Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger - Perry Letters Intermission 3

[Mark Bostick]

Hello Jerry,   Thanks for your comments.  You will note I was talking about Stuart Perry, on the perhaps he will be remembered line.  Perry, I had never heard any of us mention before I started posting this series of letters.    If we ignored that Perry had what most would consider today a large meteorite collection (something of a feat in its day), his donations of money and meteorites to the Smithsonian, the ASU donation to Nininger for field work and his free expert advice and microphotographs to Nininger and others...that would still leave to Perry his efforts to reclassify a good share of all the iron meteorites in the Smithsonian collection, and a large pile of published papers.     Mark www.meteoritearticles.com    
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[meteorite-list] Shirokovsky

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Dear All,
 
As I mentioned it about a week ago, Christophe and I attended both 
Ensisheim and Ste Marie aux Mines shows last month. This year, there was nobody 
proposing any slice of "Shirokovsky" in Ensisheim, but Mikhail Medvedev from St 
Petersburg was in Ste Marie, and sold again some slices of this "meteorite". A 
good friend of mines bought a slice for 200.00 Euros, and was quite ennoyed when 
he was told later that this is not a meteorite.
I know that there was lots of controversial talks about Shirokovsky, but I 
am not 100% sure of the final position (if any) about it.
Could any of you provide some information, I would appreciate.
Thanks and kind regards,
 
Frederic Beroudwww.meteoriteshow.comIMCA 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky

[Peter Marmet]

 
 
Hi Frederic and list,
as far as I know, the lastest info is still this special statement of
the meteoritical society:
http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/shirokovsky.pdf
Peter Marmet
 
meteoriteshow schrieb:

Dear All, As
I mentioned it about a week ago, Christophe and I attended both Ensisheim
and Ste Marie aux Mines shows last month. This year, there was nobody proposing
any slice of "Shirokovsky" in Ensisheim, but Mikhail Medvedev from St Petersburg
was in Ste Marie, and sold again some slices of this "meteorite". A good
friend of mines bought a slice for 200.00 Euros, and was quite ennoyed
when he was told later that this is not a meteorite.I know that
there was lots of controversial talks about Shirokovsky, but I am not 100%
sure of the final position (if any) about it.Could any of you provide
some information, I would appreciate.Thanks and kind regards, Frederic
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AW: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky

[Jörn Koblitz]

Dear 
Frederic,
 
A lot has been written 
about this "pseudo-pallasite". The most important reports can be found under the 
following links:
 
www.meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/shirokovsky.pdf
http://www.geokhi.ru/~meteorit/shirokovsky1-e.html
 
Also look into the list 
archive. There are a lot of postings on this matter.
 
I think the situation 
is rather clear: this Shirosovky material has never been in space 
as:
 
1. cosmogenic nuclides 
are virtually absent (must have been a very-very-very large meteoroid not 
fitting through a 42 cm hole in the ice)
2. noble gas isotopic composition is unlike 
those of pallasites
3. bulk chemistry is 
unlike pallasites
4. trace element ratios are rather 
terrestrial
5. contained olivine 
crystallized under oxidizing conditions (never heard of asteroid-size parent 
bodies)
6. cosmic-ray tracks i olivine not present 
(never seen in pallasites)
7. TL data different from pallasitic olivine 
(rather terrestrial)
8. oxygen isotopic composition = 
terrestrial
 
Putting it together, the 
strongest evidence against a cosmic origin are points 5 and 8 of the 
above list.
 
Jörn
 
 

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  Shirokovsky
  Dear All,
   
  As I mentioned it about a week ago, Christophe and I attended both 
  Ensisheim and Ste Marie aux Mines shows last month. This year, there was 
  nobody proposing any slice of "Shirokovsky" in Ensisheim, but Mikhail Medvedev 
  from St Petersburg was in Ste Marie, and sold again some slices of this 
  "meteorite". A good friend of mines bought a slice for 200.00 Euros, and was 
  quite ennoyed when he was told later that this is not a meteorite.
  I know that there was lots of controversial talks about Shirokovsky, but 
  I am not 100% sure of the final position (if any) about it.
  Could any of you provide some information, I would appreciate.
  Thanks and kind regards,
   
  Frederic Beroudwww.meteoriteshow.comIMCA 
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[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture Of The Day - July 6, 2004

[SPACEROCKSINC]

http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/July_6.htmlIMCA#5184
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture Of The Day - July 6, 2004

[meteoriteshow]

Gorgeous!
 
Frederic Beroudwww.meteoriteshow.comIMCA 
#2491

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Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky

[meteoriteshow]

Hi Peter and All,
 
Many thanks to all of you for your replies. I will use the information in 
order to ask the organiser of Ste Marie aux Mines Show, not to allow this 
"meteorite" to be diplayed and proposed to collectors any longer. I hope to be 
successful, but chances will increase if they receive more reactions against 
this trick!
I'll keep the List informed about it.
Kind regards,
 
Frederic Beroudwww.meteoriteshow.comIMCA 
#2491

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  Marmet 
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  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 
  Shirokovsky
      
  Hi Frederic and list, 
  as far as I know, the lastest info is still this special statement of the 
  meteoritical society: 
  http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/shirokovsky.pdf 

  Peter Marmet   
  meteoriteshow schrieb: 
  

Dear All, As I mentioned it about a week ago, 
Christophe and I attended both Ensisheim and Ste Marie aux Mines shows last 
month. This year, there was nobody proposing any slice of "Shirokovsky" in 
Ensisheim, but Mikhail Medvedev from St Petersburg was in Ste Marie, and 
sold again some slices of this "meteorite". A good friend of mines bought a 
slice for 200.00 Euros, and was quite ennoyed when he was told later that 
this is not a meteorite.I know that there was lots of controversial 
talks about Shirokovsky, but I am not 100% sure of the final position (if 
any) about it.Could any of you provide some information, I would 
appreciate.Thanks and kind regards, Frederic 
  Beroud
  
  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans

[Martin Altmann]

Hello list!

Great stone - always a pleasure to watch the meteorite of the day at
Spacerocksinc!

As nice as the specimen may be, the owner isn't.

I never did this before and hope not to have to do it in future,
but I have to warn everyone on this list to make business with Bob Evans.

Bob Evans ordered from wellknown list member Stefan Ralew last autumn
meteorites for 1000$.
Stefan sent the specimens, but they aren't paid until today.
Bob Evans stated to have sent a money order, but it never arrived.
Well a letter always can be lost in mail and with checks or money orders
it's really no problem to block it and to issue a new one.
Instead of this Bob Evans claimed, that Stefan recieved the money (he
didn't).
Each bank can verify easy, whether a check was cashed. It's a question of a
few minutes.
Bob Evans refused to ask at his bank, kept the stones and continues to claim
Stefan to be fraudulent.

This is a completely improper behaviour and in my eyes the meteorite
community just has no need for such persons.

You may think, that this is not my cup of tea, but I know Stefan to be of
modest character, so that he never would address to the list in that case. I
wrote also to Evans personnally with no reactions.
1000$ are quite a sum and we all know Stefan for his efforts to offer
meteorites of outstanding quality at extreme low prices.
With this mail I want to preserve both collectors and dealers from similar
experiences with Mr.Bob Evans.

So:
Please don't sell to or trade with Bob Evans, nor bid on his auctions (ID:
maccers531)
until he will have solved that situation.

To avoid misunderstandings: Spacerocksinc has nothing to do with that thing.

Thanks a lot!
Martin Altmann


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Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger - Perry Letters Intermission 3

[Jerry A. Wallace]

Hi Mark,
After a slow and careful re-read of your letter, it's now obvious to me
that you were indeed referring to the esteemed, talented, generous, and
underappreciated Mr. Stuart H. Perry (1874-1957.)
My apologies for my incorrect assumption. So I guess- Nevermind and
Carry On.
Thanks once more for your efforts.
Jerry
PS...I promise to read much more carefully in the future.

Mark Bostick wrote:
Hello Jerry,
 
Thanks for your comments.  You will note I was talking about Stuart 
Perry, on the perhaps he will be remembered line.  Perry, I had never 
heard any of us mention before I started posting this series of letters. 
 
