[meteorite-list] Texas Fireball?
Just noticed this report, anyone else hear anything? http://www.ufostalker.com/?mufon=true __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Arizonans Find Largest Meteorite Fragment From Spectacular Midwestern Fall
The Main Mass from Wisconsin will be on view here in Tucson June 12th 13th http://uanews.org/node/31788 -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Space Movie
See Meteorite Movie below: Staring Greg Hupe, Michael Blood, Leigh Anne DelRay Eric Wichman: http://starwars.jibjab.com/view/7ulAMvjq9bIiIrgh __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Movie
See Meteorite Movie below: Staring Greg Hupe, Michael Blood, Leigh Anne DelRay Eric Wichman: http://starwars.jibjab.com/view/7ulAMvjq9bIiIrgh __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ISO - video from WI fall for school presentation on Fri needed.
Hi Greg, I don't know of any good quality Wisconsin fireball videos but why not start off with Jeff Kuyken's Wonder of Meteorites (with his permission, of course)? Can't get anything better, imo. Carl2 Greg C. wrote: I have been asked to speak at my daughters school on Friday about meteorites... _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands
Apparently the BLM is taking the stance that meteorites fall under the federal antiquities act. A link to the BLM Oregon site. This is allegedly going to be on every BLM site soon. http://www.blm.gov/or/programs/minerals/noncollectables.php __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WI-Bill and Sonny
All: I usually just lurk but need to put in my 2 cents about recent posts by Bill and Sonny. Prior to WI, I had not known Sonny personally, but his good reputation preceeded him. While hunting with him over the last 2 weeks, I have seen nothing but gentlemanly behavior and respect from him towards landowners as well as fellow meteorite hunters. I do not know Bill and cannot comment except about his rude post. Bill, if you have anything to say/post other than an apology to Sonny and the list, please take it off-list to Sonny. The list is no place for name-calling. As far as the lack of material, this is not even close to hunting in West. I think that the average number of finds per hunter (professional) now is just about 1 with something like 100 hours of searching needed to find that 1 stone. In the first week it was about 1/2 find or less per hunter. There is no pumping of a lack of stones. This isn't the Buzzard it was initially thought to be. Bill, how many stones have you found and how many hours have you seached? I hope you have done better than me with more than 100 hours for my 1 stone. With most hunters keeping their one find or a slice of it, not much material will make it to market unless someone on the ground makes a breakthrough. Karl Aston __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizonans Find Largest Meteorite Fragment From Spectacular Midwestern Fall
This has come up before, and again I have to take issue with this usage. It is absurd to call a piece comprising 10% of the total recovered mass the main mass. That is contrary to the historical usage of this term. Folks on the list love to coin pet terms, so here is a proposal: call it the LKM (largest known mass). BTW, if Marvin Killgore flies the stone to Amsterdam on Jan 15, then we might have MK taking the LKM on KLM on MLK day. Jeff On 5/5/2010 4:02 AM, Richard Kowalski wrote: The Main Mass from Wisconsin will be on view here in Tucson June 12th 13th http://uanews.org/node/31788 -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands
How nice! It's about time the US government started returning property to the Indians. I found several major US cities on Indian Land, will those be returned to their rightful owner? What a crock of conqueror-BS. On 5/5/10, David Norton renov8hot...@earthlink.net wrote: Apparently the BLM is taking the stance that meteorites fall under the federal antiquities act. A link to the BLM Oregon site. This is allegedly going to be on every BLM site soon. http://www.blm.gov/or/programs/minerals/noncollectables.php __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizonans Find Largest Meteorite Fragment From Spectacular Midwestern Fall
Jeff, What a magnificent sense of humor! Best, John Gwilliam At 06:04 AM 5/5/2010, Jeff Grossman wrote: This has come up before, and again I have to take issue with this usage. It is absurd to call a piece comprising 10% of the total recovered mass the main mass. That is contrary to the historical usage of this term. Folks on the list love to coin pet terms, so here is a proposal: call it the LKM (largest known mass). BTW, if Marvin Killgore flies the stone to Amsterdam on Jan 15, then we might have MK taking the LKM on KLM on MLK day. Jeff On 5/5/2010 4:02 AM, Richard Kowalski wrote: The Main Mass from Wisconsin will be on view here in Tucson June 12th 13th http://uanews.org/node/31788 -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New evidence for microbial fossils in Martian meteorite
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/30/AR2010043002000.html --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizonans Find Largest Meteorite Fragment From Spectacular Midwestern Fall
On Wed, 05 May 2010 09:04:13 -0400, you wrote: usage of this term. Folks on the list love to coin pet terms, so here is a proposal: call it the LKM (largest known mass). Also abbrevated as the LaMass. Example Dude, did you see that lamass meteorite up on Ebay? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New evidence for microbial fossils in Martian meteorite
Sounds like these could be real this time. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/30/AR2010043002000.html --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizonans Find Largest Meteorite Fragment From Spectacular Midwestern Fall
very clever ;-) On May 5, 2010, at 9:53 AM, John Gwilliam wrote: Jeff, What a magnificent sense of humor! Best, John Gwilliam At 06:04 AM 5/5/2010, Jeff Grossman wrote: This has come up before, and again I have to take issue with this usage. It is absurd to call a piece comprising 10% of the total recovered mass the main mass. That is contrary to the historical usage of this term. Folks on the list love to coin pet terms, so here is a proposal: call it the LKM (largest known mass). BTW, if Marvin Killgore flies the stone to Amsterdam on Jan 15, then we might have MK taking the LKM on KLM on MLK day. Jeff On 5/5/2010 4:02 AM, Richard Kowalski wrote: The Main Mass from Wisconsin will be on view here in Tucson June 12th 13th http://uanews.org/node/31788 -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New evidence for microbial fossils in Martian meteorite
Melanie: I think they're just recycling their old claims to try and get more taxpayer funding for their project. I'm still waiting to hear their new evidence. It's the same as their old evidence, which is weak. McKay and his crew remind me of Michael Mann and his CRU with their AGW agenda. (Incidently, NASA is involved in Climategate with their questionable Goddard Institute for Space Studies data.) These people are seriously looking for microbial fossils in igneous rock? Has a fossil of any kind ever been found in an igneous rock? Are life forms ever preserved in magma, granite or obsidian? This is laughable at the least. So they found some magnetite crystals. They say 75% were naturally formed by a shock mechanism, while 25% were so perfect, they had to be biogenic. What are the chances of this actually happening? Wouldn't it all be natural or all biogenic? And get this: the magnetite is exactly the same as that produced by magnetotactic bacteria on Earth! So what are the chances of this happening? 2 identical life forms on two different planets. These things live in the ocean, could they survive an interplanetary journey? Why are these magnetite chain fossils not found in sedimentary Earth rocks, but yet they appear in igneous Mars rocks? Since these are aquatic creatures, it seems highly unlikely they would turn up in igneous rock. Their whole argument rests of the morphology of a few magnetite nano crystals, which they claim they can now see better with higher resolution microscopes. I think this is very weak evidence, and I remain unconvinced. I think desktop cold fusion is more likely. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] El Paso Fireball
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzsgsBqUgI0 Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New evidence for microbial fossils in Martian meteorite
I've been swayed by the mounting evidence for ancient microbes for a while now, and am in the McCay camp. Thanks Melanie, for posting this ever increasingly important story! Regards, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New evidence for microbial fossils in Martian meteorite
Phil, No one has ever the Martian microbes were in an ocean. Only that there was water in the environment the organisms grew in. And there has been microrganisms found in and near basaltic rock. Seems that life finds niches in many environments, even extremely hostile ones. I would suggest to many on this list to read the book: The Rock from Mars by Kathy Sawyer Just yesterday I watched a documentary episode of THE PLANETS that had a researcher talking about microrganisms being found in volcanic rock in remote and extreme places on earths surface. And let's not forget the microorganisms that have been found near fumerols at the bottom of the oceans. I'm new to this listing and do not like some of the name calling and such I've been reading while catching up. So please know that my response is not to incite animosity but rather fruitful discussion. Best regards to all! Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands
I like this part! Leave no human remains! Or foot prints! Do they mean dead people? Please remember not to leave any modern day artifacts or human remains of your own (haul out your trash from remote areas), take only photographs and leave only footprints on designated paths. - Original Message From: David Norton renov8hot...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 7:40:08 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands Apparently the BLM is taking the stance that meteorites fall under the federal antiquities act. A link to the BLM Oregon site. This is allegedly going to be on every BLM site soon. http://www.blm.gov/or/programs/minerals/noncollectables.php __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WI-Bill and Sonny
Dear Karl all, This diatribe can cease. Bill has been removed from the list, at least for the foreseeable future. Direct attacks against another list member are a violation Of list rules. Please, no more. Commenting on others doing it most definitely Ads a great deal to the pollution - in fact, in my opinion, the nearly Endless commenting after such an infraction is at least (and I think More) disruptive than the original violation, itself. People never Ever seem to learn that they can contact a person off list if they Hold issue with what s/he said on list. Instead, the issue just goes On and on and on. I find it highly ironic that I have NOT told my 10 year old Nephew about the list, in spite of his enthusiastic response to His first exposure to the meteorite scene at the Tucson Show this Year. Many dealers were exceptionally kind and informative and Even gave him specimens when they saw his enthusiasm. However, Given the attacking that goes on on this list and the resulting back And forth, seemingly endless commentary about same, I have, at least for the time being, simply not informed him of this source of otherwise invaluable information. How weird is that? I don't want to turn him off to meteorites, so, I am not telling Him about the list because so many members utilize this list as a forum to attack one another, point fingers and comment endlessly About those who do. Very sad. Sincerely, Michael On 5/5/10 6:01 AM, Karl Aston stlouismeteori...@gmail.com wrote: All: I usually just lurk but need to put in my 2 cents about recent posts by Bill and Sonny. Prior to WI, I had not known Sonny personally, but his good reputation preceeded him. While hunting with him over the last 2 weeks, I have seen nothing but gentlemanly behavior and respect from him towards landowners as well as fellow meteorite hunters. I do not know Bill and cannot comment except about his rude post. Bill, if you have anything to say/post other than an apology to Sonny and the list, please take it off-list to Sonny. The list is no place for name-calling. As far as the lack of material, this is not even close to hunting in West. I think that the average number of finds per hunter (professional) now is just about 1 with something like 100 hours of searching needed to find that 1 stone. In the first week it was about 1/2 find or less per hunter. There is no pumping of a lack of stones. This isn't the Buzzard it was initially thought to be. Bill, how many stones have you found and how many hours have you seached? I hope you have done better than me with more than 100 hours for my 1 stone. With most hunters keeping their one find or a slice of it, not much material will make it to market unless someone on the ground makes a breakthrough. Karl Aston __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fossils on Mars?
