Re: [meteorite-list] Classification Criteria was Am Imissingsomething here?
Maybe also the classification guidelines Ken Regelman is carrying together on his website is helpful: http://www.meteorites4sale.net/ (Click in the right menue on guidelines Greetings, Martin (just back from always hot hot hot Ensisheim) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Sterling K. Webb Gesendet: Montag, 23. Juni 2008 01:26 An: Mr EMan; Meteorite List; Jeff Grossman Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Classification Criteria was Am Imissingsomething here? Hi, Elton, List, I see Jeff Grossman has already replied, but I looked because I'd like to download a PDF like that myself. Here's the best of what I found: From the Book Meteorites and the Early Solar System (2004), the chapter Systematics and Evaluation of Meteorite Classification. Downloadable as a (34-page) PDF: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/books/MESSII/9014.pdf (I see that this is Reference #3 from the wikipedia article that Jeff Grossman referred to -- and recommended.) This is only readable online: Meteorites, Comets and Planets, Vol.1 http://books.google.com/books?id=kYtksEUxw0oCpg=PA84lpg=PA84dq=meteorite+ classification+criteria+source=webots=NEYI15fuq5sig=eI2t355Y_wVkZ38He1xJh H5G7Ushl=ensa=Xoi=book_resultresnum=8ct=result#PPA232,M1 Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Mr EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Classification Criteria was Am I missingsomething here? The geek in me has always been curious as to the actual classification criteria that a researcher uses to make classification. Does anyone have them by name or PDF or hard copy? Or volunteer to explain the general scheme for different classes? Sounds like fodder for a met-times expose?. Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moving and Ad - eBay auctions closing shortly
Greetings All I am moving back to Tucson and am suffering through the joys of packing. My web site is closed for the next month until I get set up again and this is my last eBay auction for a while too. So bid high and bid often because the movers are charging a fortune.Included are Mars shergottite crusted individual less than $110/gm Tagish Lake currently at $100/gm Allende 12.87 gram endcut currently at $3.27/gm Gibeon individual 361.6 grams NICE shape currently at $0.35/gm Polymict diogenite slice still less than 1/3 of what it is worth NWA 1930 LL3 with armored chondrule just over $1/gm as well as Vigarano, mundrabilla, oriented Erg Chech, seymchan and others. See them all at http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=katy2kary -- Eric Olson 7682 Firethorn Dr Fayetteville, NC 28311 http://www.star-bits.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Opinion needed (forwarded message)
Bernd and List, My exact same thoughts. There is another clue in this picture besides the weathered crust. Look at the plastic and metal next to the stone. If this were truly from an impact, these materials would show a lot of abrasion. Best, John At 10:55 AM 6/22/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Opinions welcome folks...Here are the pics... http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1850/8117688/19931258/322341103.jpg http://pic70.picturetrail.com/VOL1850/8117688/19931258/322341193.jpg Hi Jan and List, Slightly weathered, fully crusted NWA (W1-2; S2-3) squeezed into the siding of a Dutch window frame! Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chergach H5-IMB 2 Lithologies Photos
Dear List Members, I just returned from Morocco and Western Sahara a couple days ago. Of the few meteorites worth getting, I did get a single 362-gram Chergach H5-IMB stone which I cut and polished yesterday - AMAZING!! Here are some links to photos which show a distinct, shocked vein dividing the two different lithologies of H5 and Impact Melt Breccia (IMB). 39.9g cs http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/6-23/dsc1.jpg 38.9g cs http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/6-23/dsc2.jpg 38.3g cs http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/6-23/dsc3.jpg 31.3g ec http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/6-23/dsc4.jpg 26.1g ps http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/6-23/dsc5.jpg 16.9g ps (Breccia lith. with part of shock vein) http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/6-23/dsc6.jpg 14.6g ps http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/6-23/dsc7.jpg 5.2g ps (H5 lith. with shock vein) http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/6-23/dsc8.jpg 2.2g ps http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/6-23/dsc9.jpg 1.6g ps http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/6-23/dsc00010.jpg 92.1g Complete with 99% crust http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/6-23/dsc00011.jpg 64.1g Complete with 100% crust http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/6-23/dsc00012.jpg cs-Complete Slice ps-Part Slice ec-End Cut I also got two excellent complete stones with fantastic fusion crust, one with a 15mm gunblue metal blob with flowlines protruding from the black crust. These weigh between 400-500 grams each. I traded my large scale while in Morocco so I can not get the exact weights until later this week. Here are the photos of these two beauties: Chergach #1 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/6-23/chergach1.jpg Chergach #2 http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/6-23/chergach2.jpg Let me know what you think! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] North Carolina meteoriticists and meteoritiphiles?
