Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group
Greetings Al, Adam, List, My thoughts went to Dr. Nininger also, but since he has already recieved the honor, my next thought went to the man who's responsible for alot of us having the knowledg we now have. What do you all think of Nortonite. I think it's time to put credit where credit is due. That's about as witty as I get. thanx, Steve --- almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Adam and all, Adam Hupe wrote: It was suggested that it be named in honor of some famous pioneer in the field of meteoritics or some closely related. I would like to see Harvey Nininger's name associated with it if at all possible. He has the honor though, of having a meteoritic mineral named after him Niningerite so perhaps something like Harveyite might create less confusion for this new class of meteorite belonging to the HED group. On the other hand HEDH might also be confusing. Perhaps those more witty than I can figure something. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky update
I agree with Mike!!! I think we do need to stick together and If these people do not make it right fast, we as the meteorite community need to put these type of people out of business! Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually Matteo, this is not a private affair, it is a very very public affair. The entire meteorite community was scammed, they pulled it over on collectors, dealers and even scientists, much time and money has been wasted. For your information, the woman has refused to answer my emails, so I put it out publicly. They seem to be so nice on the one side but when it is time to ante up, they are nowhere to be found. I assume that as a meteorite community, we need to stick together and when a scam like this is found out, we should certainly all try to make it public so that more people do not get hurt. Mike Farmer Or am I wrong on this one? Please answer open to anyone. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky update you not are the unique to have give many money on this meteorwrong, but not put emails for show this, I know persons have give over your money and never have put similar emails...this is private affairs. Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people didnt spend almost $20,000 buying it, so by all means, forgive me if my patience is running a little thin. I would like you to forward this to the partners in Russia. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Laurie Kallis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:45 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky update I would like to reply to the many responses I received when I posted the translated Shirokovsky article. 1. Our Canadian group did not become involved with the marketing of Shirokovsky until March of this year, so we were not involved in anyway with the transactions that occured in Tucson. But, if the preponderance of evidence indicates that Shirokovsky is terrestrial, we will honor refunds on any sales we have made. Where possible, we will assist, with facilitating refunds on any purchases made through our sister organization in Russia. 2. We expect to hear the results of current testing this week. I will post specifics as soon as they are available. Thank you for the patience most of you have shown. Laurie Kallis _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group
Hi Adam, How about honoring the great photographer of leaverites? Yousefite? ;-) Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group
Becasediogenites were once named Chladnite this name appears in much of the old literature. Therefore I would argue that to reuse his name would lead to some minor confusion between the two. If you want an old death historical figure naming this Olbersite after Wilhem Olbers, the discover of Vesta and other early asteroids, would besensible choice. Also ironictribute as it was because ofOlbers that theouter planets are name after the gods and not named after their discoverers. Olber hadgave his friend Gauss the priviledge to name this asteroid when other astronomers were selfishly fighting over the names on what are now known as Uranus and Neptune. Such virtue made forpoetic nomenclature. And thiswill linkhis name to his discovery.Good for teaching science. However, I wish to propose a modern name for this new meteorite. For his contribution to the public education on meteorites and life time work in the field of meteorics, let's call this Nortonite. (For O. Richard Norton and his wife Dorothy.) I can't think of no one else who would feel more humbled, nor would give our community greater pleasure than to honored these gentlepersons. While other's may have beenfirst to asking the question, "Where are the olivine diogenites",no one hasask this question louder or explain the significance more clearly as he has inhis two books. "Rocksin Space" and "TheCambridge Encyclopediaof Meteorites" How many of us would even careabout HED hadn't been for these two popular works. Howard Wu Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List Members,It is our pleasure to announce NWA 1877, (provisional) the second so-called"Olivine Diogenite" in private hands. This makes number five including thethree Antarctic finds. The significance of it being number five is that itnow qualifies to be promoted