[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 15, 2009

2009-03-15 Thread Michael Johnson

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_15_2009.html

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[meteorite-list] IMCA The Encyclopedia of Meteorites

2009-03-15 Thread Norbert Classen
Dear List Members,

Some weeks ago there have been a lot of questions on this list regarding the
Encyclopedia of Meteorites and the IMCA as its new owner. Sorry it took so
long to reply, but we had to get everything straight with the EoM, first,
and now we are ready to answer all the questions. Please have a look at our
current IMCA Insights, March 2009, which answers most of the questions we
received:

http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_wrapperItemid=159

If you are using a monitor with a 800x600 resolution please use this
version:

http://imca.cc/insights/2009/IMCA-Insights03.htm

I hope this helps. If you have additional questions please contact us at
questi...@imca.cc and we will get back to you, ASAP.

All the best,
Norbert Classen
President IMCA Inc.



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[meteorite-list] test

2009-03-15 Thread Bill Hall
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[meteorite-list] Michael Bross

2009-03-15 Thread Metorman46

Michael Bross  elemen...@peconic.net
Subject: [meteorite-list] Iridium (+ Osmium ? +  Technetium ?)
measuring and testing

Michael;

Welcome to the list,i look forward to your posts  and hope you enjoy all the 
other posts and great info.,offers to sell meteorites  and just good meteorite 
conversations,OH,and the great pictures posted by  Michael Johnson to this 
list.Have fun!

Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA #  2770  

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[meteorite-list] Test...please delete

2009-03-15 Thread GeoZay
Just doing a final check folksplease  delete.
geozay  

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[meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post

2009-03-15 Thread Bill Hall
Hello to all,
  I've tried to post on here over a year ago and
couldn't get any thru. Thanks Steve Dunklee for the advice. My problem
was different, but you inspired me to work on it again. gmail has a
tab you must click to send messages as plain text.

OK METEORITES. I probably got the bug the same way many of you did,
watching a show with Robert Haag searching for the Tucson Meteorite.
This was many years ago, and thanks a lot Robert if you read this.  I
hope your HAPPY! You've created a brand new Addiction all on your own!
Soon after this I purchased O Richard Nortons book Rocks From Space.
Great book, but guess what! I found out I lived only 5 miles from
Richard and Dorthy Norton!. I found myself soon sitting at the kitchen
table looking at thin sections with Richard, and learning all about
chondrules, etc. What a treat!! He told me all about the field of
meteoritics, and this pushed me over the edge. I have a serious
problem when it comes to meteorites. I'm a bit of a freak I
suppose,... I take meteorites with me wherever I go, I buy meteorites
for less than their worth, more than their worth, give them to
strangers, and pass them out at star parties to the children. I
constantly think about all the different ways to include them in my
life, process them, preserve them, make things from them, hunting for
them, e-bay etc. Its a wonder I get anything done at all!

Took a trip to Florida in 2003, went to Kennedy Space Center, and
purchased my 1st meteorite. About 40 grams on Nantan crust for only
$40!! How funny!  I was ( and still am ) so happy to have my Nantan
crust rust. ( No I don't want to buy any more @ $1 gram, but thanks )
I did go back in 2004 and buy another piece however.


Oct, 2007 found me heading to Arizona, (I live in Bend Oregon) what a
ride! I spent 4 month there hunting meteorites, and purchasing
whenever possible. Made my 1st trip to meteor crater, UN believable
experience! Met all the guys from Morocco, and purchased several
kilo's  NWA, a few kilos here a few kilos there. Spent most of my time
in Quartzsite working (I have a mobile RV service business) and
playing. In quartzsite I met a guy who many of you know I'm sure who
brings us the Campo's. I spent nearly every spare moment working on,
and discussing meteorite hunting, preservation, future searches for
the Esquel Palllasite etc. and a BBQ almost every night. Ended up with
Campo's running out my ears! Then my new friend had to go to
Tucson,... how sad I had to stay and work. Well he called me
several times from there, and made several nice purchases for me, some
of these were purchased from list members.

#1 I got the nice big Brenham slice, with the L.A. Times newspaper,
thanks Steve Arnold, I love it!
#2 I got a big 12 kilo complete oriented chondrite, I think it came
from Mohammad, but not sure
#3 I got a 1 kilo Seymchan, and small 40 gram slice from one of you guys.
and several other smaller pieces, thanks everyone.

I vowed to make it to Tucson in 2009. I kept that vow...WOW!
Even before I went, I had the pleasure to meet Ruben in Quartzsite,
and be in one of his videos. Oh yea! I forgot, I found a 40 plus gram
chondrite in the Quartzsite area. My 1st find, I GPS the coordinates,
and photo in situ, etc. My friend Mark and I had walked for a hundred
miles before we found it. How cool it wasand Ruben videoed it with
his new HD camera, and stuck it on You Tube. SO COOL, thanks Ruben!

Then Tucson: Oh boy..the post is getting long, sorry so exited to
post.be calm, breath...OK 1st stop, the Ramada, and got 8 kilo
chondrites from a nice boy from Morocco for REALLY cheap! then to the
Days Inn and found my Campo connection, visited a bit, then Steve
Arnold walked up and I got to meet him! Almost peed my pants! Then got
oriented, found a place to park for the day, and headed to Inn Suites.
Here I met Marvin Kilgore, ( again nearly peed) what a nice
guy! purchased his book, and talked meteorites for an hour or so, met
his nice wife Kitty and got some pictures. thanks Marvin and Kitty.
Then met Bruno Fectay and Corine Bidaut, SUPER nice people. Checked
out their Mars rock Chassignite, nice..and took their picture!
Thanks.  Then found Mike Farmers booth, WOW how cool is that! What a
display! The work involved just setting up these rooms must take days.
There were a ton of people in the room, but Mike went out of his way
to help me, and was REALLY nice to me. Thanks Mike. Then found the
Steve Arnold, Geoff Nottkin Room and met Steve again. I got a picture
of me and Steve holding up a big Brenham. NICE. Thanks Steve.

Well, before it was over I ended up at the Harvey Awards, and birthday
party, and met too many more cool people to list. Even got Rober Haags
picture, (poor guy was being pestered to death, so I didn't meet him,
last I saw he was running for the back door exclaiming holy shit!).
Had a great time, and met tons of great people, and went home with
many more kilos of 

Re: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post

2009-03-15 Thread Meteorites USA

Welcome to the list Bill!

Great post! You'll find a lot of great people on here and I'm sure you 
have much to contribute yourself. It seems you've been bitten hard by 
the meteorite bug and are fully addicted. AWESOME! Great ain't it?! ;)


Saw the video of your new find. Great Job! Congratulations! Ruben's a 
great guy and is always a big help, that's just who he is.


Again welcome and enjoy the list. I look forward to your posts.

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA

P.S. I love Bend! Great little town and centrally located for easy 
access to anywhere in Oregon. It's been 10 years since I've been there 
but I loved it! Beautiful country up there.




Bill Hall wrote:

Hello to all,
  I've tried to post on here over a year ago and
couldn't get any thru. Thanks Steve Dunklee for the advice. My problem
was different, but you inspired me to work on it again. gmail has a
tab you must click to send messages as plain text.

OK METEORITES. I probably got the bug the same way many of you did,
watching a show with Robert Haag searching for the Tucson Meteorite.
This was many years ago, and thanks a lot Robert if you read this.  I
hope your HAPPY! You've created a brand new Addiction all on your own!
Soon after this I purchased O Richard Nortons book Rocks From Space.
Great book, but guess what! I found out I lived only 5 miles from
Richard and Dorthy Norton!. I found myself soon sitting at the kitchen
table looking at thin sections with Richard, and learning all about
chondrules, etc. What a treat!! He told me all about the field of
meteoritics, and this pushed me over the edge. I have a serious
problem when it comes to meteorites. I'm a bit of a freak I
suppose,... I take meteorites with me wherever I go, I buy meteorites
for less than their worth, more than their worth, give them to
strangers, and pass them out at star parties to the children. I
constantly think about all the different ways to include them in my
life, process them, preserve them, make things from them, hunting for
them, e-bay etc. Its a wonder I get anything done at all!

Took a trip to Florida in 2003, went to Kennedy Space Center, and
purchased my 1st meteorite. About 40 grams on Nantan crust for only
$40!! How funny!  I was ( and still am ) so happy to have my Nantan
crust rust. ( No I don't want to buy any more @ $1 gram, but thanks )
I did go back in 2004 and buy another piece however.


Oct, 2007 found me heading to Arizona, (I live in Bend Oregon) what a
ride! I spent 4 month there hunting meteorites, and purchasing
whenever possible. Made my 1st trip to meteor crater, UN believable
experience! Met all the guys from Morocco, and purchased several
kilo's  NWA, a few kilos here a few kilos there. Spent most of my time
in Quartzsite working (I have a mobile RV service business) and
playing. In quartzsite I met a guy who many of you know I'm sure who
brings us the Campo's. I spent nearly every spare moment working on,
and discussing meteorite hunting, preservation, future searches for
the Esquel Palllasite etc. and a BBQ almost every night. Ended up with
Campo's running out my ears! Then my new friend had to go to
Tucson,... how sad I had to stay and work. Well he called me
several times from there, and made several nice purchases for me, some
of these were purchased from list members.

