Re: [meteorite-list] Matteo's Challenge Answered(was India #2)
I think I understand the challenge Matteo has put forward. Ok Here is something I have sat quiet on giving him the benefit of the doubt. I bought a "speck" of DAG 400 from you perhaps 4-5 years ago when it was rare. You told me it was about 2mm x 1mm x 1mm. I sent you $100 dollars. The particle I got from you wasn't even 1 mm on any axis. So by conseravite accounts you short changed me 1/2-2/3s of the size I agreed to buy. Now I am always forced to wonder if I actually bought DAG 400 or a piece of beach sand...I only had your reputation to stand behind it's true idenity. Sincerely, Elton Jones --- John Gwilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Most have kept quiet because they know it's good form to keep one's mouth shut most of the time. continue your banal rhetoric. You certainly don't want more testimonials to make their way to this List, do you? Your silence would be greatly appreciated, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: Ah yes. ... who have been these persons, I am actual curious to know, but I see that here it is threatened but not speaks. Pertain the meteorites, big little, gained from you always I paid immediately, see also on ebay, while with a certain meteorite you pretended of not understand that I wanted to buy it when had given it ok that was on hold for me, and after few minutes had been sold. I repeat, to all the persons that I have sold meteorites any of this has complained, therefore I do not know where you dream you these persons that did not do questionable business with me, while to the opposite one I should say it with who did questionable business, and it seems to have me also written. Pertain my silence, if I want I am quiet, not you of secure you make myself be quiet. Matteo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen? ONE MORE TIME ....
Elton and list, Elton wrote; "What punishment are you advocating?" I don't want anyone punished, I just would like to see the IMCA members use a little honesty in there descriptions so they do not make us all look bad. : ) I have noticed, NONE of the big dealers are tricking people into looking at their stuff. Mike Farmer uses the word "large" and puts the weight in there too! He sells a lot of meteorites, proving to me, that you do not need to trick people to sell meteorites. And this thing turned into an IMCA discussion, it did not start out that way!!! Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier <>< The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: E.J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tom aka James Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: metlist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen? ONE MORE TIME > Hey Folks! Where do we conduct IMCA related business? ..The IMCA > mailing list of course!! > > (I am suggesting to the BOD (board of directors) at IMCA, that they > adopt a policy that ALL IMCA business be restricted to the IMCA list > unless specifically authorized otherwise. This Witch Hunt is out of > control Ag!H!) > > Tom aka James Knudson wrote: > > > > > Lets say someone new goes on ebay and sees a 2000g Campo described as > > "HUGE" He gets it and is thrilled with this Huge Campo. > > <-NOTE: he is thrilled you said so yourself > > He gets the "BUG" and goes back to Ebay to look around. This time he > finds a 94lb Campo, but his campo was huge? So what is a buyer to think? > DON"T TRUST THEM DISHONEST IMCA MEMBERS, that whole bunch are full of > #&%$(# ! ) Now what, buy from none IMCA members, OK, and it turns > out to be slag! Oh well, this meteorite collecting thing sucks! You can > not trust anyone! > > I see you are impassioned about this but, has anyone come to you and > lodged a specific complaint? Or is this a debate about the number of > angels who can dance on the head of a pin? What punishment are you > advocating? Stoning them with their own auction? lol Tom you are old > enough to know that to men size is relative and subject to inflation in > their imaginations!! I don't see the "beef"! > > > Thanks, Tom > > wondering if I should be the proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > > Well Frankly, I have always wondered how you got that title. I didn't > get the notice of competition! Not that I care who claims it, but how > can you attack other's freedom of expression and use the self proclaimed > title of "proudest member"? Do you see my point? Seems you are saying > that it is wrong only if it isn't your wording. (Yeah I know I sound > harsh but Don't wager it if you aren't willing to lose it and not whine.) > > All kidding aside now. > > ONE MORE TIME: IMCA Business on IMCA net!!! Why is that such a hard > concept to follow? Post to your hearts content overthere. > > IMCA has a procedure for approaching the sellers of questionable auctions. > IMCA has a procedure of taking up complaints against members who are > accused of violating the IMCA policies and the BOD will investigate and > decide who is in violation not the member. > > That said, What do you want the meteorite central list members to do for > you? > > Elton and Oldie BE > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen? ONE MORE TIME ....
...Hey Folks! Where do we conduct IMCA related business? ..The IMCA mailing list of course!! (I am suggesting to the BOD (board of directors) at IMCA, that they adopt a policy that ALL IMCA business be restricted to the IMCA list unless specifically authorized otherwise. This Witch Hunt is out of control Ag!H!) Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Lets say someone new goes on ebay and sees a 2000g Campo described as "HUGE" He gets it and is thrilled with this Huge Campo. <-NOTE: he is thrilled you said so yourself He gets the "BUG" and goes back to Ebay to look around. This time he finds a 94lb Campo, but his campo was huge? So what is a buyer to think? DON"T TRUST THEM DISHONEST IMCA MEMBERS, that whole bunch are full of #&%$(# ! ) Now what, buy from none IMCA members, OK, and it turns out to be slag! Oh well, this meteorite collecting thing sucks! You can not trust anyone! I see you are impassioned about this but, has anyone come to you and lodged a specific complaint? Or is this a debate about the number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin? What punishment are you advocating? Stoning them with their own auction? lol Tom you are old enough to know that to men size is relative and subject to inflation in their imaginations!! I don't see the "beef"! Thanks, Tom wondering if I should be the proudest member of the IMCA 6168 Well Frankly, I have always wondered how you got that title. I didn't get the notice of competition! Not that I care who claims it, but how can you attack other's freedom of expression and use the self proclaimed title of "proudest member"? Do you see my point? Seems you are saying that it is wrong only if it isn't your wording. (Yeah I know I sound harsh but Don't wager it if you aren't willing to lose it and not whine.) All kidding aside now. ONE MORE TIME: IMCA Business on IMCA net!!! Why is that such a hard concept to follow? Post to your hearts content overthere. IMCA has a procedure for approaching the sellers of questionable auctions. IMCA has a procedure of taking up complaints against members who are accused of violating the IMCA policies and the BOD will investigate and decide who is in violation not the member. That said, What do you want the meteorite central list members to do for you? Elton and Oldie BE __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dude, I lost your email
Someone out ther sent me an email about the LL3 sale asking for a smaller piece. I accidently nuked the email. The 5.4 gram is still available for $54 shipped and the surface to weight is good. -- Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India, new message
Good morning all. I want to clarify a couple of things, we all seem to forget that while meteorites are important, people are far more inportant. The poor people here have no luck, the rains and floods come every year, thousands die, then every few years cyclones wipe the entire area clean, only to start the cycle again. there is nowhere else for the people to go, they have to live here. I must say that the people here are the NICEST I have ever met anywhere in the world, the children are so inquisitive, we played some games yesterday while waiting in a village. I am not driven by my hunt for meteorites, I already have given away basically everything i brought except the clothes I still need to get home. there are about 20 people wearing $20 to $50 shirts, which cost more than they make in a year! I always do this, I take clothes, and toys and give them away. I had no room for toys unfortunately, but the children here live the lives they should, playing, swimming, and fishing all day. India is indeed the worts poverty and the most beautiful place I have ever seen. I will indeed be coming back, making India a high priority on my trips to see the world, it will take many trips to even get a glimpse of this large country. I cant explain what I have seen, the sights and smells, all mixed into a large collage of colors, rich and poor, dirty and pristine, all mixed together. The landscape of flloded fields, rice paddies, palm trees, towering thunderstorms, and monkeys playing in the road is like nothing i have ever seen. If you want to know this place, you must come here, photos and stories tell nothing, you must experiance it. While I might get frustrated at the roads, it is fascinating, so alien to me to see what I have seen. I thought Burkina Faso was wild, it has NOTHING on India. I highly suggest anyone with the time and means come here, you wil lnever forget it. So as far as the meteorite goes, to me this trip was a perfect success, financially it is a disaster, so when Iget home, I must hold another sale to help pay the bills which will come in the mail, regardless of whether I get any meteorite or not. You should all thank whatever god you believe in or just fate that you were fortunate enough to have what you have, these people have nothing, and the floods take even that away. then the government comes and takes their meteorite as well with no compensation whatsoever. Please note, I cannot check my comcast mail from here, for whatever reason, so if you are trying to contact me that way, please use this address, sorry I cant email all of you privately, too many emails, and internet is so hard to use here it isnt even funny. Matteo, I can now see that you are very anti-american. That is your business, but I hope anyone from the USA on this list see's that and would never deal with you again. You are nothing but a lier and a theif (Dont think that I have forgotton the pieces of Fredericksburg that you bought from me 2 years ago and never paid for)! I have written them off, they were small and I dont have the time to even try and get them or the money from you, I would never have mentioned this, but you have dug yourself so deep a hole that you will never climb out. And by the way, tell that other Italian guy who stole the Esquel piece the same way, to pay me the $100 he owes me (YEAH RIGHT). It seems that Italians are theives, not the Americans as you like to say. Look at yourself in a mirror Matteo, you need to come to terms with what you are. I hope to send another meteorite report tonight. Thanks to everyone Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] mike farmer
Second what Steve and Marcie wrote: Mike is in the trenches. Go Mike! CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcia Swanson Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 12:47 PM To: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] mike farmer Dear Steve and List, I think your letter was very well put, and just about says, what alot of us feel. When I joined this list, I was made aware of the fact, that we are a diversified (multiplicity,variety ) group of individuals, with the common ground, being our individual interests in Meteorites. Whatever facet you fall under, you are part of the whole. That's what makes this list so great. Then there's the fact, that basic human nature dictates, not everyone, is going to agree, or feel the same on different controversies. Shouldn't have to, and it's IMPOSSIBLE to think that anyone is totally right or wrong. Too many "grey areas" in this field, but individual input, helps put things into perspective. Another great thing about this List. Personally I, as an individual, greatly admire and respect , and can openly admit, envy, Mike Farmers abiities and wherewithal, to do what he is trying to do in India, against all odds. Plus am very grateful, that he is sharing this adventure and insight, with all of us, as it happens. Real passion, dedication and grit !!! Obviously, I am not a business person. But there are many on-list that are. They make it possible also, in their way, to make available merchandise ( meteorites) to buy. A different, but important, sort of contribution,( because, not everyone can, or wants to be, a Michael Farmer). I'm sure there are some that applaud Matteo's Business coup'e in possibly aquiring a piece of India's latest meteorite, without having to go there and get his hands dirty. Bottom line, no matter where you fit in the spectrum.you fit ! It's all about Meteorites. Look at the bright side Michael and Matteo.It could be worse..thankfully, the likelihood of your future sons and daughters, ever meeting, falling in Love and getting married, making you in-laws, will never be an issue. You have much to be Thankful for. Past: Romeo + Juliet , not that far past : Hatfield's and McCoy's, future: Farmer's and Chinellato's. Perish the thought!! Thank your Lucky Stars, for the Atlantic Ocean ! Best to All, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ebay Solution re: Policeman etc.