Hi Phil - In the original scans way back when, the PHA's were found bound inside the fossil walls. So my estimate is yes. What few realize is the potential hazard from any descendents of these fossils carried back to Earth, and what that means in terms of manned flight to Mars. No amount of shouting, arm waving, or hypothesizing is going to solve this problem. Its going to take long range rovers suitably equipped. E.P. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New to list
Hello folks. I started collecting meteorites about two years ago. I have a small yet fairly modest collection. I bought my first few meteorites from Ann Black of Impactika. She was and is very nice and helpful. I have also purchased and become friendly with Mike Jensen though often busy he is very courteous and informative. Blaine Reed is also one whom I have purchased from and a great guy. I recently became friends with Gary Fujihara on facebook and three of my favorite meteorite slices have come from him. I very much admire him and his great mind as well as his take on things. I'm mostly a reader and look forward to learning from all of you. From time to time I may even post my own comments and view of things, ask questions, hopefully without losing my head for it!! LOL!! Regards to all, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fossils on Mars?
Xeno biology If life ever began on Mars, I believe that it will still be there. The climate cannot have changed quickly enough to extinguish microbial life and it should thrive there not just cling on to existence. I accept that the magnetite found in martian fossils could be a local adaptation of martian bacteria to localised magnetic anomalies and that these could coincide with methane emissions discovered recently. What I object to is the constant use of these principles (though I accept them, I do not believe them) to suggest that we cannot send a manned mission to Mars. The very idea that a martian microbe could be pathogenic when it would be clearly adapted to a cold dry environment is absurd. I would bet my life on Mars being sterile. Even if I turned out to be wrong, I'd go double or quits on any Martian vector being unable to attack a Terran organism kept in an environment akin to it's home (eg humans at room temp and pressure) Rob Mc --- On Wed, 5/5/10, E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com wrote: From: E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Fossils on Mars? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, 5 May, 2010, 22:25 Hi Phil - In the original scans way back when, the PHA's were found bound inside the fossil walls. So my estimate is yes. What few realize is the potential hazard from any descendents of these fossils carried back to Earth, and what that means in terms of manned flight to Mars. No amount of shouting, arm waving, or hypothesizing is going to solve this problem. Its going to take long range rovers suitably equipped. E.P. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New to list
Aloha and e komo mai (howzit and welcome), Welcome to the metlist Henry. I am sure you will find this resource to be helpful to gain information on meteorites, as there are many knowledgeable folks here including the people you have mentioned. It has been a pleasure to get to (virtually) know you, and I'm looking forward to perhaps meeting you in September at the Denver show. Take care and we'll see you around. gary On May 5, 2010, at 11:57 AM, hxmendoza wrote: Hello folks. I started collecting meteorites about two years ago. I have a small yet fairly modest collection. I bought my first few meteorites from Ann Black of Impactika. She was and is very nice and helpful. I have also purchased and become friendly with Mike Jensen though often busy he is very courteous and informative. Blaine Reed is also one whom I have purchased from and a great guy. I recently became friends with Gary Fujihara on facebook and three of my favorite meteorite slices have come from him. I very much admire him and his great mind as well as his take on things. I'm mostly a reader and look forward to learning from all of you. From time to time I may even post my own comments and view of things, ask questions, hopefully without losing my head for it!! LOL!! Regards to all, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Colorado School of Mines meteorite exhibit
Hello folks. I visited the School of Mines this past Saturday and too photos if their nice meteorite display. I posted them in an album in my profile on Facebook. I have absolutely no idea whether or not this link will work to get you there (not that computer savvy). I hope it works, if not please forgive. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2056333id=1069452107ref=mf Regards, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New evidence for microbial fossils in Martian meteorite
Phil, I have no arguments against your points here but, I do have a few questions. With all due respect and hope that I am not too far off base here. Based on thousands of photos of Mars it seems to be a lot like Earth less the water and growies. Although there are a lot of places here that do look exactly like Mars. Isn't it possible for igneous rocks to become metamorphosed into rocks that might be from past oceans on Mars? One of our probes definitely confirmed the presents of Glauconite and Albite on Mars. these are also found in Earths oceans. So, I tend to believe a lot of what our scientists say. Even without extraordinary proof. To me there are theories being postured that are far more in need of proof than the fact that Mar's may have life. Such as. . The Moon was created by a giant collision with earth? What? The Moon is nothing like Earth and what about all of the other planet's Moons? Did Saturn and Jupiter get hit as well? Wait! How would that work? Aren't they Gaseous? What would it have hit? But the most Crazy theory is that ALH84001 is even from Mars at all. It does not match any of the other SNC's in either Mineralogy or Isotopes. Yes, it has some like minerals but that should not come as a surprise. And Yes, they say if the O- isotopes match, that is diagnostic of origin. Problem is that ALH84001's O-isotopes does not match the others. So, how could it have the same origin? Please explain that one? It was first classified as a diogenite because it is very much like a diogenite (if it looks like a duck) . But for the some reason it suddenly became a new Martian meteorite. It may well be from Mars but, if the isotopes don't match the others then how could it be? Usually Isotopes rule. Don't they? I am asking because I would like to know not to disrespect anybody here. Seems to me it may be from a different planet? Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Melanie: I think they're just recycling their old claims to try and get more taxpayer funding for their project. I'm still waiting to hear their new evidence. It's the same as their old evidence, which is weak. McKay and his crew remind me of Michael Mann and his CRU with their AGW agenda. (Incidently, NASA is involved in Climategate with their questionable Goddard Institute for Space Studies data.) These people are seriously looking for microbial fossils in igneous rock? Has a fossil of any kind ever been found in an igneous rock? Are life forms ever preserved in magma, granite or obsidian? This is laughable at the least. So they found some magnetite crystals. They say 75% were naturally formed by a shock mechanism, while 25% were so perfect, they had to be biogenic. What are the chances of this actually happening? Wouldn't it all be natural or all biogenic? And get this: the magnetite is exactly the same as that produced by magnetotactic bacteria on Earth! So what are the chances of this happening? 2 identical life forms on two different planets. These things live in the ocean, could they survive an interplanetary journey? Why are these magnetite chain fossils not found in sedimentary Earth rocks, but yet they appear in igneous Mars rocks? Since these are aquatic creatures, it seems highly unlikely they would turn up in igneous rock. Their whole argument rests of the morphology of a few magnetite nano crystals, which they claim they can now see better with higher resolution microscopes. I think this is very weak evidence, and I remain unconvinced. I think desktop cold fusion is more likely. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New to list
Thanks Michael. By the way, I bought my little Holbrook from you a couple or so years ago! And thank you Gary, and Rob, and Greg! Best wishes, Henry Sent from my iPod On May 5, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: Hi Henry, Welcome to the list! You will probably NOT be attacked. at least until You have been around a while! Best wishes, Michael On 5/5/10 2:57 PM, hxmendoza hxmend...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello folks. I started collecting meteorites about two years ago. I have a small yet fairly modest collection. I bought my first few meteorites from Ann Black of Impactika. She was and is very nice and helpful. I have also purchased and become friendly with Mike Jensen though often busy he is very courteous and informative. Blaine Reed is also one whom I have purchased from and a great guy. I recently became friends with Gary Fujihara on facebook and three of my favorite meteorite slices have come from him. I very much admire him and his great mind as well as his take on things. I'm mostly a reader and look forward to learning from all of you. From time to time I may even post my own comments and view of things, ask questions, hopefully without losing my head for it!! LOL!! Regards to all, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New to list
Hi Henry! Welcome to the List. :) And I could not agree more about Gary Fujihara - he is one of the most down to Earth guys you'll ever encounter and his passion for space rocks is infectious. :) Best regards, MikeG On 5/5/10, hxmendoza hxmend...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks Michael. By the way, I bought my little Holbrook from you a couple or so years ago! And thank you Gary, and Rob, and Greg! Best wishes, Henry Sent from my iPod On May 5, 2010, at 4:08 PM, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: Hi Henry, Welcome to the list! You will probably NOT be attacked. at least until You have been around a while! Best wishes, Michael On 5/5/10 2:57 PM, hxmendoza hxmend...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello folks. I started collecting meteorites about two years ago. I have a small yet fairly modest collection. I bought my first few meteorites from Ann Black of Impactika. She was and is very nice and helpful. I have also purchased and become friendly with Mike Jensen though often busy he is very courteous and informative. Blaine Reed is also one whom I have purchased from and a great guy. I recently became friends with Gary Fujihara on facebook and three of my favorite meteorite slices have come from him. I very much admire him and his great mind as well as his take on things. I'm mostly a reader and look forward to learning from all of you. From time to time I may even post my own comments and view of things, ask questions, hopefully without losing my head for it!! LOL!! Regards to all, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Team Cites New Evidence That Meteorites From Mars Contain Ancient Fossils
