[meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Wanted
Mike: Your best bet by far is the farmers. Like you said, they'll be covering every inch of the ground while picking corn, baling stalks, discing, plowing. Another good source might be deer hunters, they get out where most people never go. If you go to the diner or coffeeshop where they hang out, (look for bib overalls and seed corn brand hats!), you might be able to post fliers. Maybe there are farm organizations you could approach with fliers. If you can get information to the Amish, they might be willing to help out. I've given presentations where Amish farmers became interested in meteorites and said they would search their rock piles for them. The main thing is to get a picture of a smooth black stone in their heads. Somebody might spot something. I used to find arrowheads while driving a tractor as a kid, if you can spot a 2 inch point, then somebody could easily see even a small meteorite if they were looking for it. Sounds like you got it covered, best of luck on your hunt, if you find it, at least around here, it'll be forever known as the Hankey Stone Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible new Illinois meteorite
Terrestrial Iron-nickel is found in only a few localities and very sparingly. Specific locations include Kassel, Germany; the Kola Peninsula, Russia; and Disco Island (Qeqertarsuaq), Greenland. Small waterworn nuggets were found in the Fraser River, near Lillooet, British Columbia, Canada, and in the Gorge river, New Zealand. Terrestrial Iron/Iron-nickel was also found in Josephine Co., Oregon; Smith River, Del Norte Co., California; Cameron, Clinton Co., Missouri; and St. Joseph's island in Lake Huron. http://www.minerals.net/mineral/elements/iron/iron.htm Native nickel-iron is also called awaruite, souesite, josephinite. Best, ken On 8/31/09, Joe Kerchner skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm sorry, I have never heard about that one. Thats pretty interesting, is it valuable? Mine doesnt look like that, but I can't see the interior to really see what it looks like. Here is a link that works, the one you posted didnt work. Thanks. http://www.newarkcampus.org/professional/osu/faculty/jstjohn/Josephinite/Josephinite.htm Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner - Original Message From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: Joe Kerchner skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:07:46 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Possible new Illinois meteorite Hi Joe, I have a small 10.2 gram slice of this on eBay. It could be a chance to get it at a really good price. If it is a meteorite, it will be worth a lot. It is being tested both at ASU and by Professor A. Basu, who is testing a thin slice of it. He thinks it may be a new find. If it turns out not to be a new meteorite, it will be a rare terrestrial stone, it tests pos for Ni, we all know that there is only 1 know terrestrial stone that contains native FeNi, and it is found only in Syberia. You have forgotten josphenite from Oregon: http://www.newarkcampus.org/professional/osu/faculty/jstjohn/Josephinite /Josephinite.htm Cheers, Rob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic)
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? LOL! Isn't science fun? Steve --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic) To: Göran Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:10 PM That humans have turned sex into an amusement park is just an abomination... On behalf of amusement park operators every- where, I strenuously object to this comment... Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Göran Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic) This answer only deals with evolution and no meteorites. Just delete it and you will not have missed any meteoritic information. Steve Dunklee, I'm not jumping in the discussion about the existence of aliens but you are making a few mistakes. - A change every 10 minutes for one billion years doesn't add up to 53 billion changes, that would be only 53 per year. The real number is 53000 billions. That is only for one cell. You have to add in the diversification that a planet teeming with life adds to the numbers. How many microbes inhabit this planet? Every cell division gives two new cells and after 1 billion years there should be 2^53 cells, more than enough that some should give rise to humans with a merely 30 base pairs in the DNA strain. When life got more complex it invented sex to speed up development by mixing and fusing different DNA strains. (That humans have turned sex into an amusement park is just an abomination of it's true purpose!) :-) Ok, that is a looong stretch that a cell should give rise to complex multi cellular life. I just threw out some big numbers like you did. Your argument only dealt with one strain of microbe while my numbers puts no upper limit to the numbers of microbes (biomass). The truth lies somewhere in between but I leave that for the biologists to work on. - The other mistake you are doing is to say that there is 4^30 combinations of the human genome. If you change too much of the genome it isn't a human any longer. Just change 5% percent and you could end up with a chimpanzee. A bit further and you have a mice. Even yeast shares a lot of genes with humans. More than half of the human DNA seems to be made up of junk. Repeated expressions, inactive parts left overs from evolution and remains of viruses. Whenever a complex being is reproducing it will change a lot of different base pair, not only one. As a proof, look at the divergence between chimpanzee and humans. 5 million years created a 5% difference between our species. If we take a simplistic view and translate that into base pairs even though it isn't that easy to compare. (It is moved parts, added sequences, removed sequences and changed parts.) we have an approximately difference of 5% of 3 billion, or 150 million base pairs over 5 million years, or 30 base pairs per year (15 per specie). Not that big a number at all. So I don't find any problems with the reproduction rates compared to the complexity of our DNA. Btw I believe there is life in other places of the universe but that is only a belief. I have no proof of existence or absence. The only thing I know is that we soon have the tools to detect traces of life if it exists in our stellar vicinity and that the scientific debate following a possible find will make the meteorite list seem dull. :-) /Göran Steve Dunklee wrote: the fastest reproducing micro organism has a reproduction rate of once every ten minutes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbe this reproduction rate if there was one change in dna every ten minutes would result in just shy of 53 billion different combinations in a billion years. different combinations of dna. the oldest life on earth is 3.5 billion years ago but the change to multi cellular organisms was only about 1 billion years ago with stromatolites. the human genome has 4 to the 3 billionth power of genetic combinations in its dna and a reproduction rate of once every 9 months. as species become more complex the reproduction rate decreases. http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1998-12/912824618.Ge.r.html 4 to the 3 billionth power is way over the possible 52 billion combinitations assuming one change every ten minutes which we all know is impossible. the only possible explaination of the complexity of the human genome and other forms of life on earth is that life could not possibly have formed on earth. there has not
Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Magazine arrived today!
Hi Everyone: I want to thank ALL of you for your outreach articles and keep them coming (hint, hint)! I have been going into classrooms with meteorites (and using them in my college class) long before I took on editorship of Meteorite. This was one of the main reasons that Nancy and I got involved with Meteorite magazine: we are all excited about meteorites, so how do we get kids and the public excited and teach them something at the same time? It is wonderful to see people who are so passionate about their hobby (or more than a hobby) and are willing to share that passion with others. Larry PS There should be more articles on this subject in the next issue! I agree Dave. Its great to learn about members from our group getting out into the community to do educational outreach. Ahhh, but you're being modest - I also enjoyed the article about your exploits with school children in a recent Meteorite magazine (sorry memory fails me, and my collection is in the office). Let's all keep up the good work in our respective communities! gary On Aug 31, 2009, at 5:09 PM, Dave Gheesling wrote: Ditto, Mike, but my favorite by far is My First Meteorite Presentation. Near and dear to my heart, and just wonderful to see you getting into the classroom, Pete...keep it up! All best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:03 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Magazine arrived today! Hi Folks, The new Meteorite Magazine is in mailboxes now. I just got mine today and it's a great issue as always. I can't wait to finish reading the articles. I especially enjoyed the article about the dark inclusions in carbonaceous chondrites. After reading it, I had to go over my slice of NWA 3144 with a loupe to see if it had any such inclusions. It has some nice CAI's, but no dark inclusions. Thanks again to Larry, Nancy and all of the contributors for another fantastic issue. :) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson in 1807 commented that he didn't believe the Weston Meteorite fell out of the sk
Hi, I have a friend who looked into this famous quote of Jefferson's, he was unable to find a contemporary source for it. Does anyone know of a source; letter, diary or other account written at the time that Jefferson supposedly said it? I would love to be able to find it. Until then I would hesitate to put words into Thomas Jefferson's mouth. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Brian Cox Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:15 AM To: geo...@aol.com; Becky and Kirk; d...@fallingrocks.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson in 1807 commented that he didn't believe the Weston Meteorite fell out of the sk Yes, you all got it right! APPLAUSE! Thomas Jefferson did comment in 1807 that he didn't believe that rocks, aka The Weston Meteorite actually fell out of the sky What is the prize that is being offered for answering this trivia question? Free meteorites, ad space or ALL the ads you want to post in a week on the list!!! Wishing you all clear skies and all the meteorites your home can store. Have a good one! Brian __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Something new....