Hello All, I'm about to move to North Carolina to join the faculty in ISIS (Information Science and Information Studies) at Duke University... It will be a change from the great hunting in the California and Nevada deserts, but I'm anxious to find out if there are any meteorite folks in the area to work with... Cheers, Nick Nicholas Gessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://gessler.bol.ucla.edu/finds.htm __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sigh
Liam's teacher Rachel Kaplan said, I was really sad when Pluto was declassified as a planet, because I've studied astrology for a number of years. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,370213,00.html Pluto's Identity Crisis Hits Classrooms, Bookstores Pluto was once a planet. Then a dwarf planet. And, as of this month, a plutoid. The fall from grace has teachers, parents and educational publishers struggling to keep up, while kids remain loyal to their favorite, the ninth planet. Underscore planet. On June 11, the International Astronomical Union (IAU) announced Pluto should now be called a plutoid, two years after the organization voted to demote Pluto to dwarf planet status. Meanwhile, many kids are nearly certain Pluto is still a planet. I think it's a planet. But me and my friends, we talk about it sometimes and we go back and forth, said Natalie Browning, 9, sitting in a park in Manhattan with her family. Right now, I'm not 100 percent. I'm just 75 percent sure that Pluto is a planet, she added. Natalie's mom, Bobbie Browning, said, You've got kids with textbooks saying that Pluto is part of the solar system and a planet, and teachers have to say it isn't [a planet]. Science teachers and publishers already worked to update their resources to read dwarf planet. And now, boom, that category is out of favor among astronomers. Students who have just learned about the concept of dwarf planets must now be taught the new concept of 'plutoid,' said Janis Milman, who teaches Earth Science at Thomas Stone High School in Maryland. This will lead to confusion in the classroom and resistance to learning the new terms, because the students will question, 'Why learn something that might change again in a year or so?' A cursory survey at a large chain bookstore here revealed three out of four books published in 2006 or later were updated, with Pluto designated as a dwarf planet and the solar system said to include just eight planets. Chronicles of Pluto Discovered in 1930 by Clyde W. Tombaugh at Lowell Observatory in Arizona, Pluto was always considered an oddball of sorts, with its tiny size (smaller than some moons) and eccentric orbit. During its 248-year trek around the sun, Pluto swings from its farthest point from the sun at 49.5 astronomical units (AU) to as close as 29 AU from the sun. One AU is the average distance between the Earth and sun, or about 93 million miles (150 million kilometers). More than 70 years later, in August 2006, 424 astronomers at an IAU meeting voted to demote Pluto to dwarf planet status. Two weeks ago, the IAU Executive Committee reclassified Pluto as a plutoid. The other object in the plutoid club, Eris, is larger and more massive than Pluto. Astronomers expect to find hundreds of Pluto-sized objects. And so the fate of Pluto will determine how these worlds are classified. For instance, new computer modeling suggests an object up to 70 percent of Earth's mass is lurking beyond Pluto. This Planet X, if confirmed, would be called a plutoid under the IAU's scheme. No matter what the scientists say, many kids won't let go. It's a planet, said fifth-grader Emily Mitchell, whose mother Laurie agreed, saying, I grew up learning it was a planet. It's the smallest planet, said Liam, a 4-year-old who is about to be 5. Liam's teacher Rachel Kaplan said, I was really sad when Pluto was declassified as a planet, because I've studied astrology for a number of years. Aileen Wilson said her 7-year-old son is interested in Pluto's label. He's interested in why it was a planet and why it's not a planet anymore. I know that it was demoted and it's not a planet. But I don't know what it's called, said Erin Kelly, a pre-school teacher sitting on a park bench with her students in New York. In the classroom Even as scientists are arguing over the plutoid designation, with some saying they won't use the term, educators are already latching onto it. Change is the name of the game in science, according to Gerry Wheeler, the executive director of the National Science Teachers Association. Basically, it's a teachable moment for science teachers, because it shows the dynamic nature of science, Wheeler told SPACE.com. He added the NSTA will spread news of the plutoid category to science teachers in the fall. Elementary school science teacher Lucy Jensen agrees: Pluto has made it interesting studying our planets this year. She teaches at Joliet Public School in Montana. Our only problem we now have is buying new material, such as posters, videos, DVDs and game/study materials that need to be updated, she said. Jensen added that while her fourth-grade students were more upset than the third graders about Pluto's demotion, the parents were the most upset. It is hard to teach old dogs new tricks, and we like what we know, she said. Time has always been taken in the classroom to ponder the origin of Pluto. When Pluto became a dwarf planet, along with Eris and Ceres, it made it
