Re: [meteorite-list] Oh, The Stories They Tell....
It's possible he's lying for the media attention. But what about the little girl. Is she lying too? Or was she there? JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: There's a very simple explanation to this story: the guy's lying!!! How do I know? Because they always lie!! Why would you ever assume even for a second that such an outlandish story is true? I work at a small Earth Space Museum with a large collection of meteorites. Every single story I've heard from people witnessing falls have been bogus. At least 10 people in the last year and a half have brought in meteorwrongs that they swear up and down hit their house. One was so hot that it melted the vinyl siding! (It was railroad rock.) One hit the house, went through the roof, bounced around inside awhile, then smashed through the wall and landed outside in the yard. (It was silicon.) Others have hit houses narrowly missing the occupants. (Slag, klinkers and more silicon). 3 or 4 people have been outside and had to duck to avoid getting hit. (Hematite and yet more slag.) Several people have come in with stories of seeing very large meteorites hit the ground, explode, form big craters, etc. Every one of these I've checked out has been a meteorwrong. Often people will bring in non native minerals and swear they found them here in Indiana, or saw them fall from the sky. I just had a chunk of antimony brought in that was supposedly found 30 feet underground! My favorite was an older lady that just finished watching a television show about how meteorites are worth millions of dollars, when suddenly she was startled by the sound of something hitting the side of her house. You guessed it, it was meteorites! 5 of them. (One was railroad rock, 3 pieces of slag, a chunk of asphalt, and a piece of melted plastic.) Under questioning, not one relented, they all stuck to their stories. They seemed to really believe their stories. It's an interesting psychological phenomenon that meteorites (like sex) seem to induce people to tell outrageous stories. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA http://www.meteoritesusa.com 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit UPDATE
Hi all, Here's a comment on the PilotOnline.com website report: http://hamptonroads.com/2009/04/suffolk-man-says-he-saw-meteor-hit UPDATE: Comment Submitted by funtogo on Sat, 04/04/2009 at 5:19 pm. -- After Joe told me Wednesday night about the sighting, I called the Virginian Pilot to give them his name. The Pilot called him. He was not so interested in reporting it. He had not read the paper and did not know about the hub-bub until Tuesday. He did immediately call a friend to tell them what he had seen, but then let it go. He just thought he had seen a shooting star. A once in a time event, but not knowing that so many others had seen it, he just accepted it as an unusual event. He said he looked around and there were no other cars within sight so I doubt anyone else saw it. He was returning Sunday night with my granddaughter Alana from visiting family in Maryland. He has the toll receipt showing that he paid the toll at 9:29 pm. That would put him on the bridge about 9:35 assuming the clocks at the toll booth are accurate. Could be off a few minutes. Based on reports from those at the ocean front saying they saw it in the northwest sky, this would be consistant with where it landed. This spot is about half way from Maryland and North Carolina where people live that reported the sighting. I accept his report as accurate and agree that someone should look for it. The water... -- What if? If the times are correct on the receipts, they correspond to the data time and location. Eric P.S. Don't forget he did NOT hear the sonic boom, and instead heard the loud whistling noise. Meteorites USA wrote: P.S. His comment ...The shape of it, it was just too perfect to be a piece of junk.. is also a clue to the speed it was traveling. Could he see the shape clearly enough if it were moving at super sonic speed? In addition he reported he did NOT hear a sonic boom. Or I could be spending too much time on this and have nothing better to do right now. Taking a day off is good... ;) Eric Meteorites USA wrote: There are a few things left out of the report. Duration of the event, distance from his location, angle of decent, speed and azimuth. If the guy witnessed the entire event from beginning to end and the fireball was very far away at first sighting, that explains why he may not have heard the boom. It could be that it reached the retardation point long before coming close to him. The whistling noise reported is also intriguing. The report does NOT state that the ball of fire hit the water. Only that he witnessed a ball of fire. EXCERPT: The shape of it, it was just too perfect to be a piece of junk. It looked just like a miniature comet, pretty much, he said. It was really, really white with blue flames. It was pretty wild. Butler said he didn't hear the boom, only a whistling roar as the object flew past. The wind-blown water was really choppy, he added, but he could see the splash when it landed.. He did give a clue as to the direction of travel although it is extremely vague as he doesn't say which direction he was looking but rather the direction he was traveling (SOUTH). He stated the object was ..coming right at my car.. He could have been looking East or West or in his rear-view mirror for that matter. The point is it's a eye-witness report, and it's interesting enough to investigate further. Even if it does turn out to be nothing. Eric __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA http://www.meteoritesusa.com 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men - Science Channel
Hello, I've found some info regarding this show. Also I've contacted discoverycomunications.com if this show will be airing on any of the other channels (Discovery, History or Travel) in the near future. I will let you know if I receive a reply. In the meantime, maybe others on this list can contact them for requests. Might help if some of you just have basic cable and does not receive the Science Channel like myself. Carl http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20090331science01 SCIENCE CHANNEL'S METEORITE MEN TAKES VIEWERS ON QUEST FOR EXTRATERRESTRIAL TREASURE Released by Science Channel -- New One-Hour Special World Premieres Sunday, May 10, 2009 at 9 PM (ET/PT) -- (Silver Spring, Md.) For thousands of years meteorites have slammed into the earth's surface, each one carrying an invaluable record of the very beginnings of the solar system. But finding meteorites, some buried over centuries by thick layers of dirt and sediment, is no easy task. Now, Science Channel is bringing viewers on a search for these alien treasures and revealing these lost pieces of our universe for the first time in METEORITE MEN, world premiering Sunday, May 10 at 9 PM (ET/PT). Modern day treasure hunters Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold have travelled the world for years to search as a team for remnants of ancient meteorites. In METEORITE MEN, viewers find the pair in Brenham,Kansas where for more than a century pieces of a large meteorite that fell thousands of years ago have been unearthed. The farm fields of this area in Kansas are known in the business of meteorite hunting as strewn fields, because the meteor literally breaks into pieces upon entry into the earth's atmosphere and scatters across a very large region. It is a holy ground for anyone searching for meteorites. More have fallen in this area (per square mile) than anywhere in the United States. Using advanced metal detection equipment Arnold and Notkin work tirelessly to find the meteorite pieces that have yet to be discovered. When successful, the team donates a portion of every find to science. Steve Arnold is a professional meteorite hunter and entrepreneur. Since 1992 Arnold has made a career of selling, trading,and brokering meteorites, and worked with many prominent museum curators, scientists and private collectors to help them enhance meteorite collections. Over the years his dedication to making new discoveries has helped further the study of meteoritics. While exploring a wheat field in Kiowa County, Kansas, Arnold unearthed a 1,430-pound Brenham meteorite that is the largest oriented pallasite ever found. Although most of his