[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 15, 2009
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[meteorite-list] IMCA The Encyclopedia of Meteorites
Dear List Members, Some weeks ago there have been a lot of questions on this list regarding the Encyclopedia of Meteorites and the IMCA as its new owner. Sorry it took so long to reply, but we had to get everything straight with the EoM, first, and now we are ready to answer all the questions. Please have a look at our current IMCA Insights, March 2009, which answers most of the questions we received: http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_wrapperItemid=159 If you are using a monitor with a 800x600 resolution please use this version: http://imca.cc/insights/2009/IMCA-Insights03.htm I hope this helps. If you have additional questions please contact us at questi...@imca.cc and we will get back to you, ASAP. All the best, Norbert Classen President IMCA Inc. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] Michael Bross
Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net Subject: [meteorite-list] Iridium (+ Osmium ? + Technetium ?) measuring and testing Michael; Welcome to the list,i look forward to your posts and hope you enjoy all the other posts and great info.,offers to sell meteorites and just good meteorite conversations,OH,and the great pictures posted by Michael Johnson to this list.Have fun! Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770 **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post
Hello to all, I've tried to post on here over a year ago and couldn't get any thru. Thanks Steve Dunklee for the advice. My problem was different, but you inspired me to work on it again. gmail has a tab you must click to send messages as plain text. OK METEORITES. I probably got the bug the same way many of you did, watching a show with Robert Haag searching for the Tucson Meteorite. This was many years ago, and thanks a lot Robert if you read this. I hope your HAPPY! You've created a brand new Addiction all on your own! Soon after this I purchased O Richard Nortons book Rocks From Space. Great book, but guess what! I found out I lived only 5 miles from Richard and Dorthy Norton!. I found myself soon sitting at the kitchen table looking at thin sections with Richard, and learning all about chondrules, etc. What a treat!! He told me all about the field of meteoritics, and this pushed me over the edge. I have a serious problem when it comes to meteorites. I'm a bit of a freak I suppose,... I take meteorites with me wherever I go, I buy meteorites for less than their worth, more than their worth, give them to strangers, and pass them out at star parties to the children. I constantly think about all the different ways to include them in my life, process them, preserve them, make things from them, hunting for them, e-bay etc. Its a wonder I get anything done at all! Took a trip to Florida in 2003, went to Kennedy Space Center, and purchased my 1st meteorite. About 40 grams on Nantan crust for only $40!! How funny! I was ( and still am ) so happy to have my Nantan crust rust. ( No I don't want to buy any more @ $1 gram, but thanks ) I did go back in 2004 and buy another piece however. Oct, 2007 found me heading to Arizona, (I live in Bend Oregon) what a ride! I spent 4 month there hunting meteorites, and purchasing whenever possible. Made my 1st trip to meteor crater, UN believable experience! Met all the guys from Morocco, and purchased several kilo's NWA, a few kilos here a few kilos there. Spent most of my time in Quartzsite working (I have a mobile RV service business) and playing. In quartzsite I met a guy who many of you know I'm sure who brings us the Campo's. I spent nearly every spare moment working on, and discussing meteorite hunting, preservation, future searches for the Esquel Palllasite etc. and a BBQ almost every night. Ended up with Campo's running out my ears! Then my new friend had to go to Tucson,... how sad I had to stay and work. Well he called me several times from there, and made several nice purchases for me, some of these were purchased from list members. #1 I got the nice big Brenham slice, with the L.A. Times newspaper, thanks Steve Arnold, I love it! #2 I got a big 12 kilo complete oriented chondrite, I think it came from Mohammad, but not sure #3 I got a 1 kilo Seymchan, and small 40 gram slice from one of you guys. and several other smaller pieces, thanks everyone. I vowed to make it to Tucson in 2009. I kept that vow...WOW! Even before I went, I had the pleasure to meet Ruben in Quartzsite, and be in one of his videos. Oh yea! I forgot, I found a 40 plus gram chondrite in the Quartzsite area. My 1st find, I GPS the coordinates, and photo in situ, etc. My friend Mark and I had walked for a hundred miles before we found it. How cool it wasand Ruben videoed it with his new HD camera, and stuck it on You Tube. SO COOL, thanks Ruben! Then Tucson: Oh boy..the post is getting long, sorry so exited to post.be calm, breath...OK 1st stop, the Ramada, and got 8 kilo chondrites from a nice boy from Morocco for REALLY cheap! then to the Days Inn and found my Campo connection, visited a bit, then Steve Arnold walked up and I got to meet him! Almost peed my pants! Then got oriented, found a place to park for the day, and headed to Inn Suites. Here I met Marvin Kilgore, ( again nearly peed) what a nice guy! purchased his book, and talked meteorites for an hour or so, met his nice wife Kitty and got some pictures. thanks Marvin and Kitty. Then met Bruno Fectay and Corine Bidaut, SUPER nice people. Checked out their Mars rock Chassignite, nice..and took their picture! Thanks. Then found Mike Farmers booth, WOW how cool is that! What a display! The work involved just setting up these rooms must take days. There were a ton of people in the room, but Mike went out of his way to help me, and was REALLY nice to me. Thanks Mike. Then found the Steve Arnold, Geoff Nottkin Room and met Steve again. I got a picture of me and Steve holding up a big Brenham. NICE. Thanks Steve. Well, before it was over I ended up at the Harvey Awards, and birthday party, and met too many more cool people to list. Even got Rober Haags picture, (poor guy was being pestered to death, so I didn't meet him, last I saw he was running for the back door exclaiming holy shit!). Had a great time, and met tons of great people, and went home with many more kilos of
Re: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post
Welcome to the list Bill! Great post! You'll find a lot of great people on here and I'm sure you have much to contribute yourself. It seems you've been bitten hard by the meteorite bug and are fully addicted. AWESOME! Great ain't it?! ;) Saw the video of your new find. Great Job! Congratulations! Ruben's a great guy and is always a big help, that's just who he is. Again welcome and enjoy the list. I look forward to your posts. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA P.S. I love Bend! Great little town and centrally located for easy access to anywhere in Oregon. It's been 10 years since I've been there but I loved it! Beautiful country up there. Bill Hall wrote: Hello to all, I've tried to post on here over a year ago and couldn't get any thru. Thanks Steve Dunklee for the advice. My problem was different, but you inspired me to work on it again. gmail has a tab you must click to send messages as plain text. OK METEORITES. I probably got the bug the same way many of you did, watching a show with Robert Haag searching for the Tucson Meteorite. This was many years ago, and thanks a lot Robert if you read this. I hope your HAPPY! You've created a brand new Addiction all on your own! Soon after this I purchased O Richard Nortons book Rocks From Space. Great book, but guess what! I found out I lived only 5 miles from Richard and Dorthy Norton!. I found myself soon sitting at the kitchen table looking at thin sections with Richard, and learning all about chondrules, etc. What a treat!! He told me all about the field of meteoritics, and this pushed me over the edge. I have a serious problem when it comes to meteorites. I'm a bit of a freak I suppose,... I take meteorites with me wherever I go, I buy meteorites for less than their worth, more than their worth, give them to strangers, and pass them out at star parties to the children. I constantly think about all the different ways to include them in my life, process them, preserve them, make things from them, hunting for them, e-bay etc. Its a wonder I get anything done at all! Took a trip to Florida in 2003, went to Kennedy Space Center, and purchased my 1st meteorite. About 40 grams on Nantan crust for only $40!! How funny! I was ( and still am ) so happy to have my Nantan crust rust. ( No I don't want to buy any more @ $1 gram, but thanks ) I did go back in 2004 and buy another piece however. Oct, 2007 found me heading to Arizona, (I live in Bend Oregon) what a ride! I spent 4 month there hunting meteorites, and purchasing whenever possible. Made my 1st trip to meteor crater, UN believable experience! Met all the guys from Morocco, and purchased several kilo's NWA, a few kilos here a few kilos there. Spent most of my time in Quartzsite working (I have a mobile RV service business) and playing. In quartzsite I met a guy who many of you know I'm sure who brings us the Campo's. I spent nearly every spare moment working on, and discussing meteorite hunting, preservation, future searches for the Esquel Palllasite etc. and a BBQ almost every night. Ended up with Campo's running out my ears! Then my new friend had to go to Tucson,... how sad I had to stay and work. Well he called me several times from there, and made several nice purchases for me, some of these were purchased from list members. #1 I got the nice big Brenham slice, with the L.A. Times newspaper, thanks Steve Arnold, I love it! #2 I got a big 12 kilo complete oriented chondrite, I think it came from Mohammad, but not sure #3 I got a 1 kilo Seymchan, and small 40 gram slice from one of you guys. and several other smaller pieces, thanks everyone. I vowed to make it to Tucson in 2009. I kept that vow...WOW! Even before I went, I had the pleasure to meet Ruben in Quartzsite, and be in one of his videos. Oh yea! I forgot, I found a 40 plus gram chondrite in the Quartzsite area. My 1st find, I GPS the coordinates, and photo in situ, etc. My friend Mark and I had walked for a hundred miles before we found it. How cool it wasand Ruben videoed it with his new HD camera, and stuck it on You Tube. SO COOL, thanks Ruben! Then Tucson: Oh boy..the post is getting long, sorry so exited to post.be calm, breath...OK 1st stop, the Ramada, and got 8 kilo chondrites from a nice boy from Morocco for REALLY cheap! then to the Days Inn and found my Campo connection, visited a bit, then Steve Arnold walked up and I got to meet him! Almost peed my pants! Then got oriented, found a place to park for the day, and headed to Inn Suites. Here I met Marvin Kilgore, ( again nearly peed) what a nice guy! purchased his book, and talked meteorites for an hour or so, met his nice wife Kitty and got some pictures. thanks Marvin and Kitty. Then met Bruno Fectay and Corine Bidaut, SUPER nice people. Checked out their Mars rock Chassignite, nice..and took their picture! Thanks. Then found Mike Farmers booth, WOW how cool is that! What a display! The work involved
Re: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post
Hi, Wow, you've got it bad!!! Just kidding Bill. It was great to meet you too and a pleasure to add you and your find to my Quartzite video. You are just the kind of guy we like on this forum: excited, polite and articulate! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Bill Hall meteorit...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bill Hall meteorit...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:18 AM Hello to all, I've tried to post on here over a year ago and couldn't get any thru. Thanks Steve Dunklee for the advice. My problem was different, but you inspired me to work on it again. gmail has a tab you must click to send messages as plain text. OK METEORITES. I probably got the bug the same way many of you did, watching a show with Robert Haag searching for the Tucson Meteorite. This was many years ago, and thanks a lot Robert if you read this. I hope your HAPPY! You've created a brand new Addiction all on your own! Soon after this I purchased O Richard Nortons book Rocks From Space. Great book, but guess what! I found out I lived only 5 miles from Richard and Dorthy Norton!. I found myself soon sitting at the kitchen table looking at thin sections with Richard, and learning all about chondrules, etc. What a treat!! He told me all about the field of meteoritics, and this pushed me over the edge. I have a serious problem when it comes to meteorites. I'm a bit of a freak I suppose,... I take meteorites with me wherever I go, I buy meteorites for less than their worth, more than their worth, give them to strangers, and pass them out at star parties to the children. I constantly think about all the different ways to include them in my life, process them, preserve them, make things from them, hunting for them, e-bay etc. Its a wonder I get anything done at all! Took a trip to Florida in 2003, went to Kennedy Space Center, and purchased my 1st meteorite. About 40 grams on Nantan crust for only $40!! How funny! I was ( and still am ) so happy to have my Nantan crust rust. ( No I don't want to buy any more @ $1 gram, but thanks ) I did go back in 2004 and buy another piece however. Oct, 2007 found me heading to Arizona, (I live in Bend Oregon) what a ride! I spent 4 month there hunting meteorites, and purchasing whenever possible. Made my 1st trip to meteor crater, UN believable experience! Met all the guys from Morocco, and purchased several kilo's NWA, a few kilos here a few kilos there. Spent most of my time in Quartzsite working (I have a mobile RV service business) and playing. In quartzsite I met a guy who many of you know I'm sure who brings us the Campo's. I spent nearly every spare moment working on, and discussing meteorite hunting, preservation, future searches for the Esquel Palllasite etc. and a BBQ almost every night. Ended up with Campo's running out my ears! Then my new friend had to go to Tucson,... how sad I had to stay and work. Well he called me several times from there, and made several nice purchases for me, some of these were purchased from list members. #1 I got the nice big Brenham slice, with the L.A. Times newspaper, thanks Steve Arnold, I love it! #2 I got a big 12 kilo complete oriented chondrite, I think it came from Mohammad, but not sure #3 I got a 1 kilo Seymchan, and small 40 gram slice from one of you guys. and several other smaller pieces, thanks everyone. I vowed to make it to Tucson in 2009. I kept that vow...WOW! Even before I went, I had the pleasure to meet Ruben in Quartzsite, and be in one of his videos. Oh yea! I forgot, I found a 40 plus gram chondrite in the Quartzsite area. My 1st find, I GPS the coordinates, and photo in situ, etc. My friend Mark and I had walked for a hundred miles before we found it. How cool it wasand Ruben videoed it with his new HD camera, and stuck it on You Tube. SO COOL, thanks Ruben! Then Tucson: Oh boy..the post is getting long, sorry so exited to post.be calm, breath...OK 1st stop, the Ramada, and got 8 kilo chondrites from a nice boy from Morocco for REALLY cheap! then to the Days Inn and found my Campo connection, visited a bit, then Steve Arnold walked up and I got to meet him! Almost peed my pants! Then got oriented, found a place to park for the day, and headed to Inn Suites. Here I met Marvin Kilgore, ( again nearly peed) what a nice guy! purchased his book, and talked meteorites for an hour or so, met his nice wife Kitty and got some pictures. thanks Marvin and Kitty. Then met Bruno Fectay and Corine Bidaut, SUPER nice people. Checked out their Mars rock Chassignite, nice..and took their picture! Thanks.
