Re: [meteorite-list] extrasolar planet with ginormous rocky core
Hi, One reason for the mixed reception of the discovery is the problem of where these giant planets are found. Before any extrasolar planets were found, some theorists proposed that giant planets formed far out in a young solar system, spiralling inward until they ran out of material. In this theory, Jupiter migrates inward until it gets to 5 AU where the already depleted asteroid zone stops it. Saturn stops when it gets to the zones depleted by Jupiter ahead of it, and so forth. When extrasolar discoveries started pouring in, there were mostly big planets, in very close. This was seen as a vindication of the spiral-in theory. These were systems where there was so much material that the giant planets spiralled all the way to the star before they ran out of planet building juice. But, a giant rocky core suggests it formed in place. No spiralling? Of course, with the method used, big planets close in are the only detectable planets (at first) because they have the strongest signals to be detected. It's another observer effect. The only planets discovered are oddballs because they're the only detectable ones. This is why everyone says these detections mean there must be huge numbers of normal planets. We assume there are far more normal ones everywhere, too. But that is true only if the oddballs are distributed randomly. If they're oddballs, they must be essentially random events. So, how are the discoveries distributed? In ramdom distribution, if you find one within 10 ly (lightyear), you should find a total of 8 out to 20 ly, a total of 27 out to 30 ly, a total of 64 out to 40 ly, a total of 125 out to 50 ly, well, you get the picture, goes up by the cube of the search radius. In the more than 100 extrasolars discovered (a goodly number and statistically workable), here is the pattern: One within 10 ly (lightyear), a total of 3 out to 20 ly, still a total of 3 (no new finds) out to 30 ly, a total of 6 out to 40 ly, a total of only 12 out to 50 ly. Then, suddenly, between 50 and 60 ly out, 12 more new worlds, doubling the previous total to 24! But between 60 and 70 ly out, only 4 more, between 70 and 80 ly out, only 2 more, then, between 80 and 90 ly out, 8 more, between 90 and 100 ly out, 9 more, between 100 and 110 ly out, 10 more, then, between 110 and 120 ly out, 12 again! After that discoveries fall off and off. In each new 10 ly increase in search: 6, 8, 6, 6, 4, 4, 0, 3, 1, 1, 3, 0, 1, 1... Graph it (pictures always better) and you see a curve with two sharp peaks: one at 55 lightyears out and a fatter one at twice that distance, 110 lightyears out. In the detection method used, distance does NOT reduce observability, so that isn't the reason. (Planets have been found all the way out to 4900 lightyears!) This is SO FAR from resembling a normal distribution as to raise the ultimate scientific question: WHAT IN THE BLUE-BLAZES HECK IS GOING ON HERE?!! Interestingly, a few years ago, every web site listing extrasolars' data (there are many) gave the distance for each and every discovery, all of them. Now, NONE of them give ANY distances for ANY stars with extrasolar planets. Hmmm. I had to look each star up individually to make a table of distances. It was work. I hate work. Why did they make me do work? Oh, great intelligences of the List! I call upon you! What explains this distribution? From the vasty deeps of your intellects, tell me! What creates oddball planet systems in spherical shells with radii that are multiples of 55 lightyears? Huh? Anybody? Sterling K. Webb -- Darren Garrison wrote: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8424348/ Strange new world unlike any other Large solid core provides clue to how giant planets might form By Robert Roy Britt Updated: 8:44 p.m. ET June 30, 2005 A strange newfound planet as massive as Saturn appears to have the largest solid core known, providing an important clue to how some giant planets might form and setting off a controversy over how it formed. The world passes in front of its host star, so even though they can't actually see the it, astronomers were able to glean important information about its size and density, and therefore infer things about its composition. Scientists who investigated the large and presumed rocky core of the planet say it supports the idea that giant planets can indeed form by gradual accumulation of a core, long the leading theory of planet formation but one that has been called into question lately. But how it grew such a massive core is beyond the ability of current theories to explain, according to one expert who does not agree that the isolated discovery proves anything. With the standard core accretion model, as it is called, dust around a newborn star gathers into clumps, which become asteroids, comets and protoplanets. Some grow large
Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says He Was Nearly Hit By Meteorite
Hi Sterling and List, Sterling cited: Park Forest, M'Bale, Holbrook, Benld, Gao and Noblesville. Lets not forget New Orleans...or the one that almost landed in my backyard- Monahans. Newspaper reports (thanks to Mark Bostick) noted that...well- here are the actual excerpts: A four-inch piece of rock, believed to be a meteorite, landed about 30 yards from a group of youngsters playing basketball on the north side of Monahans, while a second, slightly larger rock, was found by a Ward County Sheriff's Deputy at a nearby site this morning. Dang it. Missed that magic 65' circle by 25'. Another quote from the same newspaper report: One of the youths, ranging in age from 8 to 16, said the rock glowed red hot, when it first landed, according to the Monahans News. Well, putting that particular kid's wide age range aside (could have been a wild juvenile hormone fluctuation, or even the result of being in close proximity and getting a massive dose of gamma rays from the newly fallen meteorite)- one wonders whether one of our brilliant 'hick' reporters might not have excitedly asked the question, Was the rock glowing red hot when you first saw it?OBJECTION! LEADING THE WITNESS! It happens. Lest they be not forgotten. Jerry PS...Great math, Sterling. Don't understand it all, but it's good mental exercise trying to. Sterling K. Webb wrote: Ron Baalke wrote: http://www.theomahachannel.com/news/4672177/detail.html Fairbury Man Says He Was Nearly Hit By Meteorite The chances of this close of an encounter are one in 100 billion, expert said... The object landed about 65 feet from where Kinzie was. Hi, This (unnamed) expert needs a basic course in statistics. Assuming one defines this approach (65 feet) as a criteria for close, then the number of cases of a fall being within 65 feet of a human being are substantial. How many people were within 65 feet of the fall of any fragment of PARK FOREST? There were reports of much closer approaches in M'BALE. A meteorite which hits an occupied car is, of course, closer than 65 feet (and most unoccupied cars, too). Any frag that strikes an occupied house or building less than 65 feet square is a case (dozens and dozens of those). Maw, it's raining rocks! (HOLBROOK) The BENLD car smasher hit only 25 feet from the human occupants of the house. Several GAO frags hit people. Don't forget the Alabama lady in the town I can't spell and am too lazy to look up.. The NOBLESVILLE (Indiana) stone fell literally at the feet of a young boy, within inches! It's a long, long list. Forget the Nebraska glowing rock whacko. Integrating for the varying size of the human population over this time period, I get odds of about 4,000,000,000 to one per year. Lifetime odds are less than 100,000,000 to one! This assumes the individual perceives the fall, hence these odds is for observed falls only. 65 feet is far enough away that the fall of a small fragment, which is what most of them are (remember the power law), is easily missed, just like the small fragment itself, so the actual rate is much higher. A 130 foot circle has over 53,000 square feet, a big target. Assuming that those humans don't bunch up too much (they do, but they all count as one person only in this survey), from low to high fall rate estimates, I gauge 6 to 15 cases per year, observed or not. Spread out, people! Wait for the meteorites to fall in your lap (or 130 foot circle)! Sterling K. Webb --- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Looking for N'GOUREYMA iron