Re: [meteorite-list] Classification Criteria-- Abstract
Thanks Folks! Very appreciated responses. To sum up what was read. The system of classification of meteorites is an evolving system which seeks to adapt as new knowledge is gained. The stoney, stoney-iron, iron historical classification is so passe˘ in the light of modern analytical tools. There is a tool box of standard mineralogical test using common lab equipment plus a few specialized ones. Based on an initial subject matter expert visual inspection, a menu of tests are selected to determine content: mineral, elemental, and isotopic proportions. While not specifically stated, I assume that standard lab practice dictates the number and location of sample sites for micro probe testing, for example. As with most things there are exceptions and not all tests, in all circumstances, are definitive in discriminating all classifications so alternate or supplemental tests are employed to refine classification else remove ambiguities. Numbers used such as 3.1, 3.3, 5 etc are only nominal--names for certain values. They do not represent equal intervals. For Example, a 3 is not half a 6. A point 1 is not a mathematical value but a name for a secondary measurement just like H and 5 are respective names for ranges of values. They are naming conventions that represent associated, but not equal, data ranges for various aspects of mineralogy. This is akin to a model number on a washing machine. Each character means something specific about the washer but is not a sequential number. When all the testing data is charted, the researcher looks for a best overall fit within plots of all other meteorites, especially those established clans the specimen appears belong to. If the fit is cleanly within all normalized values, a call can be made. On a side note I deduce, meteorites which have multiple lithologies not seen in a single sample, are sometimes given two separate classifications by two independent researchers. In this case, for the time being, our approval system doesn't pass judgment or try to resolve differences. In effect both researchers are right. When there isn't a clean fit of data plots--If merited by a data points falling outside the envelope, the researcher should consult other specialists prior to publishing a classification. Sometimes this results in a sub-grouping or un-grouping classification awaiting other similar specimens to arrive. The McCoy paper Sterling gave the link to answered a lot of questions. I see that Jeff was a major contributor. Thanks again to all for that great insider's perspective. Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sigh
Hi All: In mid-Auguest there will be a conference held in Maryland: The Great Planet Debate: Science as Process. I will be there and will be presenting as a scientist and science educator. I hope to write this up as an article for the November issue of Meteorite. Dispite the IAU, this is not a dead issue. Larry On Mon, June 23, 2008 11:25 am, Darren Garrison wrote: Liam's teacher Rachel Kaplan said, I was really sad when Pluto was declassified as a planet, because I've studied astrology for a number of years. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,370213,00.html Pluto's Identity Crisis Hits Classrooms, Bookstores Pluto was once a planet. Then a dwarf planet. And, as of this month, a plutoid. The fall from grace has teachers, parents and educational publishers struggling to keep up, while kids remain loyal to their favorite, the ninth planet. Underscore planet. On June 11, the International Astronomical Union (IAU) announced Pluto should now be called a plutoid, two years after the organization voted to demote Pluto to dwarf planet status. Meanwhile, many kids are nearly certain Pluto is still a planet. I think it's a planet. But me and my friends, we talk about it sometimes and we go back and forth, said Natalie Browning, 9, sitting in a park in Manhattan with her family. Right now, I'm not 100 percent. I'm just 75 percent sure that Pluto is a planet, she added. Natalie's mom, Bobbie Browning, said, You've got kids with textbooks saying that Pluto is part of the solar system and a planet, and teachers have to say it isn't [a planet]. Science teachers and publishers already worked to update their resources to read dwarf planet. And now, boom, that category is out of favor among astronomers. Students who have just learned about the concept of dwarf planets must now be taught the new concept of 'plutoid,' said Janis Milman, who teaches Earth Science at Thomas Stone High School in Maryland. This will lead to confusion in the classroom and resistance to learning the new terms, because the students will question, 'Why learn something that might change again in a year or so?' A cursory survey at a large chain bookstore here revealed three out of four books published in 2006 or later were updated, with Pluto designated as a dwarf planet and the solar system said to include just eight planets. Chronicles of Pluto Discovered in 1930 by Clyde W. Tombaugh at Lowell Observatory in Arizona, Pluto was always considered an oddball of sorts, with its tiny size (smaller than some moons) and