Re: [meteorite-list] Fukang Sale (No Tucson?..No Problem!)
For those of you with the Tucson Show blues.. I may have something to cheer you up! I have three of the most beautiful Fukang (PAL) slices you have ever seen .. all three are 30g and under, and paper thin ( ..they look like minature stained-glass windows.) Just as good, if not better than Esquel.. in my opinion. With that said, most U.S. dealers are asking around $30/g for similar slices. I'll go $25/g on these.. email for details. Paypal accepted... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks everyone! ..and for those of you in Tucson, enjoy the show! Cheers, Ryan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Refrigerator-Sized Chunk of Ice Crushes Car inFlorida
Hi, The press does have trouble with reality, doesn't it? A refrigerator-sized chuck of ice weighs 50 pounds? 1 cubic foot of ice weighs 57.2 pounds. My cheap 18 cubic foot refrigerator measures about 50 cubic feet on the outside. A block of ice that size would weigh 1.252 TONS. The other report says it weighed 100 pounds. Why do we even listen to these people? Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:26 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Refrigerator-Sized Chunk of Ice Crushes Car inFlorida http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,247938,00.html Refrigerator-Sized Chunk of Ice Crushes Car in Florida Fox News January 28, 2007 A Hillsborough County resident's Ford Mustang was destroyed by just that Sunday, when a large slab of ice fell from the clear Florida sky directly onto the automobile, WTVT reports. A neighbor of the resident who's now down a car told the local FOX affiliate that there was whooshing sound around 9 a.m. EST. Just moments later, he saw the car get crushed by ice. Neighbors speculated the block of ice weighed at least 50 pounds. No injuries were reported, and the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office said it is investigating. Federal Aviation Administration and local airport officials told WTVT they are unsure if a plane could be faulted for the incident. This latest incident comes less than two weeks ago something similar happened in Philadelphia. A chunk of ice believed to have come from a passing airliner fell through the roof of home in the Pennsylvania suburb. No one was injured, but a mother and her 4-year-old daughter were home at the time. The FAA is currently investigating that incident. --- Aliens, Atmosphere, or Airplane? By Valerie Boey Tampa Bay's 10 News January 28, 2007 Tampa, Florida -- Neighbors heard a whistling sound is what they described before noticing that a neighbor's car was severly damaged. The Ford Mustang had a 100 pound block of ice sitting in the backseat. The back end of the car was caved in. The only explanation from neighbors is the ice fell from the sky. Hillsborough deputies do not believe it was a criminal activity. The 20-year-old owner of the car is upset and did not want to talk to Tampa Bay's 10 News. His father says he has not seen anything like it before. Neighbors have pieces of the ice chunk in their refrigerators. The owner of the car is in possession of the major chunk of ice. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Refrigerator-Sized Chunk of Ice Crushes Car in Florida
It could have been worse-- they could have been hit by a stowawayarite: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/29/los.angeles.airport.body.ap/index.html http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/12/national/main2355967.shtml http://www.aero-news.net/news/commair.cfm?ContentBlockID=f2357ea5-d79d-4104-b242-cae3e1a3b349Dynamic=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Refrigerator-Sized Chunk of Ice Crushes Carin Florida
Hi On Jan, 12, 2007, a dead stowaway from Senegal was found in a wheelwell at Atlanta. In Jan., 2006, a frozen stowaway fell on a gas station in suburban London. In June, 2005, a stowaway leg and torso fell on Long Island, damaging a home. Between 1996 and 2001, three dead stowaways fell on Long Island. The earliest case in the US date back to the 1970's when a dead man was found on a Long Island lawn, showing no apparent cause of death nor any physical trauma. However, the man's body was deeply depressed into the ground. He was eventually identified as Spanish and it was (correctly) surmised that he had stowed away in a nosewheel well, asphixiated at altitude, frozen quite solid, and had been released when the landing wheel was lowered. The frequency of such incidents is increasing. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Refrigerator-Sized Chunk of Ice Crushes Carin Florida It could have been worse-- they could have been hit by a stowawayarite: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/01/29/los.angeles.airport.body.ap/index.html http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/12/national/main2355967.shtml http://www.aero-news.net/news/commair.cfm?ContentBlockID=f2357ea5-d79d-4104-b242-cae3e1a3b349Dynamic=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dig Deeply to Seek Life on Mars
http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/2007-03.html Dig deeply to seek life on Mars AGU Release No. 07-03 29 January 2007 American Geophysical Union University College London Joint Release AGU Contact: Peter Weiss Public Information Manager Phone: +1-202-777-7507 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UCL Contact: Alexandra Brew Phone: +44-(0)20-7679-9726 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WASHINGTON - Probes seeking life on Mars must dig deeply into young craters, gullies, or recently exposed ice to have a chance of finding any living cells that were not annihilated by radiation, researchers report in a new study. One promising place to look for them is within the ice at Elysium, site of a recently discovered frozen sea, they say. Current probes designed to find life on Mars cannot drill deeply enough to find living cells that may exist well below the surface, according to the study. Although these drills may yet find signs that life once existed on Mars, the researchers say, cellular life could not survive incoming radiation within several meters [yards] of the surface. This puts any living cells beyond the reach of todayâs best drills. The study, to be published 30 January in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, maps cosmic radiation levels at various depths, taking into account surface conditions in various areas of Mars. The lead author, Lewis Dartnell of University College London, said: Finding hints that life once existed - proteins, DNA fragments, or fossils - would be a major discovery in itself, but the Holy Grail for astrobiologists is finding a living cell that we can warm up, feed nutrients, and reawaken for studying. Finding life on Mars depends on liquid water surfacing on Mars, Dartnell added, but the last time liquid water was widespread on Mars was billions of years ago. Even the hardiest cells we know of could not possibly survive the cosmic radiation levels near the surface of Mars for that long. Unlike Earth, Mars is not protected by a global magnetic field or thick atmosphere, and for billions of years it has been open to radiation from space. The researchers developed a radiation dose model and quantified variations in solar and galactic radiation that penetrates the thin Martian atmosphere down to the surface and underground. They tested three surface soil scenarios and calculated particle energies and radiation doses both on the surface and at various depths underground, allowing them to estimate the survival times of any cells. The team found that the best places to look for living cells on Mars would be within the ice at Elysium, because the frozen sea is relatively recent - it is thought to have surfaced in the last five million years - and so has been exposed to radiation for a relatively short period of time. Even here, though, any surviving cells would be out of the reach of current drills. Other ideal sites include young craters, because the recently impacted surface has been exposed to less radiation, and gullies recently discovered in the sides of craters. Those channels may have flowed with water in the last five years and brought cells to the surface from deep underground. The study was funded by the United Kingdom's Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council (EPSRC), the Swiss National Science Foundation, and the Swiss State Secretariat for Education and Research. Notes for Journalists Journalists and public information officers of educational and scientific institutions (only) can receive a PDF copy of this paper (a pre-publication copy subject to final editing of any article listed as in press) by sending a message to Jonathan Lifland at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please provide your name, the name of your publication, and your phone number. Members of the public can read the abstract of any published paper by clicking on the doi link in the source section, at the end of the highlight. The full scientific article is available for purchase through a link in the abstract. The paper and this press release are not under embargo. Title: Modelling the surface and subsurface Martian radiation environment: Implications for astrobiology Authors: Lewis Dartnell: Centre for Mathematics and Physics in the Life Sciences and Experimental Biology (CoMPLEX), University College London, London, United Kingdom; L. Desorgher: Physikalisches Institut, University of Bern, Bern, Switzerland;J. M. Ward: Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, University College London, London, United Kingdom; A. J. Coates: Mullard Space Science Laboratory, University College London, Dorking,United Kingdom. Citation: Dartnell, L. R., L. Desorgher, J. M. Ward, and A. J. Coates (2007), Modelling the surface and subsurface Martian radiation environment: Implications for astrobiology, Geophys. Res. Lett., 34, L02207, doi:10.1029/2006GL027494, in press. Contact information for
[meteorite-list] something in the northwest sky
Any listoids in Honolulu area? http://www.khon2.com/home/ticker/5387746.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] something in the northwest sky in Hawaii
Any listoids in Honolulu area? http://www.khon2.com/home/ticker/5387746.html UFO's seen over South Shore sky By Andrew Pereira KHON2 Fox News (Hawaii) January 27, 2007 It's hard to draw a surfer's attention away from the next wave, but whatever was in the northwest sky Friday evening around 6:20 p.m. drew a crowd along Kewalo Basin and Ala Moana Beach Park. Honolulu resident Peter Hollingworth described as two lights circling in the sky, about 45 degrees above the horizon. Video of one of the lights was recorded from the Channel 2 SkyCam. These two little fireballs with a stream behind it, said Hollingworth. Looked kind of like a shooting start but it just kept going. They changed directions a few times, at first it was coming in then it turned, then it went out then it came back in again Hollingworth was surfing with his 12 year old son when the unexpected show began. I was a little concerned. I told him come over and sit with me - this might be the last surf session we ever have together because this thing's coming straight for Honolulu. It looked deadly to me it was kind of spooky. So what was it? The National Weather Service says nothing showed up on their radar at the time of the sighting and the Federal Aviation Administration didn't report anything unusual. The U.S. military conducted a missile defense test off of Kauai Friday evening but the test didn't begin until 7:20 p.m. This in a sense is an unidentified flying object, said University of Hawaii astronomy professor Gareth Wynn-Williams. It's something in the sky that's moving that we haven't identified. Wynn-Williams believes there's a simple explanation behind the UFO's. It's probably a contrail of some kind, he said while watching video of one of the lights at his Kailua home. The professor says contrails are caused by high flying airplanes burning hydrogen based fuels. One of the byproducts of the fuel exhaust is water. The air is very cold so the water condenses and forms like drops very quickly and then these drops stay behind the plane until eventually they warm up and they evaporate. Wynn-Williams doubts little green men from Mars are behind the UFO's. Some people just think differently than scientists and they like to look for the fanciest most exciting explanation. Those people would like to think it's little green men, I think that's very unlikely. According to published reports this is not the first time a UFO has grabbed the attention of Hawaii residents. In December of 2004 an unexplained streak of light was captured by a camera on Haleakala moving southwest to northeast. No official explanation has been given for that UFO either. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] interesting speculation Pacific Basin origin
Just for fun, before we understood about plate tectonics and thought that land only moved up and down, not back and forth, it was widely believed that the Pacific Ocean was, not an impact feature, but an outpact feature, the place where the Moon spun off the Earth, leaving what would be the largest basin in the Solar System (if it were true, that is). Sterling Webb Hadn't heard this before but often considered the break up of Pangea etc., a result of impacts. A string of cometary material similar to that which impacted Jupiter in the late 90s might do a superb job of perforating the continents into a myriad of interesting shapes. Or as the multiple strings of impact craters seen on the Martain surface describe. Not that impacts are needed to explain such phenomena. Ordinary tectonic gyrations probably provide an ample source for the stretching and contorting going on worldwide today. Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Average size of craters across the solarsystem?
