Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote Birthday + Favorite Photos
Mark and List, Here are a few SA pictures. http://www.johnkashuba.com/Iron_Sikhote_Alin.html Regards, John Kashuba Ontario, California - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK To: Meteorite List Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sikhote Birthday + Favorite Photos Hello list, Around 10:30 in the mourning February 12, 1947 (57 years ago) in eastern Siberia my favorite of all iron meteorites, fell to earth. I have 6 original newspapers from the era transcribed on my website. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/znpsikhote.html And in the new few days, I will go through my archives more and see what ones I do not have the site yet. I thought I would also share my favorite Sikhote. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colsikhote298g.html It is near not my largest but it was at one time one of my first good sized irons and one of the early Sikhotes. Meaning the Sikhotes that had the early treatmentI think they look better then the present Sikhotes. (For they are all rust ball no doult). The following four sikhotes are also some of my favorite meteorites. Oriented meteorites are cool, and these four I purchased all at one time at one of the Denver shows. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colsikhotegrouplet.html Perhaps others would like to share a photo of their favorite Sikhote. So I ask upon the list, What is your favorite Sikhote? Any cool Sikhote stories? Who has the ugliest Sikhote? C'mon, we want to see it. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 2004 pictures are up !
I wish I had that Country-Western recording stars money so I could buy more meteorites :-) me,me,me,me,me,me Tim - Original Message - From: "David Freeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Tim Heitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 2004 pictures are up ! > DAVE FREEMAN! :-) > > Michael L Blood wrote: > > >Hay Tim, > >Who's that handsome guy on your home page that looks like a > >Country-Western recording star? > >Michael > > > >on 2/13/04 5:20 PM, Tim Heitz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >>BlankThis year my wife Patricia went with me, we had a wonderful time. We > >>didn't get a chance to meet > >>everyone but there is always next year. > >> > >>I still need to put up about 50 more pictures, but time is limited right now. > >> > >>Go to Tucson 2004 PICTURES on the link in blue box.- > >>http://www.meteorman.org/ > >> > >>Thank You, > >>Tim Heitz > >> > >>MIDWEST METEORITES - http://www.meteorman.org/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >-- > >When Jesus said "Love your enemies" I think he probably > >meant don't kill them. > > Anonymous > >-- > >For perspective, try THIS: > >http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.htm l > >-- > >AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. > >http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm > >-- > >Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: > >http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm > >-- > >http://www.costofwar.com/ > >-- > >SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: > >http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html > >-- > >Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: > >http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg > >-- > >- Interactive Lady Liberty: > >http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 2004 pictures are up !
DAVE FREEMAN! :-) Michael L Blood wrote: Hay Tim, Who's that handsome guy on your home page that looks like a Country-Western recording star? Michael on 2/13/04 5:20 PM, Tim Heitz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BlankThis year my wife Patricia went with me, we had a wonderful time. We didn't get a chance to meet everyone but there is always next year. I still need to put up about 50 more pictures, but time is limited right now. Go to Tucson 2004 PICTURES on the link in blue box.- http://www.meteorman.org/ Thank You, Tim Heitz MIDWEST METEORITES - http://www.meteorman.org/ -- When Jesus said "Love your enemies" I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- For perspective, try THIS: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dear god, check this out.
Hi all, This is the nut case that periodically threatens to sue me, several other noted meteorite dealers & John Wasson, the resident meteoriticist at UCLA for our "conspiracy" to deny him his rightful acknowledgement, and therefore, sales, of all the lunar and Martian meteorites he has found on his property. About every 3 months he sends me an email saying he will soon see me in court along with my fellow conspirators. I worry about it constantly, knowing international courts are assembled just waiting to hear such cases. Now, all of you who are making fun of this new discovery are likely to hear from him as well. I guess it will be a HUGE court case! Best wishes, Michael on 2/13/04 5:04 PM, Sterling K. Webb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > What a ridiculous notion!! Million year old mining slag? No way! > I checked with all the Extra Terrestrials I know, and they all > re-assure me that there's been no active mining ventures in the Solar > System since that dreadful incident when SmelterWorld #17 went down (all > the Vorlags were drunk on ozone), and THAT was almost 65 million years > ago! > That was when the Solar System was re-classified as an Endangered > Species Reserve and all commercial mineral eploitation was ended. Oh, > sometimes tourists will sneak past the patrols to search for the Lost > Dutchman Asteroid, but that's about all. > > Sterling > -- > > Charles Viau wrote: > >> Wow all those pages of chemistry, SEM and PIXIE charts some really >> good science and impressive, until the conclusion Million year old >> mining slag left over from Extra Terrestrials smelting in the solar >> system ..Good Grief! >> >> CharlyV >> > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- When Jesus said "Love your enemies" I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- For perspective, try THIS: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 2004 pictures are up !
Hay Tim, Who's that handsome guy on your home page that looks like a Country-Western recording star? Michael on 2/13/04 5:20 PM, Tim Heitz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > BlankThis year my wife Patricia went with me, we had a wonderful time. We > didn't get a chance to meet > everyone but there is always next year. > > I still need to put up about 50 more pictures, but time is limited right now. > > Go to Tucson 2004 PICTURES on the link in blue box.- > http://www.meteorman.org/ > > Thank You, > Tim Heitz > > MIDWEST METEORITES - http://www.meteorman.org/ > > > > -- When Jesus said "Love your enemies" I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- For perspective, try THIS: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What are those blueberries on Mars?