eccentric orbit. During its 248-year trek around the sun, Pluto swings from its farthest point from the sun at 49.5 astronomical units (AU) to as close as 29 AU from the sun. One AU is the average distance between the Earth and sun, or about 93 million miles (150 million kilometers). More than 70 years later, in August 2006, 424 astronomers at an IAU meeting voted to demote Pluto to dwarf planet status. Two weeks ago, the IAU Executive Committee reclassified Pluto as a plutoid. The other object in the plutoid club, Eris, is larger and more massive than Pluto. Astronomers expect to find hundreds of Pluto-sized objects. And so the fate of Pluto will determine how these worlds are classified. For instance, new computer modeling suggests an object up to 70 percent of Earth's mass is lurking beyond Pluto. This Planet X, if confirmed, would be called a plutoid under the IAU's scheme. No matter what the scientists say, many kids won't let go. It's a planet, said fifth-grader Emily Mitchell, whose mother Laurie agreed, saying, I grew up learning it was a planet. It's the smallest planet, said Liam, a 4-year-old who is about to be 5. Liam's teacher Rachel Kaplan said, I was really sad when Pluto was declassified as a planet, because I've studied astrology for a number of years. Aileen Wilson said her 7-year-old son is interested in Pluto's label. He's interested in why it was a planet and why it's not a planet anymore. I know that it was demoted and it's not a planet. But I don't know what it's called, said Erin Kelly, a pre-school teacher sitting on a park bench with her students in New York. In the classroom Even as scientists are arguing over the plutoid designation, with some saying they won't use the term, educators are already latching onto it. Change is the name of the game in science, according to Gerry Wheeler, the executive director of the National Science Teachers Association. Basically, it's a teachable moment for science teachers, because it shows the dynamic nature of science, Wheeler told SPACE.com. He added the NSTA will spread news of the plutoid category to science teachers in the fall. Elementary school science teacher Lucy Jensen agrees: Pluto has made it interesting studying our planets this year. She teaches at Joliet Public School in Montana. Our only problem we now have is buying new material,
Re: [meteorite-list] Sigh
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:41:40 -0700 (MST), you wrote: I will be there and will be presenting as a scientist and science educator. I hope to write this up as an article for the November issue of Meteorite. Hopefully, your audience will include science teachers who know the difference between astronomy and astrology. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: a nicely orionted unclassified achondrite
hi all, here is a nice stone for sales , 1250 gr unclassified achondrite, has some flow lines and a nice shape,orionted , has 60/100 crust. look very crystalized inside, please email your offer , http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/ see 1250 gr achondrite album,, thanks aziz habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170 _ Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente http://mail.yahoo.fr __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sigh
Darren wrote: Hopefully, your audience will include science teachers who know the difference between astronomy and astrology. Hi Darren, I'm sure she know the difference - you'd have to put both the teacher and the writer of the article in the same room to debate. Then you could be sure why the article was worded the way it was. And besides, some of the greatest astronomers of all time were astrologers, and the entire Cristian faith justified its begining with an astrological signal among the WISE MEN ... a.k.a. ASTROLOGERS. To them we owe our early understanding of the heavens and plenty more. Sure it sounds about as dumb as calling a meteoriticist a meteorologist. But it took meteorologists to set the foundation for and beget meteoriticists. Actually IMO modern day Nancy Reagan type astrologers, and only in my very personal opinion, are the same as meteorite collectors that are interested in collecting names of meteorites like stamps, wishing for a Lunar fall in your back yard, and needing to own a piece of the rock that fell on some anniversary. I'm guilty of all three of the above in addition to possibly more respectable scientific pursuits, plus many of the astrologer things, like being blown away by a beautiful Crescent Moon next to Venus, and getting rambunctious and silly whenever there is a full Moon blazing above a country horizon. It's easy for city folk to laugh at that under muddied skies they've made - when they can't see the mountains or building five kilometers away, but astrology has a very interesting history and we don't have to be so harsh on the poor teacher who was set up by the naughty author of the article. After all, it is what is in her heart that counts ... and how well she motivates her kids to reach out ... something she seems to be doing well judging by the comments ... Or did the IAU in their in-your-face wisdom just outlaw astrologers, too? Best wishes, Doug -Original Message- From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 1:57 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sigh On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:41:40 -0700 (MST), you wrote: I will be there and will be presenting as a scientist and science educator. I hope to write this up as an article for the November issue of Meteorite. Hopefully, your audience will include science teachers who know the difference between astronomy and astrology. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sigh