Hi, List, The head-on collision is a real rarity because of its improbability. But all things happen given time enough. A comet rounding the Sun on a highly eccentric orbit could have its perihelion at the orbit of your planet and be traveling in the opposite direction. If the comet was hyperbolic (like SWAN M4), it would be moving at just above the local escape velocity from the Sun at that orbital distance. The combined collision velocities would be 2.414 times the orbital velocity of the planet. (Escape velocity is 1.414 times orbital velocity.) For Mercury, that would be 115.64 km/sec. For the Earth, 72.94 km/sec. But the head-on is unlikely. A bit more likely is crossing paths, when a body in a highly eccentric orbit smacks us upside the planet, a right-angle collision. The velocity there is that of the comet plus the acceleration of the Earth's gravity on it, a complicated sum that depends on the precise details, but likely an impact velocity of ~ 54 km/sec for the Earth. For smaller random bodies, the minimum impact velocity is the velocity gained by falling down the larger body's gravity well, the escape velocity of the planet, if the falling body started at rest at a distance from the planet. But few things are at rest in the solar system. Common objects (like most meteoroids) have terminal velocities of 15 to 25 km/sec, 11.2 km/sec gained from falling to the Earth and the rest is what they approached with. At Mercury, things are likely to be approaching much faster, so velocities, as a statistical matter, are likely higher. The energy of the collision goes up by the square of the velocity, so, yeah, speed counts more than mass. [This is an excursion.] A standard BB weighs 0.12 gram. If it fell in through the Earth's gravitation field, its energy would be 15,053 Joules, or 0.00178 pounds of TNT: the explosion of about a gram of TNT. Hmmm. Let's shoot that BB out a rail gun at 500 km/sec (quite achievable); now it has the impact energy of 14.33 pounds of TNT. Heck, let's boost it up 1% of the speed of light. Impact energy? 2400 TONS of TNT. Just stand off a few billion miles and fire three pound iron balls at a planet at 1% of light speed. 25 Megaton impacts. Call it the Tunguska Cannon. Luckily, gravity wells are natural limiters of speed; go too fast and you're out of here. The other end of the speed problem comes up a lot in modeling giant collisions, like the formation of the Moon by the impact of a Mars-size body on the Earth. It just doesn't work if the two big bodies are moving very fast relative to each other when they smack or even just graze. Escape velocity is way too fast. They have to kiss at only 1 or 2 km/sec or even less. How the heck does that happen? The only way is if the two bodies are in very similar orbits with similar velocities and are perturbed gently into each other. How do you get a Proto-Earth and a Mars Mass (or two) into the same orbit? I would propose that the Proto-Moon was a big Earth-orbit Trojan that was perturbed out of its Lagrangian resonance and drifted along the orbit until we met up with each other. would a 10 cm object hitting Mercury at top velocity not make a larger crater with Mercury's larger velocity? Yes, on average, but there's so much variation in mass and speed circumstances that averages don't mean much. Callisto is not massive nor does it have a high orbital velocity, yet the Valhalla Basin is 4000 km. The impactor was probably pretty good sized! The fact that little Mars has so many big basins suggests multiple big impactors. I listed the biggest hits because impactors follow a statistical distribution of sizes and energies, a power law with a variable coefficient. The size and number of the biggest ones is a good indicator of the size of the impactor population. I would propose that Mars had a bigger impactor population than other planets. (I told you this was a bad neighborhood.) And the saturation (means new craters just destroy old craters) of most cratered surfaces wipes out the fine details of the cratering population, so that all cratering populations look alike after a while. All the airless rocky bodies have more or less the same statistical distributuon of craters. There's always enough rocks to go around. The big basins are the only clues left. As for the three meteorites spotted on Mars, well, any object that makes it safely to the surface of any planet is a lucky bird, a one in 100,000, one in a million, and that phenomenon is really unrelated to the big picture. Meteorites are improbabilities. They most likely have a) low approach velocities, b) low angles of incidence to the atmosphere, c) an initial or intermediate aerodynamic shape, and d) luck (again). That the rovers have now spotted three meteorites on Mars in such a tiny land area of the planet as they survey suggests there may be a lot of meteorites on Mars. Why? Using our terrestrial minds, our first
Re: [meteorite-list] interesting speculation Pacific 'Basin' origin
Back in the dark ages (1950s and early 1960s), before the Dawning of the Age of Aquarius (Which really starts somewhere between 2060 and 2100), we were taught (and some of us even taught) that it was interesting how it looked like South America fit into Africa and that the Pacific Ocean basin was about the size of the Moon. One of the models for the formation of the Moon was the binary fission model: the Earth was rotating fast enough to spin off the Moon. There are a lot of problems with this model, but it sure looked good when one looked at the size and shape of the Pacific! It still hung on even after the discovery of moving plates. This model hung on until at least the mid 80s (Alan Binder, et al.), but with the advent of the Giant Impact model (Hartmann and others), the other models (fission, co-accretion, and capture) began to lose favor. Larry On Mon, January 29, 2007 2:30 pm, Gerald Flaherty wrote: Just for fun, before we understood about plate tectonics and thought that land only moved up and down, not back and forth, it was widely believed that the Pacific Ocean was, not an impact feature, but an outpact feature, the place where the Moon spun off the Earth, leaving what would be the largest basin in the Solar System (if it were true, that is). Sterling Webb Hadn't heard this before but often considered the break up of Pangea etc., a result of impacts. A string of cometary material similar to that which impacted Jupiter in the late 90s might do a superb job of perforating the continents into a myriad of interesting shapes. Or as the multiple strings of impact craters seen on the Martain surface describe. Not that impacts are needed to explain such phenomena. Ordinary tectonic gyrations probably provide an ample source for the stretching and contorting going on worldwide today. Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone visit the NJO today?
