Re: [meteorite-list] Feedback: try this specific crater "R5" in Argentina: Darren Garrison: Rich Murray 2009.10.15
Re: [meteorite-list] Feedback: try this specific crater "R5" in Argentina: Darren Garrison: Rich Murray 2009.10.15 Hello Darren Garrison, Very apt! You have very high aptitude... Here's a nice view to try Google Earth on: R5 -41.474665 -67.912145 3.0 round, flat shallow 1.3 white core, .968, 1.167 area el 1 km N also crater 1.2X.6 on SW rim, 5 km E of Rd 8 ns, 28 km N of Rds 5 and 7. 1X.5 green [farm?] on NW rim of white core, with road. Part of a regional crater field on a dark, incised plateau -- the edges of the plateau are dark layers .1 km deep at least. This area is 130 km N of the Bajada del Diablo impact crater field. Sometimes clouds and their shadows look like craters, and some features are sinkholes, circle irrigation farm fields, farming terraces on hillside slopes, multitudes of oval freeze-thaw lakes in permafrost regions, orphan oxbow loops in river valleys, volcanos, and calderas, or mud, ice, or human dams on rivers, as well as mines, springs, inclined surface faults, valleys in mountain fold belts. I was fooled this year by piles of yellow sawdust in an abandoned sawmill yard in Las Vegas, New Mexico, until I visited the site. Cowpaths that radiate from a central stock tank make intriguing patterns, seen from above. However, impacts can initiate, modify, or overlap any of these -- for instance, an impact could create a shallow long crater of cracked rocks on the west side of Santa Fe Baldy, that might supply ground water and sustain an unusually high altitude pine forrest, readily seen from Santa Fe. On the east side I see [ 35.84 -105.75 ] a .13X.08 pond at 3.494 km altitude on Google Earth. Google Maps- Terrain often colors many ponds and lakes blue, expediting searches. Briefly, Carolina Bays (bays mean a particular type of tree in North and South Carolina) are in the range 0.1 to 20 km, probably ice or slushy comet fragment impacts at low velocity ( 5 km/sec ), commonly carrying white sand and minerals, at small angles under 10 degrees, like raindrops on a moving car's windshield, leaving shallow, flat craters, blasted but not melted or vaporized, with low rims, higher on the exit direction of movement, with little or no metal or stone from the objects. The shapes include round, oval, and irregular. They are especially visible on flat, dry bedrock areas above 1 km altitude, slower to be eroded, filled, or overgrown. There is a typical region from Las Vegas, New Mexico, north, east, and south for 10 to 30 miles, with scores of impacts, usually with associated white deposits, which, of course, would be moved a lot by wind and water. The uniform character of these unburied craters hints at a recent Holocene origin. I've found many samples of bedrock sandstone and lava rocks that seem to have been coated with a firm 0.1 to 10 cm layer of white minerals -- I envison it coming from a high-pressure blast of very hot mineral laden steam. Drawing upon ideas from many sources, many of which will be soon domumented in other posts, I agree that many ice comets exist, with great variation in origin (early solar system accretion, impacts and collisions on moons and planets with surface water or ice), variable composition (mostly water, any amount of various minerals, some inclusion of ordinary metals, stones, organics, common gases), size, temperature (cyrogenic solid, hot or warm from recent impacts or solar perigees, surface only wamth), density ( solid to boulder piles to spongey fractal types to dust balls), fragmentation (none, a few huge pieces in a cluster or line of flight, fractal cloud of pieces, velocity, angle of approach, orbital reoccurence), spin (direction and amount), and target areas (mountains, bare plateaus, lowland deserts, jungles, and coasts, human development, water and ice areas and depths). Impact scenarios for 5 km/sec low velocity impacts at low angles (5-10 degrees), with significant air resistance at 125 km for a mostly ice, cyrogenic, dense comet with 1,000 kg/m**3 density might be: 1. surface melting creates streamlining, enough to prevent breakup and explosive airbursts, and creating enough lift to lower the angle of descent and reduce the velocity (or later enough drag to cause a lower velocity falling impact at high angles). 2. As the lower surface encounters denser air, spinning may be caused, which may around the axis of velocity as a evolving cigar shape, or like a wheel, forming a sideways spinning sausage vortex, bent back on both sides like a "V". 3. Thus, the start of contact might leave 1, 2, 3, or more parallel grooves, growing in width and depth. 4. The dense core of the object may often leave a characteristic entry corridor, a valley with increasing depth -- showing the effective diameter of the object. 5.The main impact of the dense core will make the deepest part of the crater, still with little melting or vaporizing of the target rock, but it will be highly cracked, fragmented, and powdered, while the mineral laden high pressure h
[meteorite-list] Test - Ignore it please
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[meteorite-list] Looking for Gujba
Hello, does anyone have a nice 3-4 g Gujba slice for a good price? Email me at mouti...@bol.com.br Thank you! Andre __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Feedback -- will get both from fine town library interlibrary loans -- you sold me MIA about 2 months ago -- Thanks muchly!: Ed Grondine: Rich Murray 2009.10.15
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:14:36 -0600, you wrote: >Paul H, since I started posting about April to various lists, no one has >agreed with me... > Well, you said that there was a new consensus, after all... __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad Sales bickering, debates and the Really Good Stuff
I personally think at this point that Art should be getting a quarter or at least some monetary amount for each post. If this were a Google click environment he'd be making some money. ;-) I'm all for you Art, and thanks for setting up the list. You honestly should be running for public office since you must have really strong and think skin to have all of this bouncing off of you. Hang in there my friend. I appreciate your many years of the list and your services. Thanks for all the information we have had and are still gleaming from the list. Keep up the great work for many years to come. All the best! Brian IMCA #6387 searchingforfun is my ebay User Id __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Feedback -- will get both from fine town library interlibrary loans -- you sold me MIA about 2 months ago -- Thanks muchly!: Ed Grondine: Rich Murray 2009.10.15
Re: Feedback -- will get both from fine town library interlibrary loans -- you sold me MIA about 2 months ago -- Thanks muchly!: Ed Grondine: Rich Murray 2009.10.15 Paul H, since I started posting about April to various lists, no one has agreed with me... Well, I'm only presenting evidence for possibly a million 0.1 km diameter ice fragment impacts -- a fractal distribution, of course, in size, velocity, location, and angle of impact, within a time frame of a day to a few decades. Fact is, after looking over many ice impact fields in many parts of Earth, I am confident of my findings, and suspect I will turn out to be barely ahead of a very large, exponentially evolving pack -- this is my goal. The high (> 1 km), plateaus of Argentina, Oregon, New Mexico, and Texas are good places to apply Google Maps and Earth. I'm interested in whether and why you might explore this. I totally support the independence of all others. Rich Murray, 1943 Otowi Road, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505 505-501-2298 rmfor...@comcast.net - Original Message - From: "E.P. Grondine" To: Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:42 PM Subject: Feedback Hi Rich - But yourself copies of Clube and Napier's books "Cosmic Winter" and "Cosmic Serpent", and then get a copy of my own book "Man and Impact in the Americas". Ed __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Ad controversy.
1 Ad per Week and person? O - Yes O - No X - I DON'T CARE! Greg L. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Groningen Bolide
Oh happy day I get to witness this! -- From: "christopher sharp" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:22 PM To: Subject: [meteorite-list] Groningen Bolide Higher resolution image: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html Robert Mikaelyan got in a great couple of shots! He wouldn't have had a lot of time. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] One-Complaint Per Week Rule
OH YEA!! -- From: "Frank Cressy" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:41 PM To: Subject: [meteorite-list] One-Complaint Per Week Rule I'd vote for the one complaint per week rule...maybe even a one complaint per month rule! Frank __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 14, 2009
Tyrrhena Terra Crater with Central Uplift and Hydrated Minerals http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014333_1715 In the above image, is the "rusty" patch in the lower right quad., the hydrated minerals?? Thanks in advance Jerry Flaherty -- From: "Ron Baalke" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:56 PM To: "Meteorite Mailing List" Subject: [meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 14, 2009 MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES October 14, 2009 o USGS Dune Database Entry http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014426_2070 o Slope Streaks in Olympus Mons Aureole http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014394_2045 o Light-Toned Units along the Wallrock and Floor of Melas Region http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014339_1710 o Tyrrhena Terra Crater with Central Uplift and Hydrated Minerals http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014333_1715 o Gullies on South-Facing Slopes of Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014271_1480 o Disappearing Craters http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014097_1120 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Sounds like a valid historic summary and I don't advertize. -- From: "dean bessey" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:13 PM To: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse. The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week should be a rule. List members input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well.> This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record as saying that he did not mind ads. What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge being a part of what is basically the best online meteorite forum and said "OK, one a week". Then, rather than shut up, these 4 or 5 people decide to declare themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was their own. Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored). Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in some governments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically ruining things for everybody. Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no ownership or control of this list? The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself. Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us. And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election). I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that. Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to your attacks anymore Sincerely DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
Hallo Rob and everyone else cntributing to this topic...just wanted to thank you for sharing the fireball link with the list. The sequence was almost too spectacular to believe. Absolute shock and awe! Best wishes, Doug -Original Message- From: Rob Lenssen To: Meteorite List Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2009 12:50 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen Complete series of photographs: http://www.fotoarena.nl/ - Original Message - From: "Michael Groetz" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/meteorite_explodes_over_north.php Meteorite explodes over north Groningen Wednesday 14 October 2009 Hundreds of people report seeing a spectacular fireball or meteorite over the Netherlands in Tuesday's clear evening skies. The police emergency number, Dutch coastguard and KNMI weather bureau report dozens of phone calls about the meteorite, which was seen in Germany and Belgium. 'I was standing in front of my window when there was a bright flash of light and a white fireball in the sky fell apart into three smaller ones,' eyewitness Erik Alberts from Zuidbroek in Groningen province told Nos tv. 'Like fireworks. A few seconds later, perhaps half a minute, there was a low rumble and the windows shook.' Excellent Photographs: http://www.nu.nl/slideshow/1879465/popup.html# __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list meteorite-l...@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list meteorite-l...@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I will be retiring from the meteorite list - so please join my sales group which I started in 2000
Hello, In 2000 I started a sales list and I have decided to use it again. I have decided for many reasons to leave the meteorite list and I offer those of you who want to continue receiving sales info please join by clicking the link and sending a blank email. You will be signed up automatically. My entire collection is on the verge of being sold, but if not, I will begin the slicing and selling of all of my meteorite material starting in January, I will be selling over 20,000 meteorite specimens and will be trying to do that from January to June of 2010. Yes, with the slicing of my entire collection I do indeed have over 20,000 specimens that will come onto the market. Hopefully, the collection will sell in its whole state. It sure would save a lot of trouble! Anyways, if you would like to stay incontact and enjoy many great discounted sales to come, please join my newsletter below. Just click and send blank email meteoritecollector-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] You learn something new everyday
Hi Paul - I was amazed to learn of the iron impactor which killed the dinosaurs. I was also amazed to learn how very large comet fragments further fragment when they hit the Earth's atmosphere at hypervelocities. Well, then, they don't all just turn into magic comet dust then, the earlier load from NASA. You learn something new everyday. Today I learned that it pays to tow the line that comet impacts are no more than 5% of the impact hazard. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Groningen Bolide
Higher resolution image: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html Robert Mikaelyan got in a great couple of shots! He wouldn't have had a lot of time. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] M Cottingham statement