meteorite hunting and recovery expeditions have taken place within the United States, his passion for adventure has taken him to Oman, Chile, London, Paris, Argentina and Peru. Geoff Notkin is a professional meteorite hunter, science writer and photographer. He has traveled to more than 40 countries and some of the world's most remote locations including Chile's Atacama Desert, Iceland, England, Mexico and the Middle East in search of elusive and valuable space rocks. He has authored more than 60 published articles on meteoritics, paleontology, adventure travel, history and the arts and is currently at work on a memoir about his life as a meteorite hunter. METEORITE MEN is produced for Science Channel by LMNO Cable Group. Eric Schotz and Ruth Rivin are executive producers for LMNO Cable Group and John Grassie is executive producer for Science Channel. About Science Channel Science Channel is broadcast 24 hours a day and seven days a week to more than 56 million U.S. homes and simulcast on Science Channel HD. We immerse viewers in the incredible possibilities of science, from string theory and futuristic cities to accidental discoveries and outrageous inventions. We take things apart, peer inside and put things together in new and unexpected ways. We celebrate the trials, errors and brinking moments that change our lives forever. To find out more go to www.sciencechannel.com About Discovery Communications Discovery Communications (Nasdaq: DISCA, DISCB, DISCK) is the world's number one nonfiction media company reaching more than 1.5 billion cumulative subscribers in 170 countries. Discovery empowers people to explore their world and satisfy their curiosity through 100-plus worldwide networks, led by Discovery Channel, TLC, Animal Planet, Science Channel, Planet Green, Investigation Discovery and HD Theater, as well as leading consumer and educational products and services, and a diversified portfolio of digital media services including HowStuffWorks.com. For more information, please visit www.discoverycommunications.com. _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing
Re: [meteorite-list] Numa kid to win bit of lunar meteorite
NWA 4881 or 4734 display box, of course :-) Available at any well-assorted meteorite dealer. S - it is indeed an educational item. (even of each Apollo crew at least one member owns such a box). Discrete and very unbelievable International-Year-of-Astronomy-2009-offer for astronomy clubs, schools, planetaria, public observatories, private museums, lecturers ect.. still stands. Contact off-list, not forgetting to give your institution/club/purpose the boxes are meant for. Best! Martin Stefan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Darren Garrison Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. April 2009 05:41 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Numa kid to win bit of lunar meteorite Wonder if it is a Sahara one, or if NASA is breaking out some of the Antarctic stuff? http://www.lahontanvalleynews.com/article/20090404/NEWS/904049984/1055Paren tProfile=1045 Numa students learning about space Three sixth-grade classes at Numa Elementary School are learning about where almost no man has gone before. Teachers Vickie Purrell, Tiffany Allyn and Lisa Solinski and their students viewed astronauts working at the Space Station on Wednesday morning as part of their ongoing science project. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] US States Fed Govt Laws regarding prospecting, hiking, boondocking, stargazing, etc.
Hi Michael and list - I have to agree with you on Meteor Crater not being accessible for prospecting. A person or business should not be able to own a major geological feature and deny access and/or use rights to everyone else. It's wrong on a deep level. I guess someone will be purchasing the Mississippi River next and telling the rest of us to get our boats out of it. ;) At the same time, I don't know if governmental ownership is the right answer either. Give a government a solid iron ball, and they'll find a way to pollute it, mismanage it, or disrespect it. It's a pity that there is no common sense/respect/decency between human beings regarding the wonders of nature. It's a shame that some careless hunters dug big holes in the desert and left them behind for cattle to break legs in. It's a shame that some wealthy industrialist bought a geological feature. It's a shame that people poach, trespass, and deceive. However, it makes little sense to deny prospecting all across the board because some lunkhead couldn't fill his holes when he was done. Leave no traces is my ethic when it comes to hiking, boondocking, camping, and all other interaction with nature - come and go like the wind. And it's a shame that others can't follow that ethic and have ruined it for many of us who would like to access/use natural areas responsibly. Well, I can rant and rail against it, but there is no fighting it. The land around the crater for as far as the eye can see is off-limits, as Ted Bunch said in his reply. It's either Crater People Land or it's Bar T Bar Ranch Land (or some such) or it's Arizona State Trust land, so the argument for or against it's use is a moot one. Anyone can thumb their nose at the absurdity of it all, but the risk is jail time, a fine, and a criminal record. I guess I could whine about how unfair it is, but I should get in line behind the indigenous peoples who owned that land for thousands of years before caucasoid conquerors came and took possession by force. If I was American Indian, my feelings would be more valid - as a descendent of the conquerors, I have little room to complain I guess. (although the part of me that is Cherokee indian is mildly outraged) ;) ...and the sign said anybody caught trespassing will be arrested on sight So I jumped on the fence and yelled at the crater cops, Hey! what gives you the right To put up a fence to keep me out or to keep mother nature in If God was here, he'd tell you to your face, man you're some kinda sinner [/pontificate] [/high horse] Momma didn't raise a fool and I've never seen the inside of a jail or the wrong side of a judge, and I want to keep it that way. So, I'll swallow my feelings and steer clear of the crater. I'll go visit like every other tourist, stay within the permitted areas, park where I am supposed to, snap some photos, let out a sigh, and then leave. So, of the areas I asked about, we have this - 1) Meteor Crater - NO prospecting, period. 2) Gold Basin - some areas (near the lake) are off-limits legally, but the remainder is legal? 3) Nevada tends to be more lenient than Arizona? 4) BLM areas - enforcement or interpretation of the rules varies according to what individual is administrator of that area? 5) Stay the heck out of Georgia. (cue the banjos) So, what about - Franconia, Holbrook, and other well-known SW-US strewnfields? And what about Texas? Does the recent West episode give the Texans more reason to let hunters do their thing (with permission) ? Are the old finds like Travis, Forestburg, Tulia, (and dozens of others) all searched out? Best regards, happy huntings and clear skies, MikeG PS - I have 3 auctions ending tonight - Lunar and Martian meteorite display, Iron micromount assortment, and exotic micromount assortment (Tata, Norton, Brahin, etc). 2 auctions are still under $3. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle On 4/3/09, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Hello MikeG and List This is a great idea. When looking at Iridium measuring/testing (haha :)) I stumbled upon a French metal detector website which summarized well enough laws and regulations pertaining to hunting on private or public land in France: national, regional etc... We know that laws can be gray to some extent, but still it is a good start. PS: this should be another thread, but how come a place like the Canyon Diablo Meteor Crater site is a private enterprise ?! I know we talk about USA but still... such a place should be State or Federal property, no ?! or did I not understand properly your post Mike ? Good evening everyone Michael B, France - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 4:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] US States Fed Govt Laws regarding prospecting,hiking, boondocking, stargazing, etc. Hi Listees! I was reading with great interest the
Re: [meteorite-list] Oh, The Stories They Tell....