#1 I got the nice big Brenham slice, with the L.A. Times newspaper,
thanks Steve Arnold, I love it!
#2 I got a big 12 kilo complete oriented chondrite, I think it came
from Mohammad, but not sure
#3 I got a 1 kilo Seymchan, and small 40 gram slice from one of you guys.
and several other smaller pieces, thanks everyone.

I vowed to make it to Tucson in 2009. I kept that vow...WOW!
Even before I went, I had the pleasure to meet Ruben in Quartzsite,
and be in one of his videos. Oh yea! I forgot, I found a 40 plus gram
chondrite in the Quartzsite area. My 1st find, I GPS the coordinates,
and photo in situ, etc. My friend Mark and I had walked for a hundred
miles before we found it. How cool it wasand Ruben videoed it with
his new HD camera, and stuck it on You Tube. SO COOL, thanks Ruben!

Then Tucson: Oh boy..the post is getting long, sorry so exited to
post.be calm, breath...OK 1st stop, the Ramada, and got 8 kilo
chondrites from a nice boy from Morocco for REALLY cheap! then to the
Days Inn and found my Campo connection, visited a bit, then Steve
Arnold walked up and I got to meet him! Almost peed my pants! Then got
oriented, found a place to park for the day, and headed to Inn Suites.
Here I met Marvin Kilgore, ( again nearly peed) what a nice
guy! purchased his book, and talked meteorites for an hour or so, met
his nice wife Kitty and got some pictures. thanks Marvin and Kitty.
Then met Bruno Fectay and Corine Bidaut, SUPER nice people. Checked
out their Mars rock Chassignite, nice..and took their picture!
Thanks.  Then found Mike Farmers booth, WOW how cool is that! What a
display! The work involved 

Re: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post

2009-03-15 Thread Ruben Garcia

Hi,
Wow, you've got it bad!!! Just kidding Bill. It was great to meet you too and a 
pleasure to add you and your find to my Quartzite video. You are just the kind 
of guy we like on this forum: excited, polite and articulate!

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v


--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Bill Hall meteorit...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Bill Hall meteorit...@gmail.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:18 AM
 Hello to all,
   I've tried to post on here over a
 year ago and
 couldn't get any thru. Thanks Steve Dunklee for the
 advice. My problem
 was different, but you inspired me to work on it again.
 gmail has a
 tab you must click to send messages as plain text.
 
 OK METEORITES. I probably got the bug the same way many of
 you did,
 watching a show with Robert Haag searching for the Tucson
 Meteorite.
 This was many years ago, and thanks a lot Robert if you
 read this.  I
 hope your HAPPY! You've created a brand new Addiction
 all on your own!
 Soon after this I purchased O Richard Nortons book Rocks
 From Space.
 Great book, but guess what! I found out I lived only 5
 miles from
 Richard and Dorthy Norton!. I found myself soon sitting at
 the kitchen
 table looking at thin sections with Richard, and learning
 all about
 chondrules, etc. What a treat!! He told me all about the
 field of
 meteoritics, and this pushed me over the edge. I have a
 serious
 problem when it comes to meteorites. I'm a bit of a
 freak I
 suppose,... I take meteorites with me wherever I go, I buy
 meteorites
 for less than their worth, more than their worth, give them
 to
 strangers, and pass them out at star parties to the
 children. I
 constantly think about all the different ways to include
 them in my
 life, process them, preserve them, make things from them,
 hunting for
 them, e-bay etc. Its a wonder I get anything done at all!
 
 Took a trip to Florida in 2003, went to Kennedy Space
 Center, and
 purchased my 1st meteorite. About 40 grams on Nantan crust
 for only
 $40!! How funny!  I was ( and still am ) so happy to have
 my Nantan
 crust rust. ( No I don't want to buy any more @ $1
 gram, but thanks )
 I did go back in 2004 and buy another piece however.
 
 
 Oct, 2007 found me heading to Arizona, (I live in Bend
 Oregon) what a
 ride! I spent 4 month there hunting meteorites, and
 purchasing
 whenever possible. Made my 1st trip to meteor crater, UN
 believable
 experience! Met all the guys from Morocco, and purchased
 several
 kilo's  NWA, a few kilos here a few kilos there. Spent
 most of my time
 in Quartzsite working (I have a mobile RV service business)
 and
 playing. In quartzsite I met a guy who many of you know
 I'm sure who
 brings us the Campo's. I spent nearly every spare
 moment working on,
 and discussing meteorite hunting, preservation, future
 searches for
 the Esquel Palllasite etc. and a BBQ almost every night.
 Ended up with
 Campo's running out my ears! Then my new friend had to
 go to
 Tucson,... how sad I had to stay and work. Well he
 called me
 several times from there, and made several nice purchases
 for me, some
 of these were purchased from list members.
 
 #1 I got the nice big Brenham slice, with the L.A. Times
 newspaper,
 thanks Steve Arnold, I love it!
 #2 I got a big 12 kilo complete oriented chondrite, I think
 it came
 from Mohammad, but not sure
 #3 I got a 1 kilo Seymchan, and small 40 gram slice from
 one of you guys.
 and several other smaller pieces, thanks everyone.
 
 I vowed to make it to Tucson in 2009. I kept that
 vow...WOW!
 Even before I went, I had the pleasure to meet Ruben in
 Quartzsite,
 and be in one of his videos. Oh yea! I forgot, I found a 40
 plus gram
 chondrite in the Quartzsite area. My 1st find, I GPS the
 coordinates,
 and photo in situ, etc. My friend Mark and I had walked for
 a hundred
 miles before we found it. How cool it wasand Ruben
 videoed it with
 his new HD camera, and stuck it on You Tube. SO COOL,
 thanks Ruben!
 
 Then Tucson: Oh boy..the post is getting long, sorry so
 exited to
 post.be calm, breath...OK 1st stop, the Ramada, and
 got 8 kilo
 chondrites from a nice boy from Morocco for REALLY cheap!
 then to the
 Days Inn and found my Campo connection, visited a bit, then
 Steve
 Arnold walked up and I got to meet him! Almost peed my
 pants! Then got
 oriented, found a place to park for the day, and headed to
 Inn Suites.
 Here I met Marvin Kilgore, ( again nearly peed)
 what a nice
 guy! purchased his book, and talked meteorites for an hour
 or so, met
 his nice wife Kitty and got some pictures. thanks Marvin
 and Kitty.
 Then met Bruno Fectay and Corine Bidaut, SUPER nice people.
 Checked
 out their Mars rock Chassignite, nice..and took their
 picture!
 Thanks.  

Re: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post

2009-03-15 Thread Dave Gheesling
Welcome, Bill,
You might as well go ahead and read this from Tim's site:
http://www.meteorman.org/Meteorite_Creed.htm.
All best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com 

-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Timothy
Heitz
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:02 PM
To: Bill Hall; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post


Hello Bill,

I got the bug just like you. I even started selling to support my habit and
only for that reason.
http://www.meteorman.org/

My story
http://www.meteorman.org/Meteorite_Times_Tim_Heitz.pdf

Thanks,
Tim Heitz













- Original Message -
From: Bill Hall meteorit...@gmail.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:18 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post


 Hello to all,
  I've tried to post on here over a year ago and
 couldn't get any thru. Thanks Steve Dunklee for the advice. My problem
 was different, but you inspired me to work on it again. gmail has a
 tab you must click to send messages as plain text.

 OK METEORITES. I probably got the bug the same way many of you did,
 watching a show with Robert Haag searching for the Tucson Meteorite.
 This was many years ago, and thanks a lot Robert if you read this.  I
 hope your HAPPY! You've created a brand new Addiction all on your own!
 Soon after this I purchased O Richard Nortons book Rocks From Space.
 Great book, but guess what! I found out I lived only 5 miles from
 Richard and Dorthy Norton!. I found myself soon sitting at the kitchen
 table looking at thin sections with Richard, and learning all about
 chondrules, etc. What a treat!! He told me all about the field of
 meteoritics, and this pushed me over the edge. I have a serious
 problem when it comes to meteorites. I'm a bit of a freak I
 suppose,... I take meteorites with me wherever I go, I buy meteorites
 for less than their worth, more than their worth, give them to
 strangers, and pass them out at star parties to the children. I
 constantly think about all the different ways to include them in my
 life, process them, preserve them, make things from them, hunting for
 them, e-bay etc. Its a wonder I get anything done at all!

 Took a trip to Florida in 2003, went to Kennedy Space Center, and
 purchased my 1st meteorite. About 40 grams on Nantan crust for only
 $40!! How funny!  I was ( and still am ) so happy to have my Nantan
 crust rust. ( No I don't want to buy any more @ $1 gram, but thanks )
 I did go back in 2004 and buy another piece however.