Re: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post
Welcome, Bill, You might as well go ahead and read this from Tim's site: http://www.meteorman.org/Meteorite_Creed.htm. All best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Heitz Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:02 PM To: Bill Hall; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post Hello Bill, I got the bug just like you. I even started selling to support my habit and only for that reason. http://www.meteorman.org/ My story http://www.meteorman.org/Meteorite_Times_Tim_Heitz.pdf Thanks, Tim Heitz - Original Message - From: Bill Hall meteorit...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post Hello to all, I've tried to post on here over a year ago and couldn't get any thru. Thanks Steve Dunklee for the advice. My problem was different, but you inspired me to work on it again. gmail has a tab you must click to send messages as plain text. OK METEORITES. I probably got the bug the same way many of you did, watching a show with Robert Haag searching for the Tucson Meteorite. This was many years ago, and thanks a lot Robert if you read this. I hope your HAPPY! You've created a brand new Addiction all on your own! Soon after this I purchased O Richard Nortons book Rocks From Space. Great book, but guess what! I found out I lived only 5 miles from Richard and Dorthy Norton!. I found myself soon sitting at the kitchen table looking at thin sections with Richard, and learning all about chondrules, etc. What a treat!! He told me all about the field of meteoritics, and this pushed me over the edge. I have a serious problem when it comes to meteorites. I'm a bit of a freak I suppose,... I take meteorites with me wherever I go, I buy meteorites for less than their worth, more than their worth, give them to strangers, and pass them out at star parties to the children. I constantly think about all the different ways to include them in my life, process them, preserve them, make things from them, hunting for them, e-bay etc. Its a wonder I get anything done at all! Took a trip to Florida in 2003, went to Kennedy Space Center, and purchased my 1st meteorite. About 40 grams on Nantan crust for only $40!! How funny! I was ( and still am ) so happy to have my Nantan crust rust. ( No I don't want to buy any more @ $1 gram, but thanks ) I did go back in 2004 and buy another piece however. Oct, 2007 found me heading to Arizona, (I live in Bend Oregon) what a ride! I spent 4 month there hunting meteorites, and purchasing whenever possible. Made my 1st trip to meteor crater, UN believable experience! Met all the guys from Morocco, and purchased several kilo's NWA, a few kilos here a few kilos there. Spent most of my time in Quartzsite working (I have a mobile RV service business) and playing. In quartzsite I met a guy who many of you know I'm sure who brings us the Campo's. I spent nearly every spare moment working on, and discussing meteorite hunting, preservation, future searches for the Esquel Palllasite etc. and a BBQ almost every night. Ended up with Campo's running out my ears! Then my new friend had to go to Tucson,... how sad I had to stay and work. Well he called me several times from there, and made several nice purchases for me, some of these were purchased from list members. #1 I got the nice big Brenham slice, with the L.A. Times newspaper, thanks Steve Arnold, I love it! #2 I got a big 12 kilo complete oriented chondrite, I think it came from Mohammad, but not sure #3 I got a 1 kilo Seymchan, and small 40 gram slice from one of you guys. and several other smaller pieces, thanks everyone. I vowed to make it to Tucson in 2009. I kept that vow...WOW! Even before I went, I had the pleasure to meet Ruben in Quartzsite, and be in one of his videos. Oh yea! I forgot, I found a 40 plus gram chondrite in the Quartzsite area. My 1st find, I GPS the coordinates, and photo in situ, etc. My friend Mark and I had walked for a hundred miles before we found it. How cool it wasand Ruben videoed it with his new HD camera, and stuck it on You Tube. SO COOL, thanks Ruben! Then Tucson: Oh boy..the post is getting long, sorry so exited to post.be calm, breath...OK 1st stop, the Ramada, and got 8 kilo chondrites from a nice boy from Morocco for REALLY cheap! then to the Days Inn and found my Campo connection, visited a bit, then Steve Arnold walked up and I got to meet him! Almost peed my pants! Then got oriented, found a place to park for the day, and headed to Inn Suites. Here I met Marvin Kilgore, ( again nearly peed) what a nice guy! purchased his book, and talked meteorites for an hour or so, met his nice wife Kitty and got
[meteorite-list] (AD) 2 METEORITES FORSALE
Hi list.I have 2 meteorites forsale.I have a 850 gram endcut of the campo silicated iron.Very stable piece.Most of the silicated pieces are.$300 for that.And I still have the 360 gram campo with a 1.5 cm impact crater.$200.Both have free shipping.Off list please. Steve R.Arnold No#1!,Chicago! a rel=nofollow/a __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post
Thanks to all, It will take me a while to figure out how to reply to everyone in the proper manner( I know what I want to say just need to get used to the process). For now thanks to those who replied to my post as well as those who will no doubt welcome me in the next few days. It is greatly appreciated to be accepted into a group like yours. Rubens statement about my being articulate is strange, as I am terrible with my grammar, (but thanks Ruben!) Thanks again to all, Bill Hall . __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post
Bill, Thanks. Your post warmed my heart, (even here in Africa 2 degrees south of the very hot humid meteorite-destroying equator!). Welcome! You are our kind of person. And to all of you that made Tucson and West, TX, thanks for your posts. They hurt very very bad/good. We missed both so much, and envied you all that made them! Cheers, Norm (http://tektitesource.com) --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Bill Hall meteorit...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bill Hall meteorit...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:18 AM Hello to all, I've tried to post on here over a year ago and couldn't get any thru. Thanks Steve Dunklee for the advice. My problem was different, but you inspired me to work on it again. gmail has a tab you must click to send messages as plain text. OK METEORITES. I probably got the bug the same way many of you did, watching a show with Robert Haag searching for the Tucson Meteorite. This was many years ago, and thanks a lot Robert if you read this. I hope your HAPPY! You've created a brand new Addiction all on your own! Soon after this I purchased O Richard Nortons book Rocks From Space. Great book, but guess what! I found out I lived only 5 miles from Richard and Dorthy Norton!. I found myself soon sitting at the kitchen table looking at thin sections with Richard, and learning all about chondrules, etc. What a treat!! He told me all about the field of meteoritics, and this pushed me over the edge. I have a serious problem when it comes to meteorites. I'm a bit of a freak I suppose,... I take meteorites with me wherever I go, I buy meteorites for less than their worth, more than their worth, give them to strangers, and pass them out at star parties to the children. I constantly think about all the different ways to include them in my life, process them, preserve them, make things from them, hunting for them, e-bay etc. Its a wonder I get anything done at all! Took a trip to Florida in 2003, went to Kennedy Space Center, and purchased my 1st meteorite. About 40 grams on Nantan crust for only $40!! How funny! I was ( and still am ) so happy to have my Nantan crust rust. ( No I don't want to buy any more @ $1 gram, but thanks ) I did go back in 2004 and buy another piece however. Oct, 2007 found me heading to Arizona, (I live in Bend Oregon) what a ride! I spent 4 month there hunting meteorites, and purchasing whenever possible. Made my 1st trip to meteor crater, UN believable experience! Met all the guys from Morocco, and purchased several kilo's NWA, a few kilos here a few kilos there. Spent most of my time in Quartzsite working (I have a mobile RV service business) and playing. In quartzsite I met a guy who many of you know I'm sure who brings us the Campo's. I spent nearly every spare moment working on, and discussing meteorite hunting, preservation, future searches for the Esquel Palllasite etc. and a BBQ almost every night. Ended up with Campo's running out my ears! Then my new friend had to go to Tucson,... how sad I had to stay and work. Well he called me several times from there, and made several nice purchases for me, some of these were purchased from list members. #1 I got the nice big Brenham slice, with the L.A. Times newspaper, thanks Steve Arnold, I love it! #2 I got a big 12 kilo complete oriented chondrite, I think it came from Mohammad, but not sure #3 I got a 1 kilo Seymchan, and small 40 gram slice from one of you guys. and several other smaller pieces, thanks everyone. I vowed to make it to Tucson in 2009. I kept that vow...WOW! Even before I went, I had the pleasure to meet Ruben in Quartzsite, and be in one of his videos. Oh yea! I forgot, I found a 40 plus gram chondrite in the Quartzsite area. My 1st find, I GPS the coordinates, and photo in situ, etc. My friend Mark and I had walked for a hundred miles before we found it. How cool it wasand Ruben videoed it with his new HD camera, and stuck it on You Tube. SO COOL, thanks Ruben! Then Tucson: Oh boy..the post is getting long, sorry so exited to post.be calm, breath...OK 1st stop, the Ramada, and got 8 kilo chondrites from a nice boy from Morocco for REALLY cheap! then to the Days Inn and found my Campo connection, visited a bit, then Steve Arnold walked up and I got to meet him! Almost peed my pants! Then got oriented, found a place to park for the day, and headed to Inn Suites. Here I met Marvin Kilgore, ( again nearly peed) what a nice guy! purchased his book, and talked meteorites for an hour or so, met his nice wife Kitty and got some pictures. thanks Marvin and Kitty. Then met Bruno Fectay and Corine Bidaut, SUPER nice people. Checked out their Mars rock Chassignite, nice..and took their picture! Thanks. Then found Mike
[meteorite-list] AD Carancas
Large Carancas on ebay ending tody. Please check it out. Thanks. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=280321688274 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] PALLASITE SLICE WANTED
