RE: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Devine Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 2:24 PM To: Tom aka James Knudson Cc: Ken O'Neill; Meteorite-List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL Tom, Ken, list, Just a short note to assure anyone who feels that they may have offended me somehow that such is simply not the case. This thing between Matteo and I, which had nothing to do with the "dealer-refund" thread, was over as far as I was concerned. When Matteo chose to complain to the list regarding me, I felt comfortable in setting the record straight. So,there is only one person to whom I might take offense, namely he who brought a private matter onto the list, but believe me, I am not sitting here stewing over it! From my perspective this private matter was unfortunate but of no great consequence in the grand scheme of things. Best wishes, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Devine Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 2:24 PM To: Tom aka James Knudson Cc: Ken O'Neill; Meteorite-List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL Tom, Ken, list, Just a short note to assure anyone who feels that they may have offended me somehow that such is simply not the case. This thing between Matteo and I, which had nothing to do with the "dealer-refund" thread, was over as far as I was concerned. When Matteo chose to complain to the list regarding me, I felt comfortable in setting the record straight. So,there is only one person to whom I might take offense, namely he who brought a private matter onto the list, but believe me, I am not sitting here stewing over it! From my perspective this private matter was unfortunate but of no great consequence in the grand scheme of things. Best wishes, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Devine Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 2:24 PM To: Tom aka James Knudson Cc: Ken O'Neill; Meteorite-List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL Tom, Ken, list, Just a short note to assure anyone who feels that they may have offended me somehow that such is simply not the case. This thing between Matteo and I, which had nothing to do with the "dealer-refund" thread, was over as far as I was concerned. When Matteo chose to complain to the list regarding me, I felt comfortable in setting the record straight. So,there is only one person to whom I might take offense, namely he who brought a private matter onto the list, but believe me, I am not sitting here stewing over it! From my perspective this private matter was unfortunate but of no great consequence in the grand scheme of things. Best wishes, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charlie Devine Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 2:24 PM To: Tom aka James Knudson Cc: Ken O'Neill; Meteorite-List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL Tom, Ken, list, Just a short note to assure anyone who feels that they may have offended me somehow that such is simply not the case. This thing between Matteo and I, which had nothing to do with the "dealer-refund" thread, was over as far as I was concerned. When Matteo chose to complain to the list regarding me, I felt comfortable in setting the record straight. So,there is only one person to whom I might take offense, namely he who brought a private matter onto the list, but believe me, I am not sitting here stewing over it! From my perspective this private matter was unfortunate but of no great consequence in the grand scheme of things. Best wishes, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds - Conclusion
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds - Conclusion Hello List, I suppose it is time to put an end to this thread. Let me do it by offering a little bit of a deeper explanation as to what happened. Before I started the thread, I reluctantly agreed to give my customer his refund, but I warned him that if he accepted a refund from me, under what I told him I thought was unreasonable circumstances, that I would no longer do any business with him in the future. Not that I like to cut off any customer's money or any upward pressure in future ebay biddings they might give, I felt that I did not want to do business with someone that I felt would change the rules in the middle of transactions in the future. However, I was completely comfortable in making the refund if he was comfortable in not being able to buy from me in the future. (I feel that many times I offer very good deals, even below current market values at times, and that missing out on them in the future, was punishment enough for him recouping a couple of dollars with this current deal.) After informing him of that (but before he could reply to me if he indeed wanted to take the money back in exchange for the specimen) I made the first post to the list. I did so after thinking about the situation and actually second guessing whether I had a right to think his request was unreasonable in the first place. Well, it seems that the response was about 25 people agreeing with me and 0 agreeing with my customer. Fortunately for me, my customer is a member of the list and he was able to read these posts. Not that my intention was to change his mind, or to embarrass him, I really wanted to keep the discussion of the facts on the list to the moral dilemma. However, the customer wrote me stating that he realized he was wrong (or at least I think that is what he said, I sometimes have a hard time understanding his broken English). [oops, did that give him away?] I have communicated with my customer, and we have reached an agreement in the ordeal where he is making his acquisition upon our previously agreed to circumstances. While I was content to give the refund, I am happy that the deal is going through as originally agreed upon. While this topic involved a Park Forest specimen, and partially was brought about by a fluctuation in perceived retail prices of Park Forest specimens, that really didn't have a bearing on the moral question involved. However I do want to toss in my opinion on the values and prices of Park Forest specimens. As Jim Strope (I think) mentioned, I too really think there is just a temporary dip in the prices on the Park Forest specimens. There are some events and dynamics at work that I sincerely believe will cause a spike in demand and thus a spike in the values of Park Forest Specimens the next couple of months, especially with the small individuals that I have found. There are quite a few different factors that may or may not effect the values in the near future, and we will have to see how it all plays out. But I do not agree with the opinion (stated as fact by some) that the values of Park Forest are continuing to drop. I agree that much of the established meteorite market have had their needs filled by now, and fewer of them are competing for remaining specimens for sale, but there is really very little left to be sold. I know quite a few dealers that have been sold out for some time. Yes, there are two big stones whose final destination is not yet determined. If these end up in institutions, or remain with their finders for a long time or in private hands and not end up being cut and distributed, there will be BIG shortage in a few months time. If they end up being cut and brought to the retail market, it will have an effect on the values of slices and to a lesser degree small whole stones. More small stones might be able to be found, but I have struck out the last 12 days in the strewnfield, so I am pessimistic too many more will be found. Besides, anyone who goes up there to hunt and finds one or two is not likely to want to sell them. Those will probably be held onto forever. Anything, from unusual research findings, to more nationwide or worldwide publicity, to new collectors joining the hobby (as they occasionally do) even over the short run will put extra demand on these unspoken for specimen that I don't think there is supply enough to fill at current prices. This gives me optimism that the prices could and probably will go up. Let's revisit this issue in 6 months or so from now and see what happens. Steve Arnold ** Subj: Dealer Refunds Date: 6/27/2003 9:59:40 PM Central Daylight Time From: MeteorHntr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List, I have an ethical questi
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds - Conclusion
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds - Conclusion Hello List, I suppose it is time to put an end to this thread. Let me do it by offering a little bit of a deeper explanation as to what happened. Before I started the thread, I reluctantly agreed to give my customer his refund, but I warned him that if he accepted a refund from me, under what I told him I thought was unreasonable circumstances, that I would no longer do any business with him in the future. Not that I like to cut off any customer's money or any upward pressure in future ebay biddings they might give, I felt that I did not want to do business with someone that I felt would change the rules in the middle of transactions in the future. However, I was completely comfortable in making the refund if he was comfortable in not being able to buy from me in the future. (I feel that many times I offer very good deals, even below current market values at times, and that missing out on them in the future, was punishment enough for him recouping a couple of dollars with this current deal.) After informing him of that (but before he could reply to me if he indeed wanted to take the money back in exchange for the specimen) I made the first post to the list. I did so after thinking about the situation and actually second guessing whether I had a right to think his request was unreasonable in the first place. Well, it seems that the response was about 25 people agreeing with me and 0 agreeing with my customer. Fortunately for me, my customer is a member of the list and he was able to read these posts. Not that my intention was to change his mind, or to embarrass him, I really wanted to keep the discussion of the facts on the list to the moral dilemma. However, the customer wrote me stating that he realized he was wrong (or at least I think that is what he said, I sometimes have a hard time understanding his broken English). [oops, did that give him away?] I have communicated with my customer, and we have reached an agreement in the ordeal where he is making his acquisition upon our previously agreed to circumstances. While I was content to give the refund, I am happy that the deal is going through as originally agreed upon. While this topic involved a Park Forest specimen, and partially was brought