FW: [meteorite-list] Rants

[Charles Viau]

-Original Message-
From: Charles Viau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 1:36 AM
To: 'John K. Gwilliam'
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Rants

Second that, and make it four. We have yet to see an enforcement of list
policies in both the IMCA and this list, concerning a person that has had
such a negative impact on this hobby, as well as the science it represents.
Moderator's.. do your duty and get it over with.

CharlyV

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Gwilliam
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 1:20 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thomas Webb
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rants

Make that three of us.  I think everyone should be thanking Mike Farmer for 
bring this information to light.  I haven't seen the "proof" personally, 
but I have to believe that Mike wouldn't have made the claims he did 
without having verifiable and undisputable evidence.

Everyone in the meteorite community wants...no, make that "demands" that 
all dealers to be fair and honest - after all, wasn't that one of the 
reasons that the IMCA was formed?  It will be interesting to see if the 
IMCA follows Ebays lead and removes the dishonest dealer/collector from 
among it's ranks.

I'm certain that many list members will be watching the outcome of this
issue.

Best,

John Gwilliam

At 07:39 PM 6/22/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi Thomas and List,
>
>I must say, I am appalled.
>
>I agree with Thomas.  Personal attacks are one thing, but this amounts to 
>outright fraud, which is something every meteorite collector and dealer 
>shoud be concerned with.  Unless we all own or have access to electron 
>microprobes and such equipment (and know how to use them and interpret the 
>results), we are all dependent upon the trustworthy character and 
>reputation of the person from whom we buy or trade meteorites.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>-Walter
>
>
>www.branchmeteorites.com
>- Original Message -
>From: Thomas Webb
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.com 
>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rants
>
>Marc and list,
>Mike may get a little too passionate sometimes but I believe he was giving 
>us some important information that we needed to know.  When something like 
>this happens the meteorite community should have the knowledge for their 
>protection,  whoever the involved individuals are.
>My best,
>Thomas
>
>"Marc D. Fries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Could you gents take your fight off-line? This has turned into a
>spam-stream.
>
>Cheers,
>MDF
>
>
>--
>Marc D. Fries, Ph.D.
>Postdoctoral Research Associate
>Carnegie Institution of Washington
>Geophysical Laboratory
>5251 Broad Branch Rd. NW
>Washington, DC 20015
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rants

[John K. Gwilliam]

Make that three of us.  I think everyone should be thanking Mike Farmer for 
bring this information to light.  I haven't seen the "proof" personally, 
but I have to believe that Mike wouldn't have made the claims he did 
without having verifiable and undisputable evidence.

Everyone in the meteorite community wants...no, make that "demands" that 
all dealers to be fair and honest - after all, wasn't that one of the 
reasons that the IMCA was formed?  It will be interesting to see if the 
IMCA follows Ebays lead and removes the dishonest dealer/collector from 
among it's ranks.

I'm certain that many list members will be watching the outcome of this issue.
Best,
John Gwilliam
At 07:39 PM 6/22/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Thomas and List,
I must say, I am appalled.
I agree with Thomas.  Personal attacks are one thing, but this amounts to 
outright fraud, which is something every meteorite collector and dealer 
shoud be concerned with.  Unless we all own or have access to electron 
microprobes and such equipment (and know how to use them and interpret the 
results), we are all dependent upon the trustworthy character and 
reputation of the person from whom we buy or trade meteorites.

Best wishes,
-Walter

www.branchmeteorites.com
- Original Message -
From: Thomas Webb
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rants
Marc and list,
Mike may get a little too passionate sometimes but I believe he was giving 
us some important information that we needed to know.  When something like 
this happens the meteorite community should have the knowledge for their 
protection,  whoever the involved individuals are.
My best,
Thomas

"Marc D. Fries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Could you gents take your fight off-line? This has turned into a
spam-stream.
Cheers,
MDF
--
Marc D. Fries, Ph.D.
Postdoctoral Research Associate
Carnegie Institution of Washington
Geophysical Laboratory
5251 Broad Branch Rd. NW
Washington, DC 20015
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RE: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - June 22, 2004

[Charles Viau]

Ron,
I have a question about the Mars rovers. It is unbelievable how well
they were engineered to not only complete the prescribed missions, but to
over-extend the way they have been able to do. What is the ultimate limiting
factor that will cause them to stop functioning?  It seems like they have
unlimited electrical, assuming that the storage cells are still able to
re-charge from the solar cells. Is it the storage cells themselves that will
fail first? Or are there other factors that will come into play soon that
will end the extended mission?

Thanks and Regards

CharlyV

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - June 22, 2004


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Edging Down 'Endurance' - sol 141-143, 
June 22, 2004

Opportunity is showing no signs of middle age as it 
continues to work in "Endurance Crater." The rover has 
spent the last few sols inching farther down into the 
crater, making observations and pushing the limits. 
Managing resources as the rover's tilt angle changes 
is challenging and keeps the rover planning team very 
busy.

On sol 141 Opportunity completed post-rock abrasion tool 
Mossbauer spectrometer observations on the rock called 
"Tennessee." Having spent the last four sols 
investigating Tennessee, Opportunity stowed its arm and 
moved deeper into Endurance Crater. A 0.70-meter (2.3 feet) 
drive positioned the vehicle to begin observations on the 
first contact point, a transition between two different 
geologic layers. As it turns out, after arriving at the 
rover's new location and taking images, there appears to 
be not one contact point, but three contact points all 
within reach of the arm. Opportunity then performed 2.5 
hours of remote observations using the panoramic camera 
and miniature thermal emission spectrometer. The rover 
then went into deep sleep mode for the night.

On sol 142 Opportunity begin another series of microscopic 
imager observations on three different targets: 
"Bluegrass," "Siula Grande" and "Churchill." The rover 
then performed alpha particle X-ray spectrometer and 
Mossbauer spectrometer integrations overnight.

