call. So far we have 4 others coming to
party with rob elliott on sunday night. Just wondering if anyone else from
the region will be stopping by to have a goog ol' time?There will be alot
of drinking meteorite trading and selling, and who knows what else. Let me
know if you are coming.


While it might be questionable judgment to VOLUNTARILY leave the sunny 75 degrees of Malibu for the apparent arctic wasteland that is currently Northern Illinois, I'm going to be present for a few days. I'll probably end up being a sort of combination interpreter/chauffeur/roadie for Mr. Elliott, mostly as a public service to the USA. When Rob can actually come to the States as planned, i.e. no horses breaking his fingers at the last minute, it's a bit like the Crocodile Dundee moviesan odd-but-well-meaning guy with weird hair who talks funny, trying to keep up with life in the big city, in this case, the Windy one. My duties will largely involve beer-temperature monitoring and trying to talk him into trying various meats and delicacies which haven't been boiled, that sort of thing. Looking forward to meeting any and all for the above-mentioned "goog ol' time". ;-)

Gregory


[meteorite-list] OT: (Probable) meteorwrong story conclusion

2003-03-05 Thread Robert Verish
http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/hotrocks.html

Hey Rob Matson and Ron Hartman,

Here is that web page about the sulfide slag that
Ken Newton has on his Meteor-wrong Central web site. 
 
I use it all the time, as a reference for this
meteor-wrong topic.  Just last week somebody brought
me more of this type of material that they found in an
estate collection.  There were a couple of other
superb meteor-wrongs in there, as well.  Since Ken
is putting together such a great collection of these
-wrongs, I'll be mailing them off to him shortly.

And how about if we form a discussion group devoted
to MWs?  I think I'll try and talk Ken into being the
moderator on a new YahooGroup just for this purpose,
so that we can have a home for all of this good
information, which is essentially OFF-TOPIC, as far as
this M-List is concerned, even though it takes up more
than half our bandwidth (if you include all the Oman
Lunarite messages;-)!

Bob V.

-- Original Message ---
Hi Bob, Norbert and List,

I got an interesting message today which I'll share
shortly, but first we must go back to June of last
year when I first noticed a questionable meteorite
show up on eBay.  Here's the message I sent to Bob
Verish about it:

From: Matson, Robert  
Sent:   Thursday, June 06, 2002 6:23 PM
To: 'Bob Verish - home'; 'Bob Verish - work'
Subject:  Mohave meteorwrong?

Hi Bob,

This has just shown up on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2110888286

Large, 14-lb Mohave meteorite.  Seller is from
Chico, so he probably means Mojave. The price is
absurd, and the seller has no feedback, so something
smells fishy.  From the pictures, it might actually be
a meteorite -- it certainly looks better than most
meteorwrongs on eBay.
But practically no data is provided other than the
mass.  --Rob
 
- - - - -

Bob promptly replied:

 Weighs approximately 6272g/14 lbs. 
 And its approximate dimensions are 
 5.75, 4, 3.5/14.5 cm, 10cm, 13.5

Hi Rob,

Thanks for the heads-up.

Is my math wrong, or does this specific gravity look
like it is within the range for most chondritic
meteorites?

Check out my version of his images (see attachments)

Bob V.
- - - - - -

Bob later added:  I meant to add on the previous
message - that I think this is another chunk of
Sulfide-rich slag!
(take a look at the corners where a bright interior is
exposed;-)
I wouldn't be surprised in the least, if it is...
--Bob V.

Since the auction is long since over, the links to the
images are gone, *BUT* I just found I do still have
Bob's versions of his images.  With Bob's permission,
I'll post them to my webspace and provide the links
here if anyone is curious.

A day later, Norbert Classen noticed the auction and
posted this message to the Meteorite Collectors
Association list:

Hi there, 

Did you see this neat MW from the Mohave desert? Don't
forget, it's Very Rare! Great Value at $21,280.
Okay, some people might think that $3.40/g is a
reasonable price for something that might be a
meteorite AND from the US - but I really doubt that
this is the real thing. What do you think? 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2110888286

Ebay Item # 2110888286
Best,
Norbert Classen
IMCA #7606

- - - -

I replied to Norbert and the list:

I noticed this auction yesterday, and being keenly
interested in any meteorite finds from California
(misspelling of Mojave notwithstanding),
I floated it by Bob Verish to get his thoughts.  It
doesn't look like hematite or magnetite, but then
again the seller doesn't mention magnetism.  Bob did
some photo enhancement of his images to get a better
look at what appeared to be some specular spots on
the rock surface -- spots which look not unlike some
of the roasted sulfide slags we've been talking about
recently.
 