about by a fluctuation in perceived retail prices of Park Forest specimens, that really didn't have a bearing on the moral question involved. However I do want to toss in my opinion on the values and prices of Park Forest specimens. As Jim Strope (I think) mentioned, I too really think there is just a temporary dip in the prices on the Park Forest specimens. There are some events and dynamics at work that I sincerely believe will cause a spike in demand and thus a spike in the values of Park Forest Specimens the next couple of months, especially with the small individuals that I have found. There are quite a few different factors that may or may not effect the values in the near future, and we will have to see how it all plays out. But I do not agree with the opinion (stated as fact by some) that the values of Park Forest are continuing to drop. I agree that much of the established meteorite market have had their needs filled by now, and fewer of them are competing for remaining specimens for sale, but there is really very little left to be sold. I know quite a few dealers that have been sold out for some time. Yes, there are two big stones whose final destination is not yet determined. If these end up in institutions, or remain with their finders for a long time or in private hands and not end up being cut and distributed, there will be BIG shortage in a few months time. If they end up being cut and brought to the retail market, it will have an effect on the values of slices and to a lesser degree small whole stones. More small stones might be able to be found, but I have struck out the last 12 days in the strewnfield, so I am pessimistic too many more will be found. Besides, anyone who goes up there to hunt and finds one or two is not likely to want to sell them. Those will probably be held onto forever. Anything, from unusual research findings, to more nationwide or worldwide publicity, to new collectors joining the hobby (as they occasionally do) even over the short run will put extra demand on these unspoken for specimen that I don't think there is supply enough to fill at current prices. This gives me optimism that the prices could and probably will go up. Let's revisit this issue in 6 months or so from now and see what happens. Steve Arnold ** Subj: Dealer Refunds Date: 6/27/2003 9:59:40 PM Central Daylight Time From: MeteorHntr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List, I have an ethical questi
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds - Conclusion
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds - Conclusion Hello List, I suppose it is time to put an end to this thread. Let me do it by offering a little bit of a deeper explanation as to what happened. Before I started the thread, I reluctantly agreed to give my customer his refund, but I warned him that if he accepted a refund from me, under what I told him I thought was unreasonable circumstances, that I would no longer do any business with him in the future. Not that I like to cut off any customer's money or any upward pressure in future ebay biddings they might give, I felt that I did not want to do business with someone that I felt would change the rules in the middle of transactions in the future. However, I was completely comfortable in making the refund if he was comfortable in not being able to buy from me in the future. (I feel that many times I offer very good deals, even below current market values at times, and that missing out on them in the future, was punishment enough for him recouping a couple of dollars with this current deal.) After informing him of that (but before he could reply to me if he indeed wanted to take the money back in exchange for the specimen) I made the first post to the list. I did so after thinking about the situation and actually second guessing whether I had a right to think his request was unreasonable in the first place. Well, it seems that the response was about 25 people agreeing with me and 0 agreeing with my customer. Fortunately for me, my customer is a member of the list and he was able to read these posts. Not that my intention was to change his mind, or to embarrass him, I really wanted to keep the discussion of the facts on the list to the moral dilemma. However, the customer wrote me stating that he realized he was wrong (or at least I think that is what he said, I sometimes have a hard time understanding his broken English). [oops, did that give him away?] I have communicated with my customer, and we have reached an agreement in the ordeal where he is making his acquisition upon our previously agreed to circumstances. While I was content to give the refund, I am happy that the deal is going through as originally agreed upon. While this topic involved a Park Forest specimen, and partially was brought about by a fluctuation in perceived retail prices of Park Forest specimens, that really didn't have a bearing on the moral question involved. However I do want to toss in my opinion on the values and prices of Park Forest specimens. As Jim Strope (I think) mentioned, I too really think there is just a temporary dip in the prices on the Park Forest specimens. There are some events and dynamics at work that I sincerely believe will cause a spike in demand and thus a spike in the values of Park Forest Specimens the next couple of months, especially with the small individuals that I have found. There are quite a few different factors that may or may not effect the values in the near future, and we will have to see how it all plays out. But I do not agree with the opinion (stated as fact by some) that the values of Park Forest are continuing to drop. I agree that much of the established meteorite market have had their needs filled by now, and fewer of them are competing for remaining specimens for sale, but there is really very little left to be sold. I know quite a few dealers that have been sold out for some time. Yes, there are two big stones whose final destination is not yet determined. If these end up in institutions, or remain with their finders for a long time or in private hands and not end up being cut and distributed, there will be BIG shortage in a few months time. If they end up being cut and brought to the retail market, it will have an effect on the values of slices and to a lesser degree small whole stones. More small stones might be able to be found, but I have struck out the last 12 days in the strewnfield, so I am pessimistic too many more will be found. Besides, anyone who goes up there to hunt and finds one or two is not likely to want to sell them. Those will probably be held onto forever. Anything, from unusual research findings, to more nationwide or worldwide publicity, to new collectors joining the hobby (as they occasionally do) even over the short run will put extra demand on these unspoken for specimen that I don't think there is supply enough to fill at current prices. This gives me optimism that the prices could and probably will go up. Let's revisit this issue in 6 months or so from now and see what happens. Steve Arnold ** Subj: Dealer Refunds Date: 6/27/2003 9:59:40 PM Central Daylight Time From: MeteorHntr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List, I have an ethical questi
RE: [meteorite-list] Automatic Desiccator Cabinets
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Mason Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Automatic Desiccator Cabinets Dear Ryan, A suggestion you might consider. Don't spend the money on a cabinet. Use your existing display cabinet and place an Emitter in a non-ventilated housing. Depending on cubic foot area of your cabinet there is an Emitter to fit your need. Send for our catalog. Military approved NSN#6850-01-406-2060 and NSA#6850-01-408-9025, FDA, USDA approved Bill Mason Okay,...here's another question. How do emitters work?? Do they also lay down a film on glass surfaces in display cabinets? Also, I've heard that new auto rust-proofing includes a charge gizmo which electrifies the frame so that rusting doesn't start. How does that work?...and do folks on the list feel there might be application for some of our larger irons?? Joseph Honolulu -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 9:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Automatic Desiccator Cabinets Hello List, Does anyone have information on auto desiccator cabinets that would be suitable for storing meteorites in? Which brand, ect. would you recommend? I have been looking at the Secador 4.0 which seems to be a good cabinet for this purpose. Any information or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -Ryan __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] contact
Hey, What about the meteorite that hit that girls foot a while back? Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: almitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] contact > Hi John and all, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >>I wanted to add a couple more collector's trends to your list. Let's not forget > Bessey Specks,<< >>dog and cow killers, and all those meteorites sitting at the bottom > of the ocean.<< > > Also the horse killers like New Concord, Ohio. > > --AL > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] contact
Hi John and all, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>I wanted to add a couple more collector's trends to your list. Let's not forget Bessey Specks,<< >>dog and cow killers, and all those meteorites sitting at the bottom of the ocean.<< Also the horse killers like New Concord, Ohio. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New NWA pallasite
Hi Mike and List, Mike asked: "I would like to know if any other Pallasites have ever been found in NWA? This stone only weighed 53 grams and was 100% complete. ... This to my knowledge is the only Pallasite from North West Africa. Can anyone give me any more information?" I just scanned through Meteoritical Bulletins 84-87 + the preprint for 88, and suprisingly no NWA pallasites have been reported there. Of course, with all the reserved provisional numbers that have not appeared in the Bulletins, there could be a another pallasite waiting in the wings. But if so, I think we would have heard about it on the list. So congrats on uncovering the first! Given all the eucrites, diogenites, howardites, ureilites, R-chondrites, martians, lunars, acapulcoites and even a few irons and winonaites that can be found among the NWAs, it is frankly surprising that no pallasites have been uncovered until now. Indeed, are there any other groups that are not yet represented by an NWA? Don't recall seeing a lodranite, but there might have been one. And what of mesosiderites? I believe the Hupes announced at least one recently, but was that the first? --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NEW PALLASITE