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/30/AR2010043002000.html NASA team cites new evidence that meteorites from Mars contain ancient fossils By Marc Kaufman Washington Post May 4, 2010 LEAGUE CITY, TEX. -- NASA's Mars Meteorite Research Team reopened a 14-year-old controversy on extraterrestrial life last week, reaffirming and offering support for its widely challenged assertion that a 4-billion-year-old meteorite that landed thousands of years ago on Antarctica shows evidence of microscopic life on Mars. In addition to presenting research that they said disproved some of their critics, the scientists reported that additional Martian meteorites appear to house distinct and identifiable microbial fossils that point even more strongly to the existence of life. We feel more confident than ever that Mars probably once was, and maybe still is, home to life, team leader David McKay said at a NASA-sponsored conference on astrobiology. The researchers' presentations were not met with any of the excited frenzy that greeted the original 1996 announcement about the meteorite -- which led to a televised statement by President Bill Clinton in which he announced a space summit, the formation of a commission to examine its implications and the birth of a NASA-funded astrobiology program. Fourteen years of relentless criticism have turned many scientists against the McKay results, and the Mars meteorite discovery has remained an unresolved and somewhat awkward issue. This has continued even though the team's central finding -- that Mars once had living creatures -- has gained broad acceptance among the biologists, chemists, geologists, astronomers and other scientists who make up the astrobiology community. Speaking at a four-day conference near NASA's Johnson Space Center, McKay's team didn't claim it had definitive proof that the meteorites they are studying -- which can be identified as Martian because the gases inside them match the Martian atmosphere -- contain the remains of living organisms. Rather, the researchers described their re-energized confidence as emerging from a process of nitty-gritty science, based on inference, simulated testing and a kind of interplanetary forensics. McKay cited years of work by team members Kathie Thomas-Keprta and Simon Clemett that he said rebuts a central critique of the meteorite's significance. He also pointed to the presence of what appear to be fossilized microbes in other Martian meteorites, as well as the steady flow of discoveries by others pointing to a Mars that at one time could have supported life -- wet, warmer and enveloped in a potentially protective atmosphere and a magnetic field. Rebutting the critics The Thomas-Keprta work, published late last year in the journal Geochemica, centers on the origin of iron-based crystals called magnetites in the original Mars meteorite, called ALH84001. Magnetites on Earth are sometimes created by bacteria that respond to the planet's magnetic field; the McKay team argued that some of the Martian magnetites were of this biologically created type. Critics had said that the magnetites could have just as easily existed without bacteria or biology -- that they sometimes form as a result of the shock and searing heat that could come, for instance, from an asteroid strike. But in the recent paper, Thomas-Keprta, an expert in the use of electron beam technology to look inside rocks, reported that the purity of the magnetites made that explanation impossible. Reflecting both the contentiousness and drama of the debate, Thomas-Keprta finished her talk by referring to a recent article in a science journal that said the astrobiology community had mostly abandoned the biological explanations for the makeup of ALH84001. Her retort: As Mark Twain put it, 'Reports of our death have been greatly exaggerated.' McKay complained that not enough attention had been paid to work such as Thomas-Keprta's. All the criticisms of our original paper got widely distributed, but when we did the work to prove the critics were wrong, it hardly made a ripple, he said at a conference interview. We're now in a position to say we've knocked down all the criticisms -- and our biological explanation is the one left standing. Mary Voytek, director of NASA's astrobiology program, praised McKay and his team for their continued research into Mars meteorites, saying they have been crucial to the field. She said, however, that the astrobiology community as a whole remained unconvinced of their findings, in part because the bar is so high. She also said it was still not proved that any possible microfossils on the meteorites had come from Mars, rather than forming as contaminants after the meteorites landed on Earth. In addition, all the Martian meteorites consist of hard igneous rock; the more fragile sedimentary rock, which is most likely to contain sign of life, falls apart before reaching Earth. Strong feelings Because the
[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - May 5, 2010
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES May 5, 2010 o Geezer Gullies at Tempe Terra http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_017015_2245 o Viscous Flow in Protonilus Mensae http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_017024_2230 o Star Dunes in Crater in Tyrrhena Terra http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_017036_1665 o Icy Northern Dunes http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_017043_2640 o Pits along Fractures in Crater Floor Material http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_017103_2255 o Collapse! http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_017171_2190 o Intra-Crater Structure in NW Hellas Basin http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_017196_1455 o Big Impact-Triggered Dust Avalanche http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_017229_2110 o Megabreccia in the Central Uplift of Stokes Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_017257_2360 o Deformed Craters and Polygons in Utopia Planitia http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_017260_2225 o Knobs near Reull Vallis http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_017286_1430 o Light-Toned Rocks inside a Crater http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_017292_1680 All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] How Capt. Kirk Changed the World (Dawn)
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/04may_dawn/ How Capt. Kirk Changed the World NASA Science News May 4, 2010: Standard orbit, Mr. Sulu. Captain Kirk barks out the order with such confidence. He knows the USS Enterprise can slip in and out of planetary orbits with ease. But it's only easy in the realm of science fiction. In the real world, such maneuvers have been impossible --until now. Enter Dawn, NASA's cutting edge mission to the asteroid belt. Powered with a futuristic sounding new technology called ion propulsion, this spacecraft will perform space moves rivaling those of the Enterprise. At this very moment, Dawn is slowly climbing away from the sun, beyond Mars, on its way to its first destination, asteroid Vesta. Dawn will enter standard orbit around this rocky world for a year, exploring its mysteries. Then Dawn will do something unprecedented in real-world spaceflight: exit the orbit of one distant body, and fly to and orbit another. The second destination is asteroid Ceres. Dawn will be the first spacecraft ever built to orbit two target bodies after leaving Earth, says Marc Rayman, Dawn chief engineer at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. There's not even a concept for doing such a mission with conventional propulsion systems. The spacecraft would have to carry so much fuel, it would be too heavy to launch. Instead, Dawn relies on ion propulsion, which doesn't require a huge spacecraft. Rayman first heard the term years ago while watching -- you guessed it -- Star Trek. Using solar arrays spanning 65 feet, Dawn collects power from the sun to ionize atoms of xenon. These ions are expelled by a strong electric field out the back of the spacecraft, producing a gentle thrust. The weightless and frictionless conditions of space flight allow this gossamer force effect to build up, so the spacecraft gains speed slowly and continuously. Dawn isn't exactly a hot rod, says Rayman. It would take 4 days to go from 0 to 60. But it ultimately achieves fantastically high velocity while consuming very little propellant. It uses only a kilogram of xenon every 4 days. Typically, conventional rockets thrust for a few minutes at most before they run out of fuel, then they coast to their destination. Dawnâs engines, on the other hand, are almost constantly active. Dawn will thrust for 5 1/2 years! says Rayman. It's already been thrusting for 591 days. That's 62% of the time it's been in space. This means Dawn must be very fuel efficient. A typical Mars orbiter could consume more than 600 pounds of propellants to enter orbit around the red planet, says Rayman. With its ion propulsion system, Dawn could do it with less than 60 pounds of xenon. Add all of these advantages together and you get a spacecraft that can accomplish -- well -- the impossible. Dawn is taking us, in the truest sense, up close to two distant, alien, unexplored worlds. Its destinations -- Ceres and Vesta -- are two of the biggest asteroids in the solar system. Indeed, Ceres is so big, it is actually classified as a dwarf planet, and Vesta is not far behind. Yet to date they've been studied only from a great distance, so they're virtually unknown. What is known is that they're not alike. Vesta is more like the rocky bodies of the inner solar system, one of which is right under our feet, explains Rayman. And Ceres is more like the icy moons of the outer solar system. Scientists think it may even have a subsurface ocean of liquid water! Dawn's instruments will collect data and images to uncover the secrets these two bodies conceal and perhaps reveal why they're so different from one another even though they inhabit such similar regions of the solar system. This mission will help us understand what the conditions were when Vesta and Ceres formed at the dawn of the solar system. It will fit more pieces in the grand puzzle of how our solar system formed and evolved â and perhaps how others do as well. Executing new cosmic maneuvers, exploring alien worlds, answering profound questions -- Dawn has it all. But Rayman thinks the most compelling aspect of missions like Dawn may be that we are, in a sense, going along for a deep-space ride. Dawn is taking us all on a virtual trip through the cosmos. It's not just a mission by the JPL team, or by NASA, or by the U.S and its partner countries. It's a mission of humankind -- something that represents all of us who share a spirit of adventure and curiosity, a passion for exploration. It's an extension of ourselves into the universe. As one Star Trek crew member with particularly pointy ears would say -- Fascinating. Author: Dauna Coulter Editor: Dr. Tony Phillips Credit: scie...@nasa __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Almahata Meteorite (Asteroid 2008 TC3)
