Re: [meteorite-list] Mikes SA.... WOW!!!!!
nice picture, but unfrotunatly that one aint forsale! From: Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mikes SA WOW! Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:10:54 -0800 Hey All, Hah, those are nothings. Now this sucker has a hole. http://fernlea.tripod.com/thering.jpg Photo courtesy of Rob Elliot. ;n) Regards, Jason __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mikes SA.... WOW!!!!!
Hey All, Hah, those are nothings. Now this sucker has a hole. http://fernlea.tripod.com/thering.jpg Photo courtesy of Rob Elliot. ;n) Regards, Jason __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad-Robert Haags collection pieces
I have 2 pieces arrive from Haag Collection, one its Mayo belwa and another its a slice of Mount Dyrringlittle but arrive from the main pieces of Haag Collection Matteo --- DNAndrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > Hey Bob, > You have one Ex-Haag piece I'm interested in. > Gunlockyou know...the > one that "Windy Steve" would never part with. > Let me know what you want for it. I'm not kidding > or poking fun at > anyone. I'm serious. > > Dave > > bob cucchiara wrote: > > >I have 2 rare meteorite offerings from the > collection of Bob Haag. I am > >pleased to offer these to the Met list first and > will be taking offers on > >these pieces. The best offer received meeting my > low reserve, which will not > >be disclosed, will be awarded the piece. I will > take offers for 7 days > >ending on Sunday Feb. 20th at 6PM Pacific time. If > the reserve is not met, > >these pieces will either be offered on e bay or cut > up. Both specimens will > >come with an officially signed Robert Haag specimen > card. > > > > > > > >The 1st offering is a 618 gram rare quarter cut of > Salla with 2 polished > >faces and patches of fusion crust. This stone is > strange as each of the > >faces displays a completely different matrix. Salla > was found in 1963. > >L6-Low TKW of 5.833 Kg. This piece comes from a > Helsinki University trade > >with what I believe to be a university # B5100 on > it. This piece can be > >viewed in the new Robert Haags Collection of > Meteorites book on page 103 or > >his old field guide on page 45 as specimen #126. > Additional photos > >available on request. > > > > > > > >The 2nd offering is a 756 gram, fusion crusted, > quarter cut end piece of the > >rare Russian found Muslyumovo with 3 polished > faces. H4-Low TKW of 10.58 > >Kg-Find 1964 This piece comes from a Russian > academy of Sciences trade with > >their cloth tag and specimen #J55I8. This piece > can be viewed in the new > >Robert Haags Collection of Meteorites book on page > 115 or is old field guide > >on page 51 as specimen #154. Additional photos > available on request. > > > > > > > >All offers or any further questions please e mail > me off list.. > > > > > > > >Thank you > > > >Bob Cucchiara > > > >IMCA #1221 > > > >Meteoritemadness > > > >__ > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mikes SA.... WOW!!!!!
take a look to this http://it.geocities.com/meteoriti20002/SikhoteAlin2.JPG this is a hole Matteo --- Tom Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6512336890&rd=1 > > Thanks, Tom > peregrineflier <>< > IMCA 6168 > http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm > http://fstop.proboards24.com/ > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Gunlock Hype (???)
And there is Cocklebiddy, too. John Kashuba Ontario, California - Original Message - From: "RYAN PAWELSKI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Gunlock Hype (???) Just wondering what all the hype about Gunlock is for? It's limited availability to collectors, or because it has a cool name? However, Gunlock still doesn't beat Billy Goat Donga or Cockburn., or even Milly Milly or Millbillillie. Ryan -Original Message- From: DNAndrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Feb 14, 2005 8:53 PM To: bob cucchiara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad-Robert Haags collection pieces Hey Bob, You have one Ex-Haag piece I'm interested in. Gunlockyou know...the one that "Windy Steve" would never part with. Let me know what you want for it. I'm not kidding or poking fun at anyone. I'm serious. Dave bob cucchiara wrote: I have 2 rare meteorite offerings from the collection of Bob Haag. I am pleased to offer these to the Met list first and will be taking offers on these pieces. The best offer received meeting my low reserve, which will not be disclosed, will be awarded the piece. I will take offers for 7 days ending on Sunday Feb. 20th at 6PM Pacific time. If the reserve is not met, these pieces will either be offered on e bay or cut up. Both specimens will come with an officially signed Robert Haag specimen card. The 1st offering is a 618 gram rare quarter cut of Salla with 2 polished faces and patches of fusion crust. This stone is strange as each of the faces displays a completely different matrix. Salla was found in 1963. L6-Low TKW of 5.833 Kg. This piece comes from a Helsinki University trade with what I believe to be a university # B5100 on it. This piece can be viewed in the new Robert Haags Collection of Meteorites book on page 103 or his old field guide on page 45 as specimen #126. Additional photos available on request. The 2nd offering is a 756 gram, fusion crusted, quarter cut end piece of the rare Russian found Muslyumovo with 3 polished faces. H4-Low TKW of 10.58 Kg-Find 1964 This piece comes from a Russian academy of Sciences trade with their cloth tag and specimen #J55I8. This piece can be viewed in the new Robert Haags Collection of Meteorites book on page 115 or is old field guide on page 51 as specimen #154. Additional photos available on request. All offers or any further questions please e mail me off list.. Thank you Bob Cucchiara IMCA #1221 Meteoritemadness __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Gunlock Hype (???)
Just wondering what all the hype about Gunlock is for? It's limited availability to collectors, or because it has a cool name? However, Gunlock still doesn't beat Billy Goat Donga or Cockburn., or even Milly Milly or Millbillillie. Ryan -Original Message- From: DNAndrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Feb 14, 2005 8:53 PM To: bob cucchiara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad-Robert Haags collection pieces Hey Bob, You have one Ex-Haag piece I'm interested in. Gunlockyou know...the one that "Windy Steve" would never part with. Let me know what you want for it. I'm not kidding or poking fun at anyone. I'm serious. Dave bob cucchiara wrote: >I have 2 rare meteorite offerings from the collection of Bob Haag. I am >pleased to offer these to the Met list first and will be taking offers on >these pieces. The best offer received meeting my low reserve, which will not >be disclosed, will be awarded the piece. I will take offers for 7 days >ending on Sunday Feb. 20th at 6PM Pacific time. If the reserve is not met, >these pieces will either be offered on e bay or cut up. Both specimens will >come with an officially signed Robert Haag specimen card. > > > >The 1st offering is a 618 gram rare quarter cut of Salla with 2 polished >faces and patches of fusion crust. This stone is strange as each of the >faces displays a completely different matrix. Salla was found in 1963. >L6-Low TKW of 5.833 Kg. This piece comes from a Helsinki University trade >with what I believe to be a university # B5100 on it. This piece can be >viewed in the new Robert Haags Collection of Meteorites book on page 103 or >his old field guide on page 45 as specimen #126. Additional photos >available on request. > > > >The 2nd offering is a 756 gram, fusion crusted, quarter cut end piece of the >rare Russian found Muslyumovo with 3 polished faces. H4-Low TKW of 10.58 >Kg-Find 1964 This piece comes from a Russian academy of Sciences trade with >their cloth tag and specimen #J55I8. This piece can be viewed in the new >Robert Haags Collection of Meteorites book on page 115 or is old field guide >on page 51 as specimen #154. Additional photos available on request. > > > >All offers or any further questions please e mail me off list.. > > > >Thank you > >Bob Cucchiara > >IMCA #1221 > >Meteoritemadness > >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad-Robert Haags collection pieces
Hey Bob, You have one Ex-Haag piece I'm interested in. Gunlockyou know...the one that "Windy Steve" would never part with. Let me know what you want for it. I'm not kidding or poking fun at anyone. I'm serious. Dave bob cucchiara wrote: I have 2 rare meteorite offerings from the collection of Bob Haag. I am pleased to offer these to the Met list first and will be taking offers on these pieces. The best offer received meeting my low reserve, which will not be disclosed, will be awarded the piece. I will take offers for 7 days ending on Sunday Feb. 20th at 6PM Pacific time. If the reserve is not met, these pieces will either be offered on e bay or cut up. Both specimens will come with an officially signed Robert Haag specimen card. The 1st offering is a 618 gram rare quarter cut of Salla with 2 polished faces and patches of fusion crust. This stone is strange as each of the faces displays a completely different matrix. Salla was found in 1963. L6-Low TKW of 5.833 Kg. This piece comes from a Helsinki University trade with what I believe to be a university # B5100 on it. This piece can be viewed in the new Robert Haags Collection of Meteorites book on page 103 or his old field guide on page 45 as specimen #126. Additional photos available on request. The 2nd offering is a 756 gram, fusion crusted, quarter cut end piece of the rare Russian found Muslyumovo with 3 polished faces. H4-Low TKW of 10.58 Kg-Find 1964 This piece comes from a Russian academy of Sciences trade with their cloth tag and specimen #J55I8. This piece can be viewed in the new Robert Haags Collection of Meteorites book on page 115 or is old field guide on page 51 as specimen #154. Additional photos available on request. All offers or any further questions please e mail me off list.. Thank you Bob Cucchiara IMCA #1221 Meteoritemadness __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] chondrules?
