[meteorite-list] FIFTY NWA METEORITES SALE

2005-03-05 Thread dean bessey
I just completed a new sale page at:
http://www.meteoriteshop.com/sales/s1sale301-350.html
20% discount on anything of interest. 
Sincerely
Dean

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[meteorite-list] re: Internet telephony: perfect for meteorite-hunting globe-trotters

2005-03-05 Thread Marco Langbroek
 As an alternative to meteorite chat (typing), is anyone else out
 there a Skype user?  I just recently learned of the program from
 Ed Majden, and it's terrific.

Yep, I can second this! Talked to both Rob (Matson) and Ed (Majden) the last
two days, intercontinental (Eurpope to North America) and it worked perfect!

- Marco

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Dutch Meteor Society (DMS)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek
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Re: [meteorite-list] re: Internet telephony: perfect formeteorite-hunting globe-trotters

2005-03-05 Thread tett
I too had a nice chat with Rob.  Also spoke with a business acquaintance in 
Taipei.  The call to Taipei was crystal clear and sounded even better than 
the phone.

Cheers,
tett
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From: Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 10:45 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] re: Internet telephony: perfect 
formeteorite-hunting globe-trotters


As an alternative to meteorite chat (typing), is anyone else out
there a Skype user?  I just recently learned of the program from
Ed Majden, and it's terrific.
Yep, I can second this! Talked to both Rob (Matson) and Ed (Majden) the 
last
two days, intercontinental (Eurpope to North America) and it worked 
perfect!

- Marco
-
Dr Marco Langbroek
Dutch Meteor Society (DMS)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek
http://www.dmsweb.org
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[meteorite-list] Semi- on topic-- portable star

2005-03-05 Thread Darren Garrison
Very cool.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7081156/


  MSNBC.com
Newfound star smaller than some planets 
Find sheds light on gray area in celestial definitions

By Robert Roy Britt
Senior science writer
Space.com
Updated: 6:01 p.m. ET March 3, 2005


Astronomers have found the tiniest full-fledged star known, an object just 16 
percent bigger than
Jupiter. It is smaller than some known planets that orbit other stars.

The star is a companion to a sunlike star toward the center of our Milky Way 
galaxy. It was found
and measured by observing changes in the light output of the system when the 
smaller star passed in
front of the larger star from our vantage point.

The discovery helps astronomers better understand a gray area of definition 
concerning stars and
planets.

Between planets and stars, there exist odd objects called brown dwarfs. They're 
often referred to as
failed stars, because they don't have enough mass to trigger the thermonuclear 
fusion that powers
real stars, like the sun. A brown dwarf is typically several times the mass of 
Jupiter, but
astronomers haven't determined the exact size or mass cutoffs on either end.

The new discovery, announced Thursday, puts a firm diameter measurement on the 
smallest star that
does in fact shine normally.

The result shows that stars less than one-tenth the mass of the sun can 
generate thermonuclear
fusion while being barely bigger than Jupiter. 

Imagine that you add 95 times its own mass to Jupiter and nevertheless end up 
with a star that is
only slightly larger, Claudio Melo of the European Southern Observatory 
suggested. The object just
shrinks to make room for the additional matter, becoming more and more dense.

The star is more than 50 times as dense as the sun. It is smaller than some 
extrasolar planets,
including one world that is 30 percent larger than Jupiter.

This result shows the existence of stars that look strikingly like planets, 
said Frederic Pont of
the Geneva Observatory in Switzerland, another member of the study team.

The diminutive star was initially discovered as part of the Optical 
Gravitational Lensing
Experiment, or OGLE survey, which identified several dozen stars toward the 
center of our galaxy
that appeared to have something moving in front of them. The diameter 
measurements were done from
the ESO's Paranal Observatory in Chile.

The star is named OGLE-TR-122b. It orbits the larger star once every 7.3 days. 
Because of its
relatively low mass, the smaller star's nuclear energy production is low 
compared with a sunlike
star, the astronomers said.