If we ignored that Perry had what most would consider today a large 
meteorite collection (something of a feat in its day), his donations 
of money and meteorites to the Smithsonian, the ASU donation to 
Nininger for field work and his free expert advice and 
microphotographs to Nininger and others...that would still leave to 
Perry his efforts to reclassify a good share of all the iron 
meteorites in the Smithsonian collection, and a large pile of 
published papers.
 
 
Mark
www.meteoritearticles.com 
 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky

[martinh]

Hi All,

For those who save their Meteorite magazines, the Park Forest Special (August 2003) 
contains a informative (I think anyway) news story about the Shirokovsky rock. 

Also, anyone besides me notice some slight parallels between Shirokovsky and the story 
Dan Brown (the Divinci Code author) weaves in his 2001 book titled Deception Point?

Cheers,

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RE: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky

[mark ford]

Hi,

I would still like to know is, if indeed it is 'fake', how the hell was
it created? The debate seems to have 'gone quiet'.

Coz I'd sure like to know how they did it! If it wasn't created where
the hell did it originate?

Seems to me that the evidence only really rests on the fact that the
olivine isotopic's sit right on the terrestrial line... could this be
explained away by any other cause except it being 'from Earth'.



Mark Ford




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Hi All,

For those who save their Meteorite magazines, the Park Forest Special
(August 2003) contains a informative (I think anyway) news story about
the Shirokovsky rock. 

Also, anyone besides me notice some slight parallels between Shirokovsky
and the story Dan Brown (the Divinci Code author) weaves in his 2001
book titled Deception Point?

Cheers,

Martin








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[meteorite-list] AD: Freed from their glass prison

[Mark Bostick]

 After over a year of hard time, and few weekend visits my meteorite collection on loan to our museum downtown is now back at home. Because their extended stay it almost feels like I have a bunch of new toys. So before I figure out where to squeeze them into my display room I thought I would make an offer part of the displayed collection to the list. All meteorites will come with a signed letter from me stating the length and location of display. Most also come with (Roman's) labels.   Chinga Individual, 2583g, $750.00 Gibeon Individual, 1405g, $800.00 Tulia (a) complete slice, 256.4g, $350.00 NWA 1195 Martian meteorite complete slice, 1.386g, $1200.00 NWA 1195 Martian meteorite cast (free with above) Toluca Individual, 610g $400.00 Brenham meteorite slice, 33.1g, $150.00 Cape York 676g, $3500.00 Sikhote Shrapnel, 2048g, $400.00 Gold Basin individual, 204.1g, $150.00 Libyan Glass, 153.2g, $150.00 Faucett, 75.7g, $250.00 Nadiabondi, 131g, $700.00 Georgiaite 11.37g, $1100.00 NWA 869 individual, 16lb., make offer Forestburg (b), 170.8g, $400.00 Tektite Philippinite 424.4g, $350 Tektite Chinese dumbell, very nice, 63.0g., $50.00 Tektite Chinese teardrop, very nice, 76.1g., $60.00   E-mail any questions, or for photographs, some of these items can be found in the gallery on my website. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.comPlease visit, www.MeteoriteArticles.com, a free on-line archive of meteor and meteorite articles.
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RE: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky

[Marc D. Fries]

Howdy,

I second the motion - a chunk of mantle boundary material, whether its
from Earth of not, deserves an explanation!  Here's a question - if it
came from the Moon would it also fall on the terrestrial fractionation
line?

Any chance its a fake?  Perhaps someone melted some Nantans and poured
them over a bunch of olivine or something like that.  I've never seen the
thing firsthand; does it have a Widmannstatten pattern?

Cheers,
MDF


>
> Hi,
>
> I would still like to know is, if indeed it is 'fake', how the hell was
> it created? The debate seems to have 'gone quiet'.
>
> Coz I'd sure like to know how they did it! If it wasn't created where
> the hell did it originate?
>
> Seems to me that the evidence only really rests on the fact that the
> olivine isotopic's sit right on the terrestrial line... could this be
> explained away by any other cause except it being 'from Earth'.
>
>
>
> Mark Ford
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 06 July 2004 15:21
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
>
> Hi All,
>
> For those who save their Meteorite magazines, the Park Forest Special
> (August 2003) contains a informative (I think anyway) news story about
> the Shirokovsky rock.
>
> Also, anyone besides me notice some slight parallels between Shirokovsky
> and the story Dan Brown (the Divinci Code author) weaves in his 2001
> book titled Deception Point?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Martin
>
>
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>
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[meteorite-list] Shirokovsky

[mark ford]

Marc,

I believe it doesn't have any structure, if it did have widmanstattens
then there could be little doubt I guess!

I really don't think you could pour molten iron over sharp olivine
crystals and get the same end result as Shirokovsky -  wouldn't the
Olivine just shatter into tiny pieices or craze over?  Molten Iron is
hellishly hot, You would probably need to do it under intense
pressure...

 If it has been faked (and im not saying it is..) I take my hat of to
the genius who made it! 

Your point about Lunar origins is an itersesting one, I don't know
enough about the chemistry to answer that, but the issue is I think that
the metal seemed extra terrestrial and the Olivine Terrestrial, that's
the anomaly

This stuff certainly had a lot of quite expert people 'fooled' that's
for sure.

To me the circumstances surrounding it's 'discovery' where certianly a
bit odd too, (although part of that may be due to translation from
Russian) wasn't it found under water in a cooling pond?


In all the pictures I have seen, to me it doesn't quite seem right for a
pallasite the crystals look a bit too 'sharp and pointed', (just an
observation) anyone agree with me?



Mark


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Howdy,

I second the motion - a chunk of mantle boundary material, whether its
from Earth of not, deserves an explanation!  Here's a question - if it
came from the Moon would it also fall on the terrestrial fractionation
line?

Any chance its a fake?  Perhaps someone melted some Nantans and poured
them over a bunch of olivine or something like that.  I've never seen
the
thing firsthand; does it have a Widmannstatten pattern?

Cheers,
MDF


>
> Hi,
>
> I would still like to know is, if indeed it is 'fake', how the hell
was
> it created? The debate seems to have 'gone quiet'.
>
> Coz I'd sure like to know how they did it! If it wasn't created where
> the hell did it originate?
>
> Seems to me that the evidence only really rests on the fact that the
> olivine isotopic's sit right on the terrestrial line... could this be
> explained away by any other cause except it being 'from Earth'.
>
>
>
> Mark Ford
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 06 July 2004 15:21
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky
>
> Hi All,
>
> For those who save their Meteorite magazines, the Park Forest Special
> (August 2003) contains a informative (I think anyway) news story about
> the Shirokovsky rock.
>
> Also, anyone besides me notice some slight parallels between
Shirokovsky
> and the story Dan Brown (the Divinci Code author) weaves in his 2001
> book titled Deception Point?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[meteorite-list] Shirokovsky and Deception Point

[Matson, Robert]

Hi Martin and List,

> Also, anyone besides me notice some slight parallels between Shirokovsky
> and the story Dan Brown (the Divinci Code author) weaves in his 2001 book
> titled Deception Point?

Indeed -- one of the first thoughts that came to mind while reading
the book.  I mentioned _Deception Point_ on this list a month or so
ago to see if anyone else had read it, and was surprised that not
one person responded.  Dan Brown's book is the first (and probably
the last) New York Times top-10 book in which a meteorite figures so
prominently in the plot.  --Rob
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[meteorite-list] New Mineral Proves an Old Idea about Space Weathering (Hapkeite)

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/July04/newMineral.html

New Mineral Proves an Old Idea about Space Weathering
Planetary Science Research Discoveries
July 5, 2004

--- A newly discovered vapor-deposited iron silicide in a lunar
meteorite has been named hapkeite.

Written by Linda M. V. Martel
Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology

Discovered in a lunar meteorite, a new mineral named hapkeite honors the
scientist, Bruce Hapke (Emeritis Professor at University of Pittsburg),
who nearly 30 years ago predicted the importance of vaporization as one
of the processes in space weathering. The new iron silicide mineral
(Fe2Si) was announced by the research team of Mahesh Anand (formerly at
the University of Tennessee, Knoxville and now at the Natural History
Museum, London), Larry Taylor (University of Tennessee, Knoxville),
Mikhail Nazarov (Vernadsky Institute of Geochemistry and Analytical
Chemistry, Moscow), Jinfu Shu, Ho-kwang Mao, and Russell Hemley
(Carnegie Institution of Washington). This mineral likely formed by
impact vaporization of the lunar soil and subsequent condensation of the
iron and silicon into tiny metal grains. The researchers conclude that
Fe-Si phases are more common in the lunar soil than previously thought.
It is nanophase-sized Fe0, these Fe-Si phases, and other space
weathering products that profoundly affect the optical properties of the
lunar soil at visible and near infrared wavelengths and must be taken
into account when interpreting remote sensing data of the Moon.