 Oct, 2007 found me heading to Arizona, (I live in Bend Oregon) what a
 ride! I spent 4 month there hunting meteorites, and purchasing
 whenever possible. Made my 1st trip to meteor crater, UN believable
 experience! Met all the guys from Morocco, and purchased several
 kilo's  NWA, a few kilos here a few kilos there. Spent most of my time
 in Quartzsite working (I have a mobile RV service business) and
 playing. In quartzsite I met a guy who many of you know I'm sure who
 brings us the Campo's. I spent nearly every spare moment working on,
 and discussing meteorite hunting, preservation, future searches for
 the Esquel Palllasite etc. and a BBQ almost every night. Ended up with
 Campo's running out my ears! Then my new friend had to go to
 Tucson,... how sad I had to stay and work. Well he called me
 several times from there, and made several nice purchases for me, some
 of these were purchased from list members.

 #1 I got the nice big Brenham slice, with the L.A. Times newspaper,
 thanks Steve Arnold, I love it!
 #2 I got a big 12 kilo complete oriented chondrite, I think it came
 from Mohammad, but not sure
 #3 I got a 1 kilo Seymchan, and small 40 gram slice from one of you guys.
 and several other smaller pieces, thanks everyone.

 I vowed to make it to Tucson in 2009. I kept that vow...WOW!
 Even before I went, I had the pleasure to meet Ruben in Quartzsite,
 and be in one of his videos. Oh yea! I forgot, I found a 40 plus gram
 chondrite in the Quartzsite area. My 1st find, I GPS the coordinates,
 and photo in situ, etc. My friend Mark and I had walked for a hundred
 miles before we found it. How cool it wasand Ruben videoed it with
 his new HD camera, and stuck it on You Tube. SO COOL, thanks Ruben!

 Then Tucson: Oh boy..the post is getting long, sorry so exited to
 post.be calm, breath...OK 1st stop, the Ramada, and got 8 kilo
 chondrites from a nice boy from Morocco for REALLY cheap! then to the
 Days Inn and found my Campo connection, visited a bit, then Steve
 Arnold walked up and I got to meet him! Almost peed my pants! Then got
 oriented, found a place to park for the day, and headed to Inn Suites.
 Here I met Marvin Kilgore, ( again nearly peed) what a nice
 guy! purchased his book, and talked meteorites for an hour or so, met
 his nice wife Kitty and got 

[meteorite-list] (AD) 2 METEORITES FORSALE

2009-03-15 Thread steve arnold

Hi list.I have 2 meteorites forsale.I have a 850 gram endcut of the campo 
silicated iron.Very stable piece.Most of the silicated pieces are.$300 for 
that.And I still have the 360 gram campo with a 1.5 cm impact crater.$200.Both 
have free shipping.Off list please.
 
Steve R.Arnold No#1!,Chicago!
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[meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post

2009-03-15 Thread Bill Hall
Thanks to all,
  It will take me a while to figure out how to
reply to everyone in the proper manner( I know what I want to say just
need to get used to the process). For now thanks to those who replied
to my post as well as those who will no doubt welcome me in the next
few days. It is greatly appreciated to be accepted into a group like
yours. Rubens statement about my being articulate is strange, as I
am  terrible with my grammar, (but thanks Ruben!)


Thanks again to all,


  Bill Hall

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Re: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post

2009-03-15 Thread Norm Lehrman

Bill,

Thanks. Your post warmed my heart, (even here in Africa 2 degrees south of the 
very hot humid meteorite-destroying equator!).  Welcome!  You are our kind of 
person.

And to all of you that made Tucson and West, TX, thanks for your posts.  They 
hurt very very bad/good.  We missed both so much, and envied you all that made 
them!  

Cheers,
Norm
(http://tektitesource.com)




--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Bill Hall meteorit...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Bill Hall meteorit...@gmail.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:18 AM
 Hello to all,
   I've tried to post on here over a
 year ago and
 couldn't get any thru. Thanks Steve Dunklee for the
 advice. My problem
 was different, but you inspired me to work on it again.
 gmail has a
 tab you must click to send messages as plain text.
 
 OK METEORITES. I probably got the bug the same way many of
 you did,
 watching a show with Robert Haag searching for the Tucson
 Meteorite.
 This was many years ago, and thanks a lot Robert if you
 read this.  I
 hope your HAPPY! You've created a brand new Addiction
 all on your own!
 Soon after this I purchased O Richard Nortons book Rocks
 From Space.
 Great book, but guess what! I found out I lived only 5
 miles from
 Richard and Dorthy Norton!. I found myself soon sitting at
 the kitchen
 table looking at thin sections with Richard, and learning
 all about
 chondrules, etc. What a treat!! He told me all about the
 field of
 meteoritics, and this pushed me over the edge. I have a
 serious
 problem when it comes to meteorites. I'm a bit of a
 freak I
 suppose,... I take meteorites with me wherever I go, I buy
 meteorites
 for less than their worth, more than their worth, give them
 to
 strangers, and pass them out at star parties to the
 children. I
 constantly think about all the different ways to include
 them in my
 life, process them, preserve them, make things from them,
 hunting for
 them, e-bay etc. Its a wonder I get anything done at all!
 
 Took a trip to Florida in 2003, went to Kennedy Space
 Center, and
 purchased my 1st meteorite. About 40 grams on Nantan crust
 for only
 $40!! How funny!  I was ( and still am ) so happy to have
 my Nantan
 crust rust. ( No I don't want to buy any more @ $1
 gram, but thanks )
 I did go back in 2004 and buy another piece however.
 
 
 Oct, 2007 found me heading to Arizona, (I live in Bend
 Oregon) what a
 ride! I spent 4 month there hunting meteorites, and
 purchasing
 whenever possible. Made my 1st trip to meteor crater, UN
 believable
 experience! Met all the guys from Morocco, and purchased
 several
 kilo's  NWA, a few kilos here a few kilos there. Spent
 most of my time
 in Quartzsite working (I have a mobile RV service business)
 and
 playing. In quartzsite I met a guy who many of you know
 I'm sure who
 brings us the Campo's. I spent nearly every spare
 moment working on,
 and discussing meteorite hunting, preservation, future
 searches for
 the Esquel Palllasite etc. and a BBQ almost every night.
 Ended up with
 Campo's running out my ears! Then my new friend had to
 go to
 Tucson,... how sad I had to stay and work. Well he
 called me
 several times from there, and made several nice purchases
 for me, some
 of these were purchased from list members.
 
 #1 I got the nice big Brenham slice, with the L.A. Times
 newspaper,
 thanks Steve Arnold, I love it!
 #2 I got a big 12 kilo complete oriented chondrite, I think
 it came
 from Mohammad, but not sure
 #3 I got a 1 kilo Seymchan, and small 40 gram slice from
 one of you guys.
 and several other smaller pieces, thanks everyone.
 
 I vowed to make it to Tucson in 2009. I kept that
 vow...WOW!
 Even before I went, I had the pleasure to meet Ruben in
 Quartzsite,
 and be in one of his videos. Oh yea! I forgot, I found a 40
 plus gram
 chondrite in the Quartzsite area. My 1st find, I GPS the
 coordinates,
 and photo in situ, etc. My friend Mark and I had walked for
 a hundred
 miles before we found it. How cool it wasand Ruben
 videoed it with
 his new HD camera, and stuck it on You Tube. SO COOL,
 thanks Ruben!
 
 Then Tucson: Oh boy..the post is getting long, sorry so
 exited to
 post.be calm, breath...OK 1st stop, the Ramada, and
 got 8 kilo
 chondrites from a nice boy from Morocco for REALLY cheap!
 then to the
 Days Inn and found my Campo connection, visited a bit, then
 Steve
 Arnold walked up and I got to meet him! Almost peed my
 pants! Then got
 oriented, found a place to park for the day, and headed to
 Inn Suites.
 Here I met Marvin Kilgore, ( again nearly peed)
 what a nice
 guy! purchased his book, and talked meteorites for an hour
 or so, met
 his nice wife Kitty and got some pictures. thanks Marvin
 and Kitty.
 Then met Bruno Fectay and Corine Bidaut, SUPER nice people.
 Checked
 out their Mars rock Chassignite, nice..and took their
 picture!
 Thanks.  Then found Mike 

[meteorite-list] AD Carancas

2009-03-15 Thread cdtucson
Large Carancas on ebay ending tody. Please check it out. Thanks.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemssPageName=STRK:MESELX:ITitem=280321688274
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[meteorite-list] PALLASITE SLICE WANTED

2009-03-15 Thread R N Hartman

NOTICE:

Mt. San Antonio College is interested in purchasing a pallasite for student
display.  Please note the following:

Amounted budgeted is $500.00 only (tax and shipping many be added as
applicable).

No preference as to which find is offered as long as it is a stable piece.

Preferably, a thin slice is wanted, finishing to a fine polish on on
one-side at least, but a poor, scratched, uneven, rusty, fissured, or
otherwise unsatisfactory piece will not be accepted.

30 day guarantee is required.  We reserve the right to inspect prior to
acceptance and to return any unsatisfactory piece.

Please submit offers to:

Ron Hartman
rhartma...@earthlink.net

Notification of the accepted offer will be made by Mt. San Antonio College.