to main group status if approved by theNomenclature Committee. Scientists who are working on it agree that thisultra-rare class is suited in every way for a new full-blown group and arewilling to propose this new group. Since O-Isotopes place this from thesame parent body as the HED group, naming this new group would be ahistory-making event. A main group has never been added to the HEDassemblage, only subgroups.This is not paired with NWA 1459, which was found in Iriqui and only weighed49 grams. Weighing in at 312 grams, NWA 1877, (provisional) is the mostolivine-rich yet found with ~50% of this mineral. The scientists who areworking on it suggested coming up with a new name for this group sinceDiogenite, by definition, does not accurately describe this type ofmeteorite. The name "Olivine Diogenite" was coined by scientists working onthe Antarctic finds for lack of a better term at the time. If these fivewere from Earth they would be called "Harzburgitic Peridotites" but youcannot use terrestrial terms to name meteorite types. This is where theList may be able to help. Scientists suggested that the meteoriticcommunity, meaning the List, come up with a name for this group.We do not know what to call this proposed new group since none of them arefrom witnessed falls. It was suggested that it be named in honor of somefamous pioneer in the field of meteoritics or some closely relateddiscipline. We are open to suggestions and know that List members can bevery creative. Who knows? you may be able to become a part of history bycoming up with a suitable name.In case you have not guessed this will be the weekly rare materialannouncement but with some added flare because it is something anyone couldget involved in if they wished. If you come up with a suitable name wewill send you a 1-gram plus specimen free of charge.Wishing everybody the very best,Adam and Greg HupeThe Hupe CollectionIMCA 2185__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listWant to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky update
Actually Matteo, this is not a private affair, it is a very very public affair. The entire meteorite community was scammed, they pulled it over on collectors, dealers and even scientists, much time and money has been wasted. For your information, the woman has refused to answer my emails, so I put it out publicly. They seem to be so nice on the one side but when it is time to ante up, they are nowhere to be found. I assume that as a meteorite community, we need to stick together and when a scam like this is found out, we should certainly all try to make it public so that more people do not get hurt. Mike Farmer Or am I wrong on this one? Please answer open to anyone. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky update you not are the unique to have give many money on this meteorwrong, but not put emails for show this, I know persons have give over your money and never have put similar emails...this is private affairs. Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people didnt spend almost $20,000 buying it, so by all means, forgive me if my patience is running a little thin. I would like you to forward this to the partners in Russia. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Laurie Kallis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:45 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky update I would like to reply to the many responses I received when I posted the translated Shirokovsky article. 1. Our Canadian group did not become involved with the marketing of Shirokovsky until March of this year, so we were not involved in anyway with the transactions that occured in Tucson. But, if the preponderance of evidence indicates that Shirokovsky is terrestrial, we will honor refunds on any sales we have made. Where possible, we will assist, with facilitating refunds on any purchases made through our sister organization in Russia. 2. We expect to hear the results of current testing this week. I will post specifics as soon as they are available. Thank you for the patience most of you have shown. Laurie Kallis _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky update
I think that Matteo means the financial losses made by people are private. The scam itself is very public, and no one would disagree. Such forums as ours are the most effective way to do it, but not everyone will want to make public that they were taken in. On the other hand, the more that is made public now, the more effective the warning to others contemplating such a scam will be. -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2003 9:29 AM To: M come Meteorite Meteorites; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky update Actually Matteo, this is not a private affair, it is a very very public affair. The entire meteorite community was scammed, they pulled it over on collectors, dealers and even scientists, much time and money has been wasted. For your information, the woman has refused to answer my emails, so I put it out publicly. They seem to be so nice on the one side but when it is time to ante up, they are nowhere to be found. I assume that as a meteorite community, we need to stick together and when a scam like this is found out, we should certainly all try to make it public so that more people do not get hurt. Mike Farmer Or am I wrong on this one? Please answer open to anyone. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group