> The question is: > how do you get a newbie to go to it? And would the pages translate from the > meteorwrong page back to the Ebay page? It may be very confusing to the person > just introduced to this science. Here is another way: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2196304590 Best, Ken Newton IMCA #9632 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Good evening list, > > Been a while since I threw in my 2 grams worth on a subject. Tom, and others, > you bring up a good points with regards to size of meteorites and cost > relation, etc. It seems to me that meteorite auctions are a bit trickier to post > than say, Wedgewood china, Waterford crystal, etc. Again you are still at the > mercy of the seller, in that fake china pieces abound, but for the most part, the > seller sometimes will have closeups of Mfgr / markings, artist signatures, > etc. We in the meteorite community don't have that benefit. > > I for one would like to see a dealer, if the desire moves them, to offer a > modestly priced meteorite "Sampler Box" to newbies jsut looking into getting > this hobby. I don't mean 10 or 25 samples, but maybe 3, i.e. an iron, an ordinary > chondrite, and possibly a piece of inexpensive pallasite. Along with the > samples would obviously be information about meteorites, and meteorwrongs for > that matter. Keeping the price low, and advertising it as "Starter" kit would > allow persons who don't have any idea what to look for, or any knowledge about > meteorites, a new beginning. I still have a few of Ninninger's starter kits and > have been surprised (considering all of the Ebay consternation) no-one has > tried to duplicate Ninninger's sample/ starter kit. > > If the cost factor is a problem, just offer one sample. At least a newbie, > unwisely putting a bid on an obvious piece of slag, (and possibly a large bid) > won't get burned. If the newbie chooses to ignore an offering of an educational > "Sampler Box" and opts for the "big one"...well that's their choice. As is > said in the Indiana Jones movie: "He chose unwisely". > > As it is now, some bidders don't know about IMCA, or possibly don't care. The > "Meteorwrong" pages that some members offer are EXCELLENT. The question is: > how do you get a newbie to go to it? And would the pages translate from the > meteorwrong page back to the Ebay page? It may be very confusing to the person > just introduced to this science. > > Anywho. Feedback??? > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Orissa India--- Of Floods,meteorites and Man-and Turtles too
Hi Mike Farmer, Atul Kumar and List, First of all, many thanks to M.F. for his very interesting emails on India and his "adventures" in meteorite-chasing there. I am pleased to know that he has a fragment already and that, probably against all odds, burocracy, etc, he has managed to examine and photograph the pieces in the hands of the local authorities, well done!! His very brief description of that part of India - a beautiful country, I think, - brought me memories (excluding the car traffic parts), of Kipling's "KIM" that I read many years ago! He also mentioned the houses without electricity: Could it be that, in the process of the meteorite having hit a thatched house, the reported fire might have be caused by some oil lamp being knocked down by the impact? On another subject: Atul mentions the word "Arribida" as being Spanish: This word (the correct spelling is "arribada" or "arriba") exists in both the Portuguese and Spanish languages and most probably it is rather of Portuguese origin as Portugal's occupation and influence on some areas of India lasted almost 500 years (untill 1961 to me more exact); in fact, to this day, there is still large Indian comunities of Portuguese extraction in Goa, Damão and Diu, who speak excellent Portuguese and have Port. surnames. Yes, "arribada" means "arrival" - in fact, in the 15th Century Portuguese language, it was (and still is) a NAUTICAL term, meaning "to enter a sailing ship in a harbour other than it's destiny, as a means to avoid/escape a sea storm". During the golden age of the Port. sea-discoveries, expansion and trade, many Port. words were adopted/used (often in a corrupted way) by people from several other countries in Asia and elsewhere. For instance, during the height of the Port. commercial trade in Asia during the 16th Century, Port. traders carried in their ships a specially made box where they put the coin money in; So, whenever they wanted payment to be made in coins rather than in other objects, they insisted in a payment to "pôr em CAIXA" (to put in the BOX) - and to this day, the Port. word CAIXA became CASH (and therefore, caixeiro = cashiers), used worldwide through the English language. So much about meteorites, India and arribada! That's explains the "diversity" of cultures and meteorite people that makes this List (whenever there is no ugly arguments), so interesting. Keep up the good work and good luck, Mike, and please keep that meteorite fragment plus that CASH of yours in a safe place! Cheers! José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: Atul Kumar To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Orissa India--- Of Floods,meteorites and Man-and Turtles too Dear All- and Mike Farmer While poor people of the area have just had their thached (straw) roofs blow off their Mud houses ,and their mud houses are turning into more mud,and people are dying and even more will die from the diseases to come,we get to hear about the carnage ,and learn about their misery sitting at our computers. Into this mayhem that is India arrives one Foreigner(as they are called) in 2 cars/jeeps with a purpose.He wants the rocks that fell from the sky. Mike travels exactly half way around the world for meteorites,and ends up with a flood,starvation,and disease.Not to mention he is among people who have never seen a refrigerator- and would not know what to do with it even if they did see one. They have never known electricity- unless they travel to town. Maybe he can do something to help the poor people there,even if they dont have METEORITES TO BARTER FOR FOOD. COWS- They are a part of the household- almost a member of the family- like a pet dog is- sort of- They wander during the day looking for foliage,and in the evening come back home - to be milked.The reason they are on the road in Mikes way is because they are lost- or decide they dont want to sit in the flooded area today.They are trying to stay dry, or maybe their way home is blocked by water. Milk is the major source of protien and fat for most of India.The milk extracted is usually gone fast -They dont need refrigerators- there are more mouths in the household than the cow can fill. ROADS Mikes description of the road travel left out this- As the only decent part of the road is the middle every vehicle travels in the middle of the road.There is nothing dividing oncoming traffic from your vehicle. When you see a vehicle coming- you have to make a quick decision whether you want to get off the road or if you want to get him off the road or if you want to see if he wants to play the who,s going to get off last game. The larger (read TATA) usually wins the middle ground. I must tell you about the TATA tramplers - (These are 7 ton trucks loaded
Re: [meteorite-list] Pictures of the THE BEST WRONGS
Wow.what are details behing the "iron wrong"? I must admit, that unless there's something obviously wrong (e.g., weight) when viewing it in person, I would probably have bought it. Craig
[meteorite-list] Pictures of the THE BEST WRONGS
Hello List, I just added some pictures of (THE BEST WRONGS) The Best Meteorwrongs on the Planet - http://www.meteorman.org/Bestwrongs_index.htm Best, Tim Heitz Midwest Meteorman - http://www.meteorman.org Home of the Meteorite Pusher
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ebay Solution re: Policeman etc.
Good question and a good suggestion. One of the problems with ebay is they do not allow links to any pages that also have sale pages on the same site. They want exclusive market. You can link from your "me" page though, but that doesn't help the newbie as most don't have a clue about how to get around ebay well. Linking to your auctions from your website is ok, it brings in money to ebay. What we could do is see about a meteorite chat board on ebay. They do help the new and unknowing with problems. I'll write them and see. Mark - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 4:23 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Ebay Solution re: Policeman etc. > Good evening list, > > Been a while since I threw in my 2 grams worth on a subject. Tom, and others, > you bring up a good points with regards to size of meteorites and cost > relation, etc. It seems to me that meteorite auctions are a bit trickier to post > than say, Wedgewood china, Waterford crystal, etc. Again you are still at the > mercy of the seller, in that fake china pieces abound, but for the most part, the > seller sometimes will have closeups of Mfgr / markings, artist signatures, > etc. We in the meteorite community don't have that benefit. > > I for one would like to see a dealer, if the desire moves them, to offer a > modestly priced meteorite "Sampler Box" to newbies jsut looking into getting > this hobby. I don't mean 10 or 25 samples, but maybe 3, i.e. an iron, an ordinary > chondrite, and possibly a piece of inexpensive pallasite. Along with the > samples would obviously be information about meteorites, and meteorwrongs for > that matter. Keeping the price low, and advertising it as "Starter" kit would > allow persons who don't have any idea what to look for, or any knowledge about > meteorites, a new beginning. I still have a few of Ninninger's starter kits and > have been surprised (considering all of the Ebay consternation) no-one has > tried to duplicate Ninninger's sample/ starter kit. > > If the cost factor is a problem, just offer one sample. At least a newbie, > unwisely putting a bid on an obvious piece of slag, (and possibly a large bid) > won't get burned. If the newbie chooses to ignore an offering of an educational > "Sampler Box" and opts for the "big one"...well that's their choice. As is > said in the Indiana Jones movie: "He chose unwisely". > > As it is now, some bidders don't know about IMCA, or possibly don't care. The > "Meteorwrong" pages that some members offer are EXCELLENT. The question is: > how do you get a newbie to go to it? And would the pages translate from the > meteorwrong page back to the Ebay page? It may be very confusing to the person > just introduced to this science. > > Anywho. Feedback??? > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ebay Solution re: Policeman etc.
I am really surprised that a sampler kit of meteorite meteorwrongs isn't around. I have a fair amount of wrongs and they are superb learning tools for the novice collector. Slag by any other name, Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good evening list, Been a while since I threw in my 2 grams worth on a subject. Tom, and others, you bring up a good points with regards to size of meteorites and cost relation, etc. It seems to me that meteorite auctions are a bit trickier to post than say, Wedgewood china, Waterford crystal, etc. Again you are still at the mercy of the seller, in that fake china pieces abound, but for the most part, the seller sometimes will have closeups of Mfgr / markings, artist signatures, etc. We in the meteorite community don't have that benefit. I for one would like to see a dealer, if the desire moves them, to offer a modestly priced meteorite "Sampler Box" to newbies jsut looking into getting this hobby. I don't mean 10 or 25 samples, but maybe 3, i.e. an iron, an ordinary chondrite, and possibly a piece of inexpensive pallasite. Along with the samples would obviously be information about meteorites, and meteorwrongs for that matter. Keeping the price low, and advertising it as "Starter" kit would allow persons who don't have any idea what to look for, or any knowledge about meteorites, a new beginning. I still have a few of Ninninger's starter kits and have been surprised (considering all of the Ebay consternation) no-one has tried to duplicate Ninninger's sample/ starter kit. If the cost factor is a problem, just offer one sample. At least a newbie, unwisely putting a bid on an obvious piece of slag, (and possibly a large bid) won't get burned. If the newbie chooses to ignore an offering of an educational "Sampler Box" and opts for the "big one"...well that's their choice. As is said in the Indiana Jones movie: "He chose unwisely". As it is now, some bidders don't know about IMCA, or possibly don't care. The "Meteorwrong" pages that some members offer are EXCELLENT. The question is: how do you get a newbie to go to it? And would the pages translate from the meteorwrong page back to the Ebay page? It may be very confusing to the person just introduced to this science. Anywho. Feedback??? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Possible Ebay Solution re: Policeman etc.