 2005 Space.com. All rights reserved. More from Space.com.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7081156/

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[meteorite-list] AD: Individuals from classic falls on eBay

2005-03-05 Thread Herbert Raab

Dear fellow collectors,

I have a toal of five nice, fully crusted individuals from the classic 
meteorites 
showers Pultusk (Poland, 1868) and Holbrook (Arizona, 1912), ranging from 
0.6g to 30g, currently on eBay. The auctions are ending in about 24 hours. 
To see the specimens, please follow this link:

  http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZhr0124

I hope you like the images, and thanks to everyone who considers bidding.

  Herbert Raab

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[meteorite-list] Hunting at Canyon Diablo

2005-03-05 Thread Norman Smith
Does anyone know if hunting for meteorites anywhere
around Meteor Crater is permitted?  With all of the
Canyon Diablos that show up on Ebay, it looks like a
pretty successful place to hunt.

Norm




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Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting at Canyon Diablo

2005-03-05 Thread David Freeman
NOPE, large fine if you are caught All that ebay stuff has been 
collected years ago, or has been illegally collected.
Successful hunting if you don't have the crater folks contact the county 
sheriff and that $250 fine isn't gleefully awarded the successful 
trespasser
Dave F. mjwy

Norman Smith wrote:
Does anyone know if hunting for meteorites anywhere
around Meteor Crater is permitted?  With all of the
Canyon Diablos that show up on Ebay, it looks like a
pretty successful place to hunt.
Norm
	
		
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[meteorite-list] (Vaguely OT) Letter of Commendation

2005-03-05 Thread Kathy Wallace
Hi List,
I am new to meteorite collecting and would like to relate the following:
I would like to commend two of the members of the meteorite list.
As you know awhile back, the list was rampant with talk of lost in the 
mail meteorites.
Although I didn't write, I had a really bad Christmastime problem of not 
receiving 2 shipments.

The first was from Michael Cottingham.  I purchased a number of 
meteorites thru his 1/2 price
sale of 12/6/04. Well, close to Christmas, I had not received the 
meteorites but thought it could
just be slow mail what with the Christmas mail rush, so I finally 
emailed Michael asking when he
had mailed my package. Michael emailed me the shipment date and that it 
was sent priority mail. 

I checked with the Post Office regarding lost/possibly stolen mail. They 
said that since there was
no delivery confirmation, certification or insurance, there was nothing 
they could do and sent
me to the local Police. The Police laughed and said they could do 
nothing, it was a Federal problem.
Back to the Post Office for more runaround.  NOTE:  Be sure to at least 
get a delivery confirmation
since this will let the Post Office track your item.  If your item is 
over a certain amount (whatever you
consider high enough) you should either insure, certify, or register 
(the safest way).

To make a long story short... I never received this package, but like 
the true gentleman he is,
Michael gave me the option of my money back or credit for the meteorites
(which he definitely did not have to do) and last week I purchased new 
meteorites
using the credit from the lost ones.  These arrived yesterday. They are 
all wonderful.

The second item was purchased at about the same time from Mark Bostick. 
After several emails, and still no book, Mark, without my asking, sent me
a replacement (again, something he did not have to do).
It arrived within a few days.  Great book.

My sincere thanks and know that I will continue to buy from you, 
Michael, and you, Mark.

Kathy Wallace
P.S.
Since I am giving praise, I want to express my thanks to Rob Elliot of 
Fernlea Meteorites, who
(at his own expense) sent me my order by Federal Express so it would 
arrive by Christmas and 
Impactika - Anne Black who was so very helpful with  TX meteorites for 
my husband's Christmas present. 

THANKS to all of you.


