Re: [meteorite-list] Agglutinated Foraminifera Had a Taste forExtraterrestrial Nanodiamonds
It's like the song says: Diamonds are a foraminifera's best friend. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Paul bristo...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Agglutinated Foraminifera Had a Taste forExtraterrestrial Nanodiamonds Sea creatures had a thing for bling. by Lewis Dartnell http://www.es.ucl.ac.uk/department/news/2008/may_kaminski.html Article at: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826553.500-sea-creatures-had-a-thing-for-bling.html%22 “Even more surprising were microscopic granules of carbon, no more than 10 micrometres across, which were subsequently identified as diamonds. The foraminifera were deliberately using extraterrestrial diamonds in their shells, says Kaminski.” The paper is; Kaminski, M.A. and Armitage, D.A. and Coccioni, R. (2008) Shocked diamonds in agglutinated foraminifera from the Cretaceous/Paleogene Boundary, Italy - a preliminary report. In: Kaminski, M. A. and Coccioni, R., (eds.) Proceedings of the Seventh International Workshop on Agglutinated Foraminifera. Grzybowski Foundation Special Publications (13). The Grzybowski Foundation, London, UK, pp. 57-60. ISBN 9788392486930 Abstract at http://eprints.ucl.ac.uk/6535/ PDF file at: http://www.es.ucl.ac.uk/people/m-kaminski/reprints-pdfs/KAJC08.pdf Yours, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale
hi greg this material is not from me , however it looks like the monzoggabro, but i m not sur is it isone from photo aziz habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170/font __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale
Not once did I ever say to anyone it came from you. Anyone who claims I did, I invite them post the email where I made that claim... I am sending a sample off to be tested Monday to Tony Irving and the test results will speak for themselves as to what this is - however Im sure anyone can see the picture of what I have: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF1732.jpg and compare it with this: http://www.meteoritemarket.com/NWA4734-596A.jpg I want to state for the record, I am selling this for less becouse I dont need to get rich off selling it. I dont sell meteorites to make a living, pay for cars or houses... I sell them to help increase my personal collection. I know what I paid for this and if the others who have this paid anywhere close to what I did, they could sell it for half what they do and still triple the money they put into it - even with cutting loss. I know who I got it from is honest and reliable as for the authenticity. That said, I wont sell anymore until testing is done, but when it is, I will sell it for well under $1,200 per gram... Greg C. --- On Sun, 5/17/09, habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com wrote: From: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: AD - Lunar available for sale To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 3:32 AM hi greg this material is not from me , however it looks like the monzoggabro, but i m not sur is it isone from photo aziz habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170/font __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 17, 2009
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale
Be careful Greg, now that you are offering planetaries at reasonable prices, you are going to be viewed as competition by the big guys - then they will start stabbing you in the back. Those who are driven by money are threatened by those like us who don't give a crap about profits. ;) Nice lunar. If I wasn't already sitting on my fair share of lunars, I'd buy a piece. Good luck. Best regards MikeG On 5/17/09, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: Not once did I ever say to anyone it came from you. Anyone who claims I did, I invite them post the email where I made that claim... I am sending a sample off to be tested Monday to Tony Irving and the test results will speak for themselves as to what this is - however Im sure anyone can see the picture of what I have: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF1732.jpg and compare it with this: http://www.meteoritemarket.com/NWA4734-596A.jpg I want to state for the record, I am selling this for less becouse I dont need to get rich off selling it. I dont sell meteorites to make a living, pay for cars or houses... I sell them to help increase my personal collection. I know what I paid for this and if the others who have this paid anywhere close to what I did, they could sell it for half what they do and still triple the money they put into it - even with cutting loss. I know who I got it from is honest and reliable as for the authenticity. That said, I wont sell anymore until testing is done, but when it is, I will sell it for well under $1,200 per gram... Greg C. --- On Sun, 5/17/09, habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com wrote: From: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: AD - Lunar available for sale To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 3:32 AM hi greg this material is not from me , however it looks like the monzoggabro, but i m not sur is it isone from photo aziz habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170/font __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale
This has nothing to do with competition. It has everything to do with proper chain of custody, legitimate nomenclature assignment, TKW figures, science and collector confidence. Just because a Moroccan dealer says something is a lunar meteorite does not make it so. Just ask the buyers who got ripped off in Tucson this year and the year before. There have been some very convincing lunar-looking Eucrites that have fooled some of the best. There was an embarrassing incident where a scientist claimed something was lunar before running all of the tests and it turned out to be a Eucrite. Many dealers had to recall the material after being in a hurry to put it on the market. To put things in perspective, Luniates are considered the top of the meteorite collectibles chain every since the article, Mining for Meteorites in the Smithsonian magazine stated so. Only advanced mineral collections incorporate Meteorite specimens. A mineral specimen is worth a fraction of its cost if the find location and history are not known. Advanced mineral collectors would be appalled by what has happened with Martian meteorites and self-pairings. One well-known dealer purchased material from a Moroccan who stated it was paired to one of our stones. We publicly objected to this dealer using nomenclature assigned to our stones so he sent a piece in for study. It turned out to be a completely new Martian meteorite that was almost lost to science. I would dislike seeing Lunar meteorites being treated the same as some Martian meteorites. Total known weights have been carefully recorded to this point and it would be a shame to lose control. I congratulate anybody who is able to acquire lunar material, have it Laboratory confirmed and pass the Meteoritical Society Nomenclature Committee for name assignment. It would demonstrate proper respect for some of the world's rarest material. Anything less is a disservice. Dealers are not allowed to rate their own diamonds or coins so why should meteorites that are much more rare be any different? Best Regards, Adam --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 8:32 AM Be careful Greg, now that you are offering planetaries at reasonable prices, you are going to