Very curious indeed. I'm not convinced by a long shot. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone visit the NJO today? Hi, I'll gladly grant that I do not a huge amount of hands-on experience with irons and have only looked at 40 or 50, but I have to say that the surface of this object has the oddest geometry. I've been staring at the reasonably good photo in the article (URL below). It does not resemble any aerodynamic sculpture I've ever seen. I call on the more expert (and there are lots of you!), does this look meteoritic in its surface features to you? Because I don't want to be a Lazy Listoid that just dumps stuff on others, I went to Google Images for iron meteorite and cruised through the first 600 pictures or so, looking for its like. Didn't see it. Lots of nice irons, but nothing with surface features like this. From what I can gather, Delaney gave it the nickel test (it passed) but was not allowed to cut or window or etch. It seems to have been informally accepted into the Meteorite Club, by the press anyway. If it's real, how did it get these surface features? Anyone have any iron similar in its sculpture? Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone visit the NJO today? http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070128/NEWS03/701280423/1007/OPINION __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: New Issue: Rayed Craters on Mars
ENJOY! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: PSRD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: New Issue: Rayed Craters on Mars Another January Announcement from Planetary Science Research Discoveries [PSRD] New Issue: Did Martian Meteorites Come From These Sources? --- Researchers find large rayed craters on Mars and consider the reasons why they may be launching sites of Martian meteorites. Full story with pdf link at: http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Jan07/MarsRayedCraters.html - PSRD is an educational web site supported by NASA's Cosmochemistry Program and the Hawaii Space Grant Consortium to share the latest research on meteorites, planets, moons, and other solar system bodies. You are subscribed to our free mailing list. We never send attachments. For more information please see http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/PSRDsubscribe.html - Jeff Taylor and Linda Martel Hawaii Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, University of Hawaii [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice (808) 956-3899 fax (808) 956-6322 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Average size of craters across the solarsystem?
Always entertaining Sterling, and as a consequence, forces mathematically challanged schlubs like yours truly onward and upward [I think] through to your conclusions. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Average size of craters across the solarsystem? Hi, List, The head-on collision is a real rarity because of its improbability. But all things happen given time enough. A comet rounding the Sun on a highly eccentric orbit could have its perihelion at the orbit of your planet and be traveling in the opposite direction. If the comet was hyperbolic (like SWAN M4), it would be moving at just above the local escape velocity from the Sun at that orbital distance. The combined collision velocities would be 2.414 times the orbital velocity of the planet. (Escape velocity is 1.414 times orbital velocity.) For Mercury, that would be 115.64 km/sec. For the Earth, 72.94 km/sec. But the head-on is unlikely. A bit more likely is crossing paths, when a body in a highly eccentric orbit smacks us upside the planet, a right-angle collision. The velocity there is that of the comet plus the acceleration of the Earth's gravity on it, a complicated sum that depends on the precise details, but likely an impact velocity of ~ 54 km/sec for the Earth. For smaller random bodies, the minimum impact velocity is the velocity gained by falling down the larger body's gravity well, the escape velocity of the planet, if the falling body started at rest at a distance from the planet. But few things are at rest in the solar system. Common objects (like most meteoroids) have terminal velocities of 15 to 25 km/sec, 11.2 km/sec gained from falling to the Earth and the rest is what they approached with. At Mercury, things are likely to be approaching much faster, so velocities, as a statistical matter, are likely higher. The energy of the collision goes up by the square of the velocity, so, yeah, speed counts more than mass. [This is an excursion.] A standard BB weighs 0.12 gram. If it fell in through the Earth's gravitation field, its energy would be 15,053 Joules, or 0.00178 pounds of TNT: the explosion of about a gram of TNT. Hmmm. Let's shoot that BB out a rail gun at 500 km/sec (quite achievable); now it has the impact energy of 14.33 pounds of TNT. Heck, let's boost it up 1% of the speed of light. Impact energy? 2400 TONS of TNT. Just stand off a few billion miles and fire three pound iron balls at a planet at 1% of light speed. 25 Megaton impacts. Call it the Tunguska Cannon. Luckily, gravity wells are natural limiters of speed; go too fast and you're out of here. The other end of the speed problem comes up a lot in modeling giant collisions, like the formation of the Moon by the impact of a Mars-size body on the Earth. It just doesn't work if the two big bodies are moving very fast relative to each other when they smack or even just graze. Escape velocity is way too fast. They have to kiss at only 1 or 2 km/sec or even less. How the heck does that happen? The only way is if the two bodies are in very similar orbits with similar velocities and are perturbed gently into each other. How do you get a Proto-Earth and a Mars Mass (or two) into the same orbit? I would propose that the Proto-Moon was a big Earth-orbit Trojan that was perturbed out of its Lagrangian resonance and drifted along the orbit until we met up with each other. would a 10 cm object hitting Mercury at top velocity not make a larger crater with Mercury's larger velocity? Yes, on average, but there's so much variation in mass and speed circumstances that averages don't mean much. Callisto is not massive nor does it have a high orbital velocity, yet the Valhalla Basin is 4000 km. The impactor was probably pretty good sized! The fact that little Mars has so many big basins suggests multiple big impactors. I listed the biggest hits because impactors follow a statistical distribution of sizes and energies, a power law with a variable coefficient. The size and number of the biggest ones is a good indicator of the size of the impactor population. I would propose that Mars had a bigger impactor population than other planets. (I told you this was a bad neighborhood.) And the saturation (means new craters just destroy old craters) of most cratered surfaces wipes out the fine details of the cratering population, so that all cratering populations look alike after a while. All the airless rocky bodies have more or less the same statistical distributuon of craters. There's always enough rocks to go around. The big basins are the only clues left. As for the three meteorites spotted on Mars, well, any object that makes it safely to the surface of any planet is a lucky bird, a one in 100,000, one in a million, and that phenomenon is really unrelated to the big picture.
[meteorite-list] gravity wells
Luckily, gravity wells are natural limiters of speed; go too fast and you're out of here. Unless you happen to get in the way!! Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] interesting speculation Pacific Basin origin
On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:30:44 -0500, you wrote: Just for fun, before we understood about plate tectonics and thought that land only moved up and down, not back and forth, it was widely believed that the Pacific Ocean was, not an impact feature, but an outpact feature, the place where the Moon spun off the Earth, leaving what would be the largest basin in the Solar System (if it were true, that is). Hadn't heard this before but often considered the break up of Pangea etc., a result of impacts. I don't know just how long people still clung to that possibility (modern plate tektonics theory coming around, IIRC, in 1969) but I remember reading books in the late 70s-early-80s (I was born in 1972) that still had the moon ripped out of the Pacific as a serious theory. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - January 27, 2007
