[meteorite-list] Links

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Hello all,

I am reworking my links page. If you'd like a link on the page, please send 
me an email and/or small Ad or Logo with the URL and I'll add you in. This 
is a permanent link and it's free!


Likewise, if you have a link already and wish the logo to be updated or to 
be removed from the site, send a new logo or email me your request to be 
removed.


Thanks,

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[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - August 2, 2005

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http://www.spacerocksinc.com/August2.html  

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[meteorite-list] Ad: Website back up and running! New Additions

[Peanut ..]

Hello all,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Apologies

[Norm Lehrman]

Tracy,

No problems here.  I was glad to be reminded of the
fine word "pulchritudinous".  Webster says "having or
marked by physical comeliness".  Without question that
is an appropriate word for the meteorite community's
use, hence, not OT.  There should be a special
category for pulchritudinous meteorites.

But, you were right.  Doug wasn't looking at rocks. 

(Thanks Doug for the dreams.  We all wish we were
there!)

(I'm talking about the beach, and ocean, and food and
shells and butterflies and rocks---)


Garcias,
Norm
http://tektitesource.com


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> intended to be a non-public 
> message for Doug.  Sorry to all concerned.
> 
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[meteorite-list] Apologies

[tracy latimer]

I appear to have spammed the list with what I intended to be a non-public 
message for Doug.  Sorry to all concerned.


Tracy Latimer


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Re: [meteorite-list] wow what a time I am having

[tracy latimer]

Doug, I'm pretty sure the pulchritudinous young lady reading the book was 
the focus of one of your pix, NOT the shells and whatnot on the table! :)


Tracy Latimer

Hola Kind List, thanks for a few pleasant  private messages.  I don't mean 
to

turn the met-list into a vacation  showcase, but the speed of my internet
connection is too slow to handle more  than two or three image 
emailingsso I
made a quick html page.  Enjoy  the scenary for those interested and 
thanks to
all for being patient and begging  your pardon for these sorts of messages 
on

the list.  The photos are  available at:

http://www.diogenite.com/vaca2005.html

Gracias, Doug




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Re: [meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:07:54 -0700 (PDT), Ron Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Brown argues that astronomers cannot control what gets called a planet.
>"Our culture has fully embraced the idea that Pluto is a planet and
>scientists have for the most part not yet fully realized that the term
>'planet' no longer belongs to them," he says.
>
>"Everyone should ignore the distracting debates of the scientists, and
>planets in our Solar System should be defined not by some attempt at
>forcing a scientific definition on a thousands-of-years-old cultural
>term, but by simply embracing culture," says Brown. "Pluto is a planet
>because culture says it is." And, he adds, that means his new find is a
>planet too.


Because everybody knows that lay pop-culture should be the final arbiter in 
defining scientific
terms!
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Re: [meteorite-list] wow what a time I am having

[moni waiblinger-seabridge]

Ola Doug,

this are really great pictures and boy, I never imagined you were young! 
:-))

Thanks for sharing, Moni

PS. I always like to read your posts to the list!



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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wow what a time I am having
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:40:22 EDT

Hola Kind List, thanks for a few pleasant  private messages.  I don't mean 
to

turn the met-list into a vacation  showcase, but the speed of my internet
connection is too slow to handle more  than two or three image 
emailingsso I
made a quick html page.  Enjoy  the scenary for those interested and thanks 
to
all for being patient and begging  your pardon for these sorts of messages 
on

the list.  The photos are  available at:

http://www.diogenite.com/vaca2005.html

Gracias, Doug

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Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Plutonian Planets, Undiscovered Nearby Stars

[Dawn & Gerald Flaherty]

Thanks for the neat site Sterling. Jerry
"I can't wait", are we there yet?
- Original Message - 
From: "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 6:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Plutonian Planets, Undiscovered Nearby Stars