Offer of acceptance will be made within one week.  We regret we may not be
able to respond to offers that are rejected.

Purchase will be made on a Mt. San Antonio College Purchase Order and seller
must Invoice the college.

Thank You.

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[meteorite-list] Tektites

2009-03-15 Thread Aubrey Whymark
Hi

I just read Bill's post about Plain Text. So this is how you post to
the Meteorite List! I gave up trying to post ages ago as my posts
never got through! I thought it was because I didn't live in America!

Whats New? http://www.tektites.co.uk/whats-new.html

Recently I've written about the largest tektites in the world (I need
you help!), about Vietnam tektites and done some You Tube videos - my
first attempt!

Also check out my Indochinite and Philippinite formation pages!
http://www.tektites.co.uk/indochinites.html and
http://www.tektites.co.uk/philippinites.html

Loads of other tektite pages too!

Also I apologise in advance about any delay in replies. I'm in the
Persian Gulf on a satellite connection.

Thanks, Aubrey Whymark
www.tektites.co.uk
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Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?

2009-03-15 Thread Bob Loeffler
Hi Mike and list,

I don't know who Teddy is, but the way I saw it was that he was just trying
to help since nobody else was publicly pulling the stone count data together
into a centralized place.  We would all see the numerous e-mails that said
Rob found x stones, then another that said Ruben found y stones, etc.
But it would be easy to miss one of the emails, and most of us don't have
time to compile the info ourselves.  Maybe someone was already doing that
behind the scenes without the list knowing about it, or maybe not.  I just
thought that it was nice of Teddy to take the initiative to do it.  Did he
have some other motive?  Who knows!  But I don't see what he could've gotten
from doing this besides a thank you and maybe his name credited at the end
of an official report.

On a slightly different tangent, I wanted to say thanks to you and all of
the people who did all of the walking of the fields to rescue as many of
the West meteorites as possible.

Thanks and regards,

Bob



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Farmer
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:39 PM
To: Meteorite List; Notkin
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?


Geoff

Perhaps you are mistaken in you assumptions. 
I along with Robert Woolard asked for that data at first so that the article
in Meteorite Magazine could be written with as much up-to-date information
as possible as we were on an extremely tight time limit.
We got no response from several people, and merely asked several times. I
have all data from the people I was working with, and as I said earlier,
there was no need to provide daily additions until we are finished hunting.
I saw 5 more stones found today, I found one of them. The people I named
were already gone from the field so their totals would be final or nearly
so. 

As far as Teddy goes. I am a little interested how a person who is
absolutely unknown, and who has never posted a single post to the list
suddenly came to be 48 hours ago and is now the point man for West field
work. Using a GMAIL account and appearing out of nowhere and getting all of
the West data yet nobody knows who he is makes me wonder a few things.

Teddy email me your phone number so we can chat, I would like to know who
I am reporting data to. 

I am working on this map, I have about 60% of the known stones and to add
your crew's stones would assist not me, but science. 
So please let me know the totals if possible or they will not be included. 
There is no problem here, no need to argue over this. Everyone seems to be
extremely successful and almost everyone who came found meteorites. Let's
finish it up and get the data assembled in the best way possible.
Michael Farmer

Still in the field, but it looks like heavy rain starting tonight.


--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Notkin geok...@notkin.net wrote:

 From: Notkin geok...@notkin.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers
?
 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 9:40 AM
 Michael Farmer wrote:
 
  Steve Arnold Notkin
  Thompson Phillips wesel
  All are refusing to share a scrap of data
  Mike
 
 
 Mike:
 
 I suggest you get your facts straight before you start
 accusing my team mates of anything.
 
 Rob Wesel, Patrick Thompson, Ruben Garica, Jason Philips,
 Mike Miller, Steve Arnold, John Sinclair and myself have all
 already provided our find numbers and weights to Teddy. I'm
 sure other numbers will be forthcoming when the finders are
 comfortable with it.
 
 As mentioned earlier on the List, we took several guys out
 with us who found their first meteorite on this trip. We
 also hunted with some of our gracious landowners and showed
 them how to find meteorites on their own property, and asked
 them to let us know if they turned up anything in future. As
 such, I will not have the great group of people I was
 hunting with portrayed on the List as uncooperative secret
 searchers. I notice that your team members Robert and
 Shauna did not have their totals posted on Teddy's list.
 Maybe you could devote your energy to collecting data from
 your own people before complaining about anyone else.
 
 It's excellent that detailed find data is being compiled on
 this fall. This may be the most accurate strewnfield data
 collected in the US since Jim Kriegh, Twink Monrad, John
 Blennert and friends mapped Gold Basin in the 1990s. And it
 would be even better if we could get along while doing it,
 without pointing fingers.
 
 
 Geoff N.
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) 2 METEORITES FORSALE

2009-03-15 Thread Martin Altmann
I guess you should pay the revenue from that sale for the list-keeper
maintaing the list and not kicking you off.

Jan 14
- freebie-AD, pre-Tucson

Jan 18
- want-AD  NWA 869

Jan 23
- freebie-AD

Jan 28
- freebie-AD

Jan 29
- want_AD El Haggouina
 
Feb 7
- sale-AD Esquel, Tishka

Feb 7
-sale-AS another Tishka

Feb 8
- sale-Ad Tishka, Esquel

Feb 9
- freebie-AD Tishka

Feb 9
- sale-AD Tishka

Feb 10
- sale-AD Tishka

Feb 10
- freebie-AD Peekskill

Feb 12 
- want-AD oriented NWAs

Feb 12
- freebie AD Canyon Dibalo, Odessa, Sikhote

Feb 16
- trade-AD Portales Valley

Feb 18
- freebie-AD mystery

Feb 19
- sale-AD Dong Ujim Qin Qi

Feb 22
- freebie-AD: Dong Ujim Qin Qi, unclassified

Feb 23
- want-AD  West

Feb 25
- sale-AD New Concord

Feb 26
- sale-AD Karon

Feb 28
- want-AD Four Corners

March 1
- want-AD  West, 

March 3
- sale-AD NWA 987

March 4
- freebie-AD Vaca Muerta +sorry for the spam

March 5
- sale-AD Sikhote + My last add of the month.Promise!!

March 11
- sale-AD Sikhote-Alin and Campo

March 13
- want-AD  oriented NWAs

March 15  
- sales AD- Campo



Makes 29 Ads that year.
We are in calendar week N°11

So you next Ad must not appear before
July 20.

Many thanks for your understanding 
from me and supposedly quite all of the list members.

Martin





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Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. März 2009 17:42
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] (AD) 2 METEORITES FORSALE


Hi list.I have 2 meteorites forsale.I have a 850 gram endcut of the campo
silicated iron.Very stable piece.Most of the silicated pieces are.$300 for
that.And I still have the 360 gram campo with a 1.5 cm impact
crater.$200.Both have free shipping.Off list please.
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) 2 METEORITES FORSALE

2009-03-15 Thread GeoZay
I guess you should pay the revenue from  that sale for the list-keeper
maintaing the list and not kicking you  off.

I personally don't object to his many ads...he's got some  real bargains 
there. Now if others would post just as good bargains, I'd be  favorable 
towards 
them too.  :O) 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions

2009-03-15 Thread Bob Loeffler
Hi Michael,

 I have 10 or 11 DIFFERENT Park Forest hammer stone specimens
 - Several houses, a Plymouth, a tow truck, a fire station,
 a baseball Field, a fence, etc.

Is a baseball field a human artifact?  The bases on the field are, so are
the bleachers, chalk lines on the field, etc, but is the grass and dirt?  If
the grass and dirt are, then so are all of the house lawns across the world
since humans planted or landscaped them.  I'm not trying to start an
argument, but just want to get this loophole closed/clarified for all of the
hammer collectors out there.  Most of the trees in Phoenix were planted by
humans over the last couple hundred years, so if a meteorite hits a tree in
Phoenix, would that be considered a hammer stone?  I mention Phoenix because
that is where I am from and I know that most of the trees are not indigenous
to the area (besides the palo verdes, cottonwoods, some of the palms, etc).
And yes, many of the palms, palo verdes, etc were also planted/transplanted
to their current locations by people, so...

Thanks for any clarification to this question.

Bob


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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Blood
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:19 PM
To: Jeff Grossman; Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions

Jeff,
This has been established in the nomenclature over the
Last few years as follows:

1) A hammer is a specimen which was part of a fall in which
one or more stones or irons struck an artifact, animal or human

2) A hammer stone is one of the actual specimens of the
Fall that, itself, struck said artifact, animal or human.

3) Many specimens are collected as a hammer because they
Were part of the fall but did not (or it is not know if they),
Themselves strike the artifact/animal or human.

4) Many Hammer falls had only one stone out of many strike
Something, but the other stones were all part of that one
Meteoroid prior to break up, yes?

5) Of course, a hammer stone, itself is more valuable to a hammer
Collector than merely one of the specimens of the fall (I have
10 or 11 DIFFERENT Park Forest hammer stone specimens -
Several houses, a Plymouth, a tow truck, a fire station, a baseball
Field, a fence, etc.