NOTICE: Mt. San Antonio College is interested in purchasing a pallasite for student display. Please note the following: Amounted budgeted is $500.00 only (tax and shipping many be added as applicable). No preference as to which find is offered as long as it is a stable piece. Preferably, a thin slice is wanted, finishing to a fine polish on on one-side at least, but a poor, scratched, uneven, rusty, fissured, or otherwise unsatisfactory piece will not be accepted. 30 day guarantee is required. We reserve the right to inspect prior to acceptance and to return any unsatisfactory piece. Please submit offers to: Ron Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net Notification of the accepted offer will be made by Mt. San Antonio College. Offer of acceptance will be made within one week. We regret we may not be able to respond to offers that are rejected. Purchase will be made on a Mt. San Antonio College Purchase Order and seller must Invoice the college. Thank You. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tektites
Hi I just read Bill's post about Plain Text. So this is how you post to the Meteorite List! I gave up trying to post ages ago as my posts never got through! I thought it was because I didn't live in America! Whats New? http://www.tektites.co.uk/whats-new.html Recently I've written about the largest tektites in the world (I need you help!), about Vietnam tektites and done some You Tube videos - my first attempt! Also check out my Indochinite and Philippinite formation pages! http://www.tektites.co.uk/indochinites.html and http://www.tektites.co.uk/philippinites.html Loads of other tektite pages too! Also I apologise in advance about any delay in replies. I'm in the Persian Gulf on a satellite connection. Thanks, Aubrey Whymark www.tektites.co.uk __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
Hi Mike and list, I don't know who Teddy is, but the way I saw it was that he was just trying to help since nobody else was publicly pulling the stone count data together into a centralized place. We would all see the numerous e-mails that said Rob found x stones, then another that said Ruben found y stones, etc. But it would be easy to miss one of the emails, and most of us don't have time to compile the info ourselves. Maybe someone was already doing that behind the scenes without the list knowing about it, or maybe not. I just thought that it was nice of Teddy to take the initiative to do it. Did he have some other motive? Who knows! But I don't see what he could've gotten from doing this besides a thank you and maybe his name credited at the end of an official report. On a slightly different tangent, I wanted to say thanks to you and all of the people who did all of the walking of the fields to rescue as many of the West meteorites as possible. Thanks and regards, Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:39 PM To: Meteorite List; Notkin Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ? Geoff Perhaps you are mistaken in you assumptions. I along with Robert Woolard asked for that data at first so that the article in Meteorite Magazine could be written with as much up-to-date information as possible as we were on an extremely tight time limit. We got no response from several people, and merely asked several times. I have all data from the people I was working with, and as I said earlier, there was no need to provide daily additions until we are finished hunting. I saw 5 more stones found today, I found one of them. The people I named were already gone from the field so their totals would be final or nearly so. As far as Teddy goes. I am a little interested how a person who is absolutely unknown, and who has never posted a single post to the list suddenly came to be 48 hours ago and is now the point man for West field work. Using a GMAIL account and appearing out of nowhere and getting all of the West data yet nobody knows who he is makes me wonder a few things. Teddy email me your phone number so we can chat, I would like to know who I am reporting data to. I am working on this map, I have about 60% of the known stones and to add your crew's stones would assist not me, but science. So please let me know the totals if possible or they will not be included. There is no problem here, no need to argue over this. Everyone seems to be extremely successful and almost everyone who came found meteorites. Let's finish it up and get the data assembled in the best way possible. Michael Farmer Still in the field, but it looks like heavy rain starting tonight. --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Notkin geok...@notkin.net wrote: From: Notkin geok...@notkin.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ? To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 9:40 AM Michael Farmer wrote: Steve Arnold Notkin Thompson Phillips wesel All are refusing to share a scrap of data Mike Mike: I suggest you get your facts straight before you start accusing my team mates of anything. Rob Wesel, Patrick Thompson, Ruben Garica, Jason Philips, Mike Miller, Steve Arnold, John Sinclair and myself have all already provided our find numbers and weights to Teddy. I'm sure other numbers will be forthcoming when the finders are comfortable with it. As mentioned earlier on the List, we took several guys out with us who found their first meteorite on this trip. We also hunted with some of our gracious landowners and showed them how to find meteorites on their own property, and asked them to let us know if they turned up anything in future. As such, I will not have the great group of people I was hunting with portrayed on the List as uncooperative secret searchers. I notice that your team members Robert and Shauna did not have their totals posted on Teddy's list. Maybe you could devote your energy to collecting data from your own people before complaining about anyone else. It's excellent that detailed find data is being compiled on this fall. This may be the most accurate strewnfield data collected in the US since Jim Kriegh, Twink Monrad, John Blennert and friends mapped Gold Basin in the 1990s. And it would be even better if we could get along while doing it, without pointing fingers. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoriteblog.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) 2 METEORITES FORSALE
I guess you should pay the revenue from that sale for the list-keeper maintaing the list and not kicking you off. Jan 14 - freebie-AD, pre-Tucson Jan 18 - want-AD NWA 869 Jan 23 - freebie-AD Jan 28 - freebie-AD Jan 29 - want_AD El Haggouina Feb 7 - sale-AD Esquel, Tishka Feb 7 -sale-AS another Tishka Feb 8 - sale-Ad Tishka, Esquel Feb 9 - freebie-AD Tishka Feb 9 - sale-AD Tishka Feb 10 - sale-AD Tishka Feb 10 - freebie-AD Peekskill Feb 12 - want-AD oriented NWAs Feb 12 - freebie AD Canyon Dibalo, Odessa, Sikhote Feb 16 - trade-AD Portales Valley Feb 18 - freebie-AD mystery Feb 19 - sale-AD Dong Ujim Qin Qi Feb 22 - freebie-AD: Dong Ujim Qin Qi, unclassified Feb 23 - want-AD West Feb 25 - sale-AD New Concord Feb 26 - sale-AD Karon Feb 28 - want-AD Four Corners March 1 - want-AD West, March 3 - sale-AD NWA 987 March 4 - freebie-AD Vaca Muerta +sorry for the spam March 5 - sale-AD Sikhote + My last add of the month.Promise!! March 11 - sale-AD Sikhote-Alin and Campo March 13 - want-AD oriented NWAs March 15 - sales AD- Campo Makes 29 Ads that year. We are in calendar week N°11 So you next Ad must not appear before July 20. Many thanks for your understanding from me and supposedly quite all of the list members. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von steve arnold Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. März 2009 17:42 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] (AD) 2 METEORITES FORSALE Hi list.I have 2 meteorites forsale.I have a 850 gram endcut of the campo silicated iron.Very stable piece.Most of the silicated pieces are.$300 for that.And I still have the 360 gram campo with a 1.5 cm impact crater.$200.Both have free shipping.Off list please. Steve R.Arnold No#1!,Chicago! a rel=nofollow/a __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) 2 METEORITES FORSALE
I guess you should pay the revenue from that sale for the list-keeper maintaing the list and not kicking you off. I personally don't object to his many ads...he's got some real bargains there. Now if others would post just as good bargains, I'd be favorable towards them too. :O) GeoZay **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions
Hi Michael, I have 10 or 11 DIFFERENT Park Forest hammer stone specimens - Several houses, a Plymouth, a tow truck, a fire station, a baseball Field, a fence, etc. Is a baseball field a human artifact? The bases on the field are, so are the bleachers, chalk lines on the field, etc, but is the grass and dirt? If the grass and dirt are, then so are all of the house lawns across the world since humans planted or landscaped them. I'm not trying to start an argument, but just want to get this loophole closed/clarified for all of the hammer collectors out there. Most of the trees in Phoenix were planted by humans over the last couple hundred years, so if a meteorite hits a tree in Phoenix, would that be considered a hammer stone? I mention Phoenix because that is where I am from and I know that most of the trees are not indigenous to the area (besides the palo verdes, cottonwoods, some of the palms, etc). And yes, many of the palms, palo verdes, etc were also planted/transplanted to their current locations by people, so... Thanks for any clarification to this question. Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:19 PM To: Jeff Grossman; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions Jeff, This has been established in the nomenclature over the Last few years as follows: 1) A hammer is a specimen which was part of a fall in which one or more stones or irons struck an artifact, animal or human 2) A hammer stone is one of the actual specimens of the Fall that, itself, struck said artifact, animal or human. 3) Many specimens are collected as a hammer because they Were part of the fall but did not (or it is not know if they), Themselves strike the artifact/animal or human. 4) Many Hammer falls had only one stone out of many strike Something, but the other stones were all part of that one Meteoroid prior to break up, yes? 5) Of course, a hammer stone, itself is more valuable to a hammer Collector than merely one of the specimens of the fall (I have 10 or 11 DIFFERENT Park Forest hammer stone specimens - Several houses, a Plymouth, a tow truck, a fire station, a baseball Field, a fence, etc. 6) I have little interest in collecting Homestead as a hammer, except Spcimens cut from the one stone that broke the horse corral fence. Pretty much, in other words, if you are a hammer enthusiast, Ya takes what cha can git. Best wishes, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:35:29 -0600, you wrote: Is a baseball field a human artifact? The bases on the field are, so are the bleachers, chalk lines on the field, etc, but is the grass and dirt? If the grass and dirt are, then so are all of the house lawns across the world since humans planted or landscaped them. Yes, every place kept with a cover of grass which would, when left to nature, revert to forest in just a few years is an artificially maintained, unnatural human artifact. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull
Hi Bob... Bomb blasts were introduced as a way of ramping into a discussion of shock waves. Be it a bomb or an extraterrestrial impact, we're talking about the rapid compression of environmental air pressure. Let's look at Meteor Crater as an example. The impactor was a fraction of the size of the crater; the volume of the crater was primarily the result of shock waves; and we refer to the impact having been responsible for the entire crater. In fact Meteor Crater is of course referred to as an IMPACT crater. No one makes the distinction of what aspect of the crater touched the molecules of the impactor. Returning to Carancas, I don't understand the distinction that a bull---real or imagined---isn't considered impacted by the very same shock waves responsible for the overall size of the impact crater. It's revealing that a casualty which results from shock waves created by a bomb are defined as Primary Blast Injury. It seems logical the same nomenclature will be applied to the first person who is a little too close to the impact of cosmic debris. Anyway Two points: Does anyone know whether shock waves crated by an object the size of Carancas could have been sufficient to have killed a nearby bull? At least in the case of Valera, we know the shoulder (thoracic vertebrae and scapula) were crushed by the impactor. PRODUCT ENDORSEMENT: All of the aforementioned words were fueled by Red Bull. On Mar 15, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote: Hi Darryl and Walter, I'm not trying to start this debate up again, so I'm not posting this to the list. I think you were getting off topic when talking about bomb blasts and deaths because that is not what a hammer or hammer stone is, according to Michael Blood who coined the term. If a meteorite hit a person (or animal or human artifact), it's a hammer stone. But if it hits the earth and creates a blast that hurts or kills a person, the meteorite is not a hammer stone because the blast affected the person, not the meteorite itself. I think that is the distinction that Walter was trying to convey. Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Pitt Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:53 AM To: Walter Branch Cc: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull Hiya, My point was that an impact/blast that results in a mortality producing shock wave is universally defined as an impact/blast casualty. Your attempt to pull shock waves out of the equation in an assessment of an impact/blast is akin to taking water out the equation in a drowning. Moving on, I feel I should clarify my position. I never liked the term hammer---it feels so comic strip-y---and agree it's overused. I agree with Anne's orthodoxy on the application of the term---except as it pertains to the point addressed above. All best / d, On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:48 AM, Walter Branch wrote: Hi Darryl, Okay, but... or scholarly assessment--- That's what I assumed we are attempting. This list is for meteorite enthusiasts, not journalism enthusiasts. I propose we stick to discussing meteorites, not bomb blasts. -Walter - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net Cc: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation from Dave Hi Walter! With all respect In ANY report---except where there exist the specificity of a coroner or scholarly assessment---bomb victims are bomb victims. There is never differentiation between those killed by blast injury, penetrating wounds, blunt trauma or smoke/fire. In fact the foregoing types of injury are correctly referred to as primary, secondary, tertiary and miscellaneous BLAST INJURIES. Primary blast injury is specifically a rapid increase in air pressure--a shock wave. If the bull was killed by a shock wave created by an impact---it was killed by the impact. And that's no bull ;-) On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Walter Branch wrote: Hello Darryl, is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by the bomb? No. They would killed by the shock wave. If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite then a hammer? No. Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down. It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end - Douglas Adams. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Impactika impact...@aol.com Cc: i...@imcamail.de; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite- martin.de Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation from Dave (deep breath) is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by the
Re: [meteorite-list] fake Hamilton
Yo Dog, I went the the posted URL (below) and it did not Have such an article. At the bottom were a number of Links - the most likely being ARTICLES so, I went There - still nothing on Fake Hamilton. Can you just give us the URL to the actual page Of the article to which you are referring? RSVP Thanks, Michael From: Oz Dog Bob Walker qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:38:14 +1000 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] caveate emptor - fake and suspect Hamilton (Queensland) Listoids Please read the article on the above on my news webpage http://www.qmig.org I'm now aware that some of the Hamilton (Queensland) I have purchased previously is FAKE I'm sorry to have to say that in my opinion the jury is still out on others Cheers __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull
Does anyone know whether shock waves crated by an object the size of Carancas could have been sufficient to have killed a nearby bull? I don't have a clue as to how big the Carancas object would have been, but factoring in the objects velocity upon impact, I'd guess there would have been a big whallop. I can't help comparing the effects of the rock slide in Yosemite National Park ten or so years ago. In that incident, the rock that suddenly sloughed off the cliff a thousand or two feet up caused one heck of a concussion. No doubt there was a lot, lot more material to come off that cliff than what the Carancas impactor was. But when the Yosemite rocks hit the ground, the concussion itself blew over many large trees...some 3 or 4 feet in diameter. I don't know the exact figures, but I feel comfortable in thinking that the Carancas shock waves could have been sufficient to kill a bull if it was of close proximity. GeoZay **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull
Darryl, Bob, Carl, List, Check List Archives. Like so many MetList topics, this one has been exhaustively back-and-forthed some time ago. There's enough stuff on the List for a Carancas Casebook. I posted translations of Carl's team's interviews in Amarya translated into Spanish into English. The original statements about animals (and people) affected by the blast are to found there (assuming you want original sources). I posted lots of discussion about blast forces and distances, the size of the blast, the speed of the impactor, theories about its shape, calculations of the amount of material excavated, even the source of the infamous smell. Carancas as an event demonstrates nicely how hard it is to apply what we think we know to what we think happened. It has generated praised papers for both the fluid dynamics model of re-entry and the particle- path model -- one decides it was an abnormally slow entry and the other decides it was a abnormally fast entry. Aren't models wonderful? There are arguments about whether it's a pit or a crater, whether the impactor was big or small, and the size of the blast -- 3kTons? 5kTons? 10kTons? 15kTons? 20kTons? All have been calculated, with seismic evidence, barometric evidence, and crater dynamics, all giving different answers. The event has even generated a new theory of meteoroid fragmentation. Summary: 1. Several animals were killed. 2. Cause of death (ruptured internal organs) is consistent with shock wave. 3. Distances are vague in the witness accounts, but so are blast size guesses, but nothing precludes any blast deaths. 4. There was a man close enough to be knocked flat and left dazed or perhaps shortly unconcious. Again, the distance was not precisely determined but he was much further away than the animals. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull Hi Bob... Bomb blasts were introduced as a way of ramping into a discussion of shock waves. Be it a bomb or an extraterrestrial impact, we're talking about the rapid compression of environmental air pressure. Let's look at Meteor Crater as an example. The impactor was a fraction of the size of the crater; the volume of the crater was primarily the result of shock waves; and we refer to the impact having been responsible for the entire crater. In fact Meteor Crater is of course referred to as an IMPACT crater. No one makes the distinction of what aspect of the crater touched the molecules of the impactor. Returning to Carancas, I don't understand the distinction that a bull---real or imagined---isn't considered impacted by the very same shock waves responsible for the overall size of the impact crater. It's revealing that a casualty which results from shock waves created by a bomb are defined as Primary Blast Injury. It seems logical the same nomenclature will be applied to the first person who is a little too close to the impact of cosmic debris. Anyway Two points: Does anyone know whether shock waves crated by an object the size of Carancas could have been sufficient to have killed a nearby bull? At least in the case of Valera, we know the shoulder (thoracic vertebrae and scapula) were crushed by the impactor. PRODUCT ENDORSEMENT: All of the aforementioned words were fueled by Red Bull. On Mar 15, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote: Hi Darryl and Walter, I'm not trying to start this debate up again, so I'm not posting this to the list. I think you were getting off topic when talking about bomb blasts and deaths because that is not what a hammer or hammer stone is, according to Michael Blood who coined the term. If a meteorite hit a person (or animal or human artifact), it's a hammer stone. But if it hits the earth and creates a blast that hurts or kills a person, the meteorite is not a hammer stone because the blast affected the person, not the meteorite itself. I think that is the distinction that Walter was trying to convey. Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Pitt Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:53 AM To: Walter Branch Cc: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull Hiya, My point was that an impact/blast that results in a mortality producing shock wave is universally defined as an impact/blast casualty. Your attempt to pull shock waves out of the equation in an assessment of an impact/blast is akin to taking water out the equation in a drowning. Moving on, I feel I should clarify my position. I never liked the term hammer---it feels so comic strip-y---and agree it's overused. I
