Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite inclusions
Hello, Yes, Almahata Sitta contains ureilitic, chondritic, enstatite material, and very recently organic matter was also found in it. And yes, it is all one meteorite, that question has already been discussed and answered. If you go to the Meteorite-Stones page of my website, you will see the link to the Almahata Sitta page, here it is: _http://www.impactika.com/ASitta.doc_ (http://www.impactika.com/ASitta.doc) At the bottom of the page you will find the Abstract, and here is the paragraph you are looking for: "Cosmogenic radioisotopes: Cosmogenic isotopes were measured by means of -ray spectroscopy in two chondritic fragments (MS-D and MS-CH) of the Almahata Sitta strewn field. The detection of 46Sc (half life: 83.8d) in MS-CH, of 54Mn (half life: 312.2d) and 57Co (half life: 271.8d) in both samples clearly indicates that these fragments result from a very recent meteorite fall consistent with the Almahata Sitta fall 14 months ago" Professor Bischoff, Muenster University, Germany. So Yes, Barry, it can happen, but it is extremely rare. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/10/2010 12:46:08 AM Mountain Daylight Time, miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca writes: Almahatta Sitta(sp) consists of urelitic and chondritic, though I wonder of both were found in a single stone of that fall? --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Barry Hughes To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 7:03:52 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite inclusions Could one actually have a chondrite and a achonrite in the same rock? Thanks... Barry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Strange UNWA
Hi, just wondering if anybody ever came across anything like this. I found these when cleaning a bunch of UNWA rocks for a work give-a-way. That's a mm magnet sticking to them. http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0321.jpg http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0320.jpg http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0319.jpg http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0318.jpg http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0317.jpg http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0316.jpg __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite inclusions
The enigma stone is awesome, but not too surprising. A howardite is made up of a certain amount of Eucrite and Diogenite mixed together. I'm sure that there is likely several stones from howardite falls that might be similar. The nwa 1929 strewnfield yielded both Eucrite and Howardite stones. Its not too far of a reach to think that there may well be stones that contain both, perhaps all 3 types that make up a howardite from that field. A step further, I have a Eucrite that has portions that could be howardite, but the overall make up of the tested stone shows it to plot along the Eucrite line due to the total amount of diogenite (or lack of) in the material. Almahata Sitta seems to be the classic "rubble pile" you read about. A mess of smaller material that has grown to form a larger mass over time. I am willing to bet that its not uncommon at all to have a variety of material from a single fall. It would just depend on the region of the stone you sample. I had a stone from the WI fall that had a different matrix then most others - less of the lighter inclusions, more darker material and what looked to be some areas of a mix of the light and dark material. It was not like that the entire stone... when we first started cutting, it looked like the "normal" WI stones. That's the same thing that happened with my angrite. NWA 6291 is paired with NWA 2999 but looks nothing like it. The first few slices of it looked like what NWA 2999 looks like. Only after those few slices did the awesome anorthite and spinel content start showing up. Hope everyone is doing good, Greg C Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Melanie Matthews Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 23:45:57 To: Barry Hughes; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite inclusions Hi, Haven't heard of specifically heard of what you speak of.. Though not that long ago the Hupes were selling complete slices of an NWA which was dubbed the "enigma stone" - it had inclusions and even parts of howardites, diogenites, eucrites and if i'm not mistaken... chondritic material also (all in one stone!)? Almahatta Sitta(sp) consists of urelitic and chondritic, though I wonder of both were found in a single stone of that fall? --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Barry Hughes To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 7:03:52 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite inclusions Could one actually have a chondrite and a achonrite in the same rock? Thanks... Barry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange UNWA
A 1 cm magnet:) On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Barry Hughes wrote: > Hi, just wondering if anybody ever came across anything like this. I > found these when cleaning a bunch of UNWA rocks for a work give-a-way. > That's a mm magnet sticking to them. > > http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0321.jpg > > http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0320.jpg > > http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0319.jpg > > http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0318.jpg > > http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0317.jpg > > http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0316.jpg > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange UNWA