Hello everyone. I have just been informed that a sample I sent in some time ago is in fact a new Pyroxene Pallasite. I would like to know if any other Pallasites have ever been found in NWA? This stone only weighed 53 grams and was 100% complete. This is a meteorite with 50% pyroxene, it is my understanding that the other pyroxene pallasites have ~5%, mine has 50%! This to my knowledge is the only Pallasite from North West Africa. Can anyone give me any more information? Mike Farmer http://www.meteoritehunter.com
Re: [meteorite-list] contact
Hi Steve from Arkansas who celebrates his birthday in Tuscon with New York Geoff not Cintron Notkin...who takes nice pictures of cat-like meteorites, It is simple, off the wall collecting just takes a little off the wall thinking. Some are better at it than others. I wanted to add a couple more collector's trends to your list. Let's not forget Bessey Specks, dog and cow killers, and all those meteorites sitting at the bottom of the ocean. Hey, there is a thought...the final meteorite hunter frontier. Thanx for the fun, John > Hello Steve Arnold (not from Arkansas) and list, > > Steve (not from Arkansas), you asked: > > "...is there ...someone who sells very off the wall meteorites? I mean > types that most people do not want to collect. The very, very hard ones to > get ahold of. It seems that we are only interested in the so-so rans that > only interest the list." > > Please help me out here. > > 1. What do you define as "very off the wall?" > > 2. What types do you think "most people do not want to collect?" Falls, > finds, chondrites, achondrites, irons, stoney-irons, pseudo-meteorites, high > TKW, > low TKW, individuals, slices, end pieces, fragments, micros, macros, dust, > crumbs, thin sections, rare, common, crusted, non-crusted, desert varnished, > from public collections, from private collections, ones with research papers > done > on them, ones not yet researched, found with metal dectetors, found with > magnet sticks, found fallen through houses or cars or ice, found above ground, > under ground, found in indian burial grounds, in craters, around craters, in > impact pits, bounced out of impact pits, found in water, on dry lake beds, or > sand > blowouts, historic ones, ones that bounced off a wall, etc.? > > 3. Are you meaning that "very very hard ones to get a hold of" are the same > as the "very off the wall" meteorites that "most people do not want to > collect"? > > I think that is what you were saying but I am not sure. > > 4. Is it your impression that these "very off the wall" meteorites that are > "very very hard to get ahold of" are precisely the ones that "we" "on the > list" are not interested in because "we" are only interested in the "so-so > rans?" > > > 5. What is a "so-so ran" anyway? > > Is a "so-so ran" the new type name for the olivine diogenites? > > Not that I really am so concerned with what you wrote, except that sometimes > people do confuse what YOU say as having come from me (I have no idea why???) > and I have found that it is always good to be able to explain what I didn't > say, when people ask. > > Thanks > Steve Arnold (from Arkansas) > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MER-B Delta Launch With Opportunity Postponed To July 2
June 29, 2003 George H. Diller Kennedy Space Center 321-867-2468 KSC Release No. 52-03 MER-B DELTA LAUNCH WITH OPPORTUNITY POSTPONED TO JULY 2 Upon inspecting the first stage of the Delta launch vehicle after the January 28 launch attempt, engineers found that the lower band of cork insulation that was removed and replaced has limited areas that have debonded from the surface of the vehicle. Sections of this band, approximately ten percent of the circumference, will be reinstalled. The band of cork insulation around the vehicle is approximately 2 feet wide and 1/4 inch thick. Based on the amount of time this work will require, launch has been rescheduled for Wednesday, July 2. There are two launch opportunities available: 11:17:37 p.m. and 11:59:54 p.m. EDT. Accredited media covering the launch should meet at the Gate 1 Pass and Identification Building of Cape Canaveral Air Force Station on Wednesday, July 2 at 10 p.m. NASA Television coverage will begin at 9 p.m. EDT. -- end -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Park Forest DVD
Hi List, Just to let you know I have been sorted out for the DVD. Many thanks to all who replied. Regards Ken O'Neill -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Ken O'NeillSent: 29 June 2003 22:23To: Meteorite-List (E-mail)Subject: [meteorite-list] Park Forest DVD Hi List, Does anyone know if there any of the PF DVD's still available ? Regards Ken O'Neill
Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL
Tom, Ken, list, Just a short note to assure anyone who feels that they may have offended me somehow that such is simply not the case. This thing between Matteo and I, which had nothing to do with the "dealer-refund" thread, was over as far as I was concerned. When Matteo chose to complain to the list regarding me, I felt comfortable in setting the record straight. So,there is only one person to whom I might take offense, namely he who brought a private matter onto the list, but believe me, I am not sitting here stewing over it! From my perspective this private matter was unfortunate but of no great consequence in the grand scheme of things. Best wishes, Charlie --- Begin Message --- Hello Charlie and list, Steve started a post called "dealers refunds". I do not think the buyer in Steve's post deserves a refund! Some how, some where, the thread got off topic and on to the subject with Matteo and an ebay deal of his. When I replied on this subject, I thought we were still on Steve's original thread. So Charlie, I want you to know that I has not talking about you in this thread at all. I am sorry if I offended you, I thought if I was offending anyone it was the guy asking Steve for a refund! : ) Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Charlie Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Tom aka James Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ken O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Meteorite-List (E-mail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; M come Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL > Hello everyone, > > On ebay I am shawomet, and I am the person whom Matteo is suggesting be > blackballed on ebay because I left him negative feedback. > I am very sorry that Matteo chose to air our differences on this list. > When he continued to lie to me, I told Matteo he was very lucky I was > keeping this between the 2 of us. Now he has decided to slam me in > public, so, to set the record straight, here is why Matteo is so upset > with me. > > It begins with the simple fact that Park Forest was a very special fall > in my opinion. My emphasis in collecting has always been more on the > history, and less on the science. So, Park Forest had it all in my > eyes. I knew I was reading about, on this list, a fall that would rank > as very historic. I resolved that I would try to acquire as many > samples of the various hammers or "house smashers" as I could. > It's 3 months later and I believe I did well in reaching my specific > goals. > > Then one day I saw this ebay auction just a few hours after Matteo > listed it: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2178091504 > > This listing gave the unmistakable impression that the seller was > offering a slice of the stone that hit the roof of the PF Firestation! > With a buy-now option of $55 for a 1g slice. I thought, "wow, what a > way to round out my PF hammer collection!". But I also thought "I > thought the PF town council had decided to sell this stone to a museum?" > I then did what I've never done before. Bid first ( or in this case > "buy-now" first ) and ask questions later. If this really were a piece > of the PF Firestation stone, the auction might end with a buy-now before > Matteo could answer my questions. So I ended the auction and > immediately wrote to Matteo. I told him I would send payment if he > could provide the evidence that this was indeed from the PF Firestation > hammer. His reply did not really address my question. He told me that > he got the slice from Michael Blood, who got it from the Hupes. He told > me he had a slice from this stone on his collection page. He did, and > it was captioned "Firestation stone". > > I decided to contact Michael Blood, but he was not around. I decided to > sleep on it. Lo and behold, when I awake I remember that Michael did > offer pieces of a stone that had fallen across the street from the > firestation. Matteo was mistaken. It must be a piece of this stone > that I had purchased. So I wrote to Matteo and told him he must be in > error, but being an honorable man, I would pay his ebay fees since I had > bid first and asked questions later. A small loss for me, no loss for > Matteo. > > Matteo's reply to my suggestion was that I could believe one of 2 > things. I could believe that Michael Blood was a liar, or I could > believe the slice came from the stone that penetrated the roof of the > firestation. Whatever Matteo's reason for putting it that way, I "fell > for it" and sent my payment. A perfect example of being told what I > really wanted to hear and believing it I guess. > > Several days went bye when I noticed a post from Michael to the list. > Seeing that he was around I contacted him and discovered my memory had > been correct. Michael never offered this hammer on his pre-post list > and Michael never told Matteo that
[meteorite-list] Park Forest DVD
Hi List, Does anyone know if there any of the PF DVD's still available ? Regards Ken O'Neill
[meteorite-list] NWA968
Hello People, I am looking for a small piece of nwa968. I got outbid twice for the one on ebay. If anybody has some they would like to part with.let me know : ) Thanks, Rex P.S. Just for the record I am to lazy to shop around. Check it outhttp://www.time.govhttp://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/default.aspx
[meteorite-list] MER-B 'Opportunity' Launch Postponed To No Earlier Than June 30
http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/ MER-B 'Opportunity' Launch Postponed To No Earlier Than June 30 Kennedy Space Center June 29, 2003 The launch of the "Opportunity" Mars Exploration Rover has been postponed to no earlier than Monday evening (June 30). The delay is due to problems with the cork insulation on the Delta rocket's first stage. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Off the wall meteorites???