http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/April10/AlmahataSitta.html Asteroid, Meteor, Meteorite Planetary Science Research Discoveries April 30, 2010 --- Detected in space less than a day before hitting Earth, the Almahata Sitta meteorite from asteroid 2008 TC3 gives clues to the complex evolution of small asteroids. Written by Linda M. V. Martel Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology Almahata Sitta is the name identifying the collection of meteorite remnants of the first observed fall of a tracked asteroid, 2008 TC3 . Ground-based observatories, orbiting satellites, a pilot of a commercial airline flight, and eyewitnesses of the fireball in the Nubian Desert of northern Sudan all observed evidence of the spectacular events on October 6, 2008. The first meteorites were recovered two months later in Sudan by students and staff from the University of Khartoum (Sudan) led by Dr. Muawia Shaddad and further guided by Dr. Peter Jenniskens of the SETI Institute and NASA Ames Research Center (Mt. View, California). A session at the 41st Lunar and Planetary Science Conference held March 1-5, 2010 focused on ureilitic asteroids and insights from Almahata Sitta, and forms the basis for this article. Rather than discuss the results of each of the talks and posters presented at the conference, I highlight what makes the impact, recovery, and characterization of the ureilite meteorite fragments so outstanding. The complete listing of authors and topics is available in the conference program (see reference link below). Reference: * Session at the (2010) 41st Lunar and Planetary Science Conference-- Ureilitic Asteroids: Insights from Almahata Sitta Full set of abstracts (pdf) from talks and links to posters LPSC_ureiliteAbstracts.pdf. * Jenniskens, P. and 34 coauthors (2009) The Impact and Recovery of Asteroid 2008 TC3 . /Nature,/ v. 458, doi: 10.1038/nature07920. The Story of Asteroid 2008 TC3 In the early morning of October 6, 2008 an asteroid close to Earth was detected by a Catalina Sky Survey (CSS) telescope at Mount Lemmon, Arizona. The CSS, begun in 1998, is the only near-Earth object survey covering both Northern and Southern hemispheres and obtains about 20 gigabytes of data with each of its three telescopes per night. Observers do near-real-time analysis of Earth-approaching objects, which was the case when CSS observer Richard Kowalski discovered the small (2-meter-diameter) object beyond the orbit of the Moon and moving toward Earth at 12 kilometers per second. The Catalina Sky Survey immediately alerted scientists at the Minor Planet Center in Cambridge, MA and NASA's Near Earth Object Program in Pasadena, CA. From the measured orbital parameters of the asteroid, the scientists calculated the asteroid would hit Earth's atmosphere over the Sudan within 19 hours. Though observatories around the world, both professional and amateur, rapidly supplied additional positional measurements, this asteroid posed no threat because of its small size. It was simply expected to disintegrate and burn up in the atmosphere. [Watch this video interview Catalina Sky Survey Keeps an Eye on the Skies http://uanews.org/node/23269 from the University of Arizona News.] As it entered Earth's atmosphere, the asteroid compressed and heated the air in front of it, heating itself and releasing a tremendous amount of light and energy. In those dark, wee hours of the morning on October 7, 2008 a KLM airlines pilot and co-pilot (who had received an alert about the incoming asteroid from the KLM dispatcher) were flying at an altitude of 10,700 meters over Chad and saw three or four short flashes of light beyond the horizon. Other reports of the asteroid's entry into the atmosphere came from U.S. satellites and infrasound signals from at least one ground station. A brief flash was even captured by an infrared channel on the weather satellite Meteosat-8. It disintegrated and exploded at an altitude of 37 kilometers. A high-altitude train of residual clouds lit up the early dawn sky. The event was remarkable in itself because it was the first time an asteroid was detected and tracked in space before impacting Earth's atmosphere. Even more remarkable is the notion that pieces of this first observed fall of a tracked asteroid could be held in the palm of your hand. Finding Fragments of Asteroid 2008 TC3 The first field expedition to hunt for meteorites from asteroid 2008 TC3 was organized on December 2-9, 2008 led by Dr. Muawia Shaddad (University of Khartoum, Sudan) and further guided by Dr. Peter Jenniskens (SETI Institute and NASA Ames Research Center, Mt. View, California). The location was Nahr an Nil in the Nubian Desert of Sudan. Students and staff from the university lined up, side by side along a kilometer line, to walk in a coordinated search
Re: [meteorite-list] How Capt. Kirk Changed the World (Dawn)
On Wed, 5 May 2010 15:58:01 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: How Capt. Kirk Changed the World NASA Science News I haven't read the article, but I assme that it was with his rendition of Rocketman? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN3MGN899yE Although some historians argue that Spock had the greater influence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC73PHdQX04feature=related __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Arizonans Find Largest Meteorite Fragment From Spectacular Midwestern Fall
http://uanews.org/node/31788 Arizonans Find Largest Meteorite Fragment From Spectacular Midwestern Fall By Jeff Harrison University of Arizona May 4, 2010 UA meteorite curator Marvin Killgore has a 300-gram piece of the object that exploded over Wisconsin in April. People in southwestern Wisconsin and northern Iowa on April 14 witnessed a sonic boom and a fireball that briefly - and spectacularly - lit up the late evening sky. It was the result of an ancient rock that ended its 4.5 billion year journey through the solar system in a ball of flames entering Earth's atmosphere. NASA officials estimated that the rock, a meteoroid some 3.3 feet across, blew apart with the force equivalent to 20 tons of TNT. Videos of it are widely available on the Internet. And it also set off what one meteorite hunter called the ultimate Easter egg hunt. Marvin Killgore, the curator of meteorites for the Lunar and http://cos.arizona.edu/sci_departments/planetary_sciences.asp Planetary Laboratory at the University of Arizona, and his wife, Kitty, were among the first of a phalanx of meteorite hunters from around the world to arrive in Mineral Point, Wisc., just days after the sighting. To date, the Killgores have what may be the largest fragment of the meteorite, a pristine chunk of space rock weighing about 300 grams, although Marvin Killgore said rumors of a larger meteorite are circulating. The Killgores work with NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory scientist Marc Fries on locating meteorites. They use Doppler weather radar sites on the Internet to triangulate the trajectory of objects heading through the atmosphere to the ground. Much like atmospheric clouds, exploding meteoroids create clouds of debris that are picked up as radar signatures and form a strewn field, the zone that encompasses the area where pieces of the meteorite land. This particular object was a breccia, a conglomerate of rocks embedded in a fine-grained rock matrix. It most likely came from the asteroid belt orbiting the Sun between Mars and Jupiter. Killgore estimated the rock first detonated at 30 kilometers - about 18 miles above the Earth's surface - with the first radar signature occurring at about 30,000 feet, sending a two-mile wide,14-mile-long shower of fragments into the Wisconsin countryside. The Killgores, along with their daughter and son-in-law, Laura and Nick Center, drove straight through from Arizona to Wisconsin almost as soon as they heard about it. They were not alone. Marvin Killgore said there were about 100 other meteorite hunters in Mineral Point the day they arrived, combing through the freshly plowed fields, grass-lined fences and roadways for a prize. Mineral Point, a farm community midway between Madison and Dubuque, Iowa, had become Ground Zero for the meteorite fall. The pieces can fall anywhere, Killgore said. It's basically like tossing a handful of gravel into the grass and then see if you can find them. Finding them generally involves a lot of walking. We have a metal detector, but there is so much metallic farm debris in the fields from tractors and other equipment that we just use our eyes and magnets, said Kitty Killgore. The magnets are attached to walking sticks that aid in finding meteorites made of iron or are high in iron content. The Killgores found their meteorite on a road near a local candle factory. It had split into three pieces on impact, stamped with an impression from the gravel on the road where it hit. A sample from the meteorite found by a local farmer was sent to the University of Wisconsin and found to contain traces of magnesium, iron and silica compounds, as well as other common minerals like olivine and pyroxene. It also contained iron-nickel metal and iron sulfide, minerals typically found in primitive meteorites discovered on Earth. Some meteorites are valuable enough to fetch several thousand dollars on the market - part of the reason, Killgore said, why the number of meteorite hunters has grown dramatically in recent years as technology has made them easier to find. Easier but with no guarantees. He said many people will spend one or two thousand dollars and a couple of weeks at a site and come away empty-handed. A few will spend upwards of $50,000 at a potentially rich site with hopes of recouping their expenses and making a profit. Marvin and Kitty Killgore themselves have amassed one of the largest collections of meteorites in the world, more than six tons. The largest weighs nearly 1,600 pounds. Selling a fraction of the collection could let them live comfortably. Their goal instead is to keep the collection intact and in Arizona to be used for scientific investigation. That will include some public exhibits as well. One is scheduled for June 12-13 at the Foothills Mall in Tucson. The Wisconsin meteorite will be on display along with some major iron and stony-iron pieces. Marvin Killgore said there most likely are larger fragments from the Wisconsin meteor than
Re: [meteorite-list] Colorado School of Mines meteorite exhibit
Henry, Great photos, I love looking at meteorite photos! Thanks for sharing! Dave Myers - Original Message From: hxmendoza hxmend...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 6:22:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Colorado School of Mines meteorite exhibit Hello folks. I visited the School of Mines this past Saturday and too photos if their nice meteorite display. I posted them in an album in my profile on Facebook. I have absolutely no idea whether or not this link will work to get you there (not that computer savvy). I hope it works, if not please forgive. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2056333id=1069452107ref=mf Regards, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New to list
Welcome Henry: I think you will find a lot of wonderful and very helpful people both on the list and within the meteorite collecting community. I have found it both rewarding and highly educational. All the best, Greg S. Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 14:57:55 -0700 From: hxmend...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New to list Hello folks. I started collecting meteorites about two years ago. I have a small yet fairly modest collection. I bought my first few meteorites from Ann Black of Impactika. She was and is very nice and helpful. I have also purchased and become friendly with Mike Jensen though often busy he is very courteous and informative. Blaine Reed is also one whom I have purchased from and a great guy. I recently became friends with Gary Fujihara on facebook and three of my favorite meteorite slices have come from him. I very much admire him and his great mind as well as his take on things. I'm mostly a reader and look forward to learning from all of you. From time to time I may even post my own comments and view of things, ask questions, hopefully without losing my head for it!! LOL!! Regards to all, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New to list