A rough computation of the specific gravity suggests
that the stone is indeed in the range of most
chondrites (high 3's to low 4's) -- the density is too
low to be an iron meteorite.  I ~have~ found
chondrites
which have weathered exteriors that look a lot like
this stone, but the high price, minimal information,
and the lack of a history for the seller smells bad to
me... --Rob

Leaving no stone unturned (sorry, couldn't resist!), I
sent the following message to the seller:

Based on the images in your auction, it is difficult
to say whether your stone is meteoritic or not.  If
you haven't cut into it or ground down a corner, it is
probably premature to call it a meteorite.

Your auction could use some more detail, particularly
given the price you're asking for it.  For example,
where was it found; when was it found; is it magnetic;
how do you know it is a meteorite, etc.  I have
discovered many meteorites in California, and have an
extensive database of information for all California
meteorites, so naturally I have some interest in your
stone -- assuming it turns out to be a meteorite. 
Btw, I assume since you're in Chico that you meant
Mojave rather than Mohave -- Mojave is in CA; Mohave
is 

[meteorite-list] UPDATED - for sale page - http://www.meteorman.org/meteorite_frame.htm

2003-03-05 Thread Tim Heitz
Hello Collectors,

I just added some things to the for sale page -
http://www.meteorman.org/meteorite_frame.htm
Thank You,
Tim Heitz - MIDWEST METEORITES - http://www.meteorman.org
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Auctions ending in less the 24 hours on ebay!

2003-03-05 Thread Michael Cottingham




- Original Message - 
From: Michael 
Cottingham 
To: Michael Cottingham 
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:06 PM
Subject: Auctions ending in less the 24 hours on ebay!

Hello Everyone,

I have 83 auctions ending in less then 24 hours on 
ebay! Many low prices still abound

goto:

http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/


Thanks  Best Wishes

Michael


[meteorite-list] THUATHE! The Best Fall in a LONG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-03-05 Thread Michael Cottingham



Hello Everyone!!!


I went to see Mike Farmer on Mondayjust around 
the time of his grand opening for Thuathe...the new FALL from Lesotho! I 
fell in love with that meteorite. BLACK FUSION CRUST on most pieces...FLOW LINES 
and DEEP GROVES on others...SOOO BEAUTIFUL! I bought
a 256.5 gram masterpiece, 146 gramGroove deep 
with flight markings, and about 10 other pieces nearly 500 
grams
worth. 

With all the write up and field data collected so 
far, not to mention the cool stories for many of the pieces I believe this is 
one hot puppynot since La Criolla or Portales Valley
has a meteorite been so exciting. I LOVE THIS 
METEORITE maybe it has been a lack of exciting new falls or maybe it just is 
a great meteorite. I do know that
Mike Farmer just about sold out during the 3 Hours 
I was visiting him! 

I just want to Thank Mike Farmerin 
Public...for putting a Great New Meteorite on The market and for puttting a 
spark back into collecting for me YEAH! THUATHE! LESOTHO 1st 
METEORITE.

Michael Cottingham


[meteorite-list] Fw: THUATHE! The Best Fall in a LONG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-03-05 Thread Michael Cottingham



PS. Thanks to Eric who went with Mike Farmer 
too.
I didn't see Eric's stones, although I am sure they 
are just as fine, since they came from many of the same sources!
Thanks Eric  Mike!!!



- Original Message - 
From: Michael 
Cottingham 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:38 PM
Subject: THUATHE! The Best Fall in a LONG 
TIME!!

Hello Everyone!!!


I went to see Mike Farmer on Mondayjust around 
the time of his grand opening for Thuathe...the new FALL from Lesotho! I 
fell in love with that meteorite. BLACK FUSION CRUST on most pieces...FLOW LINES 
and DEEP GROVES on others...SOOO BEAUTIFUL! I bought
a 256.5 gram masterpiece, 146 gramGroove deep 
with flight markings, and about 10 other pieces nearly 500 
grams
worth. 

