[meteorite-list] Movie of 2004 FH

2004-03-20 Thread Walter Branch



Hello Everyone,

Spaceweather.com has a little movie of asteroid 
2004 FH, the one which recently passed close to the Earth. The neat thing 
about it is, you can seebrightness changes as the asteroid (presumably) 
tumbles. 

http://spaceweather.com

-Walter
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[meteorite-list] NP 08-1900, Meteorite Fall (?) Heats up Travelers

2004-03-20 Thread MARK BOSTICK
 Paper: Newark Daily Advocate City: Newark, Ohio Date: Wednesday, August 22, 1900 Page: 5  AEROLITE FELL So Close To Travelers That They Felt Its Heat. (Danville (Pa.) Cor. Phil. Ledger.) Mr. and Mrs. D. E. Monroe, of Monticello, Sullican county, N. Y., who are making a tour in a carriage, were sufficiently close to an aerolite that last night dropped into the ground to feel its heat. They left Muncy about noon and were on their way to this city, where they intended to spend the night. They lost their way and about midnight found themselves on a lonely stretch of road remote from any dwelling. The spot, about ten miles from this place, is low and swampy and surrounded by wooded hills. Suddenly the sky was illuminated with a strange light, which the next instant lit up the entire landscape, giving it a brilliancy that was blinding. At the same instant a loud hiss or swishing sound struck the ears of a the man and woman and simultaneously it seemed, a blazing mass, not more than ten yards ahead, struck the earth. The roadway trembled under the mighty impact. The occupants of the buggy were nearly overcome by the appalling spectacle, while the horse stood trembling in its tracks. Mr. Monroe slighted from the buggy and led the horse to the spot where the aerolite had struck. The only trace of the celestial visitor was a volume of steam, which road from the spot, indicating the presence of water. Mrs. Monroe was made quite ill by the shock and the couple were obliged to stop at a farm house for the night. (PDF copy available upon request. Meteorites A to Z does not show a meteorite having fallen and been recovered at this time/location.)Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com  


[meteorite-list] Tiny Bubbles

2004-03-20 Thread Don Shervey



Hello List,

I just ran into something new I don't recall seeing 
discussed here. While examining a piece of Mesosiderite NWA 1817 (which I 
believe might be paired with NWA 1878), I found a small cavity in an inclusion 
with tiny gas bubbles. The inclusion has a fairly dark matrix, but the 
little cavity is filled with a very clear, glass like material and several 
bubbles are clearly visible.

Here is a link to some photos ranging from 0 to 
100x.http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/skyrok99/album?.dir=/bd7dI 
took them through theeyepiece of the scopeso they're not the best, 
butyou can see the bubblesat the higher powers.

Is this common and I am just running into it for 
the first time? Any background on this clear material and how/why the gas 
was captured there? Maybe an impact with a beanaroid sometime in its past 
;-)

Thanks for any feedback.

Don Shervey




[meteorite-list] CV3 subtypes revised

2004-03-20 Thread David Weir
Hello List,

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2004/pdf/1562.pdf

I've read through many of the LPSC abstracts and this one seems to be
significant in that it suggests a reconsideration of the subtypes of
many CV3s. The authors utilized several methods to determine the
subtypes of CV3 chondrites; Raman spectometry of organic material, a
petrologic study of Fe zoning, and a noble gas study, rather than the TL
sensitivity data of feldspar typically used for ordinary chondrite
subtyping, and which was previously applied to the CV3s. They propose
that TL sensitivity data is not applicable to aqueously altered CCs and
they have redefined the petrographic subtypes of the common CV3s as
follows:

Allende - 3.6(TL - 3.2)
Axtell  - 3.6(TL - 3.0)
Grosnaja- ~3.6(TL - 3.3)
Kaba-  3.1(TL - 3.0)
Mokoia  - ~3.6(TL - 3.2)
Bali- 3.6(TL - 3.0)
Efremovka   - 3.4-3.6 (TL - 3.2)
Vigarano- 3.1-3.4 (TL - 3.3)
Leoville- 3.1-3.4 (TL - 3.0)

They plan to make further studies to validate this one.