Hi List, Joe Kerchner's gorgeous new bencubbinite-like material prompted me to do a bit of reading about josephinite and awaruite---which is not meant to imply his material is either. I was taken aback to learn that josephinite is known to exhibit a Widmanstätten pattern---which i had believed until now to be a fool- proof diagnostic characteristic in the identification of a meteorite. I had difficulty locating an image of the same. Anyone? Thanks. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic)
gee when was the last time any human had 53 reproductions in one year? even the swine flue and other organisms have only recorded viable changes in genome and im realy just guessing here since it only covers germs that cause sicknesses. of about once every three months. there is something else going on for a recoverey from an exstinction event from the KT boundry to occure in only 65 million years. The material above and below the KT boundry is layered with tectonic events that are about an inch to 3 inches thick. the boundry material has layers between 1 and 4 thousandths of an inch. If we use the amount of layers rather than the thickness of the material to measure the elapsed time. then the recovery time from the extinction event to the time when the reefs recovered again was was a lot longer than the growth rate of limestone from a reef. the .25 to .5 inch KT boundry material with thousands of layers may represent hundreds millions of years, before life returned again on earth. if what happens today is any indication of the past, then life recovered on land, a long time before the ancient ocean reefs started to deposit limestone agaain. giving plenty of time for the vast diversity of genetic material in land animals . have a great day Steve From: Steve Dunklee sdunklee72...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic) To: Göran Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 6:08 AM How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? LOL! Isn't science fun? Steve --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic) To: Göran Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:10 PM That humans have turned sex into an amusement park is just an abomination... On behalf of amusement park operators every- where, I strenuously object to this comment... Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Göran Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic) This answer only deals with evolution and no meteorites. Just delete it and you will not have missed any meteoritic information. Steve Dunklee, I'm not jumping in the discussion about the existence of aliens but you are making a few mistakes. - A change every 10 minutes for one billion years doesn't add up to 53 billion changes, that would be only 53 per year. The real number is 53000 billions. That is only for one cell. You have to add in the diversification that a planet teeming with life adds to the numbers. How many microbes inhabit this planet? Every cell division gives two new cells and after 1 billion years there should be 2^53 cells, more than enough that some should give rise to humans with a merely 30 base pairs in the DNA strain. When life got more complex it invented sex to speed up development by mixing and fusing different DNA strains. (That humans have turned sex into an amusement park is just an abomination of it's true purpose!) :-) Ok, that is a looong stretch that a cell should give rise to complex multi cellular life. I just threw out some big numbers like you did. Your argument only dealt with one strain of microbe while my numbers puts no upper limit to the numbers of microbes (biomass). The truth lies somewhere in between but I leave that for the biologists to work on. - The other mistake you are doing is to say that there is 4^30 combinations of the human genome. If you change too much of the genome it isn't a human any longer. Just change 5% percent and you could end up with a chimpanzee. A bit further and you have a mice. Even yeast shares a lot of genes with humans. More than half of the human DNA seems to be made up of junk. Repeated expressions, inactive parts left overs from evolution and remains of viruses. Whenever a complex being is reproducing it will change a lot of different base pair, not only one. As a proof, look at the divergence between chimpanzee and humans. 5 million years created a 5% difference between our species. If we take a simplistic view and translate that into base pairs even though it isn't that easy to compare. (It is moved parts, added sequences, removed sequences and changed parts.) we have an approximately difference of
[meteorite-list] Mount Wilson Observatory threatened by Los Angeles wildfires
Mount Wilson Observatory threatened by Los Angeles wildfires, Times Online http://timesonline.typepad.com/science/2009/09/mount-wilson-observatory-threatened-by-california-wildfires.html Mount Wilson Observatory Towercam http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/towercam.htm Mount Wilson Observatory: waiting out the California Station wildfire Space News Examiner, September 1, 2009 http://www.examiner.com/x-504-Space-News-Examiner~y2009m9d1-Mount-Wilson-Observatory-waiting-out-the-California-Station-wildfire Yours, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic)
Not any human... it's the human race and as a specie I think we had more than 53 reproductions last year. You know, there are more than 6.7 billions of us now. Every reproduction is mixing genes from two different individuals. That is how you speed up evolution by inventing sex. the .25 to .5 inch KT boundry material with thousands of layers may represent hundreds millions of years No! Not all species were extinct, just a lot of them. And the fact that we are here now just 65 million years later plainly disproves that it would represent hundreds millions of years. We don't need to count layers or sediment thickness. Just read the radioactive decay clocks and you will have the age. You are throwing out numbers that is plain wrong again. /Göran Steve Dunklee wrote: gee when was the last time any human had 53 reproductions in one year? even the swine flue and other organisms have only recorded viable changes in genome and im realy just guessing here since it only covers germs that cause sicknesses. of about once every three months. there is something else going on for a recoverey from an exstinction event from the KT boundry to occure in only 65 million years. The material above and below the KT boundry is layered with tectonic events that are about an inch to 3 inches thick. the boundry material has layers between 1 and 4 thousandths of an inch. If we use the amount of layers rather than the thickness of the material to measure the elapsed time. then the recovery time from the extinction event to the time when the reefs recovered again was was a lot longer than the growth rate of limestone from a reef. the .25 to .5 inch KT boundry material with thousands of layers may represent hundreds millions of years, before life returned again on earth. if what happens today is any indication of the past, then life recovered on land, a long time before the ancient ocean reefs started to deposit limestone agaain. giving plenty of time for the vast diversity of genetic material in land animals . have a great day Steve From: Steve Dunklee sdunklee72...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic) To: Göran Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 6:08 AM How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? LOL! Isn't science fun? Steve --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic) To: Göran Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 1:10 PM That humans have turned sex into an amusement park is just an abomination... On behalf of amusement park operators every- where, I strenuously object to this comment... Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Göran Axelsson axels...@acc.umu.se To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien Contact Predicted/we are the aliens! (off topic) This answer only deals with evolution and no meteorites. Just delete it and you will not have missed any meteoritic information. Steve Dunklee, I'm not jumping in the discussion about the existence of aliens but you are making a few mistakes. - A change every 10 minutes for one billion years doesn't add up to 53 billion changes, that would be only 53 per year. The real number is 53000 billions. That is only for one cell. You have to add in the diversification that a planet teeming with life adds to the numbers. How many microbes inhabit this planet? Every cell division gives two new cells and after 1 billion years there should be 2^53 cells, more than enough that some should give rise to humans with a merely 30 base pairs in the DNA strain. When life got more complex it invented sex to speed up development by mixing and fusing different DNA strains. (That humans have turned sex into an amusement park is just an abomination of it's true purpose!) :-) Ok, that is a looong stretch that a cell should give rise to complex multi cellular life. I just threw out some big numbers like you did. Your argument only dealt with one strain of microbe while my numbers puts no upper limit to the numbers of microbes (biomass). The truth lies somewhere in between but I leave that for the biologists to work on. - The other mistake
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1
G'day, how are you all? I was wandering around Google Gadgets. The result for a search of the keyword 'meteorite' was dismal, it resulted in basically, a few games. Must be someone can make a gadget for what's cool on the met-list, or in meteorite land. _ Take a peek at other people's pay and perks Check out The Great Australian Pay Check http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson in 1807 commented thathe didn't believe the Weston Meteorite fell out of the sk
Jefferson's famous quote is researched in the book The History of Meteorites and Key Meteorite Collections (2006). In summary, the book states that it is hearsay and would not be acceptable in a court of law. Basically there is no truth to the matter; no documentation of him ever saying those words. Matt Morgan --Original Message-- From: Peter Scherff Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson in 1807 commented thathe didn't believe the Weston Meteorite fell out of the sk Sent: Sep 1, 2009 5:36 AM Hi, I have a friend who looked into this famous quote of Jefferson's, he was unable to find a contemporary source for it. Does anyone know of a source; letter, diary or other account written at the time that Jefferson supposedly said it? I would love to be able to find it. Until then I would hesitate to put words into Thomas Jefferson's mouth. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Brian Cox Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:15 AM To: geo...@aol.com; Becky and Kirk; d...@fallingrocks.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson in 1807 commented that he didn't believe the Weston Meteorite fell out of the sk Yes, you all got it right! APPLAUSE! Thomas Jefferson did comment in 1807 that he didn't believe that rocks, aka The Weston Meteorite actually fell out of the sky What is the prize that is being offered for answering this trivia question? Free meteorites, ad space or ALL the ads you want to post in a week on the list!!! Wishing you all clear skies and all the meteorites your home can store. Have a good one! Brian __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson in 1807 commented thathe didn't believe the Weston Meteorite fell out of the sk
The quote is apparently anecdotal. Quite a few people have sought out its source in Jefferson's writings, AFAIK without success. Jefferson did acknowledge the existence of meteoritic material, and recommended its study by American academics. Personally, I don't believe he ever made the statement, simply because the structure of the comment doesn't ring true to Jefferson's writing style. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson in 1807 commented thathe didn't believe the Weston Meteorite fell out of the sk Hi, I have a friend who looked into this famous quote of Jefferson's, he was unable to find a contemporary source for it. Does anyone know of a source; letter, diary or other account written at the time that Jefferson supposedly said it? I would love to be able to find it. Until then I would hesitate to put words into Thomas Jefferson's mouth. Thanks, Peter __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston
I remember reading about this when I did my Weston page a while back. I can't remember where I found all the info now but I think there were a few sources I compiled together. In 1808 Jefferson allegedly wrote a response to Daniel Salmon about the Weston fall. It's all here: http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/december2007.html Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com To: Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson in 1807 commentedthathe didn't believe the Weston Meteorite fell out of the sk Jefferson's famous quote is researched in the book The History of Meteorites and Key Meteorite Collections (2006). In summary, the book states that it is hearsay and would not be acceptable in a court of law. Basically there is no truth to the matter; no documentation of him ever saying those words. Matt Morgan --Original Message-- From: Peter Scherff Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson in 1807 commented thathe didn't believe the Weston Meteorite fell out of the sk Sent: Sep 1, 2009 5:36 AM Hi, I have a friend who looked into this famous quote of Jefferson's, he was unable to find a contemporary source for it. Does anyone know of a source; letter, diary or other account written at the time that Jefferson supposedly said it? I would love to be able to find it. Until then I would hesitate to put words into Thomas Jefferson's mouth. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Brian Cox Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:15 AM To: geo...@aol.com; Becky and Kirk; d...@fallingrocks.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson in 1807 commented that he didn't believe the Weston Meteorite fell out of the sk Yes, you all got it right! APPLAUSE! Thomas Jefferson did comment in 1807 that he didn't believe that rocks, aka The Weston Meteorite actually fell out of the sky What is the prize that is being offered for answering this trivia question? Free meteorites, ad space or ALL the ads you want to post in a week on the list!!! Wishing you all clear skies and all the meteorites your home can store. Have a good one! Brian __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Weston and Murchison meteorites for sale.
