Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warningto hunters that may be considering...
What a paranoid person... As if on Expedia.com one finds... Real Affordable Peru (2007) Meteorite Hunt Special - 11 days from only $1795 (plus taxes and fees) ... Free weapons and ammunition. Tanks extra. Llamas available for any activity. Free photo of you with arms around el Presi dente! ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary K. Foote Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:23 AM To: Randall Gregory; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warningto hunters that may be considering... Randall, I would invite people to help out - not turn them away with threats of being arrested. Heck, I'll do that now. If anyone wants to come along on the New Hampshire meteorite hunt please do. We'll post dates and times of when we'll be there so everyone can come along! Come one - come all! Gary On 22 Feb 2007 at 20:56, Randall Gregory wrote: Gary, I was told that hunters would turn the place up-side down. You know some people would, without respect for anything. Do I have to remind you? http://www.azstarnet.com/gemshow01/0202.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1324361.stm http://www.rockhounds.com/tucsonshow/reports/tucson96/snapsh12.shtm http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3418/is_199708/ai_n8179903 http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol277/issue5328/r-samples.dtl http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol277/issue5328/r-samples.dtl http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/9899/Oct21_98/16.htm http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=48724 http://www.meteorite.com/missing_stolen.html Gem show briefs Dealer robbed 2nd year in row Five gemstones worth as much as $130,000 were reported stolen from a dealer at a gem show at the Best Western Executive Inn, 333 W. Drachman St. Owner Alijohn Nourestani was having breakfast on Sunday within view of his display of tourmaline gemstones when five pieces were stolen, he said yesterday The showcase for his business, Nourestan Gems Minerals - The Miners of Fine Tourmaline, was draped with a sheet when the theft took place, police were told. Nourestani, who has homes in Afghanistan and New Mexico, said yesterday that at the same show last year, he had several tourmaline gemstones stolen that were valued at between $8,000 and $10,000. He also had friends who had goods that were stolen, he said. I've been coming to the gem show in Tucson for 17 years, he said. I love Tucson. But we'd like the city to know we have problems. There are gangsters in Tucson. Police described the suspect as a 5-foot-7-inch man, about 165 pounds and wearing a flannel shirt and black pants. Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think so too. A warning like this is sure to gain friends and influence people. lol Gary On 22 Feb 2007 at 18:14, Dave Freeman mjwy wrote: Dear Gary; I kind of thought that maybe he should live a lonely life as his scare tactic would warrent that all meteorite persons would stay away from such a crabby appleton! His crater and the Peruvian government may be his ONLY FRIENDS! df Gary K. Foote wrote: A rather dark post Randall. Gary On 21 Feb 2007 at 18:44, Randall Gregory wrote: Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact Databasethat will give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have been warned that meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down. If anyone wishes to hunt at this site please contact me and we can discuss. Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to understand that I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining concession rights to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It is a routine matter and approval is expected soon. Even with paperwork pending I still have legal rights here in Peru. I am serious about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition until scientists have had the opportunity to study it in detail. Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when it concerns mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me, American jails would be considered luxury resorts compared to South American jails. Your sustenance will consist of beans, potatoes, and rice and maybe a piece of chicken if you're lucky.You might get 1 piece of fruit per week. You will have to drink the local water. Diarrhea will be your constant companion. I guarantee you will have non-stop nightmares all night every night. I know the system and I will make every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are ways to block your attempts to contact the American embassy. There is currently
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Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater (and Pisco)
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[meteorite-list] Peruvian nutjob
What a frigging idiot this jerk is. WOW, thieves stole lots of $. It tends to happen, and outside the meteorite world I might ad. This guy is truly a nutcase. I have seen the photos of his crater. It is not a crater, there are no meteorites, it is all a scam. So don't worry Randall, your crater will remain unplundered by those of us who actually hunt meteorites, and you won't have to send anyone to jail and deprive them of the assistance of their embassy, like criminal or dictator. Michael Farmer --- Charles Viau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a paranoid person... As if on Expedia.com one finds... Real Affordable Peru (2007) Meteorite Hunt Special - 11 days from only $1795 (plus taxes and fees) ... Free weapons and ammunition. Tanks extra. Llamas available for any activity. Free photo of you with arms around el Presi dente! ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary K. Foote Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:23 AM To: Randall Gregory; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warningto hunters that may be considering... Randall, I would invite people to help out - not turn them away with threats of being arrested. Heck, I'll do that now. If anyone wants to come along on the New Hampshire meteorite hunt please do. We'll post dates and times of when we'll be there so everyone can come along! Come one - come all! Gary On 22 Feb 2007 at 20:56, Randall Gregory wrote: Gary, I was told that hunters would turn the place up-side down. You know some people would, without respect for anything. Do I have to remind you? http://www.azstarnet.com/gemshow01/0202.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1324361.stm http://www.rockhounds.com/tucsonshow/reports/tucson96/snapsh12.shtm http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3418/is_199708/ai_n8179903 http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol277/issue5328/r-samples.dtl http://www.sciencemag.org/content/vol277/issue5328/r-samples.dtl http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/9899/Oct21_98/16.htm http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=48724 http://www.meteorite.com/missing_stolen.html Gem show briefs Dealer robbed 2nd year in row Five gemstones worth as much as $130,000 were reported stolen from a dealer at a gem show at the Best Western Executive Inn, 333 W. Drachman St. Owner Alijohn Nourestani was having breakfast on Sunday within view of his display of tourmaline gemstones when five pieces were stolen, he said yesterday The showcase for his business, Nourestan Gems Minerals - The Miners of Fine Tourmaline, was draped with a sheet when the theft took place, police were told. Nourestani, who has homes in Afghanistan and New Mexico, said yesterday that at the same show last year, he had several tourmaline gemstones stolen that were valued at between $8,000 and $10,000. He also had friends who had goods that were stolen, he said. I've been coming to the gem show in Tucson for 17 years, he said. I love Tucson. But we'd like the city to know we have problems. There are gangsters in Tucson. Police described the suspect as a 5-foot-7-inch man, about 165 pounds and wearing a flannel shirt and black pants. Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think so too. A warning like this is sure to gain friends and influence people. lol Gary On 22 Feb 2007 at 18:14, Dave Freeman mjwy wrote: Dear Gary; I kind of thought that maybe he should live a lonely life as his scare tactic would warrent that all meteorite persons would stay away from such a crabby appleton! His crater and the Peruvian government may be his ONLY FRIENDS! df Gary K. Foote wrote: A rather dark post Randall. Gary On 21 Feb 2007 at 18:44, Randall Gregory wrote: Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact Databasethat will give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have been warned that meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down. If anyone wishes to hunt at this site please contact me and we can discuss. Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to understand that I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining concession rights to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It is a routine matter and approval is expected soon. Even with paperwork pending I still have legal rights here in Peru. I am serious about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition until scientists have had the opportunity to study it in detail. Peruvian law
[meteorite-list] Cold find
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Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters that may be considering...