Good evening list, Been a while since I threw in my 2 grams worth on a subject. Tom, and others, you bring up a good points with regards to size of meteorites and cost relation, etc. It seems to me that meteorite auctions are a bit trickier to post than say, Wedgewood china, Waterford crystal, etc. Again you are still at the mercy of the seller, in that fake china pieces abound, but for the most part, the seller sometimes will have closeups of Mfgr / markings, artist signatures, etc. We in the meteorite community don't have that benefit. I for one would like to see a dealer, if the desire moves them, to offer a modestly priced meteorite "Sampler Box" to newbies jsut looking into getting this hobby. I don't mean 10 or 25 samples, but maybe 3, i.e. an iron, an ordinary chondrite, and possibly a piece of inexpensive pallasite. Along with the samples would obviously be information about meteorites, and meteorwrongs for that matter. Keeping the price low, and advertising it as "Starter" kit would allow persons who don't have any idea what to look for, or any knowledge about meteorites, a new beginning. I still have a few of Ninninger's starter kits and have been surprised (considering all of the Ebay consternation) no-one has tried to duplicate Ninninger's sample/ starter kit. If the cost factor is a problem, just offer one sample. At least a newbie, unwisely putting a bid on an obvious piece of slag, (and possibly a large bid) won't get burned. If the newbie chooses to ignore an offering of an educational "Sampler Box" and opts for the "big one"...well that's their choice. As is said in the Indiana Jones movie: "He chose unwisely". As it is now, some bidders don't know about IMCA, or possibly don't care. The "Meteorwrong" pages that some members offer are EXCELLENT. The question is: how do you get a newbie to go to it? And would the pages translate from the meteorwrong page back to the Ebay page? It may be very confusing to the person just introduced to this science. Anywho. Feedback??? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] the missing money
Seems it is BASH matteo day.Well my experince with him was this.2 years ago he bought some meteorites from me for $180.00.Why he sent me cash I'll never know.Especially if the ITALIAN postal system is so corrupt.He like john gwilliam said,sent me only $20.00.He still owed me $160.00.I said what is this.He knew how much it was.And I said, is this way foreign people do business?I was pretty pissed.So I emailed him 10 times before another $160.00 came 2 months later.CASH again to my surprise!!I said never again.Then when park forest came around,I sent him a 2 gram piece for trade.He sent a nwa to me.It took 6 weeks to get here, all the while the PF piece got lost.YEAH RIGHT!!!From now on I avoid the TWILIGHT ZONE. STEVE ARNOLD SAFELY SNUG AS A BUG INBETWEEN 5 GREAT LAKES AND A BIG OLD OCEAN. = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
At 01:39 PM 10/10/03 -0700, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: --- John Gwilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Matteo, > I know there are several List members who have had > to deal with your > unorthodox and questionable business ethics, > including myself. Most have > kept quiet because they know it's good form to keep > one's mouth shut most > of the time. However, when you provoke responses > from the likes of good > characters like Dave Freeman and Dave Andrews, > you're starting to step on > more than just people's toes. > > Brothers Andrews and Freeman have expressed their > opinions concerning you > incessant whining and complaining, and there will be > more to follow if you > continue your banal rhetoric. You certainly don't > want more testimonials to > make their way to this List, do you? > > Your silence would be greatly appreciated, Ah yes. ... who have been these persons, I am actual curious to know, but I see that here it is threatened but not speaks. Pertain the meteorites, big little, gained from you always I paid immediately, see also on ebay, while with a certain meteorite you pretended of not understand that I wanted to buy it when had given it ok that was on hold for me, and after few minutes had been sold. I repeat, to all the persons that I have sold meteorites any of this has complained, therefore I do not know where you dream you these persons that did not do questionable business with me, while to the opposite one I should say it with who did questionable business, and it seems to have me also written. Pertain my silence, if I want I am quiet, not you of secure you make myself be quiet. Matteo Matteo, Since you decided to respond to my last post via the List, I'll elaborate on a few things. First of all, any of the folks that I referred to having personal knowledge of your "unorthodox and questionable business ethics" can speak for themselves if they so choose. Since my communications with them was private, I'll not post any of our conversations without their permission or approval. Before you began using Paypal, you won one of my meteorites on Ebay. You emailed me and said you'd be sending me cash in the mail. When you letter arrived, it contained several U.S. twenty dollar bills. The problem was that your payment was short twenty dollars. When I contacted you by email and told you about the shortage, your first claimed I was trying to cheat you. My reply to you was simple - your payment was short twenty dollars and the meteorite wouldn't be sent to you until the problem was corrected. Your next email blamed the problem on the corrupt Italian mail system. I actually got quite a laugh out of the idea that a crooked Italian postal clerk would steal just one twenty dollar bill out of six. To be fair, I will say that you did send the missing twenty dollars and your meteorite was sent to you. During a conversation with another dealer, I mentioned the "missing" twenty dollars. He commented that this was a standard practice with you. Checking with a few more folks in the meteorite community, I got similar responses. The other incident you refer to in you post is incorrect. It did not involve a meteorite on Ebay, but was the most recent sale I posted to the List. The sale, as always, said "first come, first served" or something similar to those words. Nowhere did I mention that I would accept trades. I received an email from you requesting me to put a specimen on hold for you and would I be interested in doing a trade. I replied "no" and you next email to me asked If I would accept delayed payment from you - somewhere in the time frame of two weeks to a month, I don't remember exactly. During the time between your emails, someone else contacted me and said they wanted the specimen and would send payment as soon as I sent them a total. The way I see it, Matteo, you missed out on getting the specimen in question because you were too busy trying to negotiate a trade (which I didn't want) and/or a delay of payment(which I didn't agree to). During the rest of the day, I received SIX emails from you where you ranted and raved about injustice...blah, blah, blah. Same old, same old. Now if anyone else chooses to share with the List any of their experiences with you, that's their business. I'd think most of them would want to avoid your tirades of verbal diarrhea so they'll probably shy away. Like David Weir, you emails have been filtered out of my system for a long time now, but you still make you way onto my screen because your emails are piggybacked on the messages of other List members. Regards and Regrets to the List, John Gwilliam = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EM
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October's harvest (and the month is not over yet): dipshit - crap - nitwit - idiot - rip off - piss off - spam stupidity - idiocy - money-hungry dealer - coward - ass - ... (only an excerpt - any meteorites out there ? ;-) I do love this m e t e o r i t e list, C'mon gimme some more. Just back from a Greek restaurant and what do I see ... I definitely must have missed an important, an import ... ant, an imp ... thread :-) Bernd P.S1.: No, do not respond, neither on nor off-list - it's spilt milk because I love and cherish meteorites! They don't cheat, they don't slender people's reputation all over the place, they don't hurt one's feelings or attitudes, but, if a big one hits, ... no more sorrows, no more backstabbing, no more "it was you who started the "bagarre" (Anne, you are there for the translation?!). P.S.2: I was already pressing the "send mail" button when something "meteoritic" came in: "An unusual double Leonid meteor shower is going to peak next month over parts of Asia and North America." Sir, would you please stop spamming my mail-box with meteorite-related or meteor-related stuff! Please, do so! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The 2003 Leonid Meteor Shower
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/10oct_doubleleonids.htm The 2003 Leonid Meteor Shower NASA Science News October 10, 2003 An unusual double Leonid meteor shower is going to peak next onth over parts of Asia and North America. The Leonid meteor shower is coming. Twice. Bill Cooke of the Space Environments Group at the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center explains: "Normally there's just one Leonid meteor shower each year, but this year we're going to have two: one on Nov. 13th and another on Nov. 19th." Both are caused by comet Tempel-Tuttle, which swings through the inner solar system every 33 years. With each visit the comet leaves behind a trail of dusty debris--the stuff of meteor showers. Lots of the comet's old dusty trails litter the mid-November part of Earth's orbit. "Our planet glides through the debris zone every year," says Cooke. "It's like a minefield. Sometimes we hit a dust trail, sometimes we don't." Direct hits can spark a meteor storm, which is defined as more than 1000 shooting stars per hour. "That's what happened in, for example, 1966 and 2001," says Cooke. "Those were great years for Leonids." "This year we're going to brush past two of the trails--no direct hits," he says. Even so, "we might have a nice display." The first shower is expected on Nov. 13th around 17:17 UT. For about three hours centered on that time Earth will be close to some dust shed by Tempel-Tuttle in the year 1499. Sky watchers in Alaska, Hawaii and along the Pacific rim of Asia are favored. They'll see anywhere from a few to 40 meteors per hour--"if they can avoid the glare from that night's gibbous Moon," cautions Cooke. A good strategy for moonlit meteor observing: travel to high altitudes where the air is clear or stand in the shade of a tall building or hillside. Leonid meteor rates for selected cities: Nov. 13-14, 2003 City Local Time Maximum number of Leonids in 15 min. Los Angeles, CA5:15 a.m. (Nov. < 3 13th) Seattle, WA5:45 a.m. (Nov. 3 13th) Fairbanks, AK 7:00 a.m. (Nov. 10 13th) Honolulu, HI 5:30 a.m. (Nov. 9 13th) Tahiti 5:00 a.m. (Nov. 6 13th) Tokyo, Japan 2:30 a.m. (Nov.18 14th) Christchurch, New 3:30 a.m. (Nov. Zealand 14th) 1 Sydney, Australia 3:30 a.m. (Nov.9 14th) Hong Kong 2:00 a.m. (Nov.8 14th) Beijing, China 1:45 a.m. (Nov.10 14th) Manila, the1:45 a.m. (Nov. Philippines 14th) 9 Table notes: Values listed in the 3rd column are the maximum number of meteors an observer with perfectly clear dark skies might see in a 15-min. interval. Curiously the Moon will be much closer to the 1499 trail than Earth will be. "If the Moon had an atmosphere to catch the comet dust, there would be about 1400 meteors per hour in lunar skies--a real storm," notes Cooke. Instead, the Leonids will simply hit the ground. Most Leonid meteoroids are microscopic, and when they hit the Moon they do little more than raise a puff of moon dust. But a few will be bigger: the size of golf balls or grapefruits. Traveling about 160,000 mph, these impactors can cause explosions visible from Earth. (For more information about this, read the [EMAIL PROTECTED] story Explosions on the Moon.) "This year we won't be able to see any lunar impacts," notes Cooke, "because most of the Leonids will strike the far side of the Moon. Some will hit the Earth-facing side, but the ground where they hit will be sunlit. That makes it very hard to see the explosions." The second and more impressive shower arrives almost a week later on Nov. 19th when Earth approaches a trail shed in 1533. "Sky watchers up and down the US east coast will have the best view," says Cooke. "For a while around 07:28 UT (2:28 a.m. EST), they could see more than one meteor per minute." The Moon, a thin crescent on Nov. 19th, won't be bright enough to interfere with the display. (Nor will it be close to the cometary dust stream, so once again there will be no visible lunar explosions.) Leonid meteor rates for selected cities: Nov. 19, 2003 City Local Time Maximum number of Leonids in 15 min. New York, NY 2:30 a.m. (Nov.
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
Matteo: This is my last email I write on thisargument, Does this mean you are leaving the list.again? Gregory
Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Report from the scene
Hi Steve and List, I also find field reports such as this to be interesting reading. Just think, we get to read about these trips as they happen and our kids can read about them from later books and periodical articles. In fact, I hope Mike and others who recover meteorites publish their reports in book form one day. -Walter --www.branchmeteorites.comWalter Branch, Ph.D.Branch MeteoritesPO Box 60492Savannah, GA 31420 - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner To: Michael Farmer ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Report from the scene Michael, With the exception of the initial Matteo rant, which kind of turned me off, the India trip report I find very interesting. Keep this up; these on site field reports. That is where you shine. Steve Schoner/ams Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi everyone, internet here is little better than smokesignals, it has taken me almost 2 hours to go through50 emails, so slow, and Matteo's crying like a 2 yearold baby. Matteo, shut the hell up, PLEASE, if I seeanother email about "Other people is make prices ruin"I will have to beat the hell out of you when I see you(Just kidding, but only a little).OKI am in the strewnfield. I have a small piece of the meteorite. IT is an Hchondrite and similar to Zag, veining andslickensides. There is EXTREME flooding here, all parts are underwater, there is NO HOPE of recovering more materialunless it is simply in a village and not known aboutyet. the strewnfield is some miles long, travelingbetween two villages that the local assured me wereonly 5 km apart by air took over 2 hours by road (ifyou can call it that). India is beautiful and horribleat the same time. The road is covered with untoldthousands of people, dogs, cows, goats, etc, NONE ofwhich move or are even slightly annoyed by theincessant use of the horn, we actually ran over a dogsfoot yesterday, he would not move until the car ranright over him. I felt sorry for it but then again ifanything is that stupid.I also wish I had a gun with me, to put some of thestupidist creature on the planet (The cow) out oftheir misery (or ignorant bliss) whichever it is.There are thousands of them, laying in the roads, carsjust go around them whereever possible. the entire area is flooded, and I mean bad, hundredsof thousands of miles under water, looks like theocean with small patched of trees and huts standingout of it. Roads are almost not more than small trailswith everyone and everything blocking them.Most of the meteorite has been taken by the police, Iam working on tracking down a couple of pieces, but itlooks hopeless as it takes me 6 hours to get to thearea even though it is only 70 miles away, the maxspees is about 10 miles an hour on the highway andabout 2 miles an hour on the village route. these are small villages, I mean aobut 10 famileseach, no electricity, nothing more than some mud hutsin a land of mud. I had to go on motorcycle for a fewmiles last night with a spectacular lightning show inthe distance, it was the most eery and beatiful driveI have ever taken, the flooded swampland, cool wind,nice people and all made me fell like I was in somesort of 16 th century expedition. When we got to thevillage, the people showed me where a 6-8 kilo stonefell, coming down right down the slanted roof of ahut, denting in the grass roof and making a largecrater at the base of the hut. That stone was taken 2days ago, but I have two competing guys traking downthe person who took it, to get it for me. We will seeif this hut smasher comes home with me. I do have a 13gram fragment of it, (They smashed it). The meteoriteis like Zag, large veins and slickensides.The 6 hour trip back to town last night was the mostharrowing of my life, I would say at least 50 nearhead on collisions with giant trucks, busses, allwithout lights, cars on the wrong side of the road,washed out roads, cows of course (and they would muchrather drive off a cliff and die than kill a cowhere!).there should be hundreds of stones, but it is allrivers and swamps and rice paddies, all under severalfeet of water, so virtually none will be recovered.I saw photos of the 5 kilo stone, very nice. Anyway, sorry for the format of this email, but usingthe computer here is not easy.Anyone thinking of coming to get some, forget it, asit is, with my 13 gram piece, i will have paid over$400.00 gram for my piece! But I will have memories ofa lifetime of this hunt, which doing it alone, Ialready consider by far my most exotic andinteresting. the people in the
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
> Matteo, > > Your mail is filtered into my trash bin but others > continue to quote > your e-mails on their posts. I do not want to be > included in your > "satisfied customer" group so I'll speak up as you > have asked. In fact, > I have spoken up for over a year if you had noticed. > Have you ever > visited my Links page on my Meteorite Studies > website? If so you would > have seen a link at the end of the list titled "Once > burnt, twice shy". > I maintain this page with all due deliberation. > > David Item purchased was not classified as advertised. Very poor communication. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you have look my sale site? Now I not remember what you have buy, if is NWA 1058 or 1054, but one is a primitive achondrite like winonaite exit in the last Met.Bull. if is NWA 1054 is a achondrite acapulcoite. First to write idiocies look the updatings. However most of you disappointed me in all of the fronts, people that I thought adult instead show themselves alone of the children that beat the foots on the ground, like if the argument meteorites is of USA property, when the history of meteorites is born in Europe. Who wants knows where to find me, sincerely speack with similar persons I am not interested. This is my last email I write on this argument, now I know from who to keep a distance and I will know to inform also the others. without not any respect Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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and Dave said... "I personally > would regard 0.25g of Calcalong Creek as 'huge'!" dave > IMCA#0092 Just ask Norbert Classen. He HAS a huge 0.25 gram specimen of Calcalong Creek, and it is awesome!!! another dave, IMCA 2725 __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India report #2
Stu wrote: Mike, Just wanted to thank you for taking me - and everyone else on the List - along with you on your latest hunting adventure. I'm one of the, shall we say, "less welloff" members of the List, and I can't afford to jump on a plane and do an Indiana Jones like you do, so it is always a treat to be able to travel virtually with you,and others, to far flung corners of the globe in search of new specimens. I wish you nothing but good fortune on this trip, seriously. What I think some others inthis community forget is that you're representing ALL of us out there, and I think you're doing a bloody good job, if you'll excuse my language. So, good luck out there - go get 'em! :-) I agree 100%! Thanks a lot MIKE!!! Peter M.