Please contact me off list for prices and weights. Thank you. DIrk Ross..Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston (Part 1)
ASTRONOMY NOW, Dec 99, p. 74 Key Moments in Astronomy Talking boldes - An astronomical controversy explodes in December 1807. Thomas Jefferson, third wisest President of the United States, is doomed to appear in astronomy books as an awful warning to us all. Author after author claims that Jefferson sneered at meteors. When one exploded over Weston, Connecticut, on December 14, 1807, he is said to have declared I should sooner believe that Yankee professors should lie than that stones should fall from heaven. The presence of Yankee and the triple should instantly suggests that the quote is apocryphal. Jefferson's speech was unfailingly elegant and, as so often, the truth is more entertaining than the legend. At 7a.m. on December 14, Mrs. Gardener of Wenham, Massachusetts, chanced to look out of the window. She was startled to notice a bright object whizzing across the sky and exclaimed where is the Moon going to? Recovering her composure she watched as a brilliant fireball soared overhead. A few moments later Judge Wheeler of Weston was taking an early morning stroll. The attention of Judge Wheeler was first drawn by a sudden flash of light, which illuminated every object. Looking up he discovered in the north a globe of fire, just then passing behind a cloud ... Its apparent diameter was about one half or two thirds the apparent diameter of the full moon. Its progress was not so rapid as that of common meteors or shooting stars. No common meteor would have dared appear before the Judge, who admiringly noted its brisk scintillation... It did not vanish instantaneously, but grew, pretty rapidly, fainter and fainter, as a red hot cannon ball would do, if cooling in the dark, only with much more rapidity... [followed by] three loud and distinct reports... [and] a rapid succession of reports less loud. 150 kg of stony fragments were eagerly collected. One of the collectors wrote to President Jefferson, with a rather unusual proposal. The statesman replied on February 15, 1808, with a characteristic combination of politeness and sly wit. Sir, he wrote. I have duly received your letter of the 8th instant, on the subject of the stone in your possession, supposed meteoric. Its descent from the atmosphere presents so much difficulty as to require careful examination. But I do not know that the most effectual examination could be made by the members of the National Legislature, to whom you have thought of exhibiting it ... I should think that an enquiry by some one of our scientific societies ... would most likely to be directed with such caution and knowledge of the subject, as would inspire a general confidence. This elegant evasion is the origin of the myth of Jefferson as meteor-hater. In reality the President was sceptical of the ability of contemporary science to do much more than guess at the nature of the Weston meteor. And he was right. When Nathaniel Bowditch, America's leading astronomer, investigated the fall he concluded that the object weighed 6,000,000 tons and was a previously unnoticed earth satellite! Doubtless the President allowed himself a smile. (Ian Seymour) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible new Illinois meteorite
Joe Kerchner wrote: I'm sorry, I have never heard about that one. Thats pretty interesting, is it valuable? Mine doesnt look like that, but I can't see the interior to really see what it looks like. Here is a link that works, the one you posted didnt work. Thanks. http://www.newarkcampus.org/professional/osu/faculty/jstjohn/Josephinite/Josephinite.htm Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner - Original Message From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: Joe Kerchner skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:07:46 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Possible new Illinois meteorite Hi Joe, I have a small 10.2 gram slice of this on eBay. It could be a chance to get it at a really good price. If it is a meteorite, it will be worth a lot. It is being tested both at ASU and by Professor A. Basu, who is testing a thin slice of it. He thinks it may be a new find. If it turns out not to be a new meteorite, it will be a rare terrestrial stone, it tests pos for Ni, we all know that there is only 1 know terrestrial stone that contains native FeNi, and it is found only in Syberia. You have forgotten josphenite from Oregon: http://www.newarkcampus.org/professional/osu/faculty/jstjohn/Josephinite /Josephinite.htm Cheers, Rob Or as it's IMA approved mineral name is, awaruite. Data : http://www.mindat.org/min-439.html Pictures : http://www.mindat.org/gallery.php?min=439 /Göran __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston (Part 2)
BURKE J.G. (1986) Cosmic Debris - Meteorites in History, p. 57: It was not until October 1805 that Ellicott received published material from France, which convinced him that stones did fall, that they had an unusual composition and texture, and that they were generated in the atmosphere. He advised Jefferson of his conversion, and Jefferson responded on 25 October 1805. He wrote that he had not seen the documents to which Ellicott referred, but that he had read Izam's Lithologie atmosphérique, which was an industrious collection of facts of the same kind: I do not say that I disbelieve the testimony but neither can I say I believe it. Chemistry is too much in its infancy to satisfy us that the lapidific elements exist in the atmosphere and that the process can be completed there. I do not know that this would be against the laws of nature and therefore I do not say it is impossible; but as it is so much unlike any operation of nature we have ever seen it requires testimony proportionately strong. This passage indicates that Jefferson's skepticism was not about the fall of meteorites, but about their generation in the atmosphere. It is in this light that we should attempt to judge whether or not the remark so often attributed to him following the fall of the Weston meteorite two years later is apocryphal - namely, It is easier to believe that two Yankee professors would lie than that stones would fall from heaven. In his Discourse on Jefferson, Samuel Latham Mitchill reported that soon after the Weston fall, he received an account and a specimen from friends. A senator who was to dine with Jefferson that evening asked to borrow the report and sample to show to the President and request his comments. When presented with the evidence, Jefferson, according to Mitchill's friend, said that it is all a lie. Later, on 15 February 1808, in a reply to a letter from a citizen offering to send a fragment of the Weston stone for an official examination by the Congress, Jefferson suggested that the members of a scientific society would be better qualified to examine the stone, supposed meteoric, than those of the national legislature. He continued: We certainly are not to deny whatever we cannot account for. A thousand phenomena present themselves daily which we cannot explain, but where facts are suggested, bearing no analogy with the laws of nature as yet known to us, their verity needs proof proportioned to their difficulty. A cautious mind will weigh the opposition of the phenomenon to everything hitherto observed, the strength of the testimony by which it is supported, and the error and misconceptions to which even our senses are liable. It may be very difficult to explain how the stone you possess came into the position in which it was found. But is it easier to explain how it got into the clouds from whence it is supposed to have fallen? The actual fact however is the thing to be established. The tenor and even the wording of this letter is quite similar as that in Jefferson's December 1803 reply to Ellicott. It is possible that, upon reflection, he dismissed the notion of the atmospheric generation of stones and reverted to his original ambivalence about their fall. One other point is relevant. At the time of the Weston fall, the New England states were in an uproar about the economic effects of the Jeffersonian-sponsored Embargo Act of November 1806, and there was even talk of secession. Jefferson was antagonistic to the New Englanders, because they sought to circumvent the embargo by smuggling goods into Canada. It is therefore possible that soon after the fall and before the American Philosophical Society in March 1808 heard Silliman's report and accepted his memoir for publication, Jefferson, in a fit of temper, made the remark. But scholars have not yet located the source, so that at this time it must remain conjectural. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson and Weston
Thank you Jeff, I knew I had read where someone put that information together on their website. You did a great job!!! Actually, I am a very, very, Old Dog and I was in my early 50s when Jefferson commented on the Weston. I just didn't want to reveal my age on the list. Thanks again everyone for playing Presidential and Meteorite Trivia! Now our next trivia question! Have a great day everyone! Brian __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I looking for Sikhote Alin