Moqui marbles Rosie - Original Message - From: "Charles Viau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Bjørn Sørheim'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] What are those blueberries on Mars? Those spheres are really something. I am in the camp of them falling into the sediment along with ash. Low gravity ejection of molten volcanic material could be a possibility but I like a tektite type of process from an impact, which seems the likely suspect in the perfect spherical shape, and minimal staining of the surrounding rock. An incoming bolide with an air burst could probably be an answer but what are the odds of landing on such a strewnfield. Any concretion I have ever seen left an irregular spherical shell of stained rock around it, and it does not look like this is the case here (but what the hell do I know about how Mars would deal with such processes). The analysis of the spheres themselves should tell the whole story. Very exciting stuff. CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjørn Sørheim Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 5:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What are those blueberries on Mars? Mark, It certainly is the science team at JPL's idea that the 'round guys' are embedded in the outcrop. For instance Dr. Squyres were talking about wheter they could see the layers curving above or below the balls, or wheter it is possible to see if the balls have made a small dent in the layering when they, possibly, fell down from above. Also the closeup pictures suggest the balls are firmly embedded in there. The big question is how did they all get so perfectly round, and what kind of geologic process would produce such a weird 'bedrock'. Regards, Bjørn Sørheim At 15:40 13.02.04 -0500, you wrote: >> Hello List, >> I guess you all have seen those pictures coming from Mars at the >> the Meridiani Planum/Opportunity site. >> >> Embedded in, and eroding out of the bedrock in the sidewall of the >> 20 m crater where Opportunity is located, are those <5mm perfect >> spherical stones. > >> Regards, >> Bjørn Sørheim >> > >Curious stuff, and this was my initial reaction, too. But, on closer >examination, I remain unconvinced these spherules are actually >weathering out of the exposed bedrock. It looks to me as though they're >everywhere, including on and in the "soil" above the outcrop. Assuming >these things gradually migrate downslope, I don't suppose it is >impossible for some of them to lodge in the cracks and bedding planes of >the exposed rock. > >Stay tuned ... > >Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson 2004 pictures are up !
This year my wife Patricia went with me, we had a wonderful time. We didn't get a chance to meet everyone but there is always next year. I still need to put up about 50 more pictures, but time is limited right now. Go to Tucson 2004 PICTURES on the link in blue box.- http://www.meteorman.org/ Thank You, Tim Heitz MIDWEST METEORITES - http://www.meteorman.org/ <>
Re: FW: [meteorite-list] Dear god, check this out.
What a ridiculous notion!! Million year old mining slag? No way! I checked with all the Extra Terrestrials I know, and they all re-assure me that there's been no active mining ventures in the Solar System since that dreadful incident when SmelterWorld #17 went down (all the Vorlags were drunk on ozone), and THAT was almost 65 million years ago! That was when the Solar System was re-classified as an Endangered Species Reserve and all commercial mineral eploitation was ended. Oh, sometimes tourists will sneak past the patrols to search for the Lost Dutchman Asteroid, but that's about all. Sterling -- Charles Viau wrote: > Wow all those pages of chemistry, SEM and PIXIE charts some really > good science and impressive, until the conclusion Million year old > mining slag left over from Extra Terrestrials smelting in the solar > system ..Good Grief! > > CharlyV > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] What are those blueberries on Mars?
Those spheres are really something. I am in the camp of them falling into the sediment along with ash. Low gravity ejection of molten volcanic material could be a possibility but I like a tektite type of process from an impact, which seems the likely suspect in the perfect spherical shape, and minimal staining of the surrounding rock. An incoming bolide with an air burst could probably be an answer but what are the odds of landing on such a strewnfield. Any concretion I have ever seen left an irregular spherical shell of stained rock around it, and it does not look like this is the case here (but what the hell do I know about how Mars would deal with such processes). The analysis of the spheres themselves should tell the whole story. Very exciting stuff. CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjørn Sørheim Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 5:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What are those blueberries on Mars? Mark, It certainly is the science team at JPL's idea that the 'round guys' are embedded in the outcrop. For instance Dr. Squyres were talking about wheter they could see the layers curving above or below the balls, or wheter it is possible to see if the balls have made a small dent in the layering when they, possibly, fell down from above. Also the closeup pictures suggest the balls are firmly embedded in there. The big question is how did they all get so perfectly round, and what kind of geologic process would produce such a weird 'bedrock'. Regards, Bjørn Sørheim At 15:40 13.02.04 -0500, you wrote: >> Hello List, >> I guess you all have seen those pictures coming from Mars at the >> the Meridiani Planum/Opportunity site. >> >> Embedded in, and eroding out of the bedrock in the sidewall of the >> 20 m crater where Opportunity is located, are those <5mm perfect >> spherical stones. > >> Regards, >> Bjørn Sørheim >> > >Curious stuff, and this was my initial reaction, too. But, on closer >examination, I remain unconvinced these spherules are actually >weathering out of the exposed bedrock. It looks to me as though they're >everywhere, including on and in the "soil" above the outcrop. Assuming >these things gradually migrate downslope, I don't suppose it is >impossible for some of them to lodge in the cracks and bedding planes of >the exposed rock. > >Stay tuned ... > >Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What are those blueberries on Mars?