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: > > --- John Gwilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Matteo, > > I know there are several List members who have had > > to deal with your > > unorthodox and questionable business ethics, > > including myself. Most have > > kept quiet because they know it's good form to keep > > one's mouth shut most > > of the time. However, when you provoke responses > > from the likes of good > > characters like Dave Freeman and Dave Andrews, > > you're starting to step on > > more than just people's toes. > > > > Brothers Andrews and Freeman have expressed their > > opinions concerning you > > incessant whining and complaining, and there will be > > more to follow if you > > continue your banal rhetoric. You certainly don't > > want more testimonials to > > make their way to this List, do you? > > > > Your silence would be greatly appreciated, > > Ah yes. ... who have been these persons, I am actual > curious to know, but I see that here it is threatened > but not speaks. Pertain the meteorites, big little, > gained from you always I paid immediately, see also on > ebay, while with a certain meteorite you pretended of > not understand that I wanted to buy it when had given > it ok that was on hold for me, and after few minutes > had been sold. I repeat, to all the persons that I > have sold meteorites any of this has complained, > therefore I do not know where you dream you these > persons that did not do questionable business with me, > while to the opposite one I should say it with who did > questionable business, and it seems to have me also > written. Pertain my silence, if I want I am quiet, > not you of secure you make myself be quiet. > > Matteo > Matteo, Your mail is filtered into my trash bin but others continue to quote your e-mails on their posts. I do not want to be included in your "satisfied customer" group so I'll speak up as you have asked. In fact, I have spoken up for over a year if you had noticed. Have you ever visited my Links page on my Meteorite Studies website? If so you would have seen a link at the end of the list titled "Once burnt, twice shy". I maintain this page with all due deliberation. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] in the eye of the beholder
If you ask me, huge is in the eye of the beholder.Take for instance my HUGE piece of RIFLE.It measures 0.7 grams.It measures 1.3 cm x 7 mm x 5 mm.To me that is huge because I doudt I will ever see another piece of RIFLE, COLORADO.And on top of that, it has a nininger AML label with it.I love this little piece.So to me this is HUGE.This piece can be viewed on my new homepage. STEVE ARNOLD = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
--- John Gwilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Matteo, > I know there are several List members who have had > to deal with your > unorthodox and questionable business ethics, > including myself. Most have > kept quiet because they know it's good form to keep > one's mouth shut most > of the time. However, when you provoke responses > from the likes of good > characters like Dave Freeman and Dave Andrews, > you're starting to step on > more than just people's toes. > > Brothers Andrews and Freeman have expressed their > opinions concerning you > incessant whining and complaining, and there will be > more to follow if you > continue your banal rhetoric. You certainly don't > want more testimonials to > make their way to this List, do you? > > Your silence would be greatly appreciated, Ah yes. ... who have been these persons, I am actual curious to know, but I see that here it is threatened but not speaks. Pertain the meteorites, big little, gained from you always I paid immediately, see also on ebay, while with a certain meteorite you pretended of not understand that I wanted to buy it when had given it ok that was on hold for me, and after few minutes had been sold. I repeat, to all the persons that I have sold meteorites any of this has complained, therefore I do not know where you dream you these persons that did not do questionable business with me, while to the opposite one I should say it with who did questionable business, and it seems to have me also written. Pertain my silence, if I want I am quiet, not you of secure you make myself be quiet. Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
Mike, Thanks for making the effort to post a report of your adventure in India. News like yours makes wading through the garbage on the Meteorite List worth the effort. and Matteo, I know there are several List members who have had to deal with your unorthodox and questionable business ethics, including myself. Most have kept quiet because they know it's good form to keep one's mouth shut most of the time. However, when you provoke responses from the likes of good characters like Dave Freeman and Dave Andrews, you're starting to step on more than just people's toes. Brothers Andrews and Freeman have expressed their opinions concerning you incessant whining and complaining, and there will be more to follow if you continue your banal rhetoric. You certainly don't want more testimonials to make their way to this List, do you? Your silence would be greatly appreciated, John Gwilliam At 09:52 AM 10/10/03 -0700, Michael Farmer wrote: Good evening everyone, it is 10 pm here in Bhubaneswar India. another rainy day, more flooding, lots of problems. I went back to Kendrapara today, and was able to break through the absolutely hopeless Indian beurocracy and see the meteorites. I had to go to their version of a state or city hall, the place in charge of the surrounding area. They are working on the flood emergency, and told me that over 1000 villages are submerged and so many people dead, interestingly the Indian Government only reports 17 dead, and according to the locals, it is in the hundreds. Anyway, after alot of talking, explaining who I was and liberal if not quite true use of the word University, and making formal request letters to see and photograph the stones, the convened a meeting, made alot of phone calls, and just at dark I finally got authorization to go to the finance department and open the vault and play with the meteorites. The two stones they still have here are 5.7 kilos and a 500 gram fragment. They are stored in a large metal lock box, sealed with cord and then sealed with a wax stamp to avoid tampering. They do not really know what they are, and with the government people all demanding the stones, they have refused to release them to anyone since they do not understand who they belong to. It seems that the local and federal government are about to fight over them. I got to fully examine them, and took about 40 photos, but since the sun had set and they had one tiny light in the building, I dont know how well they will come out. The large stone was very nicely regmaglypted, but one side was broken off, and already very badly weathered only two weeks after the fall. The wet climate takes it's toll on meteorites fast. The other piece was from another stone which the villagers had broken up, and the other pieces have all been taken already. It is a breccia, like I said nice slickensides, i could not see many chondrules, but clearly an H chondrite. There is no possibility of any acquisition of these pieces, they made a special file just for me that I opened the box and examined the stone. It seems that in India, a file is made for even the slightest thing, as I said, just to see the stones I had to make a formal letter, get it signed by about 20 people, and authorized by countless more by telephone. The local government people were absolutely fascinated though. they asked me so many questions, and one of them thought that this was the first time in history that a stone had fallen from space, hence the reluctance to even show them. They were all afraid of radiation or viruses, and all did not understand why the stone burned. I explained the super high velocity is the cause of the fireball and burning, but they could not comprehend a stone burning because it was moving so fast. there was also an armed guard there while I opened the box! I was reported to the police by the cheif of the Suniti village, where the large stone fell, he wanted me to give him money yesterday so that he could get me a stone, I refused so I guess he called the state police today and reported me stealing a large stone, the police were surprised when I showed up at the station today, as I could only be the American who was to be arrested on sight. Of course they laughed it off, I did not find it quite as ammusing. Overall, even though the extreme beurocracy is what seems to stifle the Indian government, they were all very nice and just wanted to cover their own butts as it was explained to me. I doubt I will get any other pieces, so tomorrow is a tourism day, beach and temples. I saw alot of very tame monkeys today, ad even fed a few some bananas from on top of my head! You put a little banana up on your head, and the monkeys run right up your back and sit on your head eating away! I must say, that I appreciate every single day of travel that meteorites have brought me, even though it seems I will lose my shirt on this trip, oh well, ill make it up next time when I get the next fall. I am so plea
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen?
Hello all, why can't people write 1500g Campo in their description instead of saying huge Campo. Instead, they make people look at the auction to see what the sellers idea of huge is. What would ebay be like if everyone simply wrote "meteorite" in the description, you would have to look at every auction to find what you are looking for. I don't want to look at every auction to find the size I am looking for. Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier <>< The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen? > and if you find a 0.01 gr. of Nogata is extra > Hugebut for me is many many huge a 3.92 gr. slice > of Barbotan, my birthday meteorite...all collectors > have a personal scale for meteorites. > Regards > > Matteo > > --- Dave Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Personally and practically, a 2kg meteorite of any > > type usually I regard as > > huge' mainly because it would have cost me a lot of > > money - I have been > > collecting for a few years and I don't have anything > > approaching 2kg in size > > so for me 'huge' is an appropriate adjective! > > Also, I would, if I were that buyer, look around so > > see what else was on > > offer in order go guesstimate the correct sort of > > price, and decide that if > > it is good value and looks good then ok, it may not > > be a 3/4 ton Otumba as > > in the NHM (London) but for domestic collections it > > is pretty substantial. > > It is all relative! > > But I agree with Tom's last statement that the > > perhaps the seller ought to > > check out what 'huge' is relative to the rock he is > > selling. I personally > > would regard 0.25g of Calcalong Creek as 'huge'! > > > > > > Research, that is the key, both for buyers and > > sellers! > > > > thanks for your indulgence > > > > > > dave > > > > > > IMCA#0092 > > > > ---Original Message--- > > > > From: Tom aka James Knudson > > Date: Friday, October 10, 2003 20:45:46 > > To: Howard Wu; Dave Harris; metlist > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen? > > > > Hello List, Please correct me if I am wrong! Please > > try to be polite when > > doing so! : ) > > I think it hurts us all when some one uses > > misleading tactics to sell > > meteorites. Why do I think that? I will tell you. > > Ebay is by far the best, > > cheapest and easiest place to get meteorites. Lets > > say someone new goes on > > ebay and sees a 2000g Campo described as "HUGE" and > > looks around and there > > is no Campo larger on ebay at the time, the buyer > > goes back to the auction > > and finds a IMCA link, clicks on it and learns what > > a honest bunch of > > sellers IMCA members are. The new buyer even clicks > > on a few links and does > > not see a Campo that big on any of the sites. The > > buyer will feel like he is > > getting a Huge Campo at a great price. He goes back > > to the auction and uses > > Buy it now. He gets it and is thrilled with this > > Huge Campo. > > He gets the "BUG" and goes back to Ebay to look > > around. This time he finds > > a 94lb Campo, but his campo was huge? So what is a > > buyer to think? DON"T > > TRUST THEM DISHONEST IMCA MEMBERS, that whole bunch > > are full of #&%$(# ! > > > > Now what, buy from none IMCA members, OK, and it > > turns out to be slag! Oh > > well, this meteorite collecting thing sucks! You can > > not trust anyone! > > I do know, one important part of selling, is you > > need buyers. If no one > > wants to buy meteorites, no one can sell them!!! > > I live in AZ, and it is still summer here, still in > > the high 90's, to hot > > for GB, so all my meteorite hunting is done on ebay! > > I am just telling you > > all of my hunting adventures. : ) > > All I am trying to get across is that honesty is > > the best policy. If you > > have a 2k Holbrook, tell people it is huge!!! If you > > have a 2k campo, say it > > is nice sized or something, save HUGE for the huge > > Campos! > > Thanks, Tom > > wondering if I should be the proudest member of the > > IMCA 6168 > > - Original Message - > > From: Howard Wu > > To: Dave Harris ; metlist > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen? > > > > > > I joined this list in part so I wouldn't be so > > stupid about faux meteorites > > or over priced scams. > > > > Howard Wu > > > > Dave Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have to throw in my 2g's worth here - seems that > > some people on the list > > spend too much of their time trawling eBay looking > > for auctions to criticise > > and debunk and publish their 'findings' to the list. > > Fine in principle, but we are not here to police > > eBay - I think that "Caveat > > Emptor" should prevail here. If anyone is naive or > > stupid enough to spend > > thousands of bucks on a so-called 'meteorite' and > > from a supplier who
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen?