I would like to buy a good price, small and large pieces of Sikhote Alin regmagliptized. Answer me privately. Thanks Maurizio Eltri maurizio.el...@libero.it __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston
Oh great, what's next; Carl Sagan didn't actually say billions and billions? Bogey never said Play it again, Sam, the stereotypical Mexican bandito never actually said: We don't need no stinking badges? Winston Churchill never said: I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.? (Never have believed in that one, way too mysogenistic and mean). And little Timmy Martin never actually fell down a well (I think Lassie did once). And on and on and on.. At least we have good genetic evidence that he knocked up Sally Hemmings. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re meteorite Magazine
This is so unfair! Everyone is talking about my article and my copy is not in my mailbox. I looked three times yesterday. Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:07:19 -0400, you wrote: billions? Bogey never said Play it again, Sam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casablanca_%28film%29#Quotations Sorry. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hard Copy Meteorite Catalogs
Hey Guys, I'm doing a few direct mailers out to the local population in lancaster. I want to include some good color pictures of meteorites. I figured some people on this list, might already have catalogs printed that would feature the types of images I want to include. It would be much easier for me to mail out a few pages of a catalog (or even the entire catalog), than it would be to make up and print these up on my own. So my question is: Has anyone out there produced printed catalogs or marketing materials that feature good pictures of meteorites? If you had printed inventory on hand, I would be willing to buy a few 100 catalogs from you. Or if you had the EPS file / printers file, and you were willing to share it with me, I can print the stuff up on my own. Ideally I just need 1 or 2 pages, but I could work with a complete catalog as well. Thanks, Mike Hankey http://www.mikesastrophotos.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bolide?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston
Yep, and Sagan never did say Billions and billions. Pop in your Cosmos dvds and you'll hear him say it once, several times in the sereis, but never twice in one sentence. Sorry again... -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 10:47 AM On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:07:19 -0400, you wrote: billions? Bogey never said Play it again, Sam http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casablanca_%28film%29#Quotations Sorry. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bolide?
Nope, as Aaron from Utah states in the comments, it's a Sun dog. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net Subject: [meteorite-list] Bolide? To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 11:45 AM http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1210447/Father-snaps-meteor-camera-phone-speeds-sky.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston
the stereotypical Mexican bandito never actually said: We don't need no stinking badges? Of course he did, but this is the only entry on your list that doesn't have a name. He desrves to be mentioned by name. Alfonso Bedoya (1904- 1957), the great Mexican character actor and veteran of 77 movies, played the bandit who continually threatens the gold-hunters (Bogart, Tim Holt, and Walter Houston) in the 1948 triple-Oscar-winner, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre. In one scene, he claims he and his men are Federales. Bogart asks to see his badge, and he replies, famously, Badges? We doan neeed no steenkin' badges! It's one of the great lines in movie history and -- you know The Biz -- credits are everything. Oh, and Bogart DIDN'T say Play it again, Sam! He said, Play it, Sam! No again. Whoops! Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston Oh great, what's next; Carl Sagan didn't actually say billions and billions? Bogey never said Play it again, Sam, the stereotypical Mexican bandito never actually said: We don't need no stinking badges? Winston Churchill never said: I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.? (Never have believed in that one, way too mysogenistic and mean). And little Timmy Martin never actually fell down a well (I think Lassie did once). And on and on and on.. At least we have good genetic evidence that he knocked up Sally Hemmings. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bolide? Doggone?
--- On Tue, 9/1/09, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bolide? Doggone? To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 11:09 AM Hiya, If the description of the object's transit through the sky is accurate, I would have to disagree. I would too, but it's an embellishment to make his story interesting. (As the resolution of the camera is weak, and focus limited, a bolide could readily blur into a sun dog-like appearance.) /d Nope, if that were true the entire image would show the distortions. If you look at the images on the wiki page, or google sun dogs and click on images you'll see many examples that look exactly like this one. It is an *extremely* common phenomena... Almost no one looks up any longer, so even the most common phenomena are unknown to just about everyone. I highly recommend _The Nature of Light and Colour in the Open Air_ http://tinyurl.com/no2ej9 It's a great book. I've witnessed nearly everything contained within its pages. Richard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston
Richard, Darren; Wasn't it clear I was making fun of popular misquotes? I thought I was being pretty obvious. It's called irony, a commonly used literary device. While Carl never said billions and billions in his Cosmos series (duh!) he did say it in the title of his book; Billions and Billions. So he did say it. He's making fun of people's misquotes ala Jon Provost's (Lassie's master): Timmy's In The Well. This is funny because at the time the running joke was, when Lassie would run up and bark, you would go what's the matter Lassie, Timmy fell down a well? Of course Timmy never fell down a well, see, that's why it's funny. Even though Lassie fell down a well once in season's 17, Well of Love. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hard Copy Meteorite Catalogs
Mike...I'd recommend you find some photos that were taken by those who found West Meteorites in Texas earlier this year. Any meteorites that you will probably find will probably look similar to these...black and rounded etc. If you try to include a big variety of colors and looks etc, I think you might confuse those who will be doing the looking. GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston
wow, you learn something new everyday on the meteorite list. I always thought this saying came from Cheek and Chong's Up in Smoke. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Sterling K. Webbsterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the stereotypical Mexican bandito never actually said: We don't need no stinking badges? Of course he did, but this is the only entry on your list that doesn't have a name. He desrves to be mentioned by name. Alfonso Bedoya (1904- 1957), the great Mexican character actor and veteran of 77 movies, played the bandit who continually threatens the gold-hunters (Bogart, Tim Holt, and Walter Houston) in the 1948 triple-Oscar-winner, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre. In one scene, he claims he and his men are Federales. Bogart asks to see his badge, and he replies, famously, Badges? We doan neeed no steenkin' badges! It's one of the great lines in movie history and -- you know The Biz -- credits are everything. Oh, and Bogart DIDN'T say Play it again, Sam! He said, Play it, Sam! No again. Whoops! Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston Oh great, what's next; Carl Sagan didn't actually say billions and billions? Bogey never said Play it again, Sam, the stereotypical Mexican bandito never actually said: We don't need no stinking badges? Winston Churchill never said: I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.? (Never have believed in that one, way too mysogenistic and mean). And little Timmy Martin never actually fell down a well (I think Lassie did once). And on and on and on.. At least we have good genetic evidence that he knocked up Sally Hemmings. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston
the stereotypical Mexican bandito never actually said: We don't need no stinking badges? I think it was said in Blazing Saddles too. geozay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bolide? Doggone?
