Re: [meteorite-list] Re make your own Meteorite
-.-- --.- -.-- --.- .-. .-.. --... -.. -. .-- . .. . -.- .- --... .--. .-- . CQ CQ CQ KL7GNW FROM KA7PWE SEEING AS WERE BOTH OLD HAMS WE MIGHT AS WELL LOG A QSL. MY BIGGEST THRILL WAS WORKING 40 METER CODE (200 WATTS FROM AN 80' YAGI) AND PICKING UP THE ELECTRONIC WARFARE OFFICER ON A BOOMER FIVE DAYS OUT OF PEARL. HE SENT A GREAT CARD, BUT NO NAME ON THE SUB. DID WAS IN CODE AND IT TOOK ME 15 YEARS. WENT SILENT NEARLY TWENTY YEARS AGO AND NOW IT'S METRORITES ONLY... SEVENS AND THREES ... .-. .- --... .--. .-- . -Original Message- From: Pete Shugar pshu...@clearwire.net Sent: Aug 3, 2009 9:33 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Re make your own Meteorite List, Having been active in ham radio from almost the beguiling of the Amateur radio during the hey day of AMSAT-OSCAR program, I can tell you that the thrill of hearing your own return signal from the bird is a thrill every time you do it. It never ceased to get my heartbeat up 10 points. I ran the astounding power out into a ground plain antenna of 10 whole watts on the two meter uplink and with the down link on the 10 meter band. My very first contact was on AO6, otherwise called OSCAR 6 to JA1JRK in Japan while I was in Anchorage, Alaska. We had all of about 6 minutes of mutual access to the bird. I didn't see how I might become an astronaught, so this was the next best thing. My best contact was when I visited a friend's Shack. He was into moonbounce. This is where you transmit a 70 cm SSB signal into a 24 foot dish aimed at the moon and you heard your return 2.4 seconds later. It always gave me the willies because the signal had a warble to it that was unreal. I did some work when AO7 was launched. If the two birds were spaced just right, you could uplink on AO6 and AO7 would get the downlink and retransmit on it's downlink. This would allow you a much further distance to talk that either one alone. One mystery did crop up. There was an occasion of a reverse doplar. I never got to hear it directly, but I listened to the recorded tapes of the inverted dopplar. When the train approaches the whistle rises in pitch and as it departs, the whistle lowers in pitch. The same applies to a radio wave, but as the bird made a south to north pass over (get ready for it) the Bermuda triangle. the doplar was inverted no less than 7 or 8 passes during several days.. The cause was never identified. THAT was creepy. Ah, the good ol' days. It's late so I'll save another adventure re AO7's death and resurection 20 plus years later for retelling then. 73's de Pete KL7GNW-IMCA 1733 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions Ending Soon!
Hello Dear List, i have some ebay auctions ending soon, all items are still at good prices. Also i have listed many new nice specimens at my ebay-shop. I would be glad if you take a look here: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/gipometeorites_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ Many thanks for viewing! Best regards, Carsten -- Carsten Giessler Gipometeorites - www.gi-po.de - email: c-giess...@gi-po.de Member of the Meteoritical Society International Society for Meteoritics and Planetary Science IMCA Member:3457 International Meteorite Collectors Association __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting crystal in meteorite - what is it?
--- On Mon, 8/3/09, Pekka Savolainen nuu...@dlc.fi wrote: To me the form of the crystal looks like typical plagioglace feldspar, (labradorite), (anorthosite + albite), /N//a/(/A//l//S//i/3/O/8)/C//a/(/A/12/S//i/208). Agreed in principle-- Going by the semi-waxy luster, cleavage, and apparent crystal form this is certainly not a pyroxene and highly probable that it is a feldspar. How this came into being and came to be in this meteorite present some intriguing --probably rare conditions to explain it. Thanks for presenting it Gary. Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?