Hello Dave and Steve (not from Arkansas), One of the Portales Valley specimens got stuck in a wall of a barn. Not exactly "off the wall" but close. And I think the guy who owns the barn wanted to keep the rock forever so he didn't sell it. So that falls into the required category of "The very, very hard ones to get ahold of." Steve Arnold Original Message Subj: [meteorite-list] Off the wall meteorites??? Date: 6/29/2003 3:21:19 PM Central Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet (Details) Greetings listees. How many other off-the-wall meteorites are there besides the one or two from Park Forest that smashed through roofs and bounced Off inside Walls or even the ones that bounced Off the outside Walls of houses??? Possibly a new collecting direction for someone??? ;) Dave __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Off the wall meteorites???
Hi Dave, Ha! Pretty good! Amelia Bedelia! -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: "Dave Schultz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Off the wall meteorites??? > Greetings listees. How many other off-the-wall > meteorites are there besides the one or two from Park > Forest that smashed through roofs and bounced Off > inside Walls or even the ones that bounced Off the > outside Walls of houses??? Possibly a new collecting > direction for someone??? ;) >Dave > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Off the wall meteorites???
Hello List, I think I have seen exactly the "off- the- wall" meteorites Steve is looking for! I have seen a complete set of the Teenage mutant ninja turtles carved out of Nantan meteorites! They fit Steve's criteria, off the wall and types that most people do not want to collect. Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Dave Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 1:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Off the wall meteorites??? > Greetings listees. How many other off-the-wall > meteorites are there besides the one or two from Park > Forest that smashed through roofs and bounced Off > inside Walls or even the ones that bounced Off the > outside Walls of houses??? Possibly a new collecting > direction for someone??? ;) >Dave > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Off the wall meteorites???
Greetings listees. How many other off-the-wall meteorites are there besides the one or two from Park Forest that smashed through roofs and bounced Off inside Walls or even the ones that bounced Off the outside Walls of houses??? Possibly a new collecting direction for someone??? ;) Dave __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds - Conclusion
Hello List, I suppose it is time to put an end to this thread. Let me do it by offering a little bit of a deeper explanation as to what happened. Before I started the thread, I reluctantly agreed to give my customer his refund, but I warned him that if he accepted a refund from me, under what I told him I thought was unreasonable circumstances, that I would no longer do any business with him in the future. Not that I like to cut off any customer's money or any upward pressure in future ebay biddings they might give, I felt that I did not want to do business with someone that I felt would change the rules in the middle of transactions in the future. However, I was completely comfortable in making the refund if he was comfortable in not being able to buy from me in the future. (I feel that many times I offer very good deals, even below current market values at times, and that missing out on them in the future, was punishment enough for him recouping a couple of dollars with this current deal.) After informing him of that (but before he could reply to me if he indeed wanted to take the money back in exchange for the specimen) I made the first post to the list. I did so after thinking about the situation and actually second guessing whether I had a right to think his request was unreasonable in the first place. Well, it seems that the response was about 25 people agreeing with me and 0 agreeing with my customer. Fortunately for me, my customer is a member of the list and he was able to read these posts. Not that my intention was to change his mind, or to embarrass him, I really wanted to keep the discussion of the facts on the list to the moral dilemma. However, the customer wrote me stating that he realized he was wrong (or at least I think that is what he said, I sometimes have a hard time understanding his broken English). [oops, did that give him away?] I have communicated with my customer, and we have reached an agreement in the ordeal where he is making his acquisition upon our previously agreed to circumstances. While I was content to give the refund, I am happy that the deal is going through as originally agreed upon. While this topic involved a Park Forest specimen, and partially was brought about by a fluctuation in perceived retail prices of Park Forest specimens, that really didn't have a bearing on the moral question involved. However I do want to toss in my opinion on the values and prices of Park Forest specimens. As Jim Strope (I think) mentioned, I too really think there is just a temporary dip in the prices on the Park Forest specimens. There are some events and dynamics at work that I sincerely believe will cause a spike in demand and thus a spike in the values of Park Forest Specimens the next couple of months, especially with the small individuals that I have found. There are quite a few different factors that may or may not effect the values in the near future, and we will have to see how it all plays out. But I do not agree with the opinion (stated as fact by some) that the values of Park Forest are continuing to drop. I agree that much of the established meteorite market have had their needs filled by now, and fewer of them are competing for remaining specimens for sale, but there is really very little left to be sold. I know quite a few dealers that have been sold out for some time. Yes, there are two big stones whose final destination is not yet determined. If these end up in institutions, or remain with their finders for a long time or in private hands and not end up being cut and distributed, there will be BIG shortage in a few months time. If they end up being cut and brought to the retail market, it will have an effect on the values of slices and to a lesser degree small whole stones. More small stones might be able to be found, but I have struck out the last 12 days in the strewnfield, so I am pessimistic too many more will be found. Besides, anyone who goes up there to hunt and finds one or two is not likely to want to sell them. Those will probably be held onto forever. Anything, from unusual research findings, to more nationwide or worldwide publicity, to new collectors joining the hobby (as they occasionally do) even over the short run will put extra demand on these unspoken for specimen that I don't think there is supply enough to fill at current prices. This gives me optimism that the prices could and probably will go up. Let's revisit this issue in 6 months or so from now and see what happens. Steve Arnold ** Subj: Dealer Refunds Date: 6/27/2003 9:59:40 PM Central Daylight Time From: MeteorHntr To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List, I have an ethical question I would like to get some feedback on. I just got a request from a customer that I give him a refund for a specimen he purchased a month or so ago from me that he wants to return now. His request was not based on the fact tha
Re: [meteorite-list] contact
Maybe so-so ran means : And I ran.I ran so far away.I just ran.I ran all night and day.I couldn't get away. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] contact Hello Steve Arnold (not from Arkansas) and list,Steve (not from Arkansas), you asked:"...is there ...someone who sells very off the wall meteorites? I meantypes that most people do not want to collect. The very, very hard ones toget ahold of. It seems that we are only interested in the so-so rans thatonly interest the list."Please help me out here. 1. What do you define as "very off the wall?"2. What types do you think "most people do not want to collect?" Falls, finds, chondrites, achondrites, irons, stoney-irons, pseudo-meteorites, high TKW, low TKW, individuals, slices, end pieces, fragments, micros, macros, dust, crumbs, thin sections, rare, common, crusted, non-crusted, desert varnished, from public collections, from private collections, ones with research papers done on them, ones not yet researched, found with metal dectetors, found with magnet sticks, found fallen through houses or cars or ice, found above ground, under ground, found in indian burial grounds, in craters, around craters, in impact pits, bounced out of impact pits, found in water, on dry lake beds, or sand blowouts, historic ones, ones that bounced off a wall, etc.?3. Are you meaning that "very very hard ones to get a hold of" are the same as the "very off the wall" meteorites that "most people do not want to collect"?I think that is what you were saying but I am not sure.4. Is it your impression that these "very off the wall" meteorites that are "very very hard to get ahold of" are precisely the ones that "we" "on the list" are not interested in because "we" are only interested in the "so-so rans?" 5. What is a "so-so ran" anyway? Is a "so-so ran" the new type name for the olivine diogenites?Not that I really am so concerned with what you wrote, except that sometimes people do confuse what YOU say as having come from me (I have no idea why???) and I have found that it is always good to be able to explain what I didn't say, when people ask.ThanksSteve Arnold (from Arkansas)
Re: [meteorite-list] contact