Michael, How about respecting: 1) The rules the maker and maintainer of this list set up instead Of SAYING you would abide by a rule voted upon? 2) What the hell is a "real" vote? There is, was and always will be Only ONE "real" vote - and that is Art's. Just because he hasn't Chosen to take you off the list indefinately does not mean he won't AT ANY TIME do so. Additionally, he tends to be VERY SLOW in Reinstating people he removes. Though I am not aware of anyone (except a particularly abrasive and obscene list member from Texas Several years back) that he has not reinstated after a year or so. Wonder how it would effect your business if you were suddenly Off the list for 6 months to a year? Is it worth continually posting Ads 4,5 or more times a week? Are you TRYING to find out at what Point he will take you off the list? If so, the problem with that is it Will then be too late to do anything but wait for a goodly number of Months to be reinstated. And that's the way it is, Michael On 10/15/09 1:10 PM, "Michael Cottingham" wrote: > Dude you are one of the people who are clueless and YES a vote BY > Everyone ON The Issue Once And For ALL would be great. I would even > abide by a REAL vote. > > Michael Cottingham __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Hi Dean and All, This is not a democracy, It is a newsletter set up, managed by and paid for By Art. Art and only Art has "a say" in the rules - WHICH ARE QUITE CLEAR: Michael Cottingham (and more than a few others) Choose to ignore the rule about one ad per week per person. Matteo sets himself apart from all others, having broken So many rules in such a serious manor (obscenities and the like) that Art took him off the list. Matteo, however, simply made up an endless chain of New email addresses to make it impossible for Art to assert Consequences for his blatant rule braking. Art just said, "screw It" in his instance, as it would have required so much work by Art and a change in the way people could join the list freely that It actually threatened the nature of the list, itself to attempt to Deal with Matteo. So, some of you may or may not care a good deal, very little Or not at all about how often one advertizes on the list. However, That does not mean you - or anyone else, has "a say" in the rules Or how they are enforced. To some degree, the list has to be self monitoring or it will be More than Art will want to deal with. For that reason, I do not Respond to or acknowledge anything Matteo posts on the list. Off List, I am fine with Matteo and interact with him like any other Member of the meteorite community. My point is, when one of us blatantly abuses the list by Braking any of the VERY REASONABLE rules, it threatens the List, itself - therefore, I choose to TRY to ignore posts engaged In list braking - so do most list members (except when it concerns Chicago Steve - for some reason, there are two or three dozen members Who feel free to point out his transgressions instantly and with great Force and fierce contempt. Having the skin of a rhino, this appears To phase Chicago Steve very little). In any event - those of you who brake the list rules should be Prepared for a s**t storm, should the villagers arise with pitch forks And torches. Those of you who do NOT address (or dress down) people Braking list rules would perhaps be better served utilizing the ol' "DELETE" key on posts of said threads. Best wishes, Michael On 10/15/09 1:27 PM, "dean bessey" wrote: > Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha= > ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less = > than your average. > =20 > Gary >> > But that snot what the question for the referendum would be. > The referendum question should read: > SHOULD WE RIGIDLY STICK TO THE ONE A WEEK RULE NO MATTER WHAT THE > CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, EVEN DURING SHOWS, WITH NEW IMPORTANT FALLS AND ANY OTHER > POSSIBLE SCENARIO WHERE MORE THAN ONE AD A WEEK WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE > LIST MEMBERS AT LARGE EVEN BY DEALERS WHO ALMOST NEVER OTHERWISE POST ADS > > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] One-Complaint Per Week Rule
1) The list was owned, set up, and run by Art. 2) Art establish a "one ad per week" rule. 3) A vote? It's pointless (see 1 and 2 above) Geez... what's so hard about showing a little respect for Art and living within the rules he established? Personally, I respect those sellers that abide by the rules and I'm inclined to buy from them as opposed to those who do not. If you can't follow a simple rule in a list, I would alsways worry about the conditions of any sale. My opinion. Dave __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule - with link to Art's original message
Hello All, I'm not saying it's necessarily a good or bad thing, but - first-off, it seems like we should clear up some misconceptions. I just went through the list archives and turned this up: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2006-November/028708.html There you have a copy of the original message that Art sent back in 2005. He actually does state fairly clearly that ads "should" be limited to one per week. The problem there is the wording - "should" doesn't imply that they will actually be limited to one-per-seven-days, and it doesn't mean that someone will get kicked off of the list of they overdo it. I would go so far as to say, however, that one who does not limit ads to one per week *is* going against list policy. That much seems clear. I will not judge as to whether or not what has been happening is good or bad; personally, I find the ads annoying, but I also recognize the fact that whether or not I find them annoying is entirely irrelevant. Do I believe that there are currently certain list members who are using the list exclusively for their own financial gain? Yes. Is this a bad thing? - Only if they exploit it in such a way that in doing so they hurt the educational aspect of the list. Now, as to whether or not this has been happening is open to debate, but what seems clear is that some people are annoyed, and, I think I would go so far as to say that rules have been broken. Now, I'm not a stickler for rules, so saying that someone is "breaking the rules" isn't *necessarily* a bad thing. However, I would point out the fact that common courtesy would dictate that such rules should be adhered to - insofar as that particular rule was added by Art because of problems - problems exactly like this - in the past. Whether or not you like Cottingham's meteorites or prices has little to do with whether or not he is being considerate in is rampant postings. And I agree with what another list-member said about learning a great deal from the variety of specimens in his store. In fact, I bought something from him yesterday, and am elated about the deal. But one must realize that if he posted ads once-weekly, those pictures and specimens would still be there, and one could still see the specimens at his or her leisure. To get to the point - while I do not believe it my place to criticize someone for posting "too much," he is technically breaking list policy. As are others. Would it be an issue if people weren't complaining? No. But there are rule-abiding (and rule-breaking) list-members who have a problem with what he's doing, and it is against the rules, so it's an issue, and one that must be dealt with. Someone [Bill, others] should talk to Art about the matter if they have a problem with it. All of this anti-Cottingham posting is just giving him more publicity, which is exactly what he wants, if I'm not mistaken. I believe this is a situation in which Art should feel obliged to act; list policy has been stated - and is now being broken, and certain people are angry about it. This seems like a pretty clear-cut situation. And if he doesn't act, there's really nothing to be done. I suppose you could boycott certain sellers, kick them out of the IMCA, that sort of thing, but those are issues for people to deal with personally, or within the IMCA, as they see fit. As a non-member, I can't speak for how they would act, and doubt that he is breaking any of their policies, but feel unqualified to comment. Regards, Jason On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Howard Steffic wrote: > > One ad per person per week is my vote, > > Also, if this fails I am willing to sign on to Gary's idea of posting an ad > everytime the spammer violates the unwritten rule. Will 900 people do this? > No, but maybe enough will to break the back of this spammer. > > Howard Steffic > > >> From: impact...@aol.com >> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:25:10 -0400 >> To: altm...@meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule >> >> In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, >> altm...@meteorite-martin.de writes: >> Hi Dean, >> >> Simple minds like me need simple questions: >> >> 1 Ad per Week and person? >> >> - Yes >> - No >> - I don't care >> >> s difficult it isn't, is it? >> >> >> YES! >> ONE ad a week at most, any week, anyone. >> >> This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorites, >> learning, and helping new people learn. >> >> Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads, there >> is a mailing list specifically for that, as a reminder here it the address: >> . >> _meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com_ >> (mailto:meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com) >> >> Please use it. >> >> Anne M. Black >> http://www.impactika.com/ >> impact...@aol.com >> Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. >> http://www.imca.cc/ >>
Re: [meteorite-list] Clovis consensus and AD
Hi Paul, all - While NASA still has its head up its arse, CNRS does not: 2009 FALL AGU San Francisco, CA Field-Analytical approach of land-sea records for elucidating the Younger Dryas Boundary syndrome SECTION/FOCUS GROUP: Paleoceanography and Paleoclimatology (PP) SESSION: Younger Dryas Boundary: Extraterrestrial Impact or Not? (PP15) AUTHORS (FIRST NAME, LAST NAME): Thierry Ge1, MARIE-AGNES MICHELE COURTY2, Francois Guichard3 INSTITUTIONS (ALL): 1. Geoarcheology, INRAP, Pessac, France. 2. Prehistory -IPHES-ICREA, CNRS-MNHN, Tarragona, Spain. 3. Paleoocenography, CNRS-CEA UVSQ, Gif-sur-Yvette, France. Linking lonsdaleite crystals, carbon spherules and diamond polymorphs from the North American dark layers at 12.9 cal yr B.P. to a cosmic event has questioned the nature and timing of the related impact processes. A global signal should trace the invoked airshocks and/or surface impacts from a swarm of comets or carbonaceous chondrites. Here we report on the contextual analytical study of debris fall events from three reference sequences of the Younger Dyras period (11-13 ka cal BP): (1) sand dune fields along the French Atlantic coast at the Audenge site; (2) A 10 m record of detrital/bioorganic accumulation in the southern basin of the Caspian Sea with regular sedimentation rate (0.1 to 3 mm per year) from 14 to 2-ka BP cal; (3) the Paijan sequence (Peruvian coastal desert) offering fossiliferous fluvial layers with the last large mammals and aquatic fauna at 13 ka BP sealed by abiotic sand dunes. The three sequences display one remarkable layer of exogenous air-transported microdebris that is part of a complex time series of recurrent fine dust/wildfire events. The sharp debris-rich microfacies and its association to ashes derived from calcination of the local vegetation suggest instantaneous deposition synchronous to a high intensity wildfire. The debris assemblage comprises microtektite-like glassy spherules, partly devitrified glass shards, unmelted to partly melted sedimentary and igneous clasts, terrestrial native metals, and carbonaceous components. The later occur as grape-clustered polymers, vitrified graphitic carbon, amorphous carbon spherules with a honeycomb pattern, and green carbon fibres with recrystallized quartz and metal blebs. Evidence for high temperature formation from a heterogeneous melt with solid debris and volatile components derived from carbonaceous precursors supports an impact origin from an ejecta plume. The association of debris deposition to total firing would trace a high energy airburst with surface effects of the fireball. In contrast, microfacies and debris composition of the recurrent fine dust/wildfire events would trace a series of a low energy airburst. Their record is expressed in the Audenge sequence by a series of water-laid laminae of charred pine residues formed of carbonaceous spherules wrapped by carbonaceous polymers that includes lonsdaleite crystals as detected by high resolution in situ micro-Raman analysis. This association suggests recurrent flash forest wildfires ignited by hot spray of carbon-rich debris, followed by heavy snow falls. The record from the Peruvian desert suggests a possible linkage between the repeated debris fall/wildfires during the Younger Dryas and the following irreversible aridity along the Peruvian cost. In contrast the Caspian record of the Younger Dryas period indicates more gradual changes, possibly buffered by the hydrological functioning of the Caspian sea in a complex region. The Audenge context offers the amplified signal needed to understand at local to global scales the spatio-temporal pattern of impact-airburst events. KEYWORDS: [4901] PALEOCEANOGRAPHY / Abrupt/rapid climate change, [1029] GEOCHEMISTRY / Composition of aerosols and dust particles, [4924] PALEOCEANOGRAPHY / Geochemical tracers, [5420] PLANETARY SCIENCES: SOLID SURFACE PLANETS / Impact phenomena, cratering. Previously Presented Material: Original results, never presented, never published There was no reason for the peoples living here to make up their stories of comet impact: http://forum.palanth.com/index.php/topic,1093.0.html Based on an eyeball estiamte of quarry usage, as well as the mammoth, this one killed about 95% of the people living in North America. I hope Administrator Bolden will be taking care of this situation shortly. Copies of my book Man and Impact in the Americas are available to list members for $20 plus shipping. Contact me off list. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: High quality specimens
Hello again List, I have a couple of nice pieces on a short eBay run this week in my twice-annual listing ;-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180419140081 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180419138780 Thanks for looking, and all best regards, Dave Gheesling IMCA #5967 www.fallingrocks.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] TEST Sorry... Please Delete