1 CM...:) On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Barry Hughes wrote: > Hi, just wondering if anybody ever came across anything like this. I > found these when cleaning a bunch of UNWA rocks for a work give-a-way. > That's a mm magnet sticking to them. > > http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0321.jpg > > http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0320.jpg > > http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0319.jpg > > http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0318.jpg > > http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0317.jpg > > http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0316.jpg > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange UNWA
Hi Barry, I came across a single small stone that appears very similar to yours a few weeks ago when sorting and cleaning a batch of UNWA's. I'll try to image it tomorrow evening and post for a comparison. I have no clue about what it is though. Mine's an oldie though...perhaps part of the terrestrializing process? Matthew Quoting Barry Hughes : Hi, just wondering if anybody ever came across anything like this. I found these when cleaning a bunch of UNWA rocks for a work give-a-way. That's a mm magnet sticking to them. http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0321.jpg http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0320.jpg http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0319.jpg http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0318.jpg http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0317.jpg http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/SDIM0316.jpg __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weird inclusion in NWA 2086 CV3
G'day Mike, Interesting piece. I've seen a bit of a new CV3 meteorite coming out from Morocco lately and much of it looks similar to yours. Firstly, take a look at this page on Dark Inclusions: http://www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/DarkInclusions.html It could be possible that the unusual inclusion in yours is a weathered one of these. But at the same time, this new CV material coming out of Morocco is different to the stuff I've seen in the past. I think the only way I can explain it is to say that it almost appears 'muddy'. I guess it's like saying that there are a few largish chondrules set in a very fine-grained 'muddy' matrix. It's possible yours could be an exaggerated example of that? Nice piece, Jeff - Original Message - From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:28 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Weird inclusion in NWA 2086 CV3 Hi List, Has anyone ever seen an inclusion like this in a CV3 meteorite? It is a brown. featureless, area that snakes through the surrounding matrix and chondrules. I have seen light and dark inclusions in different carbonaceous meteorites, including Allende, but I have not seen an inclusion like this one. I cut several fragments of this meteorite and most had a predominately dark-matrix lithology. One fragment had a small portion of dark matrix lithology, and a predominate lighter-grey matrix lithology. It was in this light-matrix stone that this weird "glassy" brown inclusion appeared during cutting. It resembles caramel and has a slick texture compared to the rest of the meteorite. Under the loupe, it appears very fine grained, almost glassy, like an olivine. It does not appear to be oxidation of any kind. The inclusion ran through the entire fragment and I have 4 different pieces that show it. Besides this inclusion, there is the expected mixture of chondrules and CAI's. The pieces shown in the photos are rough-sawn - no sanding or polishing yet. The pieces shown are an endcut and a slice. The endcut weighs 5.18g and the slice weighs 3.27g. The close-up photo of the "?" (question mark) shaped inclusion is the clearest. I'll try to snap some better photos tomorrow under outside natural lighting. http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-inclusion-3.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-inclusion-1.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-inclusion-2.jpg Does anyone know what this inclusion might be? Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting & Profound Optimism
Hi All, For those of you who at least occasionally enjoy the endeavor of meteorite hunting -- and therefore know how hard it is, even with modern technology -- this photograph from an old LIFE magazine is sure to bring a smile to your face... http://www.fallingrocks.com/images/FR11708058.jpg All the best, Dave PS - Thanks to Sean Murray for posting the image! Dave Gheesling IMCA #5967 www.fallingrocks.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help - Displaying flanged button tektites
Yo Dog, Museum putty is excellent & you can put the button at a slight Slant and hold it upright with only about 3 times the mass of a BB Worth of putty. You can put the entire thing in a 1" clear cube - or, If it will be in a cabinet anyway, just on top of one of those nice Magnet stands. Warm Regards, Michael On 8/9/10 4:44 PM, "Rob Wesel" wrote: > Hello all > > For those of you lucky enough to own a button, I was wondering if you had > them displayed in any particular way. I want to cleanly suspend the piece > upright in profile and pondered a metal post with mineral tack or a drop of > hot glue but I am nervous the piece would break if I ever tried to remove > it. Any ideas out there, hate to have it tucked in a cardboard box or > membrane box. I need a museum quality display method for a museum quality > piece. Any ideas are welcomed. > > Rob Wesel > www.nakhladogmeteorites.com > www.facebook.com/nakhladog > -- > We are the music makers... > and we are the dreamers of the dreams. > Willy Wonka, 1971 > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 6291 Angrite - AD Update
