Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates andLegitimacy-Someone help me understand this.
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Chris is right guys!=A0 We should only care about what effects us personall= y inside our little bubble.=A0 I should use that reasoning in my life!=A0 W= hen I find a new meteorite I won't bother to get it classified because I wi= ll have my "sample" to show my friends. Tough love for those guys who would= love to see the new classification or find some themselves.=A0 I don't get= to hide behind "It's for the good of science!" like Farmer and used on new= AZ fall or Chris has with "coords shouldn't prevent classifications."=20 It's extremely nice to get my "fix" by finding meteorites in existing field= s between hunting for cold finds. Also=2C=A0 if it wasn't for the coordinates of the Franconia and Gold Basin= strewn fields here in Arizona then they wouldn't have been hit so hard wit= h metal detectors. If they hadn't been hit so hard with detectors=2C many s= eparate falls would not have been discovered.=A0 For example: King Tut=2C P= alo Verde Mine=2C Buck Mountain 001 through 003=2C Sacramento Wash 001 thro= ugh 005.=A0 Sacramento Wash=2C being chondritic iron=2C would never have be= en pushed to classification and you wouldn't have your "sample" to work on.= =A0 I do not even want to get started on pairing pieces to falls 'Comrades!' he cried. 'You do not imagine=2C I hope=2C that we pigs are doing this in a spirit of selfishness and privilege? Many of us actually dislike milk and apples. I dislike them myself. Our sole object in= taking these things is to preserve our health. Milk and apples (this has = been proved by Science=2C comrades) contain substances absolutely necessary= to the well-being of a pig. We pigs are brainworkers. The whole manageme= nt and organisation of this farm depend on us. Day and night we are watchi= ng over your welfare. It is for your sake that we drink the milk and eat t= hose apples. Do you know what would happen if we pigs failed in our duty? Jones would come back! Yes=2C Jones would come back! Surely=2C comrades=2C' cried Squealer almost pleadingly=2C skipping from side to side and whisking his tail=2C 'surely there is no one among you who wants to see Jones come back?' Who among you wants to see the media circus come back?!! [Erik] > From: c...@alumni.caltech.edu > To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tue=2C 27 Oct 2009 20:28:03 -0600 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall CoordinatesandLegitimacy-= Someone help me understand this. >=20 >>If one doesn't have the coordinates of one or more >>stones of an interesting or important stone=2C >>one doesn't know=2C where to look for more. >=20 > Of course. And I recognize the importance of that to meteorite collectors= =2C=20 > hunters=2C and dealers. But as a scientist=2C I mainly want a few grams=20 > accessible for analysis. The rest simply doesn't matter- scientifically. >=20 >>And with the coordinates of the fragments=2C you can >>map the strewnfield=2C determine the strewn-ellipse >>and from there you can deduct the trajectory of >>the meteorid and fragmentation events. >=20 > I have serious doubts that this is practical. The paper is interesting=2C= but=20 > I question its conclusions. A strewn field is not very closely related to= a=20 > meteor trajectory in most cases. This paper presents a model with no=20 > observational confirmation. And it utilizes a strewn field that stretches= =20 > over kilometers. It is rare enough for coordinates to be withheld=2C and = even=20 > rarer=2C I expect=2C when dozens of meteorites are recovered over large f= ields. >=20 > To put it more empirically=2C I have been reading MAPS and other journals= with=20 > meteoritical papers for years. I've seen hundreds or thousands of article= s=20 > comparing meteorite mineralogy=2C formation theory=2C asteroid associatio= n=2C etc=2C=20 > but not more than a dozen or so papers detailing the orbit=2C flight=20 > characteristics=2C and strewn field of meteorites- despite the fact that = most=20 > meteorites have well described coordinates and many have well mapped stre= wn=20 > fields. I honestly don't see the very small number of undisclosed locatio= ns=20 > having any significant impact on the science of meteoritics at all. >=20 > Of course=2C I'm not arguing against disclosing locations=2C only that fa= iling=20 > to disclose the location should not prevent a meteorite from being named = and=20 > classified. That would be far more damaging to science. >=20 > Chris >=20 > * > Chris L Peterson > Cloudbait Observatory > http://www.cloudbait.com >=20 >=20 > - Original Message -=20 > From: "Martin Altmann" > To: > Sent: Tuesday=2C October 27=2C 2009 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates=20 > andLegitimacy-Someone help me understand this. >=20 >=20 >>I recognize that there are rare cases where knowing the exa
Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
Hello Listees, Unfortunately there's been some trouble with uncool links on the Meteorite Wiki. I'd like to apologize to everyone about the "bad links" on the site. Someone decided to be a jerk and post a bunch of not so cool links. I thought I had removed all the bad links from the site. Sorry guys... I guess it's something you have to deal with with an open community information site. If ANYONE sees anything questionable on the site, please send me the link to the page and I'll edit it accordingly. Just a warning to all the would be "bad link" posters, Don't even think about it! I will report anyone defacing the site under the Can-Spam act and you will answer to the law, this is NOT a threat, do NOT try me on this! This is my only warning to anyone who would try it. It will not be tolerated. Again, I apologize for any offense this may have inadvertently caused due to missing a few bad links in the edit. Those of you who would like to come on board to help with the Meteorite Wiki I welcome you to contact me. I may have to pick out a few trusted moderators to help moderate the site as well. Thanks for all your input, and enjoy the site. The Meteorite Wiki: www.meteoritewiki.com Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates andLegitimacy-Someone help me understand this.