On sol 143 Opportunity again used its rock abrasion tool, 
but not without some consternation from the uplink team. 
In order to grind using the rock abrasion tool, a minimum 
of force must be used to push the tool onto the target. 
With the vehicle tilted 23.2 degrees, there was concern 
that applying too much force could cause the vehicle to 
lose traction on the slope and slide farther into the 
crater, possibly damaging the arm. Concerns were 
pacified when the rock abrasion tool operation worked 
flawlessly, abrading approximately 3 millimeters (about 
0.12 inches) into the rock called "Cobble Hill."


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[Rob Wesel]

Hello all-

Anyone have info on how to reach Ivan? All my emails to his address and "ask
seller a question" get bounced back. His PayPal address has not answered.
Sorry for the use of the list but I am out of ideas,

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[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture Of The Day - June 23, 2004

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rants

[Michael L Blood]

Hi Mark,
I am surprized no one answered your actual question:
Yes, there are rules and you can look them up at Meteorite
Central where you signed up for the list to begin with.
However, here they are:
1.Posts need to relate -in some way- to meteorites
2.Be courteous and professional at all times
3.Do not post -private messages- or -personal attacks- to the list
4.Please include the 'subject' of the post in the subject box
5.Send emails in text format, not -HTML-
6.Do not send emails with -file attachments- to the list - include a
file link 
7.Make sure you can back up statements with -facts and references-
8.Do not post -major advertisement- emails to the list - include a
   'sale' link 
9.If you are posting a URL for a sale, include 'SALE' in the subject box
Responses seemed to be related to established con jobs the person
at hand had pulled on other list members and the fact that he had been
removed from the list for repeated and severe violation of the above rules
and then merely re-signed up using another email address. In addition, he
manipulated the web sites of others (according to his own claims) so,
apparently a number of people on the list felt it was just TOO MUCH to
hear him complain of someone doing to him what he has been doing to
others for quite some time - so, that is why you probably didn't get the
list of rules, but rather commentary on his behavior.
Best wishes, Michael


on 6/22/04 5:21 PM, minador at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi List,
> 
> I have a question relating to this.  What exactly are the guidelines for
> this list?  I'm on 4 lists.  This one, IMCA, Meteorite_Sale and eBay
> Meteorites.  Many times I receive duplicate emails (mostly sales).  While
> this isn't too much of a problem for me, I imagine that there are people who
> don't subscribe to all lists and only are interested in non-sale
> discussions.
> 
> Are there any firm rules here?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark Bowling
> Vail, AZ
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marc D. Fries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:31 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rants
> 
> 
>> Could you gents take your fight off-line?  This has turned into a
>> spam-stream.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> MDF
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Marc D. Fries, Ph.D.
>> Postdoctoral Research Associate
>> Carnegie Institution of Washington
>> Geophysical Laboratory
>> 5251 Broad Branch Rd. NW
>> Washington, DC 20015
>> PH:  202 478 7970
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rants

[branchw]

Hi Thomas and List,
 
I must say, I am appalled.
 
I agree with Thomas.  Personal attacks are one 
thing, but this amounts to outright fraud, which is something every meteorite 
collector and dealer shoud be concerned with.  Unless we all own or have 
access to electron microprobes and such equipment (and know how to use them and 
interpret the results), we are all dependent upon the trustworthy character and 
reputation of the person from whom we buy or trade meteorites.
 
Best wishes,
 
-Walter
 
www.branchmeteorites.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Thomas Webb 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:00 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rants
  
  Marc and list,
  Mike may get a little too passionate sometimes but I believe he was 
  giving us some important information that we needed to know.  When 
  something like this happens the meteorite community should have 
  the knowledge for their protection,  whoever the involved 
  individuals are.  
  My best,
  Thomas"Marc D. Fries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  Could 
you gents take your fight off-line? This has turned into 
aspam-stream.Cheers,MDF-- Marc D. Fries, 
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WashingtonGeophysical Laboratory5251 Broad Branch Rd. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rants

[Thomas Webb]

Marc and list,
Mike may get a little too passionate sometimes but I believe he was giving us some important information that we needed to know.  When something like this happens the meteorite community should have the knowledge for their protection,  whoever the involved individuals are.  
My best,
Thomas"Marc D. Fries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2004 - A Repost

[Impactika]

In a message dated 6/22/2004 11:43:46 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There was Peter Marmet(from whom I purchased my little Ensisheim slice that he had once got from AnneBlack - Anne just in case you wonder where it now resides :-) I think it is a "must"for an honary member of the "Ensisheim Confraternity" to own at least little sliceof this historical fall from 1492 - in my case a modest 0.773 grams but beautiful!
 
Of course!!!
And I am glad you were able to get one. 
Maybe all members of the Confrerie should receive a piece of the Ensisheim meteorite when they are inducted. You could suggest that to Zelimir.   :-)
 
Thanks for the report and the news.
 
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[minador]

Hi List,

I have a question relating to this.  What exactly are the guidelines for
this list?  I'm on 4 lists.  This one, IMCA, Meteorite_Sale and eBay
Meteorites.  Many times I receive duplicate emails (mostly sales).  While
this isn't too much of a problem for me, I imagine that there are people who
don't subscribe to all lists and only are interested in non-sale
discussions.

Are there any firm rules here?

Thanks,

Mark Bowling
Vail, AZ


- Original Message - 
From: "Marc D. Fries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:31 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rants


> Could you gents take your fight off-line?  This has turned into a
> spam-stream.
>
> Cheers,
> MDF
>
>
> -- 
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> Postdoctoral Research Associate
> Carnegie Institution of Washington
> Geophysical Laboratory
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> Washington, DC 20015
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[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - June 22, 2004

[Ron Baalke]

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Edging Down 'Endurance' - sol 141-143, 
June 22, 2004

Opportunity is showing no signs of middle age as it 
continues to work in "Endurance Crater." The rover has 
spent the last few sols inching farther down into the 
crater, making observations and pushing the limits. 
Managing resources as the rover's tilt angle changes 
is challenging and keeps the rover planning team very 
busy.