But what about the little girl. Is she lying too? Or was she there? I have little doubt that the man and little girl saw either the bright meteor in the sky at some point or was responding to their surroundings being lit up by it. It doesn't take a very bright fireball to produce shadows on the ground. I know I've seen shadows produced by at least a -6 fireball and if I was really looking for it, I probably would have noticed shadows for meteors a magnitude or two dimmer. In the reports that I've read, the little girl was simply quoted as saying something like, What was that? All the other stuff came from the man. I'm convinced the man either intentionally or unknowingly embellish his story. I think if this thing hit the water while still incandescent, the big story might be something like, Did you see that big splash? or Traffic Stalled Due to Damage To a Bridge. :O) If anybody has any plans to look for meteorites based on what this man said, I'd highly recommend you save your money for the next time when the stories make sense. This event has a real good chance to drop a meteorite somewhere...probably in the ocean, but not between these two bridges. GeoZay **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] US States Fed Govt Laws regarding prospecting, hiking, ...
I have to agree with you on Meteor Crater not being accessible for prospecting. A person or business should not be able to own a major geological feature and deny access and/or use rights to everyone else. It's wrong on a deep level. It would be even more wrong for everyone having use rights to something I view as being a National Treasure at least. Meteor Crater is just that unique to be protected from that never ending stream of meteorite hunters. After seeing how things that are run by governments get runned down, I'm glad to see a private enterprise is doing the overseeing. If folks were allowed to search for meteorites in and around Meteor Crater, it probably wouldn't take too many years for the place to look a mess. Trails and dirt roads coming from all directions leading to dug out holes all over the place. I guess someone will be purchasing the Mississippi River next and telling the rest of us to get our boats out of it. ;) Probably not, but if someone did, most likely you'll still be paying the same boating fees as before. But I'm sure the government has this river regulated already. So we now have inadequate levees, dikes and what have you to take care of flooding. GeoZay **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What metal detector works well on finding a stone meteorite?
I would get a gold bug for detecting very small bits if Iron, however to Rubens surprise as well as another meteorite hunter I know (who is not a list member) I found an old weathered chondrite with my Minelab Eureka Gold. The Minelab is very controversial machine it seems, but I really like mine, and think the people who are unhappy with them simply don't understand how to use them. Many humans are strangely unable to grasp simple concepts and follow directions. Always take a test meteorite with you and tune your detecter to pick it up, If you have it set to pick up an L chondrite it will get the H chondrites as well. Example: I swear this happened yesterday! A customer called me ( who lives in Alaska) and said she had no water in her motor home. The RV park manager had already told her the supply hose to her RV was FROZEN, and had disconnected it for her. When I arrived I explained to her to simply bring the hose inside for a few hours to let it thaw out and everything would be OK. Several hours later she calls frantically exclaiming she still has no water!! OH Dear! I asked her to unhook it from the RV and see if water would come out of the hose? She finally understood what I meant and tried it. Nope, no water, ( I was watching her from across the park and could tell she didn't turn on the faucet, so after a few more minuets I taught her all about the way a water faucet works. Yea!! now she has water.god I hope she knows what to do with it. Good luck! Bill __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] US States Fed Govt Laws regarding prospecting, hiking, ...
Hi Geozay, True. I have to agree. It's a pity we don't have a respectful naturalist permit that would allow the people with common sense to access these areas. Four-wheelers, throngs of hole-digging hunters, and litter-tossing gawkers would be a bad thing. One can legally go into some of these areas with a firearm and slay a living creature with the blessing of the law, but one can't bend down and pick up an oxidizing piece of natural iron because large numbers of selfish people ruined it for all of us. I guess I'll just keep beating my head against the table trying to make it seem logical. ;) It's a no-win situation. Either it would be too tightly-controlled or it would be too loosely-controlled. Each outcome would not be ideal. The current state of affairs is far from ideal as well, so I don't see the harm in allowing some change. Perhaps opening up the area for prospecting by permit only and issue a limited number of permits - as opposed to the zero permits issued now. And besides, how many meteorite hunters would come crawling out of the woodworks and crowd the desert looking for irons around the crater? I seriously doubt people are knocking down the doors to get out into the desert and walk around for hours under the pummeling sun looking for pieces for rust. There are only so many of us crazy enough to find that idea enticing. I'd doubt we'd see another situation like the one in our biggest national parks where people are lined up 20 deep by the hundreds every day to watch a geyser erupt. Best regards, MikeG On 4/5/09, geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com wrote: I have to agree with you on Meteor Crater not being accessible for prospecting. A person or business should not be able to own a major geological feature and deny access and/or use rights to everyone else. It's wrong on a deep level. It would be even more wrong for everyone having use rights to something I view as being a National Treasure at least. Meteor Crater is just that unique to be protected from that never ending stream of meteorite hunters. After seeing how things that are run by governments get runned down, I'm glad to see a private enterprise is doing the overseeing. If folks were allowed to search for meteorites in and around Meteor Crater, it probably wouldn't take too many years for the place to look a mess. Trails and dirt roads coming from all directions leading to dug out holes all over the place. I guess someone will be purchasing the Mississippi River next and telling the rest of us to get our boats out of it. ;) Probably not, but if someone did, most likely you'll still be paying the same boating fees as before. But I'm sure the government has this river regulated already. So we now have inadequate levees, dikes and what have you to take care of flooding. GeoZay **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] US States Fed Govt Laws regarding prospecting, hiking, ...