I'll throwtwo in...Saganite or Hawkingite. Saganite has a nice ring to it.--Rob Wesel--We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams.Willy Wonka, 1971 Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List Members,It is our pleasure to announce NWA 1877, (provisional) the second so-called"Olivine Diogenite" in private hands. This makes number five including thethree Antarctic finds. The significance of it being number five is that itnow qualifies to be promoted to main group status if approved by theNomenclature Committee. Scientists who are working on it agree that thisultra-rare class is suited in every way for a new full-blown group and arewilling to propose this new group. Since O-Isotopes place this from thesame parent body as the HED group, naming this new group would be ahistory-making event. A main group has never been added to the HEDassemblage, only subgroups.This is not paired with NWA 1459, which was found in Iriqui and only weighed49 grams. Weighing in at 312 grams, NWA 1877, (provisional) is the mostolivine-rich yet found with ~50% of this mineral. The scientists who areworking on it suggested coming up with a new name for this group sinceDiogenite, by definition, does not accurately describe this type ofmeteorite. The name "Olivine Diogenite" was coined by scientists working onthe Antarctic finds for lack of a better term at the time. If these fivewere from Earth they would be called "Harzburgitic Peridotites" but youcannot use terrestrial terms to name meteorite types. This is where theList may be able to help. Scientists suggested that the meteoriticcommunity, meaning the List, come up with a name for this group.We do not know what to call this proposed new group since none of them arefrom witnessed falls. It was suggested that it be named in honor of somefamous pioneer in the field of meteoritics or some closely relateddiscipline. We are open to suggestions and know that List members can bevery creative. Who knows? you may be able to become a part of history bycoming up with a suitable name.In case you have not guessed this will be the weekly rare materialannouncement but with some added flare because it is something anyone couldget involved in if they wished. If you come up with a suitable name wewill send you a 1-gram plus specimen free of charge.Wishing everybody the very best,Adam and Greg HupeThe Hupe CollectionIMCA 2185__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Want to chat instantly with your online friends?Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
[meteorite-list] RE: Summertime Desiccant Tune-Up
Ryan, (I live in the UK) I got my Silica gel from : http://www.geejaychemicals.co.uk/cobaltchloride.htm#SELF-INDICATING%20(B LUE)%20SILICA%20GEL. Or Just do a search in google.com (or similar) for 'Indicating silica gel' We buy it at work (in big tins), but I am sure they do it packets and all sorts of forms. The best way to use it is to get a plastic container (such as the clear ones that 35mm films come in) and stab a small few holes in the top, fill it with silica and replace the lid. Because plastic film containers are slightly transparent you can see the colour change. Best Wishes, Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 June 2003 17:33 To: mark ford Subject: Re: Summertime Desiccant Tune-Up Hi Mark, Thanks for the advice; I greatly appreciate it. Anyway, I was wondering where you purchase your indicating silica gel and in what form (something like a Dri-Box or packets?). Could you please let me know if you have any recommendations as to where I could purchase it online. Thanks Again! -Ryan __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Ringwoodite
Hi, James - I've seen ringwoodite in shock veins in the Martian meteorite EETA79001. Have not seen it in any other Martian, nor inthe lunars. Allan = Original Message From Tom aka James Knudson SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = Hello List, Is Ringwoodite found in Lunar or Martian meteorites? Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group
Hi Steve and all, Real good idea using Richard Norton (and his super nice wife) for a classification. They get my vote! --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FAQ page advise (books link)
Hello all, I have updated the "Links" link on the FAQ page. One of the links I offer is to a page for books on meteorites which is simply a link to a google search on meteorite books. The only problem I see with this is that I could fill the FAQ page with google search links. Does anyone have any ideas on this? Thanks.Ari MachizTVBTITU Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
RE: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky update