Hi Henry, Welcome to the list. I'm a newcomer, too, and haven't yet lost my head with all my silly posts. Don't worry about it and just ask questions or comments. I agree Anne, Mike J., Blaine and Gary are all great people! There are tons more. Carl2 _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Correction to article re: NEXRAD Doppler images of Wisconsin bolide
Hi All, Sent this reply to the list last night, but it appears to have disappeared into cyberspace. Resending: - - - - - Marvin is mistaken about the first radar return being at only 30,000 feet (assuming the article has quoted him correctly). The initial radar return was at 28.3 km (~93,000') +/- 3 km. The 14-mile-long shower of fragments is also an underestimate. The actual distance, based on strong radar returns, is at least 30 miles. Cheers, Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 4:06 PM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Arizonans Find Largest Meteorite Fragment FromSpectacular Midwestern Fall http://uanews.org/node/31788 Arizonans Find Largest Meteorite Fragment From Spectacular Midwestern Fall By Jeff Harrison University of Arizona May 4, 2010 UA meteorite curator Marvin Killgore has a 300-gram piece of the object that exploded over Wisconsin in April. People in southwestern Wisconsin and northern Iowa on April 14 witnessed a sonic boom and a fireball that briefly - and spectacularly - lit up the late evening sky. It was the result of an ancient rock that ended its 4.5 billion year journey through the solar system in a ball of flames entering Earth's atmosphere. NASA officials estimated that the rock, a meteoroid some 3.3 feet across, blew apart with the force equivalent to 20 tons of TNT. Videos of it are widely available on the Internet. And it also set off what one meteorite hunter called the ultimate Easter egg hunt. Marvin Killgore, the curator of meteorites for the Lunar and http://cos.arizona.edu/sci_departments/planetary_sciences.asp Planetary Laboratory at the University of Arizona, and his wife, Kitty, were among the first of a phalanx of meteorite hunters from around the world to arrive in Mineral Point, Wisc., just days after the sighting. To date, the Killgores have what may be the largest fragment of the meteorite, a pristine chunk of space rock weighing about 300 grams, although Marvin Killgore said rumors of a larger meteorite are circulating. The Killgores work with NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory scientist Marc Fries on locating meteorites. They use Doppler weather radar sites on the Internet to triangulate the trajectory of objects heading through the atmosphere to the ground. Much like atmospheric clouds, exploding meteoroids create clouds of debris that are picked up as radar signatures and form a strewn field, the zone that encompasses the area where pieces of the meteorite land. This particular object was a breccia, a conglomerate of rocks embedded in a fine-grained rock matrix. It most likely came from the asteroid belt orbiting the Sun between Mars and Jupiter. Killgore estimated the rock first detonated at 30 kilometers - about 18 miles above the Earth's surface - with the first radar signature occurring at about 30,000 feet, sending a two-mile wide,14-mile-long shower of fragments into the Wisconsin countryside. The Killgores, along with their daughter and son-in-law, Laura and Nick Center, drove straight through from Arizona to Wisconsin almost as soon as they heard about it. They were not alone. Marvin Killgore said there were about 100 other meteorite hunters in Mineral Point the day they arrived, combing through the freshly plowed fields, grass-lined fences and roadways for a prize. Mineral Point, a farm community midway between Madison and Dubuque, Iowa, had become Ground Zero for the meteorite fall. The pieces can fall anywhere, Killgore said. It's basically like tossing a handful of gravel into the grass and then see if you can find them. Finding them generally involves a lot of walking. We have a metal detector, but there is so much metallic farm debris in the fields from tractors and other equipment that we just use our eyes and magnets, said Kitty Killgore. The magnets are attached to walking sticks that aid in finding meteorites made of iron or are high in iron content. The Killgores found their meteorite on a road near a local candle factory. It had split into three pieces on impact, stamped with an impression from the gravel on the road where it hit. A sample from the meteorite found by a local farmer was sent to the University of Wisconsin and found to contain traces of magnesium, iron and silica compounds, as well as other common minerals like olivine and pyroxene. It also contained iron-nickel metal and iron sulfide, minerals typically found in primitive meteorites discovered on Earth. Some meteorites are valuable enough to fetch several thousand dollars on the market - part of the reason, Killgore said, why the number of meteorite hunters has grown dramatically in recent years as technology has made them easier to find. Easier but with no guarantees. He said many people will spend one or two thousand dollars and a couple of weeks at a site and come away
Re: [meteorite-list] New to list
Thank you all for a nice welcome! Regards, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
Okay so here is my first help request. A couple of weeks ago at the spring Denver gem and mineral show, I bought a supposed NWA classified meteorite from a dealer (whom I will not name as yet). The weather was awful that entire weekend and he hadn't gotten everything out if his van because if it. So the label for that endpiece was misplaced. I went back all three days and he had not found it yet. So we swapped info and he said he would try to find the label for it well as of today no luck. So I'm starting to think that my classified NWA that I paid a little over $1.00 a gram for is inevitably just going to stat an UNWA that I therefore overpaid for. But I called him a little while ago and now he says he found one orphaned label that says Kunya-Urgench so he thinks it might be that but he's not sure. There are very few pics of Kunya slices on the internet. Of the polished faces I was able to find only one looked like mine, on the Met Bulletin. The rest seemed different. Those had alot of white or gray in the matrix, whereas mine has a predominantly orangish/ tan matrix with lots of dark brown flecks interspersed throughout. So I'm doubtful but can't quite rule it out because of the one little pictured slice that does look like mine. So, does anyone have any Kunya-Urgench, or have any experience with it that if I sent you pics of my endpiece you could help me rule out or in this murky ID? Oh and the outside crust looks like what you see on NWA's in color and texture. HELP!! On a good note. I did get a nice Crusted fragment of Trilby Wash from him. Larry Sloan was there and verified that one. Regards, Henry Mendoza Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New to list
Welcome Henry; I hope you enjoy this list and look forward to reading your posts.There is a great deal of information that comes through here from time to time,i mostly enjoy reading and not cluttering the list with my comments and wit.I also hope you enjoy your collecting meteorites as i have for many years now.It is a great hobby and ,i think,a unique one in this day and age.Good luck and again,Welcome! Herman Archer IMCA # 2770 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands
Hello David, All, I spent the weekend camping with some friends and somehow managed to get type-A strep. by the day we returned, so I'm just getting back into the swing of things. I have a few other emails to get back to, which I'll do in short order. This is nothing new, and has been the policy of the government/BLM with regards to meteorites for time indeterminate. It's why the Smithsonian was able to claim the Old Woman meteorite, but, to date, they haven't bothered to confiscate (m)any others, to my knowledge. The current wording of that BLM site is a little unsettling, though, because it states, To report illegal collecting or vandalism call... Even if meteorites found on BLM land belong to the Smithsonian, that shouldn't necessarily mean that collecting them is illegal. As has been noted in the past, the vast majority of meteorites found in the US are classified and named, and in most, if not all cases, it is no question as to who found or owns them. If the only thing keeping these meteorites from the Smithsonian is the fact that the Smithsonian isn't asking for the meteorites (assuming that people would hand them over if asked), it shouldn't be illegal to collect meteorites on public land. But there are a few problems with the BLM's interpretation of the 1906 Antiquities Act. See here: http://www.nps.gov/history/local-law/anti1906.htm Are meteorites really objects of antiquity? In a literal sense, I can see what they mean - yes, they're old, but the act seems to be referring to antiques of a particularly man-made nature - namely artifacts and archaeological sites. In fact, the act refers exclusively to archaeological sites and artifacts throughout its entire body of text, so I'm really not sure where rocks and minerals fall under it. They don't seem to. As such, I believe that the justification of this law with regards to meteorites could well be successfully challenged in court -- but I doubt that it will come to that...but I suppose we'll find out when the BLM starts prosecuting people for finding new meteoritesif it ever happens. Of course, it should still be noted that any meteorites found on BLM land, if they don't fall under the 1906 Antiquities Act, would fall under the guidelines that the BLM has set for rocks and minerals, thus restricting the mass that can be collected in any given year to a set amount (250 lbs if I'm not mistaken) -- and prohibiting the commercial sale of any materials recovered. Regards, Jason On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:05 PM, James Balister balisterja...@att.net wrote: I like this part! Leave no human remains! Or foot prints! Do they mean dead people? Please remember not to leave any modern day artifacts or human remains of your own (haul out your trash from remote areas), take only photographs and leave only footprints on designated paths. - Original Message From: David Norton renov8hot...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 7:40:08 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands Apparently the BLM is taking the stance that meteorites fall under the federal antiquities act. A link to the BLM Oregon site. This is allegedly going to be on every BLM site soon. http://www.blm.gov/or/programs/minerals/noncollectables.php __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