I found a few of the same things in West. Look like hematite concretions to me, that may have been struck by lightning driving off the oxygen to make them magnetic. Cheers Steve --- On Sun, 8/2/09, Pete Shugar pshu...@clearwire.net wrote: From: Pete Shugar pshu...@clearwire.net Subject: [meteorite-list] What is this? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:53 PM Anybody have a look at this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=360161621595ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT I gotta wonder because he states that it is not white inside. BUT, his customers are all HAPPY? What's the posibility this is another older fall in the same general area as West-Ash Creek fall. Pete IMCA 1733 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD eBay Auctions Ending
Greetings, I have three eBay Auctions ending in a little less than 6 hours time. One nice Gibeon 11.57 kilos at a great price. A full 155 gram Powellsville, Ohio slice, finished both sides, and a Lafayette Martian Meteorite from Indiana in a great ryker display. I took the photo while visiting the Smithsonian. Thanks for your time! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: 9.9 gram Park Forest slice, dual lithology: Gujba 2.1 grams started at 99p
Listees Some may be interested in a couple little auctions I have running. A beautiful partially fusion crusted slice of the gorgeous hammer Park Forest started at $30 a gram,buy it now $40 a gram.A few watchers hoping to get it at $30 a g by the looks of things http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Meteorite-Park-Forest-beautiful-9-9g-slice- HAMMER-L5_W0QQitemZ320407804408QQ A nice little 2.1 gram endcut of Gujba started at 99p http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Meteorite-GUJBA-Bencubbinite-CBa-RARE-2-1g-99p-N- R_W0QQitemZ320407779271QQ there is another 2.1 gram slice of Gujba also started at 99p 560 gram UNWA fully crusted and partially regmaglypted started at 99p. Lovely big stone http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Meteorite-UNWA-560-gram-fully-crusted-regmaglypt- 99pN-R_W0QQitemZ320407855189QQ also there are 5 slices of nwa2424 provisional CV3 also started at 99p and some nice little 869's cut in half for any newer list members who don't have some of this gorgeous meteorite yet. see all my auctions here http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/emeraldisleminerals thank you and have a great day JB __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Ebay auctions
Hello List, I have a few auctions ending tomorrow: 1. Historical (1826!!!) micro Meteorite Pavlograd (L6) - 0.135g with crust: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=19032497 2. Big (1.17g) thin slice of Dar al Gani 400 (ALUN-A): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190325036873 3. Ivuna (CI1) - 0.015g: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190325036909 4. Large slice of Kainsaz (CO3.2) - 19.37 g: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190325036923 5. Small olivines from Krasnojarsk (PAL-MG): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190325036936 6. Museum size full slice of Ozernoe (L6) - 1064g: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190325036945 7. Beautiful crusted slice of Yurtuk (AHOW) - 4.82g: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190325036979 Thank you for your time! Sergey -- Sergey Vasiliev U Dalnice 839 Prague 5, 155 00 Czech Republic --- http://www.sv-meteorites.com http://impactites.net http://systematic-mineralogy.com http://kazakhstan-minerals.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Donating Almahata Sitta to Richard Kowalski
Dear fellow meteorite collectors, about one week ago, I posted a message to this list suggesting to collect some money to buy a sample of the Almahata Sitta meteorite (the remnants of asteroid 2008 TC3) for Richard Kowalski (the discoverer of 2008 TC3 and meteorite collector). By now, US$ 375,-- were donated trough ChipIn, and further US$ 260,-- were collected by other means, giving a total of US$ 635,--. So, I want to say Thank you! to all those who have sent donations. Those who still want to donate (any amount, no matter how small or large is welcome) may do so until Friday, August 7 trough this page: http://www.astrometrica.at/kowalski.html By the way, Franck Marchis (who is researcher at the SETI institute) is exploring the possibities to get a sample from the original expeditions by Jenniskens and Shaddad, and sending the donations to the University of Khartoumm (instead of buying a sample from a meteorite dealer), but the outcome is not yet clear. Cheers, Herbert __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Donating Almahata Sitta to Richard Kowalski