WOW , you seem to be off the deep end. There are robbers, thieves, and criminals all around the world. You act like it exists in the meteorite world only. Give me a break. If you are so worried about your stupid crater why in the heck are you posting about it here? You sound like a crazy old coot that has a gold bar buried in his backyard and sit in a chair with a shotgun waiting for the hoards of people coming to rob you. Nuff said, it was just over the top and quite offensive actually. Michael Farmer --- Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike, Relax... Chill... Post was not intended for nice guys. Have me kidnapped and killed? I over-reacted a bit to the jail part. I was advised by an expert that, and I quote Meteorite hunters will want to turn that site up-side down And probaby a touch of paranoia set in. I sincerly apologize if anyone was offended. In acutality, I wouldn't prosecute but I've spent too much of my life, too much money, and too much effort not to want to protect this crater. Hunters from Paraguay and Cuba have already tried to find the crater. Anyone with a legimate interest is more than welcome to visit. You'd have the time of your life. Guaranteed. We all have fences, locks, alarms, dogs, and other security measures to protect our propery and loved ones. We have the police ready to respond to our calls at a moments notice. I don't have that kind of protection, just the watchful eyes of my friends in Aplao and Castillo. Many landmarks like the Lines of Nazca have already been severely damaged by tresspassers. A well-known and well-respected meteorite dealer went to the National Museum of Brazil and stole a very valuable meteorite that was considered a national treasure. He was arrested at the airport with the meteorite in his luggage. How many dealers have been robbed in Tucson? You know what kind of world we live in. You know the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. I served in Vietnam. I've seen a policeman shot, less than 10 feet from me during a robbery attempt. He laid in the street while everyone stood there. I went to his side and tried to staunch the flow of blood, all the time yelling Call an Ambulance in my broken Spanish. Right outside my window I witnessed a hit and run accident. Maybe you've never been robbed or experienced things of this nature. If you haven't, I hope and pray you never do. Randall Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WOW, Nice guy you are! I am already in Peru, stealing your stones! Buddy, I will call the KGB and have you kidnapped and killed! Mike Farmer --- Randall Gregory wrote: Information is expected to be released in April on the Earth Impact Database that will give the exact coordinates to the Peruvian meteorite crater. I have been warned that meteorite hunters will want to turn this site upside down. If anyone wishes to hunt at this site please contact me and we can discuss. Should anyone think about hunting without contacting me. I want you to understand that I have paperwork filing with the Peruvian government giving me mining concession rights to the crater and 100 sq. hectares surrounding the crater. It is a routine matter and approval is expected soon. Even with paperwork pending I still have legal rights here in Peru. I am serious about wanting to keep this crater in pristine condition until scientists have had the opportunity to study it in detail. Peruvian law has very strict laws concerning trespassing, especially when it concerns mines. I will not hesitate to prosecute and trust me, American jails would be considered luxury resorts compared to South American jails. Your sustenance will consist of beans, potatoes, and rice and maybe a piece of chicken if you're lucky. You might get 1 piece of fruit per week. You will have to drink the local water. Diarrhea will be your constant companion. I guarantee you will have non-stop nightmares all night every night. I know the system and I will make every attempt to lengthen your stay. There are ways to block your attempts to contact the American embassy. There is currently a standing reward for reporting to the police, any meteorite hunter that may wander into this area. The reward is equivalent to 6 months income for most of the poor people of this area. They are now watchful and vigilant. The towns of Aplao and Castillo are small. Everybody knows everybody and I have many friends in each. All relevant police agencies have been notified by my Peruvian attorney. My advice, don't even think about it. Alternatively, if you want to hunt at the crater, I am open to discussion, but only after scientific studies have been completed. Randall - Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.
[meteorite-list] Hambleton Pallasite - reprise
Folks ...just an observation a couple of weeks ago I mentioned a very significant find in the UK by Rob Elliott re the Hambleton Pallasite - d'you know I had 2, maybe 3 emails on the subject? One to diss it and the other to buy some. No thread, no discussion, nada, bupkiss,nowt... You guys have been going on about Holbrook as if it was the most important thing in the world and also on and on about this speculative Peru fall - isn t this all a bit parochial? Is the Hambleton pallasite really that boring? Maybe you all know about it already and I'm just slow to get on the boat - that is quite possible too. We seem to get stuck in a rut and go on and on and on about it - and important finds, if they occur outside the US are of no interest whatsoever unless someone can get to the location and make a buck out of it. Are you really not interested in what is probably the most important meteorite find/fall in the UK by one of the world's top dealers? Seems this list is only interested if it anything to do with a USA fall/find - even if it is a common place L6. That is my perspective and opinion - and possibly incorrect - but I have seen days and days of stuff on Holbrook, Venus meteorites and so on. Sorry if this seems a bit of a rant, it's not meant to be, just an observation, but from here in little itty-bitty UK (51st state of America), I am surprised that no one had any real questions regarding this fantastic find. Thanks for your attention - please refrain from flaming me! ciao! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cold find
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Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian nutjob
It looks more like a volcanic cone instead of a crater to me. Gary On 24 Feb 2007 at 8:52, Michael Farmer wrote: What a frigging idiot this jerk is. WOW, thieves stole lots of $. It tends to happen, and outside the meteorite world I might ad. This guy is truly a nutcase. I have seen the photos of his crater. It is not a crater, there are no meteorites, it is all a scam. So don't worry Randall, your crater will remain unplundered by those of us who actually hunt meteorites, and you won't have to send anyone to jail and deprive them of the assistance of their embassy, like criminal or dictator. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hambleton Pallasite - reprise