On sol 141 Opportunity completed post-rock abrasion tool 
Mossbauer spectrometer observations on the rock called 
"Tennessee." Having spent the last four sols 
investigating Tennessee, Opportunity stowed its arm and 
moved deeper into Endurance Crater. A 0.70-meter (2.3 feet) 
drive positioned the vehicle to begin observations on the 
first contact point, a transition between two different 
geologic layers. As it turns out, after arriving at the 
rover's new location and taking images, there appears to 
be not one contact point, but three contact points all 
within reach of the arm. Opportunity then performed 2.5 
hours of remote observations using the panoramic camera 
and miniature thermal emission spectrometer. The rover 
then went into deep sleep mode for the night.

On sol 142 Opportunity begin another series of microscopic 
imager observations on three different targets: 
"Bluegrass," "Siula Grande" and "Churchill." The rover 
then performed alpha particle X-ray spectrometer and 
Mossbauer spectrometer integrations overnight.

On sol 143 Opportunity again used its rock abrasion tool, 
but not without some consternation from the uplink team. 
In order to grind using the rock abrasion tool, a minimum 
of force must be used to push the tool onto the target. 
With the vehicle tilted 23.2 degrees, there was concern 
that applying too much force could cause the vehicle to 
lose traction on the slope and slide farther into the 
crater, possibly damaging the arm. Concerns were 
pacified when the rock abrasion tool operation worked 
flawlessly, abrading approximately 3 millimeters (about 
0.12 inches) into the rock called "Cobble Hill."


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Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2004

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

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Hello Yahoo members,If interested, go to:http://de.photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Meteorit/lstand click on Ensisheim 2004. I have just uploadedseveral JPEGs for your viewing pleasure. Of course,you will have to enter your Yahoo password beforeyou can access the pics.Best wishes,BerndPS: By the way, let's be nice and friendly and don't let us once againgo over the "line of common decency". Life can be short and changeabruptly. They found our neighbor, an elderly woman in her eighties.She had fallen in her house, couldn't get up anymore while we werein Ensisheim, her body temperature was only something between 77and 80° F when they found her, and she will probably never againrecover fully (if at all) !__Meteorite-list mailing
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[meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2004

[bernd . pauli]

Hello Yahoo members,

If interested, go to:

http://de.photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Meteorit/lst

and click on Ensisheim 2004. I have just uploaded
several JPEGs for your viewing pleasure. Of course,
you will have to enter your Yahoo password before
you can access the pics.

Best wishes,

Bernd


PS: By the way, let's be nice and friendly and don't let us once again
go over the "line of common decency". Life can be short and change
abruptly. They found our neighbor, an elderly woman in her eighties.
She had fallen in her house, couldn't get up anymore while we were
in Ensisheim, her body temperature was only something between 77
and 80° F when they found her, and she will probably never again
recover fully (if at all) !

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rants

[Michael Farmer]

Mark, it is actually very important to this list. A list member who is a
meteorite dealer has been busted in a serious fraud. Do you think that this
might be important for people who buy from this guy to know? It may not
pertain directly to you, but the list is comprised of hundreds of members,
so it is pertinent to the list itself. I do agree though that there is
little use in further emails regarding this.
The proof has been laid out for all to see.
Michael Farmer
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Rants


> Could you gents take your fight off-line?  This has turned into a
> spam-stream.
>
> Cheers,
> MDF
>
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yes...sorry, but all this chaos is start from the slandering email of Farmer. I not write any other email of this argoument here.will think about it ebay to do clarity
 
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Could you gents take your fight off-line?  This has turned into a
spam-stream.

Cheers,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Fraud Proven

[Michael Farmer]

Wow, you are telling us that you will perpetuate 
your fraud. This of course, will go to ebay as well. 
Do any of you out there actually trust this guy? 

Mike Farmer

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  M come 
  Meteorite Meteorites 
  To: Michael Farmer ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:19 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Fraud 
  Proven
  
  I have another account open...if you not are sure I bid a your auction 
  and you see what is it.
  Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  

Oh yes, POOR Matteo, someone always scamming 
you, either not sending items or ruining the market or bidding on items from 
your home computer.
For all on this list, I get nasty emails DAILY 
from Matteo, I used to post them until I realized that this was not the 
place. So you all know that this is not out of the blue. EBay told me that 
the bids were placed from YOUR computer. 
Are you saying that we are all idiots and you 
were framed? 
Matteo, I suggest you chalk this one up to a 
bad experience, you lost it, EBay trashed you, I trashed you, you asked for 
it by being so stupid. 
Don't even bother registering new names on eBay 
from Italy, I have spoken to my advisor at eBay powersellers and they told 
me that any new users who bid and leave negative feedbacks will simply be 
removed from my account, so whatever you do it won't work. 
 
Find any more Italian falls in your friend's 
yard this week? 
Mike Farmer

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  M 
  come Meteorite Meteorites 
  To: Michael Farmer ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:07 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay 
  Fraud Proven
  
  Farmer is normaly my account is stoped why the bastard have used my 
  personal informations have take from my mcomemeteorite accountand not 
  start to broken with your emails, I have been write to ebay and find who 
  are the person have used my personal informations, and been addvise to the 
  Ebay Fraud. If I wanted to bid your auctions well could use the mine 
  second account of ebay, but sincerely actual do not hold us. . here 
  there is some clever that seeks to fit me but that this turns was taken in 
  fragrant.  
  Stop to broken with this defaming emails.
   