Hello everyone, I have been askes in a private message if the amont we have collected so far is enough to purchase a smaple of the Almahata Sitta meteorite. Everyone can check the specimens that are avilable for a given amount ath this page. (Note that the dealer that offer these samples has offered a 20% discount when we purchase a sample for Richard): http://www.haberer-meteorite.de/english/Asteroid%202008%20tc3/Asteroid%202008%20TC3.html As everyone can see, the amount collected so far is enough to buy a sample, but one of the smaller samples available. So any additional donations will help us to get a more representative sample, and are therefore certainly not for nothing. I don't know what size of specimen we may get from the Jenniskens- Shaddad, if a donation for the University of Khartoumm can be agreed upon. But offering a higher donation would certainly also help in that case. :-) Cheers, Herbert -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Herbert Raab Sent: 08/04/2009 6:06 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Donating Almahata Sitta to Richard Kowalski Dear fellow meteorite collectors, about one week ago, I posted a message to this list suggesting to collect some money to buy a sample of the Almahata Sitta meteorite (the remnants of asteroid 2008 TC3) for Richard Kowalski (the discoverer of 2008 TC3 and meteorite collector). By now, US$ 375,-- were donated trough ChipIn, and further US$ 260,-- were collected by other means, giving a total of US$ 635,--. So, I want to say Thank you! to all those who have sent donations. Those who still want to donate (any amount, no matter how small or large is welcome) may do so until Friday, August 7 trough this page: http://www.astrometrica.at/kowalski.html By the way, Franck Marchis (who is researcher at the SETI institute) is exploring the possibities to get a sample from the original expeditions by Jenniskens and Shaddad, and sending the donations to the University of Khartoumm (instead of buying a sample from a meteorite dealer), but the outcome is not yet clear. Cheers, Herbert __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Reported Possible PA Meteorite Found
I got this report from someone on my blog: “On July 26, 2009 I found an unusual rock lying on top of some mulch in my parent’s yard in north-central Maryland (Carroll County). It is totally unlike anything in the area. It looks like a meteorite to me. It is gray, with irregular shape, indentations which appear to have possibly been made by hot gas, and a few small rusty spots. The rock is about 2 inches wide. It is slightly attracted to a strong magnet. No one in the family had put the rock where it was found. No digging has occurred recently around where it was found. The region where this rock was found would be somewhat in line with your projected path of the recent meteor that may have landed near the Susquehanna River.” I asked him to send me some pictures. He did. My first thought is its not a meteorite because: 1) its not black, no fusion crust 2) its from Carrol County which is pretty far away from the trajectory we are currently working with. Would you guys mind looking at the pictures and tell me what you think? The person who reported this is just a kid, so if you could try to keep the comments as kind as possible I'd really appreciate it. The pictures are linked on my site (1st update on the page) http://www.mikesastrophotos.com If you want to leave a comment on the site, please feel free to include a URL to your commercial sites and pick up some free back links. Thanks, Mike P.S. check out yesterday's update for a good laugh. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Reported Possible PA Meteorite Found
At first glance I would say this is NOT from the fall. Fresh falls have a dark fusion crust. I think it could be slag - it's funny because I have a piece sitting on my desk that is dark green with a white coating on it - much like the stone in the pictures. All I can say is when you find a fresh fall, you will know it immediately. They just look so different, like the picture of Ash Creek found in West, TX. I would still take the stone to a university however, as you never know. Greg S. Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:16:23 -0400 From: mike.han...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Reported Possible PA Meteorite Found I got this report from someone on my blog: “On July 26, 2009 I found an unusual rock lying on top of some mulch in my parent’s yard in north-central Maryland (Carroll County). It is totally unlike anything in the area. It looks like a meteorite to me. It is gray, with irregular shape, indentations which appear to have possibly been made by hot gas, and a few small rusty spots. The rock is about 2 inches wide. It is slightly attracted to a strong magnet. No one in the family had put the rock where it was found. No digging has occurred recently around where it was found. The region where this rock was found would be somewhat in line with your projected path of the recent meteor that may have landed near the Susquehanna River.” I asked him to send me some pictures. He did. My first thought is its not a meteorite because: 1) its not black, no fusion crust 2) its from Carrol County which is pretty far away from the trajectory we are currently working with. Would you guys mind looking at the pictures and tell me what you think? The person who reported this is just a kid, so if you could try to keep the comments as kind as possible I'd really appreciate it. The pictures are linked on my site (1st update on the page) http://www.mikesastrophotos.com If you want to leave a comment on the site, please feel free to include a URL to your commercial sites and pick up some free back links. Thanks, Mike P.S. check out yesterday's update for a good laugh. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Reported Possible PA Meteorite Found
Mike, I'm pretty sure this is an Earth rock, limestone maybe? There would almost certainly be fusion crust on a fresh fall. I do like the heart shaped picture though. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?