and if you find a 0.01 gr. of Nogata is extra Hugebut for me is many many huge a 3.92 gr. slice of Barbotan, my birthday meteorite...all collectors have a personal scale for meteorites. Regards Matteo --- Dave Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personally and practically, a 2kg meteorite of any > type usually I regard as > huge' mainly because it would have cost me a lot of > money - I have been > collecting for a few years and I don't have anything > approaching 2kg in size > so for me 'huge' is an appropriate adjective! > Also, I would, if I were that buyer, look around so > see what else was on > offer in order go guesstimate the correct sort of > price, and decide that if > it is good value and looks good then ok, it may not > be a 3/4 ton Otumba as > in the NHM (London) but for domestic collections it > is pretty substantial. > It is all relative! > But I agree with Tom's last statement that the > perhaps the seller ought to > check out what 'huge' is relative to the rock he is > selling. I personally > would regard 0.25g of Calcalong Creek as 'huge'! > > > Research, that is the key, both for buyers and > sellers! > > thanks for your indulgence > > > dave > > > IMCA#0092 > > ---Original Message--- > > From: Tom aka James Knudson > Date: Friday, October 10, 2003 20:45:46 > To: Howard Wu; Dave Harris; metlist > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen? > > Hello List, Please correct me if I am wrong! Please > try to be polite when > doing so! : ) > I think it hurts us all when some one uses > misleading tactics to sell > meteorites. Why do I think that? I will tell you. > Ebay is by far the best, > cheapest and easiest place to get meteorites. Lets > say someone new goes on > ebay and sees a 2000g Campo described as "HUGE" and > looks around and there > is no Campo larger on ebay at the time, the buyer > goes back to the auction > and finds a IMCA link, clicks on it and learns what > a honest bunch of > sellers IMCA members are. The new buyer even clicks > on a few links and does > not see a Campo that big on any of the sites. The > buyer will feel like he is > getting a Huge Campo at a great price. He goes back > to the auction and uses > Buy it now. He gets it and is thrilled with this > Huge Campo. > He gets the "BUG" and goes back to Ebay to look > around. This time he finds > a 94lb Campo, but his campo was huge? So what is a > buyer to think? DON"T > TRUST THEM DISHONEST IMCA MEMBERS, that whole bunch > are full of #&%$(# ! > > Now what, buy from none IMCA members, OK, and it > turns out to be slag! Oh > well, this meteorite collecting thing sucks! You can > not trust anyone! > I do know, one important part of selling, is you > need buyers. If no one > wants to buy meteorites, no one can sell them!!! > I live in AZ, and it is still summer here, still in > the high 90's, to hot > for GB, so all my meteorite hunting is done on ebay! > I am just telling you > all of my hunting adventures. : ) > All I am trying to get across is that honesty is > the best policy. If you > have a 2k Holbrook, tell people it is huge!!! If you > have a 2k campo, say it > is nice sized or something, save HUGE for the huge > Campos! > Thanks, Tom > wondering if I should be the proudest member of the > IMCA 6168 > - Original Message - > From: Howard Wu > To: Dave Harris ; metlist > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:13 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen? > > > I joined this list in part so I wouldn't be so > stupid about faux meteorites > or over priced scams. > > Howard Wu > > Dave Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > I have to throw in my 2g's worth here - seems that > some people on the list > spend too much of their time trawling eBay looking > for auctions to criticise > and debunk and publish their 'findings' to the list. > Fine in principle, but we are not here to police > eBay - I think that "Caveat > Emptor" should prevail here. If anyone is naive or > stupid enough to spend > thousands of bucks on a so-called 'meteorite' and > from a supplier who doesn > t sport the IMCA label then so be it. > > Like a lot of people, I find the exceptional ripoffs > very funny and I am > quite happy to have my attention drawn to it, but on > the whole these > auctions for faux meteorites are all a bit sad, > desperate and not really > funny. > > Seems to me that every Metlist digest I get now has > a "look at this eBay > auction..." gleefully pointing out some stupid ad - > Can I suggest that > perhaps one could spend one's time better employed? > > > frustratingly frustrated! > > > dave > > > IMCA #0092 > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get > the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger > = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSE
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen?
Personally and practically, a 2kg meteorite of any type usually I regard as 'huge' mainly because it would have cost me a lot of money - I have been collecting for a few years and I don't have anything approaching 2kg in size, so for me 'huge' is an appropriate adjective! Also, I would, if I were that buyer, look around so see what else was on offer in order go guesstimate the correct sort of price, and decide that if it is good value and looks good then ok, it may not be a 3/4 ton Otumba as in the NHM (London) but for domestic collections it is pretty substantial. It is all relative! But I agree with Tom's last statement that the perhaps the seller ought to check out what 'huge' is relative to the rock he is selling. I personally would regard 0.25g of Calcalong Creek as 'huge'! Research, that is the key, both for buyers and sellers! thanks for your indulgence dave IMCA#0092 ---Original Message--- From: Tom aka James Knudson Date: Friday, October 10, 2003 20:45:46 To: Howard Wu; Dave Harris; metlist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen? Hello List, Please correct me if I am wrong! Please try to be polite when doing so! : ) I think it hurts us all when some one uses misleading tactics to sell meteorites. Why do I think that? I will tell you. Ebay is by far the best, cheapest and easiest place to get meteorites. Lets say someone new goes on ebay and sees a 2000g Campo described as "HUGE" and looks around and there is no Campo larger on ebay at the time, the buyer goes back to the auction and finds a IMCA link, clicks on it and learns what a honest bunch of sellers IMCA members are. The new buyer even clicks on a few links and does not see a Campo that big on any of the sites. The buyer will feel like he is getting a Huge Campo at a great price. He goes back to the auction and uses Buy it now. He gets it and is thrilled with this Huge Campo. He gets the "BUG" and goes back to Ebay to look around. This time he finds a 94lb Campo, but his campo was huge? So what is a buyer to think? DON"T TRUST THEM DISHONEST IMCA MEMBERS, that whole bunch are full of #&%$(# ! Now what, buy from none IMCA members, OK, and it turns out to be slag! Oh well, this meteorite collecting thing sucks! You can not trust anyone! I do know, one important part of selling, is you need buyers. If no one wants to buy meteorites, no one can sell them!!! I live in AZ, and it is still summer here, still in the high 90's, to hot for GB, so all my meteorite hunting is done on ebay! I am just telling you all of my hunting adventures. : ) All I am trying to get across is that honesty is the best policy. If you have a 2k Holbrook, tell people it is huge!!! If you have a 2k campo, say it is nice sized or something, save HUGE for the huge Campos! Thanks, Tomwondering if I should be the proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Howard Wu To: Dave Harris ; metlist Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen? I joined this list in part so I wouldn't be so stupid about faux meteorites or over priced scams. Howard WuDave Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,I have to throw in my 2g's worth here - seems that some people on the listspend too much of their time trawling eBay looking for auctions to criticiseand debunk and publish their 'findings' to the list.Fine in principle, but we are not here to police eBay - I think that "CaveatEmptor" should prevail here. If anyone is naive or stupid enough to spendthousands of bucks on a so-called 'meteorite' and from a supplier who doesnt sport the IMCA label then so be it. Like a lot of people, I find the exceptional ripoffs very funny and I amquite happy to have my attention drawn to it, but on the whole theseauctions for faux meteorites are all a bit sad, desperate and not reallyfunny.Seems to me that every Metlist digest I get now has a "look at this eBayauction..." gleefully pointing out some stupid ad - Can I suggest thatperhaps one could spend one's time better employed?frustratingly frustrated!daveIMCA #0092__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen?
Hello List, Please correct me if I am wrong! Please try to be polite when doing so! : ) I think it hurts us all when some one uses misleading tactics to sell meteorites. Why do I think that? I will tell you. Ebay is by far the best, cheapest and easiest place to get meteorites. Lets say someone new goes on ebay and sees a 2000g Campo described as "HUGE" and looks around and there is no Campo larger on ebay at the time, the buyer goes back to the auction and finds a IMCA link, clicks on it and learns what a honest bunch of sellers IMCA members are. The new buyer even clicks on a few links and does not see a Campo that big on any of the sites. The buyer will feel like he is getting a Huge Campo at a great price. He goes back to the auction and uses Buy it now. He gets it and is thrilled with this Huge Campo. He gets the "BUG" and goes back to Ebay to look around. This time he finds a 94lb Campo, but his campo was huge? So what is a buyer to think? DON"T TRUST THEM DISHONEST IMCA MEMBERS, that whole bunch are full of #&%$(# ! Now what, buy from none IMCA members, OK, and it turns out to be slag! Oh well, this meteorite collecting thing sucks! You can not trust anyone! I do know, one important part of selling, is you need buyers. If no one wants to buy meteorites, no one can sell them!!! I live in AZ, and it is still summer here, still in the high 90's, to hot for GB, so all my meteorite hunting is done on ebay! I am just telling you all of my hunting adventures. : ) All I am trying to get across is that honesty is the best policy. If you have a 2k Holbrook, tell people it is huge!!! If you have a 2k campo, say it is nice sized or something, save HUGE for the huge Campos! Thanks, Tomwondering if I should be the proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Howard Wu To: Dave Harris ; metlist Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen? I joined this list in part so I wouldn't be so stupid about faux meteorites or over priced scams. Howard WuDave Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,I have to throw in my 2g's worth here - seems that some people on the listspend too much of their time trawling eBay looking for auctions to criticiseand debunk and publish their 'findings' to the list.Fine in principle, but we are not here to police eBay - I think that "CaveatEmptor" should prevail here. If anyone is naive or stupid enough to spendthousands of bucks on a so-called 'meteorite' and from a supplier who doesnt sport the IMCA label then so be it. Like a lot of people, I find the exceptional ripoffs very funny and I amquite happy to have my attention drawn to it, but on the whole theseauctions for faux meteorites are all a bit sad, desperate and not reallyfunny.Seems to me that every Metlist digest I get now has a "look at this eBayauction..." gleefully pointing out some stupid ad - Can I suggest thatperhaps one could spend one's time better employed?frustratingly frustrated!daveIMCA #0092__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
[meteorite-list] Pultusk pea
Hi, Anyone out there is a reasonalbe sized (10-12g) Pultusk individual? I am ideally looking for a provenanced one with museum numbers on it... I do not want to spend what anymore what Matteo and I have been bidding over on eBAy - Matteo - it's all yours! I guess I'd like to spend around $130 or so... but it depends on whether anyone has one that I REALLY want! Please reply offlist! very best dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India note and meteorite deaths.