Though I hate to mention lawyers... But maybe there is a lawyer in our group that would consider putting together a class action lawsuit against these individuals that scammed so many. Everyone that has purchased this skillfully made meteorwrong sold as a meteorite should consider this. The judge in the case could then assess damages over the actual loss of finances. Steve Schoner/AMS --- Ryan Darby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that Matteo means the financial losses made by people are private. The scam itself is very public, and no one would disagree. Such forums as ours are the most effective way to do it, but not everyone will want to make public that they were taken in. On the other hand, the more that is made public now, the more effective the warning to others contemplating such a scam will be. -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2003 9:29 AM To: M come Meteorite Meteorites; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky update Actually Matteo, this is not a private affair, it is a very very public affair. The entire meteorite community was scammed, they pulled it over on collectors, dealers and even scientists, much time and money has been wasted. For your information, the woman has refused to answer my emails, so I put it out publicly. They seem to be so nice on the one side but when it is time to ante up, they are nowhere to be found. I assume that as a meteorite community, we need to stick together and when a scam like this is found out, we should certainly all try to make it public so that more people do not get hurt. Mike Farmer Or am I wrong on this one? Please answer open to anyone. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group
New groups names are not a NomCom issue, although there are people who think it should be. Group names come into being through consensus. Many group names have died at birth, never being adopted by anybody other that the person who wrote the initial publication (e.g., F chondrites, CA chondrites). Others have caught on and become widely accepted (recently, R, CH, CK, CR chondrites). Still others remain on the fence (e.g., CB chondrites versus bencubbinites or just bencubbin-like meteorites). It takes time. My personal opinion is that olivine diogenite is a perfectly fine term. Although it preserves the antiquated, nondescriptive, trivial term diogenite, everybody in meteoritics now knows what a diogenite is, and that it comes from the HED parent body, most likely Vesta. What we don't need now, in this age where we actually know where meteorites come from, is more trivial terms. I strongly doubt that any publication that proposes calling them something else would ever catch on. jeff At 10:55 PM 6/17/2003, Adam Hupe wrote: Dear List Members, It is our pleasure to announce NWA 1877, (provisional) the second so-called Olivine Diogenite in private hands. This makes number five including the three Antarctic finds. The significance of it being number five is that it now qualifies to be promoted to main group status if approved by the Nomenclature Committee. Scientists who are working on it agree that this ultra-rare class is suited in every way for a new full-blown group and are willing to propose this new group. Since O-Isotopes place this from the same parent body as the HED group, naming this new group would be a history-making event. A main group has never been added to the HED assemblage, only subgroups. This is not paired with NWA 1459, which was found in Iriqui and only weighed 49 grams. Weighing in at 312 grams, NWA 1877, (provisional) is the most olivine-rich yet found with ~50% of this mineral. The scientists who are working on it suggested coming up with a new name for this group since Diogenite, by definition, does not accurately describe this type of meteorite. The name Olivine Diogenite was coined by scientists working on the Antarctic finds for lack of a better term at the time. If these five were from Earth they would be called Harzburgitic Peridotites but you cannot use terrestrial terms to name meteorite types. This is where the List may be able to help. Scientists suggested that the meteoritic community, meaning the List, come up with a name for this group. We do not know what to call this proposed new group since none of them are from witnessed falls. It was suggested that it be named in honor of some famous pioneer in the field of meteoritics or some closely related discipline. We are open to suggestions and know that List members can be very creative. Who knows? you may be able to become a part of history by coming up with a suitable name. In case you have not guessed this will be the weekly rare material announcement but with some added flare because it is something anyone could get involved in if they wished. If you come up with a suitable name we will send you a 1-gram plus specimen free of charge. Wishing everybody the very best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman Chair, Meteorite Nomenclature Committee (Meteoritical Society) US Geological Survey 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA Phone: (703) 648-6184 fax: (703) 648-6383 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] HUGE ebay sale today! ALL one cent start
Hello everyone, tonight I have over 50 meteorites ending on ebay. some very nice specimens, including a .10 gram Nakhlite, 10 gram Millbillillie complete, and so many other nice pieces. ALL started at one cent, and most are still near that! I have a feeling that many items will sell extraordinarily cheap tonight, so go take a look, and fill some holes in your collection, get some great pieces are very low prices. Thanks Mike Farmer PS, I have pieces listed under two names, the first is my usual, [EMAIL PROTECTED] the second is a new one, meteoritehunters. http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/farmerm%40concentric.net/ there is no link to the meteoritehunters listings.