With all the write up and field data collected so 
far, not to mention the cool stories for many of the pieces I believe this is 
one hot puppynot since La Criolla or Portales Valley
has a meteorite been so exciting. I LOVE THIS 
METEORITE maybe it has been a lack of exciting new falls or maybe it just is 
a great meteorite. I do know that
Mike Farmer just about sold out during the 3 Hours 
I was visiting him! 

I just want to Thank Mike Farmerin 
Public...for putting a Great New Meteorite on The market and for puttting a 
spark back into collecting for me YEAH! THUATHE! LESOTHO 1st 
METEORITE.

Michael Cottingham


Re: [meteorite-list] THUATHE! The Best Fall in a LONG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-03-05 Thread David Freeman
Dear Michael, All lucky Thuathe owners;
Any chance of a photo of one or two cool specimens for the rest of us 
not so fortunate slugs?  

Even a picture of a crumb is wealth to a starving person! The stories 
are wonderful!

Very Best,
Dave F.
Michael Cottingham wrote:

Hello Everyone!!!

 

 

I went to see Mike Farmer on Mondayjust around the time of his 
grand opening for Thuathe...the new FALL from Lesotho!  I fell in love 
with that meteorite. BLACK FUSION CRUST on most pieces...FLOW LINES 
and DEEP GROVES on others...SOOO BEAUTIFUL!  I bought

a 256.5 gram masterpiece, 146 gram Groove deep with flight markings, 
and about 10 other pieces nearly 500 grams

worth. 

 

With all the write up and field data collected so far, not to mention 
the cool stories for many of the pieces I believe this is one hot 
puppynot since La Criolla or Portales Valley

has a meteorite been so exciting.  I LOVE THIS METEORITE maybe it 
has been a lack of exciting new falls or maybe it just is a great 
meteorite.  I do know that

Mike Farmer just about sold out during the 3 Hours I was visiting him! 

 

I just want to Thank Mike Farmer in Public...for putting a Great New 
Meteorite on The market and for puttting a spark back into collecting 
for me  YEAH!  THUATHE! LESOTHO 1st METEORITE.

 

Michael Cottingham



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Re: [meteorite-list] THUATHE! The Best Fall in a LONG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-03-05 Thread Michael Cottingham
Hello,

I will take some photos with some daylight tomorrow and post links to
them... I would be happy to!

Thanks  Best Wishes

Michael
- Original Message -
From: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] THUATHE! The Best Fall in a LONG
TIME!!


 Dear Michael, All lucky Thuathe owners;
 Any chance of a photo of one or two cool specimens for the rest of us
 not so fortunate slugs?

 Even a picture of a crumb is wealth to a starving person! The stories
 are wonderful!

 Very Best,
 Dave F.

 Michael Cottingham wrote:

  Hello Everyone!!!
 
 
 
 
 
  I went to see Mike Farmer on Mondayjust around the time of his
  grand opening for Thuathe...the new FALL from Lesotho!  I fell in love
  with that meteorite. BLACK FUSION CRUST on most pieces...FLOW LINES
  and DEEP GROVES on others...SOOO BEAUTIFUL!  I bought
 
  a 256.5 gram masterpiece, 146 gram Groove deep with flight markings,
  and about 10 other pieces nearly 500 grams
 
  worth.
 
 
 
  With all the write up and field data collected so far, not to mention
  the cool stories for many of the pieces I believe this is one hot
  puppynot since La Criolla or Portales Valley
 
  has a meteorite been so exciting.  I LOVE THIS METEORITE maybe it
  has been a lack of exciting new falls or maybe it just is a great
  meteorite.  I do know that
 
  Mike Farmer just about sold out during the 3 Hours I was visiting him!
 
 
 
  I just want to Thank Mike Farmer in Public...for putting a Great New
  Meteorite on The market and for puttting a spark back into collecting
  for me  YEAH!  THUATHE! LESOTHO 1st METEORITE.
 