Great story, Mike, but I don't concider dying of a heart attack a meteorite kill. No more than someone dying of a heart attach if they found out they paid thousands of dollars for what latter turned out to be a piece of slag. Would you call that a meteorwrong death? Howard WuMichael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Matteo, you are so full of %$%$. You claim to havemade a higher offer on a kilo than me? That is a neattrick since I have not made a single offer on anythingas there is nothing to be had. The only piece I madean offer on is sitting in my hotel safe, as I boughtit. The large pieces are firmly locked in policehands. Perhaps you are smoking crack tonight? This isa Casper tactic, if you have not, what the hell, claimyou have anyway. I just hope for meteorite collectingsake, that you dont try to pull some crap and sellanother meteorite as this one, you have been caughtonce before with your fake Italian fall. Anyone whodoes not know what I am talking about, ask me when Iget home, I can show your where Matteo had a supposednew fall from Italy denounced and the name removedfrom the Meteoritical bulletin. It seems that he soldsome stones that scientifically turned out to bePultusk stones. Buyer beware. I also loved the part about your "Indian sources". youmean Atar? a person who is 25000 kilometers fromIndia? I am laughing my ass off. The people here 10kilometers from the village cant tell you where thenext village is, much less get on the internet, andquickly contact of all people Matteo Chineletto inItaly. I am on the ground here with $10,000 in mypocket, enought money to buy 10 or 12 villages, andyet I cant get anything, but you matteo, being offeredkilos of stones, JEEEZ, do you think we are all thatfrigin stupid? It is you my friend that is living in adreamland. Wake up. Ill be reminding you and everyoneelse of your claim from time to time, just to seewhere this piece is. The truth about this fall is interesting enough, liesare not needed to make it more dramatic, it hasalready killed one man, that is confirmed that an oldman had a heart attack when the meteorite fell, he wastaken to the local clinic and then moved to a largerhospital in Cuttack where he died. Mike Farmer__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listWant to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen?
I joined this list in part so I wouldn't be so stupid about faux meteorites or over priced scams. Howard WuDave Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,I have to throw in my 2g's worth here - seems that some people on the listspend too much of their time trawling eBay looking for auctions to criticiseand debunk and publish their 'findings' to the list.Fine in principle, but we are not here to police eBay - I think that "CaveatEmptor" should prevail here. If anyone is naive or stupid enough to spendthousands of bucks on a so-called 'meteorite' and from a supplier who doesnt sport the IMCA label then so be it. Like a lot of people, I find the exceptional ripoffs very funny and I amquite happy to have my attention drawn to it, but on the whole theseauctions for faux meteorites are all a bit sad, desperate and not reallyfunny.Seems to me that every Metlist digest I get now has a "look at this eBayauction..." gleefully pointing out some stupid ad - Can I suggest thatperhaps one could spend one's time better employed?frustratingly frustrated!daveIMCA #0092__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listWant to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images - October 6-10, 2003
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES October 6-10, 2003 o Two Craters (Released 6 October 2003) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20031006a.html o Ritchey Crater (Released 8 October 2003) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20031008a.html o The Summit of Olympus Mons (Released 9 October 2003) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20031009a.html o A Different Medusae Fossae Formation (Released 10 October 2003) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20031010a.html All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in collaboration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen?
Thanks Dave I liked the way you phrased that. I have been bypassing some of the posts for the more interesting and informative ones like Mike's and Atul's. My minor was anthropology, so I find hearing about India interesting. Its also a look into what can be expected when one travels for any reason. When one travels abroad, searching for meteorites or just for pleasure, one really needs to keep in mind (and an open mind at that) that you will often leave the "western" world behind and enter into a civilization that is so different that its hard to comprehend. I wish I had the fore-sight when I was younger to search for meteorites when I was overseas. But I enjoyed those far away lands all the same. This list has opened the world up for me again and although I do travel and camp a lot here in the northwest, its not the same as being in a non-western country. I would like to hear of some of the other major meteorite hunting peoples exploits in distant lands. Maybe, if they read the list, they will post some of their travels and enlighten those less fortunate or willing. I find that as much fun as the meteorites they find and buy. Mark - Original Message - From: "Dave Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "metlist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen? Hi, I have to throw in my 2g's worth here - seems that some people on the list spend too much of their time trawling eBay looking for auctions to criticise and debunk and publish their 'findings' to the list. Fine in principle, but we are not here to police eBay - I think that "Caveat Emptor" should prevail here. If anyone is naive or stupid enough to spend thousands of bucks on a so-called 'meteorite' and from a supplier who doesn t sport the IMCA label then so be it. Like a lot of people, I find the exceptional ripoffs very funny and I am quite happy to have my attention drawn to it, but on the whole these auctions for faux meteorites are all a bit sad, desperate and not really funny. Seems to me that every Metlist digest I get now has a "look at this eBay auction..." gleefully pointing out some stupid ad - Can I suggest that perhaps one could spend one's time better employed? frustratingly frustrated! dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Orissa India--- Of Floods,meteorites and Man-and Turtles too
Dear All- and Mike Farmer While poor people of the area have just had their thached (straw) roofs blow off their Mud houses ,and their mud houses are turning into more mud,and people are dying and even more will die from the diseases to come,we get to hear about the carnage ,and learn about their misery sitting at our computers. Into this mayhem that is India arrives one Foreigner(as they are called) in 2 cars/jeeps with a purpose.He wants the rocks that fell from the sky. Mike travels exactly half way around the world for meteorites,and ends up with a flood,starvation,and disease.Not to mention he is among people who have never seen a refrigerator- and would not know what to do with it even if they did see one. They have never known electricity- unless they travel to town. Maybe he can do something to help the poor people there,even if they dont have METEORITES TO BARTER FOR FOOD. COWS- They are a part of the household- almost a member of the family- like a pet dog is- sort of- They wander during the day looking for foliage,and in the evening come back home - to be milked.The reason they are on the road in Mikes way is because they are lost- or decide they dont want to sit in the flooded area today.They are trying to stay dry, or maybe their way home is blocked by water. Milk is the major source of protien and fat for most of India.The milk extracted is usually gone fast -They dont need refrigerators- there are more mouths in the household than the cow can fill. ROADS Mikes description of the road travel left out this- As the only decent part of the road is the middle every vehicle travels in the middle of the road.There is nothing dividing oncoming traffic from your vehicle. When you see a vehicle coming- you have to make a quick decision whether you want to get off the road or if you want to get him off the road or if you want to see if he wants to play the who,s going to get off last game. The larger (read TATA) usually wins the middle ground. I must tell you about the TATA tramplers - (These are 7 ton trucks loaded with 20 -30 tons of freight- i call them Tramplers) hopelessly overloaded ,usually leaning to one side,engines over-revving under the load,and they do trample everthing in their path. Travelling in rural India can be great fun.I go as often as i can,doing volunteer Wildlife work while i am there. INDIAN HOSPITALITY If there is one bed in the home- the guest sleeps in it- the rest on the floor. If there is one meal- for the whole family to share- the guest gets it. It is very very humbling to learn that there is so much we can learn from these poor people. The tone of mikes email seems to suggest he has finally found what enthalls people of the world with India.There is so much to love - and so much to dislike. It is a land of paradoxes. His emails exude a sense of resigned acceptance about the things he is seeing.makes me homesick just reading his emails. Anyway my contact reports that Recovery efforts have been dismal.The water is everywhere as the mini cyclone from last week brought the ocean to the peoples doorstep in more ways than one. MIKE- Ask about when the Arribida is- Millions of Indian Sea Going turtles come to the very beaches you are near to lay their eggs and then even more millions hatch and go back to the sea to continue the cycle that has continued from times immemorial .It is a sight of a lifetime. The turtles that hatch here- will only come back to the very beach they were born - in a few years to lay their eggs.Radio telemetry has established this recently. And it took us 2000 AD yrs to discover GPS.The turtles have us beat by a few million years. PS- the word Arrabida was coined by the spanish inhabitants of India-I think it means the arrival. Regards Atul kumar
[meteorite-list] eBay policemen?
Hi, I have to throw in my 2g's worth here - seems that some people on the list spend too much of their time trawling eBay looking for auctions to criticise and debunk and publish their 'findings' to the list. Fine in principle, but we are not here to police eBay - I think that "Caveat Emptor" should prevail here. If anyone is naive or stupid enough to spend thousands of bucks on a so-called 'meteorite' and from a supplier who doesn t sport the IMCA label then so be it. Like a lot of people, I find the exceptional ripoffs very funny and I am quite happy to have my attention drawn to it, but on the whole these auctions for faux meteorites are all a bit sad, desperate and not really funny. Seems to me that every Metlist digest I get now has a "look at this eBay auction..." gleefully pointing out some stupid ad - Can I suggest that perhaps one could spend one's time better employed? frustratingly frustrated! dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re:India report #2.
Hey Mike good to hear you at least managed a few grams, but sounds to me like you got more out of this one than some stones. Anyway thanks for the detailed account of your adventures and take care. Later, Ron
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
Mike, Just wanted to thank you for taking me - and everyone else on the List - along with you on your latest hunting adventure. I'm one of the, shall we say, "less well off" members of the List, and I can't afford to jump on a plane and do an Indiana Jones like you do, so it is always a treat to be able to travel virtually with you, and others, to far flung corners of the globe in search of new specimens. I wish you nothing but good fortune on this trip, seriously. What I think some others in this community forget is that you're representing ALL of us out there, and I think you're doing a bloody good job, if you'll excuse my language. So, good luck out there - go get 'em! :-) My own travelling is rather more modest. Two weeks ago I was up in the Shetland Islands - a scattering of tree-less, wind-swept, sea-battered, aurora-lit rocky outcrops so far north of Scotland they're almost as close to Norway as they are to the British mainland - doing some "Outreach" work in schools up there. It rained almost the whole week, so much I was either going to start growing gills or building a big boat and rounding up pairs of animals, but I had an amazing time. I visited 5 different schools in 5 days, some small, some big, but all the kids I talked to - and the total must have been around 400 over the week - were fascinated by astronomy, and absolutely hypnotised by the selection of meteorites I took along with me to show them and let them hold. Up there, almost totally free from light pollution, and blessed with skies that overflow with stars when the icy North Atlantic winds blow the clouds away, they've had a spectacular view of Mars over the summer, so you can imagine how thrilled they were to be able to see and actually hold tiny pieces of Zagami. My much-travelled Canyon Diablo was passed around again and again, and other pieces were received just as enthusiastically. Wonderful kids, really, so polite and curious, and such fun too! In a school on a tiny island called Whallsay, one girl, Heather, patiently listened to me telling her group how cold Pluto was then raised her hand with a question: "So," she asked in her almost-Scandanavian accent, face absolutely dead-pan serious, "if I went to Pluto with my cat, and threw it outside without a spacesuit on, would it freeze solid?" That was enough of a stunner, but when she went on to enquire if her petrified cat would "break into bits" if she hit it with a hammer I lost it, totally cracked up, even as the teacher looked on aghast, hand over mouth, from the sidelines. ( Turned out the class had seen a demonstration of a rose dipped in liquid oxygen the week before, and Heather put two and two together to make 5...! ) The Shetlands are Viking country, and the Norse mythology about the sky, particularly the aurora, is fascinating. Apparently when the Norse people witnessed an aurora they thought they were seeing, among other things, the Dead playing with the head of a walrus, or clans of gods fighting, splashing blood (the red aurora) across the sky... Didn't find any meteorites as I wandered the broad, sandy beaches, under a truly enormous sky, but maybe next time. What I do have, which is almost as good, is a big pile of Thank You letters from many of the kids I met, many of them sharing their excitement about getting to hold the meteorites and "bits of Mars", which are very special. So, not exactly India, but just as exciting in its own way. Good luck out there Mike, you're doing a fine job. I'm sure I speak for a lot of folks on this List, the silent majority, when I say that I'm proud of ya - and very grateful for letting me ride in your pocket as you hunt! Take care, Stu
[meteorite-list] India note
Matteo, you are so full of %$%$. You claim to have made a higher offer on a kilo than me? That is a neat trick since I have not made a single offer on anything as there is nothing to be had. The only piece I made an offer on is sitting in my hotel safe, as I bought it. The large pieces are firmly locked in police hands. Perhaps you are smoking crack tonight? This is a Casper tactic, if you have not, what the hell, claim you have anyway. I just hope for meteorite collecting sake, that you dont try to pull some crap and sell another meteorite as this one, you have been caught once before with your fake Italian fall. Anyone who does not know what I am talking about, ask me when I get home, I can show your where Matteo had a supposed new fall from Italy denounced and the name removed from the Meteoritical bulletin. It seems that he sold some stones that scientifically turned out to be Pultusk stones. Buyer beware. I also loved the part about your "Indian sources". you mean Atar? a person who is 25000 kilometers from India? I am laughing my ass off. The people here 10 kilometers from the village cant tell you where the next village is, much less get on the internet, and quickly contact of all people Matteo Chineletto in Italy. I am on the ground here with $10,000 in my pocket, enought money to buy 10 or 12 villages, and yet I cant get anything, but you matteo, being offered kilos of stones, JEEEZ, do you think we are all that frigin stupid? It is you my friend that is living in a dreamland. Wake up. Ill be reminding you and everyone else of your claim from time to time, just to see where this piece is. The truth about this fall is interesting enough, lies are not needed to make it more dramatic, it has already killed one man, that is confirmed that an old man had a heart attack when the meteorite fell, he was taken to the local clinic and then moved to a larger hospital in Cuttack where he died. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India report #2.