  Matteo
   
  Michael Farmer 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  



Hello list, I am a power seller and just 
spoke with the fraud department of eBay. It seems that Matteo did indeed 
register a new name yesterday from his OWN COMPUTER. The account 
LUNARMETEORITE is attached to the MCOMEMETEORITE account, the name and 
postal code are the same since it has to verify with credit card.  
Since fraud was proven, eBay said that Matteo will likely be removed 
from eBay permanently. It will take a few days to take care of 
though.
    My powerseller advisor 
is working on it now, the auction purchases will be cancelled, and 
Matteo will be removed from eBay for bid-blockage avoidance since I had 
preciously blocked his bidding on my items. Matteo is proven once again 
to be a thief, a liar, and a total fraud. Anyone who buys from him 
deserves to get screwed over. 
Matteo, how friggen stupid can you get? 
What was the purpose of that little retarded escapade? Everyone be sure 
to see Mateo's auctions in a day or so, oh wait, there will be none as 
he will be kicked off of eBay. 
Nice move my Italian idiot. 
This angers me that someone would waste my 
time and money by interfering with my auctions. This is how I make a 
living and we see what Matteo thinks of that. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Matteo

[Michael Farmer]

Randy, some people still give Matteo the benefit of 
the doubt, I hope they will wake up to his scams. They are getting 
old. Remeber when he got thrown off the mailing list and was back on in 
seconds with another name? He has already proven many times over that he is 
quite willing to break the rules and flaunt them in our faces. 
Ebay took care of that today. He was registered 
since 2000, too bad to lose 4 years of feedbacks. 
Mike Farmer

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  Mils 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:08 
  AM
  Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Ebay 
  Matteo
  
  
  
  Nice Work Mike.
  Your suspicions were proven to be correct.  It does not matter what 
  excuse Matteo uses to defend himself.  The fact is Ebay would not have 
  suspended him unless the evidence was 100% clear.
  We all can be sure now who the TRUE liar is and always has been.
  Randy
  >From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

  >Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay Matteo 
  >Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:22:38 -0700 
  > 
  >Lunarmeteorite AND MCOMEMETEORITE are BOTH already kicked off, 
  that was fast, it seems that Ebay can move now when fraud is proven. 
  >SEE ya Matteo How does it feel to lose several years of 
  feedback for being an a-hole? 
  >check ebay, click on search by bidder and try Lunarmeteorite or 
  Mcomemeteorite, both are now no longer registered users. 
  >Michael Farmer 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Fraud Proven

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I have another account open...if you not are sure I bid a your auction and you see what is it.
Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Oh yes, POOR Matteo, someone always scamming you, either not sending items or ruining the market or bidding on items from your home computer.
For all on this list, I get nasty emails DAILY from Matteo, I used to post them until I realized that this was not the place. So you all know that this is not out of the blue. EBay told me that the bids were placed from YOUR computer. 
Are you saying that we are all idiots and you were framed? 
Matteo, I suggest you chalk this one up to a bad experience, you lost it, EBay trashed you, I trashed you, you asked for it by being so stupid. 
Don't even bother registering new names on eBay from Italy, I have spoken to my advisor at eBay powersellers and they told me that any new users who bid and leave negative feedbacks will simply be removed from my account, so whatever you do it won't work. 
 
Find any more Italian falls in your friend's yard this week? 
Mike Farmer

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From: M come Meteorite Meteorites 
To: Michael Farmer ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Fraud Proven

Farmer is normaly my account is stoped why the bastard have used my personal informations have take from my mcomemeteorite accountand not start to broken with your emails, I have been write to ebay and find who are the person have used my personal informations, and been addvise to the Ebay Fraud. If I wanted to bid your auctions well could use the mine second account of ebay, but sincerely actual do not hold us. . here there is some clever that seeks to fit me but that this turns was taken in fragrant.  
Stop to broken with this defaming emails.
 
Matteo
 
Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Hello list, I am a power seller and just spoke with the fraud department of eBay. It seems that Matteo did indeed register a new name yesterday from his OWN COMPUTER. The account LUNARMETEORITE is attached to the MCOMEMETEORITE account, the name and postal code are the same since it has to verify with credit card.  Since fraud was proven, eBay said that Matteo will likely be removed from eBay permanently. It will take a few days to take care of though.
    My powerseller advisor is working on it now, the auction purchases will be cancelled, and Matteo will be removed from eBay for bid-blockage avoidance since I had preciously blocked his bidding on my items. Matteo is proven once again to be a thief, a liar, and a total fraud. Anyone who buys from him deserves to get screwed over. 
Matteo, how friggen stupid can you get? What was the purpose of that little retarded escapade? Everyone be sure to see Mateo's auctions in a day or so, oh wait, there will be none as he will be kicked off of eBay. 
Nice move my Italian idiot. 
This angers me that someone would waste my time and money by interfering with my auctions. This is how I make a living and we see what Matteo thinks of that. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Fraud Proven

[Michael Farmer]

Yep, that is why ebay shut you down. Dont you know 
that everything you do online uses a number code and they can see in seconds 
that it was done from the same computer? If you didn't, you were stupid, and now 
you know. 
No need to look for the bastard (I recall OJ saying 
the same thing) the bastard has been caught and already punished. 
Mike Farmer

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  M come 
  Meteorite Meteorites 
  To: Michael Farmer ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:07 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Fraud 
  Proven
  
  Farmer is normaly my account is stoped why the bastard have used my 
  personal informations have take from my mcomemeteorite accountand not 
  start to broken with your emails, I have been write to ebay and find who are 
  the person have used my personal informations, and been addvise to the Ebay 
  Fraud. If I wanted to bid your auctions well could use the mine second 
  account of ebay, but sincerely actual do not hold us. . here there is some 
  clever that seeks to fit me but that this turns was taken in fragrant.  
  
  Stop to broken with this defaming emails.
   
  Matteo
   
  Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  



Hello list, I am a power seller and just spoke 
with the fraud department of eBay. It seems that Matteo did indeed register 
a new name yesterday from his OWN COMPUTER. The account LUNARMETEORITE is 
attached to the MCOMEMETEORITE account, the name and postal code are the 
same since it has to verify with credit card.  Since fraud was proven, 
eBay said that Matteo will likely be removed from eBay permanently. It will 
take a few days to take care of though.
    My powerseller advisor is 
working on it now, the auction purchases will be cancelled, and Matteo 
will be removed from eBay for bid-blockage avoidance since I had preciously 
blocked his bidding on my items. Matteo is proven once again to be a thief, 
a liar, and a total fraud. Anyone who buys from him deserves to get screwed 
over. 
Matteo, how friggen stupid can you get? What 
was the purpose of that little retarded escapade? Everyone be sure to see 
Mateo's auctions in a day or so, oh wait, there will be none as he will be 
kicked off of eBay. 
Nice move my Italian idiot. 
This angers me that someone would waste my time 
and money by interfering with my auctions. This is how I make a living and 
we see what Matteo thinks of that. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Matteo

[Michael Farmer]

That makes us all feel better that we can still buy 
from a thief and fraud. 
I will forward this email to eBay so that they can 
shut down your otehr account. It is agains ebay rules that you sell when your 
other account is closed. 
This wone take long, anyone who sees Matteo selling 
via another account, please email me, and I will have it shut down too. 