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Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 One ad per week=2C per person. Yes. =20 The rule is already in place. If people feel they have a good reason to pos= t daily or even hourly ads=2C they need only take their concerns directly t= o Art and wait for him to change the rule.=20 =20 Until he makes that change=2C any ad posts to the contrary are an insult to= him and to the majority that follow the rules. =20 Bill =20 =20 =20 > From: bencub...@hotmail.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 17:09:12 -0600 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule >=20 >=20 > One ad per person per week is my vote=2C >=20 > Also=2C if this fails I am willing to sign on to Gary's idea of posting a= n ad everytime the spammer violates the unwritten rule. Will 900 people do = this? No=2C but maybe enough will to break the back of this spammer. >=20 > Howard Steffic=20 >=20 >=20 >> From: impact...@aol.com >> Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 18:25:10 -0400 >> To: altm...@meteorite-martin.de=3b Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule >>=20 >> In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time=2C=20 >> altm...@meteorite-martin.de writes: >> Hi Dean=2C >>=20 >> Simple minds like me need simple questions: >>=20 >> 1 Ad per Week and person? >>=20 >> - Yes >> - No >> - I don't care >>=20 >> s difficult it isn't=2C is it? >> >>=20 >> YES! >> ONE ad a week at most=2C any week=2C anyone. >>=20 >> This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorite= s=2C=20 >> learning=2C and helping new people learn. >>=20 >> Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads=2C t= here=20 >> is a mailing list specifically for that=2C as a reminder here it the add= ress: >> .=20 >> _meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com_=20 >> (mailto:meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com)=20 >>=20 >> Please use it. >>=20 >> Anne M. Black >> http://www.impactika.com/ >> impact...@aol.com >> Vice-President=2C I.M.C.A. Inc. >> http://www.imca.cc/ >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list=20 > _ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > =0A= _=0A= Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/= __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
I strike my comments (good points Adam, Gary and Martin). Rules usually have a good reason. --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Adam Hupe wrote: > From: Adam Hupe > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule > To: "Adam" > Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 7:12 AM > Dear List, > > The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken > by Art about advertising in his forum. Advertising is > a privilege, not a right and Art was considering having no > ads at all due to abuse. The consensus, at the time, > was that way too many ads were being posted and that > one-ad-per-week should be a > rule. List members input was taken into > account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority > of other members as well. > > I know of several people who will not subscribe due to the > number of ads, some of which instead read the archives on a > daily basis. Even then, scrolling through hundreds of ads > would drown out more useful information in the archives > which are permanent and cannot be deleted. An ads usefulness > disappears immediately, yet it is stuck for eternity in the > archives. The delete key will not help here. A > lot of forums will not allow any advertisements so we should > feel lucky. > > Art would not have made the rule if he felt it was not > important. Out of respect for him and other members, I feel > the rule should be honored or we might all lose our > advertising privileges due to a few members who cannot and > will not control themselves. > > Best Regards, > > Adam > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Simple answer to AD "controversy"
Gary & All, Yes indeed. But it should be noted that I'm not interested in taking sides in the fight-to-the-death AD war nonsense...about to post one after this, in fact (no, this will not be my second this week, as I was posting for Robert earlier in the week). And I personally have no problem finding the delete key. It's just that the wrong issues are being debated. It's Art Jones' list. He has, in fact, published clear policies. Out of simple respect for what he has provided to the international meteorite community, these policies should be respected unless and until he modifies his position. Period. It just doesn't get simpler than that... All the best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Gary Chase Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 7:54 PM To: meteoritecentral Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Simple answer to AD "controversy" But Dean said that Adam was making all this up. Why are you trying to confuse the issue with facts and actual written rules? LOL! Gary > From: d...@fallingrocks.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:35:32 -0400 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Simple answer to AD "controversy" > > Hello All, > That a vote ensues at the moment on this matter is bizarre...at best. > That "gentlemen's agreements," the notion that no written policy > exists, etc, persist is, well, beyond bizarre. See below the very > specific policies of the list that are sent by Art Jones to new list > members. Note in particular "7. Limit AD posts to once-per-week (i.e. > refrain from spamming the list with ads)" Is this really so difficult? > All the best, > Dave > www.fallingrocks.com > > < WELCOME TO THE METEORITE MAILING LIST! > == > > General List Policies - 1. All posts need to > relate to meteorites in some way 2. Please be courteous and > professional at all times 3. Do not post -private messages- or > -personal attacks- to the list (direct all personal replies to the > specific recipient) 4. Please include a relevant > -subject- in the subject of the email 5. Do NOT send -HTML- or -Rich > Text- formatted emails ... only TEXT will be posted 6. Do NOT send > emails with -file > attachments- to the list (include a web link to the file) 7. Limit AD > posts to once-per-week (i.e. refrain from spamming the list with ads) > 8. All AD posts should contain the words -SALE- or -AD- in the subject > of the email > > > Your support of these policies will lead to an interesting and > positive forum environment, thank you! > > Art Jones - blurthel...@gmail.com Meteorite Mailing List Admin>> > > Dave Gheesling > IMCA #5967 > www.fallingrocks.com > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad Ban Cho Lae part slice
Good evening list members, I have just listed the fourth of the five lots of the fourth meteorite from Thailand, Ban Cho Lae. I am listing the remaining four lots at the rate of approximately one per week until all gone. This auction is for the fourth largest specimen, a .2774 gram beautiful part slice with great fusion crust along one edge and measuring approximately 12mm x 7mm giving good surface area. This meteorite, with the exception of the first lot sold, does not exist in any private or institutional collections and is a true rarity. I hold the main mass of 3.35 kg. The specimens being sold were removed at the time of preparing a 20 gram sample for classification more than two years ago. The details of this meteorite can be found in the Meteoritical Bulletin by searching "Ban Cho Lae". Below is the eBay link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160370191551 Thanks for looking and have a great evening! Jack __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Space debris hits roof in UK
Hi All, Just seen this... Does look ablated... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1220621/Red-hot-piece-space-junk-crashes-pensioners-roof.html I wonder what sort of fireball that made without being reported? !!! Graham Ensor UK impact...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > altm...@meteorite-martin.de writes: > Hi Dean, > > Simple minds like me need simple questions: > > 1 Ad per Week and person? > > - Yes > - No > - I don't care > > s difficult it isn't, is it? > > > YES! > ONE ad a week at most, any week, anyone. > > This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorites, > learning, and helping new people learn. > > Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads, there > is a mailing list specifically for that, as a reminder here it the address: > . > _meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com_ > (mailto:meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com) > > Please use it. > > Anne M. Black > http://www.impactika.com/ > impact...@aol.com > Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. > http://www.imca.cc/ > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
--- On Thu, 10/15/09, Howard Steffic wrote: > From: Howard Steffic > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 4:09 PM > > ... Will 900 people do this? No, but > maybe enough will to break the back of this spammer. > > Howard Steffic Sorry Howard, this will never be the result. The spammer will ignore everyone elses spams and continue to send out their own... Since the beginning of spam 31.5 years ago, the only solution has been to set up your 1) filters, 2) use your delete, 3) let the list administrator handle it. If the list administrator does nothing, there is nothing you can do except to continue to do 1 & 2, or leave the list entirely. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's the unfortunate truth... Actually, now that I think of it, there are other things you can do. Contact the ISP of the spammer and complain the account is being used to send spam. They'll shut down the account, especially if they get multiple complaints. Some states also have laws against spammers too. For me, I've been dealing with spam for almost two decades. I just do 1, 2 & finally 3 if the problem becomes too great. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [meteorite-list
Hi all, Sorry for starting a( big fire)-Let alone an atomic bomb, on hear! Just trying to get great info. on meteorites! Thanks, ever so much to Carl, James Baxten and to Anna Black, Who all sent me, web-site info: on resource material, or web-sites to research about meteorites, I just started collecting back in May, and most of what I buy is for 2 schools in Ohio to inspire Kids about space and science, When I get enough material, and put together a manual for them. All the stones will be loaned to the schools, For as long as the teachers use them in the class to teach! Hopefuly testing what can be done in a high school on meteorites Dave Myers ..Cincinnati __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Simple answer to AD "controversy"
But Dean said that Adam was making all this up. Why are you trying to confuse the issue with facts and actual written rules? LOL! Gary > From: d...@fallingrocks.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:35:32 -0400 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Simple answer to AD "controversy" > > Hello All, > That a vote ensues at the moment on this matter is bizarre...at best. That > "gentlemen's agreements," the notion that no written policy exists, etc, > persist is, well, beyond bizarre. See below the very specific policies of > the list that are sent by Art Jones to new list members. Note in particular > "7. Limit AD posts to once-per-week (i.e. refrain from spamming the list > with ads)" Is this really so difficult? > All the best, > Dave > www.fallingrocks.com > > < WELCOME TO THE METEORITE MAILING LIST! > == > > General List Policies - 1. All posts need to relate to > meteorites in some way 2. Please be courteous and professional at all times > 3. Do not post -private messages- or -personal attacks- to the list (direct > all personal replies to the specific recipient) 4. Please include a relevant > -subject- in the subject of the email 5. Do NOT send -HTML- or -Rich Text- > formatted emails ... only TEXT will be posted 6. Do NOT send emails with > -file > attachments- to the list (include a web link to the file) 7. Limit AD posts > to once-per-week (i.e. refrain from spamming the list with ads) 8. All AD > posts should contain the words -SALE- or -AD- in the subject of the email > > > Your support of these policies will lead to an interesting and positive > forum environment, thank you! > > Art Jones - blurthel...@gmail.com Meteorite Mailing List Admin>> > > Dave Gheesling > IMCA #5967 > www.fallingrocks.com > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Simple answer to AD "controversy"
Hello All, That a vote ensues at the moment on this matter is bizarre...at best. That "gentlemen's agreements," the notion that no written policy exists, etc, persist is, well, beyond bizarre. See below the very specific policies of the list that are sent by Art Jones to new list members. Note in particular "7. Limit AD posts to once-per-week (i.e. refrain from spamming the list with ads)" Is this really so difficult? All the best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com <> Dave Gheesling IMCA #5967 www.fallingrocks.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] One-Complaint Per Week Rule
I'd vote for the one complaint per week rule...maybe even a one complaint per month rule! Frank __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
One ad per person per week is my vote, Also, if this fails I am willing to sign on to Gary's idea of posting an ad everytime the spammer violates the unwritten rule. Will 900 people do this? No, but maybe enough will to break the back of this spammer. Howard Steffic > From: impact...@aol.com > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:25:10 -0400 > To: altm...@meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule > > In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > altm...@meteorite-martin.de writes: > Hi Dean, > > Simple minds like me need simple questions: > > 1 Ad per Week and person? > > - Yes > - No > - I don't care > > s difficult it isn't, is it? > > > YES! > ONE ad a week at most, any week, anyone. > > This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorites, > learning, and helping new people learn. > > Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads, there > is a mailing list specifically for that, as a reminder here it the address: > . > _meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com_ > (mailto:meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com) > > Please use it. > > Anne M. Black > http://www.impactika.com/ > impact...@aol.com > Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. > http://www.imca.cc/ > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
1 Ad per Week and person? -> Y E S Best regards, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: To: ; Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, altm...@meteorite-martin.de writes: Hi Dean, Simple minds like me need simple questions: 1 Ad per Week and person? - Yes - No - I don't care s difficult it isn't, is it? YES! ONE ad a week at most, any week, anyone. This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorites, learning, and helping new people learn. Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads, there is a mailing list specifically for that, as a reminder here it the address: . _meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com) Please use it. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