Hi to all. Hope everyone is doing good this morning. Exciting new offers are abundant! Since the met list was laggy when I placed my last ad and to help fund exciting new material, I am extending a ONE DAY ONLY offer. Select samples of the awesome King of Angrites for less than $150 per gram. Or you can have the second largest mass of the stone weighing in at 25.9 grams for only $130 per gram. Available pieces can be viewed on my website by clicking the link below: http://www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com/NWA_6291.php The 8.4 gram, 8.45 gram, and 43 gram main mass are no longer available as of today. Translucent slices not included. Sorry for a second ad, but since this is one heck of a deal and my first ad was held up with lag, I'm sure you won't mind. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
I once paid $100 for 1mg of the Sylacauga Hodges stone. On 8/10/10, Melanie Matthews wrote: > Good evening/morning all > What is the most expensive meteorite per gram, to date? The Lunar Calcalong > Creek? After that which ones are next in line? > > > --- > -Melanie > IMCA: 2975 > eBay: metmel2775 > Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 > > I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weird inclusion in NWA 2086 CV3
Hi Jeff and List, The color balance in my first set of photos was way off. Here is another photo showing what the color should look like. This photo is split, the left shows my original photo, and the right shows a better representation of what the stones actually look like in person - http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-inclusion.jpg Here is a photo of some other slices from the same batch. Notice that the matrix is darker in these pieces. http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-slices.jpg The fragment with the brown "caramel-like" inclusion was the smallest of the bunch and more weathered than the others. So I am thinking that there must have been a surface fracture that extended down into the interior of the stone. Weathering products intruded through this crack and the brown "inclusion" is probably just a clay-like replacement mineral. If the brown area was a typical rust stain, then one would see chondrules and other features under the staining. But this brown area is not a stain because it flows around the chondrules and it extends all the way through the matrix. None of this material had a chance to rust during cutting because it literally went straight from the saw into a waiting hot oven. It was wet for about 60-90 seconds before it went into the oven. Well, whatever it is, I'm keeping one slice of it, giving one to my source, and selling the other two pieces. 5.18g endcut and 3.27g slice are now available to list members for $10/g with free shipping. Contact me off-list if interested. For those who may be wondering - I spoke to my source about it (after someone emailed me off-list questioning whether or not this material is actually NWA 2086), and I am satisfied that this material is 2086. Best regards, MikeG On 8/10/10, Jeff Kuyken wrote: > G'day Mike, > > Interesting piece. I've seen a bit of a new CV3 meteorite coming out from > Morocco lately and much of it looks similar to yours. Firstly, take a look > at this page on Dark Inclusions: > > http://www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/DarkInclusions.html > > It could be possible that the unusual inclusion in yours is a weathered one > of these. But at the same time, this new CV material coming out of Morocco > is different to the stuff I've seen in the past. I think the only way I can > explain it is to say that it almost appears 'muddy'. I guess it's like > saying that there are a few largish chondrules set in a very fine-grained > 'muddy' matrix. It's possible yours could be an exaggerated example of that? > > Nice piece, > > Jeff > > > - Original Message - > From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" > To: "Meteorite List" > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:28 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Weird inclusion in NWA 2086 CV3 > > >> Hi List, >> >> Has anyone ever seen an inclusion like this in a CV3 meteorite? It is >> a brown. featureless, area that snakes through the surrounding matrix >> and chondrules. I have seen light and dark inclusions in different >> carbonaceous meteorites, including Allende, but I have not seen an >> inclusion like this one. I cut several fragments of this meteorite >> and most had a predominately dark-matrix lithology. One fragment had >> a small portion of dark matrix lithology, and a predominate >> lighter-grey matrix lithology. It was in this light-matrix stone that >> this weird "glassy" brown inclusion appeared during cutting. It >> resembles caramel and has a slick texture compared to the rest of the >> meteorite. Under the loupe, it appears very fine grained, almost >> glassy, like an olivine. It does not appear to be oxidation of any >> kind. The inclusion ran through the entire fragment and I have 4 >> different pieces that show it. Besides this inclusion, there is the >> expected mixture of chondrules and CAI's. The pieces shown in the >> photos are rough-sawn - no sanding or polishing yet. The pieces shown >> are an endcut and a slice. The endcut weighs 5.18g and the slice >> weighs 3.27g. >> >> The close-up photo of the "?" (question mark) shaped inclusion is the >> clearest. I'll try to snap some better photos tomorrow under outside >> natural lighting. >> >> http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-inclusion-3.jpg >> >> http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-inclusion-1.jpg >> >> http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-inclusion-2.jpg >> >> Does anyone know what this inclusion might be? >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> >> -- >> >> Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites >> http://www.galactic-stone.com >> http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Met