Mike Farmer

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  Meteorite Meteorites 
  To: Michael Farmer ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:10 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay 
  Matteo
  
  I have a second account and I not have problems for buy or put material 
  for sale
  Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  



Lunarmeteorite AND MCOMEMETEORITE are 
BOTH already kicked off, that was fast, it seems that Ebay can move now 
when fraud is proven. 
SEE ya Matteo How does it feel to lose several 
years of feedback for being an a-hole? 
check ebay, click on search by bidder and try 
Lunarmeteorite or Mcomemeteorite, both are now no longer registered users. 

Michael Farmer
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Fraud Proven

[Michael Farmer]

Oh yes, POOR Matteo, someone always scamming you, 
either not sending items or ruining the market or bidding on items from your 
home computer.
For all on this list, I get nasty emails DAILY from 
Matteo, I used to post them until I realized that this was not the place. So you 
all know that this is not out of the blue. EBay told me that the bids were 
placed from YOUR computer. 
Are you saying that we are all idiots and you were 
framed? 
Matteo, I suggest you chalk this one up to a bad 
experience, you lost it, EBay trashed you, I trashed you, you asked for it by 
being so stupid. 
Don't even bother registering new names on eBay 
from Italy, I have spoken to my advisor at eBay powersellers and they told me 
that any new users who bid and leave negative feedbacks will simply be removed 
from my account, so whatever you do it won't work. 
 
Find any more Italian falls in your friend's yard 
this week? 
Mike Farmer

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  M come 
  Meteorite Meteorites 
  To: Michael Farmer ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:07 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Fraud 
  Proven
  
  Farmer is normaly my account is stoped why the bastard have used my 
  personal informations have take from my mcomemeteorite accountand not 
  start to broken with your emails, I have been write to ebay and find who are 
  the person have used my personal informations, and been addvise to the Ebay 
  Fraud. If I wanted to bid your auctions well could use the mine second 
  account of ebay, but sincerely actual do not hold us. . here there is some 
  clever that seeks to fit me but that this turns was taken in fragrant.  
  
  Stop to broken with this defaming emails.
   
  Matteo
   
  Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  wrote:
  



Hello list, I am a power seller and just spoke 
with the fraud department of eBay. It seems that Matteo did indeed register 
a new name yesterday from his OWN COMPUTER. The account LUNARMETEORITE is 
attached to the MCOMEMETEORITE account, the name and postal code are the 
same since it has to verify with credit card.  Since fraud was proven, 
eBay said that Matteo will likely be removed from eBay permanently. It will 
take a few days to take care of though.
    My powerseller advisor is 
working on it now, the auction purchases will be cancelled, and Matteo 
will be removed from eBay for bid-blockage avoidance since I had preciously 
blocked his bidding on my items. Matteo is proven once again to be a thief, 
a liar, and a total fraud. Anyone who buys from him deserves to get screwed 
over. 
Matteo, how friggen stupid can you get? What 
was the purpose of that little retarded escapade? Everyone be sure to see 
Mateo's auctions in a day or so, oh wait, there will be none as he will be 
kicked off of eBay. 
Nice move my Italian idiot. 
This angers me that someone would waste my time 
and money by interfering with my auctions. This is how I make a living and 
we see what Matteo thinks of that. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] WARNING!!!!!!

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is not a italian but a USA person have used my personal informationsno problems, been addvise Ebay of the fraud.Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Matteo, you are a liar and a very poor cheater. I am sure that someone hacked into you OLD email, then registered yesterday just to bid on some of MY auctions. You and I are not friends, so I am curious why some in Italy would waste their time to do this, and why you would mysteriously check your old email to find this travesty. I have opened a fraud investigation with eBay and they will tell me where the bids were made from, they will know if they are from your computer, and I will inform the entire eBay meteorite community once again what a fake and a fraud you are. 
I blocked you as you were calling me every name in the book while trying to buy my meteorites. Take the hint and don't try any more of this crap. 
 
Michael Farmer

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 12:24 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] WARNING!!

Hello all
 
 
WARNING TO ALL My  Ebay was profaned from a bastard idiot that I am wanting to trace.  This morning I have found in a my old mailbox to have win some auctions  that I never have bid - auctions put from Farmer therefore of secure I  not ever bid done why I am stoped to bid from Farmer auctions - and was used a mine old email. The ID used is lunarmeteorite and for sure the person have build a fake informations with a program for build fake Identity - exist these programs. ...  I have been addvise Ebay of this and I hope to find who is this idiot! Remember, my unique ID on ebay its MCOMEMETEORITE Sorry to all for the problems but likely I am uncomfortable to someone if they do myself these things.
Regards
 
Matteo
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Matteo

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I have a second account and I not have problems for buy or put material for sale
Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Lunarmeteorite AND MCOMEMETEORITE are BOTH already kicked off, that was fast, it seems that Ebay can move now when fraud is proven. 
SEE ya Matteo How does it feel to lose several years of feedback for being an a-hole? 
check ebay, click on search by bidder and try Lunarmeteorite or Mcomemeteorite, both are now no longer registered users. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Come on Matteo, let's hear the excuses

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

I not give any excuse to you seen that I do not see of it the motiveMichael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Usually we can't shut you up, now you are being so quiet. 
You started this fraud, it seems that I have finished it. 
Have a nice life and don't mess with me again. 
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RE: [meteorite-list] Ebay Matteo

[Randy Mils]