> Hi,
>
> An assortment of stuff about near(er)by stars, KBO's, and other
> topics of interest to somebody...
>
> A "zoomable" 3-D map of (known) stars within 12.5 light years. You
> can zoom it out to the entire galaxy in steps. Very neat.
> 
>
> Hipparchos data suggest:
> "a value of  11.7 +/- 1.3  stellar encounters per Myr within one pc of
> the Sun." or about one every 80,000 to 100,000 years.
>
> I poo-poohed a big KBO being an extra-solar object, but not
> everybody does. These guys say a 10% chance. A planet from another
> star?!
> Stellar encounters as the origin of
> distant solar system objects
> in highly eccentric orbits by:
> Kenyon, Scott J ; Bromley, Benjamin C.
> "Abstract: The discovery of Sedna places new constraints on the
> origin and evolution of our solar system. Here we investigate the
> possibility that a close encounter with another star produced the
> observed edge of the Kuiper belt, at roughly 50 AU, and the highly
> elliptical orbit of Sedna. We show that a passing star probably
> scattered Sedna from the Kuiper Belt into its observed orbit. The
> likelihood that a planet at 60-80 AU can be scattered into Sedna's orbit
> is roughly 50%; this estimate depends critically on the geometry of the
> flyby. Even more interesting, though, is the roughly 10% chance that
> Sedna was captured from the outer disk of the passing star. Most
> captures have very high inclination orbits; detection of these objects
> would confirm the presence of extrasolar planets in our own Solar
> System."
> Notice that they "thought" the edge of the KB was at 50 AU, Whoops!
> 2003 UB313 at 97, and 2003 EL61 at 51.
>
>
> Closest star passage in the future?
> Close Approaches of Stars
> to the Solar System, by
> P. R. Weissman, J. Garcia-Sanchez,
> R. A. Preston, D. L. Jones
> (Jet Propulsion Laboratory),
> J.-F. Lestrade Observatoire de Paris-Meudon/CNRS),
> D. W. Latham (Harvard-Smithsonian CfA)
> "Only one star, Gliese 710, is found with a predicted closest
> approach distance <100,000  AU (0.5 parsecs), although several stars
> come within about 1 parsec during a  8.5 Myr interval. The predicted
> minimum distance for Gliese 710 is 53,000 to 71,000 AU, approximately
> 1.0 to 1.4 Myr in the future. Gliese 710 is a late-type dwarf star (dM1
> or K7 V) with an estimated mass of 0.42 solar masses, and is currently
> about 19 parsecs from the Sun. The star may be a binary."
>
>
> Planets at all?
> Are stars with planets anomalous?
> Guillermo Gonzalez
> "The chemical-dynamical properties of stars with giant planets are
> compared to those of a nearby star sample within the framework of a
> stellar orbital diffusion model. The stars-with-planets sample includes
> recently discovered extrasolar planets and the Sun. We find that the
> planet-bearing stars, 14 Her, rho-1 Cnc and  tau Boo, are much more
> metal-rich than stars of similar age and this cannot be easily explained
> by orbital diffusion. We also confirm previous claims that the motion of
> the Sun relative to the local standard of rest is very small compared to
> other G dwarfs of similar age, and we offer a possible explanation for
> this apparent anomaly."
>
>
> There's good news and bad news...
>
> The Close Approach of Stars in the Solar Neighbourhood Quarterly Journal
> of the Royal Astronomical Society 35 1-9 1994:
> "At present, 58 stars are known to lie within a radius of about 5
> parsecs of the Sun, and thus within the so-called "Solar Neighbourhood".
> In this paper, I calculate the trajectories and distances of those
> making the closest approach to the Sun over the next 50,000 years. I
> find that Proxima Centauri has been the closest star to the Sun for the
> last 32,000 years, but will lose this status to the dwarf star Ross 248
> in 33,000 years' time. We are approaching a period relatively rich in
> stellar encounters, with six stars coming closer to the Sun that
> Proxima's current distance within the next 45,000 years. Only the close
> approach of Alpha Centauri A/B - which has a combined mass more than
> twice that of our Sun - will have any noticeable dynamical effects,
> however. In particular, it has already begun to perturb the outer Oort
> Cloud of comets, and will put around 100,000 comets into potentially
> Earth-impacting orbits."
>
> 100,000 comets in Earth-impacting orbits? You did say 100,000,
> didn't you? I thought so. Do I start digging the shelter now?
>
> Update on Earth Trojans (subject of an earlier thread):
>

>
> They'll be searching Venus Trojan poi

Re: [meteorite-list] wow what a time I am having

[Dawn & Gerald Flaherty]

Excellante Doug. Mucho Gracias Senior, It's kinda like being there[kinda].
Jerry
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wow what a time I am having