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange UNWA
Pieces of Ureilite maybe? Mike in CO On Aug 10, 2010, at 1:52 AM, Barry Hughes wrote: A 1 cm magnet:) On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 3:29 AM, Barry Hughes wrote: Hi, just wondering if anybody ever came across anything like this. I found these when cleaning a bunch of UNWA rocks for a work give-a- way. That's a mm magnet sticking to them. http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/ SDIM0321.jpg http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/ SDIM0320.jpg http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/ SDIM0319.jpg http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/ SDIM0318.jpg http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/ SDIM0317.jpg http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt201/slowpoker1/weird/ SDIM0316.jpg __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
I think i paid around $200 a gram for my sample. Peter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Weird inclusion in NWA 2086 CV3
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-inclusion.jpg Hello All, Michael G. wrote: "So I am thinking that there must have been a surface fracture that extended down into the interior of the stone. Weathering products intruded through this crack and the brown 'inclusion' is probably just a clay-like replacement mineral." "clay-like" => phyllosilicates are clay minerals! .. and *if* it is preterrestrial, this might be an extended area of phyllosilicates, saponite, smectite or something! Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 5 chances in 8 Sean O'Keefe is dead.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/10/alaska.plane.crash/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
Hi Martin, As crazy as it sounds, you probably have some specimens that might fetch $1k for a 1mg speck on eBay, if the right bidding war erupts. I've seen pieces go for *insane* prices if the bidding gets spirited. You have some really rare and exceptional pieces that are largely-absent from most private collections. I bet you have a few that would fetch hundreds for a Bessey Speck, so $1000 might not be a major stretch of the imagination! LOL Best regards, MikeG Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone On 8/10/10, Dark Matter wrote: > I've got an idea. Let's set the record now! > > I will offer a one milligram piece of any meteorite in my collection for > $1000 or $1,000,000 per gram. > > If a million a gram is not the record, then I guess I'll have offer a one > milligram piece for $10,000. > > Paypal accepted and I'll contact Guinness myself. > http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/member/how_to_become_a_record_breaker.aspx > > If it happens that I have to sell an entire gram in order to establish the > record, then I will sell as many grams of any meteorite in my collection for > $1,000,000 per gram if that's what it takes. We all have to make sacrifices > when setting world records, right? > > -Martin > > > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks < > meteoritem...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I once paid $100 for 1mg of the Sylacauga Hodges stone. >> >> >> >> On 8/10/10, Melanie Matthews wrote: >> > Good evening/morning all >> > What is the most expensive meteorite per gram, to date? The Lunar >> Calcalong >> > Creek? After that which ones are next in line? >> > >> > >> > --- >> > -Melanie >> > IMCA: 2975 >> > eBay: metmel2775 >> > Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 >> > >> > I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __ >> > Visit the Archives at >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> > Meteorite-list mailing list >> > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites >> http://www.galactic-stone.com >> http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
Wow,, and the Sylacauga Hodges stone is just an ordinary chondrite.. Can you imagine if it were a rare achondrite or a Planetary meteorite, with a limited amount available to collectors?! @_@ --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks To: Melanie Matthews Cc: Meteorite List Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:29:53 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? I once paid $100 for 1mg of the Sylacauga Hodges stone. On 8/10/10, Melanie Matthews wrote: > Good evening/morning all > What is the most expensive meteorite per gram, to date? The Lunar Calcalong > Creek? After that which ones are next in line? > > > --- > -Melanie > IMCA: 2975 > eBay: metmel2775 > Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 > > I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
Melanie asked "What is the most expensive per gram...?" Gram sized and larger individual specimens of NWA 5000, Nakhla, Shergotty and Chassigny, just to name four planetaries, have brought up to $4,000 a gram depending on attractivness of size, weight, shape, lithology, fusion crust, preparation and documented provenance. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Melanie Matthews >Sent: Aug 10, 2010 1:38 PM >To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >Cc: Meteorite List >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? > >Wow,, and the Sylacauga Hodges stone is just an ordinary chondrite.. Can you >imagine if it were a rare achondrite or a Planetary meteorite, with a limited >amount available to collectors?! @_@ > > > --- >-Melanie >IMCA: 2975 >eBay: metmel2775 >Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 > >I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. > > > >- Original Message >From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >To: Melanie Matthews >Cc: Meteorite List >Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:29:53 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? > >I once paid $100 for 1mg of the Sylacauga Hodges stone. > > > >On 8/10/10, Melanie Matthews wrote: >> Good evening/morning all >> What is the most expensive meteorite per gram, to date? The Lunar Calcalong >> Creek? After that which ones are next in line? >> >> >> --- >> -Melanie >> IMCA: 2975 >> eBay: metmel2775 >> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 >> >> I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > >-- > >Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites >http://www.galactic-stone.com >http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > > > > > >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weird inclusion in NWA 2086 CV3
Hi Bernd and List, That's funny you mention that because Bob King also raised the possibility of phyllosilicates. I took some more photos of the specimen that show a better representation of what the specimen looks like. You can also see a distinct boundary line between the typical NWA 2086 lithology (darker matrix) and the strange "lighter colored" lithology that the majority of this stone has. One area near the end shows the type of matrix we expect from NWA 2086. The brown inclusion does not show any features under it or through it, except in one small spot where two chondrules appear to be immersed in it, while the rest of the inclusion flows around the chondrules like a river flows around islands. http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/endcut-519-a.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/endcut-326-1.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-slice-weird-1.jpg Best regards, MikeG Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone On 10 Aug 2010 15:21:51 UT, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: > http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-inclusion.jpg > > Hello All, > > Michael G. wrote: > > "So I am thinking that there must have been a surface fracture that extended > down into > the interior of the stone. Weathering products intruded through this crack > and the brown > 'inclusion' is probably just a clay-like replacement mineral." > > "clay-like" => phyllosilicates are clay minerals! > > .. and *if* it is preterrestrial, this might be an extended > area of phyllosilicates, saponite, smectite or something! > > Cheers, > > Bernd > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
Hi Count, Melanie and List, Several months ago, I saw a small crumb of Honolulu sell for $400 on eBay. I don't recall how much it weighed, but it could not have been more than 50mg. Best regards, MikeG On 8/10/10, countde...@earthlink.net wrote: > Melanie asked "What is the most expensive per gram...?" > > > Gram sized and larger individual specimens of NWA 5000, Nakhla, Shergotty > and Chassigny, just to name four planetaries, have brought up to $4,000 a > gram depending on attractivness of size, weight, shape, lithology, fusion > crust, preparation and documented provenance. > > Count Deiro > IMCA 3536 > > -Original Message- >>From: Melanie Matthews >>Sent: Aug 10, 2010 1:38 PM >>To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >>Cc: Meteorite List >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? >> >>Wow,, and the Sylacauga Hodges stone is just an ordinary chondrite.. Can >> you >>imagine if it were a rare achondrite or a Planetary meteorite, with a >> limited >>amount available to collectors?! @_@ >> >> >> --- >>-Melanie >>IMCA: 2975 >>eBay: metmel2775 >>Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 >> >>I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. >> >> >> >>- Original Message >>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >>To: Melanie Matthews >>Cc: Meteorite List >>Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:29:53 AM >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? >> >>I once paid $100 for 1mg of the Sylacauga Hodges stone. >> >> >> >>On 8/10/10, Melanie Matthews wrote: >>> Good evening/morning all >>> What is the most expensive meteorite per gram, to date? The Lunar >>> Calcalong >>> Creek? After that which ones are next in line? >>> >>> >>> --- >>> -Melanie >>> IMCA: 2975 >>> eBay: metmel2775 >>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 >>> >>> I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >>-- >> >>Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites >>http://www.galactic-stone.com >>http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> >> >> >> >> >>__ >>Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Buzzard Coulee
With all you guys and gals tramping over the Buzzard Coulee strewnfield looking for new goodies, has any one found a meteorite specimen that ISN'T a Buzzard Coulee? Same goes for the Ash Creek Feb. 20009, and April 10th , 2010 Wisconsin falls. Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Arizona Meteorited dealers
How come there are so many dealers in the Arizona (especially Tucson) areas? Is it the desert air? Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