If one doesn't have the coordinates of one or more stones of an interesting or important stone, one doesn't know, where to look for more. Of course. And I recognize the importance of that to meteorite collectors, hunters, and dealers. But as a scientist, I mainly want a few grams accessible for analysis. The rest simply doesn't matter- scientifically. And with the coordinates of the fragments, you can map the strewnfield, determine the strewn-ellipse and from there you can deduct the trajectory of the meteorid and fragmentation events. I have serious doubts that this is practical. The paper is interesting, but I question its conclusions. A strewn field is not very closely related to a meteor trajectory in most cases. This paper presents a model with no observational confirmation. And it utilizes a strewn field that stretches over kilometers. It is rare enough for coordinates to be withheld, and even rarer, I expect, when dozens of meteorites are recovered over large fields. To put it more empirically, I have been reading MAPS and other journals with meteoritical papers for years. I've seen hundreds or thousands of articles comparing meteorite mineralogy, formation theory, asteroid association, etc, but not more than a dozen or so papers detailing the orbit, flight characteristics, and strewn field of meteorites- despite the fact that most meteorites have well described coordinates and many have well mapped strewn fields. I honestly don't see the very small number of undisclosed locations having any significant impact on the science of meteoritics at all. Of course, I'm not arguing against disclosing locations, only that failing to disclose the location should not prevent a meteorite from being named and classified. That would be far more damaging to science. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: "Martin Altmann" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates andLegitimacy-Someone help me understand this. I recognize that there are rare cases where knowing the exact coordinates of a meteorite are essential I would say rather the opposite - as we all know, many if not most meteorites break up before they hit the ground. If one doesn't have the coordinates of one or more stones of an interesting or important stone, one doesn't know, where to look for more. If you look e.g. into the pairing groups of the lunar and Martian meteorites with known coordinates, like e.g. those from Libya or Oman, you'll see that there are often several years, where additional pieces were found (also from different people). And with the coordinates of the fragments, you can map the strewnfield, determine the strewn-ellipse and from there you can deduct the trajectory of the meteorid and fragmentation events. (but not with meteortites found on the icefields, cause they were transported). Like e.g. the Verdandsky did with SaU 001 http://www.meteorites.ru/menu/publication-e/omandojd-e.pdf or the Oman-Suisse-team is doing with other finds in Oman. And for those researchers interested in weathering processes of meteorites, it is important to know the geological formation, the soil ect. of the find site. Best! Martin __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and Legitimacy-Someone help me understand this.
>I recognize that there are rare cases where knowing the exact coordinates >of a meteorite are essential I would say rather the opposite - as we all know, many if not most meteorites break up before they hit the ground. If one doesn't have the coordinates of one or more stones of an interesting or important stone, one doesn't know, where to look for more. If you look e.g. into the pairing groups of the lunar and Martian meteorites with known coordinates, like e.g. those from Libya or Oman, you'll see that there are often several years, where additional pieces were found (also from different people). And with the coordinates of the fragments, you can map the strewnfield, determine the strewn-ellipse and from there you can deduct the trajectory of the meteorid and fragmentation events. (but not with meteortites found on the icefields, cause they were transported). Like e.g. the Verdandsky did with SaU 001 http://www.meteorites.ru/menu/publication-e/omandojd-e.pdf or the Oman-Suisse-team is doing with other finds in Oman. And for those researchers interested in weathering processes of meteorites, it is important to know the geological formation, the soil ect. of the find site. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Chris Peterson Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2009 01:04 An: Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and Legitimacy-Someone help me understand this. My perspective, as someone who neither collects nor hunts meteorites, is that it doesn't much matter. All meteorites come from the same place: space. And where they actually land rarely matters from a scientific standpoint, beyond perhaps the general region (which seems always present in the database). If the nomenclature committee were to have a policy of not accepting meteorites with deliberately undisclosed locations, should they also refuse to accept specimens with unknown locations? Scientifically, there is no difference. I'm all for maximizing the information available, but I wouldn't refuse to make "official" specimens that are missing information, whether deliberately withheld or not. That would be scientifically counterproductive. (I certainly understand why someone owning property where a meteorite is found would wish to keep the location vague- either a region or lat/long to a degree or so of precision.) Of course, I recognize that there are rare cases where knowing the exact coordinates of a meteorite are essential- for instance, in the kind of work I do, modeling falls from orbit to fireball to the ground. But such research represents only a tiny fraction of the science devoted to meteorites. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:32 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and Legitimacy -Someone help me understand this. > Hi List, > > Recently I was doing some research on various meteorites for an > article I am writing, and I noticed a few entries in the Met Bulletin > database that give all of the details about a meteorite, but then says > that the actual find coordinates are secret or being withheld. > > Ok, I understand the motivations behind keeping a location secret. > These motives have been discussed on the List previously, as recently > as the new fall in Arizona that Dr. Schrader found - which > subsequently set off a flurry of espionage and intrigues to find the > fall which Dr. Jack was keeping secret. Granted. I can understand > the value of not having 200 amateurs running rough-shod over a new > strewnfield before it is properly documented. But, once the > strewnfield is mapped, and the team(s) working the field have packed > up and left with their specimens, what is the motivation for keeping > the exact location a secret? If the fall is known to science and > available to science (meaning, it has been classified and samples are > available for study), then why should the location be kept secret? Is > it financial reasons, so the original finders can come back on > subsequents trips and deplete the strewnfield for their own > inventories? Or, is it because the location is on someone's private > property and the owner has requested that the exact location be kept > secret to prevent a flood of trespassers? If the latter, then how > does this explain the secret coordinates of the NWA desert finds - > some of which are ordinary chondrites out in the open desert that were > catalogued over 10 years ago. Why are these still being withheld? > > It seems to me, that science (and institutions) should not recognize > meteorites whose find/fall locations are being kept secret > intentionally without good explanation - doing
Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and Legitimacy -Someone help me understand this.