In a message dated 10/15/2009 2:39:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, altm...@meteorite-martin.de writes: Hi Dean, Simple minds like me need simple questions: 1 Ad per Week and person? - Yes - No - I don't care s difficult it isn't, is it? YES! ONE ad a week at most, any week, anyone. This site is supposed to be about exchanging information about meteorites, learning, and helping new people learn. Apparently you have all forgotten that if you want to post more ads, there is a mailing list specifically for that, as a reminder here it the address: . _meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:meteoritecollect...@yahoogroups.com) Please use it. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
Hi all, Those are AWESOME images!!! Reminds me of Peekskill a bit but sharper and more colorful. Regards, Eric Linton Rohr wrote: Awesome photos! Thanks Rob and Michael. I just forwarded this to a Dutch gentleman whom I just shipped a scope to. Linton - Original Message - From: "Rob Lenssen" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen Complete series of photographs: http://www.fotoarena.nl/ - Original Message - From: "Michael Groetz" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/meteorite_explodes_over_north.php Meteorite explodes over north Groningen Wednesday 14 October 2009 Hundreds of people report seeing a spectacular fireball or meteorite over the Netherlands in Tuesday's clear evening skies. The police emergency number, Dutch coastguard and KNMI weather bureau report dozens of phone calls about the meteorite, which was seen in Germany and Belgium. 'I was standing in front of my window when there was a bright flash of light and a white fireball in the sky fell apart into three smaller ones,' eyewitness Erik Alberts from Zuidbroek in Groningen province told Nos tv. 'Like fireworks. A few seconds later, perhaps half a minute, there was a low rumble and the windows shook.' Excellent Photographs: http://www.nu.nl/slideshow/1879465/popup.html# __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Atacama Desert Meteorites
http://www.meteorites.cl/ Rodrigo use to have an English version, but I can't seem to find it. I think there are some good Atacama adventures on one of Notkin's sites as well. --- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone & Ironworks Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:36 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Atacama Desert Meteorites Hi List, Does anyone know of a good link with information about meteorites found in the Atacama Desert of Chile? Something with photos, like an expedition article, would be perfect. A Facebook friend of mine is visiting the Atacama and I want to put a bug in his ear about meteorites so he can keep an eye out for them. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
1 Ad per Week and person? O - Yes O - No X - I don't care! And no, this will NOT lead to 1000 ads per day. Good grief. Linton - Original Message - From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule Hi Dean, Simple minds like me need simple questions: 1 Ad per Week and person? O - Yes O - No X - I don't care! s difficult it isn't, is it? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von dean bessey Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2009 22:28 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha= ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less = than your average. =20 Gary But that snot what the question for the referendum would be. The referendum question should read: SHOULD WE RIGIDLY STICK TO THE ONE A WEEK RULE NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, EVEN DURING SHOWS, WITH NEW IMPORTANT FALLS AND ANY OTHER POSSIBLE SCENARIO WHERE MORE THAN ONE AD A WEEK WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE LIST MEMBERS AT LARGE EVEN BY DEALERS WHO ALMOST NEVER OTHERWISE POST ADS __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
Awesome photos! Thanks Rob and Michael. I just forwarded this to a Dutch gentleman whom I just shipped a scope to. Linton - Original Message - From: "Rob Lenssen" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen Complete series of photographs: http://www.fotoarena.nl/ - Original Message - From: "Michael Groetz" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/meteorite_explodes_over_north.php Meteorite explodes over north Groningen Wednesday 14 October 2009 Hundreds of people report seeing a spectacular fireball or meteorite over the Netherlands in Tuesday's clear evening skies. The police emergency number, Dutch coastguard and KNMI weather bureau report dozens of phone calls about the meteorite, which was seen in Germany and Belgium. 'I was standing in front of my window when there was a bright flash of light and a white fireball in the sky fell apart into three smaller ones,' eyewitness Erik Alberts from Zuidbroek in Groningen province told Nos tv. 'Like fireworks. A few seconds later, perhaps half a minute, there was a low rumble and the windows shook.' Excellent Photographs: http://www.nu.nl/slideshow/1879465/popup.html# __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Atacama Desert Meteorites
Hi List, Does anyone know of a good link with information about meteorites found in the Atacama Desert of Chile? Something with photos, like an expedition article, would be perfect. A Facebook friend of mine is visiting the Atacama and I want to put a bug in his ear about meteorites so he can keep an eye out for them. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
>>Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha= ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less = than your average.<< I can't imagine that all 900 members will have a meteorite that they want to sell each and every other day. If there were and most produced sales, it would seem that business would be just booming and everyone would be happy. If sales were persistently low, I'd imagine it wouldn't take too long before the sellers get tired and pack up. Also if all 900 members posted every other day, I'd think some interesting material will come out of the wood work from time to time. Let them post...I know its annoying, but as long as the AD is in the subject line, I'm sure I'll have no trouble in finding the delete button. GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Hi Dean, Simple minds like me need simple questions: 1 Ad per Week and person? - Yes - No - I don't care s difficult it isn't, is it? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von dean bessey Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2009 22:28 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha= ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less = than your average. =20 Gary > But that snot what the question for the referendum would be. The referendum question should read: SHOULD WE RIGIDLY STICK TO THE ONE A WEEK RULE NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, EVEN DURING SHOWS, WITH NEW IMPORTANT FALLS AND ANY OTHER POSSIBLE SCENARIO WHERE MORE THAN ONE AD A WEEK WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE LIST MEMBERS AT LARGE EVEN BY DEALERS WHO ALMOST NEVER OTHERWISE POST ADS __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha= ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less = than your average. =20 Gary > But that snot what the question for the referendum would be. The referendum question should read: SHOULD WE RIGIDLY STICK TO THE ONE A WEEK RULE NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE, EVEN DURING SHOWS, WITH NEW IMPORTANT FALLS AND ANY OTHER POSSIBLE SCENARIO WHERE MORE THAN ONE AD A WEEK WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE LIST MEMBERS AT LARGE EVEN BY DEALERS WHO ALMOST NEVER OTHERWISE POST ADS __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Grimsby, Ontario bolide info
Well ain¹t that a hoot - I sent him the same images a couple of weeks ago. I even used the same background image! Peter Brown probably thinks we're a single person with multiple personalities or something. I'd say there's a potential return in the next data set at about 2.5 km altitude, but it is down in the noise and open to interpretation. Cheers, Marc Fries On 10/15/09 3:04 PM, "Darren Garrison" wrote: > To: , > > Subject: Grimsby, Ontario bolide info > From: "Matson, Robert D." > Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:16:08 -0700 > > Hi Darren, > > (Please feel free to forward to the list on my behalf.) > > At the beginning of the week I contacted Dr. Peter Brown at University > of Western > Ontario, letting him know that the Grimsby bolide terminal burst had > been captured > on NexRad Doppler radar images taken in Buffalo, New York. I created > several maps > of the radar returns at three different altitudes, showing that the > terminal burst > location is in perfect agreement with UWO's solution (triangulated from > seven > all-sky cameras). I shared this information with Dr. Tony Phillips at > SpaceWeather, > and he has provided links on his site to a couple of the radar images I > created: > > http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=12&month=10&year=2009 > > A wide-area map is here: > > http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/13oct09/Grimsby_5100m.jpg > > And a second map zoomed in on the terminal burst cloud is here: > > http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/13oct09/Grimsby_Zoom_5100m.jpg > > As the filenames suggest, the Doppler beam altitude at this location was > a little > over 5 km, and the area covered is roughly a mile wide by 2 miles long. > (There > were also colocated radar returns at 6.5 km and 3.7 km, though the > largest > returns were at 5.1 km.) Judging from where meteorites were found in > Park > Forest and Ash Creek (West), I would expect a number of meteorites to be > found > directly beneath the strongest radar returns, with sizes generally > increasing > as you move to the east-southeast. > > I have not yet seen any images of the purported golf-ball-sized > meteorite that > hit the SUV, nor do I know where this SUV was parked, so can't judge > whether > it's a legitimate possibility. > > --Rob > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darren > Garrison > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:33 AM > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Time to play "Hammer or Scammer" > > http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2127299 > > Grimsby meteorite found > Updated 32 mins ago > > > The Grimsby space rock has been found. > > A fragment of meteorite the size of a golf ball smashed in the > windshield of a Grimsby family's sport utility vehicle on Sept. 25, > according to a media release from the University of Western Ontario. > > Astronomers released a video Oct. 7 of a blinding meteor streaking > across the skies of Southern Ontario three weeks ago, estimating pieces > may have landed in Grimsby or West Lincoln. > > Meteorite hunters have been scouring the area ever since. > > A press conference to discuss the find is scheduled for Friday morning. > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Whiners, Dealers, Lurkers, & Info Junkies
Dear List, All this whining and complaining on both sides is pointless. Dealers aren't going anywhere, whiners and complainers will always be here, and the rest of the list will just have to deal with it... It's a simple fact. No regulation means no rules and this breeds disrespect and stupidity on all sides and the rest of the list members must put up with it or leave. Good meteorite information always filters through all the BS, and it's why most people are here. To learn about meteorites, to trade meteorites, and yes, to sell meteorites too. That's all good. Regards, Eric __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
> Dean, > Check the archives. As usual, you are flat out wrong. Art > made the rule, not four or five members. This is his > forum and his rules. Several members weighed in before the > decision was made. > Take Care, > Adam > Art made the rule after declaring that he dont care (Check the archaives) and 4 or 5 people bombarded the list with hundreds of anti ad postings making the list unbearable. But my real question is "What are you trying to acompolish by bombarding the other 1000 of us with multiple postings about the fact that you dont like lots of ads". We have no say in the matter wither we like it or not. Lets say that me the the other 1000 list members agree with you 100% and we want cottingham and big steve kicked off the list? What do you want us to do? Bombard Art with hundreds of complaints in the same way that these 4 or 5 people are bombarding the rest of us about the compalints about ads? You are complaining to the wrong people in your effort to stop all of these ad postings. The other 1000 of us have no say in the matter. This has been going on your years and years. We have had to put up with these hundreds of anti ad postings for years. Dont you think its time to give it a rest? If Art actually cared he would do something about it. These 4 or 5 people evidently care more than art does so dont try creating this holier than thou attitude in the name of art. Ad's arent the problem. These attack postings are the real problem (5 postings per as commenting on how bad the ad postings are dont seem like a sensible use of posting time. This has gone on for years. Its time to only email art in private if you dont like how the list is run. The other 1000 of us dont really want to be a part of this crap. Sincerely DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Dude you are one of the people who are clueless and YES a vote BY Everyone ON The Issue Once And For ALL would be great. I would even abide by a REAL vote. Michael Cottingham On Oct 15, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Gary Chase wrote: <9a50131a-6347-4726-bc50-ce7d9454e...@gilanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha= ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less = than your average. =20 Gary From: mikew...@gilanet.com To: deanbes...@yahoo.com Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 12:50:13 -0700 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule Hello=2C DITTO. Also the days when we had the MOST ads=2C were the most productive on the list. THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON METEORITES COINCIDED WITH THE MOST ADS. So a big part of this whole topic is BULLSHIT. If you really want to do it right for THE FIRST TIME -have a real vote. I HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST LONGER THAN 70% of the folks on this list. So if you want a true historical perspective maybe ask someone who's been here a lot longer than the critics... Michael Cottingham On Oct 15=2C 2009=2C at 12:13 PM=2C dean bessey wrote: about advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege=2C not a right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse. The consensus=2C at the time=2C was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week should be a rule. List members input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well.>=20 This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record as saying that he did not mind ads. What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge being a part of what is basically the best online meteorite forum and said "OK=2C one a week". Then=2C rather than shut up=2C these 4 or 5 people decide to declare themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was their own. Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored). Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in some governments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically ruining things for everybody. Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no ownership or control of this list? The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself. Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us. And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election). I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that. Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to your attacks anymore Sincerely DEAN __