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Spirit Studies Layered Rocks and Wind-Blown Drifts - sol 1085-1090, January 27, 2007: With the rover's third Martian spring just around the corner, Spirit is healthy and has started acquiring movies with the navigation camera in search of dust devils wheeling across the terrain. Spring officially begins on Martian day, or sol 1103 (Feb. 8, 2007). During the past week, Spirit acquired microscopic images of a soil target called Londonderry, which is an active wind drift shaped by the motion of bouncing sand grains. Spirit also acquired super-resolution panoramic camera images of an exposure of layered bedrock with rounded rock fragments known as Zucchelli. Scientists hope the images will reveal information about color, structure, grain size, and mineralogical composition of the rock. Spirit continued to make progress on scientific studies of a rock exposure known as Montalva on the lower stratigraphic unit of an outcrop known as Troll. On the rover's 1,085th sol (Jan. 21, 2007) of exploration, Spirit used the wire brush on the rock abrasion tool to reveal more surface area and enable clean measurements with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. Spirit then backed up to conduct analysis of the newly brushed area. In the coming week, scientists plan to have Spirit retrace its tracks toward a soil exposure known as Tyrone for additional panoramic camera images and miniature thermal emission spectrometer measurements to be taken from a distance of about 10 meters (30 feet). Sol-by-sol summary: In addition to daily observations that included measuring atmospheric dust with the panoramic camera and surveying the sky and ground with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer, Spirit completed the following activities: Sol 1085 (Jan. 21, 2006): Spirit acquired stereo microscopic images of Londonderry, as well as a target known as Contact and used the wire brush on the rock abrasion tool to brush the surface of Montalva. Spirit acquired panoramic camera images of layered rock targets known as Los Estados, Wollaston, and Monte Dinero. Sol 1086: Spirit acquired miniature thermal emission spectrometer data on rock targets called Svea and Maudhem. Spirit acquired navigation camera movies in search of dust devils and acquired panoramic camera images of the Martian horizon and sky. Sol 1087: Spirit stowed the robotic arm and backed up before taking navigation camera images in support of observations to be made with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. Spirit acquired navigation camera images after backing up and acquired panoramic camera images of the drive direction. Sol 1088: Spirit acquired panoramic camera images of the rock target now called Montalva Daisy, in honor of the daisy-like arrangement of circular brushed areas on the rock's surface. The rover acquired data on Montalva Daisy and the background area around the target using the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. The rover surveyed the sky for calibration purposes using the panoramic camera. Sol 1089: Plans called for Spirit to acquire long-baseline stereo images, using the panoramic camera, of the circular, plateau-like feature known as Home Plate in preparation for going back there after having survived the Martian winter. To do this, the rover moves laterally from one point to another between taking images with the left and right eyes of the camera. Plans also called for the rover to take super-resolution panoramic camera images, as well as navigation camera images of the rock target Zucchelli, and to acquire data on Montalva using the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. The rover was also to acquire post-drive images of the terrain using the navigation camera and take thumbnail images of the sky using the panoramic camera. Sol 1090 (Jan. 20, 2007): Plans called for Spirit to use the navigation camera to watch for dust devils and take images in support of investigations with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. The rover was also slated to collect data with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer and complete a survey of rock clasts using the panoramic camera. Odometry: As of sol 1087 (Jan. 23, 2006), Spirit's total odometry was 6,896 meters (4.28 miles). OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Opportunity Hones Reckoning Skills, Tests Computer Smarts - sol 1063-1069, January 27, 2007: After driving around the Bay of Toil onto Cape Desire, a promontory overlooking Victoria Crater, Opportunity began testing various techniques for visually determining the rover's precise location after moving across sandy, somewhat slippery terrain. Because the sandy surface is largely flat and featureless (except for the dropoff into Victoria Crater), the rover's primary reference points are the long rows of repeating ridges and holes in its own tracks. They all look pretty much the same, repeating
[meteorite-list] AD - Update on Nigerian Scams and Classifieds
Hello Everyone, While the list is slow (or really because I finally figured it out) I thought I'd give you an update. Our developer of the classifieds suggested blocking all the IP addresses for Nigeria. I did this but in only slowed down the number but did not stop them completely so I've been working on modifying the php and javascript to block all @yahoo and @hotmail email address from being able to contact you through the classified ads. I think I've finally got it working so as of now, if anyone receives a suspicious email from the classifieds, please contact me off the list. Also... If the classifieds crash on you please let me know that as well :-) Jim and I have a major update coming up on meteorite.com which will make the classifieds much more visible. We have also streamlined the classified categories to make them much easier to use. You also no longer have to register in order to place a free classified ad. Just post away! http://www.meteorite-times.com/classifieds/ Thank you for your patients, Paul __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] interesting speculation Pacific Basin origin
Hi, Jerry, List, The chief theorist about the origin of the Moon was George Darwin (1845-1912, and the son of Charles Darwin). His theory was that the Earth and Moon fissioned under high initial rotation while still molten, the Moon flying off into orbit and taking the angular momentum with it, slowing the rotation of the Earth (which it has and is still doing). The day was shorter in past eras. In the Ordovician (400 mya) there were about 400 days in a year. Two studies of stromatolites show that at 700 mya, the year was 435 days (a 20.1 hour day), and at 850 mya, the year was 450 days (a 19.5 hour day). The rate of change in the length of the day varies because it is regulated by tidal friction which depends on sea depths, coastlines, other changing geological features and a lot of orbital details. But ultimately, for the theory to work, the Moon's orbital velocity at the moment that the Earth and Moon separate has to be the same as the rotation rate of the Earth! The orbital period of a satellite just above the Earth's surface (assuming we had no atmosphere) would be about 89 minutes. If the Earth was turning this fast, the surface rock (or magma) would be weightless, or very nearly. At this point a giant wave or ripple could rise and detach itself from the Earth, pulling up the material from which the Moon would be made. That's the physics of it, but George Darwin was an astronomer as well as a physicist and knew that the actual event would be messier: a lopsided planet with a huge sticky lump on it. The lumpy part above the Earth's surface would be orbiting too fast and would apply a torque that would break the Moon off (leaving the Pacific Ocean basin behind). For almost a century, this was the major theory of the origin of the Moon, its only rival being the notion that the Moon was captured by the Earth's gravity (which is a really hard trick, mathematically, like juggling chains saws... running). Remember, one of the reasons we had the Apollo program was to discover the origin of the Moon. Well, one of the scientific excuses, anyway. And indeed, the moon rocks killed George's theory dead. They were not Earth rocks of any conceivable kind. I vividly recall a long article arguing for the Darwin theory of the Moon's origin in the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society (I was a student member) in the late 1950's. It was full of equations and diagrams and graphs, but it still seemed to me to be haunted by improbability. On the other hand, Harold Jeffrys in 1924 showed, with a refined analysis of the tidal evolution of the Earth and Moon, that the Earth could not be less than 4 billion years old. In 1924, most geologists and physicists thought the Earth was about 1.2 to 1.4 billion years old and it was only 1947 when the first isotope date of 4.5 billion years was measured. The mathematical problem of calculating the change in the rate of change in the length of the day was not fully solved until 1994, so it took 120 years to work out all the details! Here's a fine piece on the history of the problem of the tidal evolution of Earth and Moon on the internet: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moonrec.html or just Google for Recession of the Moon. As for the old Continental Drift and Other Dances, Alfred Wegener gets all the credit for sticking to the idea (even when it killed him, searching in Greenland for evidence), but an American, F. B. Taylor, had published a speculative paper suggesting continental drift in 1910 which, however, had attracted little attention, and neither had previous such suggestions by Humbolt and Fisher. Alfred Wegener (1880-1930) got all the attention (if you want to call it that) for the idea of continental drift. Here's some reviews of his 1912 book proposing it: Utter, damned rot! said the president of the American Philosophical Society. If we are to believe [this] hypothesis, we must forget everything we have learned in the last 70 years and start all over again, said another American scientist. Anyone who valued his reputation for scientific sanity would never dare support such a theory, said a major British geologist. Clearly, it was a winner. Wegener was also a meteorologist. He was the first to describe the process (now called the Wegener-Bergeron- Findeisen procedure) by which most raindrops form. A good read on Wegener: http://pangaea.org/wegener.htm Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] interesting speculation Pacific Basin origin Just for fun, before we understood about plate tectonics and thought that land only moved up and down, not back and forth, it was widely believed that the Pacific Ocean was, not an impact feature, but an outpact feature, the
[meteorite-list] Attn All list members who use yahoo or hotmail exclusively.