6) I have little interest in collecting Homestead as a hammer, except
Spcimens cut from the one stone that broke the horse corral fence.

Pretty much, in other words, if you are a hammer enthusiast,
Ya takes what cha can git.
Best wishes, Michael

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Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions

2009-03-15 Thread Darren Garrison
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:35:29 -0600, you wrote:

Is a baseball field a human artifact?  The bases on the field are, so are
the bleachers, chalk lines on the field, etc, but is the grass and dirt?  If
the grass and dirt are, then so are all of the house lawns across the world
since humans planted or landscaped them.  

Yes, every place kept with a cover of grass which would, when left to nature,
revert to forest in just a few years is an artificially maintained, unnatural
human artifact.  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull

2009-03-15 Thread Darryl Pitt


Hi Bob...

Bomb blasts were introduced as a way of ramping into a discussion of  
shock waves.  Be it a  bomb or an extraterrestrial impact, we're  
talking about the rapid compression of environmental air pressure.


Let's look at Meteor Crater as an example.  The impactor was a  
fraction of the size of the crater; the volume of the crater was  
primarily the result of shock waves; and we refer to the impact having  
been responsible for the entire crater.


In fact Meteor Crater is of course referred to as an IMPACT crater. No  
one makes the distinction of what aspect of the crater touched the  
molecules of the impactor.


Returning to Carancas, I don't understand the distinction that a  
bull---real or imagined---isn't considered impacted by the very same  
shock waves responsible for the overall size of the impact crater.   
It's revealing that a casualty which results from shock waves created  
by a bomb are defined as Primary Blast Injury.  It seems logical the  
same nomenclature will be applied to the first person who is a little  
too close to the impact of cosmic debris.


Anyway

Two points:

Does anyone know whether shock waves crated by an object the size of  
Carancas could have been sufficient to have killed a nearby bull?


At least  in the case of Valera, we know the shoulder (thoracic  
vertebrae and scapula) were crushed by the impactor.



PRODUCT ENDORSEMENT:  All of the aforementioned words were fueled by  
Red Bull.




On Mar 15, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote:


Hi Darryl and Walter,

I'm not trying to start this debate up again, so I'm not posting  
this to the

list.

I think you were getting off topic when talking about bomb blasts  
and deaths

because that is not what a hammer or hammer stone is, according to
Michael Blood who coined the term.  If a meteorite hit a person (or  
animal

or human artifact), it's a hammer stone.  But if it hits the earth and
creates a blast that hurts or kills a person, the meteorite is not a  
hammer
stone because the blast affected the person, not the meteorite  
itself.  I

think that is the distinction that Walter was trying to convey.

Regards,

Bob


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Darryl

Pitt
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:53 AM
To: Walter Branch
Cc: Meteorite Mailing List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull


Hiya,

My point was that an impact/blast that results in a mortality
producing shock wave is universally defined as an impact/blast
casualty.   Your attempt to pull shock waves out of the equation in an
assessment of an impact/blast is akin to taking water out the equation
in a drowning.

Moving on, I feel I should clarify my position.  I never liked the
term hammer---it feels so comic strip-y---and agree it's overused.
I agree with Anne's orthodoxy on the application of the term---except
as it pertains to the point addressed above.


All best / d,





On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:48 AM, Walter Branch wrote:


Hi Darryl,

Okay, but...


or scholarly assessment---


That's what I assumed we are attempting.  This list is for meteorite
enthusiasts, not journalism enthusiasts.

I propose we stick to discussing meteorites, not bomb blasts.

-Walter

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To: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net
Cc: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers  Orientation
from Dave




Hi Walter!

With all respect

In ANY report---except where there exist the specificity of a coroner
or scholarly assessment---bomb victims are bomb victims.

There is never differentiation between those killed by blast injury,
penetrating wounds, blunt trauma or smoke/fire.  In fact the  
foregoing

types of injury are correctly referred to as primary, secondary,
tertiary and miscellaneous BLAST INJURIES.  Primary blast injury is
specifically a rapid increase in air pressure--a shock wave.

If the bull was killed by a shock wave created by an impact---it was
killed by the impact.

And that's no bull

;-)



On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Walter Branch wrote:


Hello Darryl,


is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock
wave not killed by the bomb?


No.  They would killed by the shock wave.

If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite
then a hammer?  No.

Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down.

It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end -
Douglas Adams.

-Walter Branch

- Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com
To: Impactika impact...@aol.com
Cc: i...@imcamail.de; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-
martin.de
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers  Orientation from Dave



(deep breath)

is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed
by
the 

Re: [meteorite-list] fake Hamilton

2009-03-15 Thread Michael Blood
Yo Dog,
I went the the posted URL (below) and it did not
Have such an article. At the bottom were a number of
Links - the most likely being ARTICLES so, I went
There - still nothing on  Fake Hamilton.
Can you just give us the URL to the actual page
Of the article to which you are referring?
RSVP
Thanks, Michael


 From: Oz Dog Bob Walker qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au
 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:38:14 +1000
 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] caveate emptor - fake and suspect Hamilton
 (Queensland)
 
 Listoids
 
 Please read the article on the above on my news webpage
 
 http://www.qmig.org
 
 I'm now aware that some of the Hamilton (Queensland) I have purchased
 previously is FAKE
 
 I'm sorry to have to say that in my opinion the jury is still out on others
 
 Cheers 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull

2009-03-15 Thread GeoZay


Does anyone know whether shock  waves crated by an object the size of  
Carancas could have been  sufficient to have killed a nearby bull?

I don't have a clue as  to how big the Carancas object would have been, but 
factoring in the objects  velocity upon impact, I'd guess there would have been 
a big whallop. I can't  help comparing the effects of the rock slide in 
Yosemite National Park ten or so  years ago. In that incident, the rock that 
suddenly sloughed off the cliff a  thousand or two feet up caused one heck of a 
concussion. No doubt there was a  lot, lot more material to come off that cliff 
than what the Carancas impactor  was. But when the Yosemite rocks hit the 
ground, the concussion itself blew over  many large trees...some 3 or 4 feet in 
diameter. I don't know the exact figures,  but I feel comfortable in thinking 
that 
the Carancas shock waves could have been  sufficient to kill a bull if it was 
of close proximity. 
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[meteorite-list] test

2009-03-15 Thread Jack Schrader

Testingapologies!


  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull

2009-03-15 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Darryl, Bob, Carl, List,

Check List Archives.

Like so many MetList topics, this one has been
exhaustively back-and-forthed some time ago.
There's enough stuff on the List for a Carancas
Casebook.

I posted translations of Carl's team's interviews
in Amarya translated into Spanish into English.
The original statements about animals (and people)
affected by the blast are to found there (assuming
you want original sources). I posted lots of discussion
about blast forces and distances, the size of the
blast, the speed of the impactor, theories about its
shape, calculations of the amount of material excavated,
even the source of the infamous smell.

Carancas as an event demonstrates nicely how hard it
is to apply what we think we know to what we think
happened. It has generated praised papers for both
the fluid dynamics model of re-entry and the particle-
path model -- one decides it was an abnormally slow
entry and the other decides it was a abnormally fast
entry.

Aren't models wonderful?

There are arguments about whether it's a pit or a crater,
whether the impactor was big or small, and the size of
the blast -- 3kTons? 5kTons? 10kTons? 15kTons?
20kTons? All have been calculated, with seismic evidence,
barometric evidence, and crater dynamics, all giving
different answers. The event has even generated a new
theory of meteoroid fragmentation.

Summary:
1. Several animals were killed.
2. Cause of death (ruptured internal organs)
is consistent with shock wave.
3. Distances are vague in the witness accounts,
but so are blast size guesses, but nothing
precludes any blast deaths.
4. There was a man close enough to be knocked
flat and left dazed or perhaps shortly unconcious.
Again, the distance was not precisely determined
but he was much further away than the animals.


Sterling K. Webb
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Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull



Hi Bob...

Bomb blasts were introduced as a way of ramping into a discussion of
shock waves.  Be it a  bomb or an extraterrestrial impact, we're
talking about the rapid compression of environmental air pressure.

Let's look at Meteor Crater as an example.  The impactor was a
fraction of the size of the crater; the volume of the crater was
primarily the result of shock waves; and we refer to the impact having
been responsible for the entire crater.

In fact Meteor Crater is of course referred to as an IMPACT crater. No
one makes the distinction of what aspect of the crater touched the
molecules of the impactor.

Returning to Carancas, I don't understand the distinction that a
bull---real or imagined---isn't considered impacted by the very same
shock waves responsible for the overall size of the impact crater.
It's revealing that a casualty which results from shock waves created
by a bomb are defined as Primary Blast Injury.  It seems logical the
same nomenclature will be applied to the first person who is a little
too close to the impact of cosmic debris.

Anyway

Two points:

Does anyone know whether shock waves crated by an object the size of
Carancas could have been sufficient to have killed a nearby bull?

At least  in the case of Valera, we know the shoulder (thoracic
vertebrae and scapula) were crushed by the impactor.