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:15:23 -0800 (PST), Norman Lehrman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >That said, I would reaffirm that the mental image >suggested by accretionary lapilli is intuitively very >appealing. It must've been something analogous--- > I'm no expert on chondrules, either, but I imagine the pre-melt chondrules to form and look more like snowflakes-- or like type "A" calcium-aluminum inclusions. (I'd love to have the book on chondrules, but it costs more than I'm willing to pay for it http://www.superbookdeals.com/cgi-bin/moreinfo.cgi?item=2608584&SEO_TID=822579&seoid=12 ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] chondrules?
Dear chondritists;
I thought I would chime in a moment.
Our oolites that are calcium carbonate acretions have layering and
concentric structures. After the silica replaces the calcium carbonate,
they are quite interesting, hard and worthy of thin slice work.
Dave F.
Norman Lehrman wrote:
Gerald, Tracy & list,
Sorry for the slow reply. I'm out in the field, and
probably have no business responding anyway, but your
question is an interesting one. I have worked with
lots of accretionary lapilli in volcanic settings all
over the world. Like Tracy said, I also know of no
chondrules with truly equivalent concentric structure.
However, the general idea of accretionary dust-balls
and condensates in the solar nebula is appealing.
What we would need to do to make the resulting
sphereoids match observations is recrystallization by
one means or another. Many chondrules consist of
single minerals. It might even make sense for some
of the armoring that we see to result from misfit
impurities being expelled from the growing crystal to
its exterior rim.
Understand that my comments are a gross speculation
based on terrestrial knowledge. I have virtually no
familiarity with published chondrule research, so I'm
sure there are others on the list that can offer
better answers.
That said, I would reaffirm that the mental image
suggested by accretionary lapilli is intuitively very
appealing. It must've been something analogous---
Regards,
Norm
(http://tektitesource.com)
--- Gerald Flaherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a question about
chondrules
I'm reposting this as I received only one response.
Please reply if you
have any thoughts on this question. Thanks a lot in
advance3.
ON THE ORIGIN OF CHONDRULES
Norm and List,
Please excuse my ignorance for putting forth this
question but as a
relative "newbe" to meteorite collecting, I hope
you will entitle me to
this query.
I came across the term "accretionary lapilli" also
called "volcanic
pisolites" in Dorothy Ferris Lapidus 1987 edition
of "The Facts on File
Dictionary of Geology and Geophysics.
If you bear with me I'll quote " these are
shperoidal concentrically
layered pellets composed mainly of vitric dust and
ash, usually between 2
and 10 mm in diameter. They are formed primarily
through the accretion of
ash and dust by condensed moisture in eruption
clouds. Formless nuclei of
coarse particles fall through the fine debris and
acquire shells of
progressively finer ash. These concentric shells
indicate the increasiing
temperature and decreasing humidity of the cloud
at lower levels.
My question is, does the process described above
provide any
anology("something similar but different") to the
origin of chondrules.
A solar nebula is obviously different than a
volcano but is there any
analagous sympatico to the spheroidal shape?
I've seen neither a macro nor micro view of a
cross-section of a
chondrule so I can't speak to the issue of
concentric layering.
Please excuse this question if it either "offers a
keen grasp of the
obvious" or is so "out of the ballpark",
"continent", "planet", "sun
(star) system", "gallaxy" (that's as limiting as
my current unaided memory
allows my imagination to propel itself).
Thank you for your indulgence.
Jerry Flaherty
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Re: [meteorite-list] chondrules?
Gerald, Tracy & list,
Sorry for the slow reply. I'm out in the field, and
probably have no business responding anyway, but your
question is an interesting one. I have worked with
lots of accretionary lapilli in volcanic settings all
over the world. Like Tracy said, I also know of no
chondrules with truly equivalent concentric structure.
However, the general idea of accretionary dust-balls
and condensates in the solar nebula is appealing.
What we would need to do to make the resulting
sphereoids match observations is recrystallization by
one means or another. Many chondrules consist of
single minerals. It might even make sense for some
of the armoring that we see to result from misfit
impurities being expelled from the growing crystal to
its exterior rim.
Understand that my comments are a gross speculation
based on terrestrial knowledge. I have virtually no
familiarity with published chondrule research, so I'm
sure there are others on the list that can offer
better answers.
That said, I would reaffirm that the mental image
suggested by accretionary lapilli is intuitively very
appealing. It must've been something analogous---
Regards,
Norm
(http://tektitesource.com)
--- Gerald Flaherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a question about
> chondrules
> I'm reposting this as I received only one response.
> Please reply if you
> have any thoughts on this question. Thanks a lot in
> advance3.
>
> > ON THE ORIGIN OF CHONDRULES
> > Norm and List,
> > Please excuse my ignorance for putting forth this
> question but as a
> > relative "newbe" to meteorite collecting, I hope
> you will entitle me to
> > this query.
> > I came across the term "accretionary lapilli" also
> called "volcanic
> > pisolites" in Dorothy Ferris Lapidus 1987 edition
> of "The Facts on File
> > Dictionary of Geology and Geophysics.
> > If you bear with me I'll quote " these are
> shperoidal concentrically
> > layered pellets composed mainly of vitric dust and
> ash, usually between 2
> > and 10 mm in diameter. They are formed primarily
> through the accretion of
> > ash and dust by condensed moisture in eruption
> clouds. Formless nuclei of
> > coarse particles fall through the fine debris and
> acquire shells of
> > progressively finer ash. These concentric shells
> indicate the increasiing
> > temperature and decreasing humidity of the cloud
> at lower levels.