Hi Bjorn and List They are interesting. Two things come to mind for spherical rocks. One, you mentioned wind, and you might know theres an area where the rocks seem to move and leave these curious "tracks" of they're movement across the ground. It was finally found that wind moved them as it gusted across the area. So, with the wind speeds possible on Mars, its very possible to tumble and wind abrade things very well. The other I thought of requires a body of water. In this also, a change needed to occur so that oolitic type precipitation could form ( oolites are small round carbonate balls formed as material precipitates out of solution and layers form increasing the size). It is interesting and will be fun to learn what the rover says about them. Mark - Original Message - From: "Bjørn Sørheim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] What are those blueberries on Mars? > Hello List, > I guess you all have seen those pictures coming from Mars at the > the Meridiani Planum/Opportunity site. > > Embedded in, and eroding out of the bedrock in the sidewall of the > 20 m crater where Opportunity is located, are those <5mm perfect > spherical stones. > They have a different colour than the finely layered matrix they sits in. > The geologist Steven Squyers said that there were 3 theories about them > among the scientists at JPL - the 3rd one, by now almost discarded: > > 1) They are concretions in the layered deposits, that formed slowly > after the deposists had been made, probably by water circulating through > them and slowly crystalizing. > 2) They are balls made from molten material flung up in the atmosphere > either by volcanic eruptions or large crater forming impacts. > 3) They are volcanic 'lapilli' formed as growing spherical balls from > ash coming out of an erupting volcano. Since these small balls (blueish) > as photographed by Opportunity, has a different color than the deposits > they are located in, this seems less likely. > > So what are your theories, any thoughts? > Another theory: Could they be rock fragments rounded by the movements by > the wind in fine deposits through millions of years at the surface? > > Link to picture: > http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA05235.jpg > http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/targetFamily/Mars (More pictures) > > Regards, > Bjørn Sørheim > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - February 13, 2004
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html Update: Spirit and Opportunity SPIRIT UPDATE: Movin' Towards "Mimi" - sol 40, Feb 13, 2004 Spirit woke up to its 40th sol on Mars to the song "What a Wonderful World" by Louis Armstrong and then proceeded to have a wonderful sol which ended at 7:59 a.m. Friday, PST. After utilizing the miniature thermal emission spectrometer instrument on surrounding soil and completing some pre-drive imaging with the panoramic camera, Spirit proceeded 90 centimeters (2.95 feet) towards a collection of rocks called "Stone Council." The drive lasted less than five minutes. After completing the drive, Spirit imaged several rocks with the panoramic camera, and completed a mosaic of the area in front and to the left of itself. On sol 41, which will end at 8:39 a.m. Saturday, PST, Spirit will be repositioned in front of the flaky rock called "Mimi" in preparation for placing its instrument deployment device on that rock during sol 42. OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Intending to Trench - sol 19, Feb 12, 2004 During its 19th sol on Mars, which ends at 7:41 p.m. Thursday, PST, Opportunity climbed to Waypoint Charlie, where it will complete its initial survey of the outcrop nicknamed "Opportunity Ledge." The flight team at JPL chose 'Here I Go Again' by Whitesnake as Opportunity's wake-up music. The plan for sol 20, which will end at 8:20 p.m. Friday, PST, is to do a "touch and go," meaning Opportunity will touch the soil with its instrument arm around the outpost area Charlie, then stow the arm and drive. It will head for an area of soil that the rover's miniature thermal emission spectrometer indicates is rich in hematite. Over the following few sols, engineers intend to use one of Opportunity's wheels to spin into the soil and "trench" a shallow hole so scientists can check what's below the surface early next week. Knowing more about the hematite distribution on Mars may help scientists characterize the past environment and determine whether that environment provided favorable conditions for life. Scientists and engineers will pore over the data collected along Opportunity Ledge this week to target a return trip to the most interesting science locations along the outcrop later next week. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What are those blueberries on Mars?
Thanks Bjorn. I missed Dr. Squyres comments. Certain terrestrial limestones are oolitic, but it sounds as though JPL is looking for evidence of so-called "dropstones." I wonder where the spheroids evident in the soil ABOVE the outcrop came from. Perhaps younger sedimentary layers have already weathered away. Very interesting stuff. Mark > Mark, > It certainly is the science team at JPL's idea that > the 'round guys' are embedded in the outcrop. > For instance Dr. Squyres were talking about wheter they could > see the layers curving above or below the balls, or wheter it is > possible to see if the balls have made a small dent in the layering > when they, possibly, fell down from above. > Also the closeup pictures suggest the balls are firmly embedded > in there. > The big question is how did they all get so perfectly round, and > what kind of geologic process would produce such a weird 'bedrock'. > > Regards, > Bjørn Sørheim > > > At 15:40 13.02.04 -0500, you wrote: > >> Hello List, > >> I guess you all have seen those pictures coming from Mars at the > >> the Meridiani Planum/Opportunity site. > >> > >> Embedded in, and eroding out of the bedrock in the sidewall of the > >> 20 m crater where Opportunity is located, are those <5mm perfect > >> spherical stones. > > > >> Regards, > >> Bjørn Sørheim > >> > > > >Curious stuff, and this was my initial reaction, too. But, on closer > >examination, I remain unconvinced these spherules are actually > >weathering out of the exposed bedrock. It looks to me as though they're > >everywhere, including on and in the "soil" above the outcrop. Assuming > >these things gradually migrate downslope, I don't suppose it is > >impossible for some of them to lodge in the cracks and bedding planes of > >the exposed rock. > > > >Stay tuned ... > > > >Mark > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- CoreComm Webmail. http://home.core.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What are those blueberries on Mars?