PRODUCT ENDORSEMENT:  All of the aforementioned words were fueled by
Red Bull.



On Mar 15, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote:

 Hi Darryl and Walter,

 I'm not trying to start this debate up again, so I'm not posting
 this to the
 list.

 I think you were getting off topic when talking about bomb blasts
 and deaths
 because that is not what a hammer or hammer stone is, according to
 Michael Blood who coined the term.  If a meteorite hit a person (or
 animal
 or human artifact), it's a hammer stone.  But if it hits the earth and
 creates a blast that hurts or kills a person, the meteorite is not a
 hammer
 stone because the blast affected the person, not the meteorite
 itself.  I
 think that is the distinction that Walter was trying to convey.

 Regards,

 Bob


 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
 Darryl
 Pitt
 Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:53 AM
 To: Walter Branch
 Cc: Meteorite Mailing List
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull


 Hiya,

 My point was that an impact/blast that results in a mortality
 producing shock wave is universally defined as an impact/blast
 casualty.   Your attempt to pull shock waves out of the equation in an
 assessment of an impact/blast is akin to taking water out the equation
 in a drowning.

 Moving on, I feel I should clarify my position.  I never liked the
 term hammer---it feels so comic strip-y---and agree it's overused.
 I 

[meteorite-list] Carancas Bull

2009-03-15 Thread bernd . pauli
Hello Sterling, Darryl, Bob, Carl, and List,

See also:

A. Le PICHON et al. (2008) Evidence for a meteoritic origin of the
Sept 15, 2007, Carancas crater (MAPS 43-11, 2008, pp.1797-1809).


 There are arguments about whether it's a pit or a crater

.. and, as if to avoid a decision what to call it, the cover photo text says:

  = A view of the Carancas impact structure =


Best wishes,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] A Brief History of the Meteorite Mailing List

2009-03-15 Thread GeoZay
Hey, I would like to point something out that I  just found...the website for 
this mailing list. I don't know how I missed  it. Anyways check out this 
website:  _http://www.meteoritecentral.com_ (http://www.meteoritecentral.com) 
I  was surprised when I read Michael Bloods, A Brief History of the 
Meteorite  Mailing List to discover that it originated in my old stomping 
grounds in 
San  Diego's Balboa Park. I've been in both the Planetarium and the Natural 
History  Museum hundreds of times...especially when my kids were little. I 
never 
knew  that the Planetarium sold meteorites...but then again, I left the area 
several  years ago and when the list was formed, my girls had grown up by then 
and I had  stopped going there. Just a couple hundred yards down the sidewalk 
from the  planetarium, I use to show my work at the San Diego Art Institute. 
A real neat  area...anybody visiting San Diego, Balboa Park is a must stop. 
Anyhow, I enjoyed  Michaels read...
George Zay  

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[meteorite-list] MEA CULPA / Carancas Bull

2009-03-15 Thread Darryl Pitt



Thanks, Sterling.

And with regret for having hastily responded to Bob without having  
noticed Bob having made a point of writing me off-list.  Have been at  
work (and too exhausted) and I loved the distraction and jumped in  
head-long.   Sorry.




On Mar 15, 2009, at 4:17 PM, Sterling K. Webb wrote:


Darryl, Bob, Carl, List,

Check List Archives.

Like so many MetList topics, this one has been
exhaustively back-and-forthed some time ago.
There's enough stuff on the List for a Carancas
Casebook.

I posted translations of Carl's team's interviews
in Amarya translated into Spanish into English.
The original statements about animals (and people)
affected by the blast are to found there (assuming
you want original sources). I posted lots of discussion
about blast forces and distances, the size of the
blast, the speed of the impactor, theories about its
shape, calculations of the amount of material excavated,
even the source of the infamous smell.

Carancas as an event demonstrates nicely how hard it
is to apply what we think we know to what we think
happened. It has generated praised papers for both
the fluid dynamics model of re-entry and the particle-
path model -- one decides it was an abnormally slow
entry and the other decides it was a abnormally fast
entry.

Aren't models wonderful?

There are arguments about whether it's a pit or a crater,
whether the impactor was big or small, and the size of
the blast -- 3kTons? 5kTons? 10kTons? 15kTons?
20kTons? All have been calculated, with seismic evidence,
barometric evidence, and crater dynamics, all giving
different answers. The event has even generated a new
theory of meteoroid fragmentation.

Summary:
1. Several animals were killed.
2. Cause of death (ruptured internal organs)
   is consistent with shock wave.
3. Distances are vague in the witness accounts,
   but so are blast size guesses, but nothing
   precludes any blast deaths.
4. There was a man close enough to be knocked
   flat and left dazed or perhaps shortly unconcious.
   Again, the distance was not precisely determined
   but he was much further away than the animals.


Sterling K. Webb
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From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com
To: Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull



Hi Bob...

Bomb blasts were introduced as a way of ramping into a discussion of
shock waves.  Be it a  bomb or an extraterrestrial impact, we're
talking about the rapid compression of environmental air pressure.

Let's look at Meteor Crater as an example.  The impactor was a
fraction of the size of the crater; the volume of the crater was
primarily the result of shock waves; and we refer to the impact having
been responsible for the entire crater.

In fact Meteor Crater is of course referred to as an IMPACT crater. No
one makes the distinction of what aspect of the crater touched the
molecules of the impactor.

Returning to Carancas, I don't understand the distinction that a
bull---real or imagined---isn't considered impacted by the very same
shock waves responsible for the overall size of the impact crater.
It's revealing that a casualty which results from shock waves created
by a bomb are defined as Primary Blast Injury.  It seems logical the
same nomenclature will be applied to the first person who is a little
too close to the impact of cosmic debris.

Anyway

Two points:

Does anyone know whether shock waves crated by an object the size of
Carancas could have been sufficient to have killed a nearby bull?

At least  in the case of Valera, we know the shoulder (thoracic
vertebrae and scapula) were crushed by the impactor.


PRODUCT ENDORSEMENT:  All of the aforementioned words were fueled by
Red Bull.



On Mar 15, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote:


Hi Darryl and Walter,

I'm not trying to start this debate up again, so I'm not posting
this to the
list.

I think you were getting off topic when talking about bomb blasts
and deaths
because that is not what a hammer or hammer stone is, according  
to

Michael Blood who coined the term.  If a meteorite hit a person (or
animal
or human artifact), it's a hammer stone.  But if it hits the earth  
and

creates a blast that hurts or kills a person, the meteorite is not a
hammer
stone because the blast affected the person, not the meteorite
itself.  I
think that is the distinction that Walter was trying to convey.

Regards,

Bob


-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
Darryl
Pitt
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:53 AM
To: Walter Branch
Cc: Meteorite Mailing List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull


Hiya,

My point was that an impact/blast that results in a mortality
producing shock wave is universally defined as an impact/blast
casualty.   Your 

Re: [meteorite-list] Tektites

2009-03-15 Thread John.L.Cabassi

G'Day Aubrey and List
First off, I have been down all week due to a PC crash last weekend and 
finally back up and running again. I'm blaming the whole situation on my 
comments about the H word, must have been a bad omen. I'll keep my mouth 
shut now and let those that are more intelligent than I am take the podium. 
:-)


Aubrey, very nice site and a welcomed breath of fresh air.  Keep up the 
great work.  I think this is an area that is neglected, possibly because it 
does not fall into the category of meteorite, which this list is intended 
for. But I feel it's worthy of discussion and hope others will offer up 
their thoughts.


Cheers
John




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To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:05 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tektites



Hi

I just read Bill's post about Plain Text. So this is how you post to
the Meteorite List! I gave up trying to post ages ago as my posts
never got through! I thought it was because I didn't live in America!

Whats New? http://www.tektites.co.uk/whats-new.html

Recently I've written about the largest tektites in the world (I need
you help!), about Vietnam tektites and done some You Tube videos - my
first attempt!

Also check out my Indochinite and Philippinite formation pages!
http://www.tektites.co.uk/indochinites.html and
http://www.tektites.co.uk/philippinites.html

Loads of other tektite pages too!

Also I apologise in advance about any delay in replies. I'm in the
Persian Gulf on a satellite connection.

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[meteorite-list] Wanted - West Texas meteorite sample

2009-03-15 Thread Greg Catterton

Hi to all, Hope everyones day has been good.

I am looking for a sample of the recent Texas fall, perhaps 2-4 grams - I dont 
think I could afford much more then that, otherwise I would be looking for a 
whole stone around 10 grams or so...
It does not matter if its a slice, whole stone, fragment - anything will do.

I am in the process of getting a display together for the Catawba County 
Science Center for public exhibition and would love to have a sample of this 
fall along with a local news paper to offer them.

The center does not have much of a meteorite display (or the budget to get one) 
and it is my hope to change that.
I have a rather nice collection that just sits in my living room and I am 
wanting to be able to allow others to enjoy it so I am going to be loaning them 
a very nice assortment of meteorites...

If anyone has a sample of this they would be willing to sell at a good price or 
even do a part cash/part trade for, please contact me off list.