Nice Work Mike.
Your suspicions were proven to be correct.  It does not matter what excuse Matteo uses to defend himself.  The fact is Ebay would not have suspended him unless the evidence was 100% clear.
We all can be sure now who the TRUE liar is and always has been.
Randy
>From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay Matteo 
>Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 10:22:38 -0700 
> 
>Lunarmeteorite AND MCOMEMETEORITE are BOTH already kicked off, that was fast, it seems that Ebay can move now when fraud is proven. 
>SEE ya Matteo How does it feel to lose several years of feedback for being an a-hole? 
>check ebay, click on search by bidder and try Lunarmeteorite or Mcomemeteorite, both are now no longer registered users. 
>Michael Farmer 
> 
>Anyone doubt that Matteo is a liar anymore? 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Fraud Proven

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Farmer is normaly my account is stoped why the bastard have used my personal informations have take from my mcomemeteorite accountand not start to broken with your emails, I have been write to ebay and find who are the person have used my personal informations, and been addvise to the Ebay Fraud. If I wanted to bid your auctions well could use the mine second account of ebay, but sincerely actual do not hold us. . here there is some clever that seeks to fit me but that this turns was taken in fragrant.  
Stop to broken with this defaming emails.
 
Matteo
 
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Hello list, I am a power seller and just spoke with the fraud department of eBay. It seems that Matteo did indeed register a new name yesterday from his OWN COMPUTER. The account LUNARMETEORITE is attached to the MCOMEMETEORITE account, the name and postal code are the same since it has to verify with credit card.  Since fraud was proven, eBay said that Matteo will likely be removed from eBay permanently. It will take a few days to take care of though.
    My powerseller advisor is working on it now, the auction purchases will be cancelled, and Matteo will be removed from eBay for bid-blockage avoidance since I had preciously blocked his bidding on my items. Matteo is proven once again to be a thief, a liar, and a total fraud. Anyone who buys from him deserves to get screwed over. 
Matteo, how friggen stupid can you get? What was the purpose of that little retarded escapade? Everyone be sure to see Mateo's auctions in a day or so, oh wait, there will be none as he will be kicked off of eBay. 
Nice move my Italian idiot. 
This angers me that someone would waste my time and money by interfering with my auctions. This is how I make a living and we see what Matteo thinks of that. 
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[meteorite-list] Come on Matteo, let's hear the excuses

[Michael Farmer]

Usually we can't shut you up, now you are being so 
quiet. 
You started this fraud, it seems that I have 
finished it. 
Have a nice life and don't mess with me again. 

Michael Farmer
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[meteorite-list] Ebay Matteo

[Michael Farmer]

Lunarmeteorite AND MCOMEMETEORITE are 
BOTH already kicked off, that was fast, it seems that Ebay can move now 
when fraud is proven. 
SEE ya Matteo How does it feel to lose several 
years of feedback for being an a-hole? 
check ebay, click on search by bidder and try 
Lunarmeteorite or Mcomemeteorite, both are now no longer registered users. 

Michael Farmer
 
Anyone doubt that Matteo is a liar anymore? 

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[meteorite-list] Free meteorites

[MexicoDoug]

Nice to know you anyone can collect real meteorites in your back yard for free (see below).  Now until Sunday is a great time to collect some Bootids!  I wonder, though if the magnetism of the cometary parent bodies is enough to be magnetic.  Maybe they are a mix ejected micrometeorites that previously impacted the comet?  Also, at the speeds the particles fall, do they really reach the surface during the showers or is there a significant gap for most?

Also, if one is somehow able to classify a grain of dust so collected and send in a half a particle for curation, would it be allowed to be a named meteorite?  Does the size matter to the Met-Soc, or do they only care how well you classify it?

Saludos

http://www.kyes-world.com/micrometeorites.htm

Collecting Micro-Meteorites;

The tiniest members of our solar system are very small metallic or rocky particles. They are only a few microns in diameter (a micron is .1 cm). It is estimated that up to 100 tons of micrometeorites enter the earth's atmosphere every day. For the most part, they are too small to burn up in Earth's atmosphere like their larger siblings, meteors do. They just float gently down until they reach the surface of our planet! 
More micrometeorites are found in the atmosphere after a meteor shower. The particles' light weight sometimes keep them suspended in the air until they are washed out by rain or snow. They can be collected from the rain or snow because they usually have some traces of iron in them, causing them to be attracted to a magnet. Try to collect rain water before and after a major meteor shower. That way you will be able to measure the increase caused by the shower! This is what you do;
 
Materials Needed:

Bucket or pan to collect rain water in, lined with a plastic bag
2 or 3 cups of distilled water
Magnet inside a plastic bag
Magnetized needle
Magnifying glass
Microscope with about 100X magnification
Microscope slides
LOTS of patience !!!
What to do:

 Have a bucket or pan ready to put out in an open area when it rains. (Wider is Better!) Your meteor collecting pan needs to be lined with a VERY CLEAN (new) heavy plastic bag. This is because you don't want to accidentally start out with any metallic remnants that were here on Earth all along! Place the pan in an open area, where the rain will fall in without first bouncing off of anything like buildings or trees. 
 Try to plan to catch one rain water sample before the meteor shower and another the first time it rains after the meteor shower.
 Next make your meteorite collector. This is a magnet (the strongest one you can find is best), inside a plastic bag. Slowly sweep the bottom of the pan with the collector. Because the metallic meteorites have iron in them they will be attracted to the magnet. You have it in the bag so that - (1) you won't mistake pieces of metal already on the magnet for your little micrometeorites and (2) you don't want to loose them when they want to stay stuck to the magnet.
They will be REALLY - REALLY SMALL so don't get discouraged if it looks like there is nothing there! 
Now put the magnet (still in the bag) gently into a pot (lined with heavy aluminum foil) of distilled water. (Don't use more distilled water than you need. You will have to boil it off later.) Remove the magnet without exposing it to the water. The particles will fall off when you swirl the bag in the water. 
 Re-sweep the rain water several times in this way, adding the sweepings to the same pan of distilled water. Take your time when you do this part, holding the bag snug against the magnet so you don't knock pieces off that you have swept up. 
 Now you need to remove the water. This may be done by boiling it in the aluminum-lined pan. Always have an adult supervise this step !!!
 When the remaining particles are dry remove them with a magnetized needle. (A needle may be magnetized by rubbing it on a magnet several times in the same direction.) Put them on a slide and look at them under a microscope. A 100X microscope is necessary to examine some particles, but a magnifying glass is enough for the larger ones. 
 The particles collected before the shower are your control group. Although some of these may be meteorites it is likely that most are from industrial waste. By comparing them with the group taken after the shower you can more easily sort out the ones that look different than the first batch. Like their larger cousins, it is often a guessing game unless you have a chemical analysis done, which I sure don't know how to do! Generally, though, they may have burned or melted-looking parts. They are often clumpy-looking, like Rocky Road ice cream. There also may be crystalline structures.
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[meteorite-list] Ebay Fraud Proven