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Re: [meteorite-list] (Vaguely OT) Letter of Commendation

2005-03-05 Thread David Freeman
Dear Kathy, All;
Through out over 900 auctions in the past year and a half, and nearly 
90% mailed USPS, I will tell you that as a buyer, if you do not require 
your seller to offer  insurance and delivery confirmation, YOU are 
asking for trouble.
If you are a seller and do not require your buyers to buy insurance, YOU 
are asking for troubles too.
I can not see why anyone would transact good money and then pay good 
money to ship, and not get all the insurance and delivery confirmation 
that they can get.  One would not purchase an automobile and not carry 
insurance on it to provide for a loss or damage.
I see those that are shall we say tight with their money but insurance 
and delivery confirmation are not the place to skimp or cut corners.  I 
have also found that there is a percentage of dishonest individuals that 
seem to relish the lost article thing, or have no control over their 
deliveries so, they scream my item didn't arrive and low and behold, 
the delivery confirmation number provides the exact time and date of 
delivery to the whiner.  The delivery confirmation costs 45 or 55 cents, 
if the buyer cannot afford that then I just do not sell to them.  Same 
with insurance, if one wants something bad enough to pay good hard 
earned money for the item, then it is worth the $1.30 or $2.20 or $3.20 
to insure against loss.  If you have a meteorite that is worth more than 
$100, I recommend that it be sent REGISTERED MAIL so there is a 
signature track each time a postal employee passes it along, and it also 
is under lock and key the entire journey.
Those that are too cheap to protect themselves deserve to get ripped off 
in my not so humble opinion.
Sorry  for the soap boxjust the facts jack. One in fifty of my 
transactions requires that I go look up a tracking number when someting 
is late, or lost, or distroyed by the postal system.
Dave F.
mjwy
From a sunny, calm, 43 degrees in SW Wy.

Kathy Wallace wrote:
Hi List,
I am new to meteorite collecting and would like to relate the following:
I would like to commend two of the members of the meteorite list.
As you know awhile back, the list was rampant with talk of lost in 
the mail meteorites.
Although I didn't write, I had a really bad Christmastime problem of 
not receiving 2 shipments.

The first was from Michael Cottingham.  I purchased a number of 
meteorites thru his 1/2 price
sale of 12/6/04. Well, close to Christmas, I had not received the 
meteorites but thought it could
just be slow mail what with the Christmas mail rush, so I finally 
emailed Michael asking when he
had mailed my package. Michael emailed me the shipment date and that 
it was sent priority mail.
I checked with the Post Office regarding lost/possibly stolen mail. 
They said that since there was
no delivery confirmation, certification or insurance, there was 
nothing they could do and sent
me to the local Police. The Police laughed and said they could do 
nothing, it was a Federal problem.
Back to the Post Office for more runaround.  NOTE:  Be sure to at 
least get a delivery confirmation
since this will let the Post Office track your item.  If your item is 
over a certain amount (whatever you
consider high enough) you should either insure, certify, or register 
(the safest way).

To make a long story short... I never received this package, but like 
the true gentleman he is,
Michael gave me the option of my money back or credit for the meteorites
(which he definitely did not have to do) and last week I purchased new 
meteorites
using the credit from the lost ones.  These arrived yesterday. They 
are all wonderful.

The second item was purchased at about the same time from Mark 
Bostick. After several emails, and still no book, Mark, without my 
asking, sent me
a replacement (again, something he did not have to do).
It arrived within a few days.  Great book.

My sincere thanks and know that I will continue to buy from you, 
Michael, and you, Mark.

Kathy Wallace
P.S.
Since I am giving praise, I want to express my thanks to Rob Elliot of 
Fernlea Meteorites, who
(at his own expense) sent me my order by Federal Express so it would 
arrive by Christmas and Impactika - Anne Black who was so very helpful 
with  TX meteorites for my husband's Christmas present.
THANKS to all of you.