> > My question is, does the process described above
> provide any
> > anology("something similar but different") to the
> origin of chondrules.
> > A solar nebula is obviously different than a
> volcano but is there any
> > analagous sympatico to the spheroidal shape?
> > I've seen neither a macro nor micro view of a
> cross-section of a
> > chondrule so I can't speak to the issue of
> concentric layering.
> > Please excuse this question if it either "offers a
> keen grasp of the
> > obvious" or is so "out of the ballpark",
> "continent", "planet", "sun
> > (star) system", "gallaxy" (that's as limiting as
> my current unaided memory
> > allows my imagination to propel itself).
> > Thank you for your indulgence.
> > Jerry Flaherty
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Re: [meteorite-list] chondrules?
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:53:30 -0500, "Gerald Flaherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I've seen neither a macro nor micro view of a cross-section of a >> chondrule so I can't speak to the issue of concentric layering. Follow this link: http://images.google.com/images?q=chondrule%20thin%20sections&num=100&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wi __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] still need gibeon (or other similar priced iron) slices
send pix/ prices if you got 'em. looking for blanks. 2 days on this knife gibeon on ebay and will make a great addition to your meteorite room. it is much lower in price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6511264045&rd=1 i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nakhla Dog ???Check this out !
Check this out . its a bit strange. My Martian meteorite that actually looks like a dogs head. Click on the link and then enlarge the photo. Looks like the profile of a dogs head: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=6512299604&rd=1 Bob E __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mikes SA.... WOW!!!!!
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Re: [meteorite-list] chondrules?
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a question about chondrules
I'm reposting this as I received only one response. Please reply if you
have any thoughts on this question. Thanks a lot in advance3.
ON THE ORIGIN OF CHONDRULES
Norm and List,
Please excuse my ignorance for putting forth this question but as a
relative "newbe" to meteorite collecting, I hope you will entitle me to
this query.
I came across the term "accretionary lapilli" also called "volcanic
pisolites" in Dorothy Ferris Lapidus 1987 edition of "The Facts on File
Dictionary of Geology and Geophysics.
If you bear with me I'll quote " these are shperoidal concentrically
layered pellets composed mainly of vitric dust and ash, usually between 2
and 10 mm in diameter. They are formed primarily through the accretion of
ash and dust by condensed moisture in eruption clouds. Formless nuclei of
coarse particles fall through the fine debris and acquire shells of
progressively finer ash. These concentric shells indicate the increasiing
temperature and decreasing humidity of the cloud at lower levels.
My question is, does the process described above provide any
anology("something similar but different") to the origin of chondrules.
A solar nebula is obviously different than a volcano but is there any
analagous sympatico to the spheroidal shape?
I've seen neither a macro nor micro view of a cross-section of a
chondrule so I can't speak to the issue of concentric layering.
Please excuse this question if it either "offers a keen grasp of the
obvious" or is so "out of the ballpark", "continent", "planet", "sun
(star) system", "gallaxy" (that's as limiting as my current unaided memory
allows my imagination to propel itself).
Thank you for your indulgence.
Jerry Flaherty
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Arizona Meteorite!
I can't say this with any definiteness, but I don't believe any "new" (i.e.,
unweathered) chondrules show signs of concentric layering, only ones that
have been exposed to Earth's atmosphere and have suffered degradation from
moisture. I can't point to any example I have seen that shows anything like
growth rings that have definitely formed outside Earth conditions; they all
imply forming at once, rather than in successive buildups. This completely
ignores the question of armored chondrules, however.
Tracy Latimer
ON THE ORIGIN OF CHONDRULES
Norm and List,
Please excuse my ignorance for putting forth this question but as a
relative "newbe" to meteorite collecting, I hope you will entitle me to
this query.
I came across the term "accretionary lapilli" also called "volcanic
pisolites" in Dorothy Ferris Lapidus 1987 edition of "The Facts on File
Dictionary of Geology and Geophysics.
If you bear with me I'll quote " these are shperoidal concentrically
layered pellets composed mainly of vitric dust and ash, usually between 2
and 10 mm in diameter. They are formed primarily through the accretion of
ash and dust by condensed moisture in eruption clouds. Formless nuclei of
coarse particles fall through the fine debris and acquire shells of
progressively finer ash. These concentric shells indicate the increasiing
temperature and decreasing humidity of the cloud at lower levels.
My question is, does the process described above provide any
anology("something similar but different") to the origin of chondrules.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lost packages and other selling thoughts
Dear List, John, Rob; I sell on ebay as you all know. I require insurance and delivery confirmation on all of my auctions. In the past, I have had three jokers try to get something for nothing and that is why the required delivery confirmation, and the postal system has lost and destroyed a half dozen shipments/ heavy boxes of rocks and thus the insurance. I have found that the el-cheap-o bidders that do not want insurance and delivery confirmation can go to the cut throat sellers and that is fine. The time spent trying to make a bidder that wants something for nothing happy is never made up for anyway. Another issue is the payment method. I only take paypal these days as the money order and check only wastes time and time is money. Great buyers have paypal and great buyers do like insurance and delivery confirmation. 38% of my ebay business is from repeat customers. Repeat customers get special treatment and free stuff (and free shipping for the free stuff!). That time saved by only selling to the better level customers is applied to ferret out better quality and more interesting items for my great customers. Another tip: sell things to those that have more money than you do(of course that leaves a great deal of lee-way in my case). Best, Dave F. mjwy on ebay! 100% positive feed back and over 800 auctions completed. JKGwilliam wrote: I guess what it all boils down to is you have to decide if you're a business man whose goal is to make a profit (and develop happy customers in the process), or if you're goal is to turn over merchandise whether or not you make a profit. If you decide to be a businessman, you should take the proper steps to protect yourself financially by requiring insurance and tracking on every package you ship. If a customer elects to not pay for insurance, he can purchase his goods somewhere else or give you a statement in writing that he won't hold you liable for items lost during shipping. In the case of the latter, you will probably loose the customer anyway because any customer that looses money is an unhappy customer. There's one dealer I'm aware of that offers FREE shipping if you buy a certain $$ amount of specimens from him. He must be crazy, right? Yeah, crazy like a fox. Why are so many people willing to risk the loss to save a few bucks on insurance? Trackable shipping and insurance just make good business sense. Best, John Gwilliam At 10:35 PM 2/13/2005, Rob Wesel wrote: I run into this a fair amount as well and it is a tough decision, the cost of a customer versus the cost of the lost parcel. I believe it is not on you to refund the loss but it may be worth doing in the long run. My largest loss was $750.00 and I refunded it and still lost the customer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Books in the Mail
I recieved my copy today,#26, and just put it down breifly to see if anyone had responded to my plea for consideration of my question about chondrules??? Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Books in the Mail On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:27:56 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All orders for "The Art of Collecting Meteorites" received from individuals and dealers as of 12:00PM EST today, Monday, February 14, are winging around the world as we speak. There is still time to order a signed and numbered copy and this can be accomplished by looking at: Mine (number 72) arrived today. Great job, and great price concidering the sky-high prices of small print-run specialty books these days. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Kevin's new book..