Steve- Check here: http://wsacp.vendio.com/my/acp/display.html?pu=1&f=metlistinquiry.jpg -- Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 7:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] contact > Good morning list.With all the vast knowledge of everything concerning > meteorites that is out there, I was wondering is there anyone who can put > me into contact with someone who sells very off the wall meteorites?I mean > types that most people do not want to collect.The very, very hard ones to > get ahold of.It seems that we are only interested in the so-so rans that > only interest the list.It would really help me if someone could me into > contact with someone who could really help me out.Just wondering!! Please > let me know. > > > steve arnold, chicago, usa!! > > = > Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 > I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 > Illinois Meteorites > website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] contact
Hi Steve, I will sell you something that is extremely rare, more rare than gold or diamonds. It is roughly 4.5 billion years old, the oldest thing you will ever touch, and only a few people on the planet have ever seen one much less actually own one. Personally, this thing has the ability to inspire children and adults to think more than only of themselves. Scientifically, this thing may hold the key to understanding how our solar system was formed and thus how other solar systems form and quite possibly how life got started here and perhaps on other worlds. It's called a "meteorite" and every one is worth keeping, preserving and studying. It's only what you do with it, that makes it "off-the-wall" or not. -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 10:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] contact > Good morning list.With all the vast knowledge of everything concerning > meteorites that is out there, I was wondering is there anyone who can put > me into contact with someone who sells very off the wall meteorites?I mean > types that most people do not want to collect.The very, very hard ones to > get ahold of.It seems that we are only interested in the so-so rans that > only interest the list.It would really help me if someone could me into > contact with someone who could really help me out.Just wondering!! Please > let me know. > > > steve arnold, chicago, usa!! > > = > Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 > I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 > Illinois Meteorites > website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds
Dear List: Way back in the 80s I bought a couple of meteorites from Robert Hagg. As a teenager I was just thrilled to be able to obtain a rock from space - regardless of price. Now in hindsight I should have spent all my summer earnings on those "early" offerings!! I got back into the meteorite acquisition scene in late 1999. Yep - mostly from Ebay. I remember bidding on a Campo - just under a kilo. I beat out 10 other bidders, so I know there was demand for it. I was thrilled and thought I had gotten a great deal. Today - I have chunk of iron that is much smaller then it was, having rusted significantly! The price of Campo is way down from what I paid in 1999. NEVER did I think of contacting the dealer and asking for a refund. The item was just as represented, and I learned a lot about irons from this piece. So my two grams worth is simply: things change. The price of ANYTHING will fluctuate over time. As a buyer, you need to decide when you can afford the item - and what the real value is to you. If the price is too much - move on. Once you buy - keep your integrity, complete the payment - and again, move on. Juris Breikss [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] No Problemo
Hi Ken and Tom, Nothing either of you did was in any way offensive. I just hit "Reply All" and you two were included, so, I addressed you, as well as Matteo and the list, at the beginning of my comments. Best wishes, Michael on 6/29/03 11:49 AM, Ken O'Neill at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi List, > > Tom wrote "Steve started a post called "dealers refunds". I do > not think the buyer in Steve's post deserves a refund! Some how, some > where, the thread got off topic and on to the subject with Matteo and an > ebay deal of his. When I replied on this subject, I thought we were still on > Steve's original thread." > > I'll echo this and would like to also add my intentions in posting were to > add to the debate on the topic of refunding. My apologies if any offence was > caused. > > Regards > > Ken O'Neill > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom aka > James Knudson > Sent: 29 June 2003 18:31 > To: Charlie Devine; Michael L Blood > Cc: Ken O'Neill; Meteorite-List (E-mail); M come Meteorite Meteorites > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL > > > Hello Charlie and list, Steve started a post called "dealers refunds". I do > not think the buyer in Steve's post deserves a refund! Some how, some > where, the thread got off topic and on to the subject with Matteo and an > ebay deal of his. When I replied on this subject, I thought we were still on > Steve's original thread. So Charlie, I want you to know that I has not > talking about you in this thread at all. I am sorry if I offended you, I > thought if I was offending anyone it was the guy asking Steve for a refund! > : ) > Thanks, Tom > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > - Original Message - > From: Charlie Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Tom aka James Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ken O'Neill > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Meteorite-List (E-mail) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; M come Meteorite Meteorites > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 3:44 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL > > >> Hello everyone, >> >> On ebay I am shawomet, and I am the person whom Matteo is suggesting be >> blackballed on ebay because I left him negative feedback. >> I am very sorry that Matteo chose to air our differences on this list. >> When he continued to lie to me, I told Matteo he was very lucky I was >> keeping this between the 2 of us. Now he has decided to slam me in >> public, so, to set the record straight, here is why Matteo is so upset >> with me. >> >> It begins with the simple fact that Park Forest was a very special fall >> in my opinion. My emphasis in collecting has always been more on the >> history, and less on the science. So, Park Forest had it all in my >> eyes. I knew I was reading about, on this list, a fall that would rank >> as very historic. I resolved that I would try to acquire as many >> samples of the various hammers or "house smashers" as I could. >> It's 3 months later and I believe I did well in reaching my specific >> goals. >> >> Then one day I saw this ebay auction just a few hours after Matteo >> listed it: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2178091504 >> >> This listing gave the unmistakable impression that the seller was >> offering a slice of the stone that hit the roof of the PF Firestation! >> With a buy-now option of $55 for a 1g slice. I thought, "wow, what a >> way to round out my PF hammer collection!". But I also thought "I >> thought the PF town council had decided to sell this stone to a museum?" >> I then did what I've never done before. Bid first ( or in this case >> "buy-now" first ) and ask questions later. If this really were a piece >> of the PF Firestation stone, the auction might end with a buy-now before >> Matteo could answer my questions. So I ended the auction and >> immediately wrote to Matteo. I told him I would send payment if he >> could provide the evidence that this was indeed from the PF Firestation >> hammer. His reply did not really address my question. He told me that >> he got the slice from Michael Blood, who got it from the Hupes. He told >> me he had a slice from this stone on his collection page. He did, and >> it was captioned "Firestation stone". >> >> I decided to contact Michael Blood, but he was not around. I decided to >> sleep on it. Lo and behold, when I awake I remember that Michael did >> offer pieces of a stone that had fallen across the street from the >> firestation. Matteo was mistaken. It must be a piece of this stone >> that I had purchased. So I wrote to Matteo and told him he must be in >> error, but being an honorable man, I would pay his ebay fees since I had >> bid first and asked questions later. A small loss for me, no loss for >> Matteo. >> >> Matteo's reply to my suggestion was that I could believe one of 2 >> things. I coul
Re: [meteorite-list] contact
Hello Steve Arnold (not from Arkansas) and list, Steve (not from Arkansas), you asked: "...is there ...someone who sells very off the wall meteorites? I mean types that most people do not want to collect. The very, very hard ones to get ahold of. It seems that we are only interested in the so-so rans that only interest the list." Please help me out here. 1. What do you define as "very off the wall?" 2. What types do you think "most people do not want to collect?" Falls, finds, chondrites, achondrites, irons, stoney-irons, pseudo-meteorites, high TKW, low TKW, individuals, slices, end pieces, fragments, micros, macros, dust, crumbs, thin sections, rare, common, crusted, non-crusted, desert varnished, from public collections, from private collections, ones with research papers done on them, ones not yet researched, found with metal dectetors, found with magnet sticks, found fallen through houses or cars or ice, found above ground, under ground, found in indian burial grounds, in craters, around craters, in impact pits, bounced out of impact pits, found in water, on dry lake beds, or sand blowouts, historic ones, ones that bounced off a wall, etc.? 3. Are you meaning that "very very hard ones to get a hold of" are the same as the "very off the wall" meteorites that "most people do not want to collect"? I think that is what you were saying but I am not sure. 4. Is it your impression that these "very off the wall" meteorites that are "very very hard to get ahold of" are precisely the ones that "we" "on the list" are not interested in because "we" are only interested in the "so-so rans?" 5. What is a "so-so ran" anyway? Is a "so-so ran" the new type name for the olivine diogenites? Not that I really am so concerned with what you wrote, except that sometimes people do confuse what YOU say as having come from me (I have no idea why???) and I have found that it is always good to be able to explain what I didn't say, when people ask. Thanks Steve Arnold (from Arkansas)