David

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FW: [meteorite-list] Interesting asteroid names

2004-03-20 Thread Jose Campos


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Hi Alex and List,

You asked for more listees with their own asteroids;
How abou comets?

I independently co-discovered P/Comet 1978j = 1978XX Haneda-Campos, on
September 1st 1978 with a 5 refractor, from Durban, South Africa. It was
also independently discovered by the late japanese amateur astronomer T.
Haneda, from Fukushima, Japan, on the same date.
The comet's Period is just over 6 yrs.
According to the new comet nomenclature, it is now known as comet D/1978 R1
Haneda-Campos.

Greetings from sunny Portugal
Jos Campos

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Now here is a little goodie...:
(6524) Baalke

And two more outstanding ones:...:
(6371) Heinlein
(73491) Robmatson

More listees with their own asteroids?
Greetings from sunny Berlin,
Alex


Ron answered:
-

 Done!

 7610 Sudbury

 Ron B.


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RE: [meteorite-list] name that campo

2004-03-20 Thread tracy latimer
It looks like one of those Henry Moore statues: Madonna or Mother and 
CHild, some such.

Artfreak!
Tracy Latimer

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:23:34 +
Has anyone seen Mike M's strange campo for sale. I could think of a few 
things that it looks like to me, but lets let the audience take a shot at 
nick-naming this one. See it at.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2232065312category=3239

John

PS Looks like a keeper Mike. :)

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[meteorite-list] Tiny Bubbles in NWA 1817

2004-03-20 Thread bernd . pauli
Hello Don and List,

 examining a piece of Mesosiderite NWA 1817...I found
 a small cavity in an inclusion with tiny gas bubbles.
 The inclusion has a fairly dark matrix, but the little
 cavity is filled with a very clear glass like material
 and several bubbles are clearly visible.

Although your file is momentarily inaccessible, I wouldn't be
too surprised to find such bubbles and glass-like material in
NWA 1817, as it is described as having a plutonic, igneous
texture (Met.Bull. 88, 2004).

This mesosiderite will have crystallized from a molten magma
(igneous) deep down in its asteroidal parent body (plutonic)
and dissolved gases will have caused these bubbles when the
material was transported to the surface by volcanic activity.

Just a guess ... any comments?

Best wishes,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Why not oil /diamond blades for cutting meteorites?

2004-03-20 Thread dean bessey
I have tried oil and it works great. The cuts are
smooth, fast and the blades last forever. However, the
oil got imbedded in the meteorite cut surface and
stained them (And possibly weathered them more also)
and it made a huge (And I mean HUGE) mess that took me
three months to completely clean up.
Alcohol also worked very well and almost as good as
oil and made no mess whatsoever and cuts were smooth
and fast and do no damage to the meteorite. I have
seen tons of sparks that went directly into the
alcohol filled cooling pan and no evidence that I was
about to start a fire. I ocasionally use alcohol on
delicate things like Bensour for example but what I
didnt like was that it made a lot of fumes and since
most alcohol is piosenous I was worried about health
concerns from breathing in the fumes and so dont
typically use it. If you could devise a totally
outside air supply to breath then alcohol in my
opinion would probably be the best thing to use as a
coolant. Maybe I could rig up my scuba regulator or
something. 
As far as blades go I find that those meteorite blades
dont last very long. The worst blade was ADVANTAGE
which literally fell apart on me after 30 seconds. I
couldent get over how bad those were. Theres bad
blades and then there is advantage blades.
I really give blades a hard going over so I would make
a good tester for companies wanting to develop new
blades. And I give a major thumbs down to Advantage
blades.
I use pro slicer blades and find them the best overall
but they wont cut Iron (I have never been able to
manage to cut Irons). There is a certain MK model
blade that I like better but it cost more than twice
as much and only lasts 50% longer so my opinion is
that pro slicer is your workhorse blade and best
value for the money. I buy them 50 at a time from the
manufacturer to get the maximun discount.
When I was a teanager we used to pick berries by the
multiple 5 gallon can and brewed them in 45 gallon
drums for 5 months (Mother nature loves me - the
berries ripened in august and christmas was in
december) and then ran off the wine that we brewed
from it (And I was good, my stuff ignited and burned
forever - just like the flame of vesta). After all
those years I am not sure if I still have my
distillery skills but for making high quality (And
highly potent) meteorite coolant, I bet that if I
tried really really hard, I could still manage to, ah,
naww - I have better things to do.
Most dealers use water as a coolant. After cutting I
then bake my meteorites in the oven to get all of the
water out as fast as possible.
Cheers
Dean










--- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Elton and all,
I am surprised no one who does more cutting
 than I has responded.
It goes like this:
 Oil is fine for irons and even pallasites.
 Oil sucks for stones (and mesosiderites) because it
 discolors them
 horribly. (I do know one fine finisher that does use
 oil, but then
 puts all pieces in cat litter [the kind free of
 chemicals - this is
 important]
 for a minimum of 3 months to leach out the oil).
 Most do not have
 the time, space, patience and ability to delay
 financial return to
 utilize such a technique. I assume it works, as his
 stuff is dandy.
So, since oil horribly discolors stone, this
 is why most use alcohol.
 Water (usually used with cutting solution added)
 is a no-no because
 water is the enemy of meteorites.
Some use water and then immediately immerse
 the piece(s) in
 99% alcohol which has a phenomenal propensity to
 absorb water,
 then put them in a stove with a pilot light where
 the humidity is
 near zero. The alcohol, which absorbed the water, is
 then evaporated
 rapidly. 
Be warned: alcohol is highly flammable, burns
 with a nearly
 invisible flame AND IS MUCH HOTTER than say a candle
 flame. When
 cutting with alcohol I always use as small amount as
 required, have
 a towel handy and running water near by. Still makes
 me nervous,
 but it is my preferred method - except in the
 exceptionally expensive
 pieces, where I use a new blade and NO cooling and
 toss the blade,
 such as with small Martian and Lunar specimens.
In any event, I avoid oil at all costs.
Best wishes, Michael
 
 
 on 3/19/04 11:21 AM, E. L. Jones at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Ok,   I know this was covered recently but my
 archives are gone.
  
  I've been here years but, pretend I haven't and
 review for me the
  technical nuiances.
  
  Why is cutting with transformer oil not desirable
 for cutting/ windowing
  meteorites?
  
  Why do some recommend a carbide blade  vs a
 diamond blade? Is this a
  distinction for iron vs stone samples?
  
  Any recommendations for cutting impactites such as
 Reis Seuvite?
  
  (Actually my 14 saw finally arrived after nearly
 two years and I wan't
  to cut something!  I'd rather not be swapping out
 oil and ethanol each
  time I get in the mood to saw different
 materials.)
  
  Thanks,
  Elton
  

Re: [meteorite-list] Why not oil /diamond blades for cutting meteorites?

2004-03-20 Thread Adam Hupe
Hi Dean and List,

It is crazy using alcohol in a saw that was not designed for it.  You need a
very low speed saw (1-300RPM) with the motor isolated from the cutting
reservoir and fumes or else you are asking for a trip to the emergency room.
Alcohol also destroys the rubber seals that protect your bearings and
dissolves the grease in them causing premature saw failure.

Oil does no permanent damage to meteorites so long as it is filtered on a
regular basis.  Literally every polishing operation I have seen uses
distilled water.  Using tap water is being cheap as it introduces chlorine
into the meteorite creating long term reactions that break down the metal
component and a few other minerals.  Oil acts as a temporary sealant during
the polishing operation preventing water from being absorbed into the
specimen.  The polishing operation removes most of the oil.  A pure ethyl
alcohol bath can be used to extract the rest of the oil trapped in the
specimen.  A final treatment should be to slow dry the specimen in a
humidity free environment.  We use a halogen lamp for this purpose.  All
specimens should be polished immediately after cutting because it reduces
the surface area in which moisture can be trapped.