Mark, It certainly is the science team at JPL's idea that the 'round guys' are embedded in the outcrop. For instance Dr. Squyres were talking about wheter they could see the layers curving above or below the balls, or wheter it is possible to see if the balls have made a small dent in the layering when they, possibly, fell down from above. Also the closeup pictures suggest the balls are firmly embedded in there. The big question is how did they all get so perfectly round, and what kind of geologic process would produce such a weird 'bedrock'. Regards, Bjørn Sørheim At 15:40 13.02.04 -0500, you wrote: >> Hello List, >> I guess you all have seen those pictures coming from Mars at the >> the Meridiani Planum/Opportunity site. >> >> Embedded in, and eroding out of the bedrock in the sidewall of the >> 20 m crater where Opportunity is located, are those <5mm perfect >> spherical stones. > >> Regards, >> Bjørn Sørheim >> > >Curious stuff, and this was my initial reaction, too. But, on closer >examination, I remain unconvinced these spherules are actually >weathering out of the exposed bedrock. It looks to me as though they're >everywhere, including on and in the "soil" above the outcrop. Assuming >these things gradually migrate downslope, I don't suppose it is >impossible for some of them to lodge in the cracks and bedding planes of >the exposed rock. > >Stay tuned ... > >Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images - February 9-13, 2004
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES February 9-13, 2004 o Water Ripples (Released 9 February 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040209A.html o Waves on a Martian Beach (Released 10 February 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040210A.html o Desert Island (Released 11 February 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040211A.html o Bubbles (Released 12 February 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040212A.html o Black Rain (Released 13 February 2004) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040213A.html All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in collaboration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What are those blueberries on Mars?
Bjørn Sørheim wrote: They must be evidence of life, it takes balls to live on Mars. On another subject: Thanks to all who stopped by Mike's and my room at the show. It was nice meeting everyone again and trying to remember everybodies (anybodies) name. It was a lot of fun, but I am glad it is over for another year. See you all again in 2005. Also I am dropping my AOL email address so please contact me in the future at [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Eric Olson with "O" in the Olson not an "e". ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: FW: [meteorite-list] Dear god, check this out.
Hi Charles and all, Million year old mining slag left over from Extra Terrestrials smelting in the solar system ..Good Grief! If some of this ET Slag falls to Earth would it be called a Slagtite :-) --AL
Re: [meteorite-list] What are those blueberries on Mars?
> Hello List, > I guess you all have seen those pictures coming from Mars at the > the Meridiani Planum/Opportunity site. > > Embedded in, and eroding out of the bedrock in the sidewall of the > 20 m crater where Opportunity is located, are those <5mm perfect > spherical stones. > Regards, > Bjørn Sørheim > Curious stuff, and this was my initial reaction, too. But, on closer examination, I remain unconvinced these spherules are actually weathering out of the exposed bedrock. It looks to me as though they're everywhere, including on and in the "soil" above the outcrop. Assuming these things gradually migrate downslope, I don't suppose it is impossible for some of them to lodge in the cracks and bedding planes of the exposed rock. Stay tuned ... Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT; Italian translation help?
LOL Ken. Don't you just love it when ebay translates your message into another language. I have one from Belgium. Chère/Cher brahin90, J'enverrai sous peu un paiement de $13.50 par Autres modes de paiement en ligne. Total : $13.50 L'adresse de livraison est la suivante : I await my NWA 1810 is an EL5. Rosie - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Tom AKA James Knudson'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite-List (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:16 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] OT; Italian translation help? > Hi Tom & List > > I translated on a software translator that I reckon must be similar to > Matteo's ! > +++ > original : > > Caro Tom > Vorrei pagare tramite Western Union, mi poui mandare il tuo indirizzo > esatto, > e l'importo totale. > Grazie > > becomes : > > Tom beloved I would want to pay through Union Western, me poui to send > your exact address, and the amount total. Thanks > > +++ > > See what I mean :-) > > > All the best > > Ken O'Neill > IMCA #9465 > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom AKA > James Knudson > Sent: 13 February 2004 15:43 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [meteorite-list] OT; Italian translation help? > > > Hello, Can anyone translate this for me? > > Caro Tom > Vorrei pagare tramite Western Union, mi poui mandare il tuo indirizzo > esatto, > e l'importo totale. > Grazie > > Thanks, Tom > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin
Hmm.. Charles.. That is an interesting thought, You are right. Volcanoes can throw it up for sure. Mt St Helen dust was all over the place down here. Another thought I had...watch out. That the trinitite was formed in a sandy area ( White Sands). Elma is in Washington ( sandy ocean beaches) Iran ( open sandy deserts). Is there a common ground here ( no pun ). I have heard of lightening strikes on the Dunes in Colorado ( sandy mountains) and fulgurites forms from the fusion. Has there been any analysis between the geometeorite and fulgurites? or am I stretching here? Thanks for the thoughts Charles. Rosie - Original Message - From: "Charles Viau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 8:16 AM Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin > > Rosie, et al... > > That was interesting, and I read some of that as well. Another > possibility, and bit of a stretch.. but plausible: Just like we have > Martian meteorites here on earth, so would we not have some of the > ejecta from our terrestrial impacts also in orbit around the Sun, and > should we not expect some of our own material to come back to earth as > well? The question is what would material like that look like, and how > would it analyze? It should have characteristics of both terrestrial > matter, and matter that has been exposed to cosmic rays, with a fusion > crust from re-entry I would imagine. How could we prove (or disprove) > the origin of this material? Just another thought.. > > CharlyV > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosemary > Hackney > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:34 PM > To: Adam Hupe; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin > > Hello Adam, et al... Sorry I missed everyone at Tucson. Had the flu bug > or > some virus. Still is hanging on 3-4 weeks now. Doc said I would > live..lol. > I hope Michael forgave me for not showing up.. I tried to recruit Dean > in my > place. > Yes Tom.. I have some nice new ones :-) > A 8.6 gram Drakes Creek from Tennessee. An area near me. Is pretty. And > a > Huss Anthony I just won. > > But back to the Elma... When I was around White Sands, I went to the > back > side to the Trinity site. I found a little rock shop outside the > boundary. > They had