Reference:

Anand, M., Taylor, L. A., Nazarov, M. A., Shu, J., Mao H.-K., and
Hemley, R. J. (2004) Space weathering on airless planetary bodies: clues
from the lunar mineral hapkeite. Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences, v. 101, no. 18, p. 6847-6851.



Lunar Surface

whole Moon The countless craters and basins we see on the Moon attest to
a long history of meteorite bombardment. It's a bombardment rate that
reached a maximum about 3.85 billion years ago--based on the ages of
highland breccia samples returned by the Apollo astronauts. Since then,
a lesser but continuous barrage of micrometeorites and charged particles
from the Sun and stars has been generating a powdery surface, also
called regolith (or soil, though no biologic component is implied in the
name.) With nothing to stop or slow down the incoming space debris, due
to a near-complete lack of any atmosphere on the Moon, even the tiniest
grains (mostly 10s to 150 micrometers) hit the Moon's surface at full
cosmic velocity, 20 or more kilometers per second [that is, about
70,000-150,000 km/hr]. The pulverized powdery regolith is just what
you'd expect from impact debris. It has rock and mineral fragments,
impact glasses, and particles called agglutinates that are mineral and
rock fragments stuck together by impact glass. And, the high-energy
micrometeorite impacts cause flash-melting, vaporization, and
redeposition of some of the surface materials. The phenomenon
responsible for the physical and chemical makeup of the Moon's surface
is utterly unique to airless planetary bodies--space weathering.

Most of the lunar regolith is smaller than fine sand and about 20% is
smaller than 0.02 millimeters, which helps to preserve the astronaut's
bootprints. Dragging a rake through the regolith allowed the astronauts
to collect rock fragments.



Space Weathering

Space weathering is generally defined as the processes (such as
meteorite, micrometeorite, and cosmic dust bombardment, solar wind ion
implantation, and sputtering, but also including deep vacuum and
temperatures approaching absolute zero [-273 oC]) that change the
physical structure, optical properties, and chemical and mineralogical
properties of the surface of an airless planetary body from their
original conditions. It applies to the Moon, Mercury, and asteroids, as
well as other small bodies such as Phobos and Deimos. The concept
blossomed in the early 1970s when cosmochemists studying rock and
regolith samples returned by the Apollo astronauts compared what they
were finding with what was already known of the Moon's surface through
telescopic spectral studies. There were some surprise results in the
laboratories! Apollo regolith samples were darker and spectrally redder
than the remote sensing data.

lightbulb Bruce Hapke (Emeritis Professor at University of Pittsburg)
and colleagues worked on the question of why the lunar soil becomes
darker and spectrally redder with time. In 1975, they proposed that
metallic iron would be among the elements and compounds vaporized during
space weathering and subsequently condensed in glassy coatings on the
surfaces of surrounding soil grains. These iron droplets would be
minute, only nanometers in size (billionths of a meter), but they would
dramatically alter how light interacts with the surface materials and,
h

Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky

[Pekka Savolainen]

Olivine has been widely used to protect the owens during the
iron-melting process. To me the most common explanation
is, that the melting-owen has exploded or been destroyed in some
other way in a very high temperature, the slag was thrown to the
lake on 50:s, and the divers found it, when they were searching
the "real" Shirokovsky (the bolide really exists).
Think there is no reason to belive, the material is made for the purpose
to sell it as a meteorite, and the finders really thought, they have found
a pallasite.
Anyway, the material looks more like-iron-nickel ore with olivine than
a pallasite to me.
Just my 2 cents...;-
best,
pekka s
mark ford wrote:
Hi,
I would still like to know is, if indeed it is 'fake', how the hell was
it created? The debate seems to have 'gone quiet'.
Coz I'd sure like to know how they did it! If it wasn't created where
the hell did it originate?
Seems to me that the evidence only really rests on the fact that the
olivine isotopic's sit right on the terrestrial line... could this be
explained away by any other cause except it being 'from Earth'.

Mark Ford

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky

Hi All,
For those who save their Meteorite magazines, the Park Forest Special
(August 2003) contains a informative (I think anyway) news story about
the Shirokovsky rock. 

Also, anyone besides me notice some slight parallels between Shirokovsky
and the story Dan Brown (the Divinci Code author) weaves in his 2001
book titled Deception Point?
Cheers,
Martin



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Re: [meteorite-list] Fires Threaten Graham Mountain Observatory (Arizona)

[John K. Gwilliam]

In addition to the fire on Mt. Graham, there are five or six other fires 
currently burning in Arizona.  The "Willow" fire near Payson, (Marv & Kitty 
Killgore's home town) has charred nearly 70,000 acres and is less than 10% 
contained. Here in Arizona, we're in for a tough fire season this year due 
to the ongoing drought.  To compound the problem, the forests are full of 
dead trees killed by infestations of bark beetles.

How about some of you wet climate folks send us down some rain!
Best,
John Gwilliam
At 08:51 PM 7/5/2004, Paul H wrote:
Fire still threatens Arizona observatory
Washington Times, DC -
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040705-021707-9766r.htm
"Phoenix, AZ, Jul. 5 (UPI) -- A stubborn wildfire in
southern Arizona remained a threat Monday to the Mount
Graham Observatory, considered one of the top
astronomy
sites in the nation."
Two wildfires threatening observatory and houses
http://www.10tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1999424
Yours,
Paul
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[meteorite-list] Hupe Brothers Hunt World for Meteorites

[Ron Baalke]

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/180904_meteor06.html

They're after what's rocking our world

Brothers hunt world for meteorites -- and now they're here

By M.L. LYKE 
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER
July 6, 2004

TACOMA -- In search of space booty, the Hupe brothers have bartered with
Bedouins, scoured the Sahara, jet-trotted halfway across America on a
moment's notice, bankrolls in hand.

But the Hupes' latest meteorite hunt zooms in right here at home.

The two brothers want a piece of the action from the stunning June 3
meteor show, a booming flash-dance over Snohomish that turned night to day.

They aren't alone. Three teams from three states are working the fall,
trying to trace the trajectory of the meteor, and the site where it may,
possibly, have deposited a bit of exotic and -- if discovered -- pricey
debris from outer space.

"The meteor fell on my birthday, and it's in my own back yard. It's
ridiculous!" says Adam Hupe, 42. He's 11 months older than Greg and
equally excitable when talking falling space rocks.

The brothers, overgrown Hardy Boys who sold a multimillion-dollar
computer company to focus on their hobby, have amassed one of the
world's largest private collections of meteorites in a few short years.

"They're relatively new to the scene, but they've rather quickly become
major players," says Robert Matson, a respected space scientist working
out of Seal Beach, Calif.

Most of the Hupes' specimens come from North African desert lands, and
some are worth thousands more than their weight in gold. But the
brothers have no Washington space specimens.

No surprise. An estimated 13,000 meteors fall to our planet each year.
Yet only five scientifically recognized meteorites have ever been found
in our state.

"Believe me," says Adam, "once the first confirmed piece shows up here,
I'm all over it -- we both are."

The Hupes, who'll be featured in an upcoming Outside magazine profile,
are local go-to guys for hopeful earthlings bearing strange black rocks.
And they have already fielded some duds from our June fireworks show.

Callers reported weird piles of rocks that suddenly appeared in
Shoreline after the June 3 streaker. They turned out to be road gravel.
A big black chunk found near Sea-Tac was asphalt -- more terrestrial ho-hum.

"You have to tell these people gingerly, let them down slowly," says Greg.

"They get so excited," says Adam.

The Hupes (pronounced "Who-pays") grew up as the only boys among six
children. They were buddies from the get-go.

"Were we close? Yeah!" says Adam.

"Oh, yeah," says Greg, head nodding.