> Hola Kind List, thanks for a few pleasant  private messages.  I don't mean
to
> turn the met-list into a vacation  showcase, but the speed of my internet
> connection is too slow to handle more  than two or three image
emailingsso I
> made a quick html page.  Enjoy  the scenary for those interested and
thanks to
> all for being patient and begging  your pardon for these sorts of messages
on
> the list.  The photos are  available at:
>
> http://www.diogenite.com/vaca2005.html
>
> Gracias, Doug
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] wow what a time I am having

[MexicoDoug]

Hola Kind List, thanks for a few pleasant  private messages.  I don't mean to 
turn the met-list into a vacation  showcase, but the speed of my internet 
connection is too slow to handle more  than two or three image emailingsso 
I 
made a quick html page.  Enjoy  the scenary for those interested and thanks to 
all for being patient and begging  your pardon for these sorts of messages on 
the list.  The photos are  available at:

http://www.diogenite.com/vaca2005.html

Gracias, Doug   

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[meteorite-list] 248 Advertisements for 194 different specimens

[MeteorHntr]

248 ads
194 specimen locations

Hello List,

Just a little heads up, www.FindMeteorites.com now has 248 seller ads up from 
194 different locations and growing almost daily.

NOTE:  Tonight is the deadline for being able to place your ad and get 40% off 
the normal price. 

If you are shopping for any specimens, be sure to stop by the site and find out 
not only which specimens are available, but also which dealers are supporting 
the site that is already making it FAR easier for you as the customer to find 
what you are looking for.   

Steve Arnold
Arkansas
Editor, www.FindMeteorites.com 
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[meteorite-list] OT: Geoff Notkin

[Walter Branch]

Sorry List,

Geoff.  Please email me.  I have the answer to your question.

-Walter Branch

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Re: [meteorite-list] Xena is the 10th New Planet

[Dawn & Gerald Flaherty]

Ron is this a definite?? Jerry
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Xena is the 10th New Planet


>
>
>
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15801892&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=xena-is-10th-new-planet--name_page.html
>
> XENA IS 10TH NEW PLANET
> By Stephen White
> mirror.co.uk (United Kingdom)
> August 1, 2005
>
> ASTRONOMERS have named the solar system's 10th planet Xena - like the
> warrior princess in the 90s cult TV show.
>
> It is nine billion miles from the sun and each orbit takes 560 years.
>
> Scientist Michael Brown said: "This will rewrite the history of
> astronomy text books.
>
> "Kids have had to learn about the nine planets for many years and I am
> now going to give them a little bit more work to do." Xena is icy, rocky
> and bigger than Pluto. And like Pluto, scientists believe its surface is
> methane.
>
> It is also 97 times further from the Sun than Earth and the constant
> temperature is around 240 degrees centigrade below zero.
>
> Mr Brown, planetary scientist at the California Institute of Technology,
> added: "This is the first object to be confirmed to be larger than Pluto
> in the outer solar system."
>
> Astronomers think Xena is about 1,700 miles in diameter - Earth is 7,900
> miles. It was detected with a 48 inch telescope after a five-year search.
>
> The last planet to be discovered in our solar system was Pluto in 1930.
>
> Scientists are still arguing over the discovery 16 months ago of another
> "planet" - Sedna believed about 1,250 miles wide. Some say it is too
> small to qualify.
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[meteorite-list] Astronomers to Decide What Makes a Planet

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050801/full/050801-2.html

Astronomers to decide what makes a planet
Jim Giles 
nature.com
August 1, 2005

Status of newly discovered world hangs in the balance.

The discovery of a new addition to our Solar System has prompted
astronomers to fast-track plans to decide what is and is not a planet.
The rules, which could be formulated by the end of this week, could more
than double the number of local planets - or they could demote Pluto,
leaving us with only eight in our neighbourhood.

The number of planets appeared to rise to ten on 29 July, when US
astronomers announced the discovery of 2003 UB313, a chunk of rock and
ice that orbits near Pluto, around 15 billion kilometres from the Sun.

Mike Brown of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, one of
the three-person team that identified the object, says the body is so
big it must surely qualify as a planet. He has submitted a name, which
he is not disclosing, to the International Astronomical Union (IAU).