Trinitite form the Trinity site. I bought some of it. The Elma > reminds me of the Trinitite in composition and appearance. > > As to the Geometeorites.. There is a nice article on the internet about > geometeorites. Just plug Geometeorite into a search engine. The > physicist > who wrote this article seemed to think Elma was a geometeorite. The > explanation made sense to me. From what I understand, it is formed when > Lightening fuses material aloft in the upper atmosphere. It stands to > reason material would be aloft from tornadoes or wind sheer or frontal > winds. When lightening strikes the material, it fuses into glass like > objects that fall out of the atmosphere... like meteorites.. ergo > "geometeorite" because the material was terrestrial in origin. > > Anyway...just a thought. > > Rosie > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin > > > > Dear Charles, Rosemary and List, > > > > Dr. Andrei Ol'khovatov from Moscow, Russia weighed in on the Elma > incident > > and came to the same conclusion, a geometeorite was to blame. It is > amazing > > how similar the two events are. The kid with the burnt fingers in > Elma > and > > a kid with a burnt face in Iran. Three laboratories weighed in on the > Elma > > incident. Two believe it to be a geophysical event and one believes > there > > is a more earthly explanation. To me it is an unsolved mystery. I > stopped > > commenting in public because there is no way to prove what happened > either > > way and it was causing some grief with a few List members. > > > > All the best, > > > > Adam Hupe > > The Hupe Collection > > IMCA 2185 > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Charles Viau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'Meteorite Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:53 PM > > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical > Origin > > > > > > > It very well could be related, and why it was so important to > properly > > > document the Elma incident, even though all of the 'experts' gave > the > > > principal investigators such grief. This is what science is all > about. I > > > would hope that there are some geo-physicists out there that will > want > > > to pull some of this material together from those 3 sources and look > for > > > similarities. The people who witnessed such events were not stupid, > nor > > > were they having any hallucinations. > > > > > >
[meteorite-list] NWA1836, "Twisted Sister", Achondrite (cumulate eucrite, monomict)
Dear List, We've listed the Twisted Sister on Ebay, 2225560071, since she was refused entry on the plane to Tucson due to security reasons, (She was too big, and probably too beautiful!!), and missed Michael Bloods auction. Auction begins at 1545PST. Thanks Nels
RE: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin
The ‘bit of a stretch” comment in the same context as ” just like we have Martian meteorites” is intentional. The gravitational forces on the Earth are higher, and there is a dense atmosphere related to Mars. It takes a much bigger impactor on earth to eject material at escape velocity than it would on Mars. Therefore, the amount of available material that could possibly find it’s way back to Earth would be much less and should be rather rare. Who knows: as rare as a Venusian meteorite? No one has every classified one but you can bet your helmet that they are here somewhere. We only know that Mars and Lunar materials are here because we have been to those places and analyzed the chemical and geological properties of rocks, which were mostly basalts. The angle of impact would not be that important with an impactor like Chixilub, Sudbury, Vredfort, Chesapeake and probably Manicouagan. The size of these bodies would eject material even on a zenith trajectory. They would also punch such a vacuum hole in the atmosphere that it would suck out great quantities of molten matter that would go into earth orbit and most likely reenter the atmosphere producing tektites. The point here is that it does not require an extreme amount of physics to understand that there are pieces of this entire solar system all over the place. We just have to look at all of the impact craters that we can see in our neighborhood to understand that every planet has probably traded material with every other over the course of the last 4 billion years. CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 11:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin This topic was discussed a few weeks ago on the list, and it seems pretty convincing that Earth parented meteorites are elusive for good scientific reasoning - it seems that if conditions to produce them happened, that the material would be glass or a split planet Earth (a la did the moon come from Earth question we had recently). While it may be possible (though statistically highly improbable), it is important not to say it is "a bit of a stretch", "just like we have Martian meteorites here". Those statements taken together are misleading, to say the least. It is important to recognize that Earth and Mars are so different regarding atmospheric density (over 100X) / viscosity and to a much lesser degree gravity, that such an analogy is not based on astronomy and physics, but rather wishful thinking, with a general ignoring of scientific principles - i.e. a solution (Earth parented meteorites exist because I can think it and there are Martian meteorites here) looking for a problem (Why no one has ever confirmed an Earth parented meteorite). Extending that logic, I would ask where the Solar parented meteorites are at, and while we are at it the Jovian parented and Venusian parented meteorites as well. The conditions on Mars simply do not lend themselves for comparison to Earth. Venus is a better comparison for Earth. Perhaps someone could work out the physics to show what sort of impactor on Earth is capable of causings something besides glass and giving it escape velocity. Without doing the physics, it is clear it would have to be a kilometer plus sized impactor imparting in an instant to a kilometer plus sized Earth rock escape velocity plus frictional loss velocity, which further does not explode with that velocity at sea level as it makes its way through the exponientially most dense part of the atmosphere (i.e. a "reverse meteorite") at a right or obtuse angle to the impact (which tends to create a velocity vector landing back on Earth). While this might sound "plausible", for an impactor to produce a kilometer plus sized rock with such a velocity seems nearly impossible, knowing the characteristics of Earth surface features. To actually achieve the above, either ground zero has to become liquid or plasma eventually producing glasses, for which there is some evidence in tektites, or Earth must be split like a nut, for which the Moon was presented as evidence in such a hypothethised impact around 4.5 billion years ago So that would leave a scenario of a gigantic impactor hitting near the base of a Mount Everest made of solid iron or other high tensile type structure, incoming at a low entry angle, and propelling the peak into outer space. In the case of Mars objects over 10 meters (but probably in the realm 500 km) can impact whole much more readily and produce "reverse meteorites" with the initial velocities potentially conducive to this event which can escape more readily as gravity (and hence resulting escape velocities) is less than 40% Earth's. Furthermore Mars is closer to the Asteroid belt and is expected to have more flux of such potential impacts. Saludos Doug Dawn Mexico En un m
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RE: [meteorite-list] OT; Italian translation help?