Dave, You're right. Somehow I missed the post about this pallasite. Maybe because of all the other 'stuff' the list generates. Would you mind reposting the info to me? I'm definitely interested here in itty bitty NH - another tiny US state :) Gary On 24 Feb 2007 at 17:22, Dave Harris wrote: Folks ...just an observation a couple of weeks ago I mentioned a very significant find in the UK by Rob Elliott re the Hambleton Pallasite - d'you know I had 2, maybe 3 emails on the subject? One to diss it and the other to buy some. No thread, no discussion, nada, bupkiss,nowt... You guys have been going on about Holbrook as if it was the most important thing in the world and also on and on about this speculative Peru fall - isn t this all a bit parochial? Is the Hambleton pallasite really that boring? Maybe you all know about it already and I'm just slow to get on the boat - that is quite possible too. We seem to get stuck in a rut and go on and on and on about it - and important finds, if they occur outside the US are of no interest whatsoever unless someone can get to the location and make a buck out of it. Are you really not interested in what is probably the most important meteorite find/fall in the UK by one of the world's top dealers? Seems this list is only interested if it anything to do with a USA fall/find - even if it is a common place L6. That is my perspective and opinion - and possibly incorrect - but I have seen days and days of stuff on Holbrook, Venus meteorites and so on. Sorry if this seems a bit of a rant, it's not meant to be, just an observation, but from here in little itty-bitty UK (51st state of America), I am surprised that no one had any real questions regarding this fantastic find. Thanks for your attention - please refrain from flaming me! ciao! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cold find
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=160063023682 Excellent! Our friend Mark Bostick gave me one of these as a present, and it went straight into my meteorite toys collection. Yes, I have a meteorite toys collection. I know it's weird, but the kids love it. Oh wait, I don't have any kids. Well, I have absolutely no excuse then: ) Thanks again Mark! Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hambleton Pallasite - reprise
I can just visualize cans of haggus on the shelves of Kroger...sigh...McHaggus, home of the golden entrails - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hambleton Pallasite - reprise Dave, You're right. Somehow I missed the post about this pallasite. Maybe because of all the other 'stuff' the list generates. Would you mind reposting the info to me? I'm definitely interested here in itty bitty NH - another tiny US state :) Gary On 24 Feb 2007 at 17:22, Dave Harris wrote: Folks ...just an observation a couple of weeks ago I mentioned a very significant find in the UK by Rob Elliott re the Hambleton Pallasite - d'you know I had 2, maybe 3 emails on the subject? One to diss it and the other to buy some. No thread, no discussion, nada, bupkiss,nowt... You guys have been going on about Holbrook as if it was the most important thing in the world and also on and on about this speculative Peru fall - isn t this all a bit parochial? Is the Hambleton pallasite really that boring? Maybe you all know about it already and I'm just slow to get on the boat - that is quite possible too. We seem to get stuck in a rut and go on and on and on about it - and important finds, if they occur outside the US are of no interest whatsoever unless someone can get to the location and make a buck out of it. Are you really not interested in what is probably the most important meteorite find/fall in the UK by one of the world's top dealers? Seems this list is only interested if it anything to do with a USA fall/find - even if it is a common place L6. That is my perspective and opinion - and possibly incorrect - but I have seen days and days of stuff on Holbrook, Venus meteorites and so on. Sorry if this seems a bit of a rant, it's not meant to be, just an observation, but from here in little itty-bitty UK (51st state of America), I am surprised that no one had any real questions regarding this fantastic find. Thanks for your attention - please refrain from flaming me! ciao! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hambleton Pallasite - reprise
Yep only 5 emails about that sensational find in the archives -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Dave Harris Gesendet: Samstag, 24. Februar 2007 18:22 An: metlist Betreff: [meteorite-list] Hambleton Pallasite - reprise Folks ...just an observation a couple of weeks ago I mentioned a very significant find in the UK by Rob Elliott re the Hambleton Pallasite - d'you know I had 2, maybe 3 emails on the subject? One to diss it and the other to buy some. No thread, no discussion, nada, bupkiss,nowt... You guys have been going on about Holbrook as if it was the most important thing in the world and also on and on about this speculative Peru fall - isn t this all a bit parochial? Is the Hambleton pallasite really that boring? Maybe you all know about it already and I'm just slow to get on the boat - that is quite possible too. We seem to get stuck in a rut and go on and on and on about it - and important finds, if they occur outside the US are of no interest whatsoever unless someone can get to the location and make a buck out of it. Are you really not interested in what is probably the most important meteorite find/fall in the UK by one of the world's top dealers? Seems this list is only interested if it anything to do with a USA fall/find - even if it is a common place L6. That is my perspective and opinion - and possibly incorrect - but I have seen days and days of stuff on Holbrook, Venus meteorites and so on. Sorry if this seems a bit of a rant, it's not meant to be, just an observation, but from here in little itty-bitty UK (51st state of America), I am surprised that no one had any real questions regarding this fantastic find. Thanks for your attention - please refrain from flaming me! ciao! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cold find
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:43:59 -0700, you wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=160063023682 Excellent! Our friend Mark Bostick gave me one of these as a present, and it went straight into my meteorite toys collection. Yes, I have a meteorite toys collection. I know it's weird, but the kids love it. Oh wait, I don't have any kids. Well, I have absolutely no excuse then: ) There are also these-- each comes with a tektite: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140087559096 http://www.flyingsaucers.com/gifts.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hambleton Pallasite
Dave Harris posted: You guys have been going on about Holbrook as if it was the most important thing in the world and also on and on about this speculative Peru fall - isn't this all a bit parochial? Is the Hambleton pallasite really that boring? Maybe you all know about it already and I'm just slow to get on the boat - that is quite possible too. Dear Dave: I think it's probably more that Rob's pallasite was discovered in August of 2005, so we all already know about it. There are also numerous photos of Rob's great find on his website. Many, many List members have hunted at Holbrook -- it's something of a ritual before and after the Tucson show. So, a big find there is something that a lot of us who have traipsed the soggy red dunes, picking up weathered crumbs and micro-individuals can relate to personally. And the Peru thing . . . well that's just damn entertaining : ) Respectfully, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian nutjob