Hello Everyone, If you use yahoo or hotmail exclusively please reply to this email and I will figure out a way to add you to an approved list so that your email address will work. I dont' know how to do it yet but I'll start tonight :-) Paul __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Glorieta Meteorites for sale (one appeared on cash and treasures TV show)
Hi all, I have several Glorieta meteorites for sale. One has a hole in it, one appeared (very breifly) on the TV show cash and treasures and one has nice olivine! I found all of these meteorites myself over the past year. I recently aquired another very nice Glorieta specimen and am making room for it. I'll try them first here on the Meteorite list and whatever remains will hit ebay soon. Take a look at some pictures and prices http://new.photos.yahoo.com/meteoritemall/album/576460762387023165#page1 Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Super Simple for Dummies
My kind of Physics. Let the Mathmaticians prove things. Let the story tellers K.I.S.S. 'Here's a fine piece on the history of the problem of the tidal evolution of Earth and Moon on the internet: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moonrec.html or just Google for Recession of the Moon.' Sterling Webb Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Glorieta Meteorites for sale (1 appeared on cash and treasures TV show)
Here is the correct link. http://new.photos.yahoo.com/meteoritemall/album/576460762387492858 Hi all, I have several Glorieta meteorites for sale. One has a hole in it, one appeared (very breifly) on the TV show cash and treasures and one has nice olivine! I found all of these meteorites myself over the past year. I recently aquired another very nice Glorieta specimen and am making room for it. I'll try them first here on the Meteorite list and whatever remains will hit ebay soon. Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] One of my all time heros
ALFRED WEGENER (1880-1930) A good read on Wegener: http://pangaea.org/wegener.htm Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Etching Techniques
As a newbie, both to this list and meteorites, I want to thank everyone. Im on several lists but this one is the most easy-going one. You people have a great community here! I feel compelled to share my recent involvement into meteorites. I have been a metallurgist for one of the largest defense contractors in the US for almost 10 years. I have two hobbies; high power rockets and astronomy. I build 100-pound rockets that go well over 2 miles high, and have built an award-winning 20 f5 telescope. (Are you seeing a theme here?) It was only recently that I realized how blatantly obvious it should have been for me to collect meteorites. (particularly iron meteorites!) So, I bought a Nantan and a Compo meteorite to play with. I have a full metallurgical laboratory at my disposal with everything a meteorite lover could ever dream of. from sectioning equipment, to grinding/polishing equipment, to digital microscopes with bright field/darkfield, polarizers and differential interference contrast prisms. Ive been surfing the web for various etchants but am not having much luck. Ive cut a few sections and etched them using my own etchants used for Fe-Ni alloys, even ones with picric acid and hydrofluoric acid. I just cant get as much contrast as I see pictured on websites. Can some of you help me with some various etching techniques? Drake Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes Drake Doc Dameräu President, NEPRA NAR Section 614 L3CC member TRA 9934 L3 www.nepra.com www.rocketmaterials.org http://home.sprynet.com/~monel/home.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dig Deeply to Seek Life on Mars
Hi, At the risk of sounding off too much, when I read this, only one thought comes to mind: HOGWASH! The defining characteristic of Life is that it adapts to its environment. Whatever lousy environment it gets stuck with, it makes the best of it. There is a micro-organism on Earth called Deinococcus radiodurans which would laugh itself silly at this research. While a dose of 10 Gy is sufficient to kill a human, and a dose of 60 Gy is sufficient to kill all cells in a culture of E. coli, D. radiodurans is capable of withstanding an instantaneous dose of up to 5,000 Gy with no loss of viability, and an instantaneous dose of up to 15,000 Gy with 37% viability. It can ignores the inconveniences of heat, cold, dehydration, vacuum, and acid. It has no trouble eating mercury or heavy metals, even radioactive ones. It can become a nuisance in nuclear reactors because it likes to colonize the core, where all that nice toasty radiation is. It's been suggested that C. radiodurans may be a Martian microbe brought to Earth by a meteorite: http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/pdfplus/10.1089/ast.2006.6.911?cookieSet=1 Further, in experiments carried out years ago to compare the radioresistence of D. radiodurans with common microbes like E. coli, researchers discovered that, while E. coli died off at horrendous rates from radiation as compared with D. radiodurans, IF you kept using the SAME cultures of E. coli for the tests over and over again, the E. crowd gained the ability to endure almost as much radiation as the tough guys. (And 20 years after those experiments ended, those E. coli, retained their radioresistence,) They were evolving the same skill set as D. radiodurans. THAT is what Life does. So I say again, HOGWASH! If D. radiodurans comes from Mars, then the Martians are doing just fine, and if D. radiodurans is Earthly, why then, the Martian microbes (if there are any) can learn to do the same, just like the hapless E. coli who lost their nice warm dungy environment and had to learn to thumb their noses at X-rays. The Martians should get up off their butts and get to evolving! THAT is what Life does. If there is life on Mars, it will not be restricted to living a stodgy protected life in some warm aquifer for 4 billion years and doing nothing else with its existence. There are many Earthly organisms living in cozy protected environmental nooks, complete with flat-screen TV and beer in the fridge, while at the same time there are multitudes of lifeforms living in every conceivable condition: boiling sulfuric springs a half mile down in the ocean, on ice floes in the Arctic, flying in the near stratosphere --- well, there is no niche for Life that is not filled. IF there really were Life on Mars, it would be everywhere. It wouldn't be solely microbial, either. Tough, durable multi-celled creatures abound: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrada If you're not familiar with tardigrades, take a look. They are related to arthropods; there are 1000 species; the largest are almost 2 mm long. They can live for ten years after being freeze-dried. They can survive being heated for a few minutes to 151°C or being chilled for days at -200°C, or for a few minutes at -272°C. (1° warmer than absolute zero). They can withstand 5,700 grays or 570,000 rads of x-ray radiation. (Five grays or 500 rads would be fatal to a human). They can withstand a vacuum and also very high pressures, many times greater than atmospheric pressure. They can almost certainly live for some time in space. Can you do that? Why are Tardigrades tiny on Earth? Their name tells the tale; they're slow walkers. If you can't move fast enough to keep from being eaten, it behooves your grandchildren to stay small, a smart strategy. If they had no natural predators, I have no doubt there would be killer Tardigrades the size of trucks. (Tardigrades eat plants and bacteria, but some are predatory on smaller Tradigrades.) In 1956, there was a series of experiments growing Tardigrades in Mars Jars, closed environments designed to emulate what we then thought Mars was like. The Tardigrades took to the Mars Jars like they were going to Cozumel. Admittedly, our 1956 idea of Mars is a little gentler than the real Mars, but I suspect that Earthly Tardigrades could adapt to the real Mars. (Better not put any on the next probe!) While there is a kind of appeal in the idea of the commonality of low life, microbial, archaic, primitive life being widespread, across the worlds everywhere, an Saganesque appeal to which we are very susceptible, the truth is... That's not the way Life works Let's say the researchers are right about the deep warm aquifer being the ideal spot for Life. Life thrives there. It get crowded. As a result, some poor slobs of a life get pushed out to the very edges of the aquifer where things are far from ideal, the aquiferian slums. What do they do? They adapt. They get good at handling the new
[meteorite-list] Tucson Show 2007 Picture of the Day - January 29, 2007
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[meteorite-list] Video - Tucson 2007
Here's a quick glimpse of the dealers at Tucson. Since you can't be here, I'll introduce you to them... One by one, I'll try to post them. Edwardo of Meteorites.com (12 Meg) http://www.outofabluesky.com/tucson2007/edwardo.avi Hans of Campo Fame (8 meg) http://www.outofabluesky.com/tucson2007/hans.avi His room (12 Meg) http://www.outofabluesky.com/tucson2007/campo.avi -mt Sent via the WebMail system at blackbearddata.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Need help! Meteorite identification
Hi listees, Is there anybody here to be willing to provide me with identification service? If does, Please contact me off-list. Any reply will be deeply appreciated. Regards Miss Ma Lan Beijng, China Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mike Farmer= some guy?
The normaly people here its many take 50.000,00 euro for year, the percentage is at 35.000,00 eurowho take a 500,000$ for year its many many few, only important persons work on finance, banks etc...after persons type Agnelli, Berlusconi, Montezemolo etc... they take at 200milions of euro for year Matteo I am confused, are you saying that no-one in Italy makes more than $500,000 per year? What a craphole! Yes, the financial police are called teh IRS here, and they don't mess with people who make lots of money, they tend to go after people who make nothing. Mike Farmer M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Vinci i biglietti per FIFA World Cup in Germania! yahoo.it/concorso_messenger __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stollen 865g Achondrites