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:48:04 -0400, you wrote: And besides, some of the greatest astronomers of all time were astrologers, and the entire Cristian faith justified its begining with an astrological signal among the WISE MEN ... a.k.a. ASTROLOGERS. To them we owe our early understanding of the heavens and plenty more. Believing in incorrect theories in the absence of enough evidence is one thing-- cointinuing to believe in faulty theories even in the face of knowledge is a world of difference. 15th century astrologers I have no problem with. 21st century astrologers get nothing but the deepest scorn and contempt from me. Let me be even more blunt-- anyone in any modern, industrial country with access to a decent education who believes in astrology is a f*g nitwit. (I could say similar things about another of your examples, but don't want to open THAT can of worms). Or did the IAU in their in-your-face wisdom just outlaw astrologers, too? If they do, I'll chip in for some barbed wire to go around the internment center. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites now Available
Hi All, I followed Doug's suggestions and recieved a very apologetic email from Amazon. They subtracted the credit amount again so that I'll pay $25.05 whenever the book arrives. The rep advised that they are trying very hard to fill my order and if a shipment comes in they will ship a copy to me even if the estimated ship date has not arrived. I'm betting on the last week of July. Hey , maybe we can have a pool ! Best regards, Charley Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants ! Hannibal Michael Sandy wrote: Hi All, I got the same message from Amazon on the 14th of June and did nothing - I received my copy of the book from Amazon on Saturday (June 21) and was charged $26.37 (with no shipping costs). Nice book! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charley Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 9:32 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites now Available Hi all, I ordered mine on Amazon.com when Mike first alerted the list (April 15) that the book was soon to be available. The cost was to be $25.05 (including free shipping and the pre-order discount) . About a week and a half ago I received an email from Amazon telling me that there was a delay and asking me to respond if I was still interested. I responded in the affirmative and later received an email from Amazon that the new expected date was in late July. I just visited my Amazon order page and it shows that the anticipated shipping date is July 21 (and my pre-order discount has disappeared). Clicking on the book title takes me to the book description page where it is noted that the book is temporarily out of stock. Apparently Amazon is confused. Anyway, I've waited 2 months already so what is another month? It would be interesting to know if anyone actually receives the book before July 21. Best regards, Charley Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants ! Hannibal __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sigh
Well Darren, to say it more diplomatically, the astrology of 20th and 21th century hasn't much to do with the astrology of the 3000 years before. Until the early modern period there was no distinction between astronomy and astrology. Today's astrology is a compared to old astrology extremely truncated, a poor knock-off. The psychological interpretation and style, the reduction to personal fates is a completely new invention. ...as well as the adding of the modern planets Uranus, Neptun and plutoid Pluto (linguistic accident, what IAU produced there. Earthids Earth, Mercury, Mars and Venus. Jupiteroid, Iovid Jupiter, Saturn...)and their attributes. Hey, I saw even horoscopes integrating Vesta! Well the combination of the attributes of the classic planets, cold - hot, fast - slow, dry - wet, was given by the distance of the spheres, S imagine now, one would use all the tens of thousands of known objects from the asteroid belt for a horoscope! Because they have more or less the same distances they would have all the same astrological properties and effects, and they are quite even distributed in the plane of ecliptic, moving with similar speeds. Therefore no matter for which point of time or place of birth, and because the thousands of asteroids would outweigh the few other planets, - each and every horoscope would be absolutely uniform and the same! And astrologist would be an even more comfort job, hehe... What I wanted to say, the only justification astrology could have, is the tradition and its history, but modern astrology had negated this only straws. And if someone, as it happened here in Europe, is just taking a very few rules from an old Greco-islamic astrology manual, like you can find it in the manuscripts collections of each university, and sells them in books as an immemorial secret of old mountain farmers in some forgotten Tyrolean valleys living with the Moon, to become a millionaire, Then I'd say: It's a Big Cheat! Best! Martin PS: Who will be soon the astrologer of the inhabitants of the arctic circles. (Cause, hehe, if you take the method of Regiomontanus to draw the great circles of the houses, there aren't directly many left for people born in the high North or deep South - and they have all the same astrological fate!) PPS: Doug, I guess minimum 90% of all astrologers wouldn't be able to identify the ecliptic, or even the major planets on the night sky. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Darren Garrison Gesendet: Montag, 23. Juni 2008 23:40 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Sigh On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:48:04 -0400, you wrote: And besides, some of the greatest astronomers of all time were astrologers, and the entire Cristian faith justified its begining with an astrological signal among the WISE MEN ... a.k.a. ASTROLOGERS. To them we owe our early understanding of the heavens and plenty more. Believing in incorrect theories in the absence of enough evidence is one thing-- cointinuing to believe in faulty theories even in the face of knowledge is a world of difference. 15th century astrologers I have no problem with. 21st century astrologers get nothing but the deepest scorn and contempt from me. Let me be even more blunt-- anyone in any modern, industrial country with access to a decent education who believes in astrology is a f*g nitwit. (I could say similar things about another of your examples, but don't want to open THAT can of worms). Or did the IAU in their in-your-face wisdom just outlaw astrologers, too? If they do, I'll chip in for some barbed wire to go around the internment center. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Call for Articles for the November issue ofMeteorite magazine
Hi Greg: LRO and/or LCROSS I think would be of interest to the readership. Are you offering to write something? Thanks for astrocast, etc. Larry On Mon, June 23, 2008 3:59 pm, Greg Redfern wrote: A bit off topicLRO/LCROSS mission to the Moon??? Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Call for Articles for the November issue ofMeteorite magazine Hello Everyone: Happy Summer Solstice! We hope that you enjoyed the May issue of Meteorite. We have just finished editing the August issue. The articles that are in the queue are all very interesting and I am sure you will enjoy them. Some articles are from long-time authors and others are from first or second time authors. Now, guess what? Yes, it is that time again! It is time to start thinking about writing an article for the November issue of Meteorite. The next deadline is August 18. Just in time to tell us about your summer meteorite hunts, your summer reading (a book review), etc. There are a number of you who put off submitting articles, so I will be getting back to you very soon. Articles can be anywhere from about 1,000 words up to 2,500 words (or a little longer) with 4 or 5 pictures. A good picture might even make it to the cover! We also welcome book reviews and letters to the editors. Please consider writing an article. If you are not sure, contact us! We hope to hear from you soon. Larry and Nancy Lebofsky Editors, Meteorite magazine __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Call for Articles for the November issue ofMeteorite magazine
Hi Larry, Yes I am. I am supporting both missions as an SSA and I have already written a feature article for Sky Telescope Magazine that will be in their November issue. I have enough research material and pics to write another original LRO/LCROSS story for Meteorite if you so desire. All the best, Greg Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:01 PM To: Greg Redfern Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Call for Articles for the November issue ofMeteorite magazine Hi Greg: LRO and/or LCROSS I think would be of interest to the readership. Are you offering to write something? Thanks for astrocast, etc. Larry On Mon, June 23, 2008 3:59 pm, Greg Redfern wrote: A bit off topicLRO/LCROSS mission to the Moon??? Greg Redfern NASA JPL Solar System Ambassador http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html WHAT'S UP?: THE SPACE PLACE http://www.wtopnews.com/?sid=600113nid=421 ASTROCAST http://astrocast.tv/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Call for Articles for the November issue ofMeteorite magazine Hello Everyone: Happy Summer Solstice! We hope that you enjoyed the May issue of Meteorite. We have just finished editing the August issue. The articles that are in the queue are all very interesting and I am sure you will enjoy them. Some articles are from long-time authors and others are from first or second time authors. Now, guess what? Yes, it is that time again! It is time to start thinking about writing an article for the November issue of Meteorite. The next deadline is August 18. Just in time to tell us about your summer meteorite hunts, your summer reading (a book review), etc. There are a number of you who put off submitting articles, so I will be getting back to you very soon. Articles can be anywhere from about 1,000 words up to 2,500 words (or a little longer) with 4 or 5 pictures. A good picture might even make it to the cover! We also welcome book reviews and letters to the editors. Please consider writing an article. If you are not sure, contact us! We hope to hear from you soon. Larry and Nancy Lebofsky Editors, Meteorite magazine __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lighten up, it's just semantics
On Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:34:23 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: Life is too short to get bent out of shape over such things. Okay, which massively popular antiscientific, antieducational idiocies is it okay to get bent out of shape of, and which should be simply allowed to fester like the oozing diseases that they are? Why is it so bad to wish-- with the vast amounts of information available to hundreds of millions of the world's population at a few keystrokes-- that the majority of those people still didn't have the intellectual depth beyond that of a medieval pesant? In an age when there is far more information available to far more people than at any other time in human history, most people choose to be barely literate twits. Shouldn't that bend one out of shape? Would not the world be much better off if more people with access to an education choose to educate themselves? People living in horrible conditions in horrible thrid world countries I can excuse for still living in superstition and ignorance. People that live in rich first world countries have no excuse. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2008 - new photos
great photos Hanno, thanks for sharing! Svend www.meteorite-recon.com - Hello list, here are my photos from the Ensisheim show last weekend. As usual we had a great time there, that´s what the photos confirm. I met many new people this year that start to collect meteorites. You will find the pictures on my new homepage at http://www.strufe.net go with your mouse cursor on the top at “Foto-Galerien” and the sign for Ensisheim 2008 is coming up, there you see the 5 pages on the right with the photos or copy the following link into your browser http://www.strufe.net/0334af9a5a0cf8e1d/0334af9aa309ad327/0334af9aa309bf62c/in dex.html Best regards Hanno Strufe Langenbergstrasse 32 66954 Pirmasens Germany Phone + Fax: +49 6331 225 105 www.strufe.net IMCA #4267 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- www.meteorite-recon.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lighten up, it's just semantics OT Hoot
Well I can see that Garrison's house is in Mars with a Bad Moon is rising. Too bad the demoted Pluto is no longer influencing the encirclement of Saturn thus giving rise to an opening for a a negative ancillary vibration bouncing off Venus... Elton OK I am but a novice astro-logger and could never hope to be as accomplished as the following expert. This posting was made to a ahem..scientific list elsewhere regarding Dolphins beaching themselves: (Notice the dates mentioned June 21-22 came and went without the headlines forecasted) Astrologically, this tags well with transiting Uranus ruler of the brainy sign of Aquarius (a human sign and an Air sign) currently in Pisces (the most fishy of the Water signs) recently under multiple squares from the faster moving planets now in (Tropical) Gemini, an Air sign that is also a human sign. Indeed transiting Mercury for the last couple of weeks and until past the first week of July is in stationary (currently retrograde) square with said Uranus in Pisces and now Venus and the Sun aligned in geocentric conjunction also are in tight squares with said Uranus in Pisces. It's noteworthy to add that this currently partiling transiting Sun Venus conjunction in Gemini square transiting Uranus in Pisces is in the same degree where in the root US horoscope (Declaration of Independence chart) Mars occupies in Gemini. This relates to recent accusations published yesterday involving obvious evidence of navy sonar connection with some of these marine mammals' casualties. At birth (Independence chart) the USA has a tight Mars Neptune square. So the recent arrival of transiting Uranus in Pisces to square US Mars in Gemini implies this transiting Uranus in Pisces arriving for months of opposition US Neptune in Virgo too!. Also related is the current opposition of transiting Mars (a natural malefic) in Leo to transiting Neptune in Aquarius. This orb is still widely applicative clearly predicting that there will soon be an all time boost to the numbers of these marine mammals losing their higher faculties. What we have currently is the Mars/Saturn midpoint (the proverbial malefics) exact opposition Neptune (ruler of the oceans); but Mars is heading towards this opposition Neptune itself now partiling (turning exact its orb of 180 degrees defining the opposition aspect) in 10 more days, on June 21 when many more casualties in the sea will make the headlines. The Moon joins the opposition conjoining Neptune in Aquarius both opposition Mars in Leo. This will be the historical climacteric peak of major ocean catastrophes: this coming June 22. Thanks for your keen and kind attention. stay fine Gonzo ( a Ph.D in the 21st Century) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