Good Day List, I received #53 today & it is a winner!! Well done Kevin - a marvelous work indeed. Greg Redfern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Randall - KB2SMS Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 4:25 PM To: Meteorite list - Post; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Kevin's new book.. Hi all, Received Kevin's new book "The Art of collecting Meteorites" today and it's a winner! Well worth the price. Very well done. Thanks Kevin! Tom Randall __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost packages
I guess what it all boils down to is you have to decide if you're a business man whose goal is to make a profit (and develop happy customers in the process), or if you're goal is to turn over merchandise whether or not you make a profit. If you decide to be a businessman, you should take the proper steps to protect yourself financially by requiring insurance and tracking on every package you ship. If a customer elects to not pay for insurance, he can purchase his goods somewhere else or give you a statement in writing that he won't hold you liable for items lost during shipping. In the case of the latter, you will probably loose the customer anyway because any customer that looses money is an unhappy customer. There's one dealer I'm aware of that offers FREE shipping if you buy a certain $$ amount of specimens from him. He must be crazy, right? Yeah, crazy like a fox. Why are so many people willing to risk the loss to save a few bucks on insurance? Trackable shipping and insurance just make good business sense. Best, John Gwilliam At 10:35 PM 2/13/2005, Rob Wesel wrote: I run into this a fair amount as well and it is a tough decision, the cost of a customer versus the cost of the lost parcel. I believe it is not on you to refund the loss but it may be worth doing in the long run. My largest loss was $750.00 and I refunded it and still lost the customer. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: New Meteorite Books
Hi All Just wanted to let everyone know about two new meteorite books. First is a new Cambridge title "The Origin of Chondrules and Chondrites". It is by Derek Sears. I have included a summary of the book from their web site. "Drawing on research from the various scientific disciplines involved, this text summarizes the origin and history of chondrules and chondrites. Including citations to every published paper on the topic, it forms a comprehensive bibliography of the latest research. In addition, extensive illustrations provide a clear visual representation of the scientific theories. The text will be a valuable reference for graduate students and researchers in planetary science, geology and astronomy." The website has several pdf documents of portions of the book at: http://us.cambridge.org/titles/catalogue.asp?isbn=0521836034 The list price is $110 but we will sell for $95 for a limited time. Shipping should be less than $5 in the USA. I will quote exact prices to USA and overseas when I have copies of the book. That should be within two weeks. Please order by this weekend. The last book is the previously offered book "Meteorites a Chemical and Petrologic Synthesis" by Hutchison. List is $135. We will sell for $115 plus shipping. This has become one of my favorite books on meteorites. I have heard back from several others who took advantage of our earlier offer as well and the response has been great. The book is quite technical in nature but it is a great way to dig deeper into an understanding of meteorites. The first printing of the book was sold out and additional copies should be available in March. Highly recommended. Mike Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Bill Jensen IMCA 2359 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham
Darren and other's Michael is a good guy when it comes to his meteorites and delivery. He has provided a major portion of my collection with no problems ever. Something else is wrong- either the emails, the address, a shipping loss, whatever. When you do get in contact with him he will make it right with you. Please just give him a chance. He won't intentionaly do you wrong- thats a promise. Mike --- Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I bought two meteorites on Ebay from Michael > Cottingham on January 28th during his 40% off sale > he > advertized on the list. They haven't arrived yet. > I feel that more than two weeks after I paid via > Paypal either they have been lost in the mail or he > hasn't sent them. It could be a shipping > problem (somewhat like the other thread going on > here) but he has not replied to e-mail inquiries > sent on January 8th and January 10th asking if he > has mailed them yet. I think I have given him > both enough time to ship the items and enough time > to at least give me a "sent them" or "haven't > sent them" reply to my e-mails, so I'm bringing this > here. > > here are the two auctions: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6502377395 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6502361654 > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Books in the Mail
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:27:56 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >All orders for "The Art of Collecting Meteorites" received from individuals >and dealers as of 12:00PM EST today, Monday, February 14, are winging around >the world as we speak. > > >There is still time to order a signed and numbered copy and this can be >accomplished by looking at: Mine (number 72) arrived today. Great job, and great price concidering the sky-high prices of small print-run specialty books these days. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Books in the Mail
All orders for "The Art of Collecting Meteorites" received from individuals and dealers as of 12:00PM EST today, Monday, February 14, are winging around the world as we speak. There is still time to order a signed and numbered copy and this can be accomplished by looking at: _www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com_ (http://www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com) I thank those who have purchased their copy and to those who have written encouraging words. I invite thoughtful criticism sent privately to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])that would improve any future edition. I also want to thank list members for tolerating these "ads" and "updates" without complaint. This one should be the last. Happy Valentine's y un abrazzo los todos, Kevin Kichinka __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] odds and ends,2-14-2005
Good afternoon list.I see I created a bob haag firestorm.Well what do you expect?BH is one hot dude!Concerning the pictures of my new specimens.They will be up when I get my new computer this week.It would be kind of hard to down load them at the library.I have added more freebies to the mix of others I had offerd the other day.I have a 3 gram slice of NWA 2117 and a 10 gram slice of NWA 1946 to giveaway.Let me know what tickles your fancy.I also have 4 pf micro's left to whom ever wants them.I also have 5 auctions up on ebay right now.One of them is a 70.8 gram half-stone of main mass DHOFAR 839.I also have 7 campos sales still forsale also. steve arnold,chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] odds and ends,2-14-2005
Good afternoon list.I see I created a bob haag firestorm.Well what do you expect?BH is one hot dude!Concerning the pictures of my new specimens.They will be up when = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD- Another BULLET shaped chondrite on eBay
Hi Another true bullet will end in the next 8 hours on eBay Just visit my auction. Its still cheap !!! # Meteorite NWA XXX chondrite ORIENTED BULLET 53g # http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6510632266&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 5 Cent day on ebay
Attention, Looks like its 5 Cent day on ebay. You know what that means lots of goodies will be listed today. I see that Jim Strope has lots of nice ORIENTATED :-) meteorites up for sale already. Dont forget my killer oriented nosecone ending in a couple of hours ! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6511513481&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:ITBob E __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham
On 14 Feb 2005 21:45:25 UT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Like some other list members, I've got several dozen meteorites (and thin >sections) from Michael over the last few years and I got them all, complete, >well-packaged (double-packaged!), and among these were some really >extraordinary specimens at extremely down-to-earth prices in most cases. >Some minor quibbles on the one hand, but some hard-to-get meteorites >the purchase of which I will never regret on the other hand. If it had been my 20th, or 10th, or 5th purchase I might have been less concerned. But being my first purchase, 17 days later with no response to e-mails, I wasn't getting a good first impression. Since he has replied on-list, I'm now again giving him the benifit of the doubt and my apologies if it really is both the package and the e-mails being lost in the mail. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Picture Post?