Can you guess whos that X ? i can help He is 60 years old. a Collector ! Best Regards Or better yet, who are you? Whinning is better when you sign your message! Lets see.collector, and 60 years oldthat narrows it down to not me, not Dave Andrews or the two women collectors I know ofmmm now about the other 200 collectors that look 60 years old..nope, not even a guess. Dave F. 53 sryfjnstryj tsyjhdteyjh wrote: Greetings Listees. First,i hope that Mr Rob Elliotte changed his mind, and Matt shutted up. Now,i would not tell whos that man who stole the 865g achondrites,but i can do it if he doesn't do what he should do and pay the poor man ,the real owner of the 865g achondrites. Morrocans started dealing via internet many years ago.some meteorites dealers took that way to get their customers,many of them choosed the option of ship in advance with no payment for buyers.those poor Moroccan lost thousands of dollars because of that option. I heard that a Morocan dealer,had many customers whom have been stolling his money for a long time. that poor man had an agreement about some stones,of course with no payment in advance,it's very easy that a Moroccan to trust a foriegner than a Moroccan person,but not always.unfortunatly this is the way we are. Anyway, X is a collector from US,got the package safe,he didn't agree some stones which he returned them back.but the expensive one(865g achondrites)was not returned back,it was bought for 10400Dhs cash in handsreal deals. X told the Moroccan dealer that the 865g achondrites is a Howardite stone,but didn't pay any sent until now !!!also some stones i don't know how many,but they are stollen too. The Howardite stone was not showed up on Web,i'm sure that the X prefered to keep it for his private Collection or sold it to a friend to him. The howardites,you can get cheaper on Ebay for $35 so 35x865g = $30275 - 20g for the laboratory and the rest when cutting and polishing(lets suppose 200g); $35x865 = $30275 - (200x35) = $23275 - (20x35) = $23275- $700 = $22575 = 180600.00 MAD with that amount you can buy even a fine house in a very nice city in Morocco or a Toyota RAV4 good situation. I have some questions for X : - How did you feel when you got paid on the 865g Achondrites? - Why you stole a Poor man? you are rish you have no needs. - Can you change your mind and pay the poor man? For list members. Can you guess whos that X ? i can help He is 60 years old. a Collector ! Best Regards NB. Stollen Morocco Meteorites could be offered in Tucson Gem Mineral Show.you may pay for stollen Meteorites stone.I advice you to offer very lowe possible prices. - We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Tucson 2007 Picture of the Day - January 26, 2007
No problem, I have some persons in Tucson work for me for seen what is present and give to me the info when return, some good news its been arrive via phone Matteo Don't worry about it Matteo, if you were here in person you could see the piece, then you would know. But since I had like 30 different Europeans in my room today, they saw it, too bad Matteo does not leave Venice and travel a little. Mike Farmer M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Vinci i biglietti per FIFA World Cup in Germania! yahoo.it/concorso_messenger __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stollen 865g Achondrites - Moroccan v. 'merican? Children, children
Mike and Bob, ... spoken like true chauvinists. This Moroccan is not all internet Moroccans, and Mike, you are speaking from the perspective of a retailer who can purchase wholesale. The people that make it possible for you to be profitable may not have the luxury of capital and connections; they have poverty and you have a dollar - and I've seen your prices! All it takes, you think, is your expert comparison of purchased stones to previously classified stones to make promote the lowly unclassified rock to an echelon of profitability. Bob, so, Moroccans can't expect to ever earn as much as we commodity-dealing, marginally educated American non-scientists? They're all the same? What's next - a pogrom? Examine the implications of your careless, crude exclusionary logic. When will you stop ignoring my emails and answer my questions about your NWA 1110 specimens? Did you ever have them examined by someone who may be more competent than yourself? -thaddeus Bob wrote: Mr. sryfjnstryj tsyjhdteyjh, Please spare us the poor Moroccan BS. The last time I purchased multi kilos from a internet Moroccan, more than 30% turned out to be non- meteoritic. Who is really getting ripped off ?? Mike wrote: $35.00 gram for a howardite from Morocco? My friend, I will sell you about 10 KILOGRAMS of them right now for that price, I will get on an airplane and come to Morocco this week and hand deliver them to you if you will pay me that price! Give me a break. Mike Farmer --- sryfjnstryj tsyjhdteyjh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Listees. First,i hope that Mr Rob Elliotte changed his mind, and Matt shutted up. Now,i would not tell whos that man who stole the 865g achondrites,but i can do it if he doesn't do what he should do and pay the poor man ,the real owner of the 865g achondrites. Morrocans started dealing via internet many years ago.some meteorites dealers took that way to get their customers,many of them choosed the option of ship in advance with no payment for buyers.those poor Moroccan lost thousands of dollars because of that option. I heard that a Morocan dealer,had many customers whom have been stolling his money for a long time. that poor man had an agreement about some stones,of course with no payment in advance,it's very easy that a Moroccan to trust a foriegner than a Moroccan person,but not always.unfortunatly this is the way we are. Anyway, X is a collector from US,got the package safe,he didn't agree some stones which he returned them back.but the expensive one(865g achondrites)was not returned back,it was bought for 10400Dhs cash in handsreal deals. X told the Moroccan dealer that the 865g achondrites is a Howardite stone,but didn't pay any sent until now !!!also some stones i don't know how many,but they are stollen too. The Howardite stone was not showed up on Web,i'm sure that the X prefered to keep it for his private Collection or sold it to a friend to him. The howardites,you can get cheaper on Ebay for $35 so 35x865g = $30275 - 20g for the laboratory and the rest when cutting and polishing(lets suppose 200g); $35x865 = $30275 - (200x35) = $23275 - (20x35) = $23275- $700 = $22575 = 180600.00 MAD with that amount you can buy even a fine house in a very nice city in Morocco or a Toyota RAV4 good situation. I have some questions for X : - How did you feel when you got paid on the 865g Achondrites? - Why you stole a Poor man? you are rish you have no needs. - Can you change your mind and pay the poor man? For list members. Can you guess whos that X ? i can help He is 60 years old. a Collector ! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] John Birdsel
Greeting List, John asked me whos the X, i Told him he doesn't need to know.Modestly he asked me to not bring the FACTS up to the list. Is the meteorites_list is for Mr John?is he the owner? - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] John Birdsel
Greeting List, John asked me whos the X, i Told him he doesn't need to know.Modestly he asked me to not bring the FACTS up to the list. Is the meteorites_list is for Mr John?is he the owner? Ok, then don't bring it up again on this list! sryfjnstryj tsyjhdteyjh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you don't need to know. John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. We would like to know who did not pay for the meteorite that he took from you? Thanks - No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Buyer Bewares
Hello Again All, Just a follow up regarding Bouse - a few comparison pictures for you. http://www.strufe.net/Homepage-Verkaufsbilder/NWA869-22,594gr-VS.jpg http://www.alaska.net/~meteor/NWA869.htm The lighting's a tad bright in the first image and the slices done up by Eric Twelker have been cleaned, I know, but have a good look at the nice dark grey matrix with lighter clasts...very NWA 869esque if you've seen any amount of the material. Then have a look at 'Bouse.' http://cgi.ebay.com/New-BOUSE-Meteorite-SLICE-L4-6-chondrite-very-limited_W0QQitemZ230080307115QQihZ013QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Identical? Well, yes. Anyone else have some input - or better pictures? Regards, Jason On 1/28/07, Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, Just a heads up - if you couldn't tell from the description, this one's a scam. _http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-3-229-Grams-Solid-Iron-Meteorite-WOW_W0QQitemZ230084232264QQihZ013QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem _ http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-3-229-Grams-Solid-Iron-Meteorite-WOW_W0QQitemZ230084232264QQihZ013QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem While at the U of Az this summer, I was told a bit of info about this piece, it's visual characteristics, and the hesitance of the owner to get it chemically tested. It looks like a pretty flaky Canyon Diablo in person, and the owner claims to have found it...in its already wire-brushed form ;) I don't know about the crap they said regarding molds that have been put on display - none were. $.30/g for a biggish CD is a bit high for meI think most would agree. Oh - and have a look at what's quite possibly the most expensive Nantan (by weight anyways) to ever hit Ebay... _http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-Stoney-Meteor-Extraterrestrial-Troilite_W0QQitemZ320074247924QQihZ011QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem _ http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-Stoney-Meteor-Extraterrestrial-Troilite_W0QQitemZ320074247924QQihZ011QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem To voice another of my suspicions, does anyone notice a similarity to NWA 869? _http://cgi.ebay.com/New-BOUSE-Meteorite-SLICE-L4-6-chondrite-very-limited_W0QQitemZ230080307115QQihZ013QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem _ http://cgi.ebay.com/New-BOUSE-Meteorite-SLICE-L4-6-chondrite-very-limited_W0QQitemZ230080307115QQihZ013QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Just wondering - after all, the individual that went a few weeks ago on Ebay looked identical to countless beautifully desert varnished individuals of NWA 869 that I've seen in Moroccans' trays - and laying about my desk. The fact that this slice is also visually indistinguishable from 869 makes me somewhat more sure of my suspicions. Mind you, I have no evidence to prove that it isn't a new Arizona find. In my personal opinion, however, if it looks and smells like a particular meteorite, odds are... Well, you know what I mean - always use your noggin with Ebay. Regards, Jason __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone visit the NJO today?