But the IAU, which oversees the naming of stars and asteroids, has no
criteria for defining planets. An IAU committee has been working on the
issue for around a year and had planned to publish its results next
summer. Brown's discovery has made the debate more urgent, says Iwan
Williams, president of the planetary systems sciences division of the
IAU and an astronomer at Queen Mary, University of London. He says a
definition should be ready by the end of the week.

Little and large

Most planets in the Solar System are either solid, such as Mercury,
Venus, Earth, and Mars, or gas giants, such as Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus
and Neptune.

But Pluto and 2003 UB313, both rocky worlds that lie beyond the gas
giants, fall into a final and controversial group.

When discovered in 1930, Pluto was thought to exist alone. Astronomers
now know it lies in the Kuiper Belt, a jumble of rocky and icy objects
that rings the Sun. New objects are continually discovered in the belt.
And several Kuiper Belt objects are a similar size to Pluto - 2003 UB313
is thought to be larger. If Pluto is a defined as a planet, then around
ten other Kuiper Belt objects should presumably also qualify.

But many astronomers object to this, and argue that Kuiper Belt objects
should have a separate status. Williams, for example, points out that
gas giants and terrestrial planets are much larger than Kuiper Belt
objects, and don't exist in a ring of debris. If the committee follows
this reasoning, Pluto could lose its traditional status.

Out of kilter

The orbits of the inner planets also lie in the same plane. But 2003
UB313 and some other Kuiper Belt objects are in a wildly different
orbit, at nearly a 45° angle to the rest. Some experts say this wouldn't
necessarily discount it as a planet.

Brown argues that astronomers cannot control what gets called a planet.
"Our culture has fully embraced the idea that Pluto is a planet and
scientists have for the most part not yet fully realized that the term
'planet' no longer belongs to them," he says.

"Everyone should ignore the distracting debates of the scientists, and
planets in our Solar System should be defined not by some attempt at
forcing a scientific definition on a thousands-of-years-old cultural
term, but by simply embracing culture," says Brown. "Pluto is a planet
because culture says it is." And, he adds, that means his new find is a
planet too.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for a piece of Esquel

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> Steve wrote:
> 
> "I have $500 to spend on a piece of esquel pallasite
> ...
> I am looking for a 17 to 30 gram piece. Let me know
> who has any in that range.
> 
> John and Dawn Birdsell (Arizona Skies) have plenty
> of
> gorgeous Esquels - even in that and comparable
> ranges:
> 
> One example (although already sold):
> 
>
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> 
> Best regards,
> 
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[meteorite-list] Looking for a piece of Esquel

[bernd . pauli]

Steve wrote:

"I have $500 to spend on a piece of esquel pallasite ...
I am looking for a 17 to 30 gram piece. Let me know
who has any in that range.

John and Dawn Birdsell (Arizona Skies) have plenty of
gorgeous Esquels - even in that and comparable ranges:

One example (although already sold):

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Best regards,

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[meteorite-list] looking for a piece of esquel

[Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!]

Hi list.I have $500 to spend on a piece of esquel pallasite for which I am
looking for a piece.I am looking for a 17 to 30 gram piece.Let me know who
has any in that range.

  steve

Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 
 

Illinois Meteorites,Ltd!


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[meteorite-list] Re: wow what a time I am having

[MexicoDoug]

Steve A. (Elgin, IL) wrote:
 
>Alot of it is wide open,especially by the ocean.I have gotten dark I  look 
>like the locals down here.Oh well 2 more days then back home.I have 
>13 new meteorites waiting for me when I get back home.It has been 90 
>or better everyday,the ocean at least 85 degrees as well.And oh my  god,
>all the pretty senoritas.That is a tale for another time.

>bye bye from mazatlan,steve
 
Hola List,
 
For all my list and brick and morter amigos who weren't missing me last  week 
not to hock some meteorites, or even not to chat about Pluto, I  
theoretically apologise and presume to you that it was vacation time, and  
being stuck in 
Mexico everyday without international travel buck$, it was a  modest jaunt to 
the beach in the VW bug for a week.  
 