[meteorite-list] check this out, new items from British Museum
Hi everyone, several things in this email. First, I have added links here to two more photos of the beautiful perfectly oriented stone meteorite that is selling on ebay this evening here is a link to the item http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2179529637category=3239rd=1 Here are two links to new photos, I could not add them directly to the auction http://www.meteoriteguy.com/orientede.jpg http://www.meteoriteguy.com/orientedd.jpg On another note, I received a much anticipated package today from the Natural History Museum in London. It contained a batch of Estherville Nuggets and a Supahee stone that I acquired in an exchange of the last few months. I went to the museum twice on my way both times to Lesotho. I have listed some of the Estherville's. I got to hand pick the pieces out of a batch of 500 grams of the most perfect fresh little metal nuggets that exist. These are so cool, perfect, flow lines, oriented, crystals, they have it all and are from one of the top collections in the world. See them here http://www.meteoriteguy/eshterville.htm I also got a beautiful stone that ill bet almost none of you have ever seen much less knew existed. It is called Supahee. This meteorite fell in India in 1865 and only six small stones fell. I got one of them that fell into an Indigo factory! NOT FOR SALE but be sure to take a look at the specimen, beautiful breccia. http://www.meteoriteguy.com/supaheecollection.htm Thanks Mike Farmer PS, don't forget to bid tonight, so many meteorites ending on ebay, so cheap!
[meteorite-list] Planetary auctions ending in one hour
Dear List Members, The ten planetary auctions that all started out at 99 cents are ending in about one hour. All are still at a fraction of retail so be sure to check them out. You will not see this caliber of auction very often and at such low prices so now is your chance to acquire a sizable chunk at a fraction of what you will find it offered elsewhere. We cannot afford to do this kind of thing very often so now may be the time to bid. The eBay link is provided below: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritelab/ Thank you, once again, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group
Dear List, A lot of good suggestions for naming this new group are rolling in and we are pleased with the turn-out. We thought the NomCom had something to do with naming of meteorite groups because many submitted description titles have been changed after NomCom voting when new meteorites were submitted. One example is NWA 1459 which was submitted as an Olivine Diogenite and was published as Diogenite, olivine-rich. Only a few scientists ever heard the term Olivine Diogenite before NWA 1459 was announced. It finally answered the question for some researchers Where are the pieces from Vesta's mantle? It is now widely accepted that these are what they have been looking for. It is our belief that by incorporating the name Diogenite in the title the true importance of these specimens was lost to obscurity. The term is so obscure that despite the best efforts of the list nobody was able to guess the Mystery Main Mass Contest even though several good clues and coaching were given. We agree that a consensus should be reached before an attempt is made at naming this group. That is why we are seeking help of the list to come up with a suitable name. What better time than now since very few papers are published using the descriptor Olivine Diogenite? Before NWA 1459 was announced you might get three hits when using a search engine. After the List comes up with a suitable name we will ask researchers, again what they think before trying to incorporate a new name. The subject has been discussed with several scientists who feel that a new name would be in order rather than trying to pigeonhole it into another group. We believe that by adding another group it will make it clearer in this case rather than clouding the waters. All the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group
Dear List, A lot of good suggestions for naming this new group are rolling in and we are pleased with the turn-out. We thought the NomCom had something to do with naming of meteorite groups because many submitted description titles have been changed after NomCom voting when new meteorites were submitted. One example is NWA 1459 which was submitted as an Olivine Diogenite and was published as Diogenite, olivine-rich. Only a few scientists ever heard the term Olivine Diogenite before NWA 1459 was announced. It finally answered the question for some researchers Where are the pieces from Vesta's mantle? It is now widely accepted that these are what they have been looking for. It is our belief that by incorporating the name Diogenite in the title the true importance of these specimens was lost to obscurity. The term is so obscure that despite the best efforts of the list nobody was able to guess the Mystery Main Mass Contest even though several good clues and coaching were given. We agree that a consensus should be reached before an attempt is made at naming this group. That is why we are seeking help of the list to come up with a suitable name. What better time than now since very few papers are published using the descriptor Olivine