Hello Sterling, All, I've seen many fresh irons, and this does not look like one in the least, save the fact that it's not rusty. It appears to be rough and gouged in many places. Assuming that it's a meteorite, we're either dealing with a late explosive breakup or shrapnel from a crater. There is no evidence for either of these. I said that it wasn't a meteorite before. I stand by that statement. Regards, Jason On 1/28/07, Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'll gladly grant that I do not a huge amount of hands-on experience with irons and have only looked at 40 or 50, but I have to say that the surface of this object has the oddest geometry. I've been staring at the reasonably good photo in the article (URL below). It does not resemble any aerodynamic sculpture I've ever seen. I call on the more expert (and there are lots of you!), does this look meteoritic in its surface features to you? Because I don't want to be a Lazy Listoid that just dumps stuff on others, I went to Google Images for iron meteorite and cruised through the first 600 pictures or so, looking for its like. Didn't see it. Lots of nice irons, but nothing with surface features like this. From what I can gather, Delaney gave it the nickel test (it passed) but was not allowed to cut or window or etch. It seems to have been informally accepted into the Meteorite Club, by the press anyway. If it's real, how did it get these surface features? Anyone have any iron similar in its sculpture? Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone visit the NJO today? http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070128/NEWS03/701280423/1007/OPINION __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ebay Buyer Bewares
Hello All, Just a heads up - if you couldn't tell from the description, this one's a scam. _ http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-3-229-Grams-Solid-Iron-Meteorite-WOW_W0QQitemZ230084232264QQihZ013QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem _ http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-3-229-Grams-Solid-Iron-Meteorite-WOW_W0QQitemZ230084232264QQihZ013QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem While at the U of Az this summer, I was told a bit of info about this piece, it's visual characteristics, and the hesitance of the owner to get it chemically tested. It looks like a pretty flaky Canyon Diablo in person, and the owner claims to have found it...in its already wire-brushed form ;) I don't know about the crap they said regarding molds that have been put on display - none were. $.30/g for a biggish CD is a bit high for meI think most would agree. Oh - and have a look at what's quite possibly the most expensive Nantan (by weight anyways) to ever hit Ebay... _ http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-Stoney-Meteor-Extraterrestrial-Troilite_W0QQitemZ320074247924QQihZ011QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem _ http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-Stoney-Meteor-Extraterrestrial-Troilite_W0QQitemZ320074247924QQihZ011QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem To voice another of my suspicions, does anyone notice a similarity to NWA 869? _ http://cgi.ebay.com/New-BOUSE-Meteorite-SLICE-L4-6-chondrite-very-limited_W0QQitemZ230080307115QQihZ013QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem _ http://cgi.ebay.com/New-BOUSE-Meteorite-SLICE-L4-6-chondrite-very-limited_W0QQitemZ230080307115QQihZ013QQcategoryZ3239QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Just wondering - after all, the individual that went a few weeks ago on Ebay looked identical to countless beautifully desert varnished individuals of NWA 869 that I've seen in Moroccans' trays - and laying about my desk. The fact that this slice is also visually indistinguishable from 869 makes me somewhat more sure of my suspicions. Mind you, I have no evidence to prove that it isn't a new Arizona find. In my personal opinion, however, if it looks and smells like a particular meteorite, odds are... Well, you know what I mean - always use your noggin with Ebay. Regards, Jason __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Did Martian Meteorites Come From These Sources?
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Jan07/MarsRayedCraters.html Did Martian Meteorites Come From These Sources? Planetary Science Research Discoveries January 29, 2007 --- Researchers find large rayed craters on Mars and consider the reasons why they may be launching sites of Martian meteorites. Written by Linda M. V. Martel Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology Large rayed craters on Mars, not immediately obvious in visible light, have been identified in thermal infrared data obtained from the Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) onboard Mars Odyssey. Livio Tornabene (previously at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville and now at the JUniversity of Arizona, Tucson) and colleagues have mapped rayed craters primarily within young (Amazonian vollcanic plains in or near Elysium Planitia. They found that rays consist of numerous chains of secondary craters, their overlapping ejecta, and possibly primary ejecta from the source crater. Their work also suggests rayed craters may have formed preferentially in volatile-rich targets by oblique impacts. The physical details of the rayed craters and the target surfaces combined with current models of Martian meteorite delivery and cosmochemical analyses of Martian meteorites lead Tornabene and coauthors to conclude that these large rayed craters are plausible source regions for Martian meteorites. Reference: * Tornabene, L. L., J. E. Moersch, H. Y. McSween Jr., A. S. McEwen, J. L. Piatek, K. A. Milam, and P. R. Christensen (2006) Identification of large (2-10 km) rayed craters on Mars in THEMIS thermal infrared images: Implications for possible Martian meteorite source regions. Journal of Geophysical Res., v. 111, doi: 10.1029/2005JE002600). Finding What They're Looking For There are currently 34 Martian meteorites identified out of the 24,000+ that have been cataloged. The numbers are growing as a result of ongoing searches primarily in the world's desserts (for example see PSRD article: Searching Antarctic Ice for Meteorites http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Feb02/meteoriteSearch.html). Cosmochemists have determined that these rocks came from basaltic igneous sources with young (by planetary standards) crystallization ages no more than 1.3 billion years (with the one exception: ALH84001 with an age of 4.5 billion years) and were ejected from Mars by impact cratering events between 600,000 and 20 million years ago. While these rocks provide invaluable direct 'ground truth' that scientists are using to help piece together the chemical and geological history of Mars, the question remains where exactly did these rocks come from? Knowing their provenance will add significant details to our understanding of how the planet formed, differentiated, and evolved geologically. One approach to answering the question has been to search orbital multispectral datasets to find volcanic terrains on Mars that match the mineralogy and spectral properties of Martian meteorites. These locales must be sufficiently dust-free to allow spectral analysis of the surface compositions and must also have at least one impact crater of appropriate size and age that could have ejected rocks at greater than Mars' escape velocity of ~ 5 kilometers per second. Previous work by Vicky Hamilton (University of Hawaii) using data from the Mars Global Surveyor Thermal Emission Spectrometer (TES) pointed to Eos Chasma, a branch of the Valles Marineris canyon system, as a possible source for unique Martian meteorite ALH84001. Hamilton's work with Ralph Harvey (Case Western Reserve University) identified Syrtis Major as a possible source region of nakhlite/chassignite meteorites. This is exciting on-going work to find meteorite source regions. Alternatively, an answer to Martian meteorite sources may well come from studies of some uncommon Martian craters that, until just a few years ago, had gone unnoticed. In 2003, using new Mars Odyssey Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) thermal infrared data, Alfred McEwen (University of Arizona) and colleagues reported the first discovery of a rayed crater, Zunil, in the southern Elysium region of Mars. More recently, Livio Tornabene and colleagues have identified an additional four large rayed craters and three more they deem probable. Their detailed observations of the craters combined with the known geochemistry of the meteorites and models of how meteorites are ejected off the planet add up to a compelling story that these rayed craters could have supplied Martian meteorites. Rayed Craters Defined and Located Tornabene and coauthors define a crater ray as filamentous (thread-like) elements in radial to subradial lineaments that spread out from a source crater like spokes from the center of a wheel. A ray contrasts with the surrounding, underlying surface. We are
Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone visit the NJO today?
Hi all: I'm sticking to my original vote. It is indeed a meteorite. If anyone has seen it - it would be really interesting to get their feedback on its appearance More tests would be good; perhaps the owners are hesitant; people get funny when the come across items that could be of great value. Greg Stanley Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very curious indeed. I'm not convinced by a long shot. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb To: ; Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone visit the NJO today? Hi, I'll gladly grant that I do not a huge amount of hands-on experience with irons and have only looked at 40 or 50, but I have to say that the surface of this object has the oddest geometry. I've been staring at the reasonably good photo in the article (URL below). It does not resemble any aerodynamic sculpture I've ever seen. I call on the more expert (and there are lots of you!), does this look meteoritic in its surface features to you? Because I don't want to be a Lazy Listoid that just dumps stuff on others, I went to Google Images for iron meteorite and cruised through the first 600 pictures or so, looking for its like. Didn't see it. Lots of nice irons, but nothing with surface features like this. From what I can gather, Delaney gave it the nickel test (it passed) but was not allowed to cut or window or etch. It seems to have been informally accepted into the Meteorite Club, by the press anyway. If it's real, how did it get these surface features? Anyone have any iron similar in its sculpture? Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison To: Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:53 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone visit the NJO today? http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070128/NEWS03/701280423/1007/OPINION __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone visit the NJO today?