Unlike Steve of Elgin, there was no internet available nor desired, it was  
to an even warmer, with much fewer tourists (all were "locals").   Everyone was 
quite friendly and I acquired the name "camarón pescador" since I  hunted 
conchas chinas during the brief opportunities when the whirling  sand settled 
between the rambunctious waves on a momentarily crystal  bottom, and due to the 
fact that I didn't take to tanning as well as Steve  quoted above.  The ruddy 
Sunsets were as inviting as the green  coconuts were profuse and fattening 
(including whatever they were  lightly spiking them with: hopefully not grain 
from 
the local pharmacy).  
 
Different from the destinations of the rich, drunk and famous, the day  was 
right for rice, beans and fresh-fried huachinango with lettuce and  tomato, and 
the night for a favorite wine in tranquility.  Quiet, long,  safe walks far 
along the dark beaches yielded two nice fireballs gazing upward  near Scorpius; 
I had a LM of practically 5th magnitude sky (that is to die for  based on the 
home sky).  The Milky Way glistened above casting  suggestive starlit 
highlights upon the crashing waves of the  sea.  Clean, foamy trails spread 
about by 
the wake of the hypnotizing  crests upon lush beaches tickled a wanderer 
therapeutically and  delightfully in exchange for leaving footprints in the 
fluffy 
sands.   Like the astros above, some phosfluorescent miniature organisms lit 
entire  constellations before one's wondrous gaze, deposited in the sands, 
after  magically sparkling within the ebbs and reach of every  wave.
 
It wasn't so bad to miss the 10th planet by a few days, nor the Tour de  
Lance, but it's nice to be back (Did I' say "I'll be back:)")  As usual, it  
was 
hard to pony up moments to take photos, but there were a few  exceptions, if 
anyone wants I'll shamelessly send or upload a couple to my  site on request.  
Saludos mexicanos, Doug
 
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[meteorite-list] Ad - 77 Great Auctions Ending!

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[meteorite-list] Professor Proposes Asteroid Mission (Hera)

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.nwaonline.net/articles/2005/08/01/front/03nasa.txt

Professor Aims For Asteroids
UA SPACE DIRECTOR PITCHES $500 MILLION NASA MISSION
By Jeff Smith 
The Morning News (Arkansas)
August 1, 2005

FAYETTEVILLE -- A piece of rock 50 million to 100 million miles away
could explain the origins of life and possibly preserve life for
generations.

Derek Sears, director of the Arkansas Center for Space and Planetary
Sciences, leads an international group of 20 scientists pitching a $500
million mission to NASA.

The trip to a near-Earth asteroid would collect samples that Sears and
his team would study at various sites across the world, although the
University of Arkansas would play a leadership role, he said.

Asteroids serve as mostly unaltered relics from the beginning of the
solar system and could answer what really happened millions of years ago
to form the Earth, Sears said.

"It was there when it happened," said Sears, the W.M. Keck Professor of
Space and Planetary Sciences.

The mission, termed Hera after the Greek goddess and wife of Zeus, would
also detail what materials compose an asteroid. Scientists and the Air
Force through the Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Near Earth Asteroid
Tracking project could determine how best to deflect asteroids from
hitting Earth.

The NEAT project team reports that near-Earth asteroids about 1
kilometer in diameter could pose a global disaster, but one hitting
Earth likely occurs every 1,000 centuries on average. There are believed
to be 1,000 to 2,000 such large asteroids, although the team has
identified roughly 100, according to its Web site.

"If the big one hits, it is Armageddon," Sears said. "So what are we
going to do? Are we going to watch them whiz by and nearly miss?"

The Hera project could also provide NASA with valuable information
before attempting to reach Mars, Sears said, because his mission would
require half the technology needed for a Mars trip.

NASA reached the asteroid Eros in 2001 through the Near Earth Asteroid
Rendezvous mission that captured thousands of photos. Sears wants to
take NASA's success one step further by collecting samples from an asteroid.

"Six years ago, you wouldn't dare propose it because they would have
thought you were nuts," he said.

The science mission would require a spacecraft to hover over the
asteroid while maintaining its 67,000-mile-per-hour speed and
trajectory. The spacecraft would drill into the asteroid to collect
samples and then bounce off the rock and return to Earth.

"You're trying to operate all of this 50 million miles away and you're
trying to make those two things not kill each other," said Sears, who
has wanted to be an astronaut since age 11.