I think it looks more like a erosion form, but then maybe we got different pictures. I got 09180026.jpg and 09180031.jpg. The first looks like a collapsed wall of a canyon complete with traces where water has drained off in a small ditch. The second shows a canyon in a mountainous area with only natural erosion and no crater as I could see. /Göran Gary K. Foote wrote: It looks more like a volcanic cone instead of a crater to me. Gary On 24 Feb 2007 at 8:52, Michael Farmer wrote: What a frigging idiot this jerk is. WOW, thieves stole lots of $. It tends to happen, and outside the meteorite world I might ad. This guy is truly a nutcase. I have seen the photos of his crater. It is not a crater, there are no meteorites, it is all a scam. So don't worry Randall, your crater will remain unplundered by those of us who actually hunt meteorites, and you won't have to send anyone to jail and deprive them of the assistance of their embassy, like criminal or dictator. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hambleton Pallasite - reprise
Dave: I am surprised that no one had any real questions regarding this fantastic find. Martin: Yep only 5 emails about that sensational find in the archives Gary: Dave, You're right. Hello All, As for myself, I don't quite agree for at least two reasons: 1) I knew about Hambleton as early as Sunday, April 09, 2006 but was kindly asked by Rob not to talk about it (yet). He wrote: Robert Hutchison has even come out of retirement to work on it. I'm not ready to release this publicly yet, but I thought you'd be interested to hear about it. 2) Discussing new or not so new falls/finds usually starts on this list as soon as list members have been able to acquire specimens they can look at, fondle, touch and talk about. The few (reatively large) specimens offered for sale were far beyond the budget of most among us, I guess. Best Saturday wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hambleton Pallasite
I thought that Hambleton was old news? I remember reading Robs great story on his site last year and even trying to buy some in November. Has there been more Hambleton found or something I dont know about? Kind regards, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed
In my never ending quest of hammers and information re same, I have come across this puppy a couple of times: Dec. 8, 1929 YugoslaviaMeteor hits bridal party, killed 1 Note that no name is provided for this fall. It is, of course, not on the Walter Branch Hits page. Any info anyone can provide me will be appreciated. Thanks, Michael -- You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses. - Ziggy - in a comic strip by Tom Wilson -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian nutjob
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Good One. This is the best one that I have herd since the pellisons reported that they see terrorists behind every rock and on the other side of their shot glasses. I was going to respond to this a couple days ago but well, its hard to type when you cant stop laughing at the stupidy and nievity of the posting. Do you ever try and study up on something and think a little before putting mouth in gear? This is all to funny. Trying to make people believe that american legal standards work in Peru. You have a piece of paper with something written on it. Do you know what a contract is worth in peru? I can assure you its worth less than in morocco where people dont bother getting contracts for deals worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. The value of your contract is certainly worth less than the 100 sole banknote that you hand the cop in charge of enforcing (Or turning a blind eye) the protection of your bomb crater. Do you know that in peru the police (excluding the tourist police), immigration and customs officials make mexicos traffic police seem like honest respectable law enforcement people (And theres an oxymoron for you - mexican traffic police and honest in the same sentence)? In Peru if you want to buy looted artifacts you go to the police, government and immigration officials (Better have some good connections first before you try that though). Let me ask yo this? Did you pay the police before you got your document? Police in peru wont take a statement from you without payment first. In Egypt they call it Backish. In Peru they dont try and sugar coat the fact. You should know before you search your crater that this is not kansas anymore. And here is something even funnier than thinking peru is an american state with enforcable american laws. I have already beaten you to the crater. About two or three years ago when the meteorites were being paraded through Peru's media (And obviously not meteorites even from th epictures) a couple of my friends went there looking anyway even though I told them it was a waste of time (Its easy to get to). But peruvian scientists declared the basalt to be meteorites. But you have to remember peru is a place where scientists and the government are all for the destruction of cultural artifacts in the name of keeping them out of collectors hands and this wholesale destruction has the full support of UNESCO. For example all around lima the shantytowns are built over old graveyards and sewage is totally destroying the items buried underneath. However, Peruvian law is such that if you dig a hole in your own backyard and salvage the artifacts that will be destroyed completely with sewagage in 10 years time you will get arrested and put in jail. Pre columbian graveyards all contain gold by the ton but the gold artifacts are all melted down into bars (Once melted down pre colombian gold artifacts are then legal to export). This with the full support and knowledge of the peruvian government and UNESCO. Make no wonder the really smart peruvian government scientists declared them meteorites. But you know what. The police in Peru are only interested in things of value. Since there is nothing of value (Except old scraptnel which could be sold as scarap metal I guess) in or around your crater and you have a legal document to protect it well maybe the police will enforce your legal title. You have the legalities to protcet your crater all in place. I would write more but this is just to funny. Sincerely DEAN PS: For people who want to know what this is the crater is an old bomb crater and the meteorites are either scraptnel or volcanic basalt - something you would think somebody from peru would know - even without university training. I had saved some of the online news reports of the meteorite crater that was in peru's media a couple years ago but unfortunately I seem to have deleted the links. Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian nutjob
I have been to peru maybe 20 times or more. I love the place and have a lot of friends there. And as somebody said yesterday on this list I can attest that the pisco sour is the worlds best drink (Worth going to peru just to drink it). Most of the time I go to arequipa where most of my peruvian friends live (And near where your crater is located). I used to pay people to grow black alpacas for me so that I could get rugs and teddy bears made out of black alpacas (Black is hard to get and I had to get them bred for me). I have exported many thousands of alpaca handicraft items which I sold on ebay and had customs made for me (When I lived in Canada I used to supply many alpaca farms in north america with teddy bears which I could supply cheaper than they could make them themselves from breeding the alpacas themselves). I also used to buy large amounts of minerals like peruvian opal which I bought hundreds of kilos at at time. Most of my friends in peru are in the tourist industry so I have lots of connections. You are right that most peruvians are honest - but the police are not. I can also tell the difference between volcanic basalt and meteorites. Your two links that you showed us shows a lot of cute maps and pictures of people but like the martian frass nutcase you dont show any actual meteorites (or even bomb craters for that matter). Unfortunately