Hello all, Im currently looking for a representative slice or endpiece of the following iron: N'GOUREYMA Djenne, Ke Macina, Mali Ungrouped Iron - Fell 15 June 1900 any hints are appreciated, thx for your efforts in advance Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chitenay meteorite
Hello Listees, For my book Meteorites de France, I need the distribution of the Chitenay meteorite. I know MNHN Paris has about 220g but where is the 2kg remaining ? If you have some in your collection, can you tell me ? Thanks in advance, Pierre-Marie PELE ___ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: unusual meteor sighting (New Brunswick)
The following is Forward with the hopes that there were others who reported this same event: - Attached Text -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: meteorobs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 1 Today's Topics: 1. [Fwd] unusual meteor sighting (RainerArlt) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 09:08:53 +0200 From: RainerArlt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (meteorobs) [Fwd] unusual meteor sighting Forwarded with permission of Cheryl Ann Kittredge; perhaps the event was witnessed by other observers or technique. Best wishes, Rainer - Forwarded message from Cheryl Ann Kittredge [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Cheryl Ann Kittredge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:37:54 -0300 Subject: unusual meteor sighting I am writing to report an unusual sighting of what I presume was a meteor. I had this experience last week, the early morning of Thursday, June 23, at 3:38 Eastern/4:38 Atlantic Daylight Time. I was driving home from Presque Isle, Maine, U.S.A., to Woodstock, New Brunswick, Canada. I had just crossed the international border at Bridgewater, Maine/Centreville, New Brunswick. A few miles further, I had just turned right off the main road and crossed the small bridge over the Presquile River in Tracey Mills, looking, as usual for loose cattle or moose in the road, and had climbed much of the elevation on my way to join New Brunswick Highway 550. I was at the location which is shown on older maps as Long Settlement. I was driving along narrow road through hills and trees and, although I had earlier noticed the sky beginning to grow light in the east, it was still very dark where I was driving. Suddenly, directly in front of me and very low, there was a brilliant and colorful streak of light, possibly no higher than the utility poles beside the road. There was thick tree growth on my right and there must have been some obstructive tree growth on my left because I did not see the object until it was just in front of me. It was traveling from my right, the west, toward my left, east, in a trajectory which had a slight downward angle, perhaps ten degrees. The length of the streak itself might have been about ten degrees. It was a brilliant aqua blue with some slight pink coloration behind the main, leading portion. Of course, it all happened very quickly. I remember actually exclaiming aloud with surprise. The object disappeared to my left rear before I could stop the car and lower the window to observe whether I could hear anything. I looked at the clock and it was 3:38 Eastern. Then I drove a few hundred feet up the road to the first driveway I could find, backed into it and looked back to see whether there were smoke or flames visible. I could see nothing. I arrived home just after 5:00 A.M. and told my husband about my experience. On Friday, June 24, we went back and retraced my route from the border. We found the driveway I had backed into and established where I must have been when I saw the phenomenon. Then we tried to walk through the terrain next to the road in the direction the object had been traveling, thinking that we might see scorching or tree damage; however, it was old logged land, thick with undergrowth and piles of dumped brush and was very difficult walking. For the record, I would like to point out that I have several academic degrees, two in biology and I am married to an astronomy/physics major. I have a subscription to Skeptical Inquirer, am a firm believer in the work of CSICOP, and am not subject to hallucinations or accustomed to strange experiences of any kind. I would love to know whether this meteor was observed by any other person or organization. I could also locate the position of the event quite accurately, should anyone care to investigate further. Thank you for your time and attention. C. Ann Kittredge - End forwarded message - -- Would appreciate the opinion or observation of others that may have seen this same event. With best regards, Bob Verish __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says He Was Nearly Hit By Meteorite
Sterlng W. wrote: This (unnamed) expert needs a basic course in statistics. Assuming one defines this approach (65 feet) as a criteria for close, then the number of cases of a fall being within 65 feet of a human being are substantialIntegrating for the varying size of the human population over this time period, I get odds of about 4,000,000,000 to one per year. Lifetime odds are less than 100,000,000 to one!... 65 feet is far enough away that the fall of a small fragment... A 130 foot circle has over 53,000 square feet, a big target. Assuming that those humans don't bunch up too much (they do, but they all count as one person only in this survey)... Hola Sterling, List, This reminds me of two things: 1. That the amount of falls has less bearing on the probability of a human hit. The factor that determines that is simply the average size of the strewn field and the number of meteorites that have big strewn fields. 2. My favorite book, Le Petit Prince once again...when the wise author discusses how much space people perceive they occupy vs, what they really do. The updated figure is that if you put everyone in their private 1 meter X 1 meter box in a grid, the whole human population today would easily fit in a big field 80 km X 80 km (50 miles X 50 miles) - just a bit bigger than Metropolitan Paris...