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Re: [meteorite-list] (Vaguely OT) Letter of Commendation

2005-03-05 Thread Tom Knudson
I agree Dave, but what if, as a seller, I offer insurance and state in my
auctions that if you are do not get insurance, I am not responsible, does
that cover me? As far as delivery confirmation, I just about always get it,
sometimes at my own expense, just to cover myself (as a seller).  I also
like to ship Priority mail, I think the PO takes a little more care of them.
  As a buyer, I use my judgment, who the seller is, how much I paid for the
item and such. It is to easy for a seller to not send it and say it must
have got lost, to bad you did not insure it.
  Also, I don't much care for delivery confirmation, I once received a
package with delivery confirmation, not in my mail box, but from my the girl
next door, sure they confirmed that it was delivered, but to who is a
different story all together!

Thanks, Tom
peregrineflier 
IMCA 6168
http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm
http://fstop.proboards24.com/
- Original Message -
From: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Kathy Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: met list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (Vaguely OT) Letter of Commendation


 Dear Kathy, All;
 Through out over 900 auctions in the past year and a half, and nearly
 90% mailed USPS, I will tell you that as a buyer, if you do not require
 your seller to offer  insurance and delivery confirmation, YOU are
 asking for trouble.
 If you are a seller and do not require your buyers to buy insurance, YOU
 are asking for troubles too.
 I can not see why anyone would transact good money and then pay good
 money to ship, and not get all the insurance and delivery confirmation
 that they can get.  One would not purchase an automobile and not carry
 insurance on it to provide for a loss or damage.
 I see those that are shall we say tight with their money but insurance
 and delivery confirmation are not the place to skimp or cut corners.  I
 have also found that there is a percentage of dishonest individuals that
 seem to relish the lost article thing, or have no control over their
 deliveries so, they scream my item didn't arrive and low and behold,
 the delivery confirmation number provides the exact time and date of
 delivery to the whiner.  The delivery confirmation costs 45 or 55 cents,
 if the buyer cannot afford that then I just do not sell to them.  Same
 with insurance, if one wants something bad enough to pay good hard
 earned money for the item, then it is worth the $1.30 or $2.20 or $3.20
 to insure against loss.  If you have a meteorite that is worth more than
 $100, I recommend that it be sent REGISTERED MAIL so there is a
 signature track each time a postal employee passes it along, and it also
 is under lock and key the entire journey.
 Those that are too cheap to protect themselves deserve to get ripped off
 in my not so humble opinion.
 Sorry  for the soap boxjust the facts jack. One in fifty of my
 transactions requires that I go look up a tracking number when someting
 is late, or lost, or distroyed by the postal system.
 Dave F.
 mjwy
  From a sunny, calm, 43 degrees in SW Wy.

 Kathy Wallace wrote:

  Hi List,
 
  I am new to meteorite collecting and would like to relate the following:
 
  I would like to commend two of the members of the meteorite list.
 
  As you know awhile back, the list was rampant with talk of lost in
  the mail meteorites.
  Although I didn't write, I had a really bad Christmastime problem of
  not receiving 2 shipments.
 
  The first was from Michael Cottingham.  I purchased a number of
  meteorites thru his 1/2 price
  sale of 12/6/04. Well, close to Christmas, I had not received the
  meteorites but thought it could
  just be slow mail what with the Christmas mail rush, so I finally
  emailed Michael asking when he
  had mailed my package. Michael emailed me the shipment date and that
  it was sent priority mail.
  I checked with the Post Office regarding lost/possibly stolen mail.
  They said that since there was
  no delivery confirmation, certification or insurance, there was
  nothing they could do and sent
  me to the local Police. The Police laughed and said they could do
  nothing, it was a Federal problem.
  Back to the Post Office for more runaround.  NOTE:  Be sure to at
  least get a delivery confirmation
  since this will let the Post Office track your item.  If your item is
  over a certain amount (whatever you
  consider high enough) you should either insure, certify, or register
  (the safest way).
 
  To make a long story short... I never received this package, but like
  the true gentleman he is,
  Michael gave me the option of my money back or credit for the meteorites
  (which he definitely did not have to do) and last week I purchased new
  meteorites
  using the credit from the lost ones.  These arrived yesterday. They
  are all wonderful.
 