My perspective, as someone who neither collects nor hunts meteorites, is that it doesn't much matter. All meteorites come from the same place: space. And where they actually land rarely matters from a scientific standpoint, beyond perhaps the general region (which seems always present in the database). If the nomenclature committee were to have a policy of not accepting meteorites with deliberately undisclosed locations, should they also refuse to accept specimens with unknown locations? Scientifically, there is no difference. I'm all for maximizing the information available, but I wouldn't refuse to make "official" specimens that are missing information, whether deliberately withheld or not. That would be scientifically counterproductive. (I certainly understand why someone owning property where a meteorite is found would wish to keep the location vague- either a region or lat/long to a degree or so of precision.) Of course, I recognize that there are rare cases where knowing the exact coordinates of a meteorite are essential- for instance, in the kind of work I do, modeling falls from orbit to fireball to the ground. But such research represents only a tiny fraction of the science devoted to meteorites. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:32 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and Legitimacy -Someone help me understand this. Hi List, Recently I was doing some research on various meteorites for an article I am writing, and I noticed a few entries in the Met Bulletin database that give all of the details about a meteorite, but then says that the actual find coordinates are secret or being withheld. Ok, I understand the motivations behind keeping a location secret. These motives have been discussed on the List previously, as recently as the new fall in Arizona that Dr. Schrader found - which subsequently set off a flurry of espionage and intrigues to find the fall which Dr. Jack was keeping secret. Granted. I can understand the value of not having 200 amateurs running rough-shod over a new strewnfield before it is properly documented. But, once the strewnfield is mapped, and the team(s) working the field have packed up and left with their specimens, what is the motivation for keeping the exact location a secret? If the fall is known to science and available to science (meaning, it has been classified and samples are available for study), then why should the location be kept secret? Is it financial reasons, so the original finders can come back on subsequents trips and deplete the strewnfield for their own inventories? Or, is it because the location is on someone's private property and the owner has requested that the exact location be kept secret to prevent a flood of trespassers? If the latter, then how does this explain the secret coordinates of the NWA desert finds - some of which are ordinary chondrites out in the open desert that were catalogued over 10 years ago. Why are these still being withheld? It seems to me, that science (and institutions) should not recognize meteorites whose find/fall locations are being kept secret intentionally without good explanation - doing so would encourage profiteering and damage the availability of specimens for scientific study and private collectors. If finders wanted to have their falls officially classified (and reap the benefits of legitimacy that comes from recognition and inclusion in meteorite catalogues), then they should have to divulge the coordinates of their finds. Wouldn't that take away some of the incentive to keep these locations secret where the only motivation to do so is personal profit? I don't want to strike a nerve here or touch off a big debate, I just want someone to explain to me the reasoning behind anonymous find locations (not because the location is unknown, but because it is being withheld) being accepted into the Meteoritical Society database? Best regards, MikeG __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and Legitimacy - Someone help me understand this.
Hi, >US Antarctic meteorite locations are kept secret and no longer >published. For what reason? I don't understand - to keep the Japanese and Chinese polar programs away? Another problem could be the modern legislation of some countries too. I predict a worsening of the so far excellent find documentation in Oman, if there no better solutions are found. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Grossman Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Oktober 2009 00:45 An: Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and Legitimacy - Someone help me understand this. I can address the Meteoritical Society angle on this... It mainly began with the Labenne meteorites, Sahara x. There were hundreds of these things appearing around 1997, and scientists were already working on them. We had no prospect of getting the coordinates and faced a tough decision: approve meteorites with secret locations or risk losing the cooperation of dealers and collectors. The nomenclature committee decided that there was really no choice but to accept the meteorites. There was hope at the time that the coordinates would be disclosed in perhaps 5 years, but it never happened. Meanwhile, scientists are now doing the same thing for the same reason. In fact, US Antarctic meteorite locations are kept secret and no longer published. At least we know with those that one day the coordinates will be released. Jeff Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > Hi List, > > Recently I was doing some research on various meteorites for an > article I am writing, and I noticed a few entries in the Met Bulletin > database that give all of the details about a meteorite, but then says > that the actual find coordinates are secret or being withheld. > > Ok, I understand the motivations behind keeping a location secret. > These motives have been discussed on the List previously, as recently > as the new fall in Arizona that Dr. Schrader found - which > subsequently set off a flurry of espionage and intrigues to find the > fall which Dr. Jack was keeping secret. Granted. I can understand > the value of not having 200 amateurs running rough-shod over a new > strewnfield before it is properly documented. But, once the > strewnfield is mapped, and the team(s) working the field have packed > up and left with their specimens, what is the motivation for keeping > the exact location a secret? If the fall is known to science and > available to science (meaning, it has been classified and samples are > available for study), then why should the location be kept secret? Is > it financial reasons, so the original finders can come back on > subsequents trips and deplete the strewnfield for their own > inventories? Or, is it because the location is on someone's private > property and the owner has requested that the exact location be kept > secret to prevent a flood of trespassers? If the latter, then how > does this explain the secret coordinates of the NWA desert finds - > some of which are ordinary chondrites out in the open desert that were > catalogued over 10 years ago. Why are these still being withheld? > > It seems to me, that science (and institutions) should not recognize > meteorites whose find/fall locations are being kept secret > intentionally without good explanation - doing so would encourage > profiteering and damage the availability of specimens for scientific > study and private collectors. If finders wanted to have their falls > officially classified (and reap the benefits of legitimacy that comes > from recognition and inclusion in meteorite catalogues), then they > should have to divulge the coordinates of their finds. Wouldn't that > take away some of the incentive to keep these locations secret where > the only motivation to do so is personal profit? > > I don't want to strike a nerve here or touch off a big debate, I just > want someone to explain to me the reasoning behind anonymous find > locations (not because the location is unknown, but because it is > being withheld) being accepted into the Meteoritical Society database? > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