(the same comparison I think I recall the book gave over 50 years ago). Let me volunteer my comments: I would give the 'unnamed' expert a break and say that he has solved an easier problem than you. Remember, Sterling, you are writing-off the claimant as a wacko, so anything the claimant says doesn't count. An easier problem is: The targetted wacko is in the grandstands (called planet earth) and a homerun is hit (single meteorite stone falls into the grandstands). What is probability the wacko will be the lucky one to catch THAT PARTICULAR BALL (his mit has a reach of 65 feet)? Statistics has always been so misused precisely because people want numbers but are not interested in doing the work and understanding how they are derived and what their constraints are. We can't be guilty of that! The answer to that question of odds can be at least as great as 400 billion to one (event probability, not time-probability). Four times even greater than the quoted 'expert'... Of course, you are thinking several homeruns could be hit in that game (strewn field), and there are many games going on (many meteorites), but a fan might say It will never happen to me again in a 100 billion years..., viewing it like playing a lottery. OK, you can't run and you can't hide from meteorites...but I don't think we are dealing with a fan using that sort of scientific logic. Thus, your back of the envelope and the 'experts's' calculation is a factor of 6, 60, or even 1000 different...but we need the 'expert' to clarify which one, and if it is only 6, that's not bad. On your chosen and defined problem, I went this route: There is a recovered witnessed fall in the USA-48 very nearly annually of 1, what's the area of the region, about 7.5 million square km? That gives odds in one year of 6 billion to one, and over what's left of his lifetime you assigned 40 years that leaves 150 million to one...and you and I are in basic agreement!! No big surprise... I would go on to sensibly fudge: a factor of say, 10-100 due to forgetting about witnessed falls and concentrating on witnessed falls with sizeable strewn fields, leaving, say 15 million to one (on the conservative end). And then there is the factor of say, 2 for the falls that are never registered, leaving true odds in 40 years at 1.5 million to one, according to my interpretation - which now deviates from yours (in which we agree). If you don't agree with my fudge factor of 10, I'll dispute your area of the circle of diameter=130 (you were 4 times too large): Your odds actually would state odds of 16 billion to one in a given year according to your methodology, if you need to correct for the proper circular area. You then get a weighted average for a lifetime, but if you read the article carefully, there was no time period stated by the expert: The chances of this close of an encounter are one in 100 billion, expert said... I'd definitely agree with you to that point that we can have some fun with the sloopy journalism, but if you read the article, is the alleged targeted man-not the 'expert'= who says Only once in a 100 billion years, and it will probably never happen to me again, but this is not the 'expert' talking. And it sounds like the problem defined by the baseball game to me, not the meteoriticist... So we are all in the same ballpark, as far as I can tell, even the 'expert', until proven to be a quack in his own right...or that's how it looks to me... save any stupid errors I could have committed:) Saludos, Doug
Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says He Was Nearly Hit By Meteorite
I wrote: say 15 million to one (on the conservative end). And then there is the factor of say, 2 for the falls that are never registered, leaving true odds in 40 years at 1.5 million to one make that 7.5 million to one:) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA's Deep Impact Spacecraft Preps for July 4 Fireworks
DC Agle (818) 393-9011 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Dolores Beasley (202) 358-1753 Headquarters, Washington Lee Tune (301) 405-4679 University of Maryland, College Park, Md. NEWS RELEASE: 2005-107July 1, 2005 NASA'S DEEP IMPACT SPACECRAFT PREPS FOR JULY 4 FIREWORKS NASA's Deep Impact spacecraft continues to sail through its final checkout, as it hurtles toward comet Tempel 1. Impact with the comet is scheduled for 1:52 a.m. EDT, July 4 (10:52 p.m. PDT, July 3). The time of comet encounter is near and the major mission milestones are getting closer and closer together, said Rick Grammier, Deep Impact project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. After all the years of design, training and simulations, we are where we want to be. The flight and science teams are working the mission plan, and we are good to go for encounter. Deep Impact consists of a subcompact-car-sized flyby spacecraft and an impactor, about the size of a washing machine. The dual spacecraft carry three imaging instruments, two on the flyby and one on the impactor. Several major mission milestones occurred during the past week. The mission's third trajectory correction maneuver was successfully executed on June 23. The burn of the spacecraft's motors changed Deep Impact's speed by 13 miles per hour. Another trajectory correction for final targeting before impactor release is scheduled for 8:00 p.m. EDT July 2 (5:00 p.m. PDT). Mission planners separated the spacecraft's flight operations into six mission phases. The phases are launch, commissioning, cruise, approach, encounter and playback. The five-day encounter phase incorporates the final approach to the comet and transmission to Earth of collected data. We've completed the final pre-release checkout of the impactor. The impactor probe will have a short, 24 hour life from release to impact, but an incredibly important role, said Dave Spencer, Deep Impact mission manager at JPL. The impactor has an auto-navigation system that will make final corrections to its flight path just minutes before the scheduled collision. Scientists hope the resulting crater will expose fresh material from below the comet's surface and subsurface. That is the whole point of Deep Impact, said mission principal investigator and University of Maryland astronomer Dr. Michael A'Hearn. We want to find out what are the guts of a comet. The flyby spacecraft will use medium and high resolution imagers and an infrared spectrometer to collect and send to Earth pictures and spectra of the event. Spaceborne science platforms will also be watching Deep Impact. These include NASA's Hubble and Spitzer space telescopes, the Chandra X-ray Observatory, the Swift and Submillimeter Wave Astronomy satellites, the European Space Agency's XMM-Newton X-ray observatory and Rosetta spacecraft. Observatories on Earth will view the impact and its aftermath. The final prelude to impact begins early on July 3 EDT (July 2 PDT), when the flyby spacecraft releases the impactor into the path of the onrushing comet. The release is scheduled at 1:52 a.m. EDT, 24 hours before impact (10:52 p.m. PDT). The 820-pound impactor will collide with the comet's nucleus at a closing speed of 37,000 kilometers per hour (23,000 miles per hour). Scientists expect the impact to create a large crater. The impact will eject ice, dust and gas from the crater and reveal the pristine material beneath. The impact will have no significant effect on the comet's orbit, which poses no threat to Earth. The University of Maryland, College Park, conducts overall mission science for Deep Impact. JPL handles project management and mission operations. For information about Deep Impact on the Web, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/deepimpact For information about NASA and agency programs on the Web, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/home/index.html -end- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says...