 
 
  Michael Cottingham
 






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Re: [meteorite-list] THUATHE! The Best Fall in a LONG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-03-05 Thread Michael Farmer
Dave, did you not visit my website with tons of photos?
Mike Farmer
- Original Message -
From: Michael Cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] THUATHE! The Best Fall in a LONG
TIME!!


 Hello,

 I will take some photos with some daylight tomorrow and post links to
 them... I would be happy to!

 Thanks  Best Wishes

 Michael
 - Original Message -
 From: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Michael Cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] THUATHE! The Best Fall in a LONG
 TIME!!


  Dear Michael, All lucky Thuathe owners;
  Any chance of a photo of one or two cool specimens for the rest of us
  not so fortunate slugs?
 
  Even a picture of a crumb is wealth to a starving person! The stories
  are wonderful!
 
  Very Best,
  Dave F.
 
  Michael Cottingham wrote:
 
   Hello Everyone!!!
  
  
  
  
  
   I went to see Mike Farmer on Mondayjust around the time of his
   grand opening for Thuathe...the new FALL from Lesotho!  I fell in love
   with that meteorite. BLACK FUSION CRUST on most pieces...FLOW LINES
   and DEEP GROVES on others...SOOO BEAUTIFUL!  I bought
  
   a 256.5 gram masterpiece, 146 gram Groove deep with flight markings,
   and about 10 other pieces nearly 500 grams
  
   worth.
  
  
  
   With all the write up and field data collected so far, not to mention
   the cool stories for many of the pieces I believe this is one hot
   puppynot since La Criolla or Portales Valley
  
   has a meteorite been so exciting.  I LOVE THIS METEORITE maybe it
   has been a lack of exciting new falls or maybe it just is a great
   meteorite.  I do know that
  
   Mike Farmer just about sold out during the 3 Hours I was visiting him!
  
  
  
   I just want to Thank Mike Farmer in Public...for putting a Great New
   Meteorite on The market and for puttting a spark back into collecting
   for me  YEAH!  THUATHE! LESOTHO 1st METEORITE.
  
  
  
   Michael Cottingham
  
 
 
 



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[meteorite-list] NWA 757

2003-03-05 Thread Fred Olsen
Does anyone have some of NWA 757 for sale?  If so please contact me off
list.  Regards,  Fred Olsen


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Re: [meteorite-list] Thuathe

2003-03-05 Thread walter branch



Hi Mike,

Nice story and a great recovery. I like 
meteorites with stories.
Thanks also for thepictures.

You indicae thatstones reportedly hit several 
houses. Can you 
confirm that anything else was hit by the 
stones?

-Walter
-www.branchmeteorites.com



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Michael 
  Farmer 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:20 
  PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Thuathe
  
  I think that many people should be getting their 
  Thuathe pieces today. Let us know how you like them! Isn't is the most 
  beautiful fall for a long time! 
  I have updated my website with the last of my 
  pieces, still some nice ones but more fragments. 
  check them out if you missed the first round or 
  want another piece. 
  Mike Farmer
  http://www.meteoriteguy.com/thuathehunt.htm


Re: [meteorite-list] Tatahouine Pronounciation - Thanks

2003-03-05 Thread Impactika
In a message dated 3/5/2003 1:41:52 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Thanks everyone for your help. I just love a good meteorite pronounciation debate! ;-)
 


Do you want to try another one? Orgueil, for instance. :-)


Anne Black
IMCA #2356
www.IMPACTIKA.com
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


[meteorite-list] Problems, problems, problems

2003-03-05 Thread walter branch
Hello Everyone,

Two long stories made short:

Email problems.  I have had recent email problems
and I was off the list for almost two weeks. 
If anyone emailed me and
I did not respond, I apologize.  I probably never 
got your email.

Website problems.  A 100% increase in hosting
fees necessitated my locating another host.  My site was
down for a long time but the DNS has now been 
successfully resolved to my new host and is back up,
minus a few images which I did not manage to get
before the old site was shut down.  Look for some
interesting things on my site in the future...