Good evening everyone, it is 10 pm here in Bhubaneswar India. another rainy day, more flooding, lots of problems. I went back to Kendrapara today, and was able to break through the absolutely hopeless Indian beurocracy and see the meteorites. I had to go to their version of a state or city hall, the place in charge of the surrounding area. They are working on the flood emergency, and told me that over 1000 villages are submerged and so many people dead, interestingly the Indian Government only reports 17 dead, and according to the locals, it is in the hundreds. Anyway, after alot of talking, explaining who I was and liberal if not quite true use of the word University, and making formal request letters to see and photograph the stones, the convened a meeting, made alot of phone calls, and just at dark I finally got authorization to go to the finance department and open the vault and play with the meteorites. The two stones they still have here are 5.7 kilos and a 500 gram fragment. They are stored in a large metal lock box, sealed with cord and then sealed with a wax stamp to avoid tampering. They do not really know what they are, and with the government people all demanding the stones, they have refused to release them to anyone since they do not understand who they belong to. It seems that the local and federal government are about to fight over them. I got to fully examine them, and took about 40 photos, but since the sun had set and they had one tiny light in the building, I dont know how well they will come out. The large stone was very nicely regmaglypted, but one side was broken off, and already very badly weathered only two weeks after the fall. The wet climate takes it's toll on meteorites fast. The other piece was from another stone which the villagers had broken up, and the other pieces have all been taken already. It is a breccia, like I said nice slickensides, i could not see many chondrules, but clearly an H chondrite. There is no possibility of any acquisition of these pieces, they made a special file just for me that I opened the box and examined the stone. It seems that in India, a file is made for even the slightest thing, as I said, just to see the stones I had to make a formal letter, get it signed by about 20 people, and authorized by countless more by telephone. The local government people were absolutely fascinated though. they asked me so many questions, and one of them thought that this was the first time in history that a stone had fallen from space, hence the reluctance to even show them. They were all afraid of radiation or viruses, and all did not understand why the stone burned. I explained the super high velocity is the cause of the fireball and burning, but they could not comprehend a stone burning because it was moving so fast. there was also an armed guard there while I opened the box! I was reported to the police by the cheif of the Suniti village, where the large stone fell, he wanted me to give him money yesterday so that he could get me a stone, I refused so I guess he called the state police today and reported me stealing a large stone, the police were surprised when I showed up at the station today, as I could only be the American who was to be arrested on sight. Of course they laughed it off, I did not find it quite as ammusing. Overall, even though the extreme beurocracy is what seems to stifle the Indian government, they were all very nice and just wanted to cover their own butts as it was explained to me. I doubt I will get any other pieces, so tomorrow is a tourism day, beach and temples. I saw alot of very tame monkeys today, ad even fed a few some bananas from on top of my head! You put a little banana up on your head, and the monkeys run right up your back and sit on your head eating away! I must say, that I appreciate every single day of travel that meteorites have brought me, even though it seems I will lose my shirt on this trip, oh well, ill make it up next time when I get the next fall. I am so pleased that I got my own little piece of this fall, bought right from the tiny village where it smashed the edge of a hut. I will never part with that piece. I have tons of photos, and will make a nice web page when I get home. But hey, all is not over yet, we are waiting on a phone call from the villages, and if it comes Ill go get a large stone, it is out there, hiding from me for now, but I have two more full days here in the strewnfield to make up for lost time. For those of you who like these rambling emails, thanks for listening, for those who hate me, oh well, I will never apologize for being myself, I may say things that should not be said sometimes, and I am sorry for that, but to me I value a person who speaks their mind and lets their feelings be known much more than a coward who lies to your face. I am exausted again, driving at night here is the worst kind of Russian Roulette, and it takes it's toll. Until tomorrow. Another nigh
Re: [meteorite-list] mike farmer
Dear Steve and List, I think your letter was very well put, and just about says, what alot of us feel. When I joined this list, I was made aware of the fact, that we are a diversified (multiplicity,variety ) group of individuals, with the common ground, being our individual interests in Meteorites. Whatever facet you fall under, you are part of the whole. That's what makes this list so great. Then there's the fact, that basic human nature dictates, not everyone, is going to agree, or feel the same on different controversies. Shouldn't have to, and it's IMPOSSIBLE to think that anyone is totally right or wrong. Too many "grey areas" in this field, but individual input, helps put things into perspective. Another great thing about this List. Personally I, as an individual, greatly admire and respect , and can openly admit, envy, Mike Farmers abiities and wherewithal, to do what he is trying to do in India, against all odds. Plus am very grateful, that he is sharing this adventure and insight, with all of us, as it happens. Real passion, dedication and grit !!! Obviously, I am not a business person. But there are many on-list that are. They make it possible also, in their way, to make available merchandise ( meteorites) to buy. A different, but important, sort of contribution,( because, not everyone can, or wants to be, a Michael Farmer). I'm sure there are some that applaud Matteo's Business coup'e in possibly aquiring a piece of India's latest meteorite, without having to go there and get his hands dirty. Bottom line, no matter where you fit in the spectrum.you fit ! It's all about Meteorites. Look at the bright side Michael and Matteo.It could be worse..thankfully, the likelihood of your future sons and daughters, ever meeting, falling in Love and getting married, making you in-laws, will never be an issue. You have much to be Thankful for. Past: Romeo + Juliet , not that far past : Hatfield's and McCoy's, future: Farmer's and Chinellato's. Perish the thought!! Thank your Lucky Stars, for the Atlantic Ocean ! Best to All, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Report from the scene
Dear Matteo; As a list member I fully agree with Dave Andrews acessment and statements of your situation.. We all have our own personalities, and that tends to be a great thing (believe it or not). It keeps the list from becoming so scientifically boring that we may sleep through the next meteor shower. Our meteorite education, and life's education is enhanced by our diversity found here. But, this incessant bickering toward Mike Farmer is getting annoying. Mike is a bit different yes, but so am I, and so many others. Mike has always delivered meteorites to me on time and no excuses, ever! Your difference with Mike and others is becoming disruptive. You make me miss Michael Casper for his uniqueness in personality. As you would say, BAH! Mellow out dude! My delete finger is tired of the continued whine. Your posts are to me, like a noisy screen door in the wind! As for ebay; yes, many, many are out of "good form", but we MUST be tender-handed and NEVER jeopardize the IMCA group by tormenting either ebay or individual bogus sellers, no matter how fraudulent the offerings. I too apologize in advance if I have offended anyone other than "you-know-who". Dave F. (the other-other dave who wished he had cool initials like DNA) DNAndrews wrote: OK Matteo, you asked for it. I think you should back off of all your "meteorwrongs" on eBay crap. "Frankly Scarlet, I don't give a damn!" You are giving the IMCA a bad name with all your harrassment. Second of all, you may despise the US collector/dealers, but most deliver their product without blaming the Italian Post Office for not arriving as planned (or at all). Third of all, over here, you buy something, you pay for it. That's just the way it goesthe American (and every other country's) way. That goes for the UK (which is part of Europe, last I checked) as well. Don't play "Miss Goody-Two-Shoes" around here with me. I'm sorry, but I couldn't take any more babble from this YOU. I apologize if I have offended anyone other than "you-know-who". Put me down for a Farmer votehe may be "hot-headed" but at least he's: willing to take a risk, be punctual, and deliver. Dave M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: or who is tired of you and your arrogance emailsprobably never you see here in list write in pubblic a opinion on you of a member, but is suffice for me to know who it is against of you, and bushels getting tired a lot of persons with your arrogance. Come one members, write in pubblic it does thought of it of this character, have for case fear of him? Stop to broken me or the spam box is ready for you. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ebay descriptions - GOD help us
AMEN ! Believe me, I hate eBay! Take it somewhere else. As for the pieces that are being hawked there, let the buyer beware. And also any serious collector knows the source and the quality. IMCA exists to help new collectors become acquainted with those that know the field and what to collect. Simple? Steve Schoner/ams IMCA #4470 Randy Mils <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi List, Just taking a poll, am I the only one who gets irritated at all the ebay crap that is on this list? Now, we are not only complaining about the authenticity of a piece but the description too? You have to be kidding. Perhaps you need a hobby other than inspecting the wording of ebay auctions. Leave ebay alone and let the buyer beware. Damn, if I ain't getting tired of all this crap. Get a life for crying out loud. Randy >From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "meteorite-list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay descriptions >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:32:58 -0700 > >Hello List, Just taking a poll, am I the only one who gets irritated at some >peoples ebay descriptions? It is so strange how some sellers have only >"museum quality" meteorites whether it is a 40 pound SA or a 20g rusted >Nantan. Others, everything is "HUGE" or "GIGANTIC" even if it is a 12g iron. > What ever happen to truth in advertising? Do some people just not have it >in them to be honest? Are they so desperate to make a sell that they have to >lie? I personally will not buy from sellers that have to use deception to >sell a meteorite. If it's a case of them just not knowing, then they should >spend a few minutes looking around ebay! : ) >Thanks, Tom >Peregrineflier <>< >The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > > > >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Report from the scene
Michael, With the exception of the initial Matteo rant, which kind of turned me off, the India trip report I find very interesting. Keep this up; these on site field reports. That is where you shine. Steve Schoner/ams Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi everyone, internet here is little better than smokesignals, it has taken me almost 2 hours to go through50 emails, so slow, and Matteo's crying like a 2 yearold baby. Matteo, shut the hell up, PLEASE, if I seeanother email about "Other people is make prices ruin"I will have to beat the hell out of you when I see you(Just kidding, but only a little).OKI am in the strewnfield. I have a small piece of the meteorite. IT is an Hchondrite and similar to Zag, veining andslickensides. There is EXTREME flooding here, all parts are underwater, there is NO HOPE of recovering more materialunless it is simply in a village and not known aboutyet. the strewnfield is some miles long, travelingbetween two villages that the local assured me wereonly 5 km apart by air took over 2 hours by road (ifyou can call it that). India is beautiful and horribleat the same time. The road is covered with untoldthousands of people, dogs, cows, goats, etc, NONE ofwhich move or are even slightly annoyed by theincessant use of the horn, we actually ran over a dogsfoot yesterday, he would not move until the car ranright over him. I felt sorry for it but then again ifanything is that stupid.I also wish I had a gun with me, to put some of thestupidist creature on the planet (The cow) out oftheir misery (or ignorant bliss) whichever it is.There are thousands of them, laying in the roads, carsjust go around them whereever possible. the entire area is flooded, and I mean bad, hundredsof thousands of miles under water, looks like theocean with small patched of trees and huts standingout of it. Roads are almost not more than small trailswith everyone and everything blocking them.Most of the meteorite has been taken by the police, Iam working on tracking down a couple of pieces, but itlooks hopeless as it takes me 6 hours to get to thearea even though it is only 70 miles away, the maxspees is about 10 miles an hour on the highway andabout 2 miles an hour on the village route. these are small villages, I mean aobut 10 famileseach, no electricity, nothing more than some mud hutsin a land of mud. I had to go on motorcycle for a fewmiles last night with a spectacular lightning show inthe distance, it was the most eery and beatiful driveI have ever taken, the flooded swampland, cool wind,nice people and all made me fell like I was in somesort of 16 th century expedition. When we got to thevillage, the people showed me where a 6-8 kilo stonefell, coming down right down the slanted roof of ahut, denting in the grass roof and making a largecrater at the base of the hut. That stone was taken 2days ago, but I have two competing guys traking downthe person who took it, to get it for me. We will seeif this hut smasher comes home with me. I do have a 13gram fragment of it, (They smashed it). The meteoriteis like Zag, large veins and slickensides.The 6 hour trip back to town last night was the mostharrowing of my life, I would say at least 50 nearhead on collisions with giant trucks, busses, allwithout lights, cars on the wrong side of the road,washed out roads, cows of course (and they would muchrather drive off a cliff and die than kill a cowhere!).there should be hundreds of stones, but it is allrivers and swamps and rice paddies, all under severalfeet of water, so virtually none will be recovered.I saw photos of the 5 kilo stone, very nice. Anyway, sorry for the format of this email, but usingthe computer here is not easy.Anyone thinking of coming to get some, forget it, asit is, with my 13 gram piece, i will have paid over$400.00 gram for my piece! But I will have memories ofa lifetime of this hunt, which doing it alone, Ialready consider by far my most exotic andinteresting. the people in the villages do not speak english orHindi, but Orissi, a local tribal language. the meteorite fell only about 1/2 mile from the Bay ofBengal (but now it seems to be in the Bay of bengalwith everything under water anyway). I will post more info as soon as I can. Mike FarmerMeteorite HunterWriting from Orissa India.__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