Hi, Jerry, Whoops! I truly forgot New Orleans! Sawrrie, y'all! Actually, I left out a lot of them, as there are so many! Like I said, it's a long, long list. I regretted afterward leaving out WETHERSFIELD (Connecticut), a small town of 26,271 people (2000 census). On April 8, 1971, a small energetic stone penetrated a home, zinged around inside, and came to rest without hitting anybody. Ok, ok, this sort of thing happens, even in Wethersfield. Almost worth the brief attention you get. I can imagine calling your insurance agent, You want to report -- what? ASTEROID damage?! Then, on November 8, 1982, a small energetic stone penetrated ANOTHER home in Wethersfield in the SAME neighborhood, zinged around inside, and came to rest without hitting anybody, about than half a mile away from the first home! Both stones were both L6's, of similar compositions (different exposure ages). Maybe they're moving into the neighborhood. Wonder what that will do to property values? Historically, there are a great number of accounts, many of hits directly on human beings, besides the poor Alabama lady, who only got a really colorful and painful bruise. A Swedish man was struck by a meteorite in the arm. The arm was so damaged that it had to be amputated! The (preserved) arm, by the way, is buried with him, but nobody knows what became of the stone. I imagine even the most unemotional Swede would have been pretty mad at that stone. Smash! Smash! Smash! With your good arm, of course... While most incidents are of a meteorite strike to a single person, there are accounts of multiple human hits. In 1949, a shower in a remote Mexican village wounded 28 people, one of whom later died. (And we on the List make a big fuss over one lousy dog...) The most intriguing case is a very old and somewhat fragmentary Chinese Annual entry of a rain of stones in a Chinese city (we got population density here) that left 10,000 dead! Probably an exaggeration; I bet it was only 800 or 1200 people... A thousand people snuffed?! Somebody mentioned War of the Worlds? Already started, been going on a long while. All of these incidents are only the LITTLE bullets. There's larger calibre stuff readily available. Chance is luck, and luck is blind, blind in both directions, good and bad. It is only we who define good and bad. What if Sikhote-Alin had hit not in the hills a few miles from town, but IN the town of Sikhote-Alin? What if Tunguska had been a tiny bit tardy and arrived at the same latitude on Earth six hours or so later, namely, over Victorian LONDON, then the largest city on Earth? A Tunguska size airburst about an hour earlier than a hypothetical London one would be over Belgium (also the same latitude). It would obliterate a entire NATION, with 90%+ dead. The casualties in either case would be pretty much the same, about 10 or 12 million people dead. that's almost as bad as what we have already done to each other... Sterling K. Webb - Jerry A. Wallace wrote: Hi Sterling and List, Sterling cited: Park Forest, M'Bale, Holbrook, Benld, Gao and Noblesville. Lets not forget New Orleans...or the one that almost landed in my backyard- Monahans. Newspaper reports (thanks to Mark Bostick) noted that...well- here are the actual excerpts: A four-inch piece of rock, believed to be a meteorite, landed about 30 yards from a group of youngsters playing basketball on the north side of Monahans, while a second, slightly larger rock, was found by a Ward County Sheriff's Deputy at a nearby site this morning. Dang it. Missed that magic 65' circle by 25'. Another quote from the same newspaper report: One of the youths, ranging in age from 8 to 16, said the rock glowed red hot, when it first landed, according to the Monahans News. Well, putting that particular kid's wide age range aside (could have been a wild juvenile hormone fluctuation, or even the result of being in close proximity and getting a massive dose of gamma rays from the newly fallen meteorite)- one wonders whether one of our brilliant 'hick' reporters might not have excitedly asked the question, Was the rock glowing red hot when you first saw it?OBJECTION! LEADING THE WITNESS! It happens. Lest they be not forgotten. Jerry PS...Great math, Sterling. Don't understand it all, but it's good mental exercise trying to. Sterling K. Webb wrote: Ron Baalke wrote: http://www.theomahachannel.com/news/4672177/detail.html Fairbury Man Says He Was Nearly Hit By Meteorite The chances of this close of an encounter are one in 100 billion, expert said... The object landed about 65 feet from where Kinzie was. Hi, This (unnamed) expert needs a basic course in statistics. Assuming one defines this approach (65 feet) as a criteria for close, then the number of cases of a fall being
[meteorite-list] this goes out to J. W.
Hi list.It seems some people just continue to want to make me look bad even when I have done nothing wrong.I found out today,from a very good meteorite friend,and yes I do have alot,that J. W. slammed me publicly on this list because he could not get ahold of me.Well I had not even noticed until my friend told me.The reason J. W. could not get ahold of me is because I have blocked J. W.'s email address.Sometime ago he publicly slammed me about ego's,posts,and other BS,so I went and added J. W.'s email to the blocker.I am tired of being made fun of all the time when I have done nothing wrong at anytime.J. W. tried to get ahold of me privately,but no go.So than he trys to get ahold of me publicly,no go.So what does J.W do,he slams me on the list and lets everyone know how much of a worthless human being I am and who will never do business again with.FINE,WHATEVER!If he had not continued to publicly humiliate me on the list,he would have gotten thru to me.All in all, I have 17 emails blocked so I do not have to put up with anymore shit from everyone who continue to knock me everyday.Please stop this,NOW!And as far as sweetwater goes,it is on ebay,so you can bid on it J.W.I hope everyone has a great holidy,I know I am.Also thanks to the many list friends who continue to support me. steve arnold, chicago,usa! Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] this goes out to J. W.
YAAAN --- Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hi list.It seems some people just continue to want to make me look bad even when I have done nothing wrong.I found out today,from a very good meteorite friend,and yes I do have alot,that J. W. slammed me publicly on this list because he could not get ahold of me.Well I had not even noticed until my friend told me.The reason J. W. could not get ahold of me is because I have blocked J. W.'s email address.Sometime ago he publicly slammed me about ego's,posts,and other BS,so I went and added J. W.'s email to the blocker.I am tired of being made fun of all the time when I have done nothing wrong at anytime.J. W. tried to get ahold of me privately,but no go.So than he trys to get ahold of me publicly,no go.So what does J.W do,he slams me on the list and lets everyone know how much of a worthless human being I am and who will never do business again with.FINE,WHATEVER!If he had not continued to publicly humiliate me on the list,he would have gotten thru to me.All in all, I have 17 emails blocked so I do not have to put up with anymore shit from everyone who continue to knock me everyday.Please stop this,NOW!And as far as sweetwater goes,it is on ebay,so you can bid on it J.W.I hope everyone has a great holidy,I know I am.Also thanks to the many list friends who continue to support me. steve arnold, chicago,usa! Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] this goes out to J. W.
and when you go and stop your spam? --- Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Go to bed moron if you are that tired. --- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YAAAN --- Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hi list.It seems some people just continue to want to make me look bad even when I have done nothing wrong.I found out today,from a very good meteorite friend,and yes I do have alot,that J. W. slammed me publicly on this list because he could not get ahold of me.Well I had not even noticed until my friend told me.The reason J. W. could not get ahold of me is because I have blocked J. W.'s email address.Sometime ago he publicly slammed me about ego's,posts,and other BS,so I went and added J. W.'s email to the blocker.I am tired of being made fun of all the time when I have done nothing wrong at anytime.J. W. tried to get ahold of me privately,but no go.So than he trys to get ahold of me publicly,no go.So what does J.W do,he slams me on the list and lets everyone know how much of a worthless human being I am and who will never do business again with.FINE,WHATEVER!If he had not continued to publicly humiliate me on the list,he would have gotten thru to me.All in all, I have 17 emails blocked so I do not have to put up with anymore shit from everyone who continue to knock me everyday.Please stop this,NOW!And as far as sweetwater goes,it is on ebay,so you can bid on it J.W.I hope everyone has a great holidy,I know I am.Also thanks to the many list friends who continue to support me. steve arnold, chicago,usa! Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger: chiamate gratuite in tutto il mondo http://it.beta.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says...
Sterling wrote: While most incidents are of a meteorite strike to a single person, there are accounts of multiple human hits. In 1949, a shower in a remote Mexican village wounded 28 people, one of whom later died. (And we on the List make a big fuss over one lousy dog...) Sterling, You can confidently remove this event from your database of meteorite hits. That never happened, send it to the wacko file - the disinformation is being propagated by popular researchers who can't read Spanish, didn't check sources and wanted to write shocking books that sell - and now has come back to haunt even the Mexican Roswell contingent, too. Your references didn't do their homework or just wanted badly enough to believe it. Sorry, that dog still burns brightly as ever...even if she never did...Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says...