be viewed as competition by the big guys - then they will start stabbing you in the back. Those who are driven by money are threatened by those like us who don't give a crap about profits. ;) Nice lunar. If I wasn't already sitting on my fair share of lunars, I'd buy a piece. Good luck. Best regards MikeG On 5/17/09, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: Not once did I ever say to anyone it came from you. Anyone who claims I did, I invite them post the email where I made that claim... I am sending a sample off to be tested Monday to Tony Irving and the test results will speak for themselves as to what this is - however Im sure anyone can see the picture of what I have: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF1732.jpg and compare it with this: http://www.meteoritemarket.com/NWA4734-596A.jpg I want to state for the record, I am selling this for less becouse I dont need to get rich off selling it. I dont sell meteorites to make a living, pay for cars or houses... I sell them to help increase my personal collection. I know what I paid for this and if the others who have this paid anywhere close to what I did, they could sell it for half what they do and still triple the money they put into it - even with cutting loss. I know who I got it from is honest and reliable as for the authenticity. That said, I wont sell anymore until testing is done, but when it is, I will sell it for well under $1,200 per gram... Greg C. --- On Sun, 5/17/09, habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com wrote: From: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: AD - Lunar available for sale To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 3:32 AM hi greg this material is not from me , however it looks like the monzoggabro, but i m not sur is it isone from photo aziz habibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170/font __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale
There have been some very convincing lunar-looking Eucrites that have fooled some of the best. And there are some convincing lunar-looking eucrites that the best have fooled the rest of us with. ;) Some of them are so convincing that they are lunars, right? ;) The Moroccans are no more or less trustworthy than any other nationality - including Americans. I know the score now. Others do also. That's all I am going to say in public about it. On 5/17/09, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: This has nothing to do with competition. It has everything to do with proper chain of custody, legitimate nomenclature assignment, TKW figures, science and collector confidence. Just because a Moroccan dealer says something is a lunar meteorite does not make it so. Just ask the buyers who got ripped off in Tucson this year and the year before. There have been some very convincing lunar-looking Eucrites that have fooled some of the best. There was an embarrassing incident where a scientist claimed something was lunar before running all of the tests and it turned out to be a Eucrite. Many dealers had to recall the material after being in a hurry to put it on the market. To put things in perspective, Luniates are considered the top of the meteorite collectibles chain every since the article, Mining for Meteorites in the Smithsonian magazine stated so. Only advanced mineral collections incorporate Meteorite specimens. A mineral specimen is worth a fraction of its cost if the find location and history are not known. Advanced mineral collectors would be appalled by what has happened with Martian meteorites and self-pairings. One well-known dealer purchased material from a Moroccan who stated it was paired to one of our stones. We publicly objected to this dealer using nomenclature assigned to our stones so he sent a piece in for study. It turned out to be a completely new Martian meteorite that was almost lost to science. I would dislike seeing Lunar meteorites being treated the same as some Martian meteorites. Total known weights have been carefully recorded to this point and it would be a shame to lose control. I congratulate anybody who is able to acquire lunar material, have it Laboratory confirmed and pass the Meteoritical Society Nomenclature Committee for name assignment. It would demonstrate proper respect for some of the world's rarest material. Anything less is a disservice. Dealers are not allowed to rate their own diamonds or coins so why should meteorites that are much more rare be any different? Best Regards, Adam --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 8:32 AM Be careful Greg, now that you are offering planetaries at reasonable prices, you are going to be viewed as competition by the big guys - then they will start stabbing you in the back. Those who are driven by money are threatened by those like us who don't give a crap about profits. ;) Nice lunar. If I wasn't already sitting on my fair share of lunars, I'd buy a piece. Good luck. Best regards MikeG On 5/17/09, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: Not once did I ever say to anyone it came from you. Anyone who claims I did, I invite them post the email where I made that claim... I am sending a sample off to be tested Monday to Tony Irving and the test results will speak for themselves as to what this is - however Im sure anyone can see the picture of what I have: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF1732.jpg and compare it with this: http://www.meteoritemarket.com/NWA4734-596A.jpg I want to state for the record, I am selling this for less becouse I dont need to get rich off selling it. I dont sell meteorites to make a living, pay for cars or houses... I sell them to help increase my personal collection. I know what I paid for this and if the others who have this paid anywhere close to what I did, they could sell it for half what they do and still triple the money they put into it - even with cutting loss. I know who I got it from is honest and reliable as for the authenticity. That said, I wont sell anymore until testing is done, but when it is, I will sell it for well under $1,200 per gram... Greg C. --- On Sun, 5/17/09, habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com wrote: From: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: AD - Lunar available for sale To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 3:32 AM hi greg this material is not from me , however it looks like the monzoggabro, but i m not
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale
I understand that. I have already taken the steps to get it checked out. The first thing I did once I got it was to contact Ted Bunch. Perhaps my post was a bit harsh, but some of the emails I have gotten made me feel like people are pissed that I am selling it cheaper then others want me to. Greg C. --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 12:27 PM This has nothing to do with competition. It has everything to do with proper chain of custody, legitimate nomenclature assignment, TKW figures, science and collector confidence. Just because a Moroccan dealer says something is a lunar meteorite does not make it so. Just ask the buyers who got ripped off in Tucson this year and the year before. There have been some very convincing lunar-looking Eucrites that have fooled some of the best. There was an embarrassing incident where a scientist claimed something was lunar before running all of the tests and it turned out to be a Eucrite. Many dealers had to recall the material after being in a hurry to put it on the market. To put things in perspective, Luniates are considered the top of the meteorite collectibles chain every since the article, Mining for Meteorites in the Smithsonian magazine stated so. Only advanced mineral collections incorporate Meteorite specimens. A mineral specimen is worth a fraction of its cost if the find location and history are not known. Advanced mineral collectors would be appalled by what has happened with Martian meteorites and self-pairings. One well-known dealer purchased material from a Moroccan who stated it was paired to one of our stones. We publicly objected to this dealer using nomenclature assigned to our stones so he sent a piece in for study. It turned out to be a completely new Martian meteorite that was almost lost to science. I would dislike seeing Lunar meteorites being treated the same as some Martian meteorites. Total known weights have been carefully recorded to this point and it would be a shame to lose control. I congratulate anybody who is able to acquire lunar material, have it Laboratory confirmed and pass the Meteoritical Society Nomenclature Committee for name assignment. It would demonstrate proper respect for some of the world's rarest material. Anything less is a disservice. Dealers are not allowed to rate their own diamonds or coins so why should meteorites that are much more rare be any different? Best Regards, Adam --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 8:32 AM Be careful Greg, now that you are offering planetaries at reasonable prices, you are going to be viewed as competition by the big guys - then they will start stabbing you in the back. Those who are driven by money are threatened by those like us who don't give a crap about profits. ;) Nice lunar. If I wasn't already sitting on my fair share of lunars, I'd buy a piece. Good luck. Best regards MikeG On 5/17/09, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: Not once did I ever say to anyone it came from you. Anyone who claims I did, I invite them post the email where I made that claim... I am sending a sample off to be tested Monday to Tony Irving and the test results will speak for themselves as to what this is - however Im sure anyone can see the picture of what I have: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF1732.jpg and compare it with this: http://www.meteoritemarket.com/NWA4734-596A.jpg I want to state for the record, I am selling this for less becouse I dont need to get rich off selling it. I dont sell meteorites to make a living, pay for cars or houses... I sell them to help increase my personal collection. I know what I paid for this and if the others who have this paid anywhere close to what I did, they could sell it for half what they do and still triple the money they put into it - even with cutting loss. I know who I got it from is honest and reliable as for the authenticity. That said, I wont sell anymore until testing is done, but when it is, I will sell it for well under $1,200 per gram... Greg C. --- On Sun, 5/17/09, habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com wrote: From: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: AD - Lunar available for sale To: meteorite list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale
Dear List - Greg C. has supplied a sample for classification. Although the sample looks like a lunar on first impression, Tony Irving and I will do the classification and answer the question as to whether it is truly lunar or a wannabe. Ted Bunch On 5/17/09 9:48 AM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: I understand that. I have already taken the steps to get it checked out. The first thing I did once I got it was to contact Ted Bunch. Perhaps my post was a bit harsh, but some of the emails I have gotten made me feel like people are pissed that I am selling it cheaper then others want me to. Greg C. --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 12:27 PM This has nothing to do with competition. It has everything to do with proper chain of custody, legitimate nomenclature assignment, TKW figures, science and collector confidence. Just because a Moroccan dealer says something is a lunar meteorite does not make it so. Just ask the buyers who got ripped off in Tucson this year and the year before. There have been some very convincing lunar-looking Eucrites that have fooled some of the best. There was an embarrassing incident where a scientist claimed something was lunar before running all of the tests and it turned out to be a Eucrite. Many dealers had to recall the material after being in a hurry to put it on the market. To put things in perspective, Luniates are considered the top of the meteorite collectibles chain every since the article, Mining for Meteorites in the Smithsonian magazine stated so. Only advanced mineral collections incorporate Meteorite specimens. A mineral specimen is worth a fraction of its cost if the find location and history are not known. Advanced mineral collectors would be appalled by what has happened with Martian meteorites and self-pairings. One well-known dealer purchased material from a Moroccan who stated it was paired to one of our stones. We publicly objected to this dealer using nomenclature assigned to our stones so he sent a piece in for study. It turned out to be a completely new Martian meteorite that was almost lost to science. I would dislike seeing Lunar meteorites being treated the same as some Martian meteorites. Total known weights have been carefully recorded to this point and it would be a shame to lose control. I congratulate anybody who is able to acquire lunar material, have it Laboratory confirmed and pass the Meteoritical Society Nomenclature Committee for name assignment. It would demonstrate proper respect for some of the world's rarest material. Anything less is a disservice. Dealers are not allowed to rate their own diamonds or coins so why should meteorites that are much more rare be any different? Best Regards, Adam --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 8:32 AM Be careful Greg, now that you are offering planetaries at reasonable prices, you are going to be viewed as competition by the big guys - then they will start stabbing you in the back. Those who are driven by money are threatened by those like us who don't give a crap about profits. ;) Nice lunar. If I wasn't already sitting on my fair share of lunars, I'd buy a piece. Good luck. Best regards MikeG On 5/17/09, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: Not once did I ever say to anyone it came from you. Anyone who claims I did, I invite them post the email where I made that claim... I am sending a sample off to be tested Monday to Tony Irving and the test results will speak for themselves as to what this is - however Im sure anyone can see the picture of what I have: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF1732.jpg and compare it with this: http://www.meteoritemarket.com/NWA4734-596A.jpg I want to state for the record, I am selling this for less becouse I dont need to get rich off selling it. I dont sell meteorites to make a living, pay for cars or houses... I sell them to help increase my personal collection. I know what I paid for this and if the others who have this paid anywhere close to what I did, they could sell it for half what they do and still triple the money they put into it - even with cutting loss. I know who I got it from is honest and reliable as for the authenticity. That said, I wont sell anymore until testing is done, but when it is, I will sell it for well under $1,200 per gram...