[meteorite-list] mike farmer
You know with all the slamming going on of everyone and every thing, it is a nice breath of fresh air to see someone like MIKE FARMER doing what he is doing.I thank him totally with all my being going out to places that I never care to go to.Being out of work and making my priorities a full time job just looking for a full time job,this has really gotten me a chance to look back and see how much I appreciate what MIKE is doing for our great hobby.I am a simple ,but very PASSIONATE collecter, as you all know.But I also know that this list is consisted of alot of great people, especially the brainy types who have been doing this hobby for a living for along time.It just GUTS me when I see people slam others for what ever reason, when they are out there busting their ASS to bring back new specimens so we can all continue to enjoy this hobby that we so love.I hope mike will continue to do what he does for along time.Being only 32 he has alot more energy to do that than I being 49.I save my energy for the bedroom : ) Way to go mike.I look forward to seeing that new meteorite.And keep up the great job that you do so well. steve arnold, illinois meteorites chicago, ill. usa!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ebay descriptions - GOD help us
Hi List, Just taking a poll, am I the only one who gets irritated at all the ebay crap that is on this list? Now, we are not only complaining about the authenticity of a piece but the description too? You have to be kidding. Perhaps you need a hobby other than inspecting the wording of ebay auctions. Leave ebay alone and let the buyer beware. Damn, if I ain't getting tired of all this crap. Get a life for crying out loud. Randy >From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "meteorite-list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [meteorite-list] ebay descriptions >Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 14:32:58 -0700 > >Hello List, Just taking a poll, am I the only one who gets irritated at some >peoples ebay descriptions? It is so strange how some sellers have only >"museum quality" meteorites whether it is a 40 pound SA or a 20g rusted >Nantan. Others, everything is "HUGE" or "GIGANTIC" even if it is a 12g iron. > What ever happen to truth in advertising? Do some people just not have it >in them to be honest? Are they so desperate to make a sell that they have to >lie? I personally will not buy from sellers that have to use deception to >sell a meteorite. If it's a case of them just not knowing, then they should >spend a few minutes looking around ebay! : ) >Thanks, Tom >Peregrineflier <>< >The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > > > >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Report from the scene
I have asked an opinion to you? You go to read my feedbacks on ebay and write me where is my delays in the delivery of a pack, not even one. Instead with other here present persons of delays of it quite I had, and above all people that has taken the money and never sent the material, I repeat, I monitor all the Italian customs and know if the package is passed or no. Besides, I find a what absolutely indecent that I pay a meteorite the next day won it on Ebay, and this should be sent who knows when because the person is known, does not answer immediately and does it after months. Well to this person arrives immediately the negative feedback and I warning also Ebay, thing that I do between few days after have informed it for the umpteenth time via email, seen I have pay the auction in the 25 August. The reliability of some dealers here inside is not for good nothing. Besides I would want actual to know where I would have abused the name IMCA, seen that I inform only the list of the fake meteorites on sale on ebay. Matteo --- DNAndrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK Matteo, you asked for it. I think you should back > off of all your > "meteorwrongs" on eBay crap. "Frankly Scarlet, I > don't give a damn!" You > are giving the IMCA a bad name with all your > harrassment. Second of all, > you may despise the US collector/dealers, but most > deliver their product > without blaming the Italian Post Office for not > arriving as planned (or > at all). Third of all, over here, you buy something, > you pay for it. > That's just the way it goesthe American (and > every other country's) > way. That goes for the UK (which is part of Europe, > last I checked) as > well. Don't play "Miss Goody-Two-Shoes" around here > with me. > > I'm sorry, but I couldn't take any more babble from > this YOU. I > apologize if I have offended anyone other than > "you-know-who". > > Put me down for a Farmer votehe may be > "hot-headed" but at least > he's: willing to take a risk, be punctual, and > deliver. > > Dave > > M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: > > >or who is tired of you and your arrogance > >emailsprobably never you see here in list write > in > >pubblic a opinion on you of a member, but is > suffice > >for me to know who it is against of you, and > bushels > >getting tired a lot of persons with your arrogance. > >Come one members, write in pubblic it does thought > of > >it of this character, have for case fear of him? > Stop > >to broken me or the spam box is ready for you. > > > > > > = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ebay descriptions
I agree that categories like "huge", "museum quality" ect. are subjective attributes. - a 10g Tatahouine is indeed huge, a 10g Campo isn't - for a small collector a 500g stone is huge and I found in some museum exhibitions some ugly rusted pieces too... And even "oriented" can be interpreted in different manners, although there is a tendency in ebay to praise everything as "oriented" which is not round and smooth like a bowling ball. With "fusion crust" it's completely different, it's a specific criterion of quality and thus of value too. I don't want to impute to those not so experienced sellers, that they use it to cheat the buyers - in most cases they just don't know it better and copy for example the flourish of the "black bluish fusion crust" from the descriptions of the dealers or because they found it in a book, although their pieces are totally cleaned down or tumbled. What would you say, if somebody sells you a car with air condition and it turns out that the air condition is in fact nothing else than the possibility to open the window? A specific European problem in ebay is now, that by a new law a seller can exlude all guarantees in claiming his auction as a "private sale" and many do so. And I'm sick and tired of telling to all those beginning collectors among my clients, which proudly show me their recent ebay acquiries, that their Nantans don't have regmaglyptes, that their Canyons don't have fusion crust, that their Campos don't have flow lines, that their NWA fragments aren't oriented... A few were so dissapointed, that they quit collecting... And there are a few sellers, who know exactely what they're doing. One f.e. in german ebay, who is selling Sikhote writes: There are two different types of Sikhote-Alin: Individuals, which show fine regmaglypts and fusion crust and shrapnells, which don't have fusion crust. Here you're bidding on a individual with fine regmaglypts full stop. And piff! the picture shows an overcleaned individual. Well he doesn't write explicitely, that his specimens do have fusion crust, but isn't it a little bit misleading? (uh it's an IMCA member). Anyway, perhaps smth more interesting for those which are bored by this ebay discussions: There is a funny evolution going on in german ebay concerning terminology: In German there exists no adequate single word to translate "Individual" (a more or less whole specimen vs. "fragment", "partslice"...). Some translate it as "Individuum", which means in german a single person or invent a new word "Individualstück" or smth. similar. Because Sikhote is the predominant locality in german ebay and more and more not so experienced sellers try to make some bucks with Sikhote and you find on the english spoken webpages Sikhote offered in most cases as "individual" and "shrapnel", and because those inadequate translations into german sounds totally unknown, thus like a terminus technicus, to those novice sellers, now "individual" and "shrapnel" are used as true antonyms! With sometimes such funny consequences, that you can read in a description, that "this stone is not a cheap shrapnel". If my englich wouldn't be so poor, I would finish this message with a bon mot of Bismarck. "One lies never as much as before the election, during the war and after the hunt." ...AND IN EBAY!! Martin A. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ebay descriptions > We do have a standard for that. It's called a guarantee. We all have > different levels of experience and expertee's, not to mention eyesight. > Feedback and research help but they can be misleading as well. Nothing can > replace an established reputation of honesty and quality. Labels and > terminology are helpful but are also open to interpretation. You can't can so > many variables like chicken soup. > > Bill Kieskowski > > > > Hi list, and we need urgently another standard for those, who claim > > everything, which has as outside a different colour than inside to be fusion > > crusted or crusted. > > > > Proposal: > > > > "rind" vs. "(fusion) crust" > > > > Thanks too. > > Martin A. > > > > > > > Hello List, I have part of this figured out. We need a standard! For > > > example; > > > > > > FOR IRONS and common chondrites > > > > > > > > > 0g to 10g = tiny > > > 11g to 25g = Small > > > 26g to 50g = medium > > > 51g to 100g = nice sized > > > 100g to 1 kilo = big > > > > > > For rare stuff ; > > > > > > 1mg to 10th gram = small > > > 10thg to 1g= medium > > > 1g or more= large > > > > > > Thanks, Tom > > > Peregrineflier <>< > > > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > > > - Original Message - > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > ___
Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Report from the scene
OK Matteo, you asked for it. I think you should back off of all your "meteorwrongs" on eBay crap. "Frankly Scarlet, I don't give a damn!" You are giving the IMCA a bad name with all your harrassment. Second of all, you may despise the US collector/dealers, but most deliver their product without blaming the Italian Post Office for not arriving as planned (or at all). Third of all, over here, you buy something, you pay for it. That's just the way it goesthe American (and every other country's) way. That goes for the UK (which is part of Europe, last I checked) as well. Don't play "Miss Goody-Two-Shoes" around here with me. I'm sorry, but I couldn't take any more babble from this YOU. I apologize if I have offended anyone other than "you-know-who". Put me down for a Farmer votehe may be "hot-headed" but at least he's: willing to take a risk, be punctual, and deliver. Dave M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: or who is tired of you and your arrogance emailsprobably never you see here in list write in pubblic a opinion on you of a member, but is suffice for me to know who it is against of you, and bushels getting tired a lot of persons with your arrogance. Come one members, write in pubblic it does thought of it of this character, have for case fear of him? Stop to broken me or the spam box is ready for you. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] ebay descriptions
We do have a standard for that. It's called a guarantee. We all have different levels of experience and expertee's, not to mention eyesight. Feedback and research help but they can be misleading as well. Nothing can replace an established reputation of honesty and quality. Labels and terminology are helpful but are also open to interpretation. You can't can so many variables like chicken soup. Bill Kieskowski > Hi list, and we need urgently another standard for those, who claim > everything, which has as outside a different colour than inside to be fusion > crusted or crusted. > > Proposal: > > "rind" vs. "(fusion) crust" > > Thanks too. > Martin A. > > > > Hello List, I have part of this figured out. We need a standard! For > > example; > > > > FOR IRONS and common chondrites > > > > > > 0g to 10g = tiny > > 11g to 25g = Small > > 26g to 50g = medium > > 51g to 100g = nice sized > > 100g to 1 kilo = big > > > > For rare stuff ; > > > > 1mg to 10th gram = small > > 10thg to 1g= medium > > 1g or more= large > > > > Thanks, Tom > > Peregrineflier <>< > > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > > - Original Message - > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ebay descriptions
Hi list, and we need urgently another standard for those, who claim everything, which has as outside a different colour than inside to be fusion crusted or crusted. Proposal: "rind" vs. "(fusion) crust" Thanks too. Martin A. > Hello List, I have part of this figured out. We need a standard! For > example; > > FOR IRONS and common chondrites > > > 0g to 10g = tiny > 11g to 25g = Small > 26g to 50g = medium > 51g to 100g = nice sized > 100g to 1 kilo = big > > For rare stuff ; > > 1mg to 10th gram = small > 10thg to 1g= medium > 1g or more= large > > Thanks, Tom > Peregrineflier <>< > The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 > - Original Message - __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