Anyone NOT getting the "Picture of the Day" post? Noticed the counter hits per day are only half of what they normally are. Thanks for all your support! Best wishes, Michael Johnson SPACE ROCKS, INC. 932 Hanging Rock Road Boiling Springs, South Carolina 29316-7401 USA Tel: (864) 578-5188 SPACE ROCKS, INC. http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/spacerocksinc.html ROCKS FROM SPACE PICTURE OF THE DAY http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/Calendar.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham
--- Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ignoring my e-mails, though, > means poor customer > service and that I most likely will never buy from him again. Hi Darren, He may be out of town on an emergency. I only had one time when he was a little late, but it was worth it. I'd consider the fact that he isn't obviously around or he would have responded to the posts. He may just be away from the computer today and there might have been problems with your other emails getting through. Sometimes it's best to inquire through eBay (to make sure your emails are getting through). I wouldn't worry about getting skinned with Michael. Best, Mark Vail, AZ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham
> Hello, Hello List, I chose this *one* word from Michael because it says a lot about him: Michael isn't "wordy", "talkative", ... rather the oppposite ... would that be called "close-mouthed" in English ? Not quite sure about the word. > After selling about 7000+ meteorites through > ebay, about 99.99% make it through Like some other list members, I've got several dozen meteorites (and thin sections) from Michael over the last few years and I got them all, complete, well-packaged (double-packaged!), and among these were some really extraordinary specimens at extremely down-to-earth prices in most cases. Some minor quibbles on the one hand, but some hard-to-get meteorites the purchase of which I will never regret on the other hand. .. will continue to buy from Michael (wallet permitting ...) My two Euro-sense, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:34:22 -0700, "Michael Cottingham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hello, > >Darren, I didn't get those emails, otherwise I would of replied. Anyway, who >says every email gets through? > >I did send your package out and if it does not show up...let me know in >another week... > Thank you. All I wanted was an answer, one way or the other. If the package is lost in the mail, I'm not expecting a refund (as it wasn't insured) but I was wanting to know, one way or the other. (I even waited a few extra days before getting annoyed because I though that you might have been in Tucson). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham
Hello, Darren, I didn't get those emails, otherwise I would of replied. Anyway, who says every email gets through? I did send your package out and if it does not show up...let me know in another week... After selling about 7000+ meteorites through ebay, about 99.99% make it through Yes, I am slower these days Best Wishes Michael Cottingham - Original Message - From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:51:06 +0100, "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Thus it doesn't matter, if one has to wait sometimes a little longer, does >it? Waiting more that two weeks for a shipment from the US, to the US, when other items I bought AFTER then from other people (even other countries) have arrived (sent standard shipping, not Priority Mail)? And then not a word of reply to why there is a problem? ANY reply would have been fine with me. If he had said that he had shipped them two weeks ago, I'd assume that they were lost in the mail, and would eat the loss, as I didn't have it insured. If he said that he had been too busy and hadn't mailed it, I'd forgive him. If he said that he was having personal problems and hadn't mailed it, I'd forgive him. If he said the package was misplaced at home and he hadn't mailed it, I'd forgive him. Ignoring my e-mails, though, means poor customer service and that I most likely will never buy from him again. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Kevin's new book..
Hi all, Received Kevin's new book "The Art of collecting Meteorites" today and it's a winner! Well worth the price. Very well done. Thanks Kevin! Tom Randall __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham
I have bought from Michael several times so far and have had no problems at all. Just thought I'd throw in my 2 "sense". Regards, Tom __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rubicon 1 Rocket Wreckage....and me (Photo)
Hello me again, Another posting to both the astronaut and meteorite list groups. Slightly off topic for the meteorite group...but I am a meteorite person I guess so most should find this of some interest. Every couple weeks I get an e-mail asking for a photograph of the Rubicon 1 wreckage and so I have finally got around to getting such taken. I think I will list a few of the loose pieces on ebay sometime this week so e-mail me off list if interested. I have four or five pieces about a foot square for $80 each$100 when I put them on ebay. I can send along CD with video's on the building and lauching of the rocket. It got world wide news coveragetwice...and a special on Nightline and the Discovery channel. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colrubicon1.html More on the Rubicon 1 rocket: http://www.meteoritearticles.com/rubicon1.html Kinda weird website about Rubicon's test pilot. http://www.nighttrainfilms.net/StevieAustinProject/ Space Transport Corporation website: http://www.space-transport.com/ ClearSkies, Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansasmiddle US www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Monohans (1998) Meteorite, The Meteorite 7 Photo
Hi Mark, >I think only Walter >Branch will get two e-mails, so I ask him to ignore one. Interesing collateral. Seems appropriate for both groups. As for ignoring emails from groups, between this and the astronaut group, I have years of practice :-) -Walter - - Original Message - From: "MARK BOSTICK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:12 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Monohans (1998) Meteorite, The Meteorite 7 Photo > Hello all, > > For your amusement I have added a photograph of the "Meteorite 7" on my > website. The finds that found the small of the two Monahans (1998) > Meteorites. > > http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colmonahans.html > > The photograph only shows six of the sevenbut has been signed by all > seven. Since this is space autograph and somewhat NASA related, I am posting > this to the astronaut group I am part of as well. I think only Walter > Branch will get two e-mails, so I ask him to ignore one. (Hello Walter, > What's up doc?) > > Clear Skies, > Mark Bostick > www.emteoritearticles.com > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mohamed Sadiki
Hi Anyon have make any business with Morocco dealer named Mohamed Sadiki ? Mike, Dean, Adam/Greg ? Just wonder if I should risk any purchases or not. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Monohans (1998) Meteorite, The Meteorite 7 Photo
Hello all, For your amusement I have added a photograph of the "Meteorite 7" on my website. The finds that found the small of the two Monahans (1998) Meteorites. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colmonahans.html The photograph only shows six of the sevenbut has been signed by all seven. Since this is space autograph and somewhat NASA related, I am posting this to the astronaut group I am part of as well. I think only Walter Branch will get two e-mails, so I ask him to ignore one. (Hello Walter, What's up doc?) Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.emteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 20:51:06 +0100, "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Thus it doesn't matter, if one has to wait sometimes a little longer, does >it? Waiting more that two weeks for a shipment from the US, to the US, when other items I bought AFTER then from other people (even other countries) have arrived (sent standard shipping, not Priority Mail)? And then not a word of reply to why there is a problem? ANY reply would have been fine with me. If he had said that he had shipped them two weeks ago, I'd assume that they were lost in the mail, and would eat the loss, as I didn't have it insured. If he said that he had been too busy and hadn't mailed it, I'd forgive him. If he said that he was having personal problems and hadn't mailed it, I'd forgive him. If he said the package was misplaced at home and he hadn't mailed it, I'd forgive him. Ignoring my e-mails, though, means poor customer service and that I most likely will never buy from him again. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE: Michael Cottingham
Hi all, I .have to break a lance I want to defense Michael Cottingham's reputation. My experience so far is best. I had 135 single transactions from Michael in the past 5 years and I received each single package. I also have to say that I know him in person too and I know that he is a reliable guy. cheers, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of M come Meteorite Meteorites Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 8:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham Time ago Cottingham have lost, or never sent, a 600$ value pack of meteorites.he have sent this via ordinary pack, and no via registered letter under my requestthe pack its never arrive and I not have never received a refund. Matteo --- Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > I bought two meteorites on Ebay from Michael > Cottingham on January 28th during his 40% off sale > he > advertized on the list. They haven't arrived yet. > I feel that more than two weeks after I paid via > Paypal either they have been lost in the mail or he > hasn't sent them. It could be a shipping > problem (somewhat like the other thread going on > here) but he has not replied to e-mail inquiries > sent on January 8th and January 10th asking if he > has mailed them yet. I think I have given him > both enough time to ship the items and enough time > to at least give me a "sent them" or "haven't > sent them" reply to my e-mails, so I'm bringing this > here. > > here are the two auctions: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6502377395 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6502361654 > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham
Sometimes Dr.Cott needs a little longer than other children, but until now, I recieved everything and I have to say, extraordinnary well packed. And sometimes among his 40%-60% off sales there are some goodies, which are so low priced, that they're even good for competitive resale. Thus it doesn't matter, if one has to wait sometimes a little longer, does it? Meow! Martin - Original Message - From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 7:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham I bought two meteorites on Ebay from Michael Cottingham on January 28th during his 40% off sale he advertized on the list. They haven't arrived yet. I feel that more than two weeks after I paid via Paypal either they have been lost in the mail or he hasn't sent them. It could be a shipping problem (somewhat like the other thread going on here) but he has not replied to e-mail inquiries sent on January 8th and January 10th asking if he has mailed them yet. I think I have given him both enough time to ship the items and enough time to at least give me a "sent them" or "haven't sent them" reply to my e-mails, so I'm bringing this here. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham
Time ago Cottingham have lost, or never sent, a 600$ value pack of meteorites.he have sent this via ordinary pack, and no via registered letter under my requestthe pack its never arrive and I not have never received a refund. Matteo --- Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ha scritto: > I bought two meteorites on Ebay from Michael > Cottingham on January 28th during his 40% off sale > he > advertized on the list. They haven't arrived yet. > I feel that more than two weeks after I paid via > Paypal either they have been lost in the mail or he > hasn't sent them. It could be a shipping > problem (somewhat like the other thread going on > here) but he has not replied to e-mail inquiries > sent on January 8th and January 10th asking if he > has mailed them yet. I think I have given him > both enough time to ship the items and enough time > to at least give me a "sent them" or "haven't > sent them" reply to my e-mails, so I'm bringing this > here. > > here are the two auctions: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6502377395 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6502361654 > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: E' molto più divertente: Audibles, Avatar, Webcam, Giochi, Rubrica Scaricalo ora! http://it.messenger.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham
I have bought more than two dozen things from Michael over the past 18 months. Every single shipments of him has reached me, although it sometimes took much longer than other shipments I bought at the same time. Michael, to my best knowledge, is a honest person. Sometimes he seems to be unorganized or lazy - but hey, that's only human and I can live with that. Just my 2c Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 7:58 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham I bought two meteorites on Ebay from Michael Cottingham on January 28th during his 40% off sale he advertized on the list. They haven't arrived yet. I feel that more than two weeks after I paid via Paypal either they have been lost in the mail or he hasn't sent them. It could be a shipping problem (somewhat like the other thread going on here) but he has not replied to e-mail inquiries sent on January 8th and January 10th asking if he has mailed them yet. I think I have given him both enough time to ship the items and enough time to at least give me a "sent them" or "haven't sent them" reply to my e-mails, so I'm bringing this here. here are the two auctions: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6502377395 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6502361654 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Michael Cottingham
I bought two meteorites on Ebay from Michael Cottingham on January 28th during his 40% off sale he advertized on the list. They haven't arrived yet. I feel that more than two weeks after I paid via Paypal either they have been lost in the mail or he hasn't sent them. It could be a shipping problem (somewhat like the other thread going on here) but he has not replied to e-mail inquiries sent on January 8th and January 10th asking if he has mailed them yet. I think I have given him both enough time to ship the items and enough time to at least give me a "sent them" or "haven't sent them" reply to my e-mails, so I'm bringing this here. here are the two auctions: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6502377395 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6502361654 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Am I missing something?
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:32:32 -0700, "Tom Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hey List, Am I missing something? Is there something wrong here? Did they >change weight conversions in the last few months? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6511689696&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT > He probably copied and pasted from this title, and forgot to cut out the "one kilo" part. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6511689417 (BTW, notice how my URL is shorter? To get that, when you are on the page you want to share, just paste the item number in the search box, click, and you get the same page with the short URL) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Am I missing something?
Hey List, Am I missing something? Is there something wrong here? Did they change weight conversions in the last few months? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6511689696&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT No offence to the seller, I am just confused. : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier <>< IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Lost packages
you are correct, micheal. by buying, the customer agrees to hold you completely harmless for any and all losses or damage (direct or consequential)- see my ebay terms. the cusomer is soley responsible for any and all insurance. it is called the price of doing business. nothing is risk free (incuding space travel). you may want to avoid shipping to questionable areas, though so that you are not even really setting yourself up. congrats on your cool, new skyrox. i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Subject: [meteorite-list] Lost packages >Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:01:48 -0700 > >I am really getting angry. >It seems that many of the same people in Germany who are missing >packages want their money back. Not one package to any other country >lost but in one month 7 packages to Germany? >Let's get something strait now. Almost every customer in Europe >wants their packages to declare "NO VALUE" "GIFT" "For scientific >study only" etc, to avoid customs. Except there is a problem with >that. When you declare no value, then there is no possible insurance >value either. >Now that some items are lost, why do you feel that it is I who >should lose my meteorites and get no money? >I think then that is the customer's responsibility to accept the >loss. I need to get this worked out right now, because I am not >going to do that any more, I will have to start declaring full value >on every meteorite I send to Europe. We are talking well over $1000 >in material now lost to 7 different people. >I read that Germany just changed systems, what do you think happens >when an entire country changes something? CHAOS. >I am not willing to just accept the loss of my meteorite to a new >German postal system, and I have no recourse since you all request >"NO VALUE" so that you don't pay customs duty on your goods. > Anyone got any ideas? > >Michael Farmer > > >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Ad Ben Guerir
Hi All Here are some neat fragments that I picked up in Tucson of the fall near Ben Guerir, Morocco on Nov. 22, 2004. It looks like 30-40 kg were recovered but most went to the government. The fall is near a military base which quickly moved in and confiscated most of the pieces that were recovered. This is also the first meteorite classified in Morocco. It has been classified LL6. All of these pieces are fresh showing a light interior with tiny metal flecks. Please note the name is only proposed at this time. It is supposed to be submitted to Nom Com but nothing is in print yet. Some times you see the name as one word. Fragments with fusion crust $9 per gram % = approximate fusion crust amount 12.06 20% 6.77 45% 2.87 40% 2.84 20% 2.49 40% 2.02 5% $12.00 per gram 1.35 5% 1.21 20% 1.02 25% Uncrusted fragments $7.50 per gram 4.10 3.80 1.52 1.15 For photos I have uploaded them to a Yahoo album. They are listed as BG677 = Ben Guerir 6.77 grams. http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/meteorfinder/my_photos If you are interested in some larger pieces let me know sizes as I might be able to get some. Shipping is $4 US and most overseas locations $10 via Global Priority Mail. Please email for exact costs. Mike -- Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Bill Jensen IMCA 2359 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 50 NWA METEORITES FOR SALE
I have these 50 meteorites for sale http://www.meteoriteshop.com/sales/s1sale101-150.html 20% discount on anything of interest. Cheers DEAN __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost packages