I hope this helps,

Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection,
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite crater or crumbling of ground ?

2004-03-20 Thread Pierre-Marie PELE
Hello to the list !

During my prospecting trip to Spain hunting for the meteorite of the 4th january 2004, 
I saw once in a field this circular phenomenon. You can see the picture at this 
address : http://www.meteor-center.com/dossier/espagne2004/crater.jpg

The terrain contains no stones, only mud and grass. There's no track to reach this 
place. That's the only hole of this kind we found during our one week trip. Also, it 
is situated on the trajectory of the meteor.

According to you, what is this ?

I thank you in advance for your help.

Pierre-Marie PELE
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[meteorite-list] Fireball movie sequences

2004-03-20 Thread Stephen McMann

Dear List,
Does anyone know if there is a good source for movie sequences of big fireballs, particularly those that have dropped meteorites, such as Peekskill and Park Forest?
Sincerely,
Stephen McMann

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RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite crater or crumbling of ground ?

2004-03-20 Thread Dennis Harries
Hello Pierre,
the hole is most probably a sinkhole, created by the collaps of a cave. I 
think limestone is very common in the area, underlying the soil. A impact 
pit of this size probably wouldn't show such a sharp rim and there would be 
much mud thrown around.

Best wishes
Dennis

From: Pierre-Marie PELE Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 
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crater or crumbling of ground ? Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:26:37 +0100 (CET)

Hello to the list !

During my prospecting trip to Spain hunting for the meteorite of the 4th 
january 2004, I saw once in a field this circular phenomenon. You can see 
the picture at this address : 
http://www.meteor-center.com/dossier/espagne2004/crater.jpg

The terrain contains no stones, only mud and grass. There's no track to 
reach this place. That's the only hole of this kind we found during our one 
week trip. Also, it is situated on the trajectory of the meteor.

According to you, what is this ?

I thank you in advance for your help.

Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com 
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[meteorite-list] going back to where it all began 1 year ago this friday!THE URBAN STREWNFIELD!!

2004-03-20 Thread Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!
Hi list.As we all know, this coming friday is the 1 year anniversary of
the PARK FOREST meteorite fall.I cannot believe that it has almost been a
year.If the weather is good, I will be down there next saturday to look
around if possible.If the weather is nice, anyone who wants can join me
and we could do some looking over in OLYMPIA FIELDS.I still believe that
is unclaimed area.No telling what may be in that area.And it coincides
with the proposed trajectory of the way it fell,southeast to northwest.Let
me know if you can make it.I think it will be a good time to see what we
have learned in the year gone by.Anyone who found any, we can share our
places as to where we found our individual pieces.I will give the times I
will be going and my cell # as the next weekend comes by.I hope to hear
from some people.This is an event that will soon not disappear:)

 steve arnold, chicago, usa!!

   

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[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - March 19, 2004

2004-03-20 Thread Ron Baalke

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/daily/3-19-04.cfm

Spirit Status for sol 74
'Stub Toes' Won't Stop Spirit 
posted Mar. 19, 10:30 am PST

Spirit began the morning of Sol 74, which ended at 6:25 a.m. PST on 
March 19, 2004, by completing an alpha particle X-ray spectrometer 
integration on the target Panda, inside the scuff on Serpent drift. 
Then Spirit placed the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer back down on 
the target Polar for a 30-minute integration. During that integration, 
Spirit took some images of disturbed soil with the panoramic camera, and 
acquired some ground temperatures with the miniature thermal emission 
spectrometer. Spirit then switched the tools on its robotic arm to the 
Moessbauer spectrometer for an hour-long integration on Polar. During that 
integration, the rover took some sky and ground measurements with the mini 
thermal emission spectrometer. Spirit finished its arm activities for the 
day by acquiring three microscopic images of Polar and three more of Panda. 