Sorry if this duplicates Steve, may have been struck by lightning driving off the oxygen to make them magnetic What Haven't heard that one before! Steve, Since you have contributed to this subject, perhaps you can explain why you have listed the following suspect items as meteorites in the stephen dunklee collection? http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=244 camp acapulcoite camp diogenite camp howardite camp pallasite camp122006 Limedale Mammoth Springs Do you really think these are meteorites? If 'no', why are they listed beside real meteorites? If 'yes', I suggest this does not improve your image (you once sold self-classified wrongs on eBay but to your credit you stopped) but even calls to question your meteorite photos and any legitimate photos that you have supplied to the Met Bull for reference. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor//MetBullFindphoto.php?credit=stephen+dunklee Do you see my point? Ken On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:42 AM, Steve Dunklee sdunklee72...@yahoo.com wrote: I found a few of the same things in West. Look like hematite concretions to me, that may have been struck by lightning driving off the oxygen to make them magnetic. Cheers Steve __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Alaskan Egg Meteorite
Here's a real deal, only $1,500. Better hurry, only 2 hours left! http://cgi.ebay.com/Alaskan-Egg-Rock-meteorite_W0QQitemZ280380120583QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147f51e07_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay
Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Alaskan Egg Meteorite
Having lived in Alaska, specifically Kotzebue while working for the Air Force, I can tell you that there were many rocks of that coloration and smoothness. He got exactlly right when he called it an Alaskan Egg Rock because thats just what it isan egg shaped rock. Pete IMCA 1733 - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Alaskan Egg Meteorite Here's a real deal, only $1,500. Better hurry, only 2 hours left! http://cgi.ebay.com/Alaskan-Egg-Rock-meteorite_W0QQitemZ280380120583QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4147f51e07_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay
Hi Mark and List, That's a weird looking etch. I assume, if it's meteorite, that it's oxidized. Are the little black squiggly-lines the result of oxidation? If not, then I've never seen anything like it, in person or in photos. I'm always a little suspect of meteorites and tektites offered by sellers like this. Meteorites is not the seller's main area of knowledge (obviously a terrestrial gem and mineral dealer) - so there is always the increased possibility that the item was misrepresented to the seller and the seller is just passing along the same misinformation, unwittingly. I'd pass on it, personally. Plus it's overseas, so it could be more difficult to get a refund or recourse if there is an issue with the specimen's authenticity. That's just my two cents - actual worth may vary. ;) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/4/09, Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com wrote: Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay
Hi Mike, Thanks for the input. I thought troilite was supposed to be exbibited as round or oval-shaped inclusions in irons like Toluca. I have never seen crossed lines of troilite as shown in the photo. Yes, the dealer indicated that he obtained the description from the collector Ceruda. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Hi Mark and List, That's a weird looking etch. I assume, if it's meteorite, that it's oxidized. Are the little black squiggly-lines the result of oxidation? If not, then I've never seen anything like it, in person or in photos. I'm always a little suspect of meteorites and tektites offered by sellers like this. Meteorites is not the seller's main area of knowledge (obviously a terrestrial gem and mineral dealer) - so there is always the increased possibility that the item was misrepresented to the seller and the seller is just passing along the same misinformation, unwittingly. I'd pass on it, personally. Plus it's overseas, so it could be more difficult to get a refund or recourse if there is an issue with the specimen's authenticity. That's just my two cents - actual worth may vary. ;) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/4/09, Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com wrote: Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay
Hi Mark, probably the slice was or is sealed with a layer of lacquer and these lines are simply rust which grew underneath. I observed the same lines developing once in a sealed Morasko slice. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Grossman Gesendet: Dienstag, 4. August 2009 23:19 An: Galactic Stone Ironworks Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay Hi Mike, Thanks for the input. I thought troilite was supposed to be exbibited as round or oval-shaped inclusions in irons like Toluca. I have never seen crossed lines of troilite as shown in the photo. Yes, the dealer indicated that he obtained the description from the collector Ceruda. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Hi Mark and List, That's a weird looking etch. I assume, if it's meteorite, that it's oxidized. Are the little black squiggly-lines the result of oxidation? If not, then I've never seen anything like it, in person or in photos. I'm always a little suspect of meteorites and tektites offered by sellers like this. Meteorites is not the seller's main area of knowledge (obviously a terrestrial gem and mineral dealer) - so there is always the increased possibility that the item was misrepresented to the seller and the seller is just passing along the same misinformation, unwittingly. I'd pass on it, personally. Plus it's overseas, so it could be more difficult to get a refund or recourse if there is an issue with the specimen's authenticity. That's just my two cents - actual worth may vary. ;) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/4/09, Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com wrote: Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across onebay
Thanks to all that replied. Very interesting about the lacquer that John and Martin noted. There could be some misunderstanding between the collector who supplied the sample to the ebay dealer. The crossed lines description reportedly came from the collector, but may have been misinterpreted by the seller. Thanks again. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Kashuba mary.kash...@verizon.net To: 'Mark Grossman' mar...@westnet.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across onebay Mark, List, It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanstätten pattern and figured that is what the crossed lines are. You might pick it up cheap, refinish it and pray. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grossman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay
Mark, List, It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanstätten pattern and figured that is what the crossed lines are. You might pick it up cheap, refinish it and pray. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grossman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Collector ethics... was What is this?