Hi Sterling, accounts of multiple human hits. In 1949, a shower in a remote Mexican village I predict the soon we will hear from Mexico Doug on that one! Readers Digest version: Didn't happen. -Walter - - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MeteoriteCentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says... Hi, Jerry, Whoops! I truly forgot New Orleans! Sawrrie, y'all! Actually, I left out a lot of them, as there are so many! Like I said, it's a long, long list. I regretted afterward leaving out WETHERSFIELD (Connecticut), a small town of 26,271 people (2000 census). On April 8, 1971, a small energetic stone penetrated a home, zinged around inside, and came to rest without hitting anybody. Ok, ok, this sort of thing happens, even in Wethersfield. Almost worth the brief attention you get. I can imagine calling your insurance agent, You want to report -- what? ASTEROID damage?! Then, on November 8, 1982, a small energetic stone penetrated ANOTHER home in Wethersfield in the SAME neighborhood, zinged around inside, and came to rest without hitting anybody, about than half a mile away from the first home! Both stones were both L6's, of similar compositions (different exposure ages). Maybe they're moving into the neighborhood. Wonder what that will do to property values? Historically, there are a great number of accounts, many of hits directly on human beings, besides the poor Alabama lady, who only got a really colorful and painful bruise. A Swedish man was struck by a meteorite in the arm. The arm was so damaged that it had to be amputated! The (preserved) arm, by the way, is buried with him, but nobody knows what became of the stone. I imagine even the most unemotional Swede would have been pretty mad at that stone. Smash! Smash! Smash! With your good arm, of course... While most incidents are of a meteorite strike to a single person, there are accounts of multiple human hits. In 1949, a shower in a remote Mexican village wounded 28 people, one of whom later died. (And we on the List make a big fuss over one lousy dog...) The most intriguing case is a very old and somewhat fragmentary Chinese Annual entry of a rain of stones in a Chinese city (we got population density here) that left 10,000 dead! Probably an exaggeration; I bet it was only 800 or 1200 people... A thousand people snuffed?! Somebody mentioned War of the Worlds? Already started, been going on a long while. All of these incidents are only the LITTLE bullets. There's larger calibre stuff readily available. Chance is luck, and luck is blind, blind in both directions, good and bad. It is only we who define good and bad. What if Sikhote-Alin had hit not in the hills a few miles from town, but IN the town of Sikhote-Alin? What if Tunguska had been a tiny bit tardy and arrived at the same latitude on Earth six hours or so later, namely, over Victorian LONDON, then the largest city on Earth? A Tunguska size airburst about an hour earlier than a hypothetical London one would be over Belgium (also the same latitude). It would obliterate a entire NATION, with 90%+ dead. The casualties in either case would be pretty much the same, about 10 or 12 million people dead. that's almost as bad as what we have already done to each other... Sterling K. Webb - Jerry A. Wallace wrote: Hi Sterling and List, Sterling cited: Park Forest, M'Bale, Holbrook, Benld, Gao and Noblesville. Lets not forget New Orleans...or the one that almost landed in my backyard- Monahans. Newspaper reports (thanks to Mark Bostick) noted that...well- here are the actual excerpts: A four-inch piece of rock, believed to be a meteorite, landed about 30 yards from a group of youngsters playing basketball on the north side of Monahans, while a second, slightly larger rock, was found by a Ward County Sheriff's Deputy at a nearby site this morning. Dang it. Missed that magic 65' circle by 25'. Another quote from the same newspaper report: One of the youths, ranging in age from 8 to 16, said the rock glowed red hot, when it first landed, according to the Monahans News. Well, putting that particular kid's wide age range aside (could have been a wild juvenile hormone fluctuation, or even the result of being in close proximity and getting a massive dose of gamma rays from the newly fallen meteorite)- one wonders whether one of our brilliant 'hick' reporters might not have excitedly asked the question, Was the rock glowing red hot when you first saw it?OBJECTION! LEADING THE WITNESS! It happens. Lest they be not forgotten. Jerry
Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says...
Well, this proves I read posts in sequential order. -Walter - - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says... Sterling wrote: While most incidents are of a meteorite strike to a single person, there are accounts of multiple human hits. In 1949, a shower in a remote Mexican village wounded 28 people, one of whom later died. (And we on the List make a big fuss over one lousy dog...) Sterling, You can confidently remove this event from your database of meteorite hits. That never happened, send it to the wacko file - the disinformation is being propagated by popular researchers who can't read Spanish, didn't check sources and wanted to write shocking books that sell - and now has come back to haunt even the Mexican Roswell contingent, too. Your references didn't do their homework or just wanted badly enough to believe it. Sorry, that dog still burns brightly as ever...even if she never did...Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says...
Walter B. wrote: Well, this proves I read in sequential order. -Walter In 1949, a shower in a remote Mexican village wounded 28 people Right, Walter, the year of the storm was actually 1946, so like an anthropologist's study of language differentiation we can see where this story has morphed...and btw, what wasn't mentioned were the a couple hundred of animals: cows, goats, pigs, chickens, dogs, etc, that were drowned, crushed, or had to be put down, as well... Saludos, Doug Sterling wrote: While most incidents are of a meteorite strike to a single person, there are accounts of multiple human hits. In 1949, a shower in a remote Mexican village wounded 28 people, one of whom later died. (And we on the List make a big fuss over one lousy dog...) Sterling, You can confidently remove this event from your database of meteorite hits. That never happened, send it to the wacko file - the disinformation is being propagated by popular researchers who can't read Spanish, didn't check sources and wanted to write shocking books that sell - and now has come back to haunt even the Mexican Roswell contingent, too. Your references didn't do their homework or just wanted badly enough to believe it. Sorry, that dog still burns brightly as ever...even if she never did...Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] this goes out to J. W.