Bob, It's too bad that you didn't save the stub (receipt) form the money order. I've had two different people (both list members) claim that they never received money orders from me. With the help of the numbers on the money order receipt, I was able to submit a claim and get a refund for one of them although it took 8 weeks. The other money order in question was for almost $400 and the USPS ended up sending me photocopies of the front and the back of the document where the endorsement signature of the person was in black and white. He changed his story about not receiving the money order when I sent him a copy showing where he had signed. Remember to keep the stub or receipt for money orders. John Gwilliam At 10:34 PM 2/13/2005, Bob Evans wrote: That Sucks Mike, Remember when I was accused earlier this year of never sending a $1000 payment to Stefan Ralew? I sent a money order and apparently it never got to Stefan. I have no reason to believe that Stefan received the money order. But he and Martin Altmann accused me several months later of never sending payment. I couldn't track it , the stub was long gone by then. I didn't appreciate the attack on my character. You know I always paid every cent for every meteorite I bought from you over the years. After the incident with Stefan, Im very cautious with international transactions. Germany seems to be a hotspot with problems. Its not your fault that the packages weren't delivered. Demand buyers pay registered rates in the future , or , no sale! Bob E - Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 11:01 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Lost packages I am really getting angry. It seems that many of the same people in Germany who are missing packages want their money back. Not one package to any other country lost but in one month 7 packages to Germany? Let's get something strait now. Almost every customer in Europe wants their packages to declare "NO VALUE" "GIFT" "For scientific study only" etc, to avoid customs. Except there is a problem with that. When you declare no value, then there is no possible insurance value either. Now that some items are lost, why do you feel that it is I who should lose my meteorites and get no money? I think then that is the customer's responsibility to accept the loss. I need to get this worked out right now, because I am not going to do that any more, I will have to start declaring full value on every meteorite I send to Europe. We are talking well over $1000 in material now lost to 7 different people. I read that Germany just changed systems, what do you think happens when an entire country changes something? CHAOS. I am not willing to just accept the loss of my meteorite to a new German postal system, and I have no recourse since you all request "NO VALUE" so that you don't pay customs duty on your goods. Anyone got any ideas? Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost packages
Michael, I had the same thing happen several times a few years ago and here's what I do now to avoid a problem. The customer has a choice of some options. One is that the contents of the package are declared at full value and the customs label is marked accordingly. If the package gets lost or stolen, insurance can at least replace the money involved. Or, the buyer can send me a letter (email will work too) stating that they want it declared as "scientific material for study only" or some other description that the buyer feels will keep him from having to pay duty. They must also agree in writing that they accept ALL responsibility for the safe delivery of the package. BTW, can anyone tell me where all of these packages end up if they're not delivered! John Gwilliam At 10:01 PM 2/13/2005, Michael Farmer wrote: I am really getting angry. It seems that many of the same people in Germany who are missing packages want their money back. Not one package to any other country lost but in one month 7 packages to Germany? Let's get something strait now. Almost every customer in Europe wants their packages to declare "NO VALUE" "GIFT" "For scientific study only" etc, to avoid customs. Except there is a problem with that. When you declare no value, then there is no possible insurance value either. Now that some items are lost, why do you feel that it is I who should lose my meteorites and get no money? I think then that is the customer's responsibility to accept the loss. I need to get this worked out right now, because I am not going to do that any more, I will have to start declaring full value on every meteorite I send to Europe. We are talking well over $1000 in material now lost to 7 different people. I read that Germany just changed systems, what do you think happens when an entire country changes something? CHAOS. I am not willing to just accept the loss of my meteorite to a new German postal system, and I have no recourse since you all request "NO VALUE" so that you don't pay customs duty on your goods. Anyone got any ideas? Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Information for wholesale buyers, museums/scientific institutions and serious collectors
Good morning, day, evening. To all Meteorite List members! To see the variety of Irghizites please look at the http://android.omskreg.ru/1/ This is about 1/30 of what I have. There are possibility to "compose" collections of tektites- Irghizites by: 1. Two groups which unites four types by morphological characteristics- form of Irghizite and condition if it's surface (brilliant, weathered). 2. To create collection by chemical composition of Irghizites (acid, basic), includes all morphological types and subtypes, described higher. In that case somebody has not only detail description of each sample, but raster electronic micro photos of each sample's surface, Results of petrographical analysis of each sample (photos of slices in polarized light included). In other words it will be museum/scientific institution class collection with fullest description. To bring fully understanding of what I can suggest to You/Your organization please write on my e-mail. I will ready to answer on all questions which attracts your interest. Note: We have Pay Pal system in Russia. So (how I understand) it is practically 100% guarantee that you will not loose your money. Yours sincerely. Roman Davidov. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] European lost orders
>This seller obviously tried to safe money on the wrong side The seller or the buyer? One should always clear before, who will bear the risk and the mode of shipping. Hardly a buyer, my experience, is willing to pay the extra fees for fully insured shipment. Don't we have frequently the shipping-cost-rip-off-theme playing here on the list? In fact, I'm paying in most cases the extra costs by my own, as german post is the most expensive on Earth and I simply couldn't compete with US-sellers on ebay, as especially with small specimens, the bidder would be repelles by high ship costs, but in general I would suggest: Sent with out xtra options: Buyer takes the risk Sent registered: Buyer get's back the offered refund by the carrier Sent with insurance: Seller takes the risk. (and buyer the risk to pay the customs). If I buy a valuable specimen, I'd explicitely ask the seller to sent it with insurance, if I don't know the seller or it's from a country, wherefrom often smth get lost, I'd ask to sent it registered, if it's not an expensive specimen or if I'm scrooge, I let sent it without any extra option and if it's lost, it's bad luck and I won't complain. D'accord? Martin - Original Message - From: "Jörn Koblitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Dr. Svend Buhl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:31 AM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] European lost orders Hello Svend and list, I also faced similar problems with USPS shipments last year. 2 parcels with valuable Weston specimens got lost in August and October last year. The first parcel with 20g Weston was shipped unregistered(!), the second one registered, but uninsured. At first, the US dealer who sold the pieces did not believe me that the meteorites did not arrive. After he did a search query with USPS, he realized that his parcels actually got lost on its way to Germany. The pity is, that I did prepayment by Paypal and have never received any refund from that person. Very bad! I can advice everybody: If you do a prepayment for meteorites, take care that the seller uses the safest way of shipping (best FedEx or UPS) with online tracking possibility. This seller obviously tried to safe money on the wrong side. Cheers, Jörn > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Dr. Svend Buhl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Februar 2005 16:56 > An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] European lost orders > > > Mile, Pierre and others, > > I have lost 2 shipments destined to the US in early and mid > december. The other way round two sendings from the US failed > to reach me in Germany. Particularly lamentable, because on > of the sendings icluded a 19.00g and a 1.50g fragment of the > Norton County Aubrite. (Both have been replaced by the > friendly seller in the meantime). > > In my case only small sized packages disappeared, all sent > with DHL. This in mind one comes to think about the > trustwortiness of the DHL personal, esspecially the > additional personal hired to cover the x-mas peak. > > watch out for meteorite pilferers! > > Svend > > www.niger-meteorite-recon.de > > > > > Pelé Pierre-Marie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am > 11.02.05 16:03:34: > > Well Mike and list, > > I've the same problem from the other side of the > Atlantic. > > 2 cases from overseas orders (my NWA CDROM for > example) : > - some took more than a month to reach the USA... > (sent 30 december, arrived 4 february !) > - some were lost. (4 out of 10 sent !!!) > > I think there are many thieves in the Post offices so > it's good to pay for a registered mail for high value > parcels. > > Pierre-Marie Pelé > www.meteor-center.com > > > > > > > Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de > stockage pour vos mails ! > Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/ > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > __ > Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! > Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: OT: chargebacks & Lost packages (kind of long - sorry) :-)