Hi Melanie, Listees, Only time will tell... People will love it or hate it. I don't really think there will be an in-between. It has the potential to become the worlds largest and #1 meteorite site on the internet. Do a search for anything in Google, Yahoo or Bing, and you'll notice that most searches show a Wikipedia.org link in the results no matter what you search for. What better way to generate much more interest in meteorites, asteroids, comets, and astronomy than to have a meteorite wiki? I can't think of one, can you? Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA Melanie Matthews wrote: <4ae78622.2010...@meteoritesusa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 You're welcome! I think it will be a success=2C and maybe help spread more = interest/popularity in space rocks!=20 Best regards=20 --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what= you're gonna get! Date: Tue=2C 27 Oct 2009 16:45:38 -0700 From: e...@meteoritesusa.com To: spacewoman2...@hotmail.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki Thanks Melanie! Eric Melanie Matthews wrote: =20 Content-Type: text/plain=3B charset=3D"Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 This is great! I'll excited about all the new content to be added..=3D20 =3DA0 Cheers!=3D20 --- Melanie=3D20 IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 =3DA0 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know w= hat=3D you're gonna get!=3D20 From: g...@comcast.net To: e...@meteoritesusa.com=3d3b meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue=3D2C 27 Oct 2009 17:20:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki =3D20 Outstanding Eric! =3D20 -- From: "Meteorites USA"=20 Sent: Monday=3D2C October 26=3D2C 2009 6:07 PM To:=20 Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki =3D20 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
<4ae78622.2010...@meteoritesusa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 You're welcome! I think it will be a success=2C and maybe help spread more = interest/popularity in space rocks!=20 Best regards=20 --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what= you're gonna get! > Date: Tue=2C 27 Oct 2009 16:45:38 -0700 > From: e...@meteoritesusa.com > To: spacewoman2...@hotmail.com > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki > > Thanks Melanie! > > Eric > > > > Melanie Matthews wrote: >>=20 >> Content-Type: text/plain=3B charset=3D"Windows-1252" >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> >> >> This is great! I'll excited about all the new content to be added..=3D20 >> =3DA0 >> Cheers!=3D20 >> --- >> Melanie=3D20 >> IMCA: 2975 >> eBay: metmel2775 >> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 >> =3DA0 >> Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know w= hat=3D >> you're gonna get!=3D20 >> >> >> >> >> >>> From: g...@comcast.net >>> To: e...@meteoritesusa.com=3d3b meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Tue=3D2C 27 Oct 2009 17:20:39 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki >>> =3D20 >>> Outstanding Eric! >>> =3D20 >>> -- >>> From: "Meteorites USA"=20 >>> Sent: Monday=3D2C October 26=3D2C 2009 6:07 PM >>> To:=20 >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki >>> =3D20 >>> Hi Listees=3D2C Meteorite Collectors=3D2C Scientists=3D2C Meteorite Ju= nkies=3D2C=3D >> Addicts &=3D20 >> All Meteorite Enthusiasts=3D2C A long while ago I discussed an idea for a central meteorite website w= it=3D >> h=3D20 >> some community members about the creation of a central hub of meteorit= e=3D >> =3D20 >> knowledge and information database in which everyone could participate= a=3D >> nd=3D20 >> contribute through a community of like minded individuals. This of cou= rs=3D >> e=3D20 >> would be for the furtherance of the science and hobby of meteoritics= =3D2C=3D >> =3D20 >> meteorite collecting=3D2C meteorite hunting=3D2C and the meteorite ind= ustry =3D >> as a=3D20 >> whole. A website that would provide an active and evolving database of=3D20 encyclopedic meteorite knowledge and information for the hobbiest=3D2C= =3D20 scientist and even more so for the curious=3D2C as they are the new me= teor=3D >> ite=3D20 >> enthusiasts and possible future meteoriticists. As the world learns more about meteorites=3D2C asteroids=3D2C comets= =3D2C and =3D >> the=3D20 >> universe in relation to meteorites what better way to grow this knowle= dg=3D >> e=3D20 >> base than through the first and only meteorite related wiki. For those= o=3D >> f=3D20 >> you who are unfamiliar with what a wiki is=3D2C it's an online collabo= rati=3D >> ve=3D20 >> effort to compile information in a community type environment. Introducing The Meteorite Wiki: www.meteoritewiki.com The Meteorite Wiki runs on the same software that runs the world famou= s=3D >> =3D20 >> and beloved Wikipedia.org website=3D2C and is robust and feature rich = enou=3D >> gh=3D20 >> to provide the perfect venue to compile the worlds meteorite informati= on=3D >> =3D20 >> into one easy and convenient online database. Mission Statement: To compile knowledge and share the enjoyment of=3D2= 0 meteorite science & hobby through an open community wiki in which ever= yo=3D >> ne=3D20 >> interested can participate & contribute to the growth of the knowledge= o=3D >> f=3D20 >> meteorites. Enjoy... Regards=3D2C Eric Wichman Meteorites USA P.S. Those interested in contributing or who would like more informati= on=3D >> =3D2C=3D20 >> you're welcome to respond to this thread publicly on-list or privately= v=3D >> ia=3D20 >> email. If you belong to a university or educational institution we wou= ld=3D >> =3D20 >> love to have you contibute your articles=3D2C papers=3D2C photos=3D2C = video or=3D >> other=3D20 >> media to the inclusion in the Meteorite Wiki. We have also reserved th= e=3D >> =3D20 >> most important website domain name as well for the expansion of the=3D= 20 Meteorite Wiki experiment=3D2C meteoritewiki.org. This is to create a= =3D20 non-profit organization for the site should it be a successful endeavo= r.=3D >> =3D20 >> For now though it will be under the .com extension.
Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
Thanks Melanie! Eric Melanie Matthews wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 This is great! I'll excited about all the new content to be added..=20 =A0 Cheers!=20 --- Melanie=20 IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 =A0 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what= you're gonna get!=20 From: g...@comcast.net To: e...@meteoritesusa.com=3b meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue=2C 27 Oct 2009 17:20:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki =20 Outstanding Eric! =20 -- From: "Meteorites USA" Sent: Monday=2C October 26=2C 2009 6:07 PM To: Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki =20 Hi Listees=2C Meteorite Collectors=2C Scientists=2C Meteorite Junkies=2C= Addicts &=20 All Meteorite Enthusiasts=2C A long while ago I discussed an idea for a central meteorite website wit= h=20 some community members about the creation of a central hub of meteorite= =20 knowledge and information database in which everyone could participate a= nd=20 contribute through a community of like minded individuals. This of cours= e=20 would be for the furtherance of the science and hobby of meteoritics=2C= =20 meteorite collecting=2C meteorite hunting=2C and the meteorite industry = as a=20 whole. A website that would provide an active and evolving database of=20 encyclopedic meteorite knowledge and information for the hobbiest=2C=20 scientist and even more so for the curious=2C as they are the new meteor= ite=20 enthusiasts and possible future meteoriticists. As the world learns more about meteorites=2C asteroids=2C comets=2C and = the=20 universe in relation to meteorites what better way to grow this knowledg= e=20 base than through the first and only meteorite related wiki. For those o= f=20 you who are unfamiliar with what a wiki is=2C it's an online collaborati= ve=20 effort to compile information in a community type environment. Introducing The Meteorite Wiki: www.meteoritewiki.com The Meteorite Wiki runs on the same software that runs the world famous= =20 and beloved Wikipedia.org website=2C and is robust and feature rich enou= gh=20 to provide the perfect venue to compile the worlds meteorite information= =20 into one easy and convenient online database. Mission Statement: To compile knowledge and share the enjoyment of=20 meteorite science & hobby through an open community wiki in which everyo= ne=20 interested can participate & contribute to the growth of the knowledge o= f=20 meteorites. Enjoy... Regards=2C Eric Wichman Meteorites USA P.S. Those interested in contributing or who would like more information= =2C=20 you're welcome to respond to this thread publicly on-list or privately v= ia=20 email. If you belong to a university or educational institution we would= =20 love to have you contibute your articles=2C papers=2C photos=2C video or= other=20 media to the inclusion in the Meteorite Wiki. We have also reserved the= =20 most important website domain name as well for the expansion of the=20 Meteorite Wiki experiment=2C meteoritewiki.org. This is to create a=20 non-profit organization for the site should it be a successful endeavor.= =20 For now though it will be under the .com extension. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list=20 =20 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list =20 _ Get Windows 7 for only $39.99=97CDN College & University students only. Thi= s offer ends Jan 3=97upgrade now! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3D9691637= __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and Legitimacy - Someone help me understand this.