They began treasure hunting in earnest at ages 11 and 12, when their
father, an Army general, gave them their first metal detector, used to
dig up centuries-old treasures in old buildings. The two call meteorite
hunting "the ultimate treasure hunt."

Greg and Adam were in their 20s when they launched a computer hardware
business in their mother's basement and garage. By the time they retired
at 37 and 38, they had turned it into the multimillion-dollar-a-year
enterprise called Computer Performance.

The Hupes had all the boy toys -- homes, sleek cars, RVs, boats -- and
no time to use them. Weary of long hours and constant pressure, they
cashed out just before the stock market collapsed, dumped the "stuff"
and turned their attention to the hunt.

Currently, Adam lives in a tiny, bare-bones apartment near Point
Defiance Park in Tacoma. Greg is headed out to Florida in a U-Haul truck
he bought at a bargain rate, with plans to hunt treasure from sunken
galleons and search fossils. They're both single, and if heaven falls,
travel-ready in an instant.

Insiders say the Hupes have brought a new business sensibility to the
collection of meteorites. They invest serious money in their North
African expeditions, hire dealers who speak Berber dialects to recruit
nomad hunters, and offer sizable rewards for discoveries.

When not overseas themselves, they communicate with dealers via e-mail
and cell phone, which is how they learned about the discovery of half a
martian rock. They called their dealer, told him to send out nomads to
find the other part. When their man had Part Two in hand, Greg hopped a
30-hour flight, met him at the airport, and tried to subdue his
eagerness as he fit the pieces together.

The two had a code phrase -- "The eagle has landed" -- to confirm the fit.

When Greg uttered it, Adam began to whoop and holler.

"And I had to remain calm and composed!" says Greg. "If they know you're
excited, you won't get it."

Meteors from asteroids are relatively common. But the brothers' chunk of
the Red Planet is one of only 31 confirmed martians on record. There are
also 31 confirmed finds from the moon.

The Hupes have prized pieces from both, including the coveted "Desert
Lady," so-called because the large lunar rock passed through so many
hands before they acquired it.

A single thin slice of that white-and-gray moon meteorite listed on the
Bonhams and Butte

[meteorite-list] Re: Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans

[RYAN PAWELSKI]

I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a $125 refund 
from Bob over a month ago and I still have not received my money back, nor have I 
recieved a response from him after several email and phone call attempts. Well, I 
checked his Ebay history a few days ago and noticed that he had placed a $1500 bid on 
a meteorite not too long ago, yet he cannot afford to return my hard-earned money back 
to me? Never again! I warn everyone else not to do any business with Bob Evans.  His 
unprofessionalism is a joke. 

Ryan

-Original Message-
From: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jul 6, 2004 7:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans

Hello list!

Great stone - always a pleasure to watch the meteorite of the day at
Spacerocksinc!

As nice as the specimen may be, the owner isn't.

I never did this before and hope not to have to do it in future,
but I have to warn everyone on this list to make business with Bob Evans.

Bob Evans ordered from wellknown list member Stefan Ralew last autumn
meteorites for 1000$.
Stefan sent the specimens, but they aren't paid until today.
Bob Evans stated to have sent a money order, but it never arrived.
Well a letter always can be lost in mail and with checks or money orders
it's really no problem to block it and to issue a new one.
Instead of this Bob Evans claimed, that Stefan recieved the money (he
didn't).
Each bank can verify easy, whether a check was cashed. It's a question of a
few minutes.
Bob Evans refused to ask at his bank, kept the stones and continues to claim
Stefan to be fraudulent.

This is a completely improper behaviour and in my eyes the meteorite
community just has no need for such persons.

You may think, that this is not my cup of tea, but I know Stefan to be of
modest character, so that he never would address to the list in that case. I
wrote also to Evans personnally with no reactions.
1000$ are quite a sum and we all know Stefan for his efforts to offer
meteorites of outstanding quality at extreme low prices.
With this mail I want to preserve both collectors and dealers from similar
experiences with Mr.Bob Evans.

So:
Please don't sell to or trade with Bob Evans, nor bid on his auctions (ID:
maccers531)
until he will have solved that situation.

To avoid misunderstandings: Spacerocksinc has nothing to do with that thing.

Thanks a lot!
Martin Altmann


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-Original Message-
From: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jul 6, 2004 7:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans

Hello list!

Great stone - always a pleasure to watch the meteorite of the day at
Spacerocksinc!

As nice as the specimen may be, the owner isn't.

I never did this before and hope not to have to do it in future,
but I have to warn everyone on this list to make business with Bob Evans.

Bob Evans ordered from wellknown list member Stefan Ralew last autumn
meteorites for 1000$.
Stefan sent the specimens, but they aren't paid until today.
Bob Evans stated to have sent a money order, but it never arrived.
Well a letter always can be lost in mail and with checks or money orders
it's really no problem to block it and to issue a new one.
Instead of this Bob Evans claimed, that Stefan recieved the money (he
didn't).
Each bank can verify easy, whether a check was cashed. It's a question of a
few minutes.
Bob Evans refused to ask at his bank, kept the stones and continues to claim
Stefan to be fraudulent.

This is a completely improper behaviour and in my eyes the meteorite
community just has no need for such persons.

You may think, that this is not my cup of tea, but I know Stefan to be of
modest character, so that he never would address to the list in that case. I
wrote also to Evans personnally with no reactions.
1000$ are quite a sum and we all know Stefan for his efforts to offer
meteorites of outstanding quality at extreme low prices.
With this mail I want to preserve both collectors and dealers from similar
experiences with Mr.Bob Evans.

So:
Please don't sell to or trade with Bob Evans, nor bid on his auctions (ID:
maccers531)
until he will have solved that situation.

To avoid misunderstandings: Spacerocksinc has nothing to do with that thing.

Thanks a lot!
Martin Altmann


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:06 PM
Subject: [m

[meteorite-list] Re: Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans

[RYAN PAWELSKI]

Well, Bob Evans just called me after reading my email to the list and he was 
pissed-off as I had expected he would be.. nearly shouting at me through the phone 
line.  It doesn't look like I wil be getting "a penny back" from him, so it looks like 
I'll have to use alternate routes to get my money back. Sorry to everyone else who has 
to read this, but his reaction to the situation is unacceptable. By the way BobI'm 
22 years old, not 15 as you had asked me during our brief phone altercation this 
evening. See you in Tucson next year... I'm sure everyone will be giving you a warm 
welcome.

Ryan


-Original Message-
From: RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jul 6, 2004 5:46 PM
To: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans

I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a $125 refund 
from Bob over a month ago and I still have not received my money back, nor have I 
recieved a response from him after several email and phone call attempts. Well, I 
checked his Ebay history a few days ago and noticed that he had placed a $1500 bid on 
a meteorite not too long ago, yet he cannot afford to return my hard-earned money back 
to me? Never again! I warn everyone else not to do any business with Bob Evans.  His 
unprofessionalism is a joke. 

Ryan

-Original Message-
From: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jul 6, 2004 7:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans

Hello list!

Great stone - always a pleasure to watch the meteorite of the day at
Spacerocksinc!

As nice as the specimen may be, the owner isn't.

I never did this before and hope not to have to do it in future,
but I have to warn everyone on this list to make business with Bob Evans.

Bob Evans ordered from wellknown list member Stefan Ralew last autumn
meteorites for 1000$.
Stefan sent the specimens, but they aren't paid until today.
Bob Evans stated to have sent a money order, but it never arrived.
Well a letter always can be lost in mail and with checks or money orders
it's really no problem to block it and to issue a new one.
Instead of this Bob Evans claimed, that Stefan recieved the money (he
didn't).
Each bank can verify easy, whether a check was cashed. It's a question of a
few minutes.
Bob Evans refused to ask at his bank, kept the stones and continues to claim
Stefan to be fraudulent.

This is a completely improper behaviour and in my eyes the meteorite
community just has no need for such persons.

You may think, that this is not my cup of tea, but I know Stefan to be of
modest character, so that he never would address to the list in that case. I
wrote also to Evans personnally with no reactions.
1000$ are quite a sum and we all know Stefan for his efforts to offer
meteorites of outstanding quality at extreme low prices.
With this mail I want to preserve both collectors and dealers from similar
experiences with Mr.Bob Evans.