[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 14, 2009
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES October 14, 2009 o USGS Dune Database Entry http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014426_2070 o Slope Streaks in Olympus Mons Aureole http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014394_2045 o Light-Toned Units along the Wallrock and Floor of Melas Region http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014339_1710 o Tyrrhena Terra Crater with Central Uplift and Hydrated Minerals http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014333_1715 o Gullies on South-Facing Slopes of Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014271_1480 o Disappearing Craters http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_014097_1120 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
<9a50131a-6347-4726-bc50-ce7d9454e...@gilanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Great Idea=2C have a real vote by all 900 members to see if they want to ha= ve an ad post by each and every member every other day which is still less = than your average. =20 Gary > From: mikew...@gilanet.com > To: deanbes...@yahoo.com > Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 12:50:13 -0700 > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule > > Hello=2C > > DITTO. Also the days when we had the MOST ads=2C were the most > productive on the list. THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON > METEORITES COINCIDED WITH THE MOST ADS. So a big part of this whole > topic is BULLSHIT. If you really want to do it right for THE FIRST > TIME -have a real vote. I HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST LONGER THAN 70% of > the folks on this list. So if you want a true historical perspective > maybe ask someone who's been here a lot longer than the critics... > > Michael Cottingham > On Oct 15=2C 2009=2C at 12:13 PM=2C dean bessey wrote: > about advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege=2C not a >> right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse. >> The consensus=2C at the time=2C was that way too many ads were being >> posted and that one-ad-per-week should be a rule. List members >> input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but >> the majority of other members as well.>=20 >>> >>> >> This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on >> record as saying that he did not mind ads. >> What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack >> Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from >> making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months >> of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically >> tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that >> they have the privelidge being a part of what is basically the best >> online meteorite forum and said "OK=2C one a week". >> Then=2C rather than shut up=2C these 4 or 5 people decide to declare >> themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and >> even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and >> munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue >> making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack >> arts list as if it was their own. >> Then after people started leaving the list because of all these >> attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because >> of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their >> hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored). >> Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been >> 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete >> button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike >> the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural >> property people in some governments but its an insignificant few). >> People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around >> that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically >> ruining things for everybody. >> Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other >> 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you >> to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont >> you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even >> if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to >> unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no >> ownership or control of this list? >> The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos. >> Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even >> need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself. >> Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If >> you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us. >> And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as >> what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is >> flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list >> owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as >> they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election). >> I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed >> to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of >> themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti >> ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. >> The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that. >> Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to >> your attacks anymore >> Sincerely >> DEAN >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> http://
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Hello, DITTO. Also the days when we had the MOST ads, were the most productive on the list. THE BEST TOPICS. THE BEST CONVERSTION ON METEORITES COINCIDED WITH THE MOST ADS. So a big part of this whole topic is BULLSHIT. If you really want to do it right for THE FIRST TIME -have a real vote. I HAVE BEEN ON THIS LIST LONGER THAN 70% of the folks on this list. So if you want a true historical perspective maybe ask someone who's been here a lot longer than the critics... Michael Cottingham On Oct 15, 2009, at 12:13 PM, dean bessey wrote: about advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse. The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week should be a rule. List members input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well.> This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record as saying that he did not mind ads. What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge being a part of what is basically the best online meteorite forum and said "OK, one a week". Then, rather than shut up, these 4 or 5 people decide to declare themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was their own. Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored). Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in some governments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically ruining things for everybody. Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no ownership or control of this list? The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself. Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us. And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election). I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that. Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to your attacks anymore Sincerely DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Grimsby, Ontario bolide info
To: , Subject: Grimsby, Ontario bolide info From: "Matson, Robert D." Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:16:08 -0700 Hi Darren, (Please feel free to forward to the list on my behalf.) At the beginning of the week I contacted Dr. Peter Brown at University of Western Ontario, letting him know that the Grimsby bolide terminal burst had been captured on NexRad Doppler radar images taken in Buffalo, New York. I created several maps of the radar returns at three different altitudes, showing that the terminal burst location is in perfect agreement with UWO's solution (triangulated from seven all-sky cameras). I shared this information with Dr. Tony Phillips at SpaceWeather, and he has provided links on his site to a couple of the radar images I created: http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=12&month=10&year=2009 A wide-area map is here: http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/13oct09/Grimsby_5100m.jpg And a second map zoomed in on the terminal burst cloud is here: http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/13oct09/Grimsby_Zoom_5100m.jpg As the filenames suggest, the Doppler beam altitude at this location was a little over 5 km, and the area covered is roughly a mile wide by 2 miles long. (There were also colocated radar returns at 6.5 km and 3.7 km, though the largest returns were at 5.1 km.) Judging from where meteorites were found in Park Forest and Ash Creek (West), I would expect a number of meteorites to be found directly beneath the strongest radar returns, with sizes generally increasing as you move to the east-southeast. I have not yet seen any images of the purported golf-ball-sized meteorite that hit the SUV, nor do I know where this SUV was parked, so can't judge whether it's a legitimate possibility. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:33 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Time to play "Hammer or Scammer" http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2127299 Grimsby meteorite found Updated 32 mins ago The Grimsby space rock has been found. A fragment of meteorite the size of a golf ball smashed in the windshield of a Grimsby family's sport utility vehicle on Sept. 25, according to a media release from the University of Western Ontario. Astronomers released a video Oct. 7 of a blinding meteor streaking across the skies of Southern Ontario three weeks ago, estimating pieces may have landed in Grimsby or West Lincoln. Meteorite hunters have been scouring the area ever since. A press conference to discuss the find is scheduled for Friday morning. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
<443142.99933...@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 You would not believe how many people emailed me directly in support of cal= ling out Cottingscam on his spamming of the list. =20 Just wait=2C a few have expressed support of my suggestion to posting "me t= oo" ads right after the scammer posts more than his one per week allotment. =20 If it is OK to ignore the one ad per week rule then why not other rules? =20 I like flame wars=2C I know it is against the rules but I guess under your = guidelines it would be OK to start one=2C right Dean? Rules were meant to= be broken=2C Right Dean? =20 This list is quickly decending into anarchy. =20 Gary > Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 12:13:11 -0700 > From: deanbes...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule >=20 > >> >> > This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record= as saying that he did not mind ads. > What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's= list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to m= any" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the l= ist with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the malcont= ents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge being a pa= rt of what is basically the best online meteorite forum and said "OK=2C one= a week".=20 > Then=2C rather than shut up=2C these 4 or 5 people decide to declare them= selves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even the mo= st minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was enough = to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of themselv= es and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was their own. > Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack po= stings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". (The= fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking effor= ts is conveniently ignored). > Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or= 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or b= lock sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that peopl= e are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in some g= overnments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of the bicke= ring. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 4 or 5 peo= ple that is basically ruining things for everybody. > Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of= us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand = that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather th= an the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that you= somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even tho= ugh you have no ownership or control of this list? > The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos. > Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need a= rts permission to leave. You can do it yourself. > Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you h= ave a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us. > And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what = the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out no= t the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the will o= f 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the afterma= t of an Iranian election). > I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to en= tertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of themselves b= y complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad attacks for ever= y one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 1000 of us are su= rely happy about that. > Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to your= attacks anymore > Sincerely > DEAN >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > =0A= _=0A= Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/= __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Grimsby, Ontario bolide info