Hi Tom & List I translated on a software translator that I reckon must be similar to Matteo's ! +++ original : Caro Tom Vorrei pagare tramite Western Union, mi poui mandare il tuo indirizzo esatto, e l'importo totale. Grazie becomes : Tom beloved I would want to pay through Union Western, me poui to send your exact address, and the amount total. Thanks +++ See what I mean :-) All the best Ken O'Neill IMCA #9465 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom AKA James Knudson Sent: 13 February 2004 15:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] OT; Italian translation help? Hello, Can anyone translate this for me? Caro Tom Vorrei pagare tramite Western Union, mi poui mandare il tuo indirizzo esatto, e l'importo totale. Grazie Thanks, Tom __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin
This topic was discussed a few weeks ago on the list, and it seems pretty convincing that Earth parented meteorites are elusive for good scientific reasoning - it seems that if conditions to produce them happened, that the material would be glass or a split planet Earth (a la did the moon come from Earth question we had recently). While it may be possible (though statistically highly improbable), it is important not to say it is "a bit of a stretch", "just like we have Martian meteorites here". Those statements taken together are misleading, to say the least. It is important to recognize that Earth and Mars are so different regarding atmospheric density (over 100X) / viscosity and to a much lesser degree gravity, that such an analogy is not based on astronomy and physics, but rather wishful thinking, with a general ignoring of scientific principles - i.e. a solution (Earth parented meteorites exist because I can think it and there are Martian meteorites here) looking for a problem (Why no one has ever confirmed an Earth parented meteorite). Extending that logic, I would ask where the Solar parented meteorites are at, and while we are at it the Jovian parented and Venusian parented meteorites as well. The conditions on Mars simply do not lend themselves for comparison to Earth. Venus is a better comparison for Earth. Perhaps someone could work out the physics to show what sort of impactor on Earth is capable of causings something besides glass and giving it escape velocity. Without doing the physics, it is clear it would have to be a kilometer plus sized impactor imparting in an instant to a kilometer plus sized Earth rock escape velocity plus frictional loss velocity, which further does not explode with that velocity at sea level as it makes its way through the exponientially most dense part of the atmosphere (i.e. a "reverse meteorite") at a right or obtuse angle to the impact (which tends to create a velocity vector landing back on Earth). While this might sound "plausible", for an impactor to produce a kilometer plus sized rock with such a velocity seems nearly impossible, knowing the characteristics of Earth surface features. To actually achieve the above, either ground zero has to become liquid or plasma eventually producing glasses, for which there is some evidence in tektites, or Earth must be split like a nut, for which the Moon was presented as evidence in such a hypothethised impact around 4.5 billion years ago So that would leave a scenario of a gigantic impactor hitting near the base of a Mount Everest made of solid iron or other high tensile type structure, incoming at a low entry angle, and propelling the peak into outer space. In the case of Mars objects over 10 meters (but probably in the realm 500 km) can impact whole much more readily and produce "reverse meteorites" with the initial velocities potentially conducive to this event which can escape more readily as gravity (and hence resulting escape velocities) is less than 40% Earth's. Furthermore Mars is closer to the Asteroid belt and is expected to have more flux of such potential impacts. Saludos Doug Dawn Mexico En un mensaje con fecha 02/13/2004 8:21:52 AM Mexico Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe: and bit of a stretch.. but plausible: Just like we have Martian meteorites here on earth, so would we not have some of the ejecta from our terrestrial impacts also in orbit around the Sun
[meteorite-list] What are those blueberries on Mars?
Hello List, I guess you all have seen those pictures coming from Mars at the the Meridiani Planum/Opportunity site. Embedded in, and eroding out of the bedrock in the sidewall of the 20 m crater where Opportunity is located, are those <5mm perfect spherical stones. They have a different colour than the finely layered matrix they sits in. The geologist Steven Squyers said that there were 3 theories about them among the scientists at JPL - the 3rd one, by now almost discarded: 1) They are concretions in the layered deposits, that formed slowly after the deposists had been made, probably by water circulating through them and slowly crystalizing. 2) They are balls made from molten material flung up in the atmosphere either by volcanic eruptions or large crater forming impacts. 3) They are volcanic 'lapilli' formed as growing spherical balls from ash coming out of an erupting volcano. Since these small balls (blueish) as photographed by Opportunity, has a different color than the deposits they are located in, this seems less likely. So what are your theories, any thoughts? Another theory: Could they be rock fragments rounded by the movements by the wind in fine deposits through millions of years at the surface? Link to picture: http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA05235.jpg http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/targetFamily/Mars (More pictures) Regards, Bjørn Sørheim __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT; Italian translation help?