Hello , Here are some links that may get you started. Odd to me that it's touted as a classified NWA and then you are given that name as the possible identifier. Who trades meteorites in this manner?? He may as well have found the 'Do Not Remove Under Penalty Of Law' tag under the van's seat. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=12379 http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg55471.html http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2000/pdf/1397.pdf http://web.ru/conf/khitariada/1-2006/informbul-1_2006/planet-5e.pdf The ref to the 2007 Metlist is interesting. Post us some pictures of your stone. Warren Sansoucie Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 17:37:22 -0700 From: hxmend...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench Okay so here is my first help request. A couple of weeks ago at the spring Denver gem and mineral show, I bought a supposed NWA classified meteorite from a dealer (whom I will not name as yet). The weather was awful that entire weekend and he hadn't gotten everything out if his van because if it. So the label for that endpiece was misplaced. I went back all three days and he had not found it yet. So we swapped info and he said he would try to find the label for it well as of today no luck. So I'm starting to think that my classified NWA that I paid a little over $1.00 a gram for is inevitably just going to stat an UNWA that I therefore overpaid for. But I called him a little while ago and now he says he found one orphaned label that says Kunya-Urgench so he thinks it might be that but he's not sure. There are very few pics of Kunya slices on the internet. Of the polished faces I was able to find only one looked like mine, on the Met Bulletin. The rest seemed different. Those had alot of white or gray in the matrix, whereas mine has a predominantly orangish/ tan matrix with lots of dark brown flecks interspersed throughout. So I'm doubtful but can't quite rule it out because of the one little pictured slice that does look like mine. So, does anyone have any Kunya-Urgench, or have any experience with it that if I sent you pics of my endpiece you could help me rule out or in this murky ID? Oh and the outside crust looks like what you see on NWA's in color and texture. HELP!! On a good note. I did get a nice Crusted fragment of Trilby Wash from him. Larry Sloan was there and verified that one. Regards, Henry Mendoza Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
Hi Henry, Once a label is separated from a specimen and identification is No longer certain, a dealer should GIVE the specimen to a Child or beginning collector. If he is no longer certain of the identity Of a piece he sold, he should give you a full refund AND pay for shipping To return it (or negotiate a partial refund and you keep it if and only if you want it) Anything less would be unethical - I am not on the board of the IMCA which I am sure has a committee to address such circumstances, But I am confident that would be their response. Is the dealer a member of the IMCA? Do you want to keep the Piece (but receive compensation for it no being an Unidentified NWA Specimen?) Is the dealer open in his communication? All these are factors, but certainly you are due compensation. Best wishes, Michael PS: I can't tell you how many times I dropped VERY valuable small Frags on my caret and could not tell what piece I found and had to Abandon specimens worth $100 or more. Very frustrating, but a dealer Must be certain of identification. On 5/5/10 5:37 PM, hxmendoza hxmend...@yahoo.com wrote: Okay so here is my first help request. A couple of weeks ago at the spring Denver gem and mineral show, I bought a supposed NWA classified meteorite from a dealer (whom I will not name as yet). The weather was awful that entire weekend and he hadn't gotten everything out if his van because if it. So the label for that endpiece was misplaced. I went back all three days and he had not found it yet. So we swapped info and he said he would try to find the label for it well as of today no luck. So I'm starting to think that my classified NWA that I paid a little over $1.00 a gram for is inevitably just going to stat an UNWA that I therefore overpaid for. But I called him a little while ago and now he says he found one orphaned label that says Kunya-Urgench so he thinks it might be that but he's not sure. There are very few pics of Kunya slices on the internet. Of the polished faces I was able to find only one looked like mine, on the Met Bulletin. The rest seemed different. Those had alot of white or gray in the matrix, whereas mine has a predominantly orangish/ tan matrix with lots of dark brown flecks interspersed throughout. So I'm doubtful but can't quite rule it out because of the one little pictured slice that does look like mine. So, does anyone have any Kunya-Urgench, or have any experience with it that if I sent you pics of my endpiece you could help me rule out or in this murky ID? Oh and the outside crust looks like what you see on NWA's in color and texture. HELP!! On a good note. I did get a nice Crusted fragment of Trilby Wash from him. Larry Sloan was there and verified that one. Regards, Henry Mendoza Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New to list
Hi Henry, Welcome to the List, glad to have new collectors join our friendly community. Best Regards, Greg Hupe On May 5, 2010, at 4:57 PM, hxmendoza hxmend...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello folks. I started collecting meteorites about two years ago. I have a small yet fairly modest collection. I bought my first few meteorites from Ann Black of Impactika. She was and is very nice and helpful. I have also purchased and become friendly with Mike Jensen though often busy he is very courteous and informative. Blaine Reed is also one whom I have purchased from and a great guy. I recently became friends with Gary Fujihara on facebook and three of my favorite meteorite slices have come from him. I very much admire him and his great mind as well as his take on things. I'm mostly a reader and look forward to learning from all of you. From time to time I may even post my own comments and view of things, ask questions, hopefully without losing my head for it!! LOL!! Regards to all, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands
This is a new position. The previous / current (AZ BLM website) allowed for non commercial collecting of 25 lbs per day and a 250 LB annual maximum. This new posture very clearly states that National Parks and Public lands generally prohibit removal of rocks from them followed by Report illegal collecting or vandalism. National Parks have always been off limits, but not public lands in general. The website clearly characterizes all collecting on public lands as illegal. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jason Utas Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:55 PM To: Meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands Hello David, All, I spent the weekend camping with some friends and somehow managed to get type-A strep. by the day we returned, so I'm just getting back into the swing of things. I have a few other emails to get back to, which I'll do in short order. This is nothing new, and has been the policy of the government/BLM with regards to meteorites for time indeterminate. It's why the Smithsonian was able to claim the Old Woman meteorite, but, to date, they haven't bothered to confiscate (m)any others, to my knowledge. The current wording of that BLM site is a little unsettling, though, because it states, To report illegal collecting or vandalism call... Even if meteorites found on BLM land belong to the Smithsonian, that shouldn't necessarily mean that collecting them is illegal. As has been noted in the past, the vast majority of meteorites found in the US are classified and named, and in most, if not all cases, it is no question as to who found or owns them. If the only thing keeping these meteorites from the Smithsonian is the fact that the Smithsonian isn't asking for the meteorites (assuming that people would hand them over if asked), it shouldn't be illegal to collect meteorites on public land. But there are a few problems with the BLM's interpretation of the 1906 Antiquities Act. See here: http://www.nps.gov/history/local-law/anti1906.htm Are meteorites really objects of antiquity? In a literal sense, I can see what they mean - yes, they're old, but the act seems to be referring to antiques of a particularly man-made nature - namely artifacts and archaeological sites. In fact, the act refers exclusively to archaeological sites and artifacts throughout its entire body of text, so I'm really not sure where rocks and minerals fall under it. They don't seem to. As such, I believe that the justification of this law with regards to meteorites could well be successfully challenged in court -- but I doubt that it will come to that...but I suppose we'll find out when the BLM starts prosecuting people for finding new meteoritesif it ever happens. Of course, it should still be noted that any meteorites found on BLM land, if they don't fall under the 1906 Antiquities Act, would fall under the guidelines that the BLM has set for rocks and minerals, thus restricting the mass that can be collected in any given year to a set amount (250 lbs if I'm not mistaken) -- and prohibiting the commercial sale of any materials recovered. Regards, Jason On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:05 PM, James Balister balisterja...@att.net wrote: I like this part! Leave no human remains! Or foot prints! Do they mean dead people? Please remember not to leave any modern day artifacts or human remains of your own (haul out your trash from remote areas), take only photographs and leave only footprints on designated paths. - Original Message From: David Norton renov8hot...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 7:40:08 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands Apparently the BLM is taking the stance that meteorites fall under the federal antiquities act. A link to the BLM Oregon site. This is allegedly going to be on every BLM site soon. http://www.blm.gov/or/programs/minerals/noncollectables.php __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;meteorite-l...@meteoritece ntral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
I have to agree with Michael 110% on this. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Wed, 5/5/10, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench To: hxmendoza hxmend...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 9:14 PM Hi Henry, Once a label is separated from a specimen and identification is No longer certain, a dealer should GIVE the specimen to a Child or beginning collector. If he is no longer certain of the identity Of a piece he sold, he should give you a full refund AND pay for shipping To return it (or negotiate a partial refund and you keep it if and only if you want it) Anything less would be unethical - I am not on the board of the IMCA which I am sure has a committee to address such circumstances, But I am confident that would be their response. Is the dealer a member of the IMCA? Do you want to keep the Piece (but receive compensation for it no being an Unidentified NWA Specimen?) Is the dealer open in his communication? All these are factors, but certainly you are due compensation. Best wishes, Michael PS: I can't tell you how many times I dropped VERY valuable small Frags on my caret and could not tell what piece I found and had to Abandon specimens worth $100 or more. Very frustrating, but a dealer Must be certain of identification. On 5/5/10 5:37 PM, hxmendoza hxmend...@yahoo.com wrote: Okay so here is my first help request. A couple of weeks ago at the spring Denver gem and mineral show, I bought a supposed NWA classified meteorite from a dealer (whom I will not name as yet). The weather was awful that entire weekend and he hadn't gotten everything out if his van because if it. So the label for that endpiece was misplaced. I went back all three days and he had not found it yet. So we swapped info and he said he would try to find the label for it well as of today no luck. So I'm starting to think that my classified NWA that I paid a little over $1.00 a gram for is inevitably just going to stat an UNWA that I therefore overpaid for. But I called him a little while ago and now he says he found one orphaned label that says Kunya-Urgench so he thinks it might be that but he's not sure. There are very few pics of Kunya slices on the internet. Of the polished faces I was able to find only one looked like mine, on the Met Bulletin. The rest seemed different. Those had alot of white or gray in the matrix, whereas mine has a predominantly orangish/ tan matrix with lots of dark brown flecks interspersed throughout. So I'm doubtful but can't quite rule it out because of the one little pictured slice that does look like mine. So, does anyone have any Kunya-Urgench, or have any experience with it that if I sent you pics of my endpiece you could help me rule out or in this murky ID? Oh and the outside crust looks like what you see on NWA's in color and texture. HELP!! On a good note. I did get a nice Crusted fragment of Trilby Wash from him. Larry Sloan was there and verified that one. Regards, Henry Mendoza Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