I can address the Meteoritical Society angle on this... It mainly began with the Labenne meteorites, Sahara x. There were hundreds of these things appearing around 1997, and scientists were already working on them. We had no prospect of getting the coordinates and faced a tough decision: approve meteorites with secret locations or risk losing the cooperation of dealers and collectors. The nomenclature committee decided that there was really no choice but to accept the meteorites. There was hope at the time that the coordinates would be disclosed in perhaps 5 years, but it never happened. Meanwhile, scientists are now doing the same thing for the same reason. In fact, US Antarctic meteorite locations are kept secret and no longer published. At least we know with those that one day the coordinates will be released. Jeff Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: Hi List, Recently I was doing some research on various meteorites for an article I am writing, and I noticed a few entries in the Met Bulletin database that give all of the details about a meteorite, but then says that the actual find coordinates are secret or being withheld. Ok, I understand the motivations behind keeping a location secret. These motives have been discussed on the List previously, as recently as the new fall in Arizona that Dr. Schrader found - which subsequently set off a flurry of espionage and intrigues to find the fall which Dr. Jack was keeping secret. Granted. I can understand the value of not having 200 amateurs running rough-shod over a new strewnfield before it is properly documented. But, once the strewnfield is mapped, and the team(s) working the field have packed up and left with their specimens, what is the motivation for keeping the exact location a secret? If the fall is known to science and available to science (meaning, it has been classified and samples are available for study), then why should the location be kept secret? Is it financial reasons, so the original finders can come back on subsequents trips and deplete the strewnfield for their own inventories? Or, is it because the location is on someone's private property and the owner has requested that the exact location be kept secret to prevent a flood of trespassers? If the latter, then how does this explain the secret coordinates of the NWA desert finds - some of which are ordinary chondrites out in the open desert that were catalogued over 10 years ago. Why are these still being withheld? It seems to me, that science (and institutions) should not recognize meteorites whose find/fall locations are being kept secret intentionally without good explanation - doing so would encourage profiteering and damage the availability of specimens for scientific study and private collectors. If finders wanted to have their falls officially classified (and reap the benefits of legitimacy that comes from recognition and inclusion in meteorite catalogues), then they should have to divulge the coordinates of their finds. Wouldn't that take away some of the incentive to keep these locations secret where the only motivation to do so is personal profit? I don't want to strike a nerve here or touch off a big debate, I just want someone to explain to me the reasoning behind anonymous find locations (not because the location is unknown, but because it is being withheld) being accepted into the Meteoritical Society database? Best regards, MikeG -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
Thanks Jerry! Eric Jerry Flaherty wrote: Outstanding Eric! -- From: "Meteorites USA" Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 6:07 PM To: Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki Hi Listees, Meteorite Collectors, Scientists, Meteorite Junkies, Addicts & All Meteorite Enthusiasts, A long while ago I discussed an idea for a central meteorite website with some community members about the creation of a central hub of meteorite knowledge and information database in which everyone could participate and contribute through a community of like minded individuals. This of course would be for the furtherance of the science and hobby of meteoritics, meteorite collecting, meteorite hunting, and the meteorite industry as a whole. A website that would provide an active and evolving database of encyclopedic meteorite knowledge and information for the hobbiest, scientist and even more so for the curious, as they are the new meteorite enthusiasts and possible future meteoriticists. As the world learns more about meteorites, asteroids, comets, and the universe in relation to meteorites what better way to grow this knowledge base than through the first and only meteorite related wiki. For those of you who are unfamiliar with what a wiki is, it's an online collaborative effort to compile information in a community type environment. Introducing The Meteorite Wiki: www.meteoritewiki.com The Meteorite Wiki runs on the same software that runs the world famous and beloved Wikipedia.org website, and is robust and feature rich enough to provide the perfect venue to compile the worlds meteorite information into one easy and convenient online database. Mission Statement: To compile knowledge and share the enjoyment of meteorite science & hobby through an open community wiki in which everyone interested can participate & contribute to the growth of the knowledge of meteorites. Enjoy... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA P.S. Those interested in contributing or who would like more information, you're welcome to respond to this thread publicly on-list or privately via email. If you belong to a university or educational institution we would love to have you contibute your articles, papers, photos, video or other media to the inclusion in the Meteorite Wiki. We have also reserved the most important website domain name as well for the expansion of the Meteorite Wiki experiment, meteoritewiki.org. This is to create a non-profit organization for the site should it be a successful endeavor. For now though it will be under the .com extension. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Secret Find/Fall Coordinates and Legitimacy - Someone help me understand this.