I'm with Ken on this matter. I, frankly, am dumbfounded to see this material held out as meteorites, as I believe a member of an collectors association should be held to a higher standard and should police themselves more strictly than they police others. It is a breach of good taste if not a full fledged breach of ethics to co-mingle these specimens that in the slightest way leaves the door open for an inference that these are meteorites! Showing a pink swap implying a positive nickel test is dishonest, and at a minimum shows ignorance about the occurrence of false positive results in the presence of iron-- DUH. We've been down this path before by other members setting up web pages lumping together meteor-wrongs with meteorites in some magical belief that doing so will make the wrongs transform into real meteorites. Clearly the ability to set up a nice web page doesn't translate to the ability to identify meteorites not a license to do so haphazardly. Not speaking for the other than myself, as membership qualification is the purview of any trade organization, but membership in such organization implies to me something above the novice level about meteorites. Seems some can buy the logo and leave ethics at the door since membership infers a status of expertise quick ride to the top. I think the logo displayee owes the entire community of meteorite collectors a duty to be totally honest as shabby or shady implications reflects on the individual and it harms any student of meteorites buy presenting blatantly bogus specimens. Self-naming of suspected meteorites when the naming of meteorites is a well established known process is indefensible and a disservice to the public. Makes about as much sense to me as it would be to hold out myself as a brain surgeon because I've see some brain photos, grew up watching M.A.S.H. and dissected some frog brains in biology. I further agree that we all should really do a reasonable amount of foundation study before shooting baloney theories about rocks and minerals in general and the source of magnetism in naturally magnetic hematite nodules. Elton http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=244 camp acapulcoite camp diogenite camp howardite camp pallasite camp122006 Limedale Mammoth Springs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay
Hello Mark, All, Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined lawrencite, a corrosive disease that occurs primarily in the presence of terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time in unfavorable climates. The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill Mason might have a word on this. That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashubamary.kash...@verizon.net wrote: Mark, List, It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanstätten pattern and figured that is what the crossed lines are. You might pick it up cheap, refinish it and pray. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grossman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay
Hi Jason, Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right. I checked Rocks from Space, and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding from between the Widmanstatten plates. And it looks like some of those brown crossed lines on the ebay sample. So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on his hands that he is trying to unload? :) Thanks again. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Kashuba mary.kash...@verizon.net; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay Hello Mark, All, Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined lawrencite, a corrosive disease that occurs primarily in the presence of terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time in unfavorable climates. The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill Mason might have a word on this. That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashubamary.kash...@verizon.net wrote: Mark, List, It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanstätten pattern and figured that is what the crossed lines are. You might pick it up cheap, refinish it and pray. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grossman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay
Hello Mark, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the fellow already knew - I've sent such messages before, only to meet a stone wall of silence, or a vehement denial of the facts from a mineral dealer who knows less than they think they do about rocks from space. That said, it could well be an honest mistake. There's no telling. It's worth a shot I suppose, but if I'm not mistaken, the auction closes in about a minute, so it's a bit late for that. Another one bites the dust... Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark Grossmanmar...@westnet.com wrote: Hi Jason, Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right. I checked Rocks from Space, and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding from between the Widmanstatten plates. And it looks like some of those brown crossed lines on the ebay sample. So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on his hands that he is trying to unload? :) Thanks again. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Kashuba mary.kash...@verizon.net; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay Hello Mark, All, Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined lawrencite, a corrosive disease that occurs primarily in the presence of terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time in unfavorable climates. The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill Mason might have a word on this. That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashubamary.kash...@verizon.net wrote: Mark, List, It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanstätten pattern and figured that is what the crossed lines are. You might pick it up cheap, refinish it and pray. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grossman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrossonebay
Hi Jason, No, I decided not to bid after all. When it was 99 cents, that was on thing. But if my memory serves me correctly, last time I checked it was about $22. But has anyone heard of a Spanish collector named Ceruda? Sounds like the beginning of some suspense movie! Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrossonebay Hello Mark, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the fellow already knew - I've sent such messages before, only to meet a stone wall of silence, or a vehement denial of the facts from a mineral dealer who knows less than they think they do about rocks from space. That said, it could well be an honest mistake. There's no telling. It's worth a shot I suppose, but if I'm not mistaken, the auction closes in about a minute, so it's a bit late for that. Another one bites the dust... Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark Grossmanmar...@westnet.com wrote: Hi Jason, Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right. I checked Rocks from Space, and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding from between the Widmanstatten plates. And it looks like some of those brown crossed lines on the ebay sample. So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on his hands that he is trying to unload? :) Thanks again. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Kashuba mary.kash...@verizon.net; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay Hello Mark, All, Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined lawrencite, a corrosive disease that occurs primarily in the presence of terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time in unfavorable climates. The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill Mason might have a word on this. That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashubamary.kash...@verizon.net wrote: Mark, List, It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanstätten pattern and figured that is what the crossed lines are. You might pick it up cheap, refinish it and pray. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grossman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I cameacrossonebay
Maybe Olalla Cernuda ? http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/06/27/ciencia/1182931659.html http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2005/11/29/ciencia/1133258125.html -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Grossman Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 03:51 An: Jason Utas; Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I cameacrossonebay Hi Jason, No, I decided not to bid after all. When it was 99 cents, that was on thing. But if my memory serves me correctly, last time I checked it was about $22. But has anyone heard of a Spanish collector named Ceruda? Sounds like the beginning of some suspense movie! Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrossonebay Hello Mark, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the fellow already knew - I've sent such messages before, only to meet a stone wall of silence, or a vehement denial of the facts from a mineral dealer who knows less than they think they do about rocks from space. That said, it could well be an honest mistake. There's no telling. It's worth a shot I suppose, but if I'm not mistaken, the auction closes in about a minute, so it's a bit late for that. Another one bites the dust... Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark Grossmanmar...@westnet.com wrote: Hi Jason, Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right. I checked Rocks from Space, and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding from between the Widmanstatten plates. And it looks like some of those brown crossed lines on the ebay sample. So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on his hands that he is trying to unload? :) Thanks again. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Kashuba mary.kash...@verizon.net; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay Hello Mark, All, Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined lawrencite, a corrosive disease that occurs primarily in the presence of terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time in unfavorable climates. The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill Mason might have a word on this. That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashubamary.kash...@verizon.net wrote: Mark, List, It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanstätten pattern and figured that is what the crossed lines are. You might pick it up cheap, refinish it and pray. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grossman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Update: Stolen meteorite shipment
Aloha, Since my original post on this subject June 1, a lot has transpired and I thought it in the best interest of the parties involved, as well as the members of this list to know (as the late Paul Harvey would say) The rest of the story. The meteorites I had purchased were won on ebay in a bulk auction that took about 3 hours to run. I paid for the items, and they were shipped out of South America soon after. When the package arrived, I eagerly went to the post office to claim my treasure. After the discovery of the theft of my meteorites in shipment (I received an empty box from the post office), I staggered home in disbelief. I emailed the seller notifying him of the disaster, but did not hear from him in a couple of days. At this point I was not a happy camper and filed a grievance with IMCA, a claim with eBay and Paypal, and wrote my email to the list. The seller responded to my emails, was empathetic and offered to assist on his end by filing a claim at his post office, and suggested I do the same at my post office. I returned the next day to file a claim at the USPS. Meanwhile Maria Haas, representing IMCA, responded almost immediately by contacting both the seller and me separately first to gather information from each other's respective viewpoint. She extracted the facts and shared with me the IMCA code of ethics