From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] All in all, I have 17 emails blocked so I do not have to put up with anymore shit from everyone who continue to knock me everyday.Please stop this,NOW! I cant hold myself anymore. Its too much ... We should STOP ? What happend when WE say Please Steve stop this ? Just NOTHING happend. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: June 27 - July 1, 2005
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES June 27 - July 1, 2005 o Arsia Mons Western Flows (Released 27 June 2005) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050627a.html o Arsia Mons Lava Flows (Released 28 June 2005) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050629a.html o Broad Western Flows from Arsia Mons (Released 29 June 2005) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050629a.html o Windstreak on Lava Flow (Released 30 June 2005) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050630a.html o Eroding Lava Flows (Released 1 July 2005) http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20050701a.html All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in collaboration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says He Was Nearly Hit By Meteorite
Doug, I feel like Mike Myers in one of his old movies, who does mock prostration's while chanting we're not worthy; we're not worthy. Of course, I calculated the area by squaring the diameter of the circle instead of the radius. I'm not worthy; I'm not worthy. It was late; I'd just taken do not operate heavy machinery medication; the Nakhala dog ate my homework... But... I never include glowing rock falls as a matter of principle, so I was saying let's leave this out of the count for now. Correcting for the dumb error in area, 2 to 15 times a year becomes .5 to 4 times a year. Now we tackle clustering. I mentioned it. Spread out, people! Humanity is not evenly distributed on the planet Earth taken as a whole. It's actually fairly extreme. The people critters appear to be repelled by continentality and altitude, as one real expert termed it. That is, the majority of humans live below a certain low altitude and within a certain close distance to the shore of a sea or ocean. I'm not going to go find the original reference, but as I recall, if you use figures like below 500 meters and within 100 kilometers, you get about 70% of the human race! Yet Denver is not deserted and the middle of the Midwest is not empty, despite what folks in New York think... My personal opinion is that when one is dealing with the intersection of two unrelated sets of random data, the best course is to just go random all around. People are moving targets, you know. I tried to calculate the annual meteorite fall rate by working up from the number of meteorite hits on cars (and trucks) over time, despite the same problems, like the uneven distribution of people. Cars are distributed similarly to their owners, and though they range more widely afield, they spend most of their time in the garage with their owner nearby. I started with the MORP figure of 25,000 falls a year for the entire Earth (true rate, observed or not) and concluded that the true rate had to be 2.5 or even 3 times greater at a minimum to account for the ability of meteorites to ruin your Chevy Nova and turn it into Peekskil legend! That's 60,000 to 75,000 per year with an option on 100,000. The method was that of collisional cross sections, familiar in physics, but never applied to meteorite falls that I knew of. It was a sweet and simple methodology. At the time I knew of no one else chewing on the problem, but as soon as I posted the study on the List... It seems that Phil Bland of the (formerly named) British Museum had just concluded an exquisite study by a much more elaborate and delicate (and exhaustive) method and had determined a minimum fall rate of the range 40,000 to 60,000. And our own Rob Matson, it seemed, had been working on the problem, based on finds on those vast and treacherous playas he works so well, and arrived at 80,000, again by a radically different method. That's a remarkable concordance. There are two huge problems with us all. 1. How do you count the multiple stones that constitute a fall? If you measure at the top of the atmosphere, it's usually only one rock. But it ain't a meteorite until it touches the Earth, so does every stone in a fall count as one? Clustering again. Besides which, no one knows the fragmentation coefficient -- it's a complete unknown. That doesn't help. Even pairing data doesn't help much. 2. By definition our data only include meteorites detected by humans and made known to the rest of mankind generally. How many do we miss? I believe we miss a lot. A find is a meteorite we missed seeing fall. A fall is a meteorite we saw fall then went and picked up. The ratio of finds to falls is about 20 to one. Even for the durable iron, which waits much longer to be found, it's almost 10 to one. Jeff Grossman opined that a country like Japan, with a high population density more uniformly distributed and a very well-organized society would have a higher percentage of falls. He was right. Calculating from Japan alone produces a very low annual fall rate for the Earth, he said. He was right. The figure was LOWER than the MORP estimate. Where we differed became apparent when you looked at each individual case for the 20th century. Excluding questionable accounts where no stone was actually examined and the case of an ancient inherited stone from heaven which was actually just a rock but is still listed in the catalog (because it's always been there, an historical pseudo-meteorite). Almost every 20th century meteorite in Japan is a fall! The 20:1 find/fall ratio is almost reversed to a 15:1 fall/find ratio! A huge percentage of 20th century Japanese meteorites hit something: a building, a lamp, some new paving, a ship in the harbor, and so forth. They produced damage that must be accounted for and explained: Who has done this?! The most important thing is that it
Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says...
Everybody! Once again, I do mock prostration's while chanting I'm not worthy; I'm not worthy. I took the Mexican village story from John C. Lewis' RAIN OF IRON AND ICE, an older book (but excellent), which was probably the source that first put that Mexican village story forward, where it could be investigated and discredited... As Johnny Carson used to say and somehow make it funny, I did not know that. It's off my list. I do recall that his citation was The New York Times from the period (1946). One tends to trust The New York Times, or one did... There are commercial services that search an immense database of newspapers from many countries stretching back a couple centuries for anything you want to pay them for. In the 1970's (?), Lewis paid one such service to search 100,000's of newspaper/years for possible meteorite related key words and assembled a cluster of the top hits. The Swedish man and his poor arm was extensively researched and published in Sky And Telescope some years back. Charles Fort LIVED in the Periodical Room of the New York Public Library. Ninninger did newspaper searches, too, looking for new falls. Then, there's Mark! Sterling K. Webb --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sterling wrote: While most incidents are of a meteorite strike to a single person, there are accounts of multiple human hits. In 1949, a shower in a remote Mexican village wounded 28 people, one of whom later died. (And we on the List make a big fuss over one lousy dog...) Sterling, You can confidently remove this event from your database of meteorite hits. That never happened, send it to the wacko file - the disinformation is being propagated by popular researchers who can't read Spanish, didn't check sources and wanted to write shocking books that sell - and now has come back to haunt even the Mexican Roswell contingent, too. Your references didn't do their homework or just wanted badly enough to believe it. Sorry, that dog still burns brightly as ever...even if she never did...Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says He Was Nearly Hit By Meteorite
Here's another story about it, with a photo. Still looks not unlike a weathered condrite. http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1650932.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - July 1, 2005
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Spirit Observes 'Independence' - sol 524-531, July 1, 2005 Spirit has had an extremely successful week. On June 24, 2005 (sol 524), the rover drove 26 meters (85 feet). The following two sols, Spirit performed remote sensing. On June 27 (sol 527), Spirit completed another tricky drive and progressed 22.5 meters (74 feet). At this new site, scientists found an intriguing rock target they informally named Independence Rock. Spirit will observe this layered rock with instruments on the robotic arm over the long Fourth of July weekend. The rover team commanded a small move positioning Spirit in front of this target, and the rover has begun the science observations. The first attempt to brush Independence Rock with the rock abrasion tool was unsuccessful because contact switches didn't connect. However, the rover team picked a new target in the same general area for Spirit to brush with the rock abrasion tool and analyze with the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer and Moessbauer spectrometer over the weekend. Sol-by-sol summaries: Sol 524 (June 24, 2005): Spirit completed an extremely successful drive, advancing 26 meters (85 feet). Sol 525: On this remote sensing sol, Spirit made observations with the panoramic camera and miniature thermal emission spectrometer. Sol 526: Spirit checked for dust devils with the navigation camera, took readings with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer and observed the sunset with the panoramic camera. Sol 527: Spirit drove 22.5 meters (74 feet), evidence of successful work by rover planners. Sol 528: Spirit executed a small drive of 2.8 meters (9 feet) to position itself to have an interesting rock target, dubbed Franklin, within the work volume of the robotic arm. Sol 529: The team planned a sol of using the microscopic imager, rock abrasion tool brush, and alpha particle X-ray spectrometer in preparation for the long weekend plan. However, the rock abrasion tool's contact switches didn't trip, and software responded properly by precluded the robotic arm from doing the subsequent work with the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer. Sol 530: This plan was difficult and long because it was part of a three-sol plan in preparation for the weekend. Engineers had to re-enable the robotic arm quickly. Spirit performed a 22.5-hour Moessbauer spectrometer integration on Franklin. Sol 531 (July 1, 2005): This will be the second sol of a three-sol plan, with another long Moessbauer spectrometer integration (23 hours) on Franklin. Total odometry as of the end of sol 528 (June 28, 2005) is 4,583.38 meters (2.85 miles). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says He Was Nearly Hit By Meteorite
Here's another story about it, with a photo. Still looks not unlike a weathered condrite. http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1650932.html ?? This is ordinary piece of slag. Just looks like on this photo. I can be wrong, but. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] this goes out to J. W.