Hiya, If the description of the object's transit through the sky is accurate, I would have to disagree. (As the resolution of the camera is weak, and focus limited, a bolide could readily blur into a sun dog-like appearance.) /d On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Nope, as Aaron from Utah states in the comments, it's a Sun dog. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net Subject: [meteorite-list] Bolide? To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 11:45 AM http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1210447/Father-snaps-meteor-camera-phone-speeds-sky.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston
Sterling, Sorry but you're wrong, you're quoting the parody of the line from Blazing Saddles. The actual quote is Dobbs: 'If you're the police where are your badges?' Gold Hat: 'Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinkin' badges!' I shouldn't have to explain that irony is a literary device where you feign ignorance for comic effect. So while Sagan did say Billions and Billions in his book title, Alfonso Bedoya never said: We don't need no stinking badges. I should know, I've seen both movies, dozens of times. Phil (Get a grip Dobsie!) Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hard Copy Meteorite Catalogs
Way back in the past, the three best dealer's catalogs as far as photography goes (in my opinion) were Bethany Sciences (don't shoot the messenger), Michael Casper's mailings, and New England Meteoritical. They all produced color catalogs of specimens. Alan Lang also had a full color presentation of his collection pieces that arrived with his listings, There were others who used images, but these stand out in my memory. Best, Martin On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 12:33 PM, geo...@aol.com wrote: Mike...I'd recommend you find some photos that were taken by those who found West Meteorites in Texas earlier this year. Any meteorites that you will probably find will probably look similar to these...black and rounded etc. If you try to include a big variety of colors and looks etc, I think you might confuse those who will be doing the looking. GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:25:00 -0500, you wrote: the stereotypical Mexican bandito never actually said: We don't need no stinking badges? Of course he did, but this is the only entry on your list that doesn't have a name. Witness a Rare Webb Error: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stinking_badges Bonus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKIAn2UlAX4 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hard Copy Meteorite Catalogs
Hi Martin and List, Let me add Bob Haag's numerous catalogues! Cheers, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson Gem Mineral Show POI
As I mentioned a few days ago, I have created a POI (Point of Interest) file for users of GPS units that contains the locations of all 40+ shows in Tucson each February. It has been uploaded and is available on a website called POI Factory. It is an excellent website and nearly all of the POI files there are available for free. Additionally the forums there are excellent, the users friendly and help out with nearly every question within minutes. I highly recommend this site to anyone who uses a GPS receiver in their car. Now to the file. It can be found at: http://www.poi-factory.com/node/24678 Download it and install it on your GPS unit as you would any other poi file (search for instruction on the POI Factory website if you don't know how to do that yet). Each of the shows are located in one of a few ways. If it is a small show that has a slightly ambiguous location or address and I have not been to the show, I placed the poi in the middle of the street as close to the actual location as I could. (For meteorite shows, this isn't a issue. This is for shows like beads or folk art...) For locations that are at hotels or resorts, I often made the poi at a common location near the center of the property, often the swimming pool. At locations that have two or more shows but have a common parking area, like the Inn Suites, I placed the poi at a common location near the most used entrance or the parking area. The only thing missing right now is the GemRide locations and parking lots, as these have not yet been finalized. I will add them in January once they become known. One other location specifically of interest to the members of this list is Michael Blood's Meteorite Auction at the VFW Hall. I placed the poi for this location in the driveway of the hall to make it easier to find since the entrance to the building is hidden from view from Beverly Ave. Members of this list may also be interested in another POI file I created some time ago called Optical Valley - Tucson, Arizona http://www.poi-factory.com/node/17651 It contains pois for all professional telescopes at the four observatory sites around Tucson and includes information about each telescope. There are also locations in town and out fo town, like Flandrau, NOAO headquarters and various visitor centers. All the sites are now either open to the public (Kitt Peak) or provide public programs or tours [Mt. Lemmon Sky Center, Mt. Graham (LBT) Mt. Hopkins (MMT)] Remember, both of these files are meant to be used by a GPS receiver to direct you to the location you are looking for and not read on your computer or printed out. However, Google Earth will read these files, so you can locate and read the information for each site if you open these files in Google Earth. If you don't have a GPSr for your car, just pick up the Show Guide that are available for free just about anywhere in town. If you haven't been to the Tucson Shows before, you should always grab a copy even if you do have a GPSr! If you have any questions or have suggestions about locations for me to add, please contact me off list. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston
G'Day Everyone It was also quoted in this book. Page 21 http://www.scribd.com/doc/13451630/Verma-Surendra-The-Mystery-of-the-Tun guska-Fireball-133-MB Cheers John Oh forgot Sent from my rotary phone, up a telegraph pole on the I-15 between California and Nevada -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Kuyken Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 7:37 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston I remember reading about this when I did my Weston page a while back. I can't remember where I found all the info now but I think there were a few sources I compiled together. In 1808 Jefferson allegedly wrote a response to Daniel Salmon about the Weston fall. It's all here: http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/december2007.html Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com To: Peter Scherff petersche...@rcn.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson in 1807 commentedthathe didn't believe the Weston Meteorite fell out of the sk Jefferson's famous quote is researched in the book The History of Meteorites and Key Meteorite Collections (2006). In summary, the book states that it is hearsay and would not be acceptable in a court of law. Basically there is no truth to the matter; no documentation of him ever saying those words. Matt Morgan --Original Message-- From: Peter Scherff Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson in 1807 commented thathe didn't believe the Weston Meteorite fell out of the sk Sent: Sep 1, 2009 5:36 AM Hi, I have a friend who looked into this famous quote of Jefferson's, he was unable to find a contemporary source for it. Does anyone know of a source; letter, diary or other account written at the time that Jefferson supposedly said it? I would love to be able to find it. Until then I would hesitate to put words into Thomas Jefferson's mouth. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Brian Cox Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:15 AM To: geo...@aol.com; Becky and Kirk; d...@fallingrocks.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson in 1807 commented that he didn't believe the Weston Meteorite fell out of the sk Yes, you all got it right! APPLAUSE! Thomas Jefferson did comment in 1807 that he didn't believe that rocks, aka The Weston Meteorite actually fell out of the sky What is the prize that is being offered for answering this trivia question? Free meteorites, ad space or ALL the ads you want to post in a week on the list!!! Wishing you all clear skies and all the meteorites your home can store. Have a good one! Brian __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section
I call upon the Met-List for some help: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Mystery-TS.html Sorry, this is not a gimmick and no prizes are available. I would really like some help identifying this one! Kind regards, Mike Bandli www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bolide? Doggone?