Rob Matson asked me to forward this to the list -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 ~~ RE: Grimsby, Ontario bolide info Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:23 PM From: "Matson, Robert D." At the beginning of the week I contacted Dr. Peter Brown at University of Western Ontario, letting him know that the Grimsby bolide terminal burst had been captured on NexRad Doppler radar images taken in Buffalo, New York. I created several maps of the radar returns at three different altitudes, showing that the terminal burst location is in perfect agreement with UWO's solution (triangulated from seven all-sky cameras). I shared this information with Dr. Tony Phillips at SpaceWeather, and he has provided links on his site to a couple of the radar images I created: http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=12&month=10&year=2009 A wide-area map is here: http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/13oct09/Grimsby_5100m.jpg And a second map zoomed in on the terminal burst cloud is here: http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2009/13oct09/Grimsby_Zoom_5100m.jpg As the filenames suggest, the Doppler beam altitude at this location was a little over 5 km, and the area covered is roughly a mile wide by 2 miles long. (There were also colocated radar returns at 6.5 km and 3.7 km, though the largest returns were at 5.1 km.) Judging from where meteorites were found in Park Forest and Ash Creek (West), I would expect a number of meteorites to be found directly beneath the strongest radar returns, with sizes generally increasing as you move to the east-southeast. I have not yet seen any images of the purported golf-ball-sized meteorite that hit the SUV, nor do I know where this SUV was parked, so can't judge whether it's a legitimate possibility. --Rob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Dean, Check the archives. As usual, you are flat out wrong. Art made the rule, not four or five members. This is his forum and his rules. Several members weighed in before the decision was made. Take Care, Adam - Original Message From: dean bessey To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 12:13:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule > > This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record as saying that he did not mind ads. What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge being a part of what is basically the best online meteorite forum and said "OK, one a week". Then, rather than shut up, these 4 or 5 people decide to declare themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was their own. Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored). Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in some governments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically ruining things for everybody. Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no ownership or control of this list? The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself. Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us. And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election). I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that. Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to your attacks anymore Sincerely DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
> > This is flat out wrong. There never was any consensus. Art went on record as saying that he did not mind ads. What happened was that 4 or 5 people decided that they would hijack Art's list as if it was their own and decide to prevent people from making "to many" (Whatever that means) ads. After months and months of bombarding the list with anti ad attack postings Art basically tried to shut up the malcontents that dont appriciate the fact that they have the privelidge being a part of what is basically the best online meteorite forum and said "OK, one a week". Then, rather than shut up, these 4 or 5 people decide to declare themselves sherrif and kept going on with this anti ad campaign and even the most minor offence (Even during big shows like tucson and munich) was enough to make attack postings. They decided to continue making an ass of themselves and continue their efforts to hijack arts list as if it was their own. Then after people started leaving the list because of all these attack postings they had the gall to claim that "They left because of the ads". (The fact that people werent leaving before their hijacking and attacking efforts is conveniently ignored). Nobody leaves this list because of the ads (Well there may have been 2 or 3 people who left because they are to stupid to use the delete button or block sender button in their email settings and dislaike the fact that people are allowed to own meteorites like the cultural property people in some governments but its an insignificant few). People leave because of the bickering. Dont try and twist it around that its not because of those 4 or 5 people that is basically ruining things for everybody. Becides why are you 4 or 5 people constantly harrassing the other 1000 of us with your diatrabes? An iq of about six would enable you to understand that the only person who matters is art so why dont you email him rather than the rest of us who cant do anything even if we did buy the fact that you somehow have the right to unilaterally declare yourselves sherrif even though you have no ownership or control of this list? The answer of course is that Art has the smarts to ignore the whackos. Nobody is forcing anybody to be a part of this list. You dont even need arts permission to leave. You can do it yourself. Stop this assanine BS and let us talk meteorites and have sales. If you have a problem dont complain to the other 1000 of us. And the "Majority consensus" that you refer to is about the same as what the "Majority consensus" of an iranian election would be. It is flat out not the will of the majority of list members or the list owner but the will of 4 or 5 people who wants to run the list as they see fit (Like the aftermat of an Iranian election). I suspect that cottingshams lastest excessive postings are designed to entertain and see how big an ass that certain paople can make of themselves by complaining about them. Some people has posted 2 anti ad attacks for every one of cottingshams supposedly excessive ads. The other 1000 of us are surely happy about that. Go away. The consensus of the silent majority dont want to listen to your attacks anymore Sincerely DEAN __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
<4b9bdfe30bf8460fa255463eb8bd8...@eigenaarnjeqjy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Very nice!=A0 Did everyone make a wish? Greg S. > From: rlens...@planet.nl > To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 19:50:47 +0200 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen > > Complete series of photographs: http://www.fotoarena.nl/ > > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Groetz"=20 > To: "Meteorite List"=20 > Sent: Thursday=2C October 15=2C 2009 2:36 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen > > >> http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/meteorite_explodes_over_no= rth.php >> >> Meteorite explodes over north Groningen >> Wednesday 14 October 2009 >> >> Hundreds of people report seeing a spectacular fireball or meteorite >> over the Netherlands in Tuesday's clear evening skies. >> >> The police emergency number=2C Dutch coastguard and KNMI weather bureau >> report dozens of phone calls about the meteorite=2C which was seen in >> Germany and Belgium. >> >> 'I was standing in front of my window when there was a bright flash of >> light and a white fireball in the sky fell apart into three smaller >> ones=2C' eyewitness Erik Alberts from Zuidbroek in Groningen province >> told Nos tv. 'Like fireworks. A few seconds later=2C perhaps half a >> minute=2C there was a low rumble and the windows shook.' >> >> Excellent Photographs: >> >> http://www.nu.nl/slideshow/1879465/popup.html# >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list =0A= _=0A= Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/= __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
A well written advertisement only needs to be run once. Once a week would allow for the release of 52 different meteorites in a year! The point is that if everybody ran 20 ads a month X 12months X 900 members you would have over 216,000 extra posts a year. It is disprespectful not to honor Art's and the majority of the List member's wishes. List members voted for the one-ad-per-week rule and as the above formula suggests, a few bad apples post way too many advertisements. They are jeopardizing the other members' ability to advertise just once a week. Art could just say, "NO MORE ADS, PERIOD" like many forums have already done but thankfully he has an extremely long fuse. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: "ensorama...@ntlworld.com" To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, October 15, 2009 10:20:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule I think that the adverts add to the list and I would be disappointed if they were to disappear altogether...but too many would be a shame. Michael's email has however done exactly what he intended...I think? and drawn even more attention to his sales and many many more emails 'advertising his sales' than he might ever post!!!. Great marketing. Graham E UK Adam Hupe wrote: > Dear List, > > The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art about > advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art > was considering having no ads at all due to abuse. The consensus, at the > time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week > should be a rule. List members input was taken into account so this was > not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well. > > I know of several people who will not subscribe due to the number of ads, > some of which instead read the archives on a daily basis. Even then, > scrolling through hundreds of ads would drown out more useful information in > the archives which are permanent and cannot be deleted. An ads usefulness > disappears immediately, yet it is stuck for eternity in the archives. The > delete key will not help here. A lot of forums will not allow any > advertisements so we should feel lucky. > > Art would not have made the rule if he felt it was not important. Out of > respect for him and other members, I feel the rule should be honored or we > might all lose our advertising privileges due to a few members who cannot and > will not control themselves. > > Best Regards, > > Adam > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
Hello Rob, Richard, and List, => Complete series of photographs: http://www.fotoarena.nl/ Picture #3 looks almost exactly like the Peekskill multiple fireball did while fragmenting into several smaller pieces ! Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
Beautiful catch Rob! -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Rob Lenssen wrote: > From: Rob Lenssen > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen > To: "Meteorite List" > Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 10:50 AM > Complete series of photographs: http://www.fotoarena.nl/ > > > - Original Message - > From: "Michael Groetz" > To: "Meteorite List" > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:36 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north > Groningen > > > > http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/meteorite_explodes_over_north.php > > > > Meteorite explodes over north Groningen > > Wednesday 14 October 2009 > > > > Hundreds of people report seeing a spectacular > fireball or meteorite > > over the Netherlands in Tuesday's clear evening > skies. > > > > The police emergency number, Dutch coastguard and KNMI > weather bureau > > report dozens of phone calls about the meteorite, > which was seen in > > Germany and Belgium. > > > > 'I was standing in front of my window when there was a > bright flash of > > light and a white fireball in the sky fell apart into > three smaller > > ones,' eyewitness Erik Alberts from Zuidbroek in > Groningen province > > told Nos tv. 'Like fireworks. A few seconds later, > perhaps half a > > minute, there was a low rumble and the windows > shook.' > > > > Excellent Photographs: > > > > http://www.nu.nl/slideshow/1879465/popup.html# > > __ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
Complete series of photographs: http://www.fotoarena.nl/ - Original Message - From: "Michael Groetz" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/meteorite_explodes_over_north.php Meteorite explodes over north Groningen Wednesday 14 October 2009 Hundreds of people report seeing a spectacular fireball or meteorite over the Netherlands in Tuesday's clear evening skies. The police emergency number, Dutch coastguard and KNMI weather bureau report dozens of phone calls about the meteorite, which was seen in Germany and Belgium. 'I was standing in front of my window when there was a bright flash of light and a white fireball in the sky fell apart into three smaller ones,' eyewitness Erik Alberts from Zuidbroek in Groningen province told Nos tv. 'Like fireworks. A few seconds later, perhaps half a minute, there was a low rumble and the windows shook.' Excellent Photographs: http://www.nu.nl/slideshow/1879465/popup.html# __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
I think that the adverts add to the list and I would be disappointed if they were to disappear altogether...but too many would be a shame. Michael's email has however done exactly what he intended...I think? and drawn even more attention to his sales and many many more emails 'advertising his sales' than he might ever post!!!. Great marketing. Graham E UK Adam Hupe wrote: > Dear List, > > The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art about > advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art > was considering having no ads at all due to abuse. The consensus, at the > time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week > should be a rule. List members input was taken into account so this was > not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well. > > I know of several people who will not subscribe due to the number of ads, > some of which instead read the archives on a daily basis. Even then, > scrolling through hundreds of ads would drown out more useful information in > the archives which are permanent and cannot be deleted. An ads usefulness > disappears immediately, yet it is stuck for eternity in the archives. The > delete key will not help here. A lot of forums will not allow any > advertisements so we should feel lucky. > > Art would not have made the rule if he felt it was not important. Out of > respect for him and other members, I feel the rule should be honored or we > might all lose our advertising privileges due to a few members who cannot and > will not control themselves. > > Best Regards, > > Adam > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Time to play "Hammer or Scammer"