Diogenite? Before NWA 1459 was announced you might get three hits when using a search engine. After the List comes up with a suitable name we will ask researchers, again what they think before trying to incorporate a new name. The subject has been discussed with several scientists who feel that a new name would be in order rather than trying to pigeonhole it into another group. We believe that by adding another group it will make it clearer in this case rather than clouding the waters. All the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group New groups names are not a NomCom issue, although there are people who think it should be. Group names come into being through consensus. Many group names have died at birth, never being adopted by anybody other that the person who wrote the initial publication (e.g., F chondrites, CA chondrites). Others have caught on and become widely accepted (recently, R, CH, CK, CR chondrites). Still others remain on the fence (e.g., CB chondrites versus bencubbinites or just bencubbin-like meteorites). It takes time. My personal opinion is that olivine diogenite is a perfectly fine term. Although it preserves the antiquated, nondescriptive, trivial term diogenite, everybody in meteoritics now knows what a diogenite is, and that it comes from the HED parent body, most likely Vesta. What we don't need now, in this age where we actually know where meteorites come from, is more trivial terms. I strongly doubt that any publication that proposes calling them something else would ever catch on. jeff At 10:55 PM 6/17/2003, Adam Hupe wrote: Dear List Members, It is our pleasure to announce NWA 1877, (provisional) the second so-called Olivine Diogenite in private hands. This makes number five including the three Antarctic finds. The significance of it being number five is that it now qualifies to be promoted to main group status if approved by the Nomenclature Committee. Scientists who are working on it agree that this ultra-rare class is suited in every way for a new full-blown group and are willing to propose this new group. Since O-Isotopes place this from the same parent body as the HED group, naming this new group would be a history-making event. A main group has never been added to the HED assemblage, only subgroups. This is not paired with NWA 1459, which was found in Iriqui and only weighed 49 grams. Weighing in at 312 grams, NWA 1877, (provisional) is the most olivine-rich yet found with ~50% of this mineral. The scientists who are working on it suggested coming up with a new name for this group since Diogenite, by definition, does not accurately describe this type of meteorite. The name Olivine Diogenite was coined by scientists working on the Antarctic finds for lack of a better term at the time. If these five were from Earth they would be called Harzburgitic Peridotites but you cannot use terrestrial terms to name meteorite types. This is where the List may be able to help. Scientists suggested that the meteoritic community, meaning the List, come up with a name for this group. We do not know what to call this proposed new group since none of them are from witnessed falls. It was suggested that it be named in honor of some famous pioneer in the field of meteoritics or some closely related discipline. We are open to suggestions and know that List members can be very creative. Who knows? you may be able to become a part of history by coming up with a suitable name.
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[meteorite-list] Mystery Over Bright Sky Light Over Tasmania
http://www.themercury.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,6619337%255E3462,00.html Mystery over bright sky light By ANNE BARBELIUK The Mercury (Australia) June 19, 2003 A MYSTERY trail of blazing light soared through the sky across Tasmania last night. Speculation was rife the light show was direct from outer space - possibly space junk re-entering the Earth's orbit or a giant shooting star. Hobart and Launceston airport towers both witnessed the spectacle. Tasmania Police received calls from witnesses across the state who thought they had seen multi-coloured distress flares. Acting Sergeant Karina Parker said the reports had been baffling initially, since there was no sign of any boats in distress. Each of the callers rang in reporting a flare of a different colour. It was obviously absolutely spectacular, she said. The calls lit up the police switchboard at 8.05pm. We've had calls from Cambridge, Huonville and north of the state as well, she said. Police were later in contact with Hobart and Launceston airports, which both saw the lights and believed they looked more like an enormous shooting star. It appears it was a giant shooting star which fell out of the sky and exploded into all different colours, Acting Sergeant Parker said. Night workers at Launceston Airport said it was the biggest shooting star in memory. However, there was also speculation the light display could have been a meteor, a satellite burning up or other space junk. An airport worker said an incoming pilot also witnessed the flash of light and reported seeing a re-entry, which is industry jargon for space junk returning to earth. He said the light was definitely not an aurora australis, which were frequent at this time of year. However, there were reports in other parts of southern Tasmania of southern lights, aurora australis. It looked to me like a shooting star - the biggest I've ever seen, he said. Scientists estimate more than 8000 pieces of space hardware, or space junk, are orbiting Earth. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group