And besides, how many meteorite hunters would come crawling out of the woodworks and crowd the desert looking for irons around the crater? I seriously doubt people are knocking down the doors to get out into the desert and walk around for hours under the pummeling sun looking for pieces for rust. There are only so many of us crazy enough to find that idea enticing. Over time, you never know how many folks will become instant or weekend Meteorite hunting experts. If dealers/sellers have no qualms about dicing and slicing meteorites into tiny jiblets just so they can be sold, what is there to stop them from getting aggressive out around and inside the crater if they were allowed to hunt? The general public now sees meteorites as something with value. That impression has been planted by dealers and collectors over the years no doubt. So they will most likely hunt the known meteorite mother lode areas and one of the best well known areas would be Meteor Crater. I'd doubt we'd see another situation like the one in our biggest national parks where people are lined up 20 deep by the hundreds every day to watch a geyser erupt. True...but you are standing on a wooden platform and no one is allowed to chip off pieces of the geyser. GeoZay **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] US States Fed Govt Laws regarding prospecting, hiking, ...
The thing is, plenty of people apparently ignore the laws and prospect around Canyon Diablo. And what ruin has been brought upon the area from it? An eBay search yields countless Diablo specimens of all types available, starting at a nickel and running to hundreds of dollars each. I doubt every single one of these specimens was gathered before Barringer staked his claim, Bar T Bar established their boundaries and the state of AZ placed the land in trust. People, probably in considerable numbers, are illegally gathering Diablos right now as we sit discussing this. Are ranchers losing cattle left and right because of it? Is the desert around the crater strewn with coke bottles and cigarette butts? Are people falling over themselves and making the local paper on a daily basis or weekly basis? Unless I am wrong (entirely likely!), the state allowing a few dozen permits a year to gather meteorites wouldn't open the floodgates to ruin. I guess what bothers me is the apparent arbitrary nature of the prohibition. There are other areas of the country that are more friendly towards non-commercial prospecting - Crater of Diamonds Arkansas comes to mind. I just wish there was some sane middle ground between rampant prospecting and complete prohibition. Afterall, the science being done at the crater is not curing cancer - it's rewriting impact mechanics and it's related geological ramifications. Microscopic Venusian fossils are not hiding in Diablo irons. The area around the crater could be opened up a little without noticeable negative effect I think. Those that would abuse that or ruin it for all of us, should be deterred - not those who are willing to be responsible. Well, like I said, it's all moot. It's off limits to anyone who doesn't want to break the law. Best regards, MikeG On 4/5/09, geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com wrote: And besides, how many meteorite hunters would come crawling out of the woodworks and crowd the desert looking for irons around the crater? I seriously doubt people are knocking down the doors to get out into the desert and walk around for hours under the pummeling sun looking for pieces for rust. There are only so many of us crazy enough to find that idea enticing. Over time, you never know how many folks will become instant or weekend Meteorite hunting experts. If dealers/sellers have no qualms about dicing and slicing meteorites into tiny jiblets just so they can be sold, what is there to stop them from getting aggressive out around and inside the crater if they were allowed to hunt? The general public now sees meteorites as something with value. That impression has been planted by dealers and collectors over the years no doubt. So they will most likely hunt the known meteorite mother lode areas and one of the best well known areas would be Meteor Crater. I'd doubt we'd see another situation like the one in our biggest national parks where people are lined up 20 deep by the hundreds every day to watch a geyser erupt. True...but you are standing on a wooden platform and no one is allowed to chip off pieces of the geyser. GeoZay **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Questions about accretion.
Hi all, I love asking questions because I learn cool stuff! ;) How bout these... How long does the formation of meteoroid bodies and larger asteroids take? How does the iron migrate to the core? Do all large asteroids consist of an iron core surrounded by lighter materials further towards the asteroids surface? I understand the basic process of accretion, however I'm still a bit perplexed as to how the iron condenses into such a solid structure at a large asteroids center. Is this due in part to impacts with other meteoroidal (is that a word?) and asteroidal bodies, compacting the mineral structures into denser and denser materials toward the core? I'm familiar with how much force an impact can have when two larger bodies collide. But maybe I'm going in the wrong direction with this. If a meteoroid is a small part of a larger asteroid, wouldn't all asteroids once have been meteoroids by definition during their formation within solar nebulae? -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA http://www.meteoritesusa.com 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions about accretion.
How long does the formation of meteoroid bodies and larger asteroids take? I really don't know, but gonna throw out a guess. I'm assuming that in the beginning of star and planet formation, there is a lot of dust around. I recall an experiment aboard one of the Shuttles or space station where a lot of fine material such as talcum powder was floating around weightless in a container. I guess there was amazement about how this material was clumping very fast due to electrostatic charges. Based on that scenario, I'd have to guess that we can expect to see fist sized clumps in about a month maybe? I'd imagine eventually gravity itself will have to get into the picture as well. Overall, I wouldn't think it would take too many years for asteroid sized bodies to form...as long as there are a lot of raw material available. How does the iron migrate to the core? Again I don't really know, but will throw out a guess for someone to work me over with. :O) I'm assuming that the iron will have to melt in order for this differentiation to occur. I guess there will also have to be a minimum sized asteroid in order for iron to melt so it can migrate. Okay...what could melt the iron then? Things that comes to mind is the heat from radioactive elements; Heat from compression; heat generated if the asteroid is in a strong magnetic field around the sun (like the moon Io around Jupiter); and heat from impacts as well. then it becomes sorta like gold in a pan...the heavies at the bottom or middle and lighter material on top...but in this case without the melting. Do all large asteroids consist of an iron core surrounded by lighter materials further towards the asteroids surface? My guess...if there was some internal melting, I'd say yes. If a meteoroid is a small part of a larger asteroid, wouldn't all asteroids once have been meteoroids by definition during their formation within solar nebulae? I'd say yes to those that formed from dust. But if a solar nebula is the remnants of previous stars that went supernova, I would imagine there could be a fair amount of asteroids left over from that explosion as well. I don't really know. If that was right, I'd expect to hear about a few meteorites that were older than our solar system...unless our solar system formation began very fast after it's source of material from a supernova occurred showing a near similar age. GeoZay **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions about accretion.