The sample would not  evar be resold and would be used for a very good cause - 
I do want to say that the piece would be mine, but it will be loaned for at 
least 3 months, perhaps 6 months and enjoyed by many visitors to the Science 
Center.

The exhibit should be up and running within a few weeks (hopefully - secure 
displays need to be made first)
I plan to share pictures once its set up - I will be using the IMCA logos for 
the display, but will also credit anyone who offers me a sample of this.

Thanks in advance,

Greg Catterton
IMCA 4682
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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull

2009-03-15 Thread Walter Branch

The problem is where you draw the distinction.
What about a person or animal who is not killed by the shock wave but may by 
thrown the ground, either by compressed air or ground movement?  Would that 
meteorite be considered a hammer?


What about sound waves that travel through the air as a meteorite flies 
overhead and reach a human eardrum, thus producing a sound?  Technically, 
the compressed air impacted a human eardrum, so would that meteorite be 
considered a hammer.


What about a clod of dirt thrown up in the impact, hitting someone's shoe?

Speaking only for myself, I draw a distinction between a person, animal or 
man-made object who is actually hit, or makes physical contact with the 
meteorite vs. not.  Nothing, more.


Besides, one could also argue that neither the blast wave nor the bomb 
actually killed our hypothetical person.  It was the bomber who actually 
killed the person.  Then we open up another can of worms, so-to-speak.


Keep it simple. Did the meteorite itself actually hit something?

My advert:  Above fueled by fruit punch from ye old Piggly Wiggly (it's a 
grocery store chain here in the southeast US)


No foolin' :-)


-Walter


- Original Message - 
From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com

To: Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull



Hi Bob...

Bomb blasts were introduced as a way of ramping into a discussion of
shock waves.  Be it a  bomb or an extraterrestrial impact, we're
talking about the rapid compression of environmental air pressure.

Let's look at Meteor Crater as an example.  The impactor was a
fraction of the size of the crater; the volume of the crater was
primarily the result of shock waves; and we refer to the impact having
been responsible for the entire crater.

In fact Meteor Crater is of course referred to as an IMPACT crater. No
one makes the distinction of what aspect of the crater touched the
molecules of the impactor.

Returning to Carancas, I don't understand the distinction that a
bull---real or imagined---isn't considered impacted by the very same
shock waves responsible for the overall size of the impact crater.
It's revealing that a casualty which results from shock waves created
by a bomb are defined as Primary Blast Injury.  It seems logical the
same nomenclature will be applied to the first person who is a little
too close to the impact of cosmic debris.

Anyway

Two points:

Does anyone know whether shock waves crated by an object the size of
Carancas could have been sufficient to have killed a nearby bull?

At least  in the case of Valera, we know the shoulder (thoracic
vertebrae and scapula) were crushed by the impactor.


PRODUCT ENDORSEMENT:  All of the aforementioned words were fueled by
Red Bull.



On Mar 15, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote:


Hi Darryl and Walter,

I'm not trying to start this debate up again, so I'm not posting  this to 
the

list.

I think you were getting off topic when talking about bomb blasts  and 
deaths

because that is not what a hammer or hammer stone is, according to
Michael Blood who coined the term.  If a meteorite hit a person (or 
animal

or human artifact), it's a hammer stone.  But if it hits the earth and
creates a blast that hurts or kills a person, the meteorite is not a 
hammer

stone because the blast affected the person, not the meteorite  itself.  I
think that is the distinction that Walter was trying to convey.

Regards,

Bob


-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of  Darryl
Pitt
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:53 AM
To: Walter Branch
Cc: Meteorite Mailing List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull


Hiya,

My point was that an impact/blast that results in a mortality
producing shock wave is universally defined as an impact/blast
casualty.   Your attempt to pull shock waves out of the equation in an
assessment of an impact/blast is akin to taking water out the equation
in a drowning.

Moving on, I feel I should clarify my position.  I never liked the
term hammer---it feels so comic strip-y---and agree it's overused.
I agree with Anne's orthodoxy on the application of the term---except
as it pertains to the point addressed above.


All best / d,





On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:48 AM, Walter Branch wrote:


Hi Darryl,

Okay, but...


or scholarly assessment---


That's what I assumed we are attempting.  This list is for meteorite
enthusiasts, not journalism enthusiasts.

I propose we stick to discussing meteorites, not bomb blasts.

-Walter

- Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com
To: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net
Cc: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers  Orientation
from Dave




Hi Walter!

With all 

Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull

2009-03-15 Thread Darryl Pitt



fair enough.

taking a page from sterling, we've got this covered.

and i just laughed out loud re your product placement.

thanks again for being so gracious, walter.

d,



On Mar 15, 2009, at 7:59 PM, Walter Branch wrote:


The problem is where you draw the distinction.
What about a person or animal who is not killed by the shock wave  
but may by thrown the ground, either by compressed air or ground  
movement?  Would that meteorite be considered a hammer?


What about sound waves that travel through the air as a meteorite  
flies overhead and reach a human eardrum, thus producing a sound?   
Technically, the compressed air impacted a human eardrum, so would  
that meteorite be considered a hammer.


What about a clod of dirt thrown up in the impact, hitting someone's  
shoe?


Speaking only for myself, I draw a distinction between a person,  
animal or man-made object who is actually hit, or makes physical  
contact with the meteorite vs. not.  Nothing, more.


Besides, one could also argue that neither the blast wave nor the  
bomb actually killed our hypothetical person.  It was the bomber who  
actually killed the person.  Then we open up another can of worms,  
so-to-speak.


Keep it simple. Did the meteorite itself actually hit something?

My advert:  Above fueled by fruit punch from ye old Piggly Wiggly  
(it's a grocery store chain here in the southeast US)


No foolin' :-)


-Walter


- Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com
To: Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull



Hi Bob...

Bomb blasts were introduced as a way of ramping into a discussion of
shock waves.  Be it a  bomb or an extraterrestrial impact, we're
talking about the rapid compression of environmental air pressure.

Let's look at Meteor Crater as an example.  The impactor was a
fraction of the size of the crater; the volume of the crater was
primarily the result of shock waves; and we refer to the impact having
been responsible for the entire crater.

In fact Meteor Crater is of course referred to as an IMPACT crater. No
one makes the distinction of what aspect of the crater touched the
molecules of the impactor.

Returning to Carancas, I don't understand the distinction that a
bull---real or imagined---isn't considered impacted by the very same
shock waves responsible for the overall size of the impact crater.
It's revealing that a casualty which results from shock waves created
by a bomb are defined as Primary Blast Injury.  It seems logical the
same nomenclature will be applied to the first person who is a little
too close to the impact of cosmic debris.

Anyway

Two points:

Does anyone know whether shock waves crated by an object the size of
Carancas could have been sufficient to have killed a nearby bull?

At least  in the case of Valera, we know the shoulder (thoracic
vertebrae and scapula) were crushed by the impactor.


PRODUCT ENDORSEMENT:  All of the aforementioned words were fueled by
Red Bull.



On Mar 15, 2009, at 1:59 PM, Bob Loeffler wrote:


Hi Darryl and Walter,

I'm not trying to start this debate up again, so I'm not posting   
this to the

list.

I think you were getting off topic when talking about bomb blasts   
and deaths
because that is not what a hammer or hammer stone is, according  
to
Michael Blood who coined the term.  If a meteorite hit a person (or  
animal
or human artifact), it's a hammer stone.  But if it hits the earth  
and
creates a blast that hurts or kills a person, the meteorite is not  
a hammer
stone because the blast affected the person, not the meteorite   
itself.  I

think that is the distinction that Walter was trying to convey.

Regards,

Bob


-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of   
Darryl

Pitt
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:53 AM
To: Walter Branch
Cc: Meteorite Mailing List
Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull


Hiya,

My point was that an impact/blast that results in a mortality
producing shock wave is universally defined as an impact/blast
casualty.   Your attempt to pull shock waves out of the equation in  
an
assessment of an impact/blast is akin to taking water out the  
equation

in a drowning.

Moving on, I feel I should clarify my position.  I never liked the
term hammer---it feels so comic strip-y---and agree it's overused.
I agree with Anne's orthodoxy on the application of the term---except
as it pertains to the point addressed above.


All best / d,





On Mar 11, 2009, at 6:48 AM, Walter Branch wrote:


Hi Darryl,

Okay, but...


or scholarly assessment---


That's what I assumed we are attempting.  This list is for meteorite
enthusiasts, not journalism enthusiasts.

I propose we stick to discussing meteorites, not bomb blasts.

-Walter

- Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt 

[meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT - UPDATE MARCH 15, 2009

2009-03-15 Thread Michael Johnson
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html

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[meteorite-list] March Issue of Meteorite-Times Is Up

2009-03-15 Thread Paul Harris

Hello Everyone!

The March issue of Meteorite-Times is now up.

A huge thank you to all the writers!

http://www.meteorite-times.com/

Paul and Jim

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[meteorite-list] Happy B-day to San Juan Capistrano

2009-03-15 Thread Robert Verish

On this date in 1973 the San Juan Capistrano meteorite (a 56 gram H6-chondrite) 
punched a hole through the roof of a carport in a trailer park, becoming 
California's first AND ONLY recognized fall.