Hi Richard, I appreciate your thoughts and your analysis could very well be spot on---but low resolution and soft focus at infinity are not distortions of the sort to which you allude, and I think I'll hold fast to the notion of a bolide by camera-phone being able to evoke a sun dog. I suppose in the end I just have a bit more faith in the report of a ball speeding across the sky. and of course I agree that embellished eyewitness accounts can be problematic (along with my misplaced faith) ;-)Oh well. And all best / Darryl On Sep 1, 2009, at 2:25 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bolide? Doggone? To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 11:09 AM Hiya, If the description of the object's transit through the sky is accurate, I would have to disagree. I would too, but it's an embellishment to make his story interesting. (As the resolution of the camera is weak, and focus limited, a bolide could readily blur into a sun dog-like appearance.) /d Nope, if that were true the entire image would show the distortions. If you look at the images on the wiki page, or google sun dogs and click on images you'll see many examples that look exactly like this one. It is an *extremely* common phenomena... Almost no one looks up any longer, so even the most common phenomena are unknown to just about everyone. I highly recommend _The Nature of Light and Colour in the Open Air_ http://tinyurl.com/no2ej9 It's a great book. I've witnessed nearly everything contained within its pages. Richard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston
Good job Sterling and correct. I have the Treasure--- movie in B W and the colorized version, that line was certainly given. Sagan said billions not billions and billions, but the Doonesbury cartoon strip helped popularized billions and billions and a couple of comedians stressed Sagan's colloquial style of billyons and billyons. Churchill was drunk on a daily basis - the equivalent of one to two pints. FDR had an average of 8 martinis per day and Stalin never saw a sober day. This was how the Allies won the war (?). Can you picture these 3 sitting around at the Potsdam Conference trying to negotiate and then sitting upright for that famous photo? Ted Bunch IMCA # 1110 On 9/1/09 11:25 AM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the stereotypical Mexican bandito never actually said: We don't need no stinking badges? Of course he did, but this is the only entry on your list that doesn't have a name. He desrves to be mentioned by name. Alfonso Bedoya (1904- 1957), the great Mexican character actor and veteran of 77 movies, played the bandit who continually threatens the gold-hunters (Bogart, Tim Holt, and Walter Houston) in the 1948 triple-Oscar-winner, The Treasure of the Sierra Madre. In one scene, he claims he and his men are Federales. Bogart asks to see his badge, and he replies, famously, Badges? We doan neeed no steenkin' badges! It's one of the great lines in movie history and -- you know The Biz -- credits are everything. Oh, and Bogart DIDN'T say Play it again, Sam! He said, Play it, Sam! No again. Whoops! Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:07 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston Oh great, what's next; Carl Sagan didn't actually say billions and billions? Bogey never said Play it again, Sam, the stereotypical Mexican bandito never actually said: We don't need no stinking badges? Winston Churchill never said: I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly.? (Never have believed in that one, way too mysogenistic and mean). And little Timmy Martin never actually fell down a well (I think Lassie did once). And on and on and on.. At least we have good genetic evidence that he knocked up Sally Hemmings. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston
Right, I was too lazy to go get the DVD and actually check the lines. Went to the DVD and you are right (at 1hr 7m into the movie). When a thing becomes a stereotype or an icon or a stock cultural reference, it acquires a life of its own. It's true even if it isn't true; it never dies and it never goes away. I saw Treasure at a drive-in movie in McAllen, Texas, when I was nine, my first drive-in movie and the first time I saw Bogart. It made a big impression on me, and I've probably seen it 5-6 times since. Still, stereotypes are powerful mind-altering memes, it appears. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:40 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston Sterling, Sorry but you're wrong, you're quoting the parody of the line from Blazing Saddles. The actual quote is Dobbs: 'If you're the police where are your badges?' Gold Hat: 'Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinkin' badges!' I shouldn't have to explain that irony is a literary device where you feign ignorance for comic effect. So while Sagan did say Billions and Billions in his book title, Alfonso Bedoya never said: We don't need no stinking badges. I should know, I've seen both movies, dozens of times. Phil (Get a grip Dobsie!) Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section
A few ideas after brainstorming a bit ... what brain? :-) Mike B. writes: Iowa has three official chondrites to its name prior to his passing. Marion, 1847 (L6), Homestead, 1875 (L5) and Forest City, 1895 (H5) *If* it's Marion, you might find veins because Marion is described as having veins. *If* it's Homestead, it should be brecciated and severely shocked (S4). *If* it's Forest City, it should also show brecciation. Hmm, Homestead and Forest City, ... both brecciated :-( But: Measuring the diameters of the chondrules might help here as Forest City chondrules (H5) should be smaller than Homestead chondrules (L5). By the way, just in case your thin section should contain copper, ... Homestead is described as containing copper. Best wishes from Germany, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thomas Jefferson Weston
Ted: These guys were lightweights compared to Ullysses S. Grant. He could drink them all under the table. The full name of the Sagan book is: Billions and Billions: Thoughts on Life and Death at the Brink of the Millennium. Random House. ISBN 0-679-41160-7 Phil (Get a grip Dobsie!) Whitmer I also love the crazy old man dance scene with Walter Huston. (Not to be confused with the director John Huston, who makes a cameo appearance (ala Al Hitchcock) as the American hit up for a handout by Dobsie.) Churchill was drunk on a daily basis - the equivalent of one to two pints. FDR had an average of 8 martinis per day and Stalin never saw a sober day. This was how the Allies won the war (?). Can you picture these 3 sitting around at the Potsdam Conference trying to negotiate and then sitting upright for that famous photo? Ted Bunch IMCA # 1110 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Skipper's Dad Co-Discovers a Comet!
While we're on the off topic of old movies, did anyone realize that Alan Hale, the Skipper's (Alan Hale Jr.), dad, was the co-discoverer of the most widely observed comet of the 20th Century? Phil (Think IRONY, people!) Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bolide? Doggone?
OK Darryl, fine with me. The Distortion I speak of is the visible spectrum in the flare of the bolide or the body of the sundog. If it is a bolide, this would have to be distortion known as chromatic abberation (CA) and if the lens was that poor to show that much CA, it would be clearly visible in other parts of the image too. However in this case, it is restricted to the flare and the spectrum is correct for a Sun dog (red towards the Sun) and the tail matches a Perhelic arc See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parhelic_circle (When they are very strong, as in the images on that page, the arc can be seen completely encircling the sky at the same elevation of the Sun. When they are weak, they only form a short tail for the dog. One more thing about the image itself, a bolide this bright in the daytime would leave an obvious smoke trail behind the ionization, one that wouldn't fade away as it does in this image. This photo matches a weak Parhelic arc but not a bolide plasma - smoke trail. The last few things I'll say about this I'll say as a photographer instead of as an astronomer. One of my photographic subjects are birds. I know how often I miss images because though I'm ready to make images with my camera which is on and ready to go, because I'm not fast enough and the camera isn't up to my eye. And sometimes, even when it is! I have to question his ability of catching a bolide with a cell phone camera for a number of reasons. He needed to see the object, ID it as strange, grab his phone, turn on the camera and let it start, then point it and shoot. Of course he may have been taking other images with the camera on his phone, so his response would have been quicker, but that not what he claims in the article. However, and probably the best evidence refuting his claim, there is no visible blur to the objects on the ground, so he probably had time to compose the shot. Unlikely in such a rapidly eveolving event as a daytime bolide. Nearly every cell camera can shoot video too. If he had presence of mind to get a shot with his cell in the first place, why not get video of the event instead of a still? Cheers -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bolide? Doggone? To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 12:35 PM Hi Richard, I appreciate your thoughts and your analysis could very well be spot on---but low resolution and soft focus at infinity are not distortions of the sort to which you allude, and I think I'll hold fast to the notion of a bolide by camera-phone being able to evoke a sun dog. I suppose in the end I just have a bit more faith in the report of a ball speeding across the sky. and of course I agree that embellished eyewitness accounts can be problematic (along with my misplaced faith) ;-) Oh well. And all best / Darryl __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dawn Journal - August 30, 2009