http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2127299 Grimsby meteorite found Updated 32 mins ago The Grimsby space rock has been found. A fragment of meteorite the size of a golf ball smashed in the windshield of a Grimsby family's sport utility vehicle on Sept. 25, according to a media release from the University of Western Ontario. Astronomers released a video Oct. 7 of a blinding meteor streaking across the skies of Southern Ontario three weeks ago, estimating pieces may have landed in Grimsby or West Lincoln. Meteorite hunters have been scouring the area ever since. A press conference to discuss the find is scheduled for Friday morning. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Plots About Meteorites
Just a few others That horribly bad made for TV movie this year "Meteor" The disaster movie of the same name from 1979 with a a lot of big name actors, including Sean Connery, Brian Keith, Natalie Wood, Karl Malden... Teenage Monster - Meteor Monster, 1957 The Internet Movie Database also lists a number of other "meteor" movies. theater and tv, most of them outside the US: http://www.imdb.com/find?s=all&q=meteor If you enter the search term "meteor threatens earth" you find 19 "best of" titles, some that are actually interesting and informative documentaries: http://www.imdb.com/keyword/meteor-threatens-earth/ -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Greg Stanley wrote: > From: Greg Stanley > Subject: [meteorite-list] Plots About Meteorites > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 9:26 AM > > List: > > This gave me an idea, and I think it would be fun: > > Let's have members start a list of TV shows or Movies where > the plot is related to meteorites, like the Gilligan's > Island episode. I used to watch that show every day in the > '70's and I don't remember it, and I think I would. > > I'll start with a few: > > "The Meteor Man" > "Creepshow" Stephen King > "Outer Limits" episode "The Inheritors" Two parts - This is > a fantastic Outer Limits > > Greg S. > > > > > _ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Plots About Meteorites
List: This gave me an idea, and I think it would be fun: Let's have members start a list of TV shows or Movies where the plot is related to meteorites, like the Gilligan's Island episode. I used to watch that show every day in the '70's and I don't remember it, and I think I would. I'll start with a few: "The Meteor Man" "Creepshow" Stephen King "Outer Limits" episode "The Inheritors" Two parts - This is a fantastic Outer Limits Greg S. _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor
Hi Richard, And hopefully it will be "Round Trip"! :-) "A Three Hour Tour..." sounds like a comfortable amount of time...unlike some of the 14-hour flights I have been on!! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: "Richard Kowalski" To: "meteorite list" ; "Greg Hupe" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor Greg, just make sure your travel agent does not book you on a three hour tour! -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Greg Hupe wrote: From: Greg Hupe Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor To: "Richard Kowalski" , "meteorite list" Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 4:57 AM Hi Richard, There are times I feel like Gilligan, the Professor and the Skipper. Sometimes all in one day, sometimes separately. I guess I better make that lead suit so I can slide right through the airport x-ray machines with a few stones and not get hassled!! ;-) On the other hand, I might get lead poisoning if I do not mix in enough protective aloe with the lead based make-up! On a side note: I won't be able to post any sales Ads for about two weeks because I will be at an undisclosed location! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Dear List, The fact seems to be forgotten that a consensus was taken by Art about advertising in his forum. Advertising is a privilege, not a right and Art was considering having no ads at all due to abuse. The consensus, at the time, was that way too many ads were being posted and that one-ad-per-week should be a rule. List members input was taken into account so this was not only Art's wishes but the majority of other members as well. I know of several people who will not subscribe due to the number of ads, some of which instead read the archives on a daily basis. Even then, scrolling through hundreds of ads would drown out more useful information in the archives which are permanent and cannot be deleted. An ads usefulness disappears immediately, yet it is stuck for eternity in the archives. The delete key will not help here. A lot of forums will not allow any advertisements so we should feel lucky. Art would not have made the rule if he felt it was not important. Out of respect for him and other members, I feel the rule should be honored or we might all lose our advertising privileges due to a few members who cannot and will not control themselves. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor
Greg, just make sure your travel agent does not book you on a three hour tour! -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 10/15/09, Greg Hupe wrote: > From: Greg Hupe > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor > To: "Richard Kowalski" , "meteorite list" > > Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 4:57 AM > Hi Richard, > > There are times I feel like Gilligan, the Professor and the > Skipper. Sometimes all in one day, sometimes separately. > > I guess I better make that lead suit so I can slide right > through the airport x-ray machines with a few stones and not > get hassled!! ;-) On the other hand, I might get lead > poisoning if I do not mix in enough protective aloe with the > lead based make-up! > > On a side note: I won't be able to post any sales Ads for > about two weeks because I will be at an undisclosed > location! > > Best regards, > Greg > > > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > NaturesVault (eBay) > gmh...@htn.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > > Click here for my current eBay auctions: > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wildfires and "Clovis Comat"
In "Holocene Start Impacts: EP Grondine: Rich Murray 2009.10.15" at http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2009-October/057362.html , Rich Murray wrote: "I'm glad to see a new consensus rapidly evolving re widespread Holocene Start impacts from myriad fragments of an 13 Ka BP ice comet." What consensus? Given that many paleoclimatologists, archaeologists, and Quaternary geologists are having extreme problems reproducing the results by Firestone, West, and others, it looks like the "Clovis Comet" is turning into fiasco like the Permian-Triassic extinction claims where Luanne Becker and scientists claimed to have found positive proof of a Permian--Triassic extraterrestrial impact only to have it all fall apart when other geologists, paleontologists, and paleopedologists tried to reproduced their results and critically examined their findings. A good example of this is a recent paper that discusses evidence related to the "Clovis Comet" hypothesis of Firestone, west, and others is: Marlon, J. R., P. J. Bartlein, M. K. Walsh, S. P. Harrison, K. J. Brown, M. E. Edwards, P. E. Higuera, M. J. Power, R. S. Anderson, C. Briles, A. Brunelle, C. Carcaillet, M. Daniels, F. S. Hu, M. Lavoiem, C. Longn, T. Minckley, P. J. H. Richard, A. C. Scott, D. S. Shafer, W. Tinners, C. E. Umbanhowar, Jr., and C. Whitlock, 2009, Wildfire responses to abrupt climate change in North America. Proceedinds of the National Academy of Sciences. vol. 106, no. 8, pp. 2519-2524. doi: 10.1073/pnas.0808212106 Abstract at: http://www.pnas.org/content/106/8/2519 The abstract in part states: "We also test the hypothesis that a comet impact initiated continental-scale wildfires at 12.9 ka; the data do not support this idea, nor are continent-wide fires indicated at any time during deglaciation." and "Biomass burning gradually increased from the glacial period to the beginning of the Younger Dryas. Although there are changes in biomass burning during the Younger Dryas, there is no systematic trend. There is a further increase in biomass burning after the Younger Dryas. Intervals of rapid climate change at 13.9, 13.2, and 11.7 ka are marked by large increases in fire activity." This paper concluded: "No continent-wide fire response is observed at the beginning of the Younger Dryas chronozone, the time of the hypothesized comet impact. The results provide no evidence of synchronous continent-wide biomass burning at any time during the LGIT." Note "LGIT" = last glacial–interglacial transition. It is quite clear from this paper that the alleged "consensus" on the "Clovis Comet" is quite imaginary. It looks like the validity of the Clovis Comet is far from settled as there are many papers, both pro and con, that are either in press or in preparation. Yours, Paul H. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
<000d01ca4d98$ad444260$07b22...@name86d88d87e2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Martin and List... =20 You have a good point Martin=2C it is all about respect for other list memb= ers. Every dealer bends the rules a little but 10 ads in 14 days? That is= just in your face spamming and disregard for the rules. Everybody knows h= e has an ebay store by now unless they have been living under a rock=2C so = what is so hard to just check it daily for those interested and make a 50% = offer off of his inflated asking prices? =20 Matin also has a good point on how this list would die if every dealer post= ed 10 ads in 14 days. So I will throw down a challenge to all dealers on t= he list: =20 Post an ad of your own every time Cottingham violates the rules. This will= =20 force the issue. Either the rule will be enforced or it will be officially= eliminated. =20 Also=2C to those of you who sent me private emails in support of my complai= ning about the Nigerian spammer on this list=2C you can participate too. = Since you are not dealers=2C just post an ad reminding everyone of other me= teorites that may be for sale on ebay that are not your own. This is kind = of like supporting your favorite dealer. =20 Gary =20 > From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de > To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thu=2C 15 Oct 2009 15:08:13 +0200 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule >=20 > Hi Jason=2C list=2C >=20 > I found out=2C that Art=2C the administrator IS Steve Arnold=2C Chicago > and that he has running a bet with Cottingham=2C whether Michael can crea= te > more than hundred repetitions of the name "Cottingham" in the title of > list-mails=2C reacting on his excessive advertising. >=20 > Jason & newbies. Cottingham is not the only dealer on the planet=2C who h= as a > large stock of meteorites for sale. There are several with similar amount= s > of material and interesting meteorites. > How many members has the list? 1000? Many of them collectors=2C who want = to > sell or swap here and there pieces too. >=20 > Note that all professional major dealers use this list for solely > advertising: Novelties=2C rare types=2C pieces with exceptional character= istics=2C > rare historical specimens=2C "hot" deals below market price. >=20 > Could you imagine=2C how it would end=2C if all of them would advertise l= ike a > Cottingham=2C if they would advertise their bulk=2C if all of them would > obtrusively advertise each single piece with ads so long until it is sold > like Chicago-Steve is doing it? >=20 > We would have more than a thousand ads a week. >=20 > I guess many=2C if not most members appreciate the list as a source of > information (to a certain degree ads belong into that category) and > inspiration and enjoy the discussions. >=20 > I really doubt=2C that anyone of them would be in the mood to rummage dai= ly > through hundred ads=2C to find the sparsely scattered posts with some mor= e > witty contents. Neither do have all the time to do that=2C nor is an offe= red > meteorite to the same extend interesting for all meteorite people. > It would be like the annoying occupation to search through the hundreds o= f > Campos=2C fake Nantans=2C mainstream material on ebay=2C to find the two = or three > auctions a week=2C which fit in ones focus=2C budget ect. >=20 > It would be the end of this list. Full stop. >=20 > The newer members maybe don't understand=2C that this vintage-mailing-lis= t > isn't a forum where e.g. ads are sorted in an own board=2C so that they c= an be > ignored by those=2C not interested in. And that this form of conversation= is > based on a different etiquette=2C than fast communication forms like a > chat-room. >=20 > So keeping in mind=2C that here on the list are enrolled quite all of the > largest dealers=2C the most successful hunters of the planet and a good s= hare > of the collectors of the world=2C > Jason=2C then I have to say=2C the discipline to obey to the 1-Ad-per-wee= k-rule > is remarkable and the rule works well. >=20 > Everyone connives at an offerer=2C if he's somewhat excited and breaks th= e > rule=2C as long it remains an isolated case. >=20 > And if you look back=2C with all those many people here having meteorites= for > sale=2C > in fact only two persons suffer from incontinence and nocturia. >=20 >=20 > and here I see the problem=2C that new members see that the recklessn= ess > of two members (out of 1000) isn't sanctioned=2C so that they could feel > invited to act in the same manner. >=20 > I think=2C they won't sell more=2C if they advertise several times per we= ek. > Decisive for a purchase are for a collector the properties and the qualit= ies > of the offered specimen=2C the price - and often enough his opinion on th= e > seller too. I could imagine=2C that for some collectors it could be even > deterrent=2C to think about purchasin
Re: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule
Hi Jason, list, I found out, that Art, the administrator IS Steve Arnold, Chicago and that he has running a bet with Cottingham, whether Michael can create more than hundred repetitions of the name "Cottingham" in the title of list-mails, reacting on his excessive advertising. Jason & newbies. Cottingham is not the only dealer on the planet, who has a large stock of meteorites for sale. There are several with similar amounts of material and interesting meteorites. How many members has the list? 1000? Many of them collectors, who want to sell or swap here and there pieces too. Note that all professional major dealers use this list for solely advertising: Novelties, rare types, pieces with exceptional characteristics, rare historical specimens, "hot" deals below market price. Could you imagine, how it would end, if all of them would advertise like a Cottingham, if they would advertise their bulk, if all of them would obtrusively advertise each single piece with ads so long until it is sold like Chicago-Steve is doing it? We would have more than a thousand ads a week. I guess many, if not most members appreciate the list as a source of information (to a certain degree ads belong into that category) and inspiration and enjoy the discussions. I really doubt, that anyone of them would be in the mood to rummage daily through hundred ads, to find the sparsely scattered posts with some more witty contents. Neither do have all the time to do that, nor is an offered meteorite to the same extend interesting for all meteorite people. It would be like the annoying occupation to search through the hundreds of Campos, fake Nantans, mainstream material on ebay, to find the two or three auctions a week, which fit in ones focus, budget ect. It would be the end of this list. Full stop. The newer members maybe don't understand, that this vintage-mailing-list isn't a forum where e.g. ads are sorted in an own board, so that they can be ignored by those, not interested in. And that this form of conversation is based on a different etiquette, than fast communication forms like a chat-room. So keeping in mind, that here on the list are enrolled quite all of the largest dealers, the most successful hunters of the planet and a good share of the collectors of the world, Jason, then I have to say, the discipline to obey to the 1-Ad-per-week-rule is remarkable and the rule works well. Everyone connives at an offerer, if he's somewhat excited and breaks the rule, as long it remains an isolated case. And if you look back, with all those many people here having meteorites for sale, in fact only two persons suffer from incontinence and nocturia. and here I see the problem, that new members see that the recklessness of two members (out of 1000) isn't sanctioned, so that they could feel invited to act in the same manner. I think, they won't sell more, if they advertise several times per week. Decisive for a purchase are for a collector the properties and the qualities of the offered specimen, the price - and often enough his opinion on the seller too. I could imagine, that for some collectors it could be even deterrent, to think about purchasing from a person, who present himself in public so impolite, reckless and egomaniac. Well, my thoughts only, open the list for unrestricted spamming and you will loose half of the members. (and then it won't be attractive anymore to advertise here...) You'll see. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason Utas Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Oktober 2009 05:18 An: Meteorite-list Betreff: [meteorite-list] (No More) One-Ad Per Week Rule Hola All, The rule was only good so long as dealers upheld it. It was originally put in place to limit Steve Arnold's (Chicago) postings, but it failed. Other dealers seemed happy enough to go along with it on their own out of, for lack of a better word, courtesy to other list members, who generally agreed that it was a good thing to do (at the time). It seems apparent now that most list members have no problem with dealers posting to the list as often as they wish, so it would appear as though the rule is no longer being advocated by either dealers or common list-users/readers. Thus the rule is, I would say, now null and void. For better or worse, so be it. But if you can't enforce it, and people won't follow it, it doesn't make much of a rule. And if a select few choose to go against it, it kind of screws over the other dealers who still abide by it, so I say to hell with it. We'll see what happens to the list...this could be interesting. Oh - and I'll have some ebay auctions up later tonight for those of you who may be interested - hopefully within the next hour, but it may take two to finish it all up. Regards, Jason __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Mete
[meteorite-list] Meteorite triggers panic calls to police
http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/10/13/ufo-scare-northern-germany/shooting-star-meteorite-creates-panic.html UFO scare in Germany as shooting star appears in sky Panic broke out in northern Germany after hundreds of frightened residents called police over what they thought was a UFO. What appears to have actually been a meteorite created a flood of calls to police and fire departments on Tuesday evening from worried people. Officials in Bremen, Hamburg, North Rhine-Westphalia and Lower Saxony received calls from concerned citizens about a “burning ball” and “bright object in the sky.” “All of a sudden there was a ball-of-light in the sky, definitely bigger than a shooting star,” said Christian Pokropp (30) to BILD.de. The man was jogging along the river Elbe in Hamburg and saw the "shining ball" at 6:50pm. “The people along the river watched the spectacle as if magnetized,” said Pokropp. “It lasted about six seconds before the object broke into four parts and looked like a small fireball, which began to dim. For minutes you could make out streaks of smoke in the sky.” After several calls, the police department in Bremen alerted aviation authorities and dispatched a patrol car. A spokesperson for the Bremen Police Department, Dirk Siemering, told BILD.de: “It remains mysterious.” According to Siemering, callers saw the ball “crumble apart and fall to the ground.” Others eye-witnesses reported a big explosion. After an emergency call in Neubrandenburg, police controlled the area around Waren. “We first checked to see if any gas tanks or natural gas was burning somewhere,” explained another spokesperson. A driver reported seeing “something burning green about 10 kilometers away” while driving on Bundesstrasse 192 between Neubrandenburg and Waren. According to “Express” one witness posted on an Internet forum: “This evening I saw a weird green glowing ball with a fiery tail falling through sky in Dortmund between the train station and U-Turm. "Somehow it dissolved in the sky. First I thought it was a rocket, but its trajectory was too weird.” Hobby astronomer Werner Walter, who runs a UFO research network called CENAP in Mannheim, fielded calls and reports until the late night from witnesses in Brandenburg, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, Hamburg and North Rhine-Westphalia. According to Walter's reports, eye-witnesses described a “white-green glowing ball” with a tail that raced downwards “silently for several seconds”. But what did people actually see in the sky? Walter assumes that the phenomenon was a shooting star which fell into the earth’s atmosphere and disintegrated. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite explodes over north Groningen
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/10/meteorite_explodes_over_north.php Meteorite explodes over north Groningen Wednesday 14 October 2009 Hundreds of people report seeing a spectacular fireball or meteorite over the Netherlands in Tuesday's clear evening skies. The police emergency number, Dutch coastguard and KNMI weather bureau report dozens of phone calls about the meteorite, which was seen in Germany and Belgium. 'I was standing in front of my window when there was a bright flash of light and a white fireball in the sky fell apart into three smaller ones,' eyewitness Erik Alberts from Zuidbroek in Groningen province told Nos tv. 'Like fireworks. A few seconds later, perhaps half a minute, there was a low rumble and the windows shook.' Excellent Photographs: http://www.nu.nl/slideshow/1879465/popup.html# __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor
Hi Richard, There are times I feel like Gilligan, the Professor and the Skipper. Sometimes all in one day, sometimes separately. I guess I better make that lead suit so I can slide right through the airport x-ray machines with a few stones and not get hassled!! ;-) On the other hand, I might get lead poisoning if I do not mix in enough protective aloe with the lead based make-up! On a side note: I won't be able to post any sales Ads for about two weeks because I will be at an undisclosed location! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: "Richard Kowalski" To: "meteorite list" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 4:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor Strange though that I've yet to see a photo of Mike Farmer, Greg Hupe' & Robert Ward out in the field coated in lead! :) Now before anyone misunderstands or misinterprets this comment, I am in >>no way<< suggesting any of them resemble, even remotely, any of these characters! Richard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ebay ending tomorrow. Very low prices. AD
Hi I think I never seen so low prices the day before one of my auction ends. quick link here: http://shop.ebay.com/smfmeteorites/m.html?_nkw Some extremely rare meteorites this time, only one available so this is your only chance (at least from me): Hinojal, Chajari, Palca de Aparzo, Nogoya, Cuenca del Tiburon, Cat Mountain. Last month there was a discussion about Kem Kem. One of the specimens in the auction is Kem Kem 15. Michael Casper realized that this one was different than other Kem Kem and put a different name on it. Less than 30 Kem Kem meteorites were labelled with a number and most of them are gone, so if you want have a specimen go ahead and bid, is a 47g specimen cut by half so ready to be studied and is still at $0.99!. One more hint to make a good buy here. One of the auctions that did not start at $0.99 was mistakenly priced, next time will be 50% more expensive. I will not say which one. Just find the bargain and get it. If you just want to see the photos, go ahead, and if you want to bid on any of them great!. Eduardo IMCA 0645 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor
> Strange though that I've yet to see a photo of Mike Farmer, > Greg Hupe' & Robert Ward out in the field coated in > lead! > > :) > > Now before anyone misunderstands or misinterprets this comment, I am in >>no way<< suggesting any of them resemble, even remotely, any of these characters! Richard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Gilligan's Island - Meet the Meteor
A while ago some friends & I had a discussion about how meteor(ite)s are portrayed on TV and in the movies. It sparked a memory about the meteorite that fell on Gilligan's Island. (If you aren't familiar with the program, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilligan%27s_Island) Recently I got the DVD from Netflix that contained the episode and grabbed a few frames from the key points in the show and thought I'd share them with the list. For those who have forgotten the plot of "Meet the Meteor", (How could anyone forget such a classic?) I'll write some reminders to go along with the images. After Gilligan spotted the falling fireball, he and the Skipper went to investigate and found the glowing, perfectly spherical object in a nice, small crater. http://www.fullmoonphotography.net/images/Meteorites/GI/fall.jpg The Professor built a crude Geiger counter to check the meteorite for radiation. He found "none", but determined that the meteorite was giving off Cosmic Rays, so they refined lead ore (where they would find that on a coral atoll is beyond me), and coated their clothes in lead, made lead based make-up to protect their skin and a screen to shield themselves from the Cosmic Rays, all of which apparently worked as expected. (Could the Professor do anything less?) http://www.fullmoonphotography.net/images/Meteorites/GI/lead_protection.jpg As they left, Gilligan trips over a sapling. Only a minute later they hear something strange. On their return they find the screen has turned to saw dust and the sapling is now a fully grown tree, as can be seen to the right of the frame. http://www.fullmoonphotography.net/images/Meteorites/GI/accel.jpg The Professor determines they need to blow up the meteorite to save everyone's life. Gilligan has a dream about them all aging while they await the next lightning storm, only to be awaken by said storm. He runs with the lightning rod the Professor created, trips, but it ends up being stuck in the meteorite, which then attracts lightning bolts, which eventually cause the meteorite to explode into nothingness, again as expected. http://www.fullmoonphotography.net/images/Meteorites/GI/lightning.jpg I guess one could say this episode is just about as realistic as any other show or movie about meteor(ite)s... Strange though that I've yet to see a photo of Mike Farmer, Greg Hupe' & Robert Ward out in the field coated in lead! :) -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dry Lakes in Australia
>> For this reason I doubt that people go out specifically looking for >> Meteorites as it would cost a lot for zero reward. Yep, a classic case of another country not thinking through it's meteorite collecting laws, you ban exports/free trade and strangely enough all the new finds dry up, (while the rocks rust away). There's a lesson there somewhere. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Whymark Sent: 15 October 2009 07:48 To: Greg Stanley; meteorite list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dry Lakes in Australia Hi Greg They certainly look for Australite Tektites on the dry lakes in WA. Australites can be picked up, kept, sold, sold abroad. You can't touch the Meteorites in Australia though. If you find one then report it to the Museum. For this reason I doubt that people go out specifically looking for Meteorites as it would cost a lot for zero reward. Regards, Aubrey Whymark www.tektites.co.uk --- On Wed, 14/10/09, Greg Stanley wrote: > From: Greg Stanley > Subject: [meteorite-list] Dry Lakes in Australia > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, 14 October, 2009, 10:41 PM > > List: > > The company I work for is doing a project in Australia and > I'm coordinating the placement of some of our instruments. > As I looked at the map in GoogleEarth, I notice (what looks > like dry lakes) throughout the country; does anyone look for > meteorites on dry lakes in Australia? > > Greg S. > > > > > _ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM > protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd’s computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd, Sompting, Lancing, W Sussex BN15 0DP. Company No 1800317 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MC'S adds (AD)
Hi list, if it wasn't for MC's adds I would have missed out on a bargain that came up on ebay today. MC doesn't force me to read his adds and neither does he force me to buy the items I consider to be too expensive. We all have the choice to ignore his postings and for those who hate them so much that they delete them without checking out what's behind it, MS Outlook and Outlook Express can be set up in a way that they don't show up on the list any more and will be deleted automatically. I fully agree with Richard Kowalski, if Michael's adds should become a nuisance I will ignore them and if they become a pest, I will do what I wrote above. But I have no problem with the way it is at the moment and if other dealers are thinking about stretching the limit a bit further, that's fine with me too. My average annual budget set aside for meteorites is around the $10,000 mark. It's up to the individual dealer to find the right way to take that money home. Cheers Werner Schroer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