  The second item was purchased at about the same time from Mark
  Bostick. After several emails, 

Re: [meteorite-list] (Vaguely OT) Letter of Commendation

2005-03-05 Thread Darren Garrison
On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 15:03:07 -0600, Kathy Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

meteorites thru his 1/2 price
sale of 12/6/04. Well, close to Christmas, I had not received the 
meteorites but thought it could
just be slow mail what with the Christmas mail rush, so I finally 
emailed Michael asking when he
had mailed my package. Michael emailed me the shipment date and that it 
was sent priority mail. 

Mine from January 28th still hasn't arrived, and of course I have given up hope 
that it ever will.
So far it is the only Ebay shipment that I have had disappear like this (a list 
including shipments
from various other continents).
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[meteorite-list] Another meteorite cutting question

2005-03-05 Thread Darren Garrison
Would something like this be appropiate?  I'm looking for something that 
doesn't take up much space,
as, not having a garage or basement, I would have to keep it in my house.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=7303743420
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[meteorite-list] NPA 02-28-1893 Mt. Joy Meteorite Analyzed

2005-03-05 Thread MARK BOSTICK
Paper: Gettysburg Compiler
City: Gettysburg, Pennsylvania
Date: Tuesday, February 28, 1893
Page: 4 (of 4)
A METEOR ANALYZED
It Is Found to Be Composed of Six Distinct Minerals
An analysis has just been made of one of the three largest meteorites 
that have hit the United States.  This analysis will prove of interest in 
the view of the recent comet and meteor scare.  It is fair to assume that 
the majority of the meteors in the so-called November meteoric orbit are 
composed of the same material of which this one consists.  In fact a 
singular sameness in make-up has been found to exist in all the meteors 
which have been analyzed.  The formula is as follows:

Iron. 93.80
Nickel.   4.81
Cobalt..51
Copper... .005
Lead....10
Sulphur....01
 Total. 99.325
Only a portion of the crust was used in the analysis, which accounts 
for the discrepancy in the total.  The meteorite was found in November, 
1887, by one Jacob Snyder, about a foot below the ground, while digging to 
plant an apple tree near his home, five miles to the southeast of 
Gettysburg.  Mr. Snyder and his neighbors jumped to the conclusion that 
there was an iron mine on the farm and his property rose tremendously in 
value.  Had he been any kind of scientist he could easily have determined 
the nature of his find and then have exploited the value of his mine, sold 
his property for a big sum and cleared out pending the mining arrangements.  
As it was, the true character of the meteorite was not discovered until 
1891.
Its three largest dimensions are 11.24 and 32 ½ inches and it weighs 
847 pounds.  An effort was made to buy it by the National museum, but as Mr. 
Snyder placed the price very high it was eventually bought by Mr. Edwin E. 
Howell, of New York, who has a leaning towards meteorites.

(end)
Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
Wichita, Kansas
http://www.meteoritearticles.com
http://www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com
http://www.imca.cc
http://stores.ebay.com/meteoritearticles
PDF copy of this article, and most I post (and about 1/2 of those on my 
website), is available upon e-mail request.

The NPA in the subject line, stands for Newspaper Article. The old list 
server allowed us a search feature the current does not, so I guess this is 
more for quick reference and shortening the subject line now.

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[meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Gao-Guenie, Oriented TS Photos

2005-03-05 Thread MARK BOSTICK
Happy Birthday Gao-Guenie.   The most amazingly underpriced meteorite fall.  
Not so amazingly...from Africa. The following is a link to a Geo-Guenie thin 
section in my collectionand from Steve Arnold, IMB.  It was made from a 
center cut of an oriented meteorite and a full slice was used on the thin 
section, clearing showling the crust flow.  The nose, has very little crust, 
the back end of meteorite, the most crust.

http://www.meteoritearticles.com/znpgaots.html
Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
Wichita, Kansas
http://www.meteoritearticles.com
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http://stores.ebay.com/meteoritearticles
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[meteorite-list] Dean Bessey is trying to make me rob a bank!