Hello, Can anyone translate this for me? Caro Tom Vorrei pagare tramite Western Union, mi poui mandare il tuo indirizzo esatto, e l'importo totale. Grazie Thanks, Tom __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin
En un mensaje con fecha 02/13/2004 9:27:58 AM Mexico Standard Time, MexicoDoug escribe: In the case of Mars objects over 10 meters (but probably in the realm 500 km) can ...should have read : ...but probably in the realm of 50 m - 0.5 km...
[meteorite-list] !!! Dangerous ammonites !!!
Wow, I thought I could cope with the dangers of meteorite hunting compared to milk-toast fossils... Now I have to search for safe ways of chiseling ammonites out of the bedrock: Andrei, writing about the Vitim Bolide Event, says: "Local residents, who have a lot of experience in mining operations using large charges of ammonite (sic), claim that the associated sounds of explosion were rather powerful." (Meteorite, February 2004, page 30, column 2, paragraph 3.) Since Morocco produces ammonites in great quantities, it will only be a matter of time before this trade is curtailed under WMD non-proliferation treaties... (Since so much seems to be "Lost in Translation," please note that this posting is a joke based upon an editorial error. No disrespect is intended to either Andrei or Joel who I hope will appreciate the serendipitous humor in homophonic words.) Cheers, Nick P.S. It was great seeing many of you in Tucson. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sikhote, NP Expedition brings back 5 tons + Lockness Sikhote
Paper: Lethbridge Herald City: Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1947 Page: 3 100 TON METEORITE MOSCOW, June 17 - (Reuters) - A meteorite which landed last February in a mountainous area about 300 miles northeast of Viadivostok weighed about 100 tons according to evidence obtained by an expedition from the Society Academy of Science. The expedition brought back five tons of splinters - remnants of the shattered meteorite. Hello List, I thought the "splinter" reference in this article, very accurate to most Sikhotes in our collection, slightly amusing. I could only imagine the adventure in the first couple of expeditions. Finding a crater every thirty minutesa multi 100 kilo. sized meteorite every hour. Sigh. Today's Sikhote photos is a 49.2g, I refer to as the Lockness. (We always see animals and birds in meteoritesperhaps Walter could tell us the deep meaning in our collectors mind for this collector habit). http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colsikhotelockness.html Mark Bostick Administrator and board member of the Kansas Meteorite Society www.meteoritearticles.com, and my new website with local college Jerry Calvert, (http://www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com) Still being worked on but worth the click Wichita, Kansas Please visit, www.MeteoriteArticles.com, a free on-line archive of meteor and meteorite articles.
[meteorite-list] fireball?
any news about fireballs etc around the 2nd of january is of great interest to me. in victoria, australia we saw a bright light cross the horizon in the middle of the day. i have been unable to find any information on what it was.Get less junk mail with ninemsn Premium. Upgrade now! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
FW: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin
Rosie, et al... That was interesting, and I read some of that as well. Another possibility, and bit of a stretch.. but plausible: Just like we have Martian meteorites here on earth, so would we not have some of the ejecta from our terrestrial impacts also in orbit around the Sun, and should we not expect some of our own material to come back to earth as well? The question is what would material like that look like, and how would it analyze? It should have characteristics of both terrestrial matter, and matter that has been exposed to cosmic rays, with a fusion crust from re-entry I would imagine. How could we prove (or disprove) the origin of this material? Just another thought.. CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosemary Hackney Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:34 PM To: Adam Hupe; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin Hello Adam, et al... Sorry I missed everyone at Tucson. Had the flu bug or some virus. Still is hanging on 3-4 weeks now. Doc said I would live..lol. I hope Michael forgave me for not showing up.. I tried to recruit Dean in my place. Yes Tom.. I have some nice new ones :-) A 8.6 gram Drakes Creek from Tennessee. An area near me. Is pretty. And a Huss Anthony I just won. But back to the Elma... When I was around White Sands, I went to the back side to the Trinity site. I found a little rock shop outside the boundary. They had Trinitite form the Trinity site. I bought some of it. The Elma reminds me of the Trinitite in composition and appearance. As to the Geometeorites.. There is a nice article on the internet about geometeorites. Just plug Geometeorite into a search engine. The physicist who wrote this article seemed to think Elma was a geometeorite. The explanation made sense to me. From what I understand, it is formed when Lightening fuses material aloft in the upper atmosphere. It stands to reason material would be aloft from tornadoes or wind sheer or frontal winds. When lightening strikes the material, it fuses into glass like objects that fall out of the atmosphere... like meteorites.. ergo "geometeorite" because the material was terrestrial in origin. Anyway...just a thought. Rosie - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin > Dear Charles, Rosemary and List, > > Dr. Andrei Ol'khovatov from Moscow, Russia weighed in on the Elma incident > and came to the same conclusion, a geometeorite was to blame. It is amazing > how similar the two events are. The kid with the burnt fingers in Elma and > a kid with a burnt face in Iran. Three laboratories weighed in on the Elma > incident. Two believe it to be a geophysical event and one believes there > is a more earthly explanation. To me it is an unsolved mystery. I stopped > commenting in public because there is no way to prove what happened either > way and it was causing some grief with a few List members. > > All the best, > > Adam Hupe > The Hupe Collection > IMCA 2185 > > > - Original Message - > From: "Charles Viau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Meteorite Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:53 PM > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin > > > > It very well could be related, and why it was so important to properly > > document the Elma incident, even though all of the 'experts' gave the > > principal investigators such grief. This is what science is all about. I > > would hope that there are some geo-physicists out there that will want > > to pull some of this material together from those 3 sources and look for > > similarities. The people who witnessed such events were not stupid, nor > > were they having any hallucinations. > > > > CharlyV > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosemary > > Hackney > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:12 PM > > To: Ron Baalke; Meteorite Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin > > > > Is this similar to the Elma incident? Elma intrigues me. It looks like > > sand > > or particulate material having been fused. Perhaps was sucked up by a > > dust > > devil or other storm wind and electrical discharge in the atmosphere > > fused > > it like glass? Anyway.. is this Iranian material considered a > > geometeorite > > also? > > > > Rosie > > - Original Message - > > From: "Ron Baalke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:38 AM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.nojum.net/news/newse.asp?newsid=34 > > > > > > PRESS-RELEASE: Feb 8, 2004 > > > CONTACTS: M
FW: [meteorite-list] Dear god, check this out.
