Re: [meteorite-list] What are we doing? Ahhhh!

[Don Rawlings]

"WE" are not doing anything.  Blame the news media
that only tells the sensational stories.

That email does not even deserve a reply.  NO email
that asks "how rich am I now" deserves a reply.

Suppose you help this guy get his meteorite verified
and classified.  Is he going to reward you for your
trouble by selling it to you at a reasonable price or
is he just get on the internet and look for the
highest bidder?  People that write emails like the one
you received don't deserve the time of day.

Don

--- Ruben Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I get so many emails from people that think they've
> found a meteorite. It's ok, that's what I signed up
> for when I put up a website and videos designed to
> teach.
> 
> But I hate when someone sends me an email like this
> one. He wants $300,000 for this? Yet he doesn't even
> tell me its type or classification! For all I know
> it's a Gibeon. Maybe he stole it I don't know!
> But what makes him think he can sell it for this
> amount?  
> 
> What are we doing that makes everyone think their
> rock
> is priceless?
> 
> Hello,
>  
> 1.My aerolite. That's about weight 300kg. How money
> buy? us?/g?
> 2.My tell: 15801098322
> 3.Aerolite about outside measurement 80cm X 46cm X
> 38cm .
> 4.I'm sorry. I dou't speak English.  I'm china.
> 5.(Picture) http://i.cn.yahoo.com/aerolite
> 6.Certificate to appraise. Is very authority section
> or men.
>  
> 
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> 
> 
>  
>

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Re: [meteorite-list] What are we doing? Ahhhh!

[AL Mitterling]

Hi Ruben and all,

People who think their rock is worth $300,000 or millions is because of 
hype by the news media. They will mention some rare type specimen which 
sold for or which is estimated by some personnel of some museum, school 
or college (and probably don't have the foggiest notion of what space 
rocks are truly worth) to be worth six or seven figures. There fore 
anyone with any rock or meteorite find, will automatically think their 
rock is worth that much because it is "THEIR" rock.
In reality any meteorite is ultimately _worth_ what someone will pay for 
the specimen. In some cases rarity, low total known weight or some 
unusual circumstance dictates the true price.


Having checked out about a thousand plus leads over the years what truly 
gets me is the people who do not have a meteorite going from dealer to 
dealer or museum or university and trying to get someone to say their 
rock is a meteorite when it simply isn't a meteorite. I've got a guy 
over in Ohio who has wasted countless of peoples time and will not 
accept the facts.


What scares me about your contact is the fact they are from China and 
probably have a dag nab Nan tan worth much less than I would pay and 
yes, it could be that true one exception of a case who truly have a 
unique meteorite but then that's a one to a ten thousand chance.


In the end all we can do is educated and set people straight (if they 
will listen) and let them know the realities of buying space rocks. All 
my best!


--AL Mitterling

Ruben Garcia wrote:


Hi all,
I get so many emails from people that think they've
found a meteorite. It's ok, that's what I signed up
for when I put up a website and videos designed to
teach.

But I hate when someone sends me an email like this
one. He wants $300,000 for this? Yet he doesn't even
tell me its type or classification! For all I know
it's a Gibeon. Maybe he stole it I don't know!
But what makes him think he can sell it for this
amount?  


What are we doing that makes everyone think their rock
is priceless?

Hello,

1.My aerolite. That's about weight 300kg. How money
buy? us?/g?
2.My tell: 15801098322
3.Aerolite about outside measurement 80cm X 46cm X
38cm .
4.I'm sorry. I dou't speak English.  I'm china.
5.(Picture) http://i.cn.yahoo.com/aerolite
6.Certificate to appraise. Is very authority section
or men.



Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com
 


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[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 15, 2008

[Michael Johnson]

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_15_2008.html 


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Re: [meteorite-list] INTERSTELLAR DISASTER!

[Jerry]

A definite winner. Check it out
Jerry Flaherty
- Original Message - 
From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] INTERSTELLAR DISASTER!



On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:43:08 -0500, you wrote:


Well at least it's not coming at light speed.