[meteorite-list] Carancas Bull
Hello Sterling, Darryl, Bob, Carl, and List, See also: A. Le PICHON et al. (2008) Evidence for a meteoritic origin of the Sept 15, 2007, Carancas crater (MAPS 43-11, 2008, pp.1797-1809). There are arguments about whether it's a pit or a crater .. and, as if to avoid a decision what to call it, the cover photo text says: = A view of the Carancas impact structure = Best wishes, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A Brief History of the Meteorite Mailing List
Hey, I would like to point something out that I just found...the website for this mailing list. I don't know how I missed it. Anyways check out this website: _http://www.meteoritecentral.com_ (http://www.meteoritecentral.com) I was surprised when I read Michael Bloods, A Brief History of the Meteorite Mailing List to discover that it originated in my old stomping grounds in San Diego's Balboa Park. I've been in both the Planetarium and the Natural History Museum hundreds of times...especially when my kids were little. I never knew that the Planetarium sold meteorites...but then again, I left the area several years ago and when the list was formed, my girls had grown up by then and I had stopped going there. Just a couple hundred yards down the sidewalk from the planetarium, I use to show my work at the San Diego Art Institute. A real neat area...anybody visiting San Diego, Balboa Park is a must stop. Anyhow, I enjoyed Michaels read... George Zay **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MEA CULPA / Carancas Bull
Thanks, Sterling. And with regret for having hastily responded to Bob without having noticed Bob having made a point of writing me off-list. Have been at work (and too exhausted) and I loved the distraction and jumped in head-long. Sorry. On Mar 15, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Sterling K. Webb wrote: Darryl, Bob, Carl, List, Check List Archives. Like so many MetList topics, this one has been exhaustively back-and-forthed some time ago. There's enough stuff on the List for a Carancas Casebook. I posted translations of Carl's team's interviews in Amarya translated into Spanish into English. The original statements about animals (and people) affected by the blast are to found there (assuming you want original sources). I posted lots of discussion about blast forces and distances, the size of the blast, the speed of the impactor, theories about its shape, calculations of the amount of material excavated, even the source of the infamous smell. Carancas as an event demonstrates nicely how hard it is to apply what we think we know to what we think happened. It has generated praised papers for both the fluid dynamics model of re-entry and the particle- path model -- one decides it was an abnormally slow entry and the other decides it was a abnormally fast entry. Aren't models wonderful? There are arguments about whether it's a pit or a crater, whether the impactor was big or small, and the size of the blast -- 3kTons? 5kTons? 10kTons? 15kTons? 20kTons? All have been calculated, with seismic evidence, barometric evidence, and crater dynamics, all giving different answers. The event has even generated a new theory of meteoroid fragmentation. Summary: 1. Several animals were killed. 2. Cause of death (ruptured internal organs) is consistent with shock wave. 3. Distances are vague in the witness accounts, but so are blast size guesses, but nothing precludes any blast deaths. 4. There was a man close enough to be knocked flat and left dazed or perhaps shortly unconcious. Again, the distance was not precisely determined but he was much further away than the animals. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull Hi Bob... Bomb blasts were introduced as a way of ramping into a discussion of shock waves. Be it a bomb or an extraterrestrial impact, we're talking about the rapid compression of environmental air pressure. Let's look at Meteor Crater as an example. The impactor was a fraction of the size of the crater; the volume of the crater was primarily the result of shock waves; and we refer to the impact having been responsible for the entire crater. In fact Meteor Crater is of course referred to as an IMPACT crater. No one makes the distinction of what aspect of the crater touched the molecules of the impactor. Returning to Carancas, I don't understand the distinction that a bull---real or imagined---isn't considered impacted by the very same shock waves responsible for the overall size of the impact crater. It's revealing that a casualty which results from shock waves created by a bomb are defined as Primary Blast Injury. It seems logical the same nomenclature will be applied to the first person who is a little too close to the impact of cosmic debris. Anyway Two points: Does anyone know whether shock waves crated by an object the size of Carancas could have been sufficient to have killed a nearby bull? At least in the case of Valera, we know the shoulder (thoracic vertebrae and scapula) were crushed by the impactor. PRODUCT ENDORSEMENT: All of the aforementioned words were fueled by Red Bull. On Mar 15, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote: Hi Darryl and Walter, I'm not trying to start this debate up again, so I'm not posting this to the list. I think you were getting off topic when talking about bomb blasts and deaths because that is not what a hammer or hammer stone is, according to Michael Blood who coined the term. If a meteorite hit a person (or animal or human artifact), it's a hammer stone. But if it hits the earth and creates a blast that hurts or kills a person, the meteorite is not a hammer stone because the blast affected the person, not the meteorite itself. I think that is the distinction that Walter was trying to convey. Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Pitt Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:53 AM To: Walter Branch Cc: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull Hiya, My point was that an impact/blast that results in a mortality producing shock wave is universally defined as an impact/blast casualty. Your
Re: [meteorite-list] Tektites
G'Day Aubrey and List First off, I have been down all week due to a PC crash last weekend and finally back up and running again. I'm blaming the whole situation on my comments about the H word, must have been a bad omen. I'll keep my mouth shut now and let those that are more intelligent than I am take the podium. :-) Aubrey, very nice site and a welcomed breath of fresh air. Keep up the great work. I think this is an area that is neglected, possibly because it does not fall into the category of meteorite, which this list is intended for. But I feel it's worthy of discussion and hope others will offer up their thoughts. Cheers John - Original Message - From: Aubrey Whymark tekti...@googlemail.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Tektites Hi I just read Bill's post about Plain Text. So this is how you post to the Meteorite List! I gave up trying to post ages ago as my posts never got through! I thought it was because I didn't live in America! Whats New? http://www.tektites.co.uk/whats-new.html Recently I've written about the largest tektites in the world (I need you help!), about Vietnam tektites and done some You Tube videos - my first attempt! Also check out my Indochinite and Philippinite formation pages! http://www.tektites.co.uk/indochinites.html and http://www.tektites.co.uk/philippinites.html Loads of other tektite pages too! Also I apologise in advance about any delay in replies. I'm in the Persian Gulf on a satellite connection. Thanks, Aubrey Whymark www.tektites.co.uk __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wanted - West Texas meteorite sample
Hi to all, Hope everyones day has been good. I am looking for a sample of the recent Texas fall, perhaps 2-4 grams - I dont think I could afford much more then that, otherwise I would be looking for a whole stone around 10 grams or so... It does not matter if its a slice, whole stone, fragment - anything will do. I am in the process of getting a display together for the Catawba County Science Center for public exhibition and would love to have a sample of this fall along with a local news paper to offer them. The center does not have much of a meteorite display (or the budget to get one) and it is my hope to change that. I have a rather nice collection that just sits in my living room and I am wanting to be able to allow others to enjoy it so I am going to be loaning them a very nice assortment of meteorites... If anyone has a sample of this they would be willing to sell at a good price or even do a part cash/part trade for, please contact me off list. The sample would not evar be resold and would be used for a very good cause - I do want to say that the piece would be mine, but it will be loaned for at least 3 months, perhaps 6 months and enjoyed by many visitors to the Science Center. The exhibit should be up and running within a few weeks (hopefully - secure displays need to be made first) I plan to share pictures once its set up - I will be using the IMCA logos for the display, but will also credit anyone who offers me a sample of this. Thanks in advance, Greg Catterton IMCA 4682 www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull
The problem is where you draw the distinction. What about a person or animal who is not killed by the shock wave but may by thrown the ground, either by compressed air or ground movement? Would that meteorite be considered a hammer? What about sound waves that travel through the air as a meteorite flies overhead and reach a human eardrum, thus producing a sound? Technically, the compressed air impacted a human eardrum, so would that meteorite be considered a hammer. What about a clod of dirt thrown up in the impact, hitting someone's shoe? Speaking only for myself, I draw a distinction between a person, animal or man-made object who is actually hit, or makes physical contact with the meteorite vs. not. Nothing, more. Besides, one could also argue that neither the blast wave nor the bomb actually killed our hypothetical person. It was the bomber who actually killed the person. Then we open up another can of worms, so-to-speak. Keep it simple. Did the meteorite itself actually hit something? My advert: Above fueled by fruit punch from ye old Piggly Wiggly (it's a grocery store chain here in the southeast US) No foolin' :-) -Walter - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull Hi Bob... Bomb blasts were introduced as a way of ramping into a discussion of shock waves. Be it a bomb or an extraterrestrial impact, we're talking about the rapid compression of environmental air pressure. Let's look at Meteor Crater as an example. The impactor was a fraction of the size of the crater; the volume of the crater was primarily the result of shock waves; and we refer to the impact having been responsible for the entire crater. In fact Meteor Crater is of course referred to as an IMPACT crater. No one makes the distinction of what aspect of the crater touched the molecules of the impactor. Returning to Carancas, I don't understand the distinction that a bull---real or imagined---isn't considered impacted by the very same shock waves responsible for the overall size of the impact crater. It's revealing that a casualty which results from shock waves created by a bomb are defined as Primary Blast Injury. It seems logical the same nomenclature will be applied to the first person who is a little too close to the impact of cosmic debris. Anyway Two points: Does anyone know whether shock waves crated by an object the size of Carancas could have been sufficient to have killed a nearby bull? At least in the case of Valera, we know the shoulder (thoracic vertebrae and scapula) were crushed by the impactor. PRODUCT ENDORSEMENT: All of the aforementioned words were fueled by Red Bull. On Mar 15, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote: Hi Darryl and Walter, I'm not trying to start this debate up again, so I'm not posting this to the list. I think you were getting off topic when talking about bomb blasts and deaths because that is not what a hammer or hammer stone is, according to Michael Blood who coined the term. If a meteorite hit a person (or animal or human artifact), it's a hammer stone. But if it hits the earth and creates a blast that hurts or kills a person, the meteorite is not a hammer stone because the blast affected the person, not the meteorite itself. I think that is the distinction that Walter was trying to convey. Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Pitt Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:53 AM To: Walter Branch Cc: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull Hiya, My point was that an impact/blast that results in a mortality producing shock wave is universally defined as an impact/blast casualty. Your attempt to pull shock waves out of the equation in an assessment of an impact/blast is akin to taking water out the equation in a drowning. Moving on, I feel I should clarify my position. I never liked the term hammer---it feels so comic strip-y---and agree it's overused. I agree with Anne's orthodoxy on the application of the term---except as it pertains to the point addressed above. All best / d, On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:48 AM, Walter Branch wrote: Hi Darryl, Okay, but... or scholarly assessment--- That's what I assumed we are attempting. This list is for meteorite enthusiasts, not journalism enthusiasts. I propose we stick to discussing meteorites, not bomb blasts. -Walter - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net Cc: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation from Dave Hi Walter! With all
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull
fair enough. taking a page from sterling, we've got this covered. and i just laughed out loud re your product placement. thanks again for being so gracious, walter. d, On Mar 15, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Walter Branch wrote: The problem is where you draw the distinction. What about a person or animal who is not killed by the shock wave but may by thrown the ground, either by compressed air or ground movement? Would that meteorite be considered a hammer? What about sound waves that travel through the air as a meteorite flies overhead and reach a human eardrum, thus producing a sound? Technically, the compressed air impacted a human eardrum, so would that meteorite be considered a hammer. What about a clod of dirt thrown up in the impact, hitting someone's shoe? Speaking only for myself, I draw a distinction between a person, animal or man-made object who is actually hit, or makes physical contact with the meteorite vs. not. Nothing, more. Besides, one could also argue that neither the blast wave nor the bomb actually killed our hypothetical person. It was the bomber who actually killed the person. Then we open up another can of worms, so-to-speak. Keep it simple. Did the meteorite itself actually hit something? My advert: Above fueled by fruit punch from ye old Piggly Wiggly (it's a grocery store chain here in the southeast US) No foolin' :-) -Walter - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull Hi Bob... Bomb blasts were introduced as a way of ramping into a discussion of shock waves. Be it a bomb or an extraterrestrial impact, we're talking about the rapid compression of environmental air pressure. Let's look at Meteor Crater as an example. The impactor was a fraction of the size of the crater; the volume of the crater was primarily the result of shock waves; and we refer to the impact having been responsible for the entire crater. In fact Meteor Crater is of course referred to as an IMPACT crater. No one makes the distinction of what aspect of the crater touched the molecules of the impactor. Returning to Carancas, I don't understand the distinction that a bull---real or imagined---isn't considered impacted by the very same shock waves responsible for the overall size of the impact crater. It's revealing that a casualty which results from shock waves created by a bomb are defined as Primary Blast Injury. It seems logical the same nomenclature will be applied to the first person who is a little too close to the impact of cosmic debris. Anyway Two points: Does anyone know whether shock waves crated by an object the size of Carancas could have been sufficient to have killed a nearby bull? At least in the case of Valera, we know the shoulder (thoracic vertebrae and scapula) were crushed by the impactor. PRODUCT ENDORSEMENT: All of the aforementioned words were fueled by Red Bull. On Mar 15, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote: Hi Darryl and Walter, I'm not trying to start this debate up again, so I'm not posting this to the list. I think you were getting off topic when talking about bomb blasts and deaths because that is not what a hammer or hammer stone is, according to Michael Blood who coined the term. If a meteorite hit a person (or animal or human artifact), it's a hammer stone. But if it hits the earth and creates a blast that hurts or kills a person, the meteorite is not a hammer stone because the blast affected the person, not the meteorite itself. I think that is the distinction that Walter was trying to convey. Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Pitt Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:53 AM To: Walter Branch Cc: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull Hiya, My point was that an impact/blast that results in a mortality producing shock wave is universally defined as an impact/blast casualty. Your attempt to pull shock waves out of the equation in an assessment of an impact/blast is akin to taking water out the equation in a drowning. Moving on, I feel I should clarify my position. I never liked the term hammer---it feels so comic strip-y---and agree it's overused. I agree with Anne's orthodoxy on the application of the term---except as it pertains to the point addressed above. All best / d, On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:48 AM, Walter Branch wrote: Hi Darryl, Okay, but... or scholarly assessment--- That's what I assumed we are attempting. This list is for meteorite enthusiasts, not journalism enthusiasts. I propose we stick to discussing meteorites, not bomb blasts. -Walter - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt
[meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT - UPDATE MARCH 15, 2009
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[meteorite-list] March Issue of Meteorite-Times Is Up
Hello Everyone! The March issue of Meteorite-Times is now up. A huge thank you to all the writers! http://www.meteorite-times.com/ Paul and Jim __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Happy B-day to San Juan Capistrano
On this date in 1973 the San Juan Capistrano meteorite (a 56 gram H6-chondrite) punched a hole through the roof of a carport in a trailer park, becoming California's first AND ONLY recognized fall. How is it that a state of this size and population has only one fall? Curious in California __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy B-day to San Juan Capistrano
Hi, I think the key word there is recognized. It takes a lot to get noticed in California... Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:21 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy B-day to San Juan Capistrano On this date in 1973 the San Juan Capistrano meteorite (a 56 gram H6-chondrite) punched a hole through the roof of a carport in a trailer park, becoming California's first AND ONLY recognized fall. How is it that a state of this size and population has only one fall? Curious in California __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] test - delete
Trying to see if finally we can go through the list. _ See how Windows® connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] test - delete
Hola to all. Seems we´ve finally done it...but could not copy a linkwill have another try. Hasta la vista, larense http://espanol.video.yahoo.com/watch/79321/1416267 From: gian...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:41:47 + Subject: [meteorite-list] test - delete Trying to see if finally we can go through the list. _ See how Windows® connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Olivine barred chondrule on surface.