At 01:32 PM 7/1/2005, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: I am tired of being made fun of all the time when I have done nothing wrong at anytime. Gzz Steve!!! Go back in the archives and read your several apologies to the Met List, there are several of them there. You may have a short memory but most of the rest of us don't. BTW, Jerry Wallace tried several times to contact you via this list. Why didn't one of you mailboy friends deliver those messages? Inquiring minds, JKGwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Predicting the Next Bright Comet
http://www.space.com/spacewatch/050701_bright_comets.html Predicting the Next Bright Comet By Joe Rao space.com 01 July 2005 This weekend NASA's Deep Impact probe will make its much-anticipated crash http://www.space.com/deepimpact/ into the Comet Tempel 1. Impact of the probe's 800-pound copper projectile is now set to happen around 10:52 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time July 3rd (1:52 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time on the morning of July 4). The projectile should blast a crater ranging anywhere from the size of a large house to the size of a stadium into the comet's icy nucleus, while instruments aboard the main spacecraft watch from a safe distance. The collision is expected to accentuate somewhat Comet Tempel's brightness, perhaps making this usually dim and difficult-to-see object a relatively easy target for users of small telescopes and binoculars. There is even a slight chance that the comet might reach naked eye visibility. But even if this comes to pass, Comet Tempel will probably be just barely visible http://www.space.com/spacewatch/050603_deep_impact.html and even then, only from pristinely clear and dark skies. Certainly it will not come anywhere close to approaching the eye-catching spectacle that Comet Hale-Bopp provided back in 1997. Handicaping our next bright comet The interest in comets generated by Deep Impact likely will cause some to wonder if another similarly bright comet like a Hale-Bopp looms on the horizon in the foreseeable future. The answer is yes, there probably is. Unfortunately, there is no way to exactly predict in advance when another spectacularly bright comet will appear. As I write these words, there are no fewer than 16 comets that are currently under scrutiny by amateur and professional astronomers. But the average brightness of these 16 comets is just around 12th magnitude -- or roughly 250 times dimmer than the faintest star that can be seen without any optical aid. That's well out of the reach of most casual observers. But every once in a while, a newly discovered comet will appear in our sky that is so spectacular that it captures the attention of a worldwide audience. Certainly, Hale-Bopp fell into that category. When it was at its brightest, in early April of 1997, this comet was readily visible even from light-polluted cities. It was later estimated that the number of Americans who witnessed Hale-Bopp surpassed those who watched the 1997 Super Bowl! The caste of comets There are two varieties of comets. Common comets, are those that are only visible with optical aid or dimly with the unaided eye. The vast majority of the periodic comets -- whose orbits are well known and have been observed on more than one occasion -- fall into this category. These comets quietly come and go and are known only to enthusiastic amateur astronomers who make a concerted effort to hunt them down with good binoculars or telescopes against the faint background stars. They are generally unimpressive, appearing as nothing more than faint fuzz balls, even in large telescopes. Then, there are the Great Comets. If you somehow managed to miss-out on seeing Hale-Bopp eight years ago, or have only now just gotten started in the hobby of astronomy, then you've never seen a Great Comet. Such magnificent spectacles as these are set apart from all the other comets that are visible in a given year as being stupendously bright and/or fantastically structured, perhaps developing a tail that stretches a third of the way or more across the sky. Such a comet can rival the brightest stars and planets in brightness. And in very rare cases, a Great Comet might become so bright that it becomes briefly visible during the daytime either telescopically or even with the unaided eye! Right now, somewhere out there in the depths of space, a Great Comet is approaching the Sun. Unfortunately, we can have no advance knowledge of when it will appear until it is discovered on the inbound leg of its solar journey. Most of the dim periodic comets travel in small elliptical orbits and regularly return to the Sun's vicinity at intervals of generally a dozen years or less. But Great Comets swing out far beyond the orbit of Pluto and usually require many hundreds ... or even thousands of years between visits to the Sun. Anatomy of a comet It has been said that a comet is the closest thing to nothing that anything can be, and still be something. Today we know them to be composed of frozen gases that are heated as they approach the Sun and are made to glow by the Sun's light. The only solid portion of a comet is a condensed, sometimes starlike point at the center of the comet's head or coma, known as the nucleus. It has been popularly referred to as a dirty snowball, although its size would easily rival that of an iceberg. Most comet nuclei are probably no more than a few miles across. On the other hand, the nucleus of Comet Hale-Bopp was estimated to be far larger than most:
[meteorite-list] It Came From Outer Space
http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1650932.html It Came From Outer Space Channel 6 News (Omaha, Nebraska) July 1, 2005 Fairbury, Nebraska is a relatively small place compared to the universe. The odds of a meteorite just missing Brad Kinzie's noggin are unfathomable. But Mr. Kinzie was out watering his lawn early last Saturday morning when something cosmic went whizzing past him. It just came flying past my head and skipped down on the ground, he says. Landed over that way and I said, 'Wow, that's close.' The nugget from above sat glowing on Brad's lawn and Brad scrambled into the house beaming. I ran back in and told my wife in there. I said 'honey, you'll never guess what happened,' 'cause she was asleep and she says 'what? What?' I says 'a shooting star come over my head and landed out in the front grass.' She says 'really?' and I says 'Yeah and it's still out there.' Hyde Observatory Board of Supervisors Chairman Erik Hubl says this sort of thing doesn't happen very often. He says, They're rare events when they strike a car and even rarer when they strike a person. So if this fall came very close to this gentleman, he's very fortunate and possibly very lucky to have the meteorite that did that. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Giant Meteorite the Star Attraction at Museum in China
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/7/1/asia/11353005sec=asia Giant meteorite the star attraction at museum The Star (Malaysia) July 1, 2005 THIS is the world's biggest meteorite. Weighing 1,770kg, it is literally the star attraction of the Jilin City Museum in China's northeast province of Jilin. According to records, a shower of meteorites rained down at 3pm on Aug 15, 1976, over a farmland measuring 500 sq km on the outskirts of the city. Even though some 10,000 farmers were living in that area, all of them, including their animals, miraculously escaped unhurt. Nearly 170 meteorites were collected, including three biggest ones weighing 1,770kg, 126kg and 120kg. They are now on display at the museum. The meteorites were part of a 4.7 billion-year-old asteroid that split off eight million years ago and the splinters went off track. These huge rocks have been flying around in the universe for millions of years before finding a home in the Jilin City Museum. The more superstitious believed the fallen meteorites were bad omens as Chairman Mao Zedong died on Sept 6, 1976. In the same year, two of his trusted leaders - Premier Zhou Enlai and Chief of the Red Army Field Marshal Zhu De - also passed away. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says He Was Nearly Hit By Meteorite