Sears has worked on the Hera project since 1998 and is collaborating
with Stacy Weinstein, a group supervisor at the Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, a NASA center staffed and managed by the California
Institute of Technology.

CalTech is paying two-thirds of the $1 million needed to submit the
proposal to NASA, and the UA is providing a third.

"Derek is extremely knowledgeable, extremely energetic, really is a
broad thinker and is refreshingly nice to work with," Weinstein said.

Sears and his counterparts across the nation and four in England are
building prototypes that will help the spacecraft collect samples from
the asteroid.

Sears spreads part of the craft out on the old UA Museum exhibit floor
behind a large dinosaur that many scientists believe became extinct
because of an asteroid.

The proposal is part of a grant competition at NASA, which will select
two or three projects a year to provide an additional $1 million for a
more detailed concept proposal, Sears said.

The Hera project missed out on NASA funding last year, but Sears is
optimistic this fall. About 20 groups submit proposals each year, and
Sears said he has competition from three similar near-Earth asteroid
proposals.

If selected, the Hera project would take six years to build with a
possible launch in 2012. The four-year mission would bring back rocks
from asteroids to Arkansas, where Sears and his team, including about a
dozen students, would evaluate them.

The Arkansas space center would become one of the main centers for
analyzing asteroids in the world if the project is approved, Sears said.

UA Provost Bob Smith said the Hera Project, the largest proposal to date
by the university to a federal agency, would bring enormous resources
and prestige to the state.

"To imagine the University of Arkansas in the lead of such a phenomenal
large grant and in the lead among highly prestigious institutions would
have probably been thought unimaginable not too many years ago," he said.

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[meteorite-list] Gemini Observatory Shows That '10th Planet' Has a Pluto-Like Surface

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.gemini.edu/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=142

Gemini Observatory Shows That "10th Planet" Has a Pluto-Like Surface  
Gemini Observatory
29 July 2005

Gemini Observatory has obtained a preliminary spectrum of 2003 UB313,
the so-called "10th planet". These observations were obtained on January
25, 2005 by Chad Trujillo, a Gemini staff member who is also on the
discovery team for 2003 UB313, the existence of which was formally
announced by the Minor Planet Center in Cambridge, MA on July 29, 2005.
The discovery team (Mike Brown of Caltech, Chad Trujillo of Gemini and
David Rabinowitz of Yale) are still uncertain of the exact size of the
body, but report that it must be Pluto-sized or larger. The body is the
most distant solar system body known to orbit the sun at 97 AU from the
sun, over 3 times farther away than planet Pluto. The "planet" was
originally discovered in late December 2004 with data collected from the
Samuel Oschin 1.2 meter telescope at Palomar Mountain, CA.

To better characterize the surface of the object the team obtained
spectra with NIRI (the near-infrared spectrograph) on the much larger 8
meter Gemini North telescope on Mauna Kea, Hawaii. The NIRI spectra
shows strong signatures of methane ice, remarkably similar to the
spectrum of Pluto, which is also dominated by methane ice in
near-infrared observations. Figure 2 shows the spectra of Pluto and 2003
UB313, with arrows marking the "dips" that correspond to methane
features. The same features are readily apparent in both the Pluto and
the 2003 UB313 spectra.

Figure 2: 2003 UB313 spectrum (red, obtained at Gemini Observatory by
Trujillo, Brown and Rabinowitz) and Pluto (black, from Rudy et al.
2003). The "dips" characteristic of methane ice are indicated by red
arrows and are present in both 2003 UB313 and Pluto.

Trujillo states, "We still do not know much about this object, however,
it is clear that it is very similar to Pluto in both size and
composition, at least upon first glance." The presence of methane ice is
unusual in that it indicates a primitive surface that has not likely
been heated significantly since the solar system formed 4.5 billion
years ago. "If 2003 UB313 ever got close to the sun, all the methane ice
would have boiled off immediately," Trujillo continued. "To date, no one
has seen methane on any other Kuiper Belt Object, only on Pluto and
Neptune's moon Triton." The distant Kuiper Belt is a collection of
bodies orbiting the sun beyond Neptune, and is likely the parent
population to the comets.