So:
Please don't sell to or trade with Bob Evans, nor bid on his auctions (ID:
maccers531)
until he will have solved that situation.

To avoid misunderstandings: Spacerocksinc has nothing to do with that thing.

Thanks a lot!
Martin Altmann


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Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:06 PM
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-Original Message-
From: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jul 6, 2004 7:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans

Hello list!

Great stone - always a pleasure to watch the meteorite of the day at
Spacerocksinc!

As nice as the specimen may be, the owner isn't.

I never did this before and hope not to have to do it in future,
but I have to warn everyone on this list to make business with Bob Evans.

Bob Evans ordered from wellknown list member Stefan Ralew last autumn
meteorites for 1000$.
Stefan sent the specimens, but they aren't paid until today.
Bob Evans stated to have sent a money order, but it never arrived.
Well a letter always can be lost in mail and with checks or money orders
it's really no problem to block it and to issue a new one.
Instead of this Bob Evans claimed, that Stefan recieved the money (he
didn't).
Each bank can verify easy, whether a check was cashed. It's a question of a
few minutes.
Bob Evans refused to ask at his bank, kept the stones and continues to claim
Stefan to be fraudulent.

This is a completely improper behaviour and in my eyes the meteorite
community just has

[meteorite-list] Bash Bob Evans Day

[Comcast Mail]

Ok,

Here goes... The money order to Stefan was mailed out sometime in
October last year. Why wait 9 months to bring it up here on the list?
There were some inquiries that I responded to approx. 4 months after the
payment was sent. Unfortunately Martin and Stefan dont want to forward my
email responses.
I should add that Stefan is a complete gentleman, and I never accused him of
being fraudulent.
Martin, If you have any proof of me accusing him of being fraudulent .
please share it with the list !
Of course you cant , BECAUSE I NEVER DID !

By the way Martin. If I never responded to your inquiries , how did
you know I accused him of being fraudulent? Can you read my mind ?

As for Ryan He requested that I cancel approx. 8 to 10 meteorite
ebay auctions ( which I did ) so that he may buy the whole lot. Then he
waits one week and tells me that he wants his $125.00 deposit back. This
obviously put me in a jam, anyone knows that I sell material to acquire new
meteorites.
So , I get pissed off and take my time refunding the money. Go ahead and
shoot me!! Some Dealers would have told him to go to hell for wasting their
time and would never have dealt with him again.

So beware of  Ryan he likes to have you cancel auctions, pay a deposit and
then later back out and ask for a refund. Shame on you little boy

As for the other people Ive dealt with in my short time collecting, I want
to say I appreciate all of the sales, trades, discussions etc.
To name a few Mike Farmer, Dave Shultz, Steve Arnold Chgo., Michael Blood,
Eric Olsen, Rob Wesel, Jim Schwade, Bob Cucciara, Bob Haag

Ask them If I ever stiffed them on money.

And please have a look at my ebay feedback  user ID : maccers531
Sorry, no  evidence of fraud there either.

Thanks
Bob Evans


- Original Message -
From: RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:46 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans


> I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a
$125 refund from Bob over a month ago and I still have not received my money
back, nor have I recieved a response from him after several email and phone
call attempts. Well, I checked his Ebay history a few days ago and noticed
that he had placed a $1500 bid on a meteorite not too long ago, yet he
cannot afford to return my hard-earned money back to me? Never again! I warn
everyone else not to do any business with Bob Evans.  His unprofessionalism
is a joke.
>
> Ryan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Jul 6, 2004 7:08 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans
>
> Hello list!
>
> Great stone - always a pleasure to watch the meteorite of the day at
> Spacerocksinc!
>
> As nice as the specimen may be, the owner isn't.
>
> I never did this before and hope not to have to do it in future,
> but I have to warn everyone on this list to make business with Bob Evans.
>
> Bob Evans ordered from wellknown list member Stefan Ralew last autumn
> meteorites for 1000$.
> Stefan sent the specimens, but they aren't paid until today.
> Bob Evans stated to have sent a money order, but it never arrived.
> Well a letter always can be lost in mail and with checks or money orders
> it's really no problem to block it and to issue a new one.
> Instead of this Bob Evans claimed, that Stefan recieved the money (he
> didn't).
> Each bank can verify easy, whether a check was cashed. It's a question of
a
> few minutes.
> Bob Evans refused to ask at his bank, kept the stones and continues to
claim
> Stefan to be fraudulent.
>
> This is a completely improper behaviour and in my eyes the meteorite
> community just has no need for such persons.
>
> You may think, that this is not my cup of tea, but I know Stefan to be of
> modest character, so that he never would address to the list in that case.
I
> wrote also to Evans personnally with no reactions.
> 1000$ are quite a sum and we all know Stefan for his efforts to offer
> meteorites of outstanding quality at extreme low prices.
> With this mail I want to preserve both collectors and dealers from similar
> experiences with Mr.Bob Evans.
>
> So:
> Please don't sell to or trade with Bob Evans, nor bid on his auctions (ID:
> maccers531)
> until he will have solved that situation.
>
> To avoid misunderstandings: Spacerocksinc has nothing to do with that
thing.
>
> Thanks a lot!
> Martin Altmann
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 12:06 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture Of The Day - July 6,
2004
>
>
> http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/July_6.html
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Bash Bob Evans Day

[Martin Altmann]

Hi,

I'm not willing to invest my time in that story, nor do I want to molest the
list further with that.
Nor should you waste to much time in defending -
go instead to your bank and let prove whether the chek was cashed.
If not, send a new one to Stefan, if yes and the check was issued on Stefan
Ralew as recipient, the bank has to refund it.
Simple thing, only solution

and then the sun will be shining again.
Martin

- Original Message - 
From: "Comcast Mail" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Meteorite list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "RYAN PAWELSKI"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 1:55 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bash Bob Evans Day


> Ok,
>
> Here goes... The money order to Stefan was mailed out sometime in
> October last year. Why wait 9 months to bring it up here on the list?
> There were some inquiries that I responded to approx. 4 months after the
> payment was sent. Unfortunately Martin and Stefan dont want to forward my
> email responses.
> I should add that Stefan is a complete gentleman, and I never accused him
of
> being fraudulent.
> Martin, If you have any proof of me accusing him of being fraudulent .
> please share it with the list !
> Of course you cant , BECAUSE I NEVER DID !
>
> By the way Martin. If I never responded to your inquiries , how
did
> you know I accused him of being fraudulent? Can you read my mind ?
>
> As for Ryan He requested that I cancel approx. 8 to 10 meteorite
> ebay auctions ( which I did ) so that he may buy the whole lot. Then he
> waits one week and tells me that he wants his $125.00 deposit back. This
> obviously put me in a jam, anyone knows that I sell material to acquire
new
> meteorites.
> So , I get pissed off and take my time refunding the money. Go ahead and
> shoot me!! Some Dealers would have told him to go to hell for wasting
their
> time and would never have dealt with him again.
>
> So beware of  Ryan he likes to have you cancel auctions, pay a deposit and
> then later back out and ask for a refund. Shame on you little boy
>
> As for the other people Ive dealt with in my short time collecting, I want
> to say I appreciate all of the sales, trades, discussions etc.
> To name a few Mike Farmer, Dave Shultz, Steve Arnold Chgo., Michael Blood,
> Eric Olsen, Rob Wesel, Jim Schwade, Bob Cucciara, Bob Haag
>
> Ask them If I ever stiffed them on money.
>
> And please have a look at my ebay feedback  user ID : maccers531
> Sorry, no  evidence of fraud there either.
>
> Thanks
> Bob Evans
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:46 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans
>
>
> > I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a
> $125 refund from Bob over a month ago and I still have not received my
money
> back, nor have I recieved a response from him after several email and
phone
> call attempts. Well, I checked his Ebay history a few days ago and noticed
> that he had placed a $1500 bid on a meteorite not too long ago, yet he
> cannot afford to return my hard-earned money back to me? Never again! I
warn
> everyone else not to do any business with Bob Evans.  His
unprofessionalism
> is a joke.
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Jul 6, 2004 7:08 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans
> >
> > Hello list!
> >
> > Great stone - always a pleasure to watch the meteorite of the day at
> > Spacerocksinc!
> >
> > As nice as the specimen may be, the owner isn't.
> >
> > I never did this before and hope not to have to do it in future,
> > but I have to warn everyone on this list to make business with Bob
Evans.
> >
> > Bob Evans ordered from wellknown list member Stefan Ralew last autumn
> > meteorites for 1000$.
> > Stefan sent the specimens, but they aren't paid until today.
> > Bob Evans stated to have sent a money order, but it never arrived.
> > Well a letter always can be lost in mail and with checks or money orders
> > it's really no problem to block it and to issue a new one.
> > Instead of this Bob Evans claimed, that Stefan recieved the money (he
> > didn't).
> > Each bank can verify easy, whether a check was cashed. It's a question
of
> a
> > few minutes.
> > Bob Evans refused to ask at his bank, kept the stones and continues to
> claim
> > Stefan to be fraudulent.
> >
> > This is a completely improper behaviour and in my eyes the meteorite
> > community just has no need for such persons.
> >
> > You may think, that this is not my cup of tea, but I know Stefan to be
of
> > modest character, so that he never would address to the list in that
case.
> I
> > wrote also to Evans personnally with no reactions.
> > 1000$ are quite a sum and we all know Stefan for his efforts to offer
> > meteorites of outstanding quality at