Hi List, Recently I was doing some research on various meteorites for an article I am writing, and I noticed a few entries in the Met Bulletin database that give all of the details about a meteorite, but then says that the actual find coordinates are secret or being withheld. Ok, I understand the motivations behind keeping a location secret. These motives have been discussed on the List previously, as recently as the new fall in Arizona that Dr. Schrader found - which subsequently set off a flurry of espionage and intrigues to find the fall which Dr. Jack was keeping secret. Granted. I can understand the value of not having 200 amateurs running rough-shod over a new strewnfield before it is properly documented. But, once the strewnfield is mapped, and the team(s) working the field have packed up and left with their specimens, what is the motivation for keeping the exact location a secret? If the fall is known to science and available to science (meaning, it has been classified and samples are available for study), then why should the location be kept secret? Is it financial reasons, so the original finders can come back on subsequents trips and deplete the strewnfield for their own inventories? Or, is it because the location is on someone's private property and the owner has requested that the exact location be kept secret to prevent a flood of trespassers? If the latter, then how does this explain the secret coordinates of the NWA desert finds - some of which are ordinary chondrites out in the open desert that were catalogued over 10 years ago. Why are these still being withheld? It seems to me, that science (and institutions) should not recognize meteorites whose find/fall locations are being kept secret intentionally without good explanation - doing so would encourage profiteering and damage the availability of specimens for scientific study and private collectors. If finders wanted to have their falls officially classified (and reap the benefits of legitimacy that comes from recognition and inclusion in meteorite catalogues), then they should have to divulge the coordinates of their finds. Wouldn't that take away some of the incentive to keep these locations secret where the only motivation to do so is personal profit? I don't want to strike a nerve here or touch off a big debate, I just want someone to explain to me the reasoning behind anonymous find locations (not because the location is unknown, but because it is being withheld) being accepted into the Meteoritical Society database? Best regards, MikeG -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 This is great! I'll excited about all the new content to be added..=20 =A0 Cheers!=20 --- Melanie=20 IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 =A0 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what= you're gonna get!=20 > From: g...@comcast.net > To: e...@meteoritesusa.com=3b meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tue=2C 27 Oct 2009 17:20:39 -0400 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki >=20 > Outstanding Eric! >=20 > -- > From: "Meteorites USA" > Sent: Monday=2C October 26=2C 2009 6:07 PM > To: > Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki >=20 >> Hi Listees=2C Meteorite Collectors=2C Scientists=2C Meteorite Junkies=2C= Addicts &=20 >> All Meteorite Enthusiasts=2C >> >> A long while ago I discussed an idea for a central meteorite website wit= h=20 >> some community members about the creation of a central hub of meteorite= =20 >> knowledge and information database in which everyone could participate a= nd=20 >> contribute through a community of like minded individuals. This of cours= e=20 >> would be for the furtherance of the science and hobby of meteoritics=2C= =20 >> meteorite collecting=2C meteorite hunting=2C and the meteorite industry = as a=20 >> whole. >> >> A website that would provide an active and evolving database of=20 >> encyclopedic meteorite knowledge and information for the hobbiest=2C=20 >> scientist and even more so for the curious=2C as they are the new meteor= ite=20 >> enthusiasts and possible future meteoriticists. >> >> As the world learns more about meteorites=2C asteroids=2C comets=2C and = the=20 >> universe in relation to meteorites what better way to grow this knowledg= e=20 >> base than through the first and only meteorite related wiki. For those o= f=20 >> you who are unfamiliar with what a wiki is=2C it's an online collaborati= ve=20 >> effort to compile information in a community type environment. >> >> Introducing The Meteorite Wiki: www.meteoritewiki.com >> >> The Meteorite Wiki runs on the same software that runs the world famous= =20 >> and beloved Wikipedia.org website=2C and is robust and feature rich enou= gh=20 >> to provide the perfect venue to compile the worlds meteorite information= =20 >> into one easy and convenient online database. >> >> Mission Statement: To compile knowledge and share the enjoyment of=20 >> meteorite science & hobby through an open community wiki in which everyo= ne=20 >> interested can participate & contribute to the growth of the knowledge o= f=20 >> meteorites. >> >> Enjoy... >> >> Regards=2C >> Eric Wichman >> Meteorites USA >> >> P.S. Those interested in contributing or who would like more information= =2C=20 >> you're welcome to respond to this thread publicly on-list or privately v= ia=20 >> email. If you belong to a university or educational institution we would= =20 >> love to have you contibute your articles=2C papers=2C photos=2C video or= other=20 >> media to the inclusion in the Meteorite Wiki. We have also reserved the= =20 >> most important website domain name as well for the expansion of the=20 >> Meteorite Wiki experiment=2C meteoritewiki.org. This is to create a=20 >> non-profit organization for the site should it be a successful endeavor.= =20 >> For now though it will be under the .com extension. >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list=20 >=20 > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list =20 _ Get Windows 7 for only $39.99=97CDN College & University students only. Thi= s offer ends Jan 3=97upgrade now! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=3D9691637= __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki
Outstanding Eric! -- From: "Meteorites USA" Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 6:07 PM To: Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing: The Meteorite Wiki Hi Listees, Meteorite Collectors, Scientists, Meteorite Junkies, Addicts & All Meteorite Enthusiasts, A long while ago I discussed an idea for a central meteorite website with some community members about the creation of a central hub of meteorite knowledge and information database in which everyone could participate and contribute through a community of like minded individuals. This of course would be for the furtherance of the science and hobby of meteoritics, meteorite collecting, meteorite hunting, and the meteorite industry as a whole. A website that would provide an active and evolving database of encyclopedic meteorite knowledge and information for the hobbiest, scientist and even more so for the curious, as they are the new meteorite enthusiasts and possible future meteoriticists. As the world learns more about meteorites, asteroids, comets, and the universe in relation to meteorites what better way to grow this knowledge base than through the first and only meteorite related wiki. For those of you who are unfamiliar with what a wiki is, it's an online collaborative effort to compile information in a community type environment. Introducing The Meteorite Wiki: www.meteoritewiki.com The Meteorite Wiki runs on the same software that runs the world famous and beloved Wikipedia.org website, and is robust and feature rich enough to provide the perfect venue to compile the worlds meteorite information into one easy and convenient online database. Mission Statement: To compile knowledge and share the enjoyment of meteorite science & hobby through an open community wiki in which everyone interested can participate & contribute to the growth of the knowledge of meteorites. Enjoy... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA P.S. Those interested in contributing or who would like more information, you're welcome to respond to this thread publicly on-list or privately via email. If you belong to a university or educational institution we would love to have you contibute your articles, papers, photos, video or other media to the inclusion in the Meteorite Wiki. We have also reserved the most important website domain name as well for the expansion of the Meteorite Wiki experiment, meteoritewiki.org. This is to create a non-profit organization for the site should it be a successful endeavor. For now though it will be under the .com extension. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