[Michael Farmer]

Hello list, I am a power seller and just spoke with 
the fraud department of eBay. It seems that Matteo did indeed register a new 
name yesterday from his OWN COMPUTER. The account LUNARMETEORITE is attached to 
the MCOMEMETEORITE account, the name and postal code are the same since it has 
to verify with credit card.  Since fraud was proven, eBay said that Matteo 
will likely be removed from eBay permanently. It will take a few days to take 
care of though.
    My powerseller advisor is 
working on it now, the auction purchases will be cancelled, and Matteo will 
be removed from eBay for bid-blockage avoidance since I had preciously blocked 
his bidding on my items. Matteo is proven once again to be a thief, a liar, and 
a total fraud. Anyone who buys from him deserves to get screwed over. 

Matteo, how friggen stupid can you get? What was 
the purpose of that little retarded escapade? Everyone be sure to see Mateo's 
auctions in a day or so, oh wait, there will be none as he will be kicked off of 
eBay. 
Nice move my Italian idiot. 
This angers me that someone would waste my time and 
money by interfering with my auctions. This is how I make a living and we see 
what Matteo thinks of that. 
 
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[meteorite-list] Re: Guy from Poland

[MexicoDoug]

Michael Farmer wrote:

>>...and if he wants instant shipping, to sign up to paypal...

Mike, maybe you know, but it is worth mentioning Poles only can use Western Union for the moment, unless they can legally do PayPal using a bank account in a country that has PayPal.  At least that's what I understand.  It seems like the Euro would have made alot of this easier, but I guess banking moves slow.  Here's the PayPal deal for those interested from the PP website:

Non-U.S. Use. To be eligible for an account, you must be a resident of the United States or one of the approved countries listed below: 

Anguilla Argentina Australia+ Austria+ Belgium Brazil Canada+ Chile China Costa Rica Denmark+ Dominican Republic Finland+ France+ Germany+ Greece Hong Kong+ Iceland India Ireland Israel Italy Jamaica Japan+ Luxembourg Mexico+ Netherlands+ New Zealand+ Norway+ Portugal Singapore+ South Korea+ Spain+ Sweden+ Switzerland+ Taiwan+ United Kingdom+ Turkey Malaysia Thailand Venezuela Ecuador Uruguay Monaco 
 
In addition to being able to make payments (read: all the above work for buyers), countries marked with a + in the above table may withdraw funds from their PayPal account to a local bank account, and are considered "Withdrawal Countries" (read: + are those that work for sellers). If you are an Non-U.S. User, you warrant that you are violating no law or regulation by your use of PayPal. 

Saludos

Michael Farmer wrote:

Does anyone in Europe/Poland know this guy? He buys things, then wants them delivered long before he pays for them. I try to email him but ALL emails bounce. I am blocking him from buying from me, as this is a hastle not worth messing with. Anyone who can contact him, please tell him to GET A NEW EMAIL address and if he wants instant shipping, to sign up to paypal. 

 I've sent them 27'th may 2004 on thursday
23 days already passed by , that's more than 3 weeks and still i 
haven't recieved the meteors, i'm wateing for them,and you don't react
(respond). i've sent you exactly 7$ and 50 euro-cents because i haven't 
got american cents.
So i'm wateing for the meteors from you, because that's what honesty 
tells me to do!
I gave you positive coment for kunashak meteor. i got it but if you 
don't sent me Oum rokba, Leshotho and Tektite, i'll really get upset 
and give you 3 negative coments. the whole situation is really 
stressing me.!
Write me back quickly and don't delay the packet

I'm really counting on you. 
Send them as fast as you can. My regards, Marcin mazur

Marcin Mazur
Lipnica Górna 28
38-211 Jaslo 4
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Re: [meteorite-list] WARNING!!!!!!

[Michael Farmer]

Matteo, you are a liar and a very poor cheater. I 
am sure that someone hacked into you OLD email, then registered yesterday just 
to bid on some of MY auctions. You and I are not friends, so I am curious why 
some in Italy would waste their time to do this, and why you would mysteriously 
check your old email to find this travesty. I have opened a fraud investigation 
with eBay and they will tell me where the bids were made from, they will know if 
they are from your computer, and I will inform the entire eBay meteorite 
community once again what a fake and a fraud you are. 
I blocked you as you were calling me every name in 
the book while trying to buy my meteorites. Take the hint and don't try any more 
of this crap. 
 
Michael Farmer

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  M come 
  Meteorite Meteorites 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 12:24 
  AM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] 
  WARNING!!
  
  Hello all
   
   
  WARNING TO ALL My  Ebay was profaned from a 
  bastard idiot that I am wanting to trace.  This morning I have 
  found in a my old mailbox to have win some auctions  that I 
  never have bid - auctions put from Farmer therefore of secure 
  I  not ever bid done why I am stoped to bid from Farmer 
  auctions - and was used a mine old email. The ID used is lunarmeteorite 
  and for sure the person have build a fake informations with a program for 
  build fake Identity - exist these programs. ...  I have been addvise Ebay 
  of this and I hope to find who is this idiot! Remember, my unique ID 
  on ebay its MCOMEMETEORITE Sorry to all for the problems but likely I am 
  uncomfortable to someone if they do myself these things.
  Regards
   
  Matteo
   
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  Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.infoInternational Meteorite 
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[meteorite-list] Weekly EbayMeteorites invite

[Steve Schoner]

I have been out of it for a few weeks and here is my
belated invite.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eBayMeteorites/

Click on this link and take a look.