Starting around 12:35 p.m. Mars Local Solar time, Spirit made a direct drive 
of about six meters (19.7 feet) to another section of the Serpent drift 
complex, called Stub Toe. There the rover repeatedly scuffed the drift and 
advanced .15 meters (half a foot) in a series of five scuff and drives. 
After the five scuffs and advances were made, Spirit roved forward another 
3 meters (9.8 feet) and then looked back over its shoulder using the mini 
thermal emission spectrometer and navigation cameras to analyze the damage. 
The rover continued along the Bonneville crater rim with a 16-meter direct 
drive, and then an auto-navigation drive for 9 meters (29.5 feet). Spirit 
completed a final set of drives to set up for a touch and go on sol 75 at 
around 2:10 p.m. Mars Local Solar time. The total amount of driving for 
sol 74 was an impressive 34.3 meters (112.5 feet). 

Spirit then took navigation camera and panoramic camera images of the drive 
directions for planning the sol 75 traverse. The rover acquired some mini 
thermal emission spectrometer reconnaissance images and then took a 30-minute 
siesta before the afternoon Odyssey relay pass. During that pass, Spirit 
used the mini thermal emission spectrometer to acquire a sky profile and 
ground temperature observations. 

On sol 75, which will end at 7:05 a.m. PST on March 20, 2004, Spirit will 
place the microscopic imager on a soil target and drive about 22 meters 
(72.2 feet) around the Bonneville crater rim. Spirit will also conduct 
atmospheric observations with the mini thermal emission spectrometer and 
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[meteorite-list] trade

2004-03-20 Thread Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!
Hello list.I will finally be getting a new and better scale.So I have one
I would like to trade for a piece of either NWA 869 OR dhofar 020.This is
a $90 value.I will pay shipping.I originally got this from MARK BOSTICK.So
if you are interested in a good inexpensive weigh scale, this is for you.I
t comes with a light,a measuring bowl,and the original box.It measures in
tenths of grams,oz.,DWT.,and ozt.The one I am getting goes into
thousands.Let me know if we can make a trade.

  steve from chicago

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Re: [meteorite-list] Tiny Bubbles in NWA 1817

2004-03-20 Thread Don Shervey
Hello Bernd and List,

Thank you very much for your very clear and logical explanation.  Not sure
why the problem with accessing the photos on yahoo, but here is a link to a
different site that should work.

http://my.execpc.com/~eagle1/

Thanks again for sharing your amazing knowledge of meteorites.

Best regards,

Don Shervey

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Tiny Bubbles in NWA 1817


 Hello Don and List,

  examining a piece of Mesosiderite NWA 1817...I found
  a small cavity in an inclusion with tiny gas bubbles.
  The inclusion has a fairly dark matrix, but the little
  cavity is filled with a very clear glass like material
  and several bubbles are clearly visible.

 Although your file is momentarily inaccessible, I wouldn't be
 too surprised to find such bubbles and glass-like material in
 NWA 1817, as it is described as having a plutonic, igneous
 texture (Met.Bull. 88, 2004).

 This mesosiderite will have crystallized from a molten magma
 (igneous) deep down in its asteroidal parent body (plutonic)
 and dissolved gases will have caused these bubbles when the
 material was transported to the surface by volcanic activity.

 Just a guess ... any comments?

 Best wishes,

 Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Why not oil /diamond blades for cutting meteorites?

2004-03-20 Thread Adam Hupe
Dear Bill,

I have a huge amount of respect for your chemical engineering and product
development.  I was trained in material preparation by the so called old
school at the University of Washington and have had zero problems.  The only
issue with old school techniques is that they are very time consuming as I
was told there are no shortcuts to good material preparation.  I am all ears
to anything your laboratory offers that will guarantee a simpler way to
material preparation.

All the best,

Adam


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meteorites?


Dear Adam,
Seems that new technology for grinding and cutting fluids is being
ignored. I have a water based additive for fluids that permit cooling,
lubrication and prevents corrosion of ferrous metals. VpCI-435. Have been
working on H-5 slices in our laboratory. Results soon to be published.
There are opportunities to save our collections through new
technology if we open our minds to 2000 state of the art chemistry.

Bill Mason  Rusty

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meteorites?