2005-03-05 Thread Darren Garrison
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6516347511
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Re: [meteorite-list] (Vaguely OT) Letter of Commendation

2005-03-05 Thread Impactika
In a message dated 3/5/2005 2:03:42 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
and 
Impactika - Anne Black who was so very  helpful with  TX meteorites for 
my husband's Christmas present.  

THANKS to all of  you.
--
 
You are very welcome.
It was a lot of fun trying to keep Jerry in the dark. :-)

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
President,  I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.IMCA.cc
 
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[meteorite-list] RE: Recent Franconia Field Trip

2005-03-05 Thread WAHLPERRY
Hi List,

I thought I would share some photos of our last Franconia meteorite hunting 
trip. I decided to go to Franconia to meet Larry Sloan. John Blennert was also 
there with some of his friends and his son JJ. The first part of the day I 
spent talking to everybody and trying to figure out how to hunt with all of the 
new vegetation. This year the grass and weeds are up to a couple of feet tall. 
It makes it hard to look visually for meteorites. 
The second day Larry  I tried some new hunting tactics and tried to look for 
extended parts of the strewn field. This all failed. But John and his hunting 
partners found a few small irons and Franconia chondrites. While Larry  I were 
up in a wash exploring a new area it was raining off into the distance (at 
least 10 miles away). When we returned down the previously dry wash it began to 
fill with rainwater. We still managed to get back to camp safely. The rain can 
sure change the desert in a heartbeat. It was sure fun sitting around the 
campfire that evening hearing John's stories from his Oman trip.
The third day we decided to try another new area. We decided to meet up with 
John's friends, experienced gold prospectors.(I tried to find out where their 
secret gold hunting areas were but their lips were sealed!)We parted ways and I 
decided to go to a different area in the field. I had been to this spot before 
but now it was overgrown with weeds making it difficult to swing a detector. 
After 15 minutes I found a nice 65 gram Franconia. I decided to cross the train 
tracks to hunt the other side. After 3 hours I decided to head back to my ATV. 
About 40 feet from the train tracks I found a nice Franconia about 265 grams. I 
found it in a spot that was graded by a tractor many years ago. Maybe by 
railroad crews. This meteorite sat so close to the train tracks as you can see 
by my photo. I will have to spend more time in this area. The only problem is 
there is alot of buried metal, etc. along the tracks. I always photograph a 
meteorite in situ before I remove it. I started to take a picture and I heard a 
train coming down the tracks. I decided to wait for the train to include it in 
the picture. I was hoping the train conductor wouldn't see me and think I was 
some crazy person laying next to the tracks. As you can see the picture turned 
out really cool and the conductor never saw me.

Franconia is a great place to hunt meteorites. Because of all the rain we have 
had the vegetation and potential for snakes is greater than usual. After 
talking to all the hunters in the area we have concluded that the meteorites 
are getting harder to find but there should still be some nice ones hiding out 
there.It is always fun to meet new hunters in the field and here their stories. 
 Geoff Notkin was nice enough to give me a link so I can show the pictures to 
everyone. He always does great work on the computer.
1.265 gram as found next to train tracks. 2. JJ, Bill Southern, John Blennert, 
Larry Sloan and Chris Dunn in the field. 3. Larry Sloan by the wash. 4. 65 gram 
as found.

  http://www.notkin.net/sonny/franconia-05.htm
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RE: [meteorite-list] Dean Bessey is trying to make me rob a bank!

2005-03-05 Thread Charles Viau
Wow Dean! -- From specks to spaceships!  What a fantastic opportunity for
someone with a lot of disposable income. Makes me want to rob a bank too!

CharlyV

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[meteorite-list] Check out these chondrules!

2005-03-05 Thread Darren Garrison
This is a tiny sliver of NWA 924 (about 1 cm at the widest, less than 1 mm 
thick, too light to even
regester on my scale) that is packed with beautiful chondrules:

http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/nwa_924_chondrules.jpg
http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/nwa_924_chondrules_brighter.jpg
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