RE: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL
Hi List, Tom wrote "Steve started a post called "dealers refunds". I do not think the buyer in Steve's post deserves a refund! Some how, some where, the thread got off topic and on to the subject with Matteo and an ebay deal of his. When I replied on this subject, I thought we were still on Steve's original thread." I'll echo this and would like to also add my intentions in posting were to add to the debate on the topic of refunding. My apologies if any offence was caused. Regards Ken O'Neill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom aka James Knudson Sent: 29 June 2003 18:31 To: Charlie Devine; Michael L Blood Cc: Ken O'Neill; Meteorite-List (E-mail); M come Meteorite Meteorites Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL Hello Charlie and list, Steve started a post called "dealers refunds". I do not think the buyer in Steve's post deserves a refund! Some how, some where, the thread got off topic and on to the subject with Matteo and an ebay deal of his. When I replied on this subject, I thought we were still on Steve's original thread. So Charlie, I want you to know that I has not talking about you in this thread at all. I am sorry if I offended you, I thought if I was offending anyone it was the guy asking Steve for a refund! : ) Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Charlie Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Tom aka James Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ken O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Meteorite-List (E-mail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; M come Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL > Hello everyone, > > On ebay I am shawomet, and I am the person whom Matteo is suggesting be > blackballed on ebay because I left him negative feedback. > I am very sorry that Matteo chose to air our differences on this list. > When he continued to lie to me, I told Matteo he was very lucky I was > keeping this between the 2 of us. Now he has decided to slam me in > public, so, to set the record straight, here is why Matteo is so upset > with me. > > It begins with the simple fact that Park Forest was a very special fall > in my opinion. My emphasis in collecting has always been more on the > history, and less on the science. So, Park Forest had it all in my > eyes. I knew I was reading about, on this list, a fall that would rank > as very historic. I resolved that I would try to acquire as many > samples of the various hammers or "house smashers" as I could. > It's 3 months later and I believe I did well in reaching my specific > goals. > > Then one day I saw this ebay auction just a few hours after Matteo > listed it: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2178091504 > > This listing gave the unmistakable impression that the seller was > offering a slice of the stone that hit the roof of the PF Firestation! > With a buy-now option of $55 for a 1g slice. I thought, "wow, what a > way to round out my PF hammer collection!". But I also thought "I > thought the PF town council had decided to sell this stone to a museum?" > I then did what I've never done before. Bid first ( or in this case > "buy-now" first ) and ask questions later. If this really were a piece > of the PF Firestation stone, the auction might end with a buy-now before > Matteo could answer my questions. So I ended the auction and > immediately wrote to Matteo. I told him I would send payment if he > could provide the evidence that this was indeed from the PF Firestation > hammer. His reply did not really address my question. He told me that > he got the slice from Michael Blood, who got it from the Hupes. He told > me he had a slice from this stone on his collection page. He did, and > it was captioned "Firestation stone". > > I decided to contact Michael Blood, but he was not around. I decided to > sleep on it. Lo and behold, when I awake I remember that Michael did > offer pieces of a stone that had fallen across the street from the > firestation. Matteo was mistaken. It must be a piece of this stone > that I had purchased. So I wrote to Matteo and told him he must be in > error, but being an honorable man, I would pay his ebay fees since I had > bid first and asked questions later. A small loss for me, no loss for > Matteo. > > Matteo's reply to my suggestion was that I could believe one of 2 > things. I could believe that Michael Blood was a liar, or I could > believe the slice came from the stone that penetrated the roof of the > firestation. Whatever Matteo's reason for putting it that way, I "fell > for it" and sent my payment. A perfect example of being told what I > really wanted to hear and believing it I guess. > > Several days went bye when I noticed a post from Michael to the list. > Seeing that he was around I contacted him and discovered my me
Re: [meteorite-list] contact
STEVE, everyone who sells meteorites is listed on the meteorite central and meteorite exchange sites. You should contact EACH ONE, instead of asking us all these questions every day. You are making yourself appear very lazy, not wanting to do the work looking for what you want, instead just spamming the list. Please take peoples advice and do it. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 7:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] contact > Good morning list.With all the vast knowledge of everything concerning > meteorites that is out there, I was wondering is there anyone who can put > me into contact with someone who sells very off the wall meteorites?I mean > types that most people do not want to collect.The very, very hard ones to > get ahold of.It seems that we are only interested in the so-so rans that > only interest the list.It would really help me if someone could me into > contact with someone who could really help me out.Just wondering!! Please > let me know. > > > steve arnold, chicago, usa!! > > = > Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 > I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 > Illinois Meteorites > website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Another Tagish Lake Ebay plug
Ladies and Gents, I am putting another crumb of Tagish on eBay - have a pop at it if you like! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2181732482 very best dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL
Hello Charlie and list, Steve started a post called "dealers refunds". I do not think the buyer in Steve's post deserves a refund! Some how, some where, the thread got off topic and on to the subject with Matteo and an ebay deal of his. When I replied on this subject, I thought we were still on Steve's original thread. So Charlie, I want you to know that I has not talking about you in this thread at all. I am sorry if I offended you, I thought if I was offending anyone it was the guy asking Steve for a refund! : ) Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Charlie Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Tom aka James Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Ken O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Meteorite-List (E-mail) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; M come Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL > Hello everyone, > > On ebay I am shawomet, and I am the person whom Matteo is suggesting be > blackballed on ebay because I left him negative feedback. > I am very sorry that Matteo chose to air our differences on this list. > When he continued to lie to me, I told Matteo he was very lucky I was > keeping this between the 2 of us. Now he has decided to slam me in > public, so, to set the record straight, here is why Matteo is so upset > with me. > > It begins with the simple fact that Park Forest was a very special fall > in my opinion. My emphasis in collecting has always been more on the > history, and less on the science. So, Park Forest had it all in my > eyes. I knew I was reading about, on this list, a fall that would rank > as very historic. I resolved that I would try to acquire as many > samples of the various hammers or "house smashers" as I could. > It's 3 months later and I believe I did well in reaching my specific > goals. > > Then one day I saw this ebay auction just a few hours after Matteo > listed it: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2178091504 > > This listing gave the unmistakable impression that the seller was > offering a slice of the stone that hit the roof of the PF Firestation! > With a buy-now option of $55 for a 1g slice. I thought, "wow, what a > way to round out my PF hammer collection!". But I also thought "I > thought the PF town council had decided to sell this stone to a museum?" > I then did what I've never done before. Bid first ( or in this case > "buy-now" first ) and ask questions later. If this really were a piece > of the PF Firestation stone, the auction might end with a buy-now before > Matteo could answer my questions. So I ended the auction and > immediately wrote to Matteo. I told him I would send payment if he > could provide the evidence that this was indeed from the PF Firestation > hammer. His reply did not really address my question. He told me that > he got the slice from Michael Blood, who got it from the Hupes. He told > me he had a slice from this stone on his collection page. He did, and > it was captioned "Firestation stone". > > I decided to contact Michael Blood, but he was not around. I decided to > sleep on it. Lo and behold, when I awake I remember that Michael did > offer pieces of a stone that had fallen across the street from the > firestation. Matteo was mistaken. It must be a piece of this stone > that I had purchased. So I wrote to Matteo and told him he must be in > error, but being an honorable man, I would pay his ebay fees since I had > bid first and asked questions later. A small loss for me, no loss for > Matteo. > > Matteo's reply to my suggestion was that I could believe one of 2 > things. I could believe that Michael Blood was a liar, or I could > believe the slice came from the stone that penetrated the roof of the > firestation. Whatever Matteo's reason for putting it that way, I "fell > for it" and sent my payment. A perfect example of being told what I > really wanted to hear and believing it I guess. > > Several days went bye when I noticed a post from Michael to the list. > Seeing that he was around I contacted him and discovered my memory had > been correct. Michael never offered this hammer on his pre-post list > and Michael never told Matteo that the pieces Matteo bought from him > came from the Firestation impactor. Michael also fwd me a copy of his > old PF pre-post. I fwd this pre-post to Matteo and presented it as > evidence that the specimen I purchased, and which was now enroute to me, > was not what Matteo claimed it was. Matteo's reply was that perhaps the > description "fell across the steet" from the firestation had been lost > in his emails with Michael. Matteo did not offer, as I expected he > would, and as I would have immediately done myself, a refund or other > form of adjustment that would make up for his misrepresentation of this > auction listing. > > When the item arrived, I left negative feedback. > That feedb