Thanks for the responses thus far... I've studied lots of material and scientific papers on accretion, but still have some questions. The gravity explanation is great, but it's a little vague. I want to know what causes it I guess at the molecular level. What physical forces and interactions cause the iron to migrate into such a solid mass at the core? If gravity alone were the case, why is it we have H and L chondrites at all? Everything would be one big clump of mixed material. Has the iron not had a chance yet to migrate out of this layer of rock to the center of the asteroid? I know H and L chondrites are meteoroids that have broken off the parent bodies but my question is simply, had they not been blasted off the main body, how long would it take and in what manner would the iron have migrated from these layers of rock to the core? Iron doesn't just move through stone without some sort of catalyst or outside force does it? Gravity itself is not sufficient to move iron through a stone matrix no matter how much time passes is it? If there are no impacts or outside forces acting upon the body how does the iron loose itself from the grasp of the stone matrix to move through toward the core? Impacts? At the beginning of the formation of a meteoroid is it electrostatic attraction that causes it to get larger? At what size does it produce it's own gravity? Or does it? How does and asteroid become so dense? If asteroids are super dense, and comets are loosely bound material and gases, would that mean that asteroids are dead comets? Wow! I know that a lot of questions. sorry... ;) Eric __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What metal detector works well on finding a stone meteorite?
Iv'e watched my dad pullout 1g chondrites with his Minelabs SD2100 with the Mono Joey Coil. [Erik] Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 07:15:25 -0700 From: meteorit...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] What metal detector works well on finding a stone meteorite? I would get a gold bug for detecting very small bits if Iron, however to Rubens surprise as well as another meteorite hunter I know (who is not a list member) I found an old weathered chondrite with my Minelab Eureka Gold. The Minelab is very controversial machine it seems, but I really like mine, and think the people who are unhappy with them simply don't understand how to use them. Many humans are strangely unable to grasp simple concepts and follow directions. Always take a test meteorite with you and tune your detecter to pick it up, If you have it set to pick up an L chondrite it will get the H chondrites as well. Example: I swear this happened yesterday! A customer called me ( who lives in Alaska) and said she had no water in her motor home. The RV park manager had already told her the supply hose to her RV was FROZEN, and had disconnected it for her. When I arrived I explained to her to simply bring the hose inside for a few hours to let it thaw out and everything would be OK. Several hours later she calls frantically exclaiming she still has no water!! OH Dear! I asked her to unhook it from the RV and see if water would come out of the hose? She finally understood what I meant and tried it. Nope, no water, ( I was watching her from across the park and could tell she didn't turn on the faucet, so after a few more minuets I taught her all about the way a water faucet works. Yea!! now she has water.god I hope she knows what to do with it. Good luck! Bill __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions about accretion.
Hi Eric, I'll take a stab at a few of your questions: How long does the formation of meteoroid bodies and larger asteroids take? This is not an easy question, as there were many processes at work during the early solar system -- some constructive (gravitational/electrostatic clumping), some destructive (high velocity impacts between clumps), and the time it would take to form, say, a 100-km sized body would depend on the initial quantity of dust in the pre-solar nebula. I don't know how long planetary scientists believe it took to form 1-km-sized bodies, but it was at least hundreds of thousands of years, probably longer. But when do you start the clock? When what became the solar system was just a molecular cloud, when the protostar formed, or tens of millions of years later when the protostar transitioned from T-Tauri stage to main sequence burning?) Whichever you choose, once you have asteroids a kilometer or so in size, barring collision with other such bodies they would continue to accrete at a rate of centimeters per year. So it would still take more than a million years to grow from 1-km to 100-km size. How does the iron migrate to the core? Through the combination of porosity, heat and gravity. If you start with a glass of finely crushed ice and let it melt, the water doesn't stay put in the ice matrix -- it settles to the bottom (since water is denser than ice). Do all large asteroids consist of an iron core surrounded by lighter materials further towards the asteroids surface? Yes, beyond a certain size nearly all should. One way to create an exception might be to have a large, already-differentiated asteroid get impacted by a smaller one in such a way that its iron core remains intact, but a portion of the outer rocky shell is blown off. Any large fragments of the original differentiated asteroid would then be depleted in iron/nickel. --Rob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oh, The Stories They Tell....
A good indication that there is a great need in this country for Prozac maintenance programs and extended three-times-a-week counseling. Even though I ducked out of the business three years ago, I still get calls from people with the same fantasy tales of witnessed impacts and meteorites in craters so big thay can't be moved. When I ask for more details or pictures the conversations become really bizarre. Best, John At 02:06 PM 4/4/2009, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: There's a very simple explanation to this story: the guy's lying!!! How do I know? Because they always lie!! Why would you ever assume even for a second that such an outlandish story is true? I work at a small Earth Space Museum with a large collection of meteorites. Every single story I've heard from people witnessing falls have been bogus. At least 10 people in the last year and a half have brought in meteorwrongs that they swear up and down hit their house. One was so hot that it melted the vinyl siding! (It was railroad rock.) One hit the house, went through the roof, bounced around inside awhile, then smashed through the wall and landed outside in the yard. (It was silicon.) Others have hit houses narrowly missing the occupants. (Slag, klinkers and more silicon). 3 or 4 people have been outside and had to duck to avoid getting hit. (Hematite and yet more slag.) Several people have come in with stories of seeing very large meteorites hit the ground, explode, form big craters, etc. Every one of these I've checked out has been a meteorwrong. Often people will bring in non native minerals and swear they found them here in Indiana, or saw them fall from the sky. I just had a chunk of antimony brought in that was supposedly found 30 feet underground! My favorite was an older lady that just finished watching a television show about how meteorites are worth millions of dollars, when suddenly she was startled by the sound of something hitting the side of her house. You guessed it, it was meteorites! 5 of them. (One was railroad rock, 3 pieces of slag, a chunk of asphalt, and a piece of melted plastic.) Under questioning, not one relented, they all stuck to their stories. They seemed to really believe their stories. It's an interesting psychological phenomenon that meteorites (like sex) seem to induce people to tell outrageous stories. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions about accretion.
- Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: geo...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Questions about accretion. Thanks for the responses thus far... I've studied lots of material and scientific papers on accretion, but still have some questions. The gravity explanation is great, but it's a little vague. I want to know what causes it I guess at the molecular level. What physical forces and interactions cause the iron to migrate into such a solid mass at the core? If gravity alone were the case, why is it we have H and L chondrites at all? Everything would be one big clump of mixed material. Has the iron not had a chance yet to migrate out of this layer of rock to the center of the asteroid? I know H and L chondrites are meteoroids that have broken off the parent bodies but my question is simply, had they not been blasted off the main body, how long would it take and in what manner would the iron have migrated from these layers of rock to the core? Iron doesn't just move through stone without some sort of catalyst or outside force does it? Gravity itself is not sufficient to move iron through a stone matrix no matter how much time passes is it? If there are no impacts or outside forces acting upon the body how does the iron loose itself from the grasp of the stone matrix to move through toward the core? Impacts? At the beginning of the formation of a meteoroid is it electrostatic attraction that causes it to get larger? At what size does it produce it's own gravity? Or does it? How does and asteroid become so dense? If asteroids are super dense, and comets are loosely bound material and gases, would that mean that asteroids are dead comets? Wow! I know that a lot of questions. sorry... ;) Eric __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men TV Show - New Meteor Crater Book - Catalog Updates
Hello, Great stuff, I placed my orders Thanks, Tim Heitz Hello Everyone, Jim has finished the 3rd Edition and much expanded version of his Meteor Crater Book. This book is a must for anyone interested in Meteor Crater. http://www.meteorites-for-sale.com/catalog/books/meteor-crater.html Our good friends Geoffrey Notkin and Steve Arnold have a new TV Special on Meteorites. The SCIENCE CHANNEL'S METEORITE MEN TAKES VIEWERS ON QUEST FOR EXTRATERRESTRIAL TREASURE which is a new one-hour show which premieres Sunday, May 10, 2009 at 9 PM (ET/PT). We were able to acquire a few of the limited edition collectible featuring a part slice of the famous Brenham, Kansas pallasite which we are offering here. http://www.meteorites-for-sale.com/catalog/brenham.html More information on the TV Special here http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20090331science01 We've also added many new meteorites to our catalog so if you've not vised in the last month please have a look. http://www.meteorites-for-sale.com/catalog/ Some of you may have noticed that we are not offering discount coupons anymore. Some people had difficulty on where to enter the code and some people lost or forgot to use the coupon so we replaced it with a 10% Discount anytime the cart total is over $100. We also wanted a way to help with the cost of shipping to our International Customers. Best Wishes! Paul and Jim If you wish to unsubscribe the newsletter, please visit the following URL: http://www.meteorites-for-sale.com/catalog/mail/unsubscribe.php?email=midwestmet...@earthlink.netlistid=4 Thank you for using our shopping system Paul and Jim The Meteorite Exchange, Inc. URL: www.meteorites-for-sale.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sorry all. Multi-tasking has its drawbacks
Hello Eric and Meteorite List, Robert Matson makes a key point on this question: How does the iron migrate to the core? Through the combination of porosity, heat and gravity. If you start with a glass of finely crushed ice and let it melt, the water doesn't stay put in the ice matrix -- it settles to the bottom (since water is denser than ice). This establishes the hole in the dyck. However, at the atomic level of minerals in a spinning motion, accretion is a natural result, as the motion of the bodies pull particles in a spiral 'wake' after them adding either to a larger, grabby neighbor, or themselves if close to a Kirkwood Gap, for example. Several points need consideration: 1. Centripetal force (inward) plays a role since we are dealing with objects in motion, both rotating and revolvingeach asteroid in it's own orbit, ( we are dealing with celestial mechanics in a chaotic area of our Solar System), these objects, specifically relating to iron, move in an orbit producing a net force acting towards the center which causes the object to seek the center. 2. The scientific consensus seems to be that the Yarkovsky Effect, by heating the asteroids in the presence of the sun and cooling them in it's absence, accounts for the differentiation and location of the various asteroid types in the belt according to composition. 3 Understanding the 'transcient' nature of minerals due to heat (mentioned by Robert) and pressure, not so much gravity directly. Two minerals can have the exact molecular structure and, based on their respective circumstances, heat, pressure, cooling time, result in two completely different minerals. (Until exposed to other dynamic processes, e. g., simple increase in pressure with accretion of cosmic particles over time, changes in angular momentum, etc. of these unevenly balanced creatures account for some weird dynamics in this wild bunch. Not an expert, Someone please chime in, Thanks for your indulgence, Julie How does the iron migrate to the core? - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: geo...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Questions about accretion. Thanks for the responses thus far... I've studied lots of material and scientific papers on accretion, but still have some questions. The gravity explanation is great, but it's a little vague. I want to know what causes it I guess at the molecular level. What physical forces and interactions cause the iron to migrate into such a solid mass at the core? If gravity alone were the case, why is it we have H and L chondrites at all? Everything would be one big clump of mixed material. Has the iron not had a chance yet to migrate out of this layer of rock to the center of the asteroid? I know H and L chondrites are meteoroids that have broken off the parent bodies but my question is simply, had they not been blasted off the main body, how long would it take and in what manner would the iron have migrated from these layers of rock to the core? Iron doesn't just move through stone without some sort of catalyst or outside force does it? Gravity itself is not sufficient to move iron through a stone matrix no matter how much time passes is it? If there are no impacts or outside forces acting upon the body how does the iron loose itself from the grasp of the stone matrix to move through toward the core? Impacts? At the beginning of the formation of a meteoroid is it electrostatic attraction that causes it to get larger? At what size does it produce it's own gravity? Or does it? How does and asteroid become so dense? If asteroids are super dense, and comets are loosely bound material and gases, would that mean that asteroids are dead comets? Wow! I know that a lot of questions. sorry... ;) Eric __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] US States Fed Govt Laws regarding prospecting, hiking, ...