Adam, Bernd, Greg, and List members, Adam, thanks for posting your guess and congratulations on your recent finds. You say you are no expert (with thin sections) but I know that you have seen more than a few rare meteorites – your opinion is valued! I have been hitting the dry lake beds nearly every weekend (mainly in winter months) for several years now, and while I’ve made some great finds I’m sure this will be my best. Sonny and I join you, (along with a few others) in the race to see who will find the first American lunar. It will happen, in fact he and I already have lunar looking (at least to my untrained eye) contenders. Bernd, You too have seen and know a lot more about rare meteorites than I and yes I am learning a lot from all the responses. Greg, As to your question about scale the thin section in on a regular sized (thin section) slide and in the picture the edges can be seen so that should give an idea. -- Ruben Garcia (Mr-Meteorite) Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] 665 GR. Henbury Slice, Cape York Slice 495 GR
Listoids, Right now on Ebay. 2 slices, Cape York 495 gr. and Henbury 665 gr. full slice. http://cgi.ebay.com/Henbury-Iron-Meteorite-Etched-full-slice-665-grams_W0QQitemZ170399183349QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27ac9531f5 http://cgi.ebay.com/Cape-York-Iron-Meteorite-Etched-Slice-495-grams_W0QQitemZ170399243658QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27ac961d8a Enjoy, Jan IMCA 9833 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
Just like Adam, I've been desperately looking for triple junctions, ... none :-( Unless it is something "anomalous" my recent guess (olivine diogenite) is wrong because diogenites do have triple junctions! I've been looking for chondrules or fragments of chondrules, ... none :-( Metal-rich + absence of chondrules, does that look like a CH or a CB? I would expect to find chondrules in a CH chondrite and I would expect to find larger pyroxenes in a CB chondrite (just think of Gujba, for example!) *If* the interference colors are correct, this thin section is excessively rich in brownish pyroxene, and, another *if* it is orthopyroxene, we might be looking at a metal-rich (anomalous) aubrite. Oh, well, ... Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Blast in Bone a result of falling meteorite:Experts
Greg... > Anyone hear about this? please see: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/home/65960457.html Djamaluddin is simply regurgitating what NASA's NEO office posted a few days ago: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news165.html#report ... which in turn was issued October 19th by Elizabeth Silber and Peter Brown... with whom I've been working on this event since October 11th. there might be DoD sat data on this event. stay tuned. clear skies, Kelly J. Kelly Beatty Senior Contributing Editor SKY & TELESCOPE 617-416-9991 SkyandTelescope.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bright light in sky causes commotion
Hi, Greg, List, IF a meteorite were to fall near McPherson, Kansas or in McPherson County, it would be a marvelous kind of coincidence. It was while teaching at McPherson College (in McPherson, of course), that H. H. Nininger first became interested in meteorites and eventually left his job there to become a meteorite hunter, researcher, and scholar. It would be satisfying to have a McPherson meteorite. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: "Greg Stanley" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 2:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bright light in sky causes commotion Can anyone shed some light on this? Greg S. http://www.mcphersonsentinel.com/news/x1615057499/Bright-light-in-sky-causes-commotion At 3:07 a.m. Tuesday, McPherson County Communications officers received several reports from citizens and law enforcement officers regarding a large blue light falling from the sky. Dispatchers spoke with Saline and Reno County authorities and were advised that they had also received reports of this phenomena. The National Weather Service in Wichita, was contacted and they advised they had received a report of this from Lincoln County. The general consensus is that it was a meteorite, however there is no determination as to where it made impact. _ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wl&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
Hi Ruben and List members, My eyes are calibrated for Lunaites right now having just returned from a Mojave hunt. I trained my eyes before the deep desert trip in hopes of actually finding one. After hiking 62 miles last week, I did find a few breccias, some fossil camel bones, an ordinary chondrite and maybe a weathered carbonaceous chondrite. We even found a stolen vehicle from Utah stashed in a box canyon which we reported. The police dispatcher was not ready for exact GPS coordinates though. With my eyes still calibrated in hopes of finding a North American Lunar, my first guess is a Mesosiderite. With that said, I am certainly no expert on thin-sections but do enjoy observing them. I looked for triple-junctions and did not see any in the thin-section image so I do not believe it to be anything primitive like a Winoniate, Lodranite or Acapulcolite. I see no relic chondrules either. If the opaque areas are metal or oxides and not chromite, then there seems to be too much for a Diogenite. That's what makes finds like Ruben's exciting, you do not know what you have until the minerals are recognized in a laboratory. In any case, it is indeed a rare find. My blistered feet are testimony to how difficult any meteorite is to find, congratulations! Please let us know what the laboratory reports, Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Ruben Garcia To: Meteorite List Sent: Mon, October 26, 2009 4:02:55 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts? Hi all, The disclaimer: My main purpose for posting this is because I know very little about achondrite meteorites. This is because (as a general rule) I only collect what I find, and though I've found lots of meteorites this is my first achondrite find. As most already know this find is currently being classified by Laurence Garvie at ASU. However, while we wait for the official classification I thought it would be fun and enlightening to show the section and see if the guesses change from before. It would be great to hear from some of the great minds on this forum - Ted Bunch, the Hupe's, etc.. - but any ones guess is welcome and interesting to me. According to the (4) meteoriticists that have seen the thin section - it is NOT a pallasite or chondrite. However, no one can definitively ID this meteorite instead they gave a few guesses - "primitive achondrite like." This thin section was pictured with a home made cross polarized light set-up I made. It’s not the best but I hope it's good enough to give an idea. Look here: http://www.mr-meteorite.net/rubengarciasmeteorite.htm Meteorite picutres as found/cut and polished http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm -- Ruben Garcia (Mr-Meteorite) Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Blast in Bone a result of falling meteorite: Experts
List: Anyone hear about this? Greg S. http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/10/27/blast-bone-a-result-falling-meteorite-experts.html After a three-week investigation, astronomers at the National Aeronautics and Space Agency (Lapan) concluded that an air explosion that hit Bone waters in South Sulawesi on Oct. 8 was a result of a falling meteorite. Lapan expert Thomas Djamaluddin said the meteorite struck the atmosphere at a speed of 20.3 kilometers per second, causing a major blast that equaled an explosion of 50 kilotons of TNT (trinitrotoluene). The meteorite was part of a 10-meter diameter asteroid, Thomas told kompas.com. He said falling asteroids rarely caused damage on earth, except for those with diameters of 25 meters or longer. The blast sparked rumors of a plane crash as it occurred at the same time that Indonesian Air Force’s Sukhoi jets and choppers were carrying out routine sorties. _ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wl&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bright light in sky causes commotion
Can anyone shed some light on this? Greg S. http://www.mcphersonsentinel.com/news/x1615057499/Bright-light-in-sky-causes-commotion At 3:07 a.m. Tuesday, McPherson County Communications officers received several reports from citizens and law enforcement officers regarding a large blue light falling from the sky. Dispatchers spoke with Saline and Reno County authorities and were advised that they had also received reports of this phenomena. The National Weather Service in Wichita, was contacted and they advised they had received a report of this from Lincoln County. The general consensus is that it was a meteorite, however there is no determination as to where it made impact. _ New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx?CBID=wl&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_pcscout:102009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Gold Pultusk Coin - looking for...