Hi list, a good opportunity for án important and precious hint for European sellers, who use Paypal for Ebay transactions: Never let your money on your Paypal account, withdraw it always immediately onto your bank account If a buyer claims at Paypal, that your item didn't arrive or that you didn't sent it, Paypal will charge back his payment + hefty fees from your account without any examination of that case! And also it is written in the ebay/paypal-instructions that they will accept as a proof your receipt, that you sent it registered, they won't do. Not from DHL, nor from UPS, nor Fedex, even not if you can track back, that the parcel was delivered to the very address and the buyer got his stuff. They will tell you, that they accept only methods of shipping, were at each moment the very whereabouts od the parcel can be tracked, which is possible only with special courier services (which costs about 100-200Euro to USA). Paypal is known to act completely illegal here in Europe, to me it didn't happened, but a short look in the ebay discussion forums and you'll find dozens of cases. If your account is empty, anyway they will take the chargeback from there, but that doesn't matter, as the mafia-style harassements they will attack you later with, that an encashment enterprise will visit you, are not conform with german law and they won't take the risk of litigation. Meanwhile there exist professional fraudsters in USA, who know about that Paypal behaviour and that the seller has no chance, as all proofs of delivery won't be accepted, who are ordering items in bulk, paying them first with paypal and after they recieved the goods, they claimed, that they never got it and get the chargeback of the money, so that you'll loose your goods, your money and for this you have to pay additional a fat fee. In USA Paypal is more careful, as the amendments there with class-actions lawsuits are high and there they offer a sellers' protection program, which is not available. Unfortunately paypal is the most popular mode of payment for international ebay transactions, otherwise I would strongly recommend to switch to Bidpay or other electronical money transfer services. Another occurence, to demonstrate, how Paypal is acting, and which afflicted thousands of German Paypal clients, was the illegal account blocking and frightening of the clients, that they are under investigations and suspected to be criminals: European laws commit banks and money services to check the identity of a client, before he/she opens an account, by identity card, passport or electonical signature. A lot of Germans opened a Paypal-account, when Paypal wasn't available in Europe, in USA and there wasn't any other verification necessary than the credit card. Now Paypal was going to the European market and thus subdued to the European laws. What did they do, to get the missing data of their clients? They sent emails to all of them, that they found strange transactions on their accounts and/or that soon the sum of all transactions will exceed 7500Euro, so that they are compelled by the EU-money-washing-law to check the identity of the client. For this you should fax a copy of your identity card or an attestation of your registry office, wherefrom your address is visible as well as a bill from your electric current supplier. Of course I didn't and then they blocked the account (also illegally and this they did with all, who refused). So I took a look in that mentioned EU-money-washing-law, and what did I found? The bank has to proof suspicious transactions, if it exceeds a value of 15.000Euro (not 7500 as paypal told) and only if it was made as one single payment or in form of payments from the same sender in a short period of time (practise is: 1 week - 10 days). Thus not, as Paypal wrote in their scary emails, that the sum of all transactions made from the beginning on - in my case 2 years! - exceeds that limit. And in the law also you could find, that for verification are allowed only identity card, passport or electronical signature - no matter whether they contain the home address or not. A bill of the electrical supplier or the sheet of the registration office, thus would be not valuable for that purpose. As I heard in the forums, that for most it took weeks or even months to get cleared their accounts again, I wrote to Paypal, that I will inform the banking supervision about their practises if they won't clear my account immediately - and voila in 20 minutes it was done. That's Paypal. Failed to collect the necessary data from the clients, they are threatening their own clients to press out the data, using simple lies, forgering the law to get the data quickly in scaring the clients to be suspected to have commited a crime - blocking their money, if they don't agree. So, if you're forced to use Paypal, always withdraw your funds immediately. Cheers! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing li
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost packages
You're happy enough to be able to send your meteorites insured. Here at german normal post (now DHL) meteorites are excluded from any insurance (like gems, pearls, amber) and with the general insurance on a parcel of 500Euro or xtra safe with 25.000Euro, you'll get back the shipping costs and around 10Euro per kilogram according to a post treaty from 50 years ago, thus not even sufficient to send some stinky Campos. Fedex and UPS refuse to insure meteorites here. One firm exist, where it's possible, somebody told me, I forgot the name, but the problem is, that with their shipment costs one can't compete with sellers from US and the clients would accuse you of a rip-off. - Original Message - From: "stan ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 7:04 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Lost packages > > > >Let's get something strait now. Almost every customer in Europe wants their > >packages to declare "NO VALUE" "GIFT" "For scientific study only" etc, to > >avoid customs. Except there is a problem with that. When you declare no > >value, then there is no possible insurance value either. > > > thats not true - at least for my post office. > > i usually put no customs value or a small amount - say 20$ - but ALWAYS > insure a package for what it's worth - and have not had a prob;em processing > the one claim I had - nor have I had anyone calim that customs gave them a > hard time even though the insured value is written ont he customs form - in > obvious conflict with the dclared value. > > basically the post office explained it to me that the customs declaration > can be set at value of the transaction - but the insurance amount can be for > whatever you can document your loss at should the package go missing.. > > so as a hypothetical example, if you sell your customer a several gram > howardite slice @ 20$ - a killer deal because you want them to come back > again and again - you can put 20$ ont he customs form for shipment to > germany - but you can insure it for 200$ - the price some dude in germany > recently bought the same material off of you for. > > a convinient loophole i'd say > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - February 14, 2005
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AW: [meteorite-list] European lost orders
Hello Svend and list, I also faced similar problems with USPS shipments last year. 2 parcels with valuable Weston specimens got lost in August and October last year. The first parcel with 20g Weston was shipped unregistered(!), the second one registered, but uninsured. At first, the US dealer who sold the pieces did not believe me that the meteorites did not arrive. After he did a search query with USPS, he realized that his parcels actually got lost on its way to Germany. The pity is, that I did prepayment by Paypal and have never received any refund from that person. Very bad! I can advice everybody: If you do a prepayment for meteorites, take care that the seller uses the safest way of shipping (best FedEx or UPS) with online tracking possibility. This seller obviously tried to safe money on the wrong side. Cheers, Jörn > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Dr. Svend Buhl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Februar 2005 16:56 > An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] European lost orders > > > Mile, Pierre and others, > > I have lost 2 shipments destined to the US in early and mid > december. The other way round two sendings from the US failed > to reach me in Germany. Particularly lamentable, because on > of the sendings icluded a 19.00g and a 1.50g fragment of the > Norton County Aubrite. (Both have been replaced by the > friendly seller in the meantime). > > In my case only small sized packages disappeared, all sent > with DHL. This in mind one comes to think about the > trustwortiness of the DHL personal, esspecially the > additional personal hired to cover the x-mas peak. > > watch out for meteorite pilferers! > > Svend > > www.niger-meteorite-recon.de > > > > > Pelé Pierre-Marie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am > 11.02.05 16:03:34: > > Well Mike and list, > > I've the same problem from the other side of the > Atlantic. > > 2 cases from overseas orders (my NWA CDROM for > example) : > - some took more than a month to reach the USA... > (sent 30 december, arrived 4 february !) > - some were lost. (4 out of 10 sent !!!) > > I think there are many thieves in the Post offices so > it's good to pay for a registered mail for high value > parcels. > > Pierre-Marie Pelé > www.meteor-center.com > > > > > > > Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 250 Mo d'espace de > stockage pour vos mails ! > Créez votre Yahoo! Mail sur http://fr.mail.yahoo.com/ > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > __ > Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! > Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