and the issues of insurance, customs, taxes and other things that which I was not aware (but were reiterated by list members in response to my email). She then took steps to mediate the situation in as tactful a manner possible. At some point, the seller offered to share the loss with me, and agreed to refund me half of my payment if I would drop my claim with Paypal (which was withholding my payment to him until resolution). I dropped the claim, the seller reimbursed half my loss and the rest, as they say, is history...but wait, there's more. Since then, I have become a member of the IMCA. Not to become a big dealer, but to establish and uphold a modicum of the integrity and honor that was demonstrated to me by the characters in this story, themselves upstanding members of the IMCA. I have learned a lot from them and other IMCA members and dealers, and am dedicated to extending and perpetuating those values to the current and next generation of meteorite enthusiast. BTW, the seller (as many of you can guess) is Eduardo Jawerbaum, and I am a happy winner and recipient of some of the meteorites he had on auction a couple of weeks ago! Yes, I bought some more meteorites from the same person in the same country and postal system from which my previous shipment was stolen. Slow learner? Repeat offender? Obsessed collector? Maybe a little of all, but I must tell you that I am happy to continue to be a customer of Eduardo, and the proud owner of the freshest Franconia you've ever seen. Mahalo Eduardo ... Peace and poi. Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that Icameacrossonebay
Could be. The ebay dealer described Ceruda as one of the biggest minerals and meteorites collectors of Spain with a high reputation. The ebay dealer obtained his description of the sample from him and mentioned that the description was on the meteorite label. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that Icameacrossonebay Maybe Olalla Cernuda ? http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/06/27/ciencia/1182931659.html http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2005/11/29/ciencia/1133258125.html -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Grossman Gesendet: Mittwoch, 5. August 2009 03:51 An: Jason Utas; Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I cameacrossonebay Hi Jason, No, I decided not to bid after all. When it was 99 cents, that was on thing. But if my memory serves me correctly, last time I checked it was about $22. But has anyone heard of a Spanish collector named Ceruda? Sounds like the beginning of some suspense movie! Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrossonebay Hello Mark, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the fellow already knew - I've sent such messages before, only to meet a stone wall of silence, or a vehement denial of the facts from a mineral dealer who knows less than they think they do about rocks from space. That said, it could well be an honest mistake. There's no telling. It's worth a shot I suppose, but if I'm not mistaken, the auction closes in about a minute, so it's a bit late for that. Another one bites the dust... Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark Grossmanmar...@westnet.com wrote: Hi Jason, Thanks for the info. Looks like you're right. I checked Rocks from Space, and color plate IV has a picture of a Toluca specimen with a closeup of ferric hydroxide and hydrochloric acid exuding from between the Widmanstatten plates. And it looks like some of those brown crossed lines on the ebay sample. So what should I do - inform the ebay seller that he has a sick patient on his hands that he is trying to unload? :) Thanks again. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: Kashuba mary.kash...@verizon.net; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came acrosson ebay Hello Mark, All, Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined lawrencite, a corrosive disease that occurs primarily in the presence of terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time in unfavorable climates. The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill Mason might have a word on this. That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashubamary.kash...@verizon.net wrote: Mark, List, It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanstätten pattern and figured that is what the crossed lines are. You might pick it up cheap, refinish it and pray. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grossman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __
[meteorite-list] Slope Streaks on Mars - Triggered by Small Meteorite Impacts ?
Slope Streaks on Mars - Featured images for August 2009 http://www.psi.edu/pgwg/images/aug09image.html Several of the streaks are triggered by impact craters that have dark ejecta. Other interesting observations include triggering of slope streaks by an impact crater, blast from an impact explosion, or boulders rolling or bouncing downslope, and formation of long linear ridges within the streak that are parallel to its margins. Yours, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad Ebay
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[meteorite-list] interesting PA Fireball witness report
I was trolling the internets for info and found this report: I saw this shooting star up in Pa. I was driving north on route 476 and saw the night sky turn bluish green. The meteor came from behind me and passed on my left side. I saw it breakup into 6 smaller pieces and watched them burn out. One of the coolest things I’ve ever seen. The windows were up on my semi so I didn’t hear anything. I wrote the paper and asked them to fwd the guy my info. 476 is about an hour away from our current impact zone. His account is consistent with our data depending on where he was on 476. The highway looks to start north of Philadelphia. How close do you think you would have to be to see this sort of thing? (i'm referring to the break up and burn out) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 5, 2009
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