Even at light speed, it'd take 8,000 years to hit.  Now, at ludicrous 
speed...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB7tc9pVvYg
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[meteorite-list] RFS Picture of the Day - Mark Crawford's NWA 4680

[bernd . pauli]

Hello Mark, Michael J., and List,

NWA 4680 is one of my favorite meteorites from Carsten Giessler. It's a 
beautiful,
fresh, brecciated L4-6 chondrite (S3; W1) with a TKW of 3830 gr. I have a 
complete
slice and a broken individual. The latter has frothy, warty, black fusion crust 
with
delicate wrinkles on its rear side, some lipping and flightmarks and there are 
clearly
visible contraction cracks in the crust that nicely contrasts with the 
light-blue, cloudy
matrix of this metal- and troilite-rich chondrite. My 52-gram slice features a 
5mm metal-
rimmed troilite inclusion. A beautiful meteorite!

Cheers,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] [Fwd: [alllpl] MESSENGER Post Flyby Assessment]

[lebofsky]

Hi All:

In case your are interested in images from MESSENGER, it appears that the
lines are busy, so the spacecraft download is delayed a little.

Larry

 Original Message 
Subject: [alllpl] MESSENGER Post Flyby Assessment
From:"Mary Guerrieri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:Tue, January 15, 2008 1:55 pm
To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--

 From Bill Boynton:

--- Forwarded message --

Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:44:49 -0500
From: "Finnegan, Eric J." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MESSENGER Post Flyby Assessment

At 16:30 UTC (11:30a.m. EST) telemetry from the spacecraft was received
by flight controllers on the ground.  All spacecraft subsystems and
instruments are reporting nominal operations, indicating that the
command sequence executed as expected for the last 55 hours.  At receipt
of telemetry, the MP was reporting that 1213 images were recorded and
the Solid State Recorder was approximately 47% full (approximately
500Mbytes), all as expected and within predictions for the flyby data
collection.

Unfortunately, other spacecraft that share the Deep Space Network (DSN),
have declared spacecraft emergencies within minutes of data receipt,
thus pulling much of the post flyby data downlink support that was
planned.  This will delay the previous expectations for data downlink
times on the ground.  At present, MESSENGER operations staff has
negotiated with the DSN to recover low rate contact with the spacecraft
from now till 2320 UTC (6:20 p.m.).  At this time, contact with the 70m
antenna in Canberra Australia will resume at a data rate of 104kbit per
second (the highest data rate possible for the spacecraft).  Operations
has further negotiating extending this contact period to 0930 UTC
(4:30a.m. on Wednesday Jan. 15th), this increase should allow for the
large majority of the science data stored to be down linked by the end
of this track.

With these changes in the downlink schedule, it is expected that the
first raw data and images of the undiscovered portion of the planet will
be available in the Mission Operations Center late this evening or first
thing Wednesday morning.  Although this is an inconvenience to our
exploration efforts, our thoughts and support should be with these other
missions, now experiencing difficulty, that share in the exploration of
our solar system.

Sincerely,

Eric J. Finnegan
MESSENGER Mission System Engineer
Johns Hopkins University
Applied Physics Laboratory
Desk:240-228-1712
Mobile:..443-827-2550
Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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[meteorite-list] MESSENGER's First Look at Mercury's Previously Unseen Side

[Ron Baalke]

http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/news_room/status_report_01_15_08_2.html

MESSENGER Mission News
January 15, 2008 

MESSENGER's First Look at Mercury's Previously Unseen Side

When Mariner 10 flew past Mercury three times in 1974 and 1975, the same
hemisphere was in sunlight during each encounter. As a consequence,
Mariner 10 was able to image less than half the planet. Planetary
scientists have wondered for more than 30 years about what spacecraft
images might reveal about the hemisphere of Mercury that Mariner 10
never viewed.