The team have also obtained spectra of the smaller mini-planet 2003
EL61, which was reported on July 28, 2005 by two independent teams: one
from the Sierra Nevada Observatory in Spain and the Brown, Trujillo and
Rabinowitz team. This object is smaller than Pluto, but shows strong
water-ice features, similar to what is seen on the surface of Pluto's
moon Charon.

Results will be reported in detail at the 37th annual meeting of the
Division for Planetary Sciences of the American Astronomical Society in
September 2005 at the University of Cambridge, UK.


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[meteorite-list] Expedition Sent To Meteorite Crash Site in Siberia

[Ron Baalke]

http://en.rian.ru/science/20050801/41067182.html

Expedition sent to meteorite crash site in Siberia
RIA Novosti
August 1, 2005

Irkutsk (RIA Novosti, Alexander Batalin) - A new scientific
expedition has set off for the crash site of a gigantic meteoroid that
hit eastern Siberia, near the Vitim River, in September 2002.

Researchers investigating the crater said this might be their last
chance to find large fragments of the bolide, which they hope will
provide them with some vital information about the space impact threat.
The previous three expeditions yielded nothing but cosmic dust grains.

Irkutsk University Observatory Director Sergei Yazev, who is leading the
fourth expedition to the Vitim meteoroid crash site, said his team would
be following a new itinerary, drawn up after meticulous study of the
seismic waves recorded by local monitoring stations during the incident.

Yazev said expedition participants will also try to solve the mystery of
a hillside pyramid spotted in the area back in 1949. The pyramid, with a
crater on top, is believed to be either the result of the impact of a
super-dense celestial body or the result of a powerful volcanic eruption.

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Re: [meteorite-list] WHAT IS A PLANET?

[MexicoDoug]

Martin A. wrote:

>To decide, how to call it, is more a question of history, guess 
>Doug will write us a nice homework about.
 
Hola Martin, Sterling, Al, Chris, Alex, Darren, Xena, List,
 
Thanks, Martin, I'll mostly pass on this planetary round - been there, done  
that when Tom was helping his kid debate Pluto last time on the metlist - 
except  (!!), to generally agree with Sterling about having an open mind for 
different  classes of planets, why not?  The more we learn about our Solar 
System  
in this nearly unprecedented age of discovery, the more we need to extend our  
vocabulary to cover and accomodate.  I am still having problems figuring  out 
why Vesta isn't called a planet but I don't want to takes sides in a  
senslessly manufactured debate!  Vesta is cool, differentiated and fits my  
tastes.  
Ceres, the first asteroid identified from earth was called a  planet for a 
while, but then was weaseled down to a planetoid whatever that is  supposed to 
mean, and from what I can tell the rationale was because it was not  the main 
mass in its orbit (however that is defined - someone from Caltech  had recently 
formalized this definition for a planet and probably has nicely fit  the 
random history, nomenclature and structure to agree with his opinion).   The 
new 
discovery's planetary _status_ is just a _status_ symbol like calling a  
particular astronomical brew a good beer.  The obvious ones are hard to  
dispute, and 
then there are all the others, which resemble other liquids more  than the 
original type specimens - to each her own.  So whether being less  filling in 
its orbit, or tasting great for someone else, the discoverer's  comment on 
kid's 
textbooks is the only real issue I see here.  Fairy tale  explanations of 
Snow White (Earth) and the seven dwarfs and their  now sometimes informally 
downgraded Dog, Pluto, are no longer as easy to  explain as a Disney cartoon.  
Great!  As education migrates from  senselessly memorizing mnemonics like "My 
Very 
Earnest Mother Just Served Us  Nine Pickles" to having kids fire up the mind 
for the complexities of life, I'll  be happy to watch the cheerleaders in the 
great planetary contest from  the sidelines.  Maybe the Gods are just laughing 
and the new discovery is  just a gift of a golden apple from Venus to set the 
astronomical community  straight that she is the most beautiful planet of all 
(and perhaps jealous of  her status as the only woman planet in the 
heavens?)...
Saludos, Doug
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] WHAT IS A PLANET?