On Fri, 01 Jul 2005 22:08:23 -0400, Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/wrong_or_rite.jpg BTW, I just noticed that I got my color-keying flipped around. Switch red for blue. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says He Was Nearly Hit By Meteorite
Could be a fair call Marcin. I have pieces of slag just like it. The other thing is that if you watch the video at the link below it does look a bit different from other angles and doesn't really appear to be of a stony nature. It does look more like slag or iron. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says He Was Nearly Hit By Meteorite Here's another story about it, with a photo. Still looks not unlike a weathered condrite. http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1650932.html ?? This is ordinary piece of slag. Just looks like on this photo. I can be wrong, but. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] this goes out to J. W. and to Steve's Special Friends
A BFO just hit me --no, not a bolide but a Blinding Flash of the Obvious ( Oblivious to some)-- tDe Nile River runs through Chicago as well as North East Africa. I know Steve isn't reading this directly( yeah? Right!), cause I am in time out by Steve --and I never made the bashem list. Steve has a novel solution to any cognitive dissonance forming on his keyboard: claim to block 17 list members yet have a special friend forward you everyone. I don't archive the contradictions in Steve's messages any more , it became a full time job. But I still read them, like the folks who just go to movies to find continuity errors.--I digress--I believe that 3-4 messages ago, Steve forgave everybody including the bashems and said he'd do business with anyone. Which way is it? You forgive them or you don't? To anyone else this is an important statement of character, perhaps in Chicago, forgiveness means something else. Speaking of things (other than list promises, follow through with payment, etc) we never see followed through: how is it we never saw a meteorite ad posted by Steve on the other meteorite sales lists? What is the link to the Steve Arnold Chicago Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] groups you said that he was setting up? Now since this following blurb doesn't merit a post of its own I'll revise and extend... Steve did make some adjustments and I think tried to finally accomodate the latest backlash of objections to pass muster from those fed up with his shenanigans. For that we should be thankful. I am. However, given the track record, Steve's latest rounds of leave me alone, I've done nothing wrong, I am not listening to you comes across as another back door attention scam--to those that have seen his patterns over and over and over, many have run out of cheeks to turn. I guess time will tell if this is really the new and improved Steve. I believe that there are a bunch of folks on the list that are not going to just step aside and play along with his games. They are willing to call his bluff and that means confronting him on the list. The reality is Steve will post to the list daily and not much we can do about that. Nor would we want to do so except that they still come across as self aggrandizing. Steve has a meteorite display in his home that I admire. I'd love for him to post more photos of his new accquisitions so the post would be more meaningful. Would the designated special friend please ask Steve to post more of his finds in his website? I sincerely would like to see examples. That for me is a part of the hobby , and would enhance the meaningfullness of his posts. Forgive me, list members who would like to see no one reply to Steve's posts--I promise I'll never do it again, until next time--On my word and honor as a SASpecial Friend Peacemaker wannabe. Elton At 01:32 PM 7/1/2005, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: I have done nothing wrong at anytime. JKGwilliam wrote: Gzz Steve!!! Go back in the archives and read your several apologies to the Met List, there are several of them there. You may have a short memory but most of the rest of us don't. BTW, Jerry Wallace tried several times to contact you via this list. Why didn't one of you mailboy friends deliver those messages? Inquiring minds, JKGwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lampiayrie
G'day, Anyone hear news on the Lampiayrie fall yet? Has the classification, TKW, etc been completed? Cheers, Jeff __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] this goes out to J. W.
Filtered out JW? Do you really have the capacity to do such a thing, Steve? Looking at your web page, I seriously doubt you have the know-how to do that . I've been quiet about you for at least 3-4 weeks now (I think), but please just keep your hate mail to yourself. OK? I'd hate to have to deal with all your list friend(s) from Klingafornia. Either sell him the piece or keep you pie-hole shut because you told all 600 of us you'd sell it to all the bashers. Who cares? I for one, would never accept any damaged piece from you even if it was a multi- Kg lunar and freeeven with free shipping! Some of us have scruples! I can't believe you think you still think we are stupid enough to believe that you are a Canadian or European Corporation with the ChicagoLTD stuff. Hopefully, you know what a CORPORATION IS?!?!?!?! You know CEO's, VP's and stockholders Give it a rest before you get into some trouble and have the IRS and Illinois State down your back!!. Just friendly advice from me to YOU! Small-Time-Dave from Holbrook!!! Arizona! Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.It seems some people just continue to want to make me look bad even when I have done nothing wrong.I found out today,from a very good meteorite friend,and yes I do have alot,that J. W. slammed me publicly on this list because he could not get ahold of me.Well I had not even noticed until my friend told me.The reason J. W. could not get ahold of me is because I have blocked J. W.'s email address.Sometime ago he publicly slammed me about ego's,posts,and other BS,so I went and added J. W.'s email to the blocker.I am tired of being made fun of all the time when I have done nothing wrong at anytime.J. W. tried to get ahold of me privately,but no go.So than he trys to get ahold of me publicly,no go.So what does J.W do,he slams me on the list and lets everyone know how much of a worthless human being I am and who will never do business again with.FINE,WHATEVER!If he had not continued to publicly humiliate me on the list,he would have gotten thru to me.All in all, I have 17 emails blocked so I do not have to put up with anymore shit from everyone who continue to knock me everyday.Please stop this,NOW!And as far as sweetwater goes,it is on ebay,so you can bid on it J.W.I hope everyone has a great holidy,I know I am.Also thanks to the many list friends who continue to support me. steve arnold, chicago,usa! Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