Wow… all those pages of chemistry, SEM and PIXIE charts… some really good science and impressive, until the conclusion – Million year old mining slag left over from Extra Terrestrials smelting in the solar system….. Good Grief! CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Dear god, check this out. http://www.spaceslag.com/ Mike Farmer
[meteorite-list] again spectacular news from the Dhofar 489 lunar meteorite
Hi folks, not only the martian meteorites are showing up with sensational news, also the lunars do that ! Amazing new matter found in the Dhofar 489 meteorite. Read about it in the newest abstract of Dhofar 489 feldspathic crstalline matrix breccia http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2004/pdf/1222.pdf I have 2 samples left of this senstaional material. You find them on my website www.austromet.com You won't find it elsewhere as the rest of the stone has been obtained by the japanese scientists. Only a few collectors are lucky to have a sample of this rock. cheers, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Ing. Christian ANGER Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin
Well, these geophysical events has not been studied much. One of a few pics I have seen of the ball-lightning can be found from; http://www.netholist.net/rajatiede/pallosalama.php taken by Roy Jennings in Yorkshire, UK. Text only in finnish, sorry...;- Also a pic of a hole in a window made by ball-lightning can be found from the same site. Something about ball-lightning and St.Elmos; http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/tesla/ballgtn.html I think, there are several reasons in science community, this item is not much popular. They are quite rare, they are very fast and they usually don´t left their business-card on the ground...;- Some groups have tried to make similar phenomenas using the very high-voltage submarine batteries. The results were very interresting, but nothing like this. I have seen a ball-lighting to hit the antenna of a house, travel out trough the open door, then over 70 meters to a sauna and explose in the owen and blow all the ashes in the air. All this in 2 - 3 seconds. Think there are two ways to explains this, I´m nuts or these things exists. And I didn´t eat mushrooms...;- take care, pekka s Adam Hupe wrote: Dear Charles, Rosemary and List, Dr. Andrei Ol'khovatov from Moscow, Russia weighed in on the Elma incident and came to the same conclusion, a geometeorite was to blame. It is amazing how similar the two events are. The kid with the burnt fingers in Elma and a kid with a burnt face in Iran. Three laboratories weighed in on the Elma incident. Two believe it to be a geophysical event and one believes there is a more earthly explanation. To me it is an unsolved mystery. I stopped commenting in public because there is no way to prove what happened either way and it was causing some grief with a few List members. All the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 - Original Message - From: "Charles Viau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Meteorite Mailing List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin It very well could be related, and why it was so important to properly document the Elma incident, even though all of the 'experts' gave the principal investigators such grief. This is what science is all about. I would hope that there are some geo-physicists out there that will want to pull some of this material together from those 3 sources and look for similarities. The people who witnessed such events were not stupid, nor were they having any hallucinations. CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosemary Hackney Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 2:12 PM To: Ron Baalke; Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin Is this similar to the Elma incident? Elma intrigues me. It looks like sand or particulate material having been fused. Perhaps was sucked up by a dust devil or other storm wind and electrical discharge in the atmosphere fused it like glass? Anyway.. is this Iranian material considered a geometeorite also? Rosie - Original Message - From: "Ron Baalke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dear god, check this out.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Iranian Fireball Was Of Geophysical Origin
Sorry, I forgot the links to the pages of Dr. Ol´khovatov; http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Cockpit/3240/gr1997.htm http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Cockpit/3240/index.html pekka s Adam Hupe wrote: Dear Charles, Rosemary and List, Dr. Andrei Ol'khovatov from Moscow, Russia weighed in on the Elma incident and came to the same conclusion, a geometeorite was to blame. It is amazing how similar the two events are. The kid with the burnt fingers in Elma and a kid with a burnt face in Iran. Three laboratories weighed in on the Elma incident. Two believe it to be a geophysical event and one believes there is a more earthly explanation. To me it is an unsolved mystery. I stopped commenting in public because there is no way to prove what happened either way and it was causing some grief with a few List members. All the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 - Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