Hello Adam and list, I also agree that the group should get more concise name. Calling them "Olivine Diogenites" is like calling a Howardite a "Diogenite Eucrite". It is a the best confusing. Mark Bostick www.MeteoriteArticles.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group
Hello Greg, Adam and All, I was talking with John Horner, the famous dinosaur digger of Montana once about the naming of dinosaurs. He felt that the name should represent something about the beast rather than the one who found it. An example is instead of T. rex, which seems to me not much of a T. after all. He proposed the name Cretaceous rex since it was from that time period. Or a better example might be his Mayasaur where the name means good mother lizard (he can't do much about the saur=lizard part right now, but he did make note that the dinosaur cared for its young. Therefore, I propose a new paradigm in naming meteorites, one where the name holds information other than that of the type specimen or human interaction. In this case the name I propose is Lowermantleite that indicates where it came from the parent body. Otherwise, since it was a couple of NWAs that pushed the olivine-dios over the edge into a respectable working group, then NWAite should be the next o bvious but boring and useless name. Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky update
Well, it may be possible to get your money back from Canada in a legal way, but from Russia...well, Im a bit skeptic. just my 2 cents, pekka Steve Schoner wrote: Though I hate to mention lawyers... But maybe there isa lawyer in our group that would consider puttingtogether a class action lawsuit against theseindividuals that scammed so many. Everyone that haspurchased this skillfully made "meteorwrong" sold as a"meteorite" should consider this. The judge in the case could then assess damages overthe actual loss of finances.Steve Schoner/AMS--- Ryan Darby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that Matteo means the financial losses madeby people areprivate. The scam itself is very public, and no onewould disagree. Suchforums as ours are the most effective way to do it,but not everyonewill want to make public that they were taken in. Onthe other hand, themore that is made public now, the more effective thewarning to otherscontemplating such a scam will be. -Original Message-From: Michael Farmer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2003 9:29 AMTo: M come Meteorite Meteorites;[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky updateActually Matteo, this is not a private affair, it isa very very publicaffair. The entire meteorite commun ity was scammed,they pulled it overoncollectors, dealers and even scientists, much timeand money has beenwasted. For your information, the woman has refusedto answer my emails,soI put it out publicly. They seem to be so nice onthe one side but whenitis time to ante up, they are nowhere to be found. Iassume that as ameteorite community, we need to stick together andwhen a scam like thisisfound out, we should certainly all try to make itpublic so that morepeopledo not get hurt.Mike FarmerOr am I wrong on this one? Please answer open toanyone.__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Do you Yahoo!?SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!http://sbc.yahoo.com__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material
Adam and Greg, Wonderful looking pictures on ebay. Do you have a picture available for us of the original mass? Howard WuAdam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List Members,Thank you for a fun auction tonight. A lot of buyers picked up some prettynice planetary specimens at bargain basement prices. I wish we could havethese kind of auctions more often but they are too costly for us.As most of you already know this weeks rare material is NWA 1877(provisional), a so-called "Olivine Diogenite". It is the most olivine-richyet found. NWA 1459 still holds the record for being the most Iron andChromite-rich. I believe NWA 1459 is also the freshest even though there issome staining to the olivine crystals. NWA 1877 has some of the biggestcrystals I have seen meaning preparation was a very serious undertaking.The problem with these giant crystals is that they have cleavage planesmeaning they are susceptible to breakage or worse yet plucking duringpreparation. We consulted a scientists and he told us to use an opticallycorrect penetrant which worked very well keeping this material togetherduring prep. Then all these pieces were diamond lapped to 3500. The endproduct is nice looking material that resists breakage and deterioration.We are starting these out at less than a tenth of what NWA 1459 trades for.We are doing this for the next week only. The reason for the much lowerprice is that we have more weight to work with, we were able to acquire it amuch lower price and we do not need to pay bonuses to our partners on thisspecimen. Even though this is the rarest class in private hands we felt alower introduction price would get this material into more collections thusgenerating more interest. It seems to have worked as three of the eighteenspecimens have already sold before I could finish this announcement.Here is a link to our eBay auctions:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritelab/Wishing everybody the best,Adam HupeIMCA 2185__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listWant to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