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > No one forced this individual to make the purchase. > I have found that > meteorites can have a large flux in pricing--which > (has been mentioned) seems to be > dictated year in and year out. Steve...it's my > opinion that a refund is not > due, and would possibly be setting a dangerous > precedent in meteorite sales. > > My two grams worth. > > Steven L. Sachs / IMCA# 9210 Yeah, Like those lawyer commercials. "If you have suffered significant losses in the stock market... (another says mesothelioma )... call the law offices of James L. Sokolove" We don't need that kind of precedent. Steve Schoner/ams > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] contact
Good morning list.With all the vast knowledge of everything concerning meteorites that is out there, I was wondering is there anyone who can put me into contact with someone who sells very off the wall meteorites?I mean types that most people do not want to collect.The very, very hard ones to get ahold of.It seems that we are only interested in the so-so rans that only interest the list.It would really help me if someone could me into contact with someone who could really help me out.Just wondering!! Please let me know. steve arnold, chicago, usa!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL
Hello all If the email where I have write " no send the payment " is not arrive is not a my fault, I have sent this and I feel myself calm and with the soul in peace, until already I had replaced on ebay the piece buy and I removed it again just when I received the payment. I think of not to have ever teased no on Ebay and the positive list of my feedback gives of it fit, except for a small easily eliminable spot. Regards Matteo --- Charlie Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > On ebay I am shawomet, and I am the person whom > Matteo is suggesting be > blackballed on ebay because I left him negative > feedback. > I am very sorry that Matteo chose to air our > differences on this list. > When he continued to lie to me, I told Matteo he was > very lucky I was > keeping this between the 2 of us. Now he has > decided to slam me in > public, so, to set the record straight, here is why > Matteo is so upset > with me. > > It begins with the simple fact that Park Forest was > a very special fall > in my opinion. My emphasis in collecting has always > been more on the > history, and less on the science. So, Park Forest > had it all in my > eyes. I knew I was reading about, on this list, a > fall that would rank > as very historic. I resolved that I would try to > acquire as many > samples of the various hammers or "house smashers" > as I could. > It's 3 months later and I believe I did well in > reaching my specific > goals. > > Then one day I saw this ebay auction just a few > hours after Matteo > listed it: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2178091504 > > This listing gave the unmistakable impression that > the seller was > offering a slice of the stone that hit the roof of > the PF Firestation! > With a buy-now option of $55 for a 1g slice. I > thought, "wow, what a > way to round out my PF hammer collection!". But I > also thought "I > thought the PF town council had decided to sell this > stone to a museum?" > I then did what I've never done before. Bid first ( > or in this case > "buy-now" first ) and ask questions later. If this > really were a piece > of the PF Firestation stone, the auction might end > with a buy-now before > Matteo could answer my questions. So I ended the > auction and > immediately wrote to Matteo. I told him I would > send payment if he > could provide the evidence that this was indeed from > the PF Firestation > hammer. His reply did not really address my > question. He told me that > he got the slice from Michael Blood, who got it from > the Hupes. He told > me he had a slice from this stone on his collection > page. He did, and > it was captioned "Firestation stone". > > I decided to contact Michael Blood, but he was not > around. I decided to > sleep on it. Lo and behold, when I awake I remember > that Michael did > offer pieces of a stone that had fallen across the > street from the > firestation. Matteo was mistaken. It must be a > piece of this stone > that I had purchased. So I wrote to Matteo and told > him he must be in > error, but being an honorable man, I would pay his > ebay fees since I had > bid first and asked questions later. A small loss > for me, no loss for > Matteo. > > Matteo's reply to my suggestion was that I could > believe one of 2 > things. I could believe that Michael Blood was a > liar, or I could > believe the slice came from the stone that > penetrated the roof of the > firestation. Whatever Matteo's reason for putting > it that way, I "fell > for it" and sent my payment. A perfect example of > being told what I > really wanted to hear and believing it I guess. > > Several days went bye when I noticed a post from > Michael to the list. > Seeing that he was around I contacted him and > discovered my memory had > been correct. Michael never offered this hammer on > his pre-post list > and Michael never told Matteo that the pieces Matteo > bought from him > came from the Firestation impactor. Michael also > fwd me a copy of his > old PF pre-post. I fwd this pre-post to Matteo and > presented it as > evidence that the specimen I purchased, and which > was now enroute to me, > was not what Matteo claimed it was. Matteo's reply > was that perhaps the > description "fell across the steet" from the > firestation had been lost > in his emails with Michael. Matteo did not offer, > as I expected he > would, and as I would have immediately done myself, > a refund or other > form of adjustment that would make up for his > misrepresentation of this > auction listing. > > When the item arrived, I left negative feedback. > That feedback simply stated the truth of the matter. > I did not demand a > refund that I felt the seller should have offered me > of his own free > will. I wrote it off as a gamble on my part, a > gamble I had lost. > > After I had posted the feedback, Matteo contacted me > and reminded me > that he had told me if I did not believe the piece > was from the stone > that
[meteorite-list] NWA998 and Steve Schoner's Polarizer
Thanks for the Compliments on my current NWA 998 Auction package, Mark. http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/catchafallingstar.com/ I must admit that I have never been a big thin section collector, although I do have a few to compliment some of my specimens. But when I sold a thin section of NWA 998 to Steve Schoner he sent me one of his polarizers as a gift. Now, this invention of Steve's is really cool and makes viewing thin sections effortless. So, maybe Steve's polarizer will help create a lot of thin section collectors. I know it sure has changed my opinion of thin section collecting. Hurry up and get these into production, Steve!!! Jim Strope421 Fourth StreetGlen Dale, WV 26038 Catch a Falling Star Meteoriteshttp://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK To: Meteorite List Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Stropes NWA998 and Dealer Refund Comment Hello List, Thought I would follow Steve Schoner's lead and share photos of my NWA998 thin section that I got from Jim Strope as well. Jim's currant auction is a great value and had I not already had the thin section I would seriously consider bidding. NWA998 through Schoner's Polarview and my microscope http://www.meteoritearticles.com/files/NWA998ts.JPG NWA998 using only Schoner's Polarview http://www.meteoritearticles.com/files/NWA998polarview.JPG Note: Photos were taken through my camera (Nikon 990) but not touched up. The photo using only the Polarview was the first time I had tried to use it by itself and was surprized how great it turned out. I don't have any good light inside my house so I took it outdoors and was holding it up funny trying to get the camera under it. This attracted the attention of some of the neighborhood kids. They ran across ot my porch and asked, "What are you taking a photo of?" (I buy the neighborhood kids ice cream from time to time if they agree to leave the rocks outside my door alone...so they always look to see what I am up to). "A Mars rock." I calmly answered. "Really" One of them replied. "No Way!" declared another. Kids being kids, one shoved one of the others and was quickly insulted. "Your a Mars rocks!" "No you are!" Then they ran offperhaps to bother another neighbor in hopes of getting free ice cream. Anyway, my point in this story is that the kids saw the Mars rock as not believable. Something made up. Unreal or at the best surreal. Much like out currant "Dealer Refund" string. So to the person asking for a refund from Steve Arnold. You my friend, are a Mars rock. PS, here is a link to Jim's auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2180703252&category=3239 Mark Bostick www.MeteoriteArticles.comPlease visit, www.MeteoriteArticles.com, a free on-line archive of meteor and meteorite articles.