[meteorite-list] Two Cool Videos About Asteroids
Here's a couple funny lighthearted videos about the death and destruction of our home planet. Lets build a ship to run away to another habitable planet. Wait, we haven't found one yet. Oh Well... Besides even if we did find a habitable planet, it would take thousands of years (using current technology) to get there, and that's if we had a ship that could make it. Generation ship anyone? Neil DeGrasse Tyson - How to Deflect a Killer Asteroid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-ReuLZ2qucfeature=player_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-ReuLZ2qucfeature=player_embedded Neil DeGrasse Tyson - Death By Giant Meteor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaW4Ol3_M1ofeature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaW4Ol3_M1ofeature=related -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale
Greg, If it is the real Monzogabbro, you can sell it using the number 4734, it came from the stone Dr. jambon analysed and got the 20g twice, you don't need to present another sample. Good luck Aziz --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 6:59 PM This is NWA 4734. You can see a picture of an 11g slice I have here: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF1732.jpg and compare it to this one: http://www.meteoritemarket.com/NWA4734-596A.jpg and see its the same material. This has come from a very reputable supplier in Morocco and is without a doubt authentic. Greg C. --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 9:31 PM What is the official or provisional NWA number for this material? Who studied it? Best Regards, Adam --- On Sat, 5/16/09, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 3:42 PM I have scoured the net checking current prices offered for this type Lunar meteorite and am pretty confident that I can beat any of the currently advertised prices on this real nice Lunar by $200 or more. I have a few samples available, those interested, send me a email. whats available? 6.10g with fusion crust http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWALunar61ga.jpg 1.05g with fusion crust http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWALunar105ga.jpg .80g http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWALunar85g.jpg .65g http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/NWALunar65g.jpg Hope all is good with everyone, Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale
Adam, Actually, it has *everything* to do with competition. There are those on this List, though they be few in number, who don't gouge their customers when they sell a meteorite. Too many dealers charge outrageous prices for similar products. Inevitably, I read posts from the high priced dealers putting down those dealers who give a better bargain. I'll say it again, it has everything to do with competion. As one who has limited financial resources, I have always appreciated those dealers who give a good product, while charging a *fair* price. Sometimes I have to laugh and just shake my head when I see some of the deals being offered by the more unreasonable, high charging dealers. Greg Lindh Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:27:25 -0700 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale This has nothing to do with competition. It has everything to do with proper chain of custody, legitimate nomenclature assignment, TKW figures, science and collector confidence. Just because a Moroccan dealer says something is a lunar meteorite does not make it so. Just ask the buyers who got ripped off in Tucson this year and the year before. There have been some very convincing lunar-looking Eucrites that have fooled some of the best. There was an embarrassing incident where a scientist claimed something was lunar before running all of the tests and it turned out to be a Eucrite. Many dealers had to recall the material after being in a hurry to put it on the market. To put things in perspective, Luniates are considered the top of the meteorite collectibles chain every since the article, Mining for Meteorites in the Smithsonian magazine stated so. Only advanced mineral collections incorporate Meteorite specimens. A mineral specimen is worth a fraction of its cost if the find location and history are not known. Advanced mineral collectors would be appalled by what has happened with Martian meteorites and self-pairings. One well-known dealer purchased material from a Moroccan who stated it was paired to one of our stones. We publicly objected to this dealer using nomenclature assigned to our stones so he sent a piece in for study. It turned out to be a completely new Martian meteorite that was almost lost to science. I would dislike seeing Lunar meteorites being treated the same as some Martian meteorites. Total known weights have been carefully recorded to this point and it would be a shame to lose control. I congratulate anybody who is able to acquire lunar material, have it Laboratory confirmed and pass the Meteoritical Society Nomenclature Committee for name assignment. It would demonstrate proper respect for some of the world's rarest material. Anything less is a disservice. Dealers are not allowed to rate their own diamonds or coins so why should meteorites that are much more rare be any different? Best Regards, Adam --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: From: Galactic Stone Ironworks Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale To: Greg Catterton Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 8:32 AM Be careful Greg, now that you are offering planetaries at reasonable prices, you are going to be viewed as competition by the big guys - then they will start stabbing you in the back. Those who are driven by money are threatened by those like us who don't give a crap about profits. ;) Nice lunar. If I wasn't already sitting on my fair share of lunars, I'd buy a piece. Good luck. Best regards MikeG On 5/17/09, Greg Catterton wrote: Not once did I ever say to anyone it came from you. Anyone who claims I did, I invite them post the email where I made that claim... I am sending a sample off to be tested Monday to Tony Irving and the test results will speak for themselves as to what this is - however Im sure anyone can see the picture of what I have: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF1732.jpg and compare it with this: http://www.meteoritemarket.com/NWA4734-596A.jpg I want to state for the record, I am selling this for less becouse I dont need to get rich off selling it. I dont sell meteorites to make a living, pay for cars or houses... I sell them to help increase my personal collection. I know what I paid for this and if the others who have this paid anywhere close to what I did, they could sell it for half what they do and still triple the money they put into it - even with cutting loss. I know who I got it from is honest and reliable as for the authenticity. That said, I wont sell anymore until testing is done, but when it is, I will sell it for well under $1,200 per gram... Greg C. --- On Sun, 5/17/09, habibi abdelaziz wrote: From: habibi
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale
How is this gouging people, over a $1,000.00 worth of lunar material started at just 99 cents? This material has been running long before this conversation started. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140320408963 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200341681245 I have several auctions running, all started at just 99 cents. Let the buyer decide who is or is not gouging as this is a ridiculous statement when it comes to me and has no merit whatsoever. Best Regards, Adam --- On Sun, 5/17/09, GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com wrote: From: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale To: raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 3:25 PM Adam, Actually, it has *everything* to do with competition. There are those on this List, though they be few in number, who don't gouge their customers when they sell a meteorite. Too many dealers charge outrageous prices for similar products. Inevitably, I read posts from the high priced dealers putting down those dealers who give a better bargain. I'll say it again, it has everything to do with competion. As one who has limited financial resources, I have always appreciated those dealers who give a good product, while charging a *fair* price. Sometimes I have to laugh and just shake my head when I see some of the deals being offered by the more unreasonable, high charging dealers. Greg Lindh Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:27:25 -0700 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale This has nothing to do with competition. It has everything to do with proper chain of custody, legitimate nomenclature assignment, TKW figures, science and collector confidence. Just because a Moroccan dealer says something is a lunar meteorite does not make it so. Just ask the buyers who got ripped off in Tucson this year and the year before. There have been some very convincing lunar-looking Eucrites that have fooled some of the best. There was an embarrassing incident where a scientist claimed something was lunar before running all of the tests and it turned out to be a Eucrite. Many dealers had to recall the material after being in a hurry to put it on the market. To put things in perspective, Luniates are considered the top of the meteorite collectibles chain every since the article, Mining for Meteorites in the Smithsonian magazine stated so. Only advanced mineral collections incorporate Meteorite specimens. A mineral specimen is worth a fraction of its cost if the find location and history are not known. Advanced mineral collectors would be appalled by what has happened with Martian meteorites and self-pairings. One well-known dealer purchased material from a Moroccan who stated it was paired to one of our stones. We publicly objected to this dealer using nomenclature assigned to our stones so he sent a piece in for study. It turned out to be a completely new Martian meteorite that was almost lost to science. I would dislike seeing Lunar meteorites being treated the same as some Martian meteorites. Total known weights have been carefully recorded to this point and it would be a shame to lose control. I congratulate anybody who is able to acquire lunar material, have it Laboratory confirmed and pass the Meteoritical Society Nomenclature Committee for name assignment. It would demonstrate proper respect for some of the world's rarest material. Anything less is a disservice. Dealers are not allowed to rate their own diamonds or coins so why should meteorites that are much more rare be any different? Best Regards, Adam --- On Sun, 5/17/09, Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: From: Galactic Stone Ironworks Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale To: Greg Catterton Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 8:32 AM Be careful Greg, now that you are offering planetaries at reasonable prices, you are going to be viewed as competition by the big guys - then they will start stabbing you in the back. Those who are driven by money are threatened by those like us who don't give a crap about profits. ;) Nice lunar. If I wasn't already sitting on my fair share of lunars, I'd buy a piece. Good luck. Best regards MikeG On 5/17/09, Greg Catterton wrote: Not once did I ever say to anyone it came from you. Anyone who claims I did, I invite them post the email where I made that claim... I am sending a sample off to be tested Monday to Tony Irving and the test results will speak for themselves as to what this is - however Im sure anyone can see the picture of what I have:
[meteorite-list] AD - NWA 4734 Lunar available for sale
I have just spoken with my supplier concerning this and have been assured that it is in fact NWA 4734. quote: the number is NWA 4734 you don't need to present another sample for analysing I will now offer all this material I have available of this at the low price of $1,000 per gram and I will provide full provenance with the sale. Those who have done deals with me know that I would not ever offer something I was unsure of and I have never sold anything that was not exactly what I stated it was. That said, Ted and Tony will still get the sample to verify my claims just to show anyone who doubts me that this is infact legitimate. Once testing is returned, I will raise the price to $1,100 per gram to cover the costs of the sample sent out. Hope everyone is having a good day, Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD : Grand Re-Opening Sale - Meteorite Books and many new specimens!
Hi Meteorite Folks and Listees! I have finished moving to Florida and have unpacked my collection. My online store is now back up and running. I have added dozens of new specimens recently, including 15 different meteorite books, etched iron slices, darwin glass, UNWA bulk lots, shattercones, and more. I also have digital scales, jeweler's loupes, gemjars, riker boxes, and rare earth magnets. Be sure to use this coupon code at checkout - metlist for a 20% discount off your entire order! http://www.galactic-stone.com Feel free to email me with any questions -m...@galactic-stone.com Thanks for looking and clear skies! MikeG -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 18, 2009
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[meteorite-list] Meteor Strike May Have Caused Peat Bog Fire in England
http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/meteor_strike_may_have_caused_peat_bog_fire_near_carlisle_1_555728 Meteor strike may have caused peat bog fire near Carlisle By Phil Coleman News Star May 16, 2009 A huge fire which tore through a Cumbria peat bog near Carlisle may have been caused by a meteor strike, according to some locals. Firefighters spent several hours on Monday morning battling the blaze at Wedholme Flow, near Kirkbride, which at its height stretched for half a mile, leaving a wall of fire visible from miles around. It has now emerged that some residents living near the bog reported seeing a white-hot meteor streaking through the night sky. The theory is that it may have triggered fire shortly after striking the ground on Sunday night. The nature reserve is managed by Natural England. Alasdair Brock, who is senior manager at the site, helped the team of 17 firefighters who tackled the blaze. He said: My wife Claire is a GP in Penrith, and a colleague of hers who was passing nearby saw the meteorite or something flashing through the sky in the general vicinity of the Solway mosses. I believe this man is a reliable witness, so it's entirely feasible this happened. Natural England spokesman Will Herman said: The meteor theory is a possible cause of the fire but there's no way now of verifying this as any meteorite is likely to have been small and would have buried itself in the peat, leaving little evidence. Our senior manager went out the next day to check that everything was out and to have a look around. Unfortunately he saw no evidence of the meteorite. The meteor theory is thought to carry weight as the weather at the time of the fire was not particularly hot, and the area is not known for attracting vandals who might want to start fires, particularly late at night. One eyewitness who may have seen the meteor was Paula Hinds, who was sitting at home in Langholm when her attention was drawn to a skylight. It all happened in a split second, said Paula, 29. I saw a light, like a firework but a lot bigger. It shot across the sky. It was about 10pm and it was heading towards Carlisle. It thought nothing more about it until the following morning when I heard about the fire and the idea that it may have been caused by a meteor. Three fire crews from Carlisle, Wigton and Silloth used beaters to kill the flames as the fire spread. A Cumbria fire service spokesman said: The fire and smoke could be seen from several miles away. David Sparkes, 57, who lives nearby, said the fire was first spotted by his 14-year-old daughter Marie. The whole lot went up very quickly, he said. Normally, the wind blows towards our house but fortunately that night it wasn't. We were out watching the fire until 12.30am. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale
Adam, Look, I understand that you're a big time hunter/dealer. I'm just a relatively new collector who has had to put my collecting on hold due to the fantastic economy. So, I don't claim to know nearly as much as you as far as values, etc... But, right now, you have a 362 mg Dhofar 910 lunar which started out at $.99 and has already been bid up several times so that the bid now stands at $152.50. The time remaining until the auction ends is 1 day, 18hours. As far as I'm concerned, the most important fact follows. Everyone knows that the real action as far as bidding is concerned takes place in the last 30 seconds of the auction. Right? So, let's say that the bidding keeps rising between now and the end of the countdown. Who knows how high it will have gotten to by the time you have 30 seconds left. I can only assume from past experience that it will be higher than the present $152.50. Then, during that last 30 seconds of the auction things will really begin to pop. In the end, your Very Last, Rare meteorite will have sold for what? I think a whole bunch more than $.99. Right? So, just saying that you put up lunar meteorites for $.99 is really meaningless. You know that the bidding will drive the price up into the stratosphere. The same thing can be said for your NWA 5000 (a spectacular meteorite, by the way). It started at $.99, but its already up to $331.00. The time remaining until the end of that auction is 1 day, 17 hours. Again, my guess is that it will continue to rise in price over the next day or so, reach the 30 second mark and then once again, its price will explode. So, once again, the $.99 beginning price is meaningless. As I said earlier, I'm just a small time collector. Once, I discussed the way the bidding process works here on the List about 2 years ago, and I had a dealer at that time write to me and give me a rather uncharitable lecture. In his emails to me, he didn't address me as Greg. No, no, he addressed me as Mr. Tight Ass. He said that I should be happy to bid multiple times and very high so that he and other dealers would be able to stay in business. Personally, I found his reasoning to be a bit disingenuous. When he goes into to buy a car, and the dealer says, this car cost $30,000, I wonder if he would say to the dealer, No, no, here let me help you out. I wouldn't want you to go out of business, so I'm going to give you $80,000 for the car. Yeah, right! I've observed a few things in my time perusing this List over the past couple of years. One of the more important things is that there are some dealers who seem to give a more fair deal than others. I'm not going to put you into a category, one way or the other. I'll just say that I have found some dealers who have treated me with respect (a rare treat, indeed), and have also priced their goods in such a way that I was able to buy a few nice pieces. For what it's worth, that's the way I see things here. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale How is this gouging people, over a $1,000.00 worth of lunar material started at just 99 cents? This material has been running long before this conversation started. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140320408963 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200341681245 I have several auctions running, all started at just 99 cents. Let the buyer decide who is or is not gouging as this is a ridiculous statement when it comes to me and has no merit whatsoever. Best Regards, Adam --- On Sun, 5/17/09, GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com wrote: From: GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale To: raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 3:25 PM Adam, Actually, it has *everything* to do with competition. There are those on this List, though they be few in number, who don't gouge their customers when they sell a meteorite. Too many dealers charge outrageous prices for similar products. Inevitably, I read posts from the high priced dealers putting down those dealers who give a better bargain. I'll say it again, it has everything to do with competion. As one who has limited financial resources, I have always appreciated those dealers who give a good product, while charging a *fair* price. Sometimes I have to laugh and just shake my head when I see some of the deals being offered by the more unreasonable, high charging dealers. Greg Lindh Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:27:25 -0700 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale This has nothing to do with
[meteorite-list] Zacatecas (1792) on ebay
I collect ungrouped irons, and am looking for a slice of Zacatecas (1792) an ungrouped iron. The specimen on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-ZACATECAS-1792-perfect-etched-slice-12-3g_W0QQitemZ27038922QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef474f44c_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A5%7C294%3A50#ebayphotohosting does not in my opinion look like the photo in Buchwald, or match his description: Zacatecas is remarkable in that it belongs to the rather few polycrystalline iron meteorites. The grain size ranges from 1 to 5 cm, a variation which is partly due to the random sectioning through many almost equiaxial grains. ... The grain boundaries are also conspicuous because of the copious development of very irregular 1-3 mm wide zones of swathing kamacite. This kamacite was nucleated by the troilite and schreibersite precipitates, and by the boundary itself, and grew significantly before the bulk of the grains transformed during the primary cooling period. .. Zacatecas may have shown a kamacite bandwith ot one time of .6 -1.0 mm, but since all taenite eventually disappeared and significant grain growth in the kamacite took place, no well defined Widmanstatten pattern is present now. In this respect, Zacatecas resembles New Baltimore, Santa Rosa and Chihuahua City. So in short, no well defined Widmanstatten pattern, unlike the photo in the ebay ad. Would anyone like to comment? Thanks, Mike Fowler Chicago ebay--starsandrocks __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale
Hola Greg, Interesting point, but kind of moot; while you are correct in stating that Adam is assuming relatively little financial risk in listing items with starting bids of $0.99, if you have problems with the prices they're fetching, the people you should be complaining to are collectors, not him. In this case, he's not the one setting the price. But then I suppose the question would be - if dealers are artificially inflating prices - and then collectors are believing that these rocks are actually worth that much - who's to blame? Do you blame the masses for their ignorance? Or do you blame the people trying to sell them at $1,000/g in the first place? It's a collector's market, Greg, and in this case, supply seems to be pretty much at the level of demand. Lunars are listed for that much - and they sell, so prices clearly aren't too high. I'd like it if they were lower, but things being what they are...well, they are what they are. I personally wouldn't pay $1,000/g for a Lunar, so I don't buy them. The one small slice we did buy (ever) was at $650/g, which is a price I consider to be fair, even considering that the monzogabbro NWA 4734 was initially being sold for $250/g directly from Morocco. I know because I edited the original seller's email to the met-list and forwarded it for him.