On January 14, 2008, the MESSENGER spacecraft observed about half of the
hemisphere missed by Mariner 10. This image

was snapped by the Wide Angle Camera, part of the Mercury Dual Imaging
System (MDIS) instrument, about 80 minutes after MESSENGER's closest
approach to Mercury (2:04 p.m. EST), when the spacecraft was at a
distance of about 27,000 kilometers (about 17,000 miles). The image
shows features as small as 10 kilometers (6 miles) in size. This image
was taken through a filter sensitive to light near the red end of the
visible spectrum (750 nm), one of a sequence of images taken through
each of MDIS's 11 filters..

Like the previously mapped portion of Mercury, this hemisphere appears
heavily cratered. It also reveals some unique and distinctive features.
On the upper right is the giant Caloris basin, including its western
portions never before seen by spacecraft. Formed by the impact of a
large asteroid or comet, Caloris is one of the largest, and perhaps one
of the youngest, basins in the Solar System. The new image shows the
complete basin interior and reveals that it is brighter than the
surrounding regions and may therefore have a different composition.
Darker smooth plains completely surround Caloris, and many unusual
dark-rimmed craters are observed inside the basin. Several other
multi-ringed basins are seen in this image for the first time. Prominent
fault scarps (large ridges) lace the newly viewed region.

Other images obtained during the flyby will reveal surface features in
color and in much more detail. Collectively, these images and
measurements made by other MESSENGER instruments will soon provide a
detailed global view of the surface of Mercury, yielding key information
for understanding the formation and geologic history of the innermost
planet.

Additional information and features from this first flyby will be
available online at http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/mer_flyby1.html.
Following the flyby, be sure to check for the latest released images and
science results!



MESSENGER (MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, GEochemistry, and
Ranging) is a NASA-sponsored scientific investigation of the planet
Mercury and the first space mission designed to orbit the planet closest
to the Sun. The MESSENGER spacecraft launched on August 3, 2004, and
after flybys of Earth, Venus, and Mercury will start a yearlong study of
its target planet in March 2011. Dr. Sean C. Solomon, of the Carnegie
Institution of Washington, leads the mission as principal investigator. 
The Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory built and operates 
the MESSENGER spacecraft and manages this Discovery/-class mission for NASA.

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[meteorite-list] Life on Earth 'Began on a Radioactive Beach'

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2008/01/09/scibeach109.xml
  

Life on Earth 'began on a radioactive beach'
By Nic Fleming
The Telegraph (United Kingdom)
January 9, 2008

Life on Earth began on a radioactive beach, a scientist claimed today.
 
According to computer models, deposits could collect at a beach's high
tide mark in sufficient quantity to trigger fission reactions

The sifting and collection of radioactive material by powerful tides
could have generated the complex molecules that led to the evolution of
carbon-based life forms - including plants, animals and humans.

While radiation may seem an unlikely candidate to kick-start life
because it breaks chemical bonds and splits large molecules, it also
crucially provides chemical energy needed to generate some of the basic
building blocks of life.

Zachary Adam, an astrobiologist at the University of Washington in
Seattle, has suggested the collection of radioactive material on a beach
as a new theory for the origins of life - to be added to the existing
long and varied list of hypotheses.

One is its emergence from a "primordial soup" of simple organic
chemicals accumulated on the surface of bodies of water within the
hydrogen-rich early atmosphere - formulated in the 1920's by English
geneticist J. B. S. Haldane and Russian biochemist Alexander Oparin.

Others include early life forming in inorganic clay, the initial energy
coming not from chemical reactions but from sunlight or lightening and
the arrival of microscopic seeds of terrestrial life on chunks of
meteorites or comets, and the intervention of a divine, intelligent
designer.

In work highlighted in this week's New Scientist magazine, Mr Adam
suggests the more powerful tides generated by the moon's closer orbit
billions of years ago compared to today could have sorted radioactive
material from other sediment.

According to his computer models, deposits could collect at a beach's
high tide mark in sufficient quantity to trigger the self-sustaining
fission reactions - as occur in natural seams of uranium.

Mr Adam demonstrated in laboratory experiments that such a deposit could
produce the chemical energy to generate some of the molecules in water
which produce amino acids and sugars - key building blocks of life -
when irradiated.