Hi Dean and List,

It is crazy using alcohol in a saw that was not designed for it.  You need a
very low speed saw (1-300RPM) with the motor isolated from the cutting
reservoir and fumes or else you are asking for a trip to the emergency room.
Alcohol also destroys the rubber seals that protect your bearings and
dissolves the grease in them causing premature saw failure.

Oil does no permanent damage to meteorites so long as it is filtered on a
regular basis.  Literally every polishing operation I have seen uses
distilled water.  Using tap water is being cheap as it introduces chlorine
into the meteorite creating long term reactions that break down the metal
component and a few other minerals.  Oil acts as a temporary sealant during
the polishing operation preventing water from being absorbed into the
specimen.  The polishing operation removes most of the oil.  A pure ethyl
alcohol bath can be used to extract the rest of the oil trapped in the
specimen.  A final treatment should be to slow dry the specimen in a
humidity free environment.  We use a halogen lamp for this purpose.  All
specimens should be polished immediately after cutting because it reduces
the surface area in which moisture can be trapped.

I hope this helps,

Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection,
IMCA 2185




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[meteorite-list] AD (?) 570g NWA 869 trade?

2004-03-20 Thread Tom aka James Knudson
Hello List, thought I would ask, I have a 570g NWA 869 individual.  I would
like to maybe trade it for something else, preferably a nice looking
individual of some kind, of course it does not have to be as big. : )   Or a
small slice of a pallasite, SA, sau 001, I am easy.
Photo's available
Thanks, Tom
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[meteorite-list] Carolina Bays.

2004-03-20 Thread Mark A. Massey
Hello List,


I was wondering if anybody may have some good information regarding
Wells Creek,TN?.  I may be taking a trip to the crater in a month or
so.  I have been to Flynn's Creek,TN and also wanted to check this
area out.  No shattercones found yet.  Also, I was just going to ask
if anybody has info regarding Carolina Bays?.
Thanks in advance.  What a great website!!!.




Best Regards,



Mark A. Massey


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Re: [meteorite-list] Why not oil /diamond blades for cutting meteorites?

2004-03-20 Thread MexicoDoug
"a water based additive for fluids that permit cooling,
lubrication and prevents corrosion of ferrous metals"

Just a clarification I'd like to know, does the "for fluids" mean any fluid, like hexane, just polar solvents like water and alcohols, does it contain a surfactant that makes it miscible and otherwise effective both ways?

Personally I's like to know if anyone has had a set up able to cut with Freon-11, or perhaps 113 (with a permit in some countries and mask, I believe it has few side effects although one for men to keep in mind might be that it shrinks (edited comment ... ask in private if you need to know). They have quite high heat capacities and might create your own personal sized ozone hole, though are still widely used throughout the world and I support their use with a solvent recycling-recovery system. I would think they would be fairly stable for short uses (i.e. covalent Cl), and heat them and presto solvent disappears, as if it was never there. If their boiling points are too low, another heavier CFC ... or Brominated one which I think have even higher heat capacities.

Adam sounds like he is from Missouri (for very good reason), and it is good to hear he doesn't close his mind to advancing science...it would be quite foolish I think with thousands of liquids known that "alcohol" and "oil" and water are the only ones that work. Bill, the fume hoods at Menlo Park are waiting for you.

I would just venture to say, DON'T CUT FRESH CARBONACEOUS METEORITES with any of these polar solvents and surfactants. Like, if I were to have amino acids in my meteorite, would I really want to extract them? I would never do that, and I've only cut one tiny window in a meteorite on a cheap tile saw and even I know that.

But better the experts comment on that...
Saludos
Doug DawnMexico


En un mensaje con fecha 03/21/2004 12:22:49 AM Mexico Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe:

Dear Adam,
Seems that new technology for grinding and cutting fluids is being
ignored. I have a water based additive for fluids that permit cooling,
lubrication and prevents corrosion of ferrous metals. VpCI-435. Have been
working on H-5 slices in our laboratory. Results soon to be published.
There are opportunities to save our collections through new
technology if we open our minds to 2000 state of the art chemistry.

Bill Mason "Rusty"