* To that end, you're asking over four times the original asking price of the material you're selling. I wonder where the money went... Regards, Jason *In retrospect, his asking price was $250/g. The selling price, especially for larger specimens, was undoubtedly less. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 9:37 PM, GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com wrote: Adam, Look, I understand that you're a big time hunter/dealer. I'm just a relatively new collector who has had to put my collecting on hold due to the fantastic economy. So, I don't claim to know nearly as much as you as far as values, etc... But, right now, you have a 362 mg Dhofar 910 lunar which started out at $.99 and has already been bid up several times so that the bid now stands at $152.50. The time remaining until the auction ends is 1 day, 18hours. As far as I'm concerned, the most important fact follows. Everyone knows that the real action as far as bidding is concerned takes place in the last 30 seconds of the auction. Right? So, let's say that the bidding keeps rising between now and the end of the countdown. Who knows how high it will have gotten to by the time you have 30 seconds left. I can only assume from past experience that it will be higher than the present $152.50. Then, during that last 30 seconds of the auction things will really begin to pop. In the end, your Very Last, Rare meteorite will have sold for what? I think a whole bunch more than $.99. Right? So, just saying that you put up lunar meteorites for $.99 is really meaningless. You know that the bidding will drive the price up into the stratosphere. The same thing can be said for your NWA 5000 (a spectacular meteorite, by the way). It started at $.99, but its already up to $331.00. The time remaining until the end of that auction is 1 day, 17 hours. Again, my guess is that it will continue to rise in price over the next day or so, reach the 30 second mark and then once again, its price will explode. So, once again, the $.99 beginning price is meaningless. As I said earlier, I'm just a small time collector. Once, I discussed the way the bidding process works here on the List about 2 years ago, and I had a dealer at that time write to me and give me a rather uncharitable lecture. In his emails to me, he didn't address me as Greg. No, no, he addressed me as Mr. Tight Ass. He said that I should be happy to bid multiple times and very high so that he and other dealers would be able to stay in business. Personally, I found his reasoning to be a bit disingenuous. When he goes into to buy a car, and the dealer says, this car cost $30,000, I wonder if he would say to the dealer, No, no, here let me help you out. I wouldn't want you to go out of business, so I'm going to give you $80,000 for the car. Yeah, right! I've observed a few things in my time perusing this List over the past couple of years. One of the more important things is that there are some dealers who seem to give a more fair deal than others. I'm not going to put you into a category, one way or the other. I'll just say that I have found some dealers who have treated me with respect (a rare treat, indeed), and have also priced their goods in such a way that I was able to buy a few nice pieces. For what it's worth, that's the way I see things here. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale How is this gouging people, over a $1,000.00 worth of lunar
Re: [meteorite-list] Zacatecas (1792) on ebay
Hello Mike, Indeed, that's not a piece of the more common Zacatecas (1969). See here; that iron is clearly recrystallized: http://www.nyrockman.com/museum/zacatecas-1462.htm While I haven't been able to find a picture of the etch of the Zacatecas (1792) iron, I was able to find this picture of the main mass: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Zacatecas_(1792)_meteorite.jpg There is more than one Zacatecas! Regards, Jason On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com wrote: I collect ungrouped irons, and am looking for a slice of Zacatecas (1792) an ungrouped iron. The specimen on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-ZACATECAS-1792-perfect-etched-slice-12-3g_W0QQitemZ27038922QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef474f44c_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A5%7C294%3A50#ebayphotohosting does not in my opinion look like the photo in Buchwald, or match his description: Zacatecas is remarkable in that it belongs to the rather few polycrystalline iron meteorites. The grain size ranges from 1 to 5 cm, a variation which is partly due to the random sectioning through many almost equiaxial grains. ... The grain boundaries are also conspicuous because of the copious development of very irregular 1-3 mm wide zones of swathing kamacite. This kamacite was nucleated by the troilite and schreibersite precipitates, and by the boundary itself, and grew significantly before the bulk of the grains transformed during the primary cooling period. .. Zacatecas may have shown a kamacite bandwith ot one time of .6 -1.0 mm, but since all taenite eventually disappeared and significant grain growth in the kamacite took place, no well defined Widmanstatten pattern is present now. In this respect, Zacatecas resembles New Baltimore, Santa Rosa and Chihuahua City. So in short, no well defined Widmanstatten pattern, unlike the photo in the ebay ad. Would anyone like to comment? Thanks, Mike Fowler Chicago ebay--starsandrocks __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Zacatecas (1792) on ebay
Thanks Jason, Don Edwards has a photo in the encyclopedia of meteorites, but it is not very clear. I was trying to decide if it was the re-crystalized 1969 Zacatecas or the 1792 one. I'm inclinded to think it is the 1792 Zacatecas, but there is room for confusion. http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/test/Zacatecas1792_don_edwards.jpg Mike Hello Mike, Indeed, that's not a piece of the more common Zacatecas (1969). See here; that iron is clearly recrystallized: http://www.nyrockman.com/museum/zacatecas-1462.htm While I haven't been able to find a picture of the etch of the Zacatecas (1792) iron, I was able to find this picture of the main mass: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Zacatecas_(1792)_meteorite.jpg There is more than one Zacatecas! Regards, Jason On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Michael Fowler mqfowler at mac.com wrote: I collect ungrouped irons, and am looking for a slice of Zacatecas (1792) an ungrouped iron. The specimen on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-ZACATECAS-1792-perfect-etched-slice-12-3g_W0QQitemZ27038922QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef474f44c_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A5%7C294%3A50#ebayphotohosting does not in my opinion look like the photo in Buchwald, or match his description: Zacatecas is remarkable in that it belongs to the rather few polycrystalline iron meteorites. The grain size ranges from 1 to 5 cm, a variation which is partly due to the random sectioning through many almost equiaxial grains. ... The grain boundaries are also conspicuous because of the copious development of very irregular 1-3 mm wide zones of swathing kamacite. This kamacite was nucleated by the troilite and schreibersite precipitates, and by the boundary itself, and grew significantly before the bulk of the grains transformed during the primary cooling period. .. Zacatecas may have shown a kamacite bandwith ot one time of .6 -1.0 mm, but since all taenite eventually disappeared and significant grain growth in the kamacite took place, no well defined Widmanstatten pattern is present now. In this respect, Zacatecas resembles New Baltimore, Santa Rosa and Chihuahua City. So in short, no well defined Widmanstatten pattern, unlike the photo in the ebay ad. Would anyone like to comment? Thanks, Mike Fowler Chicago ebay--starsandrocks __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Zacatecas (1792) on ebay