[meteorite-list] Gujba Ad
Good evening list, I just listed a beautiful 12 gram slice of Gujba on ebay starting at $1.00 with no reserve. The listing # is 218026 or listed under seller name maccers531. Great chance to pick up a great piece at a good price. Bob Evans __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material
Hi Howard and List, I believe we snapped a few pictures right after the first cut when we realized we were not dealing with an ordinary meteorite.Itwas not very exciting looking on the outside displaying only about 25% crust. Now that it has been cleaned the intact portion of crust is pretty interesting. I will take some images of the main mass and see if I can point out some areas of interest in a few days. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: Howard Wu To: Adam Hupe ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material Adam and Greg, Wonderful looking pictures on ebay. Do you have a picture available for us of the original mass? Howard WuAdam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List Members,Thank you for a fun auction tonight. A lot of buyers picked up some prettynice planetary specimens at bargain basement prices. I wish we could havethese kind of auctions more often but they are too costly for us.As most of you already know this weeks rare material is NWA 1877(provisional), a so-called "Olivine Diogenite". It is the most olivine-richyet found. NWA 1459 still holds the record for being the most Iron andChromite-rich. I believe NWA 1459 is also the freshest even though there issome staining to the olivine crystals. NWA 1877 has some of the biggestcrystals I have seen meaning preparation was a very serious undertaking.The problem with these giant crystals is that they have cleavage planesmeaning they are susceptible to breakage or worse yet plucking duringpreparation. We consulted a scientists and he told us to use an opticallycorrect penetrant which worked very well keeping this material togetherduring prep. Then all these pieces were diamond lapped to 3500. The endproduct is nice looking material that resists breakage and deterioration.We are starting these out at less than a tenth of what NWA 1459 trades for.We are doing this for the next week only. The reason for the much lowerprice is that we have more weight to work with, we were able to acquire it amuch lower price and we do not need to pay bonuses to our partners on thisspecimen. Even though this is the rarest class in private hands we felt alower introduction price would get this material into more collections thusgenerating more interest. It seems to have worked as three of the eighteenspecimens have already sold before I could finish this announcement.Here is a link to our eBay auctions:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritelab/Wishing everybody the best,Adam HupeIMCA 2185__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Want to chat instantly with your online friends?Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group
Hello, Mark, Adam and the list, it looks also to me, it may be a clearer way to name the new types honouring names or so. This is a tradition in minerology. The type can be diogenite - eucrite, but its called as Howardite, or olivine - diogenite as "Bostickite". Think its a good time to create a naming-tradition also for the types of meteorites now. New types have been found, and if you check the carbonaceus chondrites, the current tradition to give names for the babies is not good, CV, CK, CB dont tell much, and when well have 20 types of CC:s, it will be quite a mess, the letters will end...in these cases we have to remember, the tradition should stay the next several hundred years. I suppose, we could borrow the tradition from mineralogy, the type can be the composition of the meteorite, but it can be named in a more clearer way, its same thing with the asteroids, it sounds much nicer to talk about Vesta than A18062003. We dont call Alexandrite as beryllium-aluminium-oxide, and today it would sound funny to do so outside lab. But perhaps people had more imagination 100 years ago... just my 2 cents again, pekka MARK BOSTICK wrote: Hello Adam and list, I also agree that the group should get more concise name. Calling them "Olivine Diogenites" is like calling a Howardite a "Diogenite Eucrite". It is a the best confusing. Mark Bostick www.MeteoriteArticles.com -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Weekly Rare Material
Hello Adam and list, Adam wrote: " I will take some images of the main mass and see if I can point out some areas of interest in a few days." And perhaps some thin section photos? I am curious in how it looks compared to diogenites, as my diogenite thin sections look like they have lots of olivine in them. Mark PS: Any thin sections of it for sale?