How is it that a state of this size and population has only one fall?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Happy B-day to San Juan Capistrano

2009-03-15 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi,

I think the key word there is recognized.

It takes a lot to get noticed in California...


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Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:21 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy B-day to San Juan Capistrano



On this date in 1973 the San Juan Capistrano meteorite (a 56 gram 
H6-chondrite) punched a hole through the roof of a carport in a trailer 
park, becoming California's first AND ONLY recognized fall.

How is it that a state of this size and population has only one fall?

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[meteorite-list] test - delete

2009-03-15 Thread gian gallo


Trying to see if finally we can go through the list.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] test - delete

2009-03-15 Thread gian gallo


Hola to all. Seems we´ve finally done it...but could not copy a linkwill 
have another try.
 
Hasta la vista,
 
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[meteorite-list] Olivine barred chondrule on surface.

2009-03-15 Thread gian gallo

Hola to all. Want to share some pictures of a small NWA unc met, that have a 
seldom seen feature on its weathered crust : a barred olivine chodrule :
 
http://inlinethumb17.webshots.com/44496/2377556290100862759S600x600Q85.jpg
 
http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/40658/2650081550100862759S600x600Q85.jpg
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Bull

2009-03-15 Thread Mr EMan

Hello George, List
I believe Carl pointed out that the translated term Bull does not necessarily 
mean bovine but could be any male animal. I don't know if ewe included all 
female animals and not just a female sheep. So the bull reference could be 
referring to the llama.

In blast/overpressure testing I am directly familiar with, goats and less so 
sheep, have an aorta defect which makes them highly susceptible to shock that 
doesn't affect humans.

Elton

--- On Sun, 3/15/09, geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com wrote:
 Does anyone know whether shock  waves crated by an
 object the size of  
 Carancas could have been  sufficient to have killed a
 nearby bull?

 I feel comfortable in thinking that the Carancas shock waves could have been  
sufficient to kill a bull if it was of close proximity. 
GeoZay  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Test

2009-03-15 Thread gian gallo

Hola John. Yes amigo...at lastbutdon´t worry...be happy...we have been 
following the list for quite a while..and have seen many things here...nothing 
different as for the fora we are accustomed to.
 
Thanks for your welcome.
 
Hasta la vista,
 
larense


 From: j...@cabassi.net
 To: gian...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Test
 Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 20:10:46 -0700










 G'Day Larense

 Bloody hell mate! You finally did it! We tried to
 help you out, could've got you on alot earlier. But I'm glad to see you've
 worked it out and you're posting. Now all you have to do is hang in there.
 The met list can get brutal sometimes; especially with some personal emails 
 that
 don't come up on the list. We've been through it and are still trying to make 
 a
 stand and be accepted. But I suppose like all things, it takes time. But don't
 give up and don't back down, speak your peace and don't be
 intimidated.



 Congratulations amigo. I now have another on my
 side on the met list and vice versa.



 Cheers

 Johnno
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Re: [meteorite-list] Test

2009-03-15 Thread John.L.Cabassi

G'Day Larense
I'm glad you took in jest, I knew you would. But seriously, the Met List is 
a great place with some great people; very knowledgeable people and I 
respect all those that are on here. Sometimes it can get argumentative, 
sometimes very funny, but best of all ... they all have Meteorites in their 
hearts.


Cheers
John

- Original Message - 
From: gian gallo gian...@hotmail.com
To: Johnno j...@cabassi.net; Met- List 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test



Hola John. Yes amigo...at lastbutdon´t worry...be happy...we have 
been following the list for quite a while..and have seen many things 
here...nothing different as for the fora we are accustomed to.


Thanks for your welcome.

Hasta la vista,

larense

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[meteorite-list] Chiemgau--an unsung hammer

2009-03-15 Thread Mr EMan

Chiemgau in Southern Germany contains a 4500yo crater field which was largely 
brought to scientific light just this decade and largely investigated by what 
we fondly know as amateurs --quiet capable and serious amateurs I might add. 
These appears to be a perfect marriage of amateur and academic cooperation.

Their thoroughness is a hallmark to achieve in future investigation.
Documentation for this crater field is top notch and has been presented in 
detail at this website.

http://www.chiemgau-impact.com/geschichte.html

The PDF file at this link is deserving of book status and contains amongst 
other things, photos of bone and hair samples suggesting the Chiemgau impactor 
was indeed a very large hammer.

http://www.chiemgau-impact.com/artikel2.pdf

Are any of the CIRT members also members of this list?  IF so please speak up 
and take a bow!!

Elton
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[meteorite-list] My Two West Texas Videos Meteorite Recovery and Hopper

2009-03-15 Thread Ruben Garcia

Hi all, 
I wanted to let everyone know that my West, Texas videos are now public and are 
part of my Meteorite-Times article for March.

The first video tells of my experiences in West with Steve Arnold, Sonny Clary 
and Mike Miller. It details how my first West meteorite was found in a cemetery 
and also Mike Millers 212 gram find - It was for a while the main mass. 

The second video follows Rob Wesel and Myself around as we pursue the Hopper 
Stone. The sound track of this video is actually written and performed by 
Mitch Bynum (Hopper's) owner.

View them both here.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2009/march/Rubens_Hunting_Grounds.htm

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) 2 METEORITES FORSALE

2009-03-15 Thread Mr EMan


--- On Sun, 3/15/09, geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com wrote:
 I personally don't object to his many ads...he's
 got some  real bargains  there. Now if others would post just as good 
 bargains, I'd be  favorable towards them too.  :O) 
 GeoZay  

 Caveat Emptor George-- For several sellers there are a fair amount of reports 
of:
1) meteorites never shipped after being paid for, 
2)specimens bought and never paid for and, 
3)switching junk material out and selling it for more valuable and better known 
material with faked provenience. 

Even with a copy of a data card from a reputable prior owner you've no way of 
knowing you were getting what was offered.  Ever wonder how a seller can 
dispose of material costing $50 a gram for $5 a gram, else give it away for 
advertising and still be in business? Offers that are concluded at well below 
market value can't go on year after year unless something fishy is going 
on--such as what is being advertised really isn't what is actually on the 
table. For me Gosh I umm  I mixed up data cards  aaah h  I got mixed up, 
I'll never do it again are smoke screens for scammers 99% of the time.

I'd only buy if there was no chance it could be misidentified( Millillibillie, 
SA, Gao complete stone  etc. and It was no more than 30% of the published 
purchase price.  Some sellers always publish their purchase price just in 
advance of posting it to ebay.

Elton

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Re: [meteorite-list] Iridium (+ Osmium ? + Technetium ?) measuring and testing

2009-03-15 Thread Mr EMan


Hello Darren The original post never made it to my mail box. To the original 
posters questions about metal detectors:

One of the points to be made is that a metal detector only detects free metal 
not elements.  It is a field test and searching for specific elements is a 
lab test'
 
 As they say on the American TV Game Show-- Family Feud --gudanzer! my I 
say--gudlinks.
Elton

--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote:
 
 A- measuring on the field/ meteorite finding/ first testing:
 I read often that finders/hunters use magnets. What
 about a metal detector measuring Iridium ?
 or is Iridium detection too close to other elements, or too small in content 
 to be singled out ? and what about Osmium ? or Technetium ?
 
 B- testing
 How is Iridium (or Osmium, or Technetium) analysed and
 tested ? Is there any non-invasive way to test one or more of
 them, to keep the meteorite as is ?
 
 I was sitting here trying my best to remember the name of a
 type of measurement used to find very small amounts of atoms in materials (as 
 is often the case) it
 wasn't coming to me.  Fortunately I remembered it being
 described in a book by Walter Alverez called T. rex and the Crater of 
 Doom,searched down my copy and was reminded that it is neutron activation 
 analysis.  Good book on the
 detective work behind the discovery of the iridium (and
 other rare element) concentrations at the K/T boundary.  You should try to 
 get your hands on a copy. You can preview big chunks of it on Google Books:
 http://books.google.com/books?id=kkHhl67ixwECprintsec=frontcoverdq=rex+and+the+crater+of+doom#PPA66,M1
 
 Use the right-hand search window to search for
 neutron activation analysis in
 the book.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_activation_analysis
 
 As for technetium, I wouldn't hold my breath about
 finding much of it.  Very
 short half life, both in human terms for some isotopes
 (hours to days) and in cosmic terms (at most a few million years, a blink of 
 the eye in the age of a
 meteorite).  The amount (from some googling) produced
 naturally by uranium decay and neutron absorbtion in molybdenum seems to be 
 vanishingly small.  Doesn't
 look to be much to be a mesurable amount to picked up from
 the solar wind (though this article is pretty old)
 http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/rawdataupload/upload/insa/INSA_1/20005aca_407.pdf
 
 Here's an article touching on the decay products of
 technetium in meteorites:
 
 http://wwwsoc.nii.ac.jp/jnrs/paper/JN63/jn6325.pdf
 
 and another:
 
 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2004/pdf/1877.pdf
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