A deposit of a radioactive material called monazite would also release
soluble phosphate, another important ingredient for life, into the gaps
between sand grains - making it accessible to react in water.

Mr Adam told the New Scientist: "Amino acids, sugars and [soluble]
phosphate can all be produced simultaneously in a radioactive beach
environment."

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[meteorite-list] AD: 2 Sweet Auctions on EBay Started

[Don Merchant]

Hi List. I have put up 2 more Auctions on EBay ending in 5 days.
For those of you who missed out on my group of rare meteorite stamps I have 
listed another set which includes a Beautiful 10.32gm Oriented Sikhote-Alin 
Meteorite that represents the Sikhote Alin Stamp in the auction!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160198721707&ssPageName=STRK:MESC:IT&ih=006

Also for Auction is 2 Proof Uncirculated Coins both with COA's. One is the 
Beautiful Palau Nantan Silver Meteorite coin and the other is the Rough Face 
on Mars Coin.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160199285499&ssPageName=STRK:MESC:IT&ih=006

Both Auctions Starting at a PENNY!! I am Winding down with selling all my 
Duplicate Items in my Collection that I have collected over the many years. 
This has helped me be able to pay for some unexpected medical bills. I will 
only have 2 more Auctions after this, with some more Rare Items that I have 
collected over the years and then I am taking a Long break from putting any 
more Auctions up on EBay (man it's allot of work!! LoL) So if any of you 
have been interested in my prior Auctions take note that these items will be 
my last for a while.
Thanks for Looking and I thank all of you for tolerating my AD's here on the 
List. I am proud to be a member of this List as I have met and made a great 
many friends (new and old) here that share the love of this hobby. Hats off!

Sincerely
Don Merchant
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[meteorite-list] IMAGES OF MERCURY

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi, All,

The delayed data download of images and data from
the Messenger flyby of Mercury has apparently begun.
The first (small) image has been posted at the Messenger
Gallery:  http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/

I imagine it will take some days before we have a variety
of good sized images with the contrast balanced out and
all the other processing the raw data needs.

Everything you ever wanted to know about the spacecraft is
in the complete Messenger Press Kit, which is available for
download from the Messenger site.

This is a really snazzy 43-page color Press Kit, very well
done, and you don't need Press credentials, or one of
those fedora hats with a Press card in the hatband, to get
a copy of it:
http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/news_room/MercuryFlyby1PressKitFINAL_1_10_08.pdf

It's worth looking through.


Sterling K. Webb
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Re: [meteorite-list] Life on Earth 'Began on a Radioactive Beach'

[Charles Viau]

Interesting, however most CC's we have studied, especially Allende and
Murchison are loaded with these complex molecules (amino acids). The planet
was pelted with CC's long before there were any oceans and then when oceans
did form, those complex molecules would have been dissolved into the ocean
readily.  The 'radioactive beach'  effect seems miniscule considering how
much of the basic building blocks of life were already steeping in the
primordial soup. 
Yes? No?
CharlyV


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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/20
08/01/09/scibeach109.xml  

Life on Earth 'began on a radioactive beach'
By Nic Fleming
The Telegraph (United Kingdom)
January 9, 2008

Life on Earth began on a radioactive beach, a scientist claimed today.
 
According to computer models, deposits could collect at a beach's high
tide mark in sufficient quantity to trigger fission reactions

The sifting and collection of radioactive material by powerful tides
could have generated the complex molecules that led to the evolution of
carbon-based life forms - including plants, animals and humans.

While radiation may seem an unlikely candidate to kick-start life
because it breaks chemical bonds and splits large molecules, it also
crucially provides chemical energy needed to generate some of the basic
building blocks of life.

Zachary Adam, an astrobiologist at the University of Washington in
Seattle, has suggested the collection of radioactive material on a beach
as a new theory for the origins of life - to be added to the existing
long and varied list of hypotheses.