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:20:42 +0200, "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi Al&All,
>
>> The naming of a planet is left to the astronomical community and they
>> tend to name after the Greek gods. Suggesting and speculating names on
>> this list is simply a waste of time although fun.
>
>Not at all, it helps to understand, how garish the decision was to name that
>object after a TV-Show:  "Xena".
>Guess the next KBOs will be called: Hulk, Buck, Blob, (Larry, Moe and
>Curly), Fuzzy & Lassie.
>

Actually, they DIDN'T name it after a TV show.  As usual in science stories, 
the news media are
wrong.  Xena is just an informal nickname they have been using for it and NOT a 
serious proposal as
to what to name the KBO.
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Re: [meteorite-list] WHAT IS A PLANET?

[Alexander Seidel]

Martin wrote:

> Not at all, it helps to understand, how garish the decision was to name
> that object after a TV-Show:  "Xena".
> Guess the next KBOs will be called: Hulk, Buck, Blob, (Larry, Moe and
> Curly), Fuzzy & Lassie.

Scotty! :-)

OK, sorry, back to meteorites...
Alex
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Re: [meteorite-list] WHAT IS A PLANET?

[Martin Altmann]

Hi Al&All,

> The naming of a planet is left to the astronomical community and they
> tend to name after the Greek gods. Suggesting and speculating names on
> this list is simply a waste of time although fun.

Not at all, it helps to understand, how garish the decision was to name that
object after a TV-Show:  "Xena".
Guess the next KBOs will be called: Hulk, Buck, Blob, (Larry, Moe and
Curly), Fuzzy & Lassie.

>(what happened
> to the Pluto express??)

Cancelled. First you must back to the Moon, before the Chinese are there
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/database/MasterCatalog?sc=PLUTOKE

For those, who want to learn about the life and works of Clyde Tombaugh:
http://www.klx.com/clyde/

Martin


- Original Message - 
From: "AL Mitterling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:32 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WHAT IS A PLANET?


> Hi Sterling, Martin and all,
>
> Although some might considered off topic (what is a planet) it is on
> topic as we don't know where some of the unique meteorites in our
> collections come from or any new type that may be discovered. It also
> fits the description in the Meteoritical Society's front page.
>
> I had the privilege of talking to Clyde Tombaugh (discover of Pluto) at
> an astronomical league national convention. He joined us one of the
> clear observing nights. Although I did a bit of observing it seem more
> important to me to talk to Clyde. Many of the other amateurs seem more
> enthusiastic about observing rather than tapping the knowledge from Clyde.
>
> I had a nice half an hour talk with him. One of the questions that have
> come up in this thread is how we could have missed such an object. Clyde
> mentioned searching from -50 degrees south to +50 degrees north, however
> there were spots missing from this search due the W.W.II. The search had
> to be discontinued for more important reasons. Some areas were missing
> down to 20 degree north. No doubt objects could have been in the missed
> areas but Clyde seem to think we had covered our bases pretty good. Not
> to say it wouldn't be impossible for another discovery. Also those doing
> the work on the blink comparitors, could have always missed a spot when
> doing the search for other objects. Clyde mentioned problems with Pluto,
> size, makeup and other interesting items. So they were more than aware.
>
> The discovery of Pluto created a big stir back then and there was a big
> media frenzy. The Lowell staff kept things quiet as long as they could
> because they were needing to prepare. Also they wanted to pick out a
> name before others in the astronomical community had a chance to ruin
> this for them. Back then (and probably still today) others were eager to
> try to steal the spot light of such an important event and take over.
> Try to take away from those who had done the work and much work had been
> done.
>
> Those wanting to demote Pluto to a lesser object would probably be cast
> out of society by those folks. I personally don't like changing such
> significant historical discoveries, rewriting history. Let Pluto stay
> even if it is a lesser object. I know that Clyde later on expressed this
> and was somewhat hurt by others trying to demote the planet while he was
> still living.
>
> I agree until we explore further out in our solar system (and we need
> to) examine what lies out in the great beyond, we will continue to
> debate issues that can only be answered by exploration. (what happened
> to the Pluto express??) I agree with Francis Graham it would be nice to
> find a meteorite from out in those regions even though the probability
> is not good. One thing for sure is until we know more about the make up
> of those objects, it will be hard to know one way or the other if we do
> indeed have one.
>
> The naming of a planet is left to the astronomical community and they
> tend to name after the Greek gods. Suggesting and speculating names on
> this list is simply a waste of time although fun.
>
> --AL Mitterling
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[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - August 1, 2005

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http://www.spacerocksinc.com/August1.html  

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