Hola to all. Want to share some pictures of a small NWA unc met, that have a seldom seen feature on its weathered crust : a barred olivine chodrule : http://inlinethumb17.webshots.com/44496/2377556290100862759S600x600Q85.jpg http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/40658/2650081550100862759S600x600Q85.jpg Hasta la vista, larense _ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull
Hello George, List I believe Carl pointed out that the translated term Bull does not necessarily mean bovine but could be any male animal. I don't know if ewe included all female animals and not just a female sheep. So the bull reference could be referring to the llama. In blast/overpressure testing I am directly familiar with, goats and less so sheep, have an aorta defect which makes them highly susceptible to shock that doesn't affect humans. Elton --- On Sun, 3/15/09, geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com wrote: Does anyone know whether shock waves crated by an object the size of Carancas could have been sufficient to have killed a nearby bull? I feel comfortable in thinking that the Carancas shock waves could have been sufficient to kill a bull if it was of close proximity. GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test
Hola John. Yes amigo...at lastbutdon´t worry...be happy...we have been following the list for quite a while..and have seen many things here...nothing different as for the fora we are accustomed to. Thanks for your welcome. Hasta la vista, larense From: j...@cabassi.net To: gian...@hotmail.com Subject: Test Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:10:46 -0700 G'Day Larense Bloody hell mate! You finally did it! We tried to help you out, could've got you on alot earlier. But I'm glad to see you've worked it out and you're posting. Now all you have to do is hang in there. The met list can get brutal sometimes; especially with some personal emails that don't come up on the list. We've been through it and are still trying to make a stand and be accepted. But I suppose like all things, it takes time. But don't give up and don't back down, speak your peace and don't be intimidated. Congratulations amigo. I now have another on my side on the met list and vice versa. Cheers Johnno _ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test
G'Day Larense I'm glad you took in jest, I knew you would. But seriously, the Met List is a great place with some great people; very knowledgeable people and I respect all those that are on here. Sometimes it can get argumentative, sometimes very funny, but best of all ... they all have Meteorites in their hearts. Cheers John - Original Message - From: gian gallo gian...@hotmail.com To: Johnno j...@cabassi.net; Met- List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test Hola John. Yes amigo...at lastbutdon´t worry...be happy...we have been following the list for quite a while..and have seen many things here...nothing different as for the fora we are accustomed to. Thanks for your welcome. Hasta la vista, larense __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chiemgau--an unsung hammer
Chiemgau in Southern Germany contains a 4500yo crater field which was largely brought to scientific light just this decade and largely investigated by what we fondly know as amateurs --quiet capable and serious amateurs I might add. These appears to be a perfect marriage of amateur and academic cooperation. Their thoroughness is a hallmark to achieve in future investigation. Documentation for this crater field is top notch and has been presented in detail at this website. http://www.chiemgau-impact.com/geschichte.html The PDF file at this link is deserving of book status and contains amongst other things, photos of bone and hair samples suggesting the Chiemgau impactor was indeed a very large hammer. http://www.chiemgau-impact.com/artikel2.pdf Are any of the CIRT members also members of this list? IF so please speak up and take a bow!! Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] My Two West Texas Videos Meteorite Recovery and Hopper
Hi all, I wanted to let everyone know that my West, Texas videos are now public and are part of my Meteorite-Times article for March. The first video tells of my experiences in West with Steve Arnold, Sonny Clary and Mike Miller. It details how my first West meteorite was found in a cemetery and also Mike Millers 212 gram find - It was for a while the main mass. The second video follows Rob Wesel and Myself around as we pursue the Hopper Stone. The sound track of this video is actually written and performed by Mitch Bynum (Hopper's) owner. View them both here. http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2009/march/Rubens_Hunting_Grounds.htm Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) 2 METEORITES FORSALE
--- On Sun, 3/15/09, geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com wrote: I personally don't object to his many ads...he's got some real bargains there. Now if others would post just as good bargains, I'd be favorable towards them too. :O) GeoZay Caveat Emptor George-- For several sellers there are a fair amount of reports of: 1) meteorites never shipped after being paid for, 2)specimens bought and never paid for and, 3)switching junk material out and selling it for more valuable and better known material with faked provenience. Even with a copy of a data card from a reputable prior owner you've no way of knowing you were getting what was offered. Ever wonder how a seller can dispose of material costing $50 a gram for $5 a gram, else give it away for advertising and still be in business? Offers that are concluded at well below market value can't go on year after year unless something fishy is going on--such as what is being advertised really isn't what is actually on the table. For me Gosh I umm I mixed up data cards aaah h I got mixed up, I'll never do it again are smoke screens for scammers 99% of the time. I'd only buy if there was no chance it could be misidentified( Millillibillie, SA, Gao complete stone etc. and It was no more than 30% of the published purchase price. Some sellers always publish their purchase price just in advance of posting it to ebay. Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Iridium (+ Osmium ? + Technetium ?) measuring and testing
Hello Darren The original post never made it to my mail box. To the original posters questions about metal detectors: One of the points to be made is that a metal detector only detects free metal not elements. It is a field test and searching for specific elements is a lab test' As they say on the American TV Game Show-- Family Feud --gudanzer! my I say--gudlinks. Elton --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: A- measuring on the field/ meteorite finding/ first testing: I read often that finders/hunters use magnets. What about a metal detector measuring Iridium ? or is Iridium detection too close to other elements, or too small in content to be singled out ? and what about Osmium ? or Technetium ? B- testing How is Iridium (or Osmium, or Technetium) analysed and tested ? Is there any non-invasive way to test one or more of them, to keep the meteorite as is ? I was sitting here trying my best to remember the name of a type of measurement used to find very small amounts of atoms in materials (as is often the case) it wasn't coming to me. Fortunately I remembered it being described in a book by Walter Alverez called T. rex and the Crater of Doom,searched down my copy and was reminded that it is neutron activation analysis. Good book on the detective work behind the discovery of the iridium (and other rare element) concentrations at the K/T boundary. You should try to get your hands on a copy. You can preview big chunks of it on Google Books: http://books.google.com/books?id=kkHhl67ixwECprintsec=frontcoverdq=rex+and+the+crater+of+doom#PPA66,M1 Use the right-hand search window to search for neutron activation analysis in the book. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_activation_analysis As for technetium, I wouldn't hold my breath about finding much of it. Very short half life, both in human terms for some isotopes (hours to days) and in cosmic terms (at most a few million years, a blink of the eye in the age of a meteorite). The amount (from some googling) produced naturally by uranium decay and neutron absorbtion in molybdenum seems to be vanishingly small. Doesn't look to be much to be a mesurable amount to picked up from the solar wind (though this article is pretty old) http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/rawdataupload/upload/insa/INSA_1/20005aca_407.pdf Here's an article touching on the decay products of technetium in meteorites: http://wwwsoc.nii.ac.jp/jnrs/paper/JN63/jn6325.pdf and another: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2004/pdf/1877.pdf __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