I must agree with youi 100% Geo. Having had the opportunity, to visit and explore the crater with the Meteoritical Society in 2007, I was extremely satisfied with the maintainence of the site and the balance achieved between accessibility and preservation. - Original Message - From: geo...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] US States Fed Govt Laws regarding prospecting, hiking, ... I have to agree with you on Meteor Crater not being accessible for prospecting. A person or business should not be able to own a major geological feature and deny access and/or use rights to everyone else. It's wrong on a deep level. It would be even more wrong for everyone having use rights to something I view as being a National Treasure at least. Meteor Crater is just that unique to be protected from that never ending stream of meteorite hunters. After seeing how things that are run by governments get runned down, I'm glad to see a private enterprise is doing the overseeing. If folks were allowed to search for meteorites in and around Meteor Crater, it probably wouldn't take too many years for the place to look a mess. Trails and dirt roads coming from all directions leading to dug out holes all over the place. I guess someone will be purchasing the Mississippi River next and telling the rest of us to get our boats out of it. ;) Probably not, but if someone did, most likely you'll still be paying the same boating fees as before. But I'm sure the government has this river regulated already. So we now have inadequate levees, dikes and what have you to take care of flooding. GeoZay **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] US States Fed Govt Laws regarding prospecting, hiking, ...
Hi Jerry and list, I am not trying to be difficult, but when you say preservation, how does letting undiscovered irons rot away in the field amount to preservation? Canyon Diablo was a massive impact event and there was a considerable amount of material generated from it - I think there is enough to sustain a limited campaign of responsible prospecting. This would encourage the gathering and reporting of new find data and it would generate new specimens for study and the marketplace. How many legal individuals or teams are out gathering Canyon Diablo specimens right now and what are they doing with them? Are they collecting new specimens and preserving them? If an individual is willing to demonstate good ethic and responsibility by reporting find data and specimens, then where is the harm in issuing permits? It wouldn't involve changing the law, the provisions are already there for the permits - it's just a matter of convincing someone to start issuing them. Wholesale and sloppy prospecting of any kind (fossil, meteorite, mineral, etc) should be discouraged and those types will break the law and ignore the rules regardless of what the state or Fed says. If someone with a permit starts selling their specimens as part of a business, then the permit could be revoked. Abuse of the permit, not filling holes, leaving gates open, dumping, etc, would also be considerd grounds for revocation of permission. Well, it's all daydreaming because it's not going to change apparently. It's still legal to take photos, right? Or does that require a permit too? ;) Regards and clear skies, MikeG On 4/5/09, Jerry Flaherty g...@verizon.net wrote: I must agree with youi 100% Geo. Having had the opportunity, to visit and explore the crater with the Meteoritical Society in 2007, I was extremely satisfied with the maintainence of the site and the balance achieved between accessibility and preservation. - Original Message - From: geo...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] US States Fed Govt Laws regarding prospecting, hiking, ... I have to agree with you on Meteor Crater not being accessible for prospecting. A person or business should not be able to own a major geological feature and deny access and/or use rights to everyone else. It's wrong on a deep level. It would be even more wrong for everyone having use rights to something I view as being a National Treasure at least. Meteor Crater is just that unique to be protected from that never ending stream of meteorite hunters. After seeing how things that are run by governments get runned down, I'm glad to see a private enterprise is doing the overseeing. If folks were allowed to search for meteorites in and around Meteor Crater, it probably wouldn't take too many years for the place to look a mess. Trails and dirt roads coming from all directions leading to dug out holes all over the place. I guess someone will be purchasing the Mississippi River next and telling the rest of us to get our boats out of it. ;) Probably not, but if someone did, most likely you'll still be paying the same boating fees as before. But I'm sure the government has this river regulated already. So we now have inadequate levees, dikes and what have you to take care of flooding. GeoZay **Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re; Hunting Meteor Crater
Hi all - As I understand it, Meteor Crater was taken from the Navaho people and given to Barringer by Teddy Roosevelt, who wanted its nickel steel for his expansion of US arms. If what I've read here on the list is correct, Barringer never was able to fulfill the requirements that were established in that taking. Now if Meteor Crater and the surrounding lands were ever returned to the Navaho people, I can guarantee you that the only people who would hunt meteorites there would be Navaho or allied peoples, and any meteorites found would not be sold simply for money. Ever. good hunting, and my and the dancers thanks to Tom Tom, E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Apology To Geoff Notkin Steve Arnold - Re: Meteorite Men TV Show - New Meteor Crater Book - Catalog Updates
Dear Geoff and Steve, We would like to apologize to Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold as Tim's reply was to an email we sent to the subscribers of our For Sale Website Newsletter. Tim must have thought we had sent it to the meteorite-list... Sorry Tim. Geoff and Steve were nice enough to let us sell a few of their Brenham Pallasite Collectibles. We had no intent to market our site nor Geoff and Steve's wonderful collectible to the meteorite-list as Jim and I try to keep a low (Selling) profile to the meteorite community. We instead focus our efforts on reaching new meteorite buyers which is good for everyone. Again our sincerest apology... Paul and Jim Timothy Heitz wrote: Hello, Great stuff, I placed my orders Thanks, Tim Heitz Hello Everyone, Jim has finished the 3rd Edition and much expanded version of his Meteor Crater Book. This book is a must for anyone interested in Meteor Crater. Our good friends Geoffrey Notkin and Steve Arnold have a new TV Special on Meteorites. The SCIENCE CHANNEL'S METEORITE MEN TAKES VIEWERS ON QUEST FOR EXTRATERRESTRIAL TREASURE which is a new one-hour show which premieres Sunday, May 10, 2009 at 9 PM (ET/PT). We were able to acquire a few of the limited edition collectible featuring a part slice of the famous Brenham, Kansas pallasite which we are offering here. More information on the TV Special here http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20090331science01 We've also added many new meteorites to our catalog so if you've not vised in the last month please have a look. Some of you may have noticed that we are not offering discount coupons anymore. Some people had difficulty on where to enter the code and some people lost or forgot to use the coupon so we replaced it with a 10% Discount anytime the cart total is over $100. We also wanted a way to help with the cost of shipping to our International Customers. Best Wishes! Paul and Jim If you wish to unsubscribe the newsletter, please visit the following URL: Thank you for using our shopping system Paul and Jim The Meteorite Exchange, Inc. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re; Hunting Meteor Crater