Hi Im looking for source of gold Pultusk coins. Some time ago it was available but now I cant find any. :( -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) kosmos [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
<80659e1a0910271151l71d4cbamdea18d9e6774...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Ruben: What is the scale of the thin section you posted? Greg S. > Date: Tue=2C 27 Oct 2009 11:51:26 -0700 > From: mrmeteor...@gmail.com > To: cdtuc...@cox.net > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts? > > Hi all=2C > > Carl suggested that I list everyones guesses as to what they think > this meteorite will be classified as. Here is a partial list=2C (as I > will be adding to it ) many meteoriticists and collectors have seen > this stone=2C here are some of the brave souls that have dared to > venture a guess. > > Come on make a guess if you haven't already. > > If I have misquoted your guess or you would like to add (or change ) a > guess please let me know. > > List of current guesses here=2C > http://www.mr-meteorite.net/rubengarciasmeteorite.htm > > > -- > Ruben Garcia (Mr-Meteorite) > > Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net > Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ > Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=3Dmeteorfright#p/u > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list =20 _ Windows 7: Simplify your PC. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocid=3DPID24727::T:= WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen1:102009= __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Munich Friday-Evening Fliegerbraeu
...takes place, as every year. Friday, 8 p.m. after the show, in the Fleagerbroy in the nearby village Feldkirchen. Fliegerbräu Sonnenstrasse 2 85622 Feldkirchen-Riem http://www.fliegerbraeu.de If you have any questions, just stop over at our table, Hall A5 booth A5.252, where you can also inspect our newest planetary sensation! See you soon! Martin & Stefan Martin Altmann & Stefan Ralew Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Odessa
Hi all - When I visited Odessa I was told that it was suspected to be the impact of a fragment related to the Barringer impactor. My suspicion is that the Barringer impact is seen in the spike of C14 in the INTCAL98 chart around 45,000 BCE. So what is OSL dating anyway, and how accurate is it? When writing my book, I found no mention of the Barringer impact, but then for North America I was working with eastern materials. Also, the first crossing to the Americas seems to have occured about 45,000 BCE, but even this early date is hotly contested. In closing, the Hopi, Navajo, and Zuni elders will share what they want to share from their traditions about later impacts when they want to share it. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Where are the thin section experts?
Hi all, Carl suggested that I list everyones guesses as to what they think this meteorite will be classified as. Here is a partial list, (as I will be adding to it ) many meteoriticists and collectors have seen this stone, here are some of the brave souls that have dared to venture a guess. Come on make a guess if you haven't already. If I have misquoted your guess or you would like to add (or change ) a guess please let me know. List of current guesses here, http://www.mr-meteorite.net/rubengarciasmeteorite.htm -- Ruben Garcia (Mr-Meteorite) Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest 'Fall' Meteorite
Jason et al... > Only two meteorites are ever known to have created real craters upon > falling; Carancas and Sikhote-Alin. there's also Sterlitamak, a 1990 fall in Russia that left a 10-m crater: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1992Metic..27R.276P clear skies, Kelly J. Kelly Beatty Senior Contributing Editor SKY & TELESCOPE 617-416-9991 SkyandTelescope.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD-FOR SALE: GREAT PRICE$$ (2) Unique Austrian Meteorite stamps (Meteorite dust in the stamp itself!!)
Hi All, I have (2) Austrian Meteorite stamps for sale This stamp has Meteorite dust & bits in the stamp itself! A very cool item. No longer available. Produced in March of 2006 by Austria. Has tiny bits of a Chondrite Meteorite imbedded in the tail of the Meteorite on the stamp! Very unique stamp from 2006. Very good shape, kept in container. Comes in its own little matte and plastic holder---NEAT!! (Pics on Request) Don't wait on these!! ($25.00 or BEST OFFER for each). FREE SHIPPING! Please contact me off-list at: ba...@chorus.net. Thank you much! Kirk...:-) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-FOR SALE: GREAT PRICE$$ (2) Unique Austrian Meteorite stamps (Meteorite dust in the stamp itself!!)
- Original Message - From: "Becky and Kirk" To: Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:37 PM Subject: AD: FOR SALE: Austrian Meteorite stamp & Micro's NWA3157, NWA3151 & NWA978 Hi All, I have (2) Austrian Meteorite stamps for sale This stamp has Meteorite dust & bits in the stamp itself! A very cool item. No longer available. Produced in March of 2006 by Austria. Has tiny bits of a Chondrite Meteorite imbedded in the tail of the Meteorite on the stamp! Very unique stamp from 2006. Very good shape, kept in container. Comes in its own little matte and plastic holder---NEAT!! (Pics on Request) Dom't wait on these!! ($25.00 or BEST OFFER for each). FREE SHIPPING! Please contact me off-list at: ba...@chorus.net. Thank you much! Kirk...:-) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