Thanks for the advice Michael. I have no idea if he us with IMCA. He deals in minerals and fossils too. It's a pretty matrix. That's why I bought it anyway. Live and learn. Warren, did you get the pics of it that I sent you? And to anyone. How do I post pics onto this Met-list? Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 6, 2010
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Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
I also agree with M.B. I don't even think you can call this an UNWA. Right now it's an unclassified meteorite. If you can get your money back, that'll nice, but I'm afraid the seller may just resell it to some one else as Kunya-Urgench. Carl2 _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands
The previous / current (AZ BLM website) allowed for non commercial collecting of 25 lbs per day and a 250 LB annual maximum. Well, the problem is that you have a statement like this: National parks and public lands generally prohibit removal of rocks from them -- and it's just not true. Well, people aren't allowed to rockhound in national parks, I'll grant them that, but they have other pages that state that rockhounding is clearly allowed on BLM land: http://www.blm.gov/or/programs/minerals/rockhounding.php So...the 25 lb per day/250 lb per year regulations are probably still in effect, since that page refers to older regulations in its references. This new posture very clearly states that National Parks and Public lands generally prohibit removal of rocks from them followed by Report illegal collecting or vandalism. Right, but take a look at what I said about those statements in my last message. It's debatable as to whether or not the 1906 antiquities act *could* apply to meteorites, since every reference it contains pertains to archaeological artifacts and sites. If you read the text of it, that much is clear. And note that every meteorite found on public land has been the property of the Smithsonian, again, since...well, since at least 1976 (Old Woman). If you're saying this policy is new, how did the Smithsonian manage to claim the Old Woman meteorite? What different law were they evoking, and if it was a different one (i.e. 'things have changed'), does it really matter, because even if there has been some sort of a policy change, if the end result is that the Smithsonian can claim finds...I see no difference. If, on the other hand, you're suggesting that their approach to regulating the collecting of meteorites from public lands has changed in that they are now stating that it is illegal, whereas before the meteorites found simply belonged to the Smithsonian...and somehow keeping and selling them for a commercial gain was considered legal...well, again -- I'll consider this a problem when I hear about someone getting arrested for collecting meteorites on public land. It's one thing to say something on a website, and it's another matter to make it active policy. National Parks have always been off limits, but not public lands in general. The website clearly characterizes all collecting on public lands as illegal. Again, take a look at the page for which I just included a link. Rock collecting in general is clearly allowed. Jason -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jason Utas Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:55 PM To: Meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands Hello David, All, I spent the weekend camping with some friends and somehow managed to get type-A strep. by the day we returned, so I'm just getting back into the swing of things. I have a few other emails to get back to, which I'll do in short order. This is nothing new, and has been the policy of the government/BLM with regards to meteorites for time indeterminate. It's why the Smithsonian was able to claim the Old Woman meteorite, but, to date, they haven't bothered to confiscate (m)any others, to my knowledge. The current wording of that BLM site is a little unsettling, though, because it states, To report illegal collecting or vandalism call... Even if meteorites found on BLM land belong to the Smithsonian, that shouldn't necessarily mean that collecting them is illegal. As has been noted in the past, the vast majority of meteorites found in the US are classified and named, and in most, if not all cases, it is no question as to who found or owns them. If the only thing keeping these meteorites from the Smithsonian is the fact that the Smithsonian isn't asking for the meteorites (assuming that people would hand them over if asked), it shouldn't be illegal to collect meteorites on public land. But there are a few problems with the BLM's interpretation of the 1906 Antiquities Act. See here: http://www.nps.gov/history/local-law/anti1906.htm Are meteorites really objects of antiquity? In a literal sense, I can see what they mean - yes, they're old, but the act seems to be referring to antiques of a particularly man-made nature - namely artifacts and archaeological sites. In fact, the act refers exclusively to archaeological sites and artifacts throughout its entire body of text, so I'm really not sure where rocks and minerals fall under it. They don't seem to. As such, I believe that the justification of this law with regards to meteorites could well be successfully challenged in court -- but I doubt that it will come to that...but I suppose we'll find out when the BLM starts prosecuting people for finding new meteoritesif it ever happens. Of course, it should still be noted that any meteorites found on BLM land, if they
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
Thanks for the responses folks. I've tried replying to some of you emails directly. I hope you received them as I don't know how it works when the emails are sent thru this list. I work graveyards eight on and six off. Tonite is the first day of my eight day stretch so it's off to work I go. I will try to send pics of my mystery endpiece over the next couple days or so to whomever asks for them, as time permits. I sent them to Gary Fujihara as he said he may post them thru his website for me. Thanks once again Gary. Oh and did I tell you folks that Gary's a swell guy?! LOL!! Ann thank you. And yes I don't believe the dealer in question to be deceitful just very disorganized. I really believe that. Martin, my endpiece matrix does not look like that. On the Meteorite Bulletin listing for the Kunya, the only puc that matches mine is the one posted by a person called Brice D. Hornback, or something like that. It's a little slice in an acrylic box. Gotta go. If work permits I'll keep reading. Nite to you all. Regards, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
The reply button will send to the person who's post you are repling to. The reply all will sent to the list also. Hope that helps some. Greg C Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: hxmendoza hxmend...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 18:59:27 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench Thanks for the responses folks. I've tried replying to some of you emails directly. I hope you received them as I don't know how it works when the emails are sent thru this list. I work graveyards eight on and six off. Tonite is the first day of my eight day stretch so it's off to work I go. I will try to send pics of my mystery endpiece over the next couple days or so to whomever asks for them, as time permits. I sent them to Gary Fujihara as he said he may post them thru his website for me. Thanks once again Gary. Oh and did I tell you folks that Gary's a swell guy?! LOL!! Ann thank you. And yes I don't believe the dealer in question to be deceitful just very disorganized. I really believe that. Martin, my endpiece matrix does not look like that. On the Meteorite Bulletin listing for the Kunya, the only puc that matches mine is the one posted by a person called Brice D. Hornback, or something like that. It's a little slice in an acrylic box. Gotta go. If work permits I'll keep reading. Nite to you all. Regards, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands
Respectfully (and not to be taken as legal advice): I don't see how this is really new either, although different states occasionally have different readings of the various rules/antiquity laws. Some BLM state websites choose to make people more aware of certain laws than others. The Old Woman meteorite case occured in 1975, on California BLM, and referred to the Antiquities Act : Since the meteorite was on public land administered by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), the prospectors filed a mining claim on the site. To their disappointment they learned that meteorites were not a locatable mineral as defined by the mining law. Instead, under the provisions of the Antiquities Act, meteorites found on public land were considered objects of scientific interest and therefore should go to the Smithsonian Institution. Regarding the 25 lbs per day or 250 lbs : that has always been the BLM rule regarding petrified wood in all states: BLM regulations allow the collection of 25 pounds per day of petrified wood plus one piece, provided that the total removed by one person does not exceed 250 pounds in one callendar year. Pooling of quotas to obtain pieces larger than 250 pounds is not allowed. (43CFR3622.4) So I guess Arizona for a while decided to follow the petrified wood rules regarding meteorities rather than the Antiquities rules. As far as I can tell, there are no specific rules regarding meteorities: http://www.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/cfrassemble.cgi?title=200343 http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/43cfrv2_03.html It depends on each state's BLM's interpretation of the rules and what they decide to update their website with. - YvW On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 8:25 PM, David Norton renov8hot...@earthlink.net wrote: This is a new position. The previous / current (AZ BLM website) allowed for non commercial collecting of 25 lbs per day and a 250 LB annual maximum. This new posture very clearly states that National Parks and Public lands generally prohibit removal of rocks from them followed by Report illegal collecting or vandalism. National Parks have always been off limits, but not public lands in general. The website clearly characterizes all collecting on public lands as illegal. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