One is its emergence from a "primordial soup" of simple organic
chemicals accumulated on the surface of bodies of water within the
hydrogen-rich early atmosphere - formulated in the 1920's by English
geneticist J. B. S. Haldane and Russian biochemist Alexander Oparin.

Others include early life forming in inorganic clay, the initial energy
coming not from chemical reactions but from sunlight or lightening and
the arrival of microscopic seeds of terrestrial life on chunks of
meteorites or comets, and the intervention of a divine, intelligent
designer.

In work highlighted in this week's New Scientist magazine, Mr Adam
suggests the more powerful tides generated by the moon's closer orbit
billions of years ago compared to today could have sorted radioactive
material from other sediment.

According to his computer models, deposits could collect at a beach's
high tide mark in sufficient quantity to trigger the self-sustaining
fission reactions - as occur in natural seams of uranium.

Mr Adam demonstrated in laboratory experiments that such a deposit could
produce the chemical energy to generate some of the molecules in water
which produce amino acids and sugars - key building blocks of life -
when irradiated.

A deposit of a radioactive material called monazite would also release
soluble phosphate, another important ingredient for life, into the gaps
between sand grains - making it accessible to react in water.

Mr Adam told the New Scientist: "Amino acids, sugars and [soluble]
phosphate can all be produced simultaneously in a radioactive beach
environment."

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[meteorite-list] QMIG update

[Bob WALKER]

Listoids

Hola

Update at http://qmig..org and the mirror at http://qmig.net

Some heavy reading in the new links on the news webpage

Any of youse kleverer doyens of the meteorite scientific community want to 
gander at all the scientific results and venture an opinion on wot is paired 
or not ???


I'd love to know your informed opinions

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[meteorite-list] Perhaps there is a need for a meteorite FAQ

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi all - 

Reading this letter from China, it seems to me...

We need a page pointing to classification services,
explaining the basics to folks - including current
price ranges.

We need pages with accumulated cutting wisdom...

We need some pages with accumulated knowledge on rust
prevention...

We need some pages with thin section manufacturing
knowledge...

IMCA explained... (do I have the letters in the right
order? damned stroke.)

maybe some of the basic types shown, along with some
of the fundamentals on meteors, bolides, etc.: kind of
like an online "Rocks from Space."

list of museums...

etc...

Or maybe one page pointing to the best pages on the
net where this information already has been
assembled...  It would be nice if the IMCA put up an
official one.

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[meteorite-list] AD - Lots of Updates.

[Impactika]

Hello List,
 
I am very busy preparing for the Tucson Show, less than 3 weeks away.

For those of you going to Tucson, I will be in The InnSuites, room 230,  just 
like last year, from February 2 to February 16, and I will have a lot of  new 
rare historical pieces, and of course the Santa Rosa!  Please come see  them 
all.

For those of you staying home, I will be posting to my Catalog ( 
_http://www.impactika.com/Metlist.htm_ (http://www.impactika.com/Metlist.htm)  
)  as many 
of those great new pieces as possible, so you can see them and even tell  me 
if you want me to hold something for you. Just email me!

Please  remember that you will now find on the Meteorites ( 
_http://www.impactika.com/Meteorit.htm_ (http://www.impactika.com/Meteorit.htm) 
 )  page  links 
to additional pages telling you all about the most  
interesting/unusual/rare/new pieces I have in stock, but the Catalog will 
always  give you a complete 
list of all pieces available and will be updated as often as  possible.

And one more thing, I just updated my Thin-Sections ( 
_http://www.impactika.com/TSlist.htm_ (http://www.impactika.com/TSlist.htm)  ) 
page.   All the 
thin-sections I "inherited" from David New are there, plus a lot of rare  
classifications, and some surprises.

And the Impact Glass ( _http://www.impactika.com/IMPglass.htm_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/IMPglass.htm)  ) page  has been updated too!!!

And there is still a whole lot more to come!

Any questions, just  email me!
Thanks.

Anne M.  Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
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[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 16, 2008

[SPACEROCKSINC]

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/January_16_2008.html  




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