Finally, I have a renewed interest in meteorites with
a different collecting focus.  I had considered leaving
the field at one point but I really missed my time off the list
(didn't even think to keep tabs through the archives)

-Walter
-
www.branchmeteorites.com



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Re: [meteorite-list] Tatahouine Pronounciation - Thanks

2003-03-05 Thread Michael Farmer



Orguiel, too easy. Try 
Muonionalusta!
pronounces 
moe-ni-o-na-luusta. 
Mike Farmer

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  From: 
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  Pronounciation - Thanks
  In a message dated 3/5/2003 1:41:52 AM Mountain Standard 
  Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  Thanks everyone for your help. I just love a good meteorite 
pronounciation debate! ;-)Do you want to try another one? Orgueil, 
  for instance. :-)Anne BlackIMCA #2356www.IMPACTIKA.come-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 



Re: [meteorite-list] Thuathe

2003-03-05 Thread Michael Farmer



Yes, Eric Olson has one stone that was found on the 
roof of a house among drying corn stalks. The residents remembered the 
explosions of the fireball and a few minutes later heard a thump on the roof. 
They forgot about it but when the university people showed up buying stones, 
they went on the roof and found the stone. He has the paperwork and 
documentation to prove the stone was found on the roof in the presence of the 
University officials. 
Other stones hit houses, bit since all were small, 
no damage was reported other than the stone which broke the plastic water 
bucket. 
Mike Farmer

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  walter 
  branch 
  To: Michael Farmer ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:03 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 
  Thuathe
  
  Hi Mike,
  
  Nice story and a great recovery. I like 
  meteorites with stories.
  Thanks also for thepictures.
  
  You indicae thatstones reportedly hit 
  several houses. Can you 
  confirm that anything else was hit by the 
  stones?
  
  -Walter
  -www.branchmeteorites.com
  
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Michael 
Farmer 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:20 
PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Thuathe

I think that many people should be getting 
their Thuathe pieces today. Let us know how you like them! Isn't is the most 
beautiful fall for a long time! 
I have updated my website with the last of my 
pieces, still some nice ones but more fragments. 
check them out if you missed the first round or 
want another piece. 
Mike Farmer
http://www.meteoriteguy.com/thuathehunt.htm


Re: [meteorite-list] Thuathe

2003-03-05 Thread walter branch



Mike,

Ahhh, thanks very much. Just the kind of 

documentation I was looking for!

-Walter
-www.branchmeteorites.com



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Michael 
  Farmer 
  To: walter branch ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:43 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 
  Thuathe
  
  Yes, Eric Olson has one stone that was found on 
  the roof of a house among drying corn stalks. The residents remembered the 
  explosions of the fireball and a few minutes later heard a thump on the roof. 
  They forgot about it but when the university people showed up buying stones, 
  they went on the roof and found the stone. He has the paperwork and 
  documentation to prove the stone was found on the roof in the presence of the 
  University officials. 
  Other stones hit houses, bit since all were 
  small, no damage was reported other than the stone which broke the plastic 
  water bucket. 
  Mike Farmer
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
walter 
branch 
To: Michael Farmer ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:03 
PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 
Thuathe

Hi Mike,

Nice story and a great recovery. I like 
meteorites with stories.
Thanks also for thepictures.

You indicae thatstones reportedly hit 
several houses. Can you 
confirm that anything else was hit by the 
stones?

-Walter
-www.branchmeteorites.com



  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Michael Farmer 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 1:20 
  PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] 
  Thuathe
  
  I think that many people should be getting 
  their Thuathe pieces today. Let us know how you like them! Isn't is the 
  most beautiful fall for a long time! 
  I have updated my website with the last of my 
  pieces, still some nice ones but more fragments. 
  check them out if you missed the first round 
  or want another piece. 
  Mike Farmer
  http://www.meteoriteguy.com/thuathehunt.htm


Re: [meteorite-list] Tatahouine Pronounciation - HAH! Try these!

2003-03-05 Thread Jeff Kuyken



HAH! Orgueil  Muonionalusta! Not a bad 
challenge at all. But why don't you give these meteorite names a try! 
;-)

Jajh deh Kot Lalu
Bielokrynitschie
Zhovtnevyi
Gualeguaychú
Savtschenskoje
Verkhne Dnieprovsk
Veliko-Nikolaevsky Priisk


Now they're tongue-twisters,

Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteoritesaustralia.com



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  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tatahouine 
  Pronounciation - Thanks
  Do you want to try another one? Orgueil, 
  for instance. :-)Anne BlackIMCA #2356www.IMPACTIKA.come-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]