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/journal_8_30_09.asp Dawn Journal Dr. Marc Rayman August 30, 2009 Dear Indawnmitables, The Dawn mission remains on course as the spacecraft continues to thrust with its ion propulsion system, patiently, persistently, and gently changing its orbit to keep its appointment with protoplanet Vesta in two years. Meanwhile, closer to mission control and in stark contrast, brave firefighters work hard to protect JPL and the nearby homes of many of its employees and others in the community. The probe has continued in quiet cruise since the last log. During this month, engineers did give the robot a few extra tasks to ensure it remains healthy, but these were routine. When each such assignment was conducted the first time or two that Dawn was in space, they were treated as special activities, with even greater diligence than is normally applied to the unforgiving and complex undertaking of flying a spacecraft far from Earth. Now however, the commands for these activities are stored onboard well ahead of time along with the routine commands for thrusting, communicating with Earth, and carrying out all the other functions the spacecraft normally conducts without the mission control team devoting extra attention. Included in the maintenance procedures were instructions to perform a sequence of movements of the mechanism that points ion thruster #1, to power off reaction wheel #2 and return #1 to service, and to operate the gyroscopes for about 4 days. For readers who do not have their copies of the Dawn operations manuals handy, some information about these 3 kinds of operations was provided in a previous log. Another event that is now considered routine occurred on August 15. For the second time this year, a particle of space radiation struck a particularly sensitive electrical component on the spacecraft, depositing enough energy to interfere with the operation of a circuit. When this happened in January 2008, it caused Dawn to enter safe mode, interrupting its other activities. Thanks to software the team transmitted to the ship later that year, now the interplanetary explorer is immune to strikes in that formerly vulnerable location. As Dawn continues its long (in space and in time) solar system journey to match orbits with Vesta and later with Ceres, both of which reside farther from the Sun than the probe has yet traveled, some readers may note a surprising trend in the statistics for the mission. The famously unimaginative ending of each of these logs reveals that Dawn's distance from Earth has been diminishing since November 2008. Indeed, the probe's maximum separation from its planet of origin occurred on November 10. Today, it is as far from Earth as it was on June 2, 2008. By January 2010, it will be as close as it was in March 2008. Is this progress? Earth and Dawn, each following its own path, are both in orbit around the Sun. As grateful residents of the planet know, their world's orbit doesn't change very much. The planet keeps following the same nearly circular path around the Sun year after year after year. Today Earth is about 1.01 astronomical units (AU) from the Sun, and it never strays very far from its average distance of 1.00 AU. As Dawn has traveled independently of Earth, thanks to the push from its Delta rocket, its orbit has been farther from the Sun than Earth's. The gradual effect of ion thrusting and the much more abrupt boost from Mars have caused that orbit to change considerably since then. To enter orbit around Vesta, Dawn will have to match the giant asteroid's orbit around the Sun, ranging from 2.15 AU to 2.57 AU. Today, Dawn is 1.53 AU from the Sun and headed outward. As we saw a year ago (that is, one Earth-orbit-around-the-Sun ago), objects at different orbital distances travel at different speeds. The probe, orbiting the Sun at a greater range than Earth, travels more slowly, because the Sun's gravitational attraction diminishes with distance. So as Dawn heads slowly for Vesta, gradually spiraling away from the Sun, and Earth speeds around more quickly in its orbit, sometimes our planet moves closer to the spacecraft and sometimes it moves farther away. In a continuing effort to offset the extraordinary cost of these logs with the handsome revenue from subtle product placements, we can refer to still another in the apparently endless line of Dawn clocks (many of which have been described in recent logs and all of which are available in the Dawn gift shop on your planet). On this clock, the minute hand is shorter than the hour hand. The motion of the former represents Earth, traveling closer to the Sun (at the clock's center) and more quickly. Dawn is at the tip of the hour hand, moving more slowly in its larger orbit. (We'll ignore for now that the hour hand should be growing in length, as the spacecraft recedes from the Sun.) Some of the time (such as between noon and about 12:30), the distance between the ends of the
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: August 24-28, 2009
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES August 24-28, 2009 o Dunes (Released 24 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090824a o Promethei Planum (Released 25 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090825a o Dunes in IR (Released 26 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090826a o Sand Sheet in IR (Released 27 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090827a o Capri Chasma (Released 28 August 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090828a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section
Thanks for the storm of ideas, Bernd. It looks like this one will take some more time and expertise. I wonder if John Kashuba might shed some light on (through) this TS? What are some other ideas for the notations on the bottom label? 'Ct' could be an old abbreviation for county, which would point to Homestead, though it is typically 'Co.' It would seem odd to abbreviate a short word like city. Perhaps the '61' and 1861 are a coincidence and the 61 is simply the number assigned to that slide. Fun stuff! Thanks, Mike Bandli www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:44 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section A few ideas after brainstorming a bit ... what brain? :-) Mike B. writes: Iowa has three official chondrites to its name prior to his passing. Marion, 1847 (L6), Homestead, 1875 (L5) and Forest City, 1895 (H5) *If* it's Marion, you might find veins because Marion is described as having veins. *If* it's Homestead, it should be brecciated and severely shocked (S4). *If* it's Forest City, it should also show brecciation. Hmm, Homestead and Forest City, ... both brecciated :-( But: Measuring the diameters of the chondrules might help here as Forest City chondrules (H5) should be smaller than Homestead chondrules (L5). By the way, just in case your thin section should contain copper, ... Homestead is described as containing copper. Best wishes from Germany, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Skipper's Dad Co-Discovers a Comet!
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:07:28 -0400, you wrote: While we're on the off topic of old movies, did anyone realize that Alan Hale, the Skipper's (Alan Hale Jr.), dad, was the co-discoverer of the most widely observed comet of the 20th Century? Phil (Think IRONY, people!) Whitmer And (possibly) the OTHER discoverer of that comet gave up on this list just a couple of days ago! http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2009-August/055920.html (Unless it was someone else named Thomas Bopp.) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Skipper's Dad Co-Discovers a Comet!
While we're on the off topic of old movies, did anyone realize that Alan Hale, the Skipper's (Alan Hale Jr.), dad, was the co-discoverer of the most widely observed comet of the 20th Century? I didn't know there was a connection. Back around 1992, 3 or 4, I observed the Quadrantid meteor shower with Alan Hale in Descanso, CA.. There were three of us...Bob Lunsford, Alan Hale and myself. Of course this was all before he co discovered comet Hale/Bopp. He got bored with the meteor observing and broke out one of his scopes and started looking at the stars and whatever he could find. The Quadrantids was a good show that year. Later when he co-discovered the comet, I thought it would get me an autographed photo of the comet (I took the photo)...but it didn't. :O) George Zay **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Skipper's Dad Co-Discovers a Comet!
When I briefly met Alan Hale, Jr aka The Skipper, the only observing he wanted to do was women. I don't think he could tell a planet from a star, but he sure liked watching the stellar objects of the female form divine. -mt Original Message From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:01 PM To: cyna...@charter.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Skipper's Dad Co-Discovers a Comet! What is truely amazing that Alan Hale co-discovered Hale-Bopp in 1995 (fact), while Alan Hale, Sr. died in 1950 and Alan Hale, Jr. died in 1990. Wow! I do not think that they were related. Larry PS yes, I do think that the Thomas Bopp who left the list was the real Bopp of Hale-Bopp. :( __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Skipper's Dad Co-Discovers a Comet!
What is truely amazing that Alan Hale co-discovered Hale-Bopp in 1995 (fact), while Alan Hale, Sr. died in 1950 and Alan Hale, Jr. died in 1990. Wow! I do not think that they were related. Larry PS yes, I do think that the Thomas Bopp who left the list was the real Bopp of Hale-Bopp. :( On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:07:28 -0400, you wrote: While we're on the off topic of old movies, did anyone realize that Alan Hale, the Skipper's (Alan Hale Jr.), dad, was the co-discoverer of the most widely observed comet of the 20th Century? Phil (Think IRONY, people!) Whitmer And (possibly) the OTHER discoverer of that comet gave up on this list just a couple of days ago! http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2009-August/055920.html (Unless it was someone else named Thomas Bopp.) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section
Mike, Bernd, List, I don't know how much light I can shed on the matter. I understand it takes at least 750 watts. As usual Bernd has done some nicely directed research that might help key this one out. If Tom still has the slide he might spin it in his 'scope to get a feel for how shocked it is. Are those splotchy shadows in some of his views evidence of mosaicism? Another tack would be to get thin sections of the pairing suspects for comparison. You might find common features like iron staining (or not), broken chondrules and mineral grains (or not), odd clasts of one type or another (or not) etc. I don't have any of the three mentioned but Anne Black might find a couple of them in the large collection she just received. It probably would not be definitive, but it WOULD be fun and that's what this is about! Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike Bandli Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:36 PM To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section Thanks for the storm of ideas, Bernd. It looks like this one will take some more time and expertise. I wonder if John Kashuba might shed some light on (through) this TS? What are some other ideas for the notations on the bottom label? 'Ct' could be an old abbreviation for county, which would point to Homestead, though it is typically 'Co.' It would seem odd to abbreviate a short word like city. Perhaps the '61' and 1861 are a coincidence and the 61 is simply the number assigned to that slide. Fun stuff! Thanks, Mike Bandli www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:44 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section A few ideas after brainstorming a bit ... what brain? :-) Mike B. writes: Iowa has three official chondrites to its name prior to his passing. Marion, 1847 (L6), Homestead, 1875 (L5) and Forest City, 1895 (H5) *If* it's Marion, you might find veins because Marion is described as having veins. *If* it's Homestead, it should be brecciated and severely shocked (S4). *If* it's Forest City, it should also show brecciation. Hmm, Homestead and Forest City, ... both brecciated :-( But: Measuring the diameters of the chondrules might help here as Forest City chondrules (H5) should be smaller than Homestead chondrules (L5). By the way, just in case your thin section should contain copper, ... Homestead is described as containing copper. Best wishes from Germany, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rare Achondrite Auctions Ending Wed. - AD
Dear List Members, I have 34 rare achondrite auctions ending tomorrow (Wednesday, Sept. 2nd), and a good majority are Lunar, Martian, Brachinite, Lodranite and other goodies. Most are started at just 99 cents, and a couple are currently still that low! Great deals will be had by checking out my items under seller name, NaturesVault. Another interesting item that will end along with the above mentioned auctions is a complete Eucrite slice with a Natural Hole. This is the first item listed and is NWA 3152. All of these can been seen by clicking here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault Thank you for checking these out, and if you are bidding, I hope you win what you are after! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Alan Hale Jr. Related Off Topic Who's Hotter, Mary Ann Or Ginger?