I stopped going to peru a couple years ago when I got married so no longer import the minerals and alpaca products. So yes, I am very familiar with the workings of Peruvian customs, police, immigration officials ect and not just making up stories. I know what I am talking about here when it comes to peru. As I said, I know in detail how life works in peru (And as I said earlier you should be aware yourself before you go that its not like kansas anymore - look at a map. Peru is outside the US borders and outside US laws). Cheers DEAN And as per my earlier email I already had your crater searched. I beat you to it. There are no meteorites --- Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean, How much time have you actually spent in Peru? Most of the people in Peru are good and honest people. Some police accept bribes. True. This is a poor country but many people are not as corrupt as you make them out to be. You paint a very dark picture of a country filled with good people. Laugh on... I'll provide the links you're missing. www.geocities.com/astroycpa/meteoritoaqp2feb2004.html http://www.graphicmail.de/rwcode/default.asp?SiteID=3691Section=13234 More can be found using the Google search terms- Meteorito Aplao or Meteorite Aplao Randall dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHA. Good One. This is the best one that I have herd since the pellisons reported that they see terrorists behind every rock and on the other side of their shot glasses. I was going to respond to this a couple days ago but well, its hard to type when you cant stop laughing at the stupidy and nievity of the posting. Do you ever try and study up on something and think a little before putting mouth in gear? This is all to funny. Trying to make people believe that american legal standards work in Peru. You have a piece of paper with something written on it. Do you know what a contract is worth in peru? I can assure you its worth less than in morocco where people dont bother getting contracts for deals worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. The value of your contract is certainly worth less than the 100 sole banknote that you hand the cop in charge of enforcing (Or turning a blind eye) the protection of your bomb crater. Do you know that in peru the police (excluding the tourist police), immigration and customs officials make mexicos traffic police seem like honest respectable law enforcement people (And theres an oxymoron for you - mexican traffic police and honest in the same sentence)? In Peru if you want to buy looted artifacts you go to the police, government and immigration officials (Better have some good connections first before you try that though). Let me ask yo this? Did you pay the police before you got your document? Police in peru wont take a statement from you without payment first. In Egypt they call it Backish. In Peru they dont try and sugar coat the fact. You should know before you search your crater that this is not kansas anymore. And here is something even funnier than thinking peru is an american state with enforcable american laws. I have already beaten you to the crater. About two or three years ago when the meteorites were being paraded through Peru's media (And obviously not meteorites even from th epictures) a couple of my friends went there looking anyway even though I told them it was a waste of time (Its easy to get to). But peruvian scientists declared the basalt to be meteorites. But you have to remember peru is a place
Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed
Hi, Michael, The source is a newspaper: New York Times (published in New York, New York, USA) Date (of report in NYT): December 8, 1929 Date of Incident: Not Specified Location: Zvezvan, Yugoslavia Details: A meteortite struck a wedding party in Zvezvan, killing one person. I think that little newspaper is still in business; maybe they kept some of their old papers in the basement; who knows? You could check. :-) Reported in the book Rain Of Iron and Ice by John S. Lewis, 1996, in a table of hundreds of Property Damage, Injuries, and Deaths Caused by Meteorite Falls, found on pp. 176-182. The Hammer List Deluxe... Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed In my never ending quest of hammers and information re same, I have come across this puppy a couple of times: Dec. 8, 1929 YugoslaviaMeteor hits bridal party, killed 1 Note that no name is provided for this fall. It is, of course, not on the Walter Branch Hits page. Any info anyone can provide me will be appreciated. Thanks, Michael -- You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses. - Ziggy - in a comic strip by Tom Wilson -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - Saturday, February 24, 2007
I, for one NEVER tire of these SA photos. One more facinating the the previous. So dramatic an event in our own time, recorded magnificently and represented with such seductive vividness. And of course its abundance and durability makes it a collector's dream. All Hail Sikhote-Alin and its many owners for sharing and of course, Mike for reliably providing a venue we all look forward to each day. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 5:07 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - Saturday,February 24, 2007 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/February_24.html BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian nutjob - NEWSPAPER ARTICLE
I found the newspaper clipping but unfortunately it seems that the online paper (http://www.larepublica.com.pe/) has taken down the link so I no longer have the photos of the bomb crater and volcanic basalt meteorites. All I have is the email that my friend sent to me with the forwarded text. But on or about Feb 5th, 2004 it has this article below: Bola de fuego cae en cerro de Arequipa _ Por GESSLER OJEDA Arequipa.- Los pobladores Científico Martín Fernández muestra fragmentos de un meteorito. vieron una enorme bola de fuego que se abrió paso por una espesa y oscura masa de nubes en el sector de El Castillo, distrito de Aplao, provincia de Castilla. El extraño objeto se precipitó a gran velocidad e impactó en un lejano cerro causando un potente estruendo y el terror de los pobladores. Se sintió un remezón. Era como un terremoto, dijeron los lugareños cuando se presentaron en la comisaría de Aplao, capital de la provincia, para reportar el extraño fenómeno. Otros llamaron al Instituto Geofísico de la Universidad Nacional de San Agustín (Unsa) para indagar más sobre el hecho que ocurrió el pasado lunes a las 12:30 horas. El Instituto Geofísico informó que no pueden afirmar ni descartar que se trate de un meteorito, pero aceptan que la ivestigación se maneja en ese sentido. Los datos del Departamento Científico de la Unsa no se contradicen con las versiones que llegaron desde Aplao. No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed
Michael, forgive me if this has been asked and answered but has there been any corroboration of the relatively recent report of NOMADS being struck and killed. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed In my never ending quest of hammers and information re same, I have come across this puppy a couple of times: Dec. 8, 1929 YugoslaviaMeteor hits bridal party, killed 1 Note that no name is provided for this fall. It is, of course, not on the Walter Branch Hits page. Any info anyone can provide me will be appreciated. Thanks, Michael -- You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses. - Ziggy - in a comic strip by Tom Wilson -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to h unters that may be considering...
Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite crater - friendly warning to hunters that may be considering... Michael Farmer Sat, 24 Feb 2007 09:00:17 -0800 WOW , you seem to be off the deep end. There are robbers, thieves, and criminals all around the world. You act like it exists in the meteorite world only. Give me a break. If you are so worried about your stupid crater why in the heck are you posting about it here? You sound like a crazy old coot that has a gold bar buried in his backyard and sit in a chair with a shotgun waiting for the hoards of people coming to rob you. Nuff said, it was just over the top and quite offensive actually. Michael Farmer Michael, I would not worry, or give much mind regarding Larry's so called Friendly warning. Few if any of us would venture down there. However, in light of new SA meteorite hunters... If it is a meteorite crater and there are meteorites to be found, it won't be too long before they appear on eBay (which I hate). After all, what has stopped the Meteor Crater poachers that do the same? I can just see it now. Once the word gets out, South Americans will swarm over the place day and night. Soon, despite Larry's Friendly warning his meteorites will appear for all to see and bid on. What me worry (Quote from Mad Magazine) Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] zacataces
Hi list.I just wanted to share with you all my soon to be new iron to my collection.A 390 gram slice of ZACATACES,MEXICO.Another pic will follow later,but for now this can be seen on my website under my iron page.Let me know what you think and please sign my guest book. steve Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] zacataces
ZACATACES.Let me know what you think I think you misspelled it. _ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: BIG Huckitta PAL Part Slice 1,105.0 g
G'Day Folks, just thought I should show you this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=015sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITviewitem=item=250087843241rd=1rd=1 Even though it's 'just shale', you hardly find one this size and beauty. Enjoy, and thanks for looking! Best regards from Down-Under, Norbert Kammel IMCA # 3420 www.rocksonfire.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] more on Info needed
Hi Sterling, Do you know if there is a name for this fall? (Is it Zvezvan? Thanks, again, Michael on 2/24/07 12:16 PM, Sterling K. Webb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Michael, The source is a newspaper: New York Times (published in New York, New York, USA) Date (of report in NYT): December 8, 1929 Date of Incident: Not Specified Location: Zvezvan, Yugoslavia Details: A meteortite struck a wedding party in Zvezvan, killing one person. I think that little newspaper is still in business; maybe they kept some of their old papers in the basement; who knows? You could check. :-) Reported in the book Rain Of Iron and Ice by John S. Lewis, 1996, in a table of hundreds of Property Damage, Injuries, and Deaths Caused by Meteorite Falls, found on pp. 176-182. The Hammer List Deluxe... Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed In my never ending quest of hammers and information re same, I have come across this puppy a couple of times: Dec. 8, 1929 YugoslaviaMeteor hits bridal party, killed 1 Note that no name is provided for this fall. It is, of course, not on the Walter Branch Hits page. Any info anyone can provide me will be appreciated. Thanks, Michael -- You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses. - Ziggy - in a comic strip by Tom Wilson -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses. - Ziggy - in a comic strip by Tom Wilson -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I don't think congratulations are in order.....
Hi Randall, Your diatribe about Peruvian jails and such was very un-cool. This is supposed to be a friendly list aimed at helping fellow meteorite hunters and collectors. Threatening to have members of the meteorite community thrown in jail is not in the spirit of this list as I understand it. You are now in the company of Steve Arnold #2 (not the real Kansas meteorite hunter Steve Arnold) as the only 2 people on my email blocking list. Your future diatribes will go straight into the trash. If you are so concerned about keeping your impact crater to yourself, why are you posting all your communications here on the list? Regards, Pat Brown __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed
I heard of a Kossak being knocked off his horse... (unsubstantiated, of course). Don't know about nomads... Michael on 2/24/07 12:25 PM, Gerald Flaherty at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, forgive me if this has been asked and answered but has there been any corroboration of the relatively recent report of NOMADS being struck and killed. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Info needed In my never ending quest of hammers and information re same, I have come across this puppy a couple of times: Dec. 8, 1929 YugoslaviaMeteor hits bridal party, killed 1 Note that no name is provided for this fall. It is, of course, not on the Walter Branch Hits page. Any info anyone can provide me will be appreciated. Thanks, Michael -- You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses. - Ziggy - in a comic strip by Tom Wilson -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses. - Ziggy - in a comic strip by Tom Wilson -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: zacataces
Hi Chicagoan Steve Arnold, I think that might be a namewrong for a meteorwrong, or some pong... :) Perhaps you mean ZACATECAS? José Campos - Original Message - From: steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:44 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] zacataces Hi list.I just wanted to share with you all my soon to be new iron to my collection.A 390 gram slice of ZACATACES,MEXICO.Another pic will follow later,but for now this can be seen on my website under my iron page.Let me know what you think and please sign my guest book. steve Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Polujamki/Markovka pairing: second try
Thaddeus - Why not go out and try to find some more pieces? good hunting, Ed --- Mr EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There isn't enough information to reach a conclusion. The original masses and how they were assembled prior to fragmentation are missing values and presently beyond valid modeling. However, interesting observation. Eman --- Thaddeus Besedin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polujamki and Markovka fell within kilometers of each other and share all macroscopic petrographic features except for two striking differences: Polujamki, in photos I have found and in my specimen, seems to have, almost without exception, a much higher frequency of 3mm pools of coalesced Fe-Ni, as well as relatively more extensive shock veining/brecciation. Is this simply an observation made from a specific paired stone that became available recently? Can the amount of elemental metal dissemination in the original meteoroidal body have been bimodally segregated due to localized shock, contributing to the differences in trajectory of individual fragments of the stone as a result of explosive aerial fragmentation? ___Total Iron Content__ Polujamki: 25.69 % http://www.crystalencounters.com.au/poluyamki.html Markovka: 25.48% http://www.minresco.com/meteor/meteor10.htm -Thaddeus __ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] more on Info needed
Ask and ye shall receive: Little thing like a meteor fails to discourage bride New York Times December 8 1929 p. E1 Special correspondence of the New York Times Belgrade, Nov. 20. - The heavens blessed a bride in unwonted and unwelcome form in the village of Zvezvan today. As the wedding party was nearing the church a meteor fell into one of the carriages immediately in front of that in which the bride was seated. One of the wedding guests, a man, was killed, the woman sitting opposite him was badly injured and the bride fainted. The crowd scattered in panic, but after a brief delay the marriage was duly solemnized. The meteor, which was glowing hot, measured forty centimeters in diameter. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more