Hello Mike, http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/test/Zacatecas1792_don_edwards.jpg Clearly recrystallized, the piece on Don's site looks like a slice of the 1969 individual. The trouble is that if that really is a piece of the 1792 fragment, then the one on ebay isn't a piece of either iron. H I'd say that the picture you found is a slice of the 1969 individual, mislabeled. Regards, Jason On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Michael Fowler mqfow...@mac.com wrote: Thanks Jason, Don Edwards has a photo in the encyclopedia of meteorites, but it is not very clear. I was trying to decide if it was the re-crystalized 1969 Zacatecas or the 1792 one. I'm inclinded to think it is the 1792 Zacatecas, but there is room for confusion. http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/test/Zacatecas1792_don_edwards.jpg Mike Hello Mike, Indeed, that's not a piece of the more common Zacatecas (1969). See here; that iron is clearly recrystallized: http://www.nyrockman.com/museum/zacatecas-1462.htm While I haven't been able to find a picture of the etch of the Zacatecas (1792) iron, I was able to find this picture of the main mass: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Zacatecas_(1792)_meteorite.jpg There is more than one Zacatecas! Regards, Jason On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Michael Fowler mqfowler at mac.com wrote: I collect ungrouped irons, and am looking for a slice of Zacatecas (1792) an ungrouped iron. The specimen on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-ZACATECAS-1792-perfect-etched-slice-12-3g_W0QQitemZ27038922QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3ef474f44c_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A5%7C294%3A50#ebayphotohosting does not in my opinion look like the photo in Buchwald, or match his description: Zacatecas is remarkable in that it belongs to the rather few polycrystalline iron meteorites. The grain size ranges from 1 to 5 cm, a variation which is partly due to the random sectioning through many almost equiaxial grains. ... The grain boundaries are also conspicuous because of the copious development of very irregular 1-3 mm wide zones of swathing kamacite. This kamacite was nucleated by the troilite and schreibersite precipitates, and by the boundary itself, and grew significantly before the bulk of the grains transformed during the primary cooling period. .. Zacatecas may have shown a kamacite bandwith ot one time of .6 -1.0 mm, but since all taenite eventually disappeared and significant grain growth in the kamacite took place, no well defined Widmanstatten pattern is present now. In this respect, Zacatecas resembles New Baltimore, Santa Rosa and Chihuahua City. So in short, no well defined Widmanstatten pattern, unlike the photo in the ebay ad. Would anyone like to comment? Thanks, Mike Fowler Chicago ebay--starsandrocks__ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale
Hi Jason, Believe me when I tell you, I understand the law of supply and demand. My main point is that there are some hunter/dealers who are definitely more reasonable than others. I have what I consider to be some very nice specimens in my rather small collection. The people who sold them to me did so at reasonable, fair prices. Some I bought as Buy Nows and some I bid for. I always did well on the bid items. I always won and the price was right. I made the mistake of saying on the List that I would always wait until the last second to place my bid. That is what instigated the rather rude dealer to address me as Mr. Tight Ass and I believe he said that people like me should be shot or hung...I can't remember which. Unfortunately, he is typical of many here on the List. This is not a blanket statement. I have wrtten to and dealt with some very amiable and fair people, who not only sent me meteorites, but also much information and encouragement. I only wish that there were more like that here. Best regards, Greg Lindh Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 21:54:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Lunar available for sale From: meteorite...@gmail.com To: gee...@msn.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Hola Greg, Interesting point, but kind of moot; while you are correct in stating that Adam is assuming relatively little financial risk in listing items with starting bids of $0.99, if you have problems with the prices they're fetching, the people you should be complaining to are collectors, not him. In this case, he's not the one setting the price. But then I suppose the question would be - if dealers are artificially inflating prices - and then collectors are believing that these rocks are actually worth that much - who's to blame? Do you blame the masses for their ignorance? Or do you blame the people trying to sell them at $1,000/g in the first place? It's a collector's market, Greg, and in this case, supply seems to be pretty much at the level of demand. Lunars are listed for that much - and they sell, so prices clearly aren't too high. I'd like it if they were lower, but things being what they are...well, they are what they are. I personally wouldn't pay $1,000/g for a Lunar, so I don't buy them. The one small slice we did buy (ever) was at $650/g, which is a price I consider to be fair, even considering that the monzogabbro NWA 4734 was initially being sold for $250/g directly from Morocco. I know because I edited the original seller's email to the met-list and forwarded it for him.* To that end, you're asking over four times the original asking price of the material you're selling. I wonder where the money went... Regards, Jason *In retrospect, his asking price was $250/g. The selling price, especially for larger specimens, was undoubtedly less. On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 9:37 PM, GREG LINDH wrote: Adam, Look, I understand that you're a big time hunter/dealer. I'm just a relatively new collector who has had to put my collecting on hold due to the fantastic economy. So, I don't claim to know nearly as much as you as far as values, etc... But, right now, you have a 362 mg Dhofar 910 lunar which started out at $.99 and has already been bid up several times so that the bid now stands at $152.50. The time remaining until the auction ends is 1 day, 18hours. As far as I'm concerned, the most important fact follows. Everyone knows that the real action as far as bidding is concerned takes place in the last 30 seconds of the auction. Right? So, let's say that the bidding keeps rising between now and the end of the countdown. Who knows how high it will have gotten to by the time you have 30 seconds left. I can only assume from past experience that it will be higher than the present $152.50. Then, during that last 30 seconds of the auction things will really begin to pop. In the end, your Very Last, Rare meteorite will have sold for what? I think a whole bunch more than $.99. Right? So, just saying that you put up lunar meteorites for $.99 is really meaningless. You know that the bidding will drive the price up into the stratosphere. The same thing can be said for your NWA 5000 (a spectacular meteorite, by the way). It started at $.99, but its already up to $331.00. The time remaining until the end of that auction is 1 day, 17 hours. Again, my guess is that it will continue to rise in price over the next day or so, reach the 30 second mark and then once again, its price will explode. So, once again, the $.99 beginning price is meaningless. As I said earlier, I'm just a small time collector. Once, I discussed the way the bidding process works here on the List about 2 years ago, and I had a dealer at that time write to me and give me a rather uncharitable lecture. In his emails to me, he didn't address me as Greg. No, no, he addressed me as Mr. Tight