[meteorite-list] AD - Beautiful CV3 Slices

[Rob Wesel]

Hello all -

We have seen a lot of the new NWA 3118 CV3 in it's individual and fragment
form but not much sliced. I have a few pieces expertly prepared, all showing
abundant chondrules and most showing a huge inclusion that ran straight
through the piece. What you see in the photos is all that I have available.

Priced at:
0.1-10.0 grams  $8 per gram
10.1-20.0 grams  $7 per gram
20.1-40.0 grams  $6 per gram
>40 grams $5 per gram

All are sliced nice and thin around 2mm

I also have two pieces of just the inclusion material that is a sliced
nodule found in the strewnfield, a meteorite within a meteorite showing it's
own fine chondrules.
0.5 gram endcut $50
3.3 gram endcut $300

Photos here, sorry to have to use the scanner but they are so polished that
the camera flash was causing all kinds of hell:
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/robandcolleen11197/album?.dir=/b740

I also have a few of these left, $12 each:
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/robandcolleen11197/detail?.dir=/2146&.dnm=b354.jpg

Rob Wesel
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[meteorite-list] Re: Bash Bob Evans Day

[RYAN PAWELSKI]

To set things straight once and for all..


1. Bob, I first called you at 5:53pm CST to inquire about the refund, yet you claimed 
that you would have to wait a few hours to send the refund via Paypal since you did 
not have internet access at the time, thus proving yet another blatant lie from you;  
your defensive and unprofessional response to my email (to the list) came through at 
6:08pm CST, a time-lapse of only 15 minutes. No internet access for a few hours???

2. Also, regarding the original transaction; as I had told you over the phone, I was 
unable to make the payment (in excess of $1000)  due to the fact that I had not 
received a large payment that I had been expecting to receive from a sale that I had 
made. The buyer that I had made the deal with finally backed out after two nearly two 
months of negotiations,  so please don't act like it hasn't happened to anyone other 
that you before, because If it didn't we wouldn't be in the situation and both of us 
would be happy.  I told you that I was sorry for not being able to come through on the 
deal, but unlike others,  I have more important financial priorities over collecting 
meteorites.

3. I understand that you had to take the extra time to relist your auctions. However,  
per Ebay policy, odds are you didn't loose any money as a result of this since no 
additional fees are charged to one's account if the unsold  items sell the second time 
around.

4. "Shame on you little boy"  Wow, very mature of you, Bob. At least I don't act like 
one. 


I am sorry that I had to go public with this, but I believe that it has importance so 
that others can avoid any similar experiences in the future. Thank you for your time.

Ryan



 

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Sent: Jul 6, 2004 6:55 PM
To: Meteorite list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bash Bob Evans Day

Ok,

Here goes... The money order to Stefan was mailed out sometime in
October last year. Why wait 9 months to bring it up here on the list?
There were some inquiries that I responded to approx. 4 months after the
payment was sent. Unfortunately Martin and Stefan dont want to forward my
email responses.
I should add that Stefan is a complete gentleman, and I never accused him of
being fraudulent.
Martin, If you have any proof of me accusing him of being fraudulent .
please share it with the list !
Of course you cant , BECAUSE I NEVER DID !

By the way Martin. If I never responded to your inquiries , how did
you know I accused him of being fraudulent? Can you read my mind ?

As for Ryan He requested that I cancel approx. 8 to 10 meteorite
ebay auctions ( which I did ) so that he may buy the whole lot. Then he
waits one week and tells me that he wants his $125.00 deposit back. This
obviously put me in a jam, anyone knows that I sell material to acquire new
meteorites.
So , I get pissed off and take my time refunding the money. Go ahead and
shoot me!! Some Dealers would have told him to go to hell for wasting their
time and would never have dealt with him again.

So beware of  Ryan he likes to have you cancel auctions, pay a deposit and
then later back out and ask for a refund. Shame on you little boy

As for the other people Ive dealt with in my short time collecting, I want
to say I appreciate all of the sales, trades, discussions etc.
To name a few Mike Farmer, Dave Shultz, Steve Arnold Chgo., Michael Blood,
Eric Olsen, Rob Wesel, Jim Schwade, Bob Cucciara, Bob Haag

Ask them If I ever stiffed them on money.

And please have a look at my ebay feedback  user ID : maccers531
Sorry, no  evidence of fraud there either.

Thanks
Bob Evans


- Original Message -
From: RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:46 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans


> I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a
$125 refund from Bob over a month ago and I still have not received my money
back, nor have I recieved a response from him after several email and phone
call attempts. Well, I checked his Ebay history a few days ago and noticed
that he had placed a $1500 bid on a meteorite not too long ago, yet he
cannot afford to return my hard-earned money back to me? Never again! I warn
everyone else not to do any business with Bob Evans.  His unprofessionalism
is a joke.
>
> Ryan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Jul 6, 2004 7:08 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans
>
> Hello list!
>
> Great stone - always a pleasure to watch the meteorite of the day at
> Spacerocksinc!
>
> As nice as the specimen may be, the owner isn't.
>
> I never did this before and hope not to have to do it in future,
> but I have to warn everyone on this list to make business with B

Re: [meteorite-list] Fires Threaten Graham Mountain Observatory (Arizona)

[Impactika]

In a message dated 7/6/2004 3:57:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Here in Arizona, we're in for a tough fire season this year due to the ongoing drought.  To compound the problem, the forests are full of dead trees killed by infestations of bark beetles.How about some of you wet climate folks send us down some rain!
 
Sorry, but we can't help you much here in Colorado.
We have been getting some moisture in the last 3 weeks and plenty of thunderstorms. That does help, but we are not out of woods!       ;-) 
 
 
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[meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for July is up

[Paul Harris]

Dear List,
MeteoriteTimes.com for July is now up.
http://www.meteoritetimes.com/
A big thank you to all whom contribute their time and energy to share with 
everyone.

Enjoy!
Paul and Jim

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[meteorite-list] Looking for Harald Stehlik

[Paul Harris]

Dear Harald and List,
I'm looking to contact Harald.  If anyone has his e-mail please forward it 
to me privately
or contact Harald so that he may contact me.

Someone is looking to get your permission to use some of your images for an 
article in
Meteorite Magazine.

Thank you,
Paul

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[meteorite-list] Arizona fire

[Michael Farmer]

Again for the last 3 years, my state has been 
ravaged by fire. We are in a 10 year drought, and it is getting worse. 

I flew over the fire today and it was terrible, the 
smoke plume was over 30,000 feet high. They remain confident on the news 
that the observatory will be saved, but my brother is up there fighting the fire 
and he thinks it may burn. They had to be evacuated on Friday night as the fire 
blew up so big, and many people deployed fire shelters, a last resort (you get 
under a small blanket of aluminum foil and let the fire go over you). So things 
are not going well. 
 
On another note, I will be in Europe on Friday and 
anyone from Europe who wants to buy anything from me, I can ship from Germany on 
Friday, so less shipping and rapid delivery.
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RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Bash Bob Evans Day

[Mauro Daniel]

Bob Evans its another Cosmicvisitors alias Brad Sampson...sent money no 
material, useless excuses aside the mailbox not go etc.