I did. It is very hard to judge from pictures. Now that I looked at it in person, I'm about 75% sure it's space junk and not a meteorite. If anybody wants me to post the picts that I took of the object, I will. Derek. - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison Date: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:53 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Anyone visit the NJO today? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070128/NEWS03/701280423/1007/OPINION __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites Dealer/Collectors
This is a list of Morocco's meteorites Robbers; Greg Hupe=1st Class =VD Mike Farmer/Jim Strope =VD Rob Elliott/=VD Matteo Chinellato/very slim like he doesn't eat food.= 0Value,0 pernonality Mark Bosttik= VD Kenneth Regelman= VD Bob Evans= VD Steve Arnolds/Ilinois=VD Rob Wesel/Oregon =D Roman Jerasek.CA=D Bill,Ilinois =VD Christian Anger =H Mario Goiorani =D Marcin Cimala = Value = Big 0. Steve witt =VD Matt Morgan=VD Bruno Fectay Carine Bidaut/ VD NOT Robbers List.But Honorable guyes I respect Germans,the top class N,Classen. Carsten Giessler Stefan Ralew Andreas Gren I respect Americans, Stan turecki Jason Philips Jack Schrader Thomas H Webb Nelson Oakes Dean Bessey/CA/NZ David Bryant/UK V=very D=dongerous H= Hypocrite More informations soon. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites Dealer/Collectors
Oh my god ! Some of the most prominent names in the BIZ. I guess Greg is the #1 Dongerous Dude. And they noticed that Matteo can pass for an anorexic. Gotta love those Morrocans ! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Dealer/Collectors
Go to Morocco. Get VD. On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:33:17 -0800 (PST), you wrote: This is a list of Morocco's meteorites Robbers; Greg Hupe=1st Class =VD Mike Farmer/Jim Strope =VD Rob Elliott/=VD Matteo Chinellato/very slim like he doesn't eat food.= 0Value,0 pernonality Mark Bosttik= VD Kenneth Regelman= VD Bob Evans= VD Steve Arnolds/Ilinois=VD Rob Wesel/Oregon =D Roman Jerasek.CA=D Bill,Ilinois =VD Christian Anger =H Mario Goiorani =D Marcin Cimala = Value = Big 0. Steve witt =VD Matt Morgan=VD Bruno Fectay Carine Bidaut/ VD NOT Robbers List.But Honorable guyes I respect Germans,the top class N,Classen. Carsten Giessler Stefan Ralew Andreas Gren I respect Americans, Stan turecki Jason Philips Jack Schrader Thomas H Webb Nelson Oakes Dean Bessey/CA/NZ David Bryant/UK V=very D=dongerous H= Hypocrite More informations soon. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-24.6 kg Campo at 35/kg
Just cleaned out my garage and found a pretty nice 24.6 kg Campo. Had it for over a year. Will let it go at 35/kilo. You pay shipping. Images here: http://mhmeteorites.com/images/campo_24-6.JPG http://mhmeteorites.com/images/campo_24-6-2.JPG Thanks, Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Dealer/Collectors
Hey!I'm insulted...I didn't make either list;-) Best, John Gwilliam At 08:59 PM 1/29/2007, Darren Garrison wrote: Go to Morocco. Get VD. On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:33:17 -0800 (PST), you wrote: This is a list of Morocco's meteorites Robbers; Greg Hupe=1st Class =VD Mike Farmer/Jim Strope =VD Rob Elliott/=VD Matteo Chinellato/very slim like he doesn't eat food.= 0Value,0 pernonality Mark Bosttik= VD Kenneth Regelman= VD Bob Evans= VD Steve Arnolds/Ilinois=VD Rob Wesel/Oregon =D Roman Jerasek.CA=D Bill,Ilinois =VD Christian Anger =H Mario Goiorani =D Marcin Cimala = Value = Big 0. Steve witt =VD Matt Morgan=VD Bruno Fectay Carine Bidaut/ VD NOT Robbers List.But Honorable guyes I respect Germans,the top class N,Classen. Carsten Giessler Stefan Ralew Andreas Gren I respect Americans, Stan turecki Jason Philips Jack Schrader Thomas H Webb Nelson Oakes Dean Bessey/CA/NZ David Bryant/UK V=very D=dongerous H= Hypocrite More informations soon. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - January 30, 2007
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Re: [meteorite-list] something in the northwest sky in Hawaii
Weather has been kind of crappy the last couple of days due to quasi-Kona winds, but I personally didn't see it, nor did I hear about anything like this from any of my skywatching friends or acquaintances. Whatever it was was apparently local enough that it wasn't readily visible from non-Oahu locations. The most notable thing for the last couple of days on Maui has been a big brush fire inside Haleakala National Park. It had to be fought using helicopters and aerial buckets, because the area is so isolated there are few if any roads. If you didn't know about the fire, it would be really easy to scare yourself into thinking the volcano was going again. Tracy Latimer From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com (Meteorite Mailing List) Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] something in the northwest sky in Hawaii Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 12:00:43 -0800 (PST) Any listoids in Honolulu area? http://www.khon2.com/home/ticker/5387746.html UFO's seen over South Shore sky By Andrew Pereira KHON2 Fox News (Hawaii) January 27, 2007 _ Invite your Hotmail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp007001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Micrographs on Coast to Coast show web site.
Hi list, The radio show Coast To Coast has a web site. They have some of my NWA 482 Lunar cross polarized light micrographs on their site. Click on the thumb nail and it pulls up 4 images and then click on the word Gallery in the text and it takes you to my Gallery on Meteorite Times. This is the C2C address http://www.coasttocoastam.com/ Real cool! Tom Phillips Let me know what you think. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Dealer/Collectors
Hey Dumbazz. Since most of the meteorites from Morocco actually originate in Algeria, how can these people be guilty of theft? Now STFU. From: meteorites whole sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Dealer/Collectors Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:33:17 -0800 (PST) This is a list of Morocco's meteorites Robbers; Greg Hupe=1st Class =VD Mike Farmer/Jim Strope =VD Rob Elliott/=VD Matteo Chinellato/very slim like he doesn't eat food.= 0Value,0 pernonality Mark Bosttik= VD Kenneth Regelman= VD Bob Evans= VD Steve Arnolds/Ilinois=VD Rob Wesel/Oregon =D Roman Jerasek.CA=D Bill,Ilinois =VD Christian Anger =H Mario Goiorani =D Marcin Cimala = Value = Big 0. Steve witt =VD Matt Morgan=VD Bruno Fectay Carine Bidaut/ VD NOT Robbers List.But Honorable guyes I respect Germans,the top class N,Classen. Carsten Giessler Stefan Ralew Andreas Gren I respect Americans, Stan turecki Jason Philips Jack Schrader Thomas H Webb Nelson Oakes Dean Bessey/CA/NZ David Bryant/UK V=very D=dongerous H= Hypocrite More informations soon. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo buy and sell with people you know http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex001001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites Dealer/Collectors
BWAAA HAAA HAAA HAAA My god, what an idiot! Who is this Moroccan jerk? I have dropped about $600,000 or so in Morocco, so please, explain to us all how this equals theft? OHHH, I did not buy from you? Is that the problem? Now you know why I no longer go to Morocco, they are all losing their minds there. If you are dumb enough to send your money to Morocco to a person you have never met, you are bound to lose all your money sooner or later. Stupid is as stupid does... Michael Farmer --- Howard Steffic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Dumbazz. Since most of the meteorites from Morocco actually originate in Algeria, how can these people be guilty of theft? Now STFU. From: meteorites whole sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Dealer/Collectors Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:33:17 -0800 (PST) This is a list of Morocco's meteorites Robbers; Greg Hupe=1st Class =VD Mike Farmer/Jim Strope =VD Rob Elliott/=VD Matteo Chinellato/very slim like he doesn't eat food.= 0Value,0 pernonality Mark Bosttik= VD Kenneth Regelman= VD Bob Evans= VD Steve Arnolds/Ilinois=VD Rob Wesel/Oregon =D Roman Jerasek.CA=D Bill,Ilinois =VD Christian Anger =H Mario Goiorani =D Marcin Cimala = Value = Big 0. Steve witt =VD Matt Morgan=VD Bruno Fectay Carine Bidaut/ VD NOT Robbers List.But Honorable guyes I respect Germans,the top class N,Classen. Carsten Giessler Stefan Ralew Andreas Gren I respect Americans, Stan turecki Jason Philips Jack Schrader Thomas H Webb Nelson Oakes Dean Bessey/CA/NZ David Bryant/UK V=very D=dongerous H= Hypocrite More informations soon. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo buy and sell with people you know http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex001001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Dealer/Collectors
Who ARE these nit wits??? Michael on 1/29/07 7:33 PM, meteorites whole sale at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a list of Morocco's meteorites Robbers; Greg Hupe=1st Class =VD Mike Farmer/Jim Strope =VD Rob Elliott/=VD Matteo Chinellato/very slim like he doesn't eat food.= 0Value,0 pernonality Mark Bosttik= VD Kenneth Regelman= VD Bob Evans= VD Steve Arnolds/Ilinois=VD Rob Wesel/Oregon =D Roman Jerasek.CA=D Bill,Ilinois =VD Christian Anger =H Mario Goiorani =D Marcin Cimala = Value = Big 0. Steve witt =VD Matt Morgan=VD Bruno Fectay Carine Bidaut/ VD NOT Robbers List.But Honorable guyes I respect Germans,the top class N,Classen. Carsten Giessler Stefan Ralew Andreas Gren I respect Americans, Stan turecki Jason Philips Jack Schrader Thomas H Webb Nelson Oakes Dean Bessey/CA/NZ David Bryant/UK V=very D=dongerous H= Hypocrite More informations soon. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- It is difficult to get a man to understand something if his salary depends on him not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair -- What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It is what we know for sure that just ain't so. - Josh Billings (but oft credited to Mark Twain) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