Hello all, I happen to know the dealer in question; Henry told me and I have known him for quite some time. He is not really a meteorite dealer, he only has a few, he is a fossil guy, and does not seem to really understand the importane of proper identification. Or apparently proper record-keeping! Also I don't believe he is dishonest, just tremendouly disorganized. And he is not a member of the IMCA. I hope that helps. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ In a message dated 5/5/2010 7:43:13 PM Mountain Daylight Time, carloselgua...@hotmail.com writes: I also agree with M.B. I don't even think you can call this an UNWA. Right now it's an unclassified meteorite. If you can get your money back, that'll nice, but I'm afraid the seller may just resell it to some one else as Kunya-Urgench. Carl2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
Henry Mendoza's specimen, possibly Kunya-Urgench: http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/KU.jpg On May 5, 2010, at 3:59 PM, hxmendoza wrote: Thanks for the responses folks. I've tried replying to some of you emails directly. I hope you received them as I don't know how it works when the emails are sent thru this list. I work graveyards eight on and six off. Tonite is the first day of my eight day stretch so it's off to work I go. I will try to send pics of my mystery endpiece over the next couple days or so to whomever asks for them, as time permits. I sent them to Gary Fujihara as he said he may post them thru his website for me. Thanks once again Gary. Oh and did I tell you folks that Gary's a swell guy?! LOL!! Ann thank you. And yes I don't believe the dealer in question to be deceitful just very disorganized. I really believe that. Martin, my endpiece matrix does not look like that. On the Meteorite Bulletin listing for the Kunya, the only puc that matches mine is the one posted by a person called Brice D. Hornback, or something like that. It's a little slice in an acrylic box. Gotta go. If work permits I'll keep reading. Nite to you all. Regards, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 6, 2010
G'Day Michael and List That is awesome, but then again it's not a surprise. Sean is an exceptional person and this just goes to show. Well done mate, my hat's off to you. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 6:37 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 6, 2010 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_6_2010.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 540
Listoids Can somebody donate/sell/trade a suitable specimen of NWA 540 so I can have this thin-sectioned and webpublish the micrographs - pref a carefully selected thin-cut specimen ready for thin-sectioning Please contact me off-list Bob WALKER http;//www.qmig.net __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (AD) DISPLAY CASE FORSALE
Hi list.I have a 3 ft. x 5 ft. display case forsale. This housed my old meteorite collection for 5 years. It has 10 shelfs to hold 100 riker boxes or up to 120 loosely positioned meteorites. This was hand made for me in 2005 and is customed made out of beautiful wood. I am asking $250 and this will be a local pick-up only.Pictures upon request. Also I'll be returning to the wisconsin fields for hunting on may 15th really early. If someone from the area would like to carpool let me know off list. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
No photos can be posted directly on the List. If you can host it elsewhere, you can then post the URL for others to reach it. Another oddity is that the List accepts only postings in plain text, not HTML. Welcome to the fussy old List. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: hxmendoza hxmend...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench Thanks for the advice Michael. I have no idea if he us with IMCA. He deals in minerals and fossils too. It's a pretty matrix. That's why I bought it anyway. Live and learn. Warren, did you get the pics of it that I sent you? And to anyone. How do I post pics onto this Met-list? Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
G'Day List, Welcome Henry. Sterling, Good advice. Henry, Also if you could post your pictures somewhere that doesn't require registration, information (i.e. Facebook) would really be appreciated. Cheers John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 7:34 PM To: hxmendoza; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench No photos can be posted directly on the List. If you can host it elsewhere, you can then post the URL for others to reach it. Another oddity is that the List accepts only postings in plain text, not HTML. Welcome to the fussy old List. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: hxmendoza hxmend...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench Thanks for the advice Michael. I have no idea if he us with IMCA. He deals in minerals and fossils too. It's a pretty matrix. That's why I bought it anyway. Live and learn. Warren, did you get the pics of it that I sent you? And to anyone. How do I post pics onto this Met-list? Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New to list
Hi, Good to see you here, I started collecting almost two years ago myself.. Well, actually my first meteorites are irons - a couple of Nantans, an etched Gibeon coin, and a shrapnel I think of the Campo (which i lost the label to but I recall it saying it's from Argentina), which I got 4 or 5 years ago... they haven't rusted away on me (including the Nantans). Until I learned more about these space rocks and found out about chondrites about a year and a half ago (when I started getting more and more into the hobby), I thought irons were the most common type of meteorite.. lol It was then that I began adding a bunch of NWAs into my collection, as well as some falls, famous finds and hammers. Welcome to the list! --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! - Original Message From: hxmendoza hxmend...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 2:57:55 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New to list Hello folks. I started collecting meteorites about two years ago. I have a small yet fairly modest collection. I bought my first few meteorites from Ann Black of Impactika. She was and is very nice and helpful. I have also purchased and become friendly with Mike Jensen though often busy he is very courteous and informative. Blaine Reed is also one whom I have purchased from and a great guy. I recently became friends with Gary Fujihara on facebook and three of my favorite meteorite slices have come from him. I very much admire him and his great mind as well as his take on things. I'm mostly a reader and look forward to learning from all of you. From time to time I may even post my own comments and view of things, ask questions, hopefully without losing my head for it!! LOL!! Regards to all, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands
The Smithsonian doesn't own all meteorites found on BLM land. The Antiquities law doesn't cover meteorites. The only reason the Old Woman was taken by the Smithsonian is because it exceeded the annual weight limit of 250 pounds for any mineral. The finders should have kept it secret, hacked off 25 pound pieces each for 8 days in a year to reach their combined 500 pound limit and then returned in subsequent years. The twisting of the old 1906 law to cover meteorites is grasping and would never stand up in federal court. Several politicians are avid rock hounds and would not stand for it. I am glad to live in Nevada instead of a state like Washington where I used to live who seem to have no problem violating personal rights by making such statements on their uniformed website. It seem un-American to me. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com To: David Norton renov8hot...@earthlink.net; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 6:47:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands The previous / current (AZ BLM website) allowed for non commercial collecting of 25 lbs per day and a 250 LB annual maximum. Well, the problem is that you have a statement like this: National parks and public lands generally prohibit removal of rocks from them -- and it's just not true. Well, people aren't allowed to rockhound in national parks, I'll grant them that, but they have other pages that state that rockhounding is clearly allowed on BLM land: http://www.blm.gov/or/programs/minerals/rockhounding.php So...the 25 lb per day/250 lb per year regulations are probably still in effect, since that page refers to older regulations in its references. This new posture very clearly states that National Parks and Public lands generally prohibit removal of rocks from them followed by Report illegal collecting or vandalism. Right, but take a look at what I said about those statements in my last message. It's debatable as to whether or not the 1906 antiquities act *could* apply to meteorites, since every reference it contains pertains to archaeological artifacts and sites. If you read the text of it, that much is clear. And note that every meteorite found on public land has been the property of the Smithsonian, again, since...well, since at least 1976 (Old Woman). If you're saying this policy is new, how did the Smithsonian manage to claim the Old Woman meteorite? What different law were they evoking, and if it was a different one (i.e. 'things have changed'), does it really matter, because even if there has been some sort of a policy change, if the end result is that the Smithsonian can claim finds...I see no difference. If, on the other hand, you're suggesting that their approach to regulating the collecting of meteorites from public lands has changed in that they are now stating that it is illegal, whereas before the meteorites found simply belonged to the Smithsonian...and somehow keeping and selling them for a commercial gain was considered legal...well, again -- I'll consider this a problem when I hear about someone getting arrested for collecting meteorites on public land. It's one thing to say something on a website, and it's another matter to make it active policy. National Parks have always been off limits, but not public lands in general. The website clearly characterizes all collecting on public lands as illegal. Again, take a look at the page for which I just included a link. Rock collecting in general is clearly allowed. Jason -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jason Utas Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 5:55 PM To: Meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands Hello David, All, I spent the weekend camping with some friends and somehow managed to get type-A strep. by the day we returned, so I'm just getting back into the swing of things. I have a few other emails to get back to, which I'll do in short order. This is nothing new, and has been the policy of the government/BLM with regards to meteorites for time indeterminate. It's why the Smithsonian was able to claim the Old Woman meteorite, but, to date, they haven't bothered to confiscate (m)any others, to my knowledge. The current wording of that BLM site is a little unsettling, though, because it states, To report illegal collecting or vandalism call... Even if meteorites found on BLM land belong to the Smithsonian, that shouldn't necessarily mean that collecting them is illegal. As has been noted in the past, the vast majority of meteorites found in the US are classified and named, and in most, if not all cases, it is no question as to who found or owns them. If the only thing keeping these meteorites from the Smithsonian is the fact that the Smithsonian