Guys, Relax, it was a lame attempt at humor. I thought the word IRONY in capital letters would give it away. I was poking fun at the irony of people not realizing I was attempting humor when I intentionally repeated some common misquotes. Hmmm, I can see now why people sometimes think I'm mentally challenged. Just reading about the Hale-Bopp comet when a funny picture popped into my mind of the Skipper's dad (who I sometimes can't tell from the actual Skipper) squinting into a telescope, spotting an unknown deep space object, getting out his star charts, confirming it was an unknown comet, then immediately calling the appropriate governing body and getting it named after himself. OK, I guess you had to have been there and it maybe would be funnier if it was Alan Hale Jr. himself. I'm sure Alan Hale the comet guy never drew this comparison. So, if I say something really stupid, just assume it's a joke!!! While we're on the off topic of old movies, did anyone realize that Alan Hale, the Skipper's (Alan Hale Jr.), dad, was the co-discoverer of the most widely observed comet of the 20th Century? Phil (Think IRONY, people!) Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section
Good question, John. I checked, and you are in luck, I have all three. Well.it's not really luck, this collection is so huge, there is practically everything in there. Much more about it when I am done sorting and cataloguing all of it. Now, John, should I mail those three TS to you? If Mike would mail his historical TS to you, you will be able to compare them. And it might take more than 750 watts with all the smoke you are getting right now. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ In a message dated 9/1/2009 4:11:51 PM Mountain Daylight Time, mary.kash...@verizon.net writes: Mike, Bernd, List, I don't know how much light I can shed on the matter. I understand it takes at least 750 watts. As usual Bernd has done some nicely directed research that might help key this one out. If Tom still has the slide he might spin it in his 'scope to get a feel for how shocked it is. Are those splotchy shadows in some of his views evidence of mosaicism? Another tack would be to get thin sections of the pairing suspects for comparison. You might find common features like iron staining (or not), broken chondrules and mineral grains (or not), odd clasts of one type or another (or not) etc. I don't have any of the three mentioned but Anne Black might find a couple of them in the large collection she just received. It probably would not be definitive, but it WOULD be fun and that's what this is about! Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike Bandli Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:36 PM To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section Thanks for the storm of ideas, Bernd. It looks like this one will take some more time and expertise. I wonder if John Kashuba might shed some light on (through) this TS? What are some other ideas for the notations on the bottom label? 'Ct' could be an old abbreviation for county, which would point to Homestead, though it is typically 'Co.' It would seem odd to abbreviate a short word like city. Perhaps the '61' and 1861 are a coincidence and the 61 is simply the number assigned to that slide. Fun stuff! Thanks, Mike Bandli www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:44 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section A few ideas after brainstorming a bit ... what brain? :-) Mike B. writes: Iowa has three official chondrites to its name prior to his passing. Marion, 1847 (L6), Homestead, 1875 (L5) and Forest City, 1895 (H5) *If* it's Marion, you might find veins because Marion is described as having veins. *If* it's Homestead, it should be brecciated and severely shocked (S4). *If* it's Forest City, it should also show brecciation. Hmm, Homestead and Forest City, ... both brecciated :-( But: Measuring the diameters of the chondrules might help here as Forest City chondrules (H5) should be smaller than Homestead chondrules (L5). By the way, just in case your thin section should contain copper, ... Homestead is described as containing copper. Best wishes from Germany, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Another oldie TS
Since we're on the topic, here's one that does not require detective work: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/D-Dhurmsala.html Cheers, Mike Bandli www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section
Anne, I say we get out of the smoke and heat and all go to Mikes place in Washington. - John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of impact...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:11 PM To: mary.kash...@verizon.net; fuzzf...@comcast.net; bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section Good question, John. I checked, and you are in luck, I have all three. Well.it's not really luck, this collection is so huge, there is practically everything in there. Much more about it when I am done sorting and cataloguing all of it. Now, John, should I mail those three TS to you? If Mike would mail his historical TS to you, you will be able to compare them. And it might take more than 750 watts with all the smoke you are getting right now. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ In a message dated 9/1/2009 4:11:51 PM Mountain Daylight Time, mary.kash...@verizon.net writes: Mike, Bernd, List, I don't know how much light I can shed on the matter. I understand it takes at least 750 watts. As usual Bernd has done some nicely directed research that might help key this one out. If Tom still has the slide he might spin it in his 'scope to get a feel for how shocked it is. Are those splotchy shadows in some of his views evidence of mosaicism? Another tack would be to get thin sections of the pairing suspects for comparison. You might find common features like iron staining (or not), broken chondrules and mineral grains (or not), odd clasts of one type or another (or not) etc. I don't have any of the three mentioned but Anne Black might find a couple of them in the large collection she just received. It probably would not be definitive, but it WOULD be fun and that's what this is about! Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mike Bandli Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 1:36 PM To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section Thanks for the storm of ideas, Bernd. It looks like this one will take some more time and expertise. I wonder if John Kashuba might shed some light on (through) this TS? What are some other ideas for the notations on the bottom label? 'Ct' could be an old abbreviation for county, which would point to Homestead, though it is typically 'Co.' It would seem odd to abbreviate a short word like city. Perhaps the '61' and 1861 are a coincidence and the 61 is simply the number assigned to that slide. Fun stuff! Thanks, Mike Bandli www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 12:44 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Help: Mystery 19th Cent. Meteorite Thin Section A few ideas after brainstorming a bit ... what brain? :-) Mike B. writes: Iowa has three official chondrites to its name prior to his passing. Marion, 1847 (L6), Homestead, 1875 (L5) and Forest City, 1895 (H5) *If* it's Marion, you might find veins because Marion is described as having veins. *If* it's Homestead, it should be brecciated and severely shocked (S4). *If* it's Forest City, it should also show brecciation. Hmm, Homestead and Forest City, ... both brecciated :-( But: Measuring the diameters of the chondrules might help here as Forest City chondrules (H5) should be smaller than Homestead chondrules (L5). By the way, just in case your thin section should contain copper, ... Homestead is described as containing copper. Best wishes from Germany, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bolide?
The reason that I agree with richard on this one is because the guy who took it said it only laste a couple seconds. he then said he pulled the phone out of his pocket, he then would have had to activate the camera application, the aim, shhot and get a photo with the object almost in the center of the photo whil it is moving very very very fast, I just dont believe the story. Best, Joe K http://skyrockcafe.com http://illinoismeteorites.com - Original Message From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; cyna...@charter.net Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 12:41:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bolide? Nope, as Aaron from Utah states in the comments, it's a Sun dog. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dog -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 9/1/09, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net Subject: [meteorite-list] Bolide? To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 11:45 AM http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1210447/Father-snaps-meteor-camera-phone-speeds-sky.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Alien contact predicted
Thomas Jefferson. -- From: geo...@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 7:42 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Alien contact predicted I'd rather believe that a Yankee professor would lie than that rocks fall from the sky. Wasn't it former president Andrew Jackson that said this? GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re famous words
What a revoltin' development this is! See if anyone remembers who said that one. Everyone saying how they liked My First Meteorite Presentation and I have to see it from a scan BECAUSE MY COPY STILL IS NOT HERE. What a revoltin' development this is! One of these days Meteorite Magazine, one of these days, pow right in the kisser! I've looked over, under, behind, inside, and just about everywhere else, and still no magazine. Heck, there's just a big ol empty mailbox with nuttin' in it. Not even a Bill. Of course I did not expect any bills as I told my mail carrier that my name was not William and I didn't want any Bills. I get them anyway, just not today. Ok, I'll git back off the soap box and back into hiding now. Pete IMCA 1733 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD : Faceted Czech Moldavite Stones - Ready for jewelry and Meteorite Label Lot
Hi List! I acquired some Czech Moldavite gemstones and after keeping some (my wife has her eye on them), I had five to sell. One is already sold. I now have two Oval cuts and two Pear cut Moldavite gemstones. The Ovals are .6 carat and 1.22 carats. The Pears are .73 carat and .80 carat. Photos can be seen on my website here - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Brilliant-Green-Czech-Moldavite-Faceted-Gemstone--Oval-Cuts_968838.html http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Brilliant-Green-Czech-Moldavite-Faceted-Gemstone--Pear-Cuts_968828.html http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Brilliant-Green-Czech-Moldavite-Faceted-Gemstone--12-carat_968844.html I also have a mixed lot of 11 metal labels from MeteoriteLabels.com - http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/126516/Lot-of-11-Metal-Display-Labels-from-MeteoriteLabelscom_966374.html Don't forget, List members get a 25% discount by using the coupon code - metlist ... :) Thanks for looking and clear skies! MikeG PS - I am also getting some Neolithic period arrowheads (Mauritania) and I will have a limited number available. Contact me offlist if interested. -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 2, 2009
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[meteorite-list] Something new....
I have a slice I will try to etch. I also live in Oregon, and will try and collect some more of this material. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