From: RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Bash Bob Evans Day
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:54:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
To set things straight once and for all..
1. Bob, I first called you at 5:53pm CST to inquire about the refund, yet 
you claimed that you would have to wait a few hours to send the refund via 
Paypal since you did not have internet access at the time, thus proving yet 
another blatant lie from you;  your defensive and unprofessional response 
to my email (to the list) came through at 6:08pm CST, a time-lapse of only 
15 minutes. No internet access for a few hours???

2. Also, regarding the original transaction; as I had told you over the 
phone, I was unable to make the payment (in excess of $1000)  due to the 
fact that I had not received a large payment that I had been expecting to 
receive from a sale that I had made. The buyer that I had made the deal 
with finally backed out after two nearly two months of negotiations,  so 
please don't act like it hasn't happened to anyone other that you before, 
because If it didn't we wouldn't be in the situation and both of us would 
be happy.  I told you that I was sorry for not being able to come through 
on the deal, but unlike others,  I have more important financial priorities 
over collecting meteorites.

3. I understand that you had to take the extra time to relist your 
auctions. However,  per Ebay policy, odds are you didn't loose any money as 
a result of this since no additional fees are charged to one's account if 
the unsold  items sell the second time around.

4. "Shame on you little boy"  Wow, very mature of you, Bob. At least I 
don't act like one.

I am sorry that I had to go public with this, but I believe that it has 
importance so that others can avoid any similar experiences in the future. 
Thank you for your time.

Ryan


-Original Message-
From: Comcast Mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jul 6, 2004 6:55 PM
To: Meteorite list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Bash Bob Evans Day
Ok,
Here goes... The money order to Stefan was mailed out sometime in
October last year. Why wait 9 months to bring it up here on the list?
There were some inquiries that I responded to approx. 4 months after the
payment was sent. Unfortunately Martin and Stefan dont want to forward my
email responses.
I should add that Stefan is a complete gentleman, and I never accused him 
of
being fraudulent.
Martin, If you have any proof of me accusing him of being fraudulent .
please share it with the list !
Of course you cant , BECAUSE I NEVER DID !

By the way Martin. If I never responded to your inquiries , how did
you know I accused him of being fraudulent? Can you read my mind ?
As for Ryan He requested that I cancel approx. 8 to 10 meteorite
ebay auctions ( which I did ) so that he may buy the whole lot. Then he
waits one week and tells me that he wants his $125.00 deposit back. This
obviously put me in a jam, anyone knows that I sell material to acquire new
meteorites.
So , I get pissed off and take my time refunding the money. Go ahead and
shoot me!! Some Dealers would have told him to go to hell for wasting their
time and would never have dealt with him again.
So beware of  Ryan he likes to have you cancel auctions, pay a deposit and
then later back out and ask for a refund. Shame on you little boy
As for the other people Ive dealt with in my short time collecting, I want
to say I appreciate all of the sales, trades, discussions etc.
To name a few Mike Farmer, Dave Shultz, Steve Arnold Chgo., Michael Blood,
Eric Olsen, Rob Wesel, Jim Schwade, Bob Cucciara, Bob Haag
Ask them If I ever stiffed them on money.
And please have a look at my ebay feedback  user ID : maccers531
Sorry, no  evidence of fraud there either.
Thanks
Bob Evans
- Original Message -
From: RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:46 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans
> I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a
$125 refund from Bob over a month ago and I still have not received my 
money
back, nor have I recieved a response from him after several email and phone
call attempts. Well, I checked his Ebay history a few days ago and noticed
that he had placed a $1500 bid on a meteorite not too long ago, yet he
cannot afford to return my hard-earned money back to me? Never again! I 
warn
everyone else not to do any business with Bob Evans.  His unprofessionalism
is a joke.
>
> Ryan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Jul 6, 2004 7:08 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] E

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Bash Bob Evans Day

[Michael Farmer]

Mauro, AKA Matteo. Hey Matteo, you back on ebay yet?
Mike Farmer
We are not idiots like yourself.





- Original Message - 
From: "Mauro Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:41 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Bash Bob Evans Day


> Bob Evans its another Cosmicvisitors alias Brad Sampson...sent money no
> material, useless excuses aside the mailbox not go etc.
>
>
>
> >From: RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Bash Bob Evans Day
> >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:54:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> >
> >To set things straight once and for all..
> >
> >
> >1. Bob, I first called you at 5:53pm CST to inquire about the refund, yet
> >you claimed that you would have to wait a few hours to send the refund
via
> >Paypal since you did not have internet access at the time, thus proving
yet
> >another blatant lie from you;  your defensive and unprofessional response
> >to my email (to the list) came through at 6:08pm CST, a time-lapse of
only
> >15 minutes. No internet access for a few hours???
> >
> >2. Also, regarding the original transaction; as I had told you over the
> >phone, I was unable to make the payment (in excess of $1000)  due to the
> >fact that I had not received a large payment that I had been expecting to
> >receive from a sale that I had made. The buyer that I had made the deal
> >with finally backed out after two nearly two months of negotiations,  so
> >please don't act like it hasn't happened to anyone other that you before,
> >because If it didn't we wouldn't be in the situation and both of us would
> >be happy.  I told you that I was sorry for not being able to come through
> >on the deal, but unlike others,  I have more important financial
priorities
> >over collecting meteorites.
> >
> >3. I understand that you had to take the extra time to relist your
> >auctions. However,  per Ebay policy, odds are you didn't loose any money
as
> >a result of this since no additional fees are charged to one's account if
> >the unsold  items sell the second time around.
> >
> >4. "Shame on you little boy"  Wow, very mature of you, Bob. At least I
> >don't act like one.
> >
> >
> >I am sorry that I had to go public with this, but I believe that it has
> >importance so that others can avoid any similar experiences in the
future.
> >Thank you for your time.
> >
> >Ryan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Comcast Mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Jul 6, 2004 6:55 PM
> >To: Meteorite list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: [meteorite-list] Bash Bob Evans Day
> >
> >Ok,
> >
> >Here goes... The money order to Stefan was mailed out sometime in
> >October last year. Why wait 9 months to bring it up here on the list?
> >There were some inquiries that I responded to approx. 4 months after the
> >payment was sent. Unfortunately Martin and Stefan dont want to forward my
> >email responses.
> >I should add that Stefan is a complete gentleman, and I never accused him
> >of
> >being fraudulent.
> >Martin, If you have any proof of me accusing him of being fraudulent
.
> >please share it with the list !
> >Of course you cant , BECAUSE I NEVER DID !
> >
> >By the way Martin. If I never responded to your inquiries , how
did
> >you know I accused him of being fraudulent? Can you read my mind ?
> >
> >As for Ryan He requested that I cancel approx. 8 to 10 meteorite
> >ebay auctions ( which I did ) so that he may buy the whole lot. Then he
> >waits one week and tells me that he wants his $125.00 deposit back. This
> >obviously put me in a jam, anyone knows that I sell material to acquire
new
> >meteorites.
> >So , I get pissed off and take my time refunding the money. Go ahead and
> >shoot me!! Some Dealers would have told him to go to hell for wasting
their
> >time and would never have dealt with him again.
> >
> >So beware of  Ryan he likes to have you cancel auctions, pay a deposit
and
> >then later back out and ask for a refund. Shame on you little boy
> >
> >As for the other people Ive dealt with in my short time collecting, I
want
> >to say I appreciate all of the sales, trades, discussions etc.
> >To name a few Mike Farmer, Dave Shultz, Steve Arnold Chgo., Michael
Blood,
> >Eric Olsen, Rob Wesel, Jim Schwade, Bob Cucciara, Bob Haag
> >
> >Ask them If I ever stiffed them on money.
> >
> >And please have a look at my ebay feedback  user ID : maccers531
> >Sorry, no  evidence of fraud there either.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Bob Evans
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:46 PM
> >Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Explicite WARNING !! Bob Evans
> >
> >
> > > I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a
> >$125 

[meteorite-list] Shirokovsky - Some Thoughts

[Paul H]

Peter Marmet wrote:

>as far as I know, the lastest info is still this 
>special statement of the meteoritical society:

http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/shirokovsky.pdf
"

One really curious thing about the Shirokovsky 
material is that its K-Ar age of the olivine is 
"about 270 million years".  This is curious because
there are metalliferous ultramafic rocks of that age,
which contain dunite, a rock composed entirely of 
olivine. 