Hi Jeffrey, Thanks! However, I was wondering what the NAME of this meteorite is Zvezvan is not listed in Meteorites A to Z. Michael on 2/24/07 5:26 PM, Jeffrey Shallit at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ask and ye shall receive: Little thing like a meteor fails to discourage bride New York Times December 8 1929 p. E1 Special correspondence of the New York Times Belgrade, Nov. 20. - The heavens blessed a bride in unwonted and unwelcome form in the village of Zvezvan today. As the wedding party was nearing the church a meteor fell into one of the carriages immediately in front of that in which the bride was seated. One of the wedding guests, a man, was killed, the woman sitting opposite him was badly injured and the bride fainted. The crowd scattered in panic, but after a brief delay the marriage was duly solemnized. The meteor, which was glowing hot, measured forty centimeters in diameter. -- You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses. - Ziggy - in a comic strip by Tom Wilson -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more
Michael Blood asked: However, I was wondering what the NAME of this meteorite is Zvezvan is not listed in Meteorites A to Z. Because newspaper reports are not always correct. I wouldn't add any of these to your list either Michael. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/meteorwrongsMT.html Clear Skies, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rosetta Timeline for Mars Swingby
ESA News http://www.esa.int 23 February 2007 Timeline: Mars swingby at 36 000 km per hour The timeline for Rosetta's speedy swingby of Mars on 25 February includes a series of slew manoeuvres, an occultation and signal blackout, an eclipse and some excellent opportunities for scientific observations. Rosetta's Mars swingby kicks off today with a series of complex slew manoeuvres to enable instrument calibration. The spacecraft has been correctly lined up on the proper trajectory since a series of engine firings in the past several weeks. Rosetta is expected to pass the Red Planet at 250 km altitude and 36 191 km/hour with respect to Mars at closest approach. The swingby should reduce Rosetta's velocity with respect to the Sun by 7887 km/hour, and the spacecraft should depart Mars travelling at 78 779 km/hour relative to the Sun. Timeline of major activities Note: Times shown are ground event times in Central European Time, equivalent to UTC (Coordinated Universal Time) + 1 hour. Spacecraft event time is 17 mins 33 secs earlier. 23 February 17:32 First of a series of slew manoeuvres to perform instrument calibrations 19:30 Flight Control Team in ESOC's Main Control Room (MCR) around the clock 24 February ~14:00 Webcam in MCR switched on (access via ESA portal) 18:35 Additional slew manoeuvres to perform Mars observations with onboard instruments 22:30 End of observations until after Mars swingby 25 February 02:15 All payload instruments switched off; CIVA camera (onboard lander) remains in operation and scheduled to take images Loss of telemetry; S-band carrier signal remains 03:13 Occultation starts; Rosetta behind Mars Loss of S-band signal; no communication with spacecraft 03:15 Closest approach to Mars (250 km) Start of eclipse; no visibility for camera; no sunlight on solar panels 03:28 End of occultation; S-band carrier signal back Receipt of S-band carrier signal provides initial technical confirmation of swingby success 03:40 End of eclipse; sunrise above Mars 03:50 Start of Phobos and Mars tracking with additional scientific observations 03:52 Acquisition of telemetry (radio signal data); full technical confirmation of swingby success Downloading of data and images begins After 13:00 Images to be available on ESA portal ESA/NASA interagency cooperation supports Rosetta Increased ground tracking support has been scheduled throughout the swingby period. In addition to ESA's 35m deep-space station at New Norcia, NASA's Deep Space Network (DSN) stations at Goldstone, Canberra and Madrid will participate. The two agencies often work together and regularly share tracking station resources. [NOTE: Images and weblinks supporting this release are available at http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMR7IBE8YE_index_1.html ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more
Hi, Michael, Jeffrey, List Michael, as you well know, if the stone is not preserved, conserved, abducted by a museum, university, or government agency, examined by a geologist, mineralogist, scholar, savant, published, mentioned, noted, or abstracted, and then, in more scientific times, cut, sectioned, analyzed, poked in the noble gases and asked to cough --- it does not exist. There is no meteorite named ZVEZVAN, no entries in the Catalogue, no specimens, no slices, no nothing. Just an article in the NYTimes and one dead wedding guest. Not much, unless the wedding guest mattered to you. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. What? Slow news day in Zvezvan? There are innumerable historical accounts of fabulous events for which at the time there was no rational explanation that are perfectly and consistently what would be expected from a meteorite that are presently blythely dismissed as being without proof. There is a well-known case of a Franciscan monk of Milan being killed by a meteorite striking him in the leg (17th century). This is a much disputed account despite a large number of witness and perfectly consistent details. It was called a celestial stoning, the notion of meteorites being unknown at the time, and was widely reported and well attested, but is widely regarded by the experts of today as the report of the ignorant and the credulous. Then, in 1985, a historian quite accidentally discovered a lengthy account written by the physician who attempted to save the monk's life (and failed). The autopsy report is clear: the man's thigh was punctured side-to-side by a blocky piece of heavy dark stone larger than a bullet; the wound would have been survivable except that the stone severed the femoral artery and the victim bled out. Those 17th century guys just didn't realize that without a video tape of the whole thing, nobody was ever going to believe them! No guest shot on Oprah for them... But, frankly, to dismiss entirely these accounts for which there is no inherent clause for dismissal as the report of the ignorant and the credulous is... What's the word? Oh, yes: ignorant and credulous. But I'm just re-iterating in a minor way the discussion in Chap. 13 of Lewis book. Go read that, an excellent book on meteorites. Jeffrey, if you have archival access to the NYT, you might try for March 11, 1897 (1:4) account of a meteorite whose fragments pierced walls, killed one horse, injured another, and knocked out cold a man named David Leisure, in New Martinsville, West Virginia, apparently an explosive air-burst. (That's all I have, and that may have been all that was in the Times.) As for the glowing hot references in such accounts, that is the result of one of the great fallacies of human perception and need not invalidate an account. Ascribing heat to meteorites is akin to seeing lightening as red. Before 1800, in the many hundreds of descriptions of lightening to be found in the literatures of every culture on the planet, lightening is described as being red in color. I accumulated 700 references to the color of lightening prior to the late 18th century and found only one reference to blue lightening; ALL others were red. Since the early 19th century, lightening is always described as blue, blue-white, bluish white. Why? Better eyesight nowadays? No. Before 1800, everyone knew lightening was fire from heaven, and fire is red. Now, everyone knows that lightening is electrical, a gigantic atmospheric spark, and electricity is blue (or blue-white). Any (and every) fool knows that. Human beings DO NOT SEE what's in front of them; they DO SEE what they know to be true. They know meteorites are fiery objects, so they're hot. Reality has nothing to do with it. A great many genuine in-the-book historical falls come with witness descriptions of hot rocks. Whether there are ever any real hot rocks is impossible to determine because they're going to be reported as hot whether they were or not. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeffrey Shallit [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more Hi Jeffrey, Thanks! However, I was wondering what the NAME of this meteorite is Zvezvan is not listed in Meteorites A to Z. Michael on 2/24/07 5:26 PM, Jeffrey Shallit at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ask and ye shall receive: Little thing like a meteor fails to discourage bride New York Times December 8 1929 p. E1 Special correspondence of the New York Times Belgrade, Nov. 20. - The heavens blessed a bride in unwonted and unwelcome form in the village of Zvezvan today. As the wedding party was nearing the church a meteor fell into one of the carriages
Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more AGAIN
Hi, Mark is certainly correct about the hoaxing propensities of 19th century (and early 20th century) newspapers. The ultimate example is that is the Great Moon Hoax of 1832: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Moon_Hoax You will note that Mark's list is of very dramatic accounts. OK, the death of a wedding guest has a certain drama, but the death of a horse in West Virginia is not the stuff of a real blockbuster. To be sure, we need to be certain. Somebody has to go there, get the stone, and do all the scientific dirty work. BUT, that does not mean the obverse, that all unverified events are untrue, hoaxes, folk tales, urban legends, and the like. SOME are; others are not. When we get back to older historical records, they are most often just that: records, official, never made public, internal documents, private correspondence, and so forth. Gervase of Canterbury's description of a dramatic Lunar impact event witnessed on the evening of June 18, 1178, was recorded in the day book of the monastery and not discovered for many centuries; it was not sent immediately to cable TV. [Currently that event is on the debunking calendar: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news118.html but the debunker's arguments are themselves bunk, well, that's not the topic here.] But, in Mark's wonderful collection of newspaper accounts of real meteorites that actually fell, one will find lots of bizarre details that sound fake. So, if REAL falls produce partially unbelievable accounts, why should a reasonably sober account be dismissed out of hand? Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more Michael Blood asked: However, I was wondering what the NAME of this meteorite is Zvezvan is not listed in Meteorites A to Z. Because newspaper reports are not always correct. I wouldn't add any of these to your list either Michael. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/meteorwrongsMT.html Clear Skies, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ill need more
Hi Sterling, While I agree with pretty much all you have to say, I do not agree with what you seem to imply: that we should accept as fact every reported fall. Arguments against this are at least as strong as the argument to accept none of them. For instance, look at some of the reported falls and finds we see today. We have one crack pot threatening to sue half the dealers and institutions in the world for not recognizing the multiple lunar and Martian meteorites he has found in his back yard - we have several reports a year of spurious falls and I, personally, have had countless people show up at my front door with a meteorite their uncle, grandpa or father saw fall in 1957 or the like. It is an unfortunate dilemma - as obviously at least some of these old falls are valid. Best wishes, Michael on 2/24/07 8:44 PM, Sterling K. Webb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Michael, Jeffrey, List Michael, as you well know, if the stone is not preserved, conserved, abducted by a museum, university, or government agency, examined by a geologist, mineralogist, scholar, savant, published, mentioned, noted, or abstracted, and then, in more scientific times, cut, sectioned, analyzed, poked in the noble gases and asked to cough --- it does not exist. There is no meteorite named ZVEZVAN, no entries in the Catalogue, no specimens, no slices, no nothing. Just an article in the NYTimes and one dead wedding guest. Not much, unless the wedding guest mattered to you. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. What? Slow news day in Zvezvan? There are innumerable historical accounts of fabulous events for which at the time there was no rational explanation that are perfectly and consistently what would be expected from a meteorite that are presently blythely dismissed as being without proof. There is a well-known case of a Franciscan monk of Milan being killed by a meteorite striking him in the leg (17th century). This is a much disputed account despite a large number of witness and perfectly consistent details. It was called a celestial stoning, the notion of meteorites being unknown at the time, and was widely reported and well attested, but is widely regarded by the experts of today as the report of the ignorant and the credulous. Then, in 1985, a historian quite accidentally discovered a lengthy account written by the physician who attempted to save the monk's life (and failed). The autopsy report is clear: the man's thigh was punctured side-to-side by a blocky piece of heavy dark stone larger than a bullet; the wound would have been survivable except that the stone severed the femoral artery and the victim bled out. Those 17th century guys just didn't realize that without a video tape of the whole thing, nobody was ever going to believe them! No guest shot on Oprah for them... But, frankly, to dismiss entirely these accounts for which there is no inherent clause for dismissal as the report of the ignorant and the credulous is... What's the word? Oh, yes: ignorant and credulous. But I'm just re-iterating in a minor way the discussion in Chap. 13 of Lewis book. Go read that, an excellent book on meteorites. Jeffrey, if you have archival access to the NYT, you might try for March 11, 1897 (1:4) account of a meteorite whose fragments pierced walls, killed one horse, injured another, and knocked out cold a man named David Leisure, in New Martinsville, West Virginia, apparently an explosive air-burst. (That's all I have, and that may have been all that was in the Times.) As for the glowing hot references in such accounts, that is the result of one of the great fallacies of human perception and need not invalidate an account. Ascribing heat to meteorites is akin to seeing lightening as red. Before 1800, in the many hundreds of descriptions of lightening to be found in the literatures of every culture on the planet, lightening is described as being red in color. I accumulated 700 references to the color of lightening prior to the late 18th century and found only one reference to blue lightening; ALL others were red. Since the early 19th century, lightening is always described as blue, blue-white, bluish white. Why? Better eyesight nowadays? No. Before 1800, everyone knew lightening was fire from heaven, and fire is red. Now, everyone knows that lightening is electrical, a gigantic atmospheric spark, and electricity is blue (or blue-white). Any (and every) fool knows that. Human beings DO NOT SEE what's in front of them; they DO SEE what they know to be true. They know meteorites are fiery objects, so they're hot. Reality has nothing to do with it. A great many genuine in-the-book historical falls come with witness descriptions of hot rocks. Whether there are ever any real hot rocks is impossible to determine because they're going to be reported as hot whether they were or not. Sterling