RE: [meteorite-list] Automatic Desiccator Cabinets
Dear Ryan, A suggestion you might consider. Don't spend the money on a cabinet. Use your existing display cabinet and place an Emitter in a non-ventilated housing. Depending on cubic foot area of your cabinet there is an Emitter to fit your need. Send for our catalog. Military approved NSN#6850-01-406-2060 and NSA#6850-01-408-9025, FDA, USDA approved Bill Mason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 9:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Automatic Desiccator Cabinets Hello List, Does anyone have information on auto desiccator cabinets that would be suitable for storing meteorites in? Which brand, ect. would you recommend? I have been looking at the Secador 4.0 which seems to be a good cabinet for this purpose. Any information or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -Ryan __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds: IDENTITY and DOUBLE GAUL
Hello everyone, On ebay I am shawomet, and I am the person whom Matteo is suggesting be blackballed on ebay because I left him negative feedback. I am very sorry that Matteo chose to air our differences on this list. When he continued to lie to me, I told Matteo he was very lucky I was keeping this between the 2 of us. Now he has decided to slam me in public, so, to set the record straight, here is why Matteo is so upset with me. It begins with the simple fact that Park Forest was a very special fall in my opinion. My emphasis in collecting has always been more on the history, and less on the science. So, Park Forest had it all in my eyes. I knew I was reading about, on this list, a fall that would rank as very historic. I resolved that I would try to acquire as many samples of the various hammers or "house smashers" as I could. It's 3 months later and I believe I did well in reaching my specific goals. Then one day I saw this ebay auction just a few hours after Matteo listed it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2178091504 This listing gave the unmistakable impression that the seller was offering a slice of the stone that hit the roof of the PF Firestation! With a buy-now option of $55 for a 1g slice. I thought, "wow, what a way to round out my PF hammer collection!". But I also thought "I thought the PF town council had decided to sell this stone to a museum?" I then did what I've never done before. Bid first ( or in this case "buy-now" first ) and ask questions later. If this really were a piece of the PF Firestation stone, the auction might end with a buy-now before Matteo could answer my questions. So I ended the auction and immediately wrote to Matteo. I told him I would send payment if he could provide the evidence that this was indeed from the PF Firestation hammer. His reply did not really address my question. He told me that he got the slice from Michael Blood, who got it from the Hupes. He told me he had a slice from this stone on his collection page. He did, and it was captioned "Firestation stone". I decided to contact Michael Blood, but he was not around. I decided to sleep on it. Lo and behold, when I awake I remember that Michael did offer pieces of a stone that had fallen across the street from the firestation. Matteo was mistaken. It must be a piece of this stone that I had purchased. So I wrote to Matteo and told him he must be in error, but being an honorable man, I would pay his ebay fees since I had bid first and asked questions later. A small loss for me, no loss for Matteo. Matteo's reply to my suggestion was that I could believe one of 2 things. I could believe that Michael Blood was a liar, or I could believe the slice came from the stone that penetrated the roof of the firestation. Whatever Matteo's reason for putting it that way, I "fell for it" and sent my payment. A perfect example of being told what I really wanted to hear and believing it I guess. Several days went bye when I noticed a post from Michael to the list. Seeing that he was around I contacted him and discovered my memory had been correct. Michael never offered this hammer on his pre-post list and Michael never told Matteo that the pieces Matteo bought from him came from the Firestation impactor. Michael also fwd me a copy of his old PF pre-post. I fwd this pre-post to Matteo and presented it as evidence that the specimen I purchased, and which was now enroute to me, was not what Matteo claimed it was. Matteo's reply was that perhaps the description "fell across the steet" from the firestation had been lost in his emails with Michael. Matteo did not offer, as I expected he would, and as I would have immediately done myself, a refund or other form of adjustment that would make up for his misrepresentation of this auction listing. When the item arrived, I left negative feedback. That feedback simply stated the truth of the matter. I did not demand a refund that I felt the seller should have offered me of his own free will. I wrote it off as a gamble on my part, a gamble I had lost. After I had posted the feedback, Matteo contacted me and reminded me that he had told me if I did not believe the piece was from the stone that hit the firestation, I did not have to send payment. He has repeated this claim on this list. Matteo, as I told you yesterday, I do not like being lied to. I told you that I have saved all your emails. And I state catagorically: at no time did you tell me not to send payment. Rather, you told me that if it were not from the stone that hit the station, then Blood was a liar. Since I don't believe that Michael is a liar, and it didn't dawn on me that you might be misleading me, you got paid and I own a pretty expensive slice of "ordinary" PF. In closing, I want to state, that I left Matteo negative feedback because I felt I was lied to. While the feedback was strongly worded, I'm not all bent out of shape about what happened. I accept resp
[meteorite-list] Largest Single R Chondrite?
Mark inquired: > Does anyone know what the largest > single R-chondrite (desert) stone known is? That might be Northwest Africa 851, an R4 that was found in 2001 as a single stone - total 695 gr; 1 piece. Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds
At 10:59 PM 6/27/2003 -0400, you wrote: I just got a request from a customer that I give him a refund for a specimen he purchased a month or so ago from me that he wants to return now. His request was not based on the fact that the specimen was damaged or otherwise in a different condition than described when it was sold to him. The request he felt was justified because he thinks the specimen is now not worth as much as he paid for it bach then. He seems to think he can get the same thing for a lower price elsewhere. So I assume he wants the refund to go buy the other cheaper specimen to replace the one he wants to give back to me. While I do guarantee authenticity and that the specimens are as described on all my specimens I sell, I do not have a Walmart style lowest price guarantee, that the person cannot find a similar specimen somewhere else in the present or in the future for a lower price. If someone bought something and didn't like it for whatever reason and wanted to return it promptly for a refund, that would be one thing but this is another. I find this refund request unreasonable and bordering on unethical. A similar but opposite request would be if I would contact buyers a month after I sold them a specimen and demanded that they let me buy back a specimen I sold them a month earlier because new information tells me that I sold it to them too cheap and that if I had it back at the price I sold it, I could turn around and sell it to someone for an even higher price. That request would be absurd. As I recall, there is just one dealer that offers a written lifetime guarantee to buy back any specimens at the customers purchase prices. However, one would expect that having a stated guarantee such as that would help such a dealer to generate more than enough extra sales to cover the losses when a meteorite genuinely drops in value and a few people decide to take that dealer up on his offer. But without offering that incentive to make all the extra sales along the way, a dealer could go bankrupt giving refunds on demand for price fluctuation reasons. I guess my question is, how would some of the other dealers respond to such a request? Has anyone had such a request nade if them? And for collectors out there, do you feel making such a request (and expecting it to be fulfilled) is reasonable? Would a direct purchase be different from an ebay purchase? I suggest refunding this purchase. "The customer is always right." Of course, there is no need for you to sell to this person again :-}. Problem buyers are surely a minority. I also suggest that all meteorite vendors clearly state any guarantees (or lack thereof) in a prominent place in catalogs and web sites. This incident raises a more fundamental issue. What kind of a guarantee should a seller (or trader) offer for a meteorite specimen? Certainly a guarantee of authenticity -- that is reasonable and typical for collectible items. Many meteorite vendors offer a lifetime guarantee of authenticity, and explicitly state this in their sales sites and/or catalogs. A smaller number of meteorite vendors offer 15 or 30 day unconditional money-back guarantees. Most explicitly state such guarantees. A 30-day unconditional guarantee seems to be common enough for other types of collectible items, including other geology-related items (e.g., fossils). Should meteorite vendors adopt such guarantees as standard business practice? What effect would this have on prices and values of meteorites? Would smaller-scale vendors be helped or hurt? Would collectors feel safer about making purchases from vendors offering such a guarantee? How would this affect acquisition by museums and research facilities? How would this affect trades between institutions and meteorite vendors or collectors? As for prices, meteorites are not the only collectible items subject to volatile market forces. Even items with a fixed available quantity (e.g., stamps) can fluctuate dramatically in value within a few years. A buyer of meteorites (or any other collectible) should be prepared to accept that fact of life. If you aren't, don't collect meteorites. -- Philip R. "Pib" Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pibburns.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: dealer refunds
Blimey! What chutzpah!! Of course he can't have his money back! dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