What is also most curious is that Au, Ir, and Os of 
the olivine is typical of olivine found in Cu-Ni 
deposits. It is curious because, there are large 
ultramafic Cu-Ni ore deposits that occur in Russia
which contain olivine-rich rocks. For example,
there are "seven major ore deposits associated 
with the basal portions of such olivine rich 
intrusives" in the Noril'sk / Talnakh Ni-Cu-PGE 
(Platinum-Group Elements) ore deposits. By coincidence

or not, these olivine-rich intrusives are part of  
subsurface sills associated with extensive flood 
basalt accumulations, called the "Siberian Traps",  
is about 251 million years in age, which is quite 
close to the "about 270 million years age" of the
Shirokovsky material. The inexact age determination
made on it, could be off by 20 million years.

Within the Central Urals, there are numerous
ultramafic
complexes that contain dunites associated with rich
chromite and PGE (Platinum-Group Elements) 
mineralization and ores. Any of these could be
potential nearby sources of the olivine, which might 
have been associated with ore being transported or 
smelted. 

Given the detailed analyses of the olivine in the 
Shirokovsky material, a person should be able to 
determine whether any potential / possible source for 
the olivine described in the above Meteoritical 
Society Report exists within Russia.

mark ford wrote: 

>In all the pictures I have seen, to me 
>it doesn't quite seem right for a
>pallasite the crystals look a bit too 
>sharp and pointed', (just an observation) 
>anyone agree with me?

I agree completely with you. Go read  "[meteorite-
list] Shirokovsky Texture - A Red Flag As to Its 
Origin??" at:

http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2003-June/091826.html

There I stated:

" I have been looking at a number of pictures of
fragments of Shirokovsky that were shown on 
various web pages and pictures of pallasites.  
After comparing them, there appears to be, in 
my opinion, a rather drastic difference in the 
texture of the olivine grains within each. In the 
pallasites, indvidual grains are equant and either 
rounded or euhedral. Also, in the pallasites, a 
person can find examples of olivine grains that 
have coalesced together. 

Examples of this texture can be seen at:

http://www.meteoriteman.com/collection/thiel.htm
http://www.meteoriteman.com/collection/dora.htm
http://www.meteoriteman.com/collection/mtvernon.htm
http://meteorites.asu.edu/pallasite.jpg

In comparison, pictures of the pieces of 
Shirokovsky that I have found have a different 
texture. the olivine crystals are far more angular 
and variable in outline than found in the pallasites,
for which I found pictures. In fact, some of the
olivine pieces in pictures of Shirokovsky are even 
flat rectagular blades quite unlike anything seen 
in true pallasites. In addition, I don't see any of 
the merged / coalesced olivines seen in other, 
Overall, the Shirokovsky has the appearance of a 
terrazzo floor made up of fragmented rocks." 

Yours,

Paul
Baton Rouge, LA




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[meteorite-list] Moldavite question

[minador]

Hi list,

I saw a seller selling a Moldavite as a "great channeling crystal".  Aren't
Moldavites a type of impactite glass, and thus lacking crystal structure
(amorphous)?

Also, I was checking in an old geology dictionary, and it mentions that
Moldavites are a type of ozocerite (also spelled ozokerite).  A mineral
paraffin wax (aka mineral wax, fossil wax, earth wax & native paraffin).
Has anyone heard of ozocerite and know how they are (were) associated with
Moldavites?

Thanks,

Mark Bowling
Vail, AZ, USA


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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Bash Bob Evans Day

[Mauro Daniel]

sorry Farmer but you have take a dazzleand stop this your battle against 
italian people.


From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mauro Daniel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Bash Bob Evans Day
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 22:14:45 -0700

Mauro, AKA Matteo. Hey Matteo, you back on ebay yet?
Mike Farmer
We are not idiots like yourself.


- Original Message -
From: "Mauro Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 9:41 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Bash Bob Evans Day
> Bob Evans its another Cosmicvisitors alias Brad Sampson...sent money no
> material, useless excuses aside the mailbox not go etc.
>
>
>
> >From: RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Bash Bob Evans Day
> >Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:54:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> >
> >To set things straight once and for all..
> >
> >
> >1. Bob, I first called you at 5:53pm CST to inquire about the refund, 
yet
> >you claimed that you would have to wait a few hours to send the refund
via
> >Paypal since you did not have internet access at the time, thus proving
yet
> >another blatant lie from you;  your defensive and unprofessional 
response
> >to my email (to the list) came through at 6:08pm CST, a time-lapse of
only
> >15 minutes. No internet access for a few hours???
> >
> >2. Also, regarding the original transaction; as I had told you over the
> >phone, I was unable to make the payment (in excess of $1000)  due to 
the
> >fact that I had not received a large payment that I had been expecting 
to
> >receive from a sale that I had made. The buyer that I had made the deal
> >with finally backed out after two nearly two months of negotiations,  
so
> >please don't act like it hasn't happened to anyone other that you 
before,
> >because If it didn't we wouldn't be in the situation and both of us 
would
> >be happy.  I told you that I was sorry for not being able to come 
through
> >on the deal, but unlike others,  I have more important financial
priorities
> >over collecting meteorites.
> >
> >3. I understand that you had to take the extra time to relist your
> >auctions. However,  per Ebay policy, odds are you didn't loose any 
money
as
> >a result of this since no additional fees are charged to one's account 
if
> >the unsold  items sell the second time around.
> >
> >4. "Shame on you little boy"  Wow, very mature of you, Bob. At least I
> >don't act like one.
> >
> >
> >I am sorry that I had to go public with this, but I believe that it has
> >importance so that others can avoid any similar experiences in the
future.
> >Thank you for your time.
> >
> >Ryan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Comcast Mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Jul 6, 2004 6:55 PM
> >To: Meteorite list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > RYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: [meteorite-list] Bash Bob Evans Day
> >
> >Ok,
> >
> >Here goes... The money order to Stefan was mailed out sometime 
in
> >October last year. Why wait 9 months to bring it up here on the list?
> >There were some inquiries that I responded to approx. 4 months after 
the
> >payment was sent. Unfortunately Martin and Stefan dont want to forward 
my
> >email responses.
> >I should add that Stefan is a complete gentleman, and I never accused 
him
> >of
> >being fraudulent.
> >Martin, If you have any proof of me accusing him of being fraudulent
.
> >please share it with the list !
> >Of course you cant , BECAUSE I NEVER DID !
> >
> >By the way Martin. If I never responded to your inquiries , how
did
> >you know I accused him of being fraudulent? Can you read my mind ?
> >
> >As for Ryan He requested that I cancel approx. 8 to 10 
meteorite
> >ebay auctions ( which I did ) so that he may buy the whole lot. Then he
> >waits one week and tells me that he wants his $125.00 deposit back. 
This
> >obviously put me in a jam, anyone knows that I sell material to acquire
new
> >meteorites.
> >So , I get pissed off and take my time refunding the money. Go ahead 
and
> >shoot me!! Some Dealers would have told him to go to hell for wasting
their
> >time and would never have dealt with him again.
> >
> >So beware of  Ryan he likes to have you cancel auctions, pay a deposit
and
> >then later back out and ask for a refund. Shame on you little boy
> >
> >As for the other people Ive dealt with in my short time collecting, I
want
> >to say I appreciate all of the sales, trades, discussions etc.
> >To name a few Mike Farmer, Dave Shultz, Steve Arnold Chgo., Michael
Blood,
> >Eric Olsen, Rob Wesel, Jim Schwade, Bob Cucciara, Bob Haag
> >
> >Ask them If I ever stiffed them on money.
> >
> >And please have a look at my ebay feedback  user ID : maccers531
> >Sorry, no  evidence of fraud there either.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Bob Evans
> >
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >Fr

Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Bash Bob Evans Day

[Dave Andrews]

Mauro Daniel wrote:
sorry Farmer but you have take a dazzleand stop this your battle 
against italian people.
That's strange.  Matteo and yourself must be sharing the same computer 
then.  

82.88.123.236
Best,
Dave

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