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/byauthor/212545 Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 19:20:39 -0700 From: epgrond...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re; Hunting Meteor Crater Hi all - As I understand it, Meteor Crater was taken from the Navaho people and given to Barringer by Teddy Roosevelt, who wanted its nickel steel for his expansion of US arms. If what I've read here on the list is correct, Barringer never was able to fulfill the requirements that were established in that taking. Now if Meteor Crater and the surrounding lands were ever returned to the Navaho people, I can guarantee you that the only people who would hunt meteorites there would be Navaho or allied peoples, and any meteorites found would not be sold simply for money. Ever. good hunting, and my and the dancers thanks to Tom Tom, E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [AD?] Apology To Geoff Notkin Steve Arnold - Re: Meteorite Men TV Show
Dear Paul, Jim and Listees: Paul, thank you for being, as always, so thoughtful. We are delighted that you were interested enough in our Brenham collectibles to offer them on your Meteorites-For-Sale.com site, which is doing important work in bringing new collectors to the field. Our pre-broadcast special limited edition of 100 Brenham lucites will soon be sold out and I was expecting to shortly be referring our customers to you anyway : ) The Brenham lucite collectible is a part slice with olivine crystals, expertly prepared by Mike Miller, and taken from an actual mass found by Steve and myself while filming our Meteorite Men special for the Science Channel. It has already been offered to our private sales list and there are a few remaining editions available. If any of you would like to receive advance notification of upcoming private sales, please reply to me off-List. The Brenhams have been set in a top quality transparent lucite block and are accompanied by a color 8 1/2 x 11 numbered certificate of authenticity, and an exclusive excavation color photo, both of which are signed by Steve and myself. Price is only $99 + shipping. For those of you who might like to add one of these items to your meteorite collection, you can purchase from our friends at Meteorites- For-Sale.com here: http://www.meteorites-for-sale.com/catalog/brenham.html Or from Steve and myself here: http://www.aerolite.org/meteoritemen/brenham-kansas-meteorite.htm Paul and Jim do more than most to make the meteorite collecting community a better place, and there is absolutely no need to apologize to us or fellow List members. Keep up the great work! Respectfully, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com www.meteoriteblog.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 6, 2009
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 67, Issue 20
Hi Tim, I'm in West now using a Fisher Gold Bug 2 and found 3 stones, none of which I saw before the detector sounded off. Only one would have been visible at all. One was buried in grass and the other under 2 dirt in a plowed field. It picked up only 2 meteorwrongs today. I was shown how to tune the detector my last trip here in a way that all chondrites (and slag) give a negative signal (a boing sound) and all man made trash gives the usual positive signal (a sharp zip sound). It's very easy to mentally tune out the zips. Works very well for both L's and H's. Contact me and I'll demonstrate. Karl Aston 314-614-9118 Message: 2 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 22:47:29 -0500 From: Timothy Heitz midw...@meteorman.org Subject: [meteorite-list] What metal detector works well on finding a stone meteorite? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 154b885b9f334049922f7cb4be25d...@tims Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Hello List, Most metal detectors that work great for an iron, will not work well on a common H5 or L6 stone. What metal detector works well with detecting stones Thanks, Tim Heitz __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions about accretion.
Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites, Norton, Page 36. There are two models that could describe the interior of a chondritic asteroid parent body. The origional body is accreted as it orbits in the protoplanetary disk. The result is a homogeneous body with its mineral components evenly distributed throughout the interior. Internal heating by the short-lived radioisotope Aluminum 26 provides the energy to heat the interior from the deep core of the body to the near surface. Thermal metamorphism slowly heats the interior to a petrographic type 6 at the core. The heat makes its way through the body, slowly converting various regions of the interior to different petrographic types from type 6 to type 3. The result is a layered structure something like an onion's interior, thus, the onion shell model. enjoy, [Erik] Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 12:52:46 -0700 From: e...@meteoritesusa.com To: geo...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Questions about accretion. Thanks for the responses thus far... I've studied lots of material and scientific papers on accretion, but still have some questions. The gravity explanation is great, but it's a little vague. I want to know what causes it I guess at the molecular level. What physical forces and interactions cause the iron to migrate into such a solid mass at the core? If gravity alone were the case, why is it we have H and L chondrites at all? Everything would be one big clump of mixed material. Has the iron not had a chance yet to migrate out of this layer of rock to the center of the asteroid? I know H and L chondrites are meteoroids that have broken off the parent bodies but my question is simply, had they not been blasted off the main body, how long would it take and in what manner would the iron have migrated from these layers of rock to the core? Iron doesn't just move through stone without some sort of catalyst or outside force does it? Gravity itself is not sufficient to move iron through a stone matrix no matter how much time passes is it? If there are no impacts or outside forces acting upon the body how does the iron loose itself from the grasp of the stone matrix to move through toward the core? Impacts? At the beginning of the formation of a meteoroid is it electrostatic attraction that causes it to get larger? At what size does it produce it's own gravity? Or does it? How does and asteroid become so dense? If asteroids are super dense, and comets are loosely bound material and gases, would that mean that asteroids are dead comets? Wow! I know that a lot of questions. sorry... ;) Eric __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