Steve Schoner


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Re: [meteorite-list] WARNING!!!!!! 2

[Michael Farmer]

What is the deal here Matteo, you bought alot of 
money of my items and you say that it is not you? I want this resolved right 
now. 
Mike Farmer

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  Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 12:27 
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  Ri hello
   
  the idiot have put this informations on ebay
   
  Matteo ChinellatoVia Rubinia 54Treviso, VE, 
  30030Italy041 5416789
   
  the right only is the name,surname, zip and Statethe other its all 
  fake informations.
   
  Matteo
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2004

[GESSLER,NICHOLAS]

Hello,
Here in Paris.
See you in Ste Marie...
Nick

Quoting Zelimir Gabelica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi Moni, Nick, Bernd, List,
> 
> Nick is presently in Paris and then he will attend Ste Marie aux Mines 
> show. I am not sure he could read your post in the meantime. I will meet
> 
> him again at Ste Marie next Thursday and I can forward him your message.
> 
> Nick, Norbert Classen, Sabine Valange and myself are planning to write a
> 
> full report on the Ensisheim meeting for a forthcoming issue of
> "Meteorite" 
> so I know Nick has taken original notes for his part of a report.
> Therefore, I can ask him on Thursday to send to the List soon his 
> "overseas" feelings as a preliminary, original and fresh report.
> 
> Bernd, thanks for your prompt preliminary and very informative (even for
> 
> me) report!
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Zelimir
> 
> 
> 
> A 03:55 22/06/04 -0700, vous avez écrit :
> 
> >Hi Bernd, Nick and list,
> >
> >Bernd, what a wonderful trip for you! Thanks for the report!
> >I am just wondering, Nick will you also write something up for us
> American 
> >list members who stayed behind?
> >That would be very much appreciated by myself and I am sure by others
> too. :-)
> >
> >Sternengruss, Moni
> >
> >Bernd wrote:
> >>There is so much more I could tell you but this post is already too 
> >>lengthy. What a pity
> >>there were no American list members this year. Oops, I forgot! I think
> 
> >>Nick Gessler
> >>was there but somehow I did not find a moment to talk to him or to at 
> >>least say hello.
> >>Maybe next time!
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2004

[Zelimir Gabelica]

Hi Moni, Nick, Bernd, List,
Nick is presently in Paris and then he will attend Ste Marie aux Mines 
show. I am not sure he could read your post in the meantime. I will meet 
him again at Ste Marie next Thursday and I can forward him your message.

Nick, Norbert Classen, Sabine Valange and myself are planning to write a 
full report on the Ensisheim meeting for a forthcoming issue of "Meteorite" 
so I know Nick has taken original notes for his part of a report.
Therefore, I can ask him on Thursday to send to the List soon his 
"overseas" feelings as a preliminary, original and fresh report.

Bernd, thanks for your prompt preliminary and very informative (even for 
me) report!

Best wishes,
Zelimir

A 03:55 22/06/04 -0700, vous avez écrit :
Hi Bernd, Nick and list,
Bernd, what a wonderful trip for you! Thanks for the report!
I am just wondering, Nick will you also write something up for us American 
list members who stayed behind?
That would be very much appreciated by myself and I am sure by others too. :-)

Sternengruss, Moni
Bernd wrote:
There is so much more I could tell you but this post is already too 
lengthy. What a pity
there were no American list members this year. Oops, I forgot! I think 
Nick Gessler
was there but somehow I did not find a moment to talk to him or to at 
least say hello.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2004

[moni waiblinger-seabridge]

Hi Bernd, Nick and list,
Bernd, what a wonderful trip for you! Thanks for the report!
I am just wondering, Nick will you also write something up for us American 
list members who stayed behind?
That would be very much appreciated by myself and I am sure by others too. 
:-)

Sternengruss, Moni
Bernd wrote:
There is so much more I could tell you but this post is already too 
lengthy. What a pity
there were no American list members this year. Oops, I forgot! I think Nick 
Gessler
was there but somehow I did not find a moment to talk to him or to at least 
say hello.
Maybe next time!
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[meteorite-list] AD: Essex Meteorite

[MARK BOSTICK]

Hello list,   The finder of the Essex meteorite has listed some more pieces on eBay.  Search seller: dirtdevils   I have no financial interest in the meteorite, but I think it is fair to say, should a dealer pick up the remaining pieces Scott has left, that we would want twice the price he has is asking.   Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com     cc: Scott Ellis    
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Trading

[Peanut ..]

If there is anyone out there who also has an interest in Coins and would 
like to trade meteorites for coins or tokens, Please let me know!

P-Nut
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[meteorite-list] WARNING!!!!!!

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Hello all
 
 
WARNING TO ALL My  Ebay was profaned from a bastard idiot that I am wanting to trace.  This morning I have found in a my old mailbox to have win some auctions  that I never have bid - auctions put from Farmer therefore of secure I  not ever bid done why I am stoped to bid from Farmer auctions - and was used a mine old email. The ID used is lunarmeteorite and for sure the person have build a fake informations with a program for build fake Identity - exist these programs. ...  I have been addvise Ebay of this and I hope to find who is this idiot! Remember, my unique ID on ebay its MCOMEMETEORITE Sorry to all for the problems but likely I am uncomfortable to someone if they do myself these things.
Regards
 
Matteo
 
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Ri hello
 
the idiot have put this informations on ebay
 
Matteo ChinellatoVia Rubinia 54Treviso, VE, 30030Italy041 5416789
 
the right only is the name,surname, zip and Statethe other its all fake informations.
 
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