Don´t forget, folks, that once upon a time, which in fact is not way to long ago (only just a bit more than a decade or so right now) lunar or martian meteorites were simply unavailable on the private market. And when the first lunar, DaG 262, was available from the sawblade of the finder, the price even for saw dust was absolutely unpayable, and then when DaG 400 (some time after) appeared on the market, courtesy of Blaine Reed and through channels of a certain German gentleman, if I remember correctly, the first asking price was very high up somewhere in the 20-thousands-range dollars a gram. Listees, don´t forget - we live in "golden times" with those planetary meteorites and other rare stuff even today, while prices are clearly increasing now for top Lunars or Martians, and the other rare ones, as people get more interested in meteorites but supply, on the other hand, is limited. P.S.: I still remember, how difficult it was for a type collector to get even an LL4 in the old, pre-NWA-days, e.g. in the mid-Ninetees! Some of my colleagues, who have been in the hobby for an even longer time than me, may second what I said. The NWA rush has changed it all ever since, and I do not hesitate to add: at good terms for both the private collector and the scientist! Though there seem to be other lines of thought here and there now, fired by the media... Just a few quick comments from an old hound in the hobby. Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht > Datum: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:25:16 -0400 > Von: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" > An: countde...@earthlink.net > CC: Meteorite List > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? > Hi Count, Melanie and List, > > Several months ago, I saw a small crumb of Honolulu sell for $400 on > eBay. I don't recall how much it weighed, but it could not have been > more than 50mg. > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > On 8/10/10, countde...@earthlink.net wrote: > > Melanie asked "What is the most expensive per gram...?" > > > > > > Gram sized and larger individual specimens of NWA 5000, Nakhla, > Shergotty > > and Chassigny, just to name four planetaries, have brought up to $4,000 > a > > gram depending on attractivness of size, weight, shape, lithology, > fusion > > crust, preparation and documented provenance. > > > > Count Deiro > > IMCA 3536 > > > > -Original Message- > >>From: Melanie Matthews > >>Sent: Aug 10, 2010 1:38 PM > >>To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks > >>Cc: Meteorite List > >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? > >> > >>Wow,, and the Sylacauga Hodges stone is just an ordinary chondrite.. Can > >> you > >>imagine if it were a rare achondrite or a Planetary meteorite, with a > >> limited > >>amount available to collectors?! @_@ > >> > >> > >> --- > >>-Melanie > >>IMCA: 2975 > >>eBay: metmel2775 > >>Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 > >> > >>I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. > >> > >> > >> > >>- Original Message > >>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks > >>To: Melanie Matthews > >>Cc: Meteorite List > >>Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:29:53 AM > >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? > >> > >>I once paid $100 for 1mg of the Sylacauga Hodges stone. > >> > >> > >> > >>On 8/10/10, Melanie Matthews wrote: > >>> Good evening/morning all > >>> What is the most expensive meteorite per gram, to date? The Lunar > >>> Calcalong > >>> Creek? After that which ones are next in line? > >>> > >>> > >>> --- > >>> -Melanie > >>> IMCA: 2975 > >>> eBay: metmel2775 > >>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 > >>> > >>> I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> __ > >>> Visit the Archives at > >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > >>> Meteorite-list mailing list > >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >>> > >> > >> > >>-- > >> > >>Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > >>http://www.galactic-stone.com > >>http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>__ > >>Visit the Archives at > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > >>Meteorite-list mailing list > >>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > -- > > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > http://www.galactic-stone.com > http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/maili
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona Meteorited dealers
Because they are meteorite addicts! ;) They live, eat and breathe meteorites! So yes it's int the air... Eric On 8/10/2010 11:46 AM, Chris Spratt wrote: How come there are so many dealers in the Arizona (especially Tucson) areas? Is it the desert air? Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
It does depend a lot on size. I remember a 4 milligram speck of NWA 011 selling for over $500.00 when only 58 milligrams was available. This is would extrapolate to a mere $125,000.00 gram. The only other meteorite I think to beat this price was Calcalong Creek which could at one time be had for much less and only in milligram sized specimens. It depends on how much is put on the market at any given time. I only managed to get around $10,000.00/gram for Calcalong creek after offering very small fragments for several weeks. It started out high and then decreased each week in a thin market until my supply was exhausted. Now, I cannot get any more now matter how hard I try. In larger sizes over a gram, lunar is and will always be king according to the Smithsonian Magazine, Mining for Meteorites. If all of ALH84001 or Chassigny were to be released at once, I doubt they could maintain record setting prices for very long. Most collectors would be satisfied with sub-gram pieces because the material is similar throughout meaning a larger piece would not provide much more variety of clasts than a small one.Lunaites, on the other hand, are highly variable, much more aesthetically pleasing and display a wider array of characteristics. People seem to relate more to the Moon, have admired it since ancient times and do not have to be into meteorites to desire a piece. You have heard the saying, " I would giver here the Moon if I could." Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: "countde...@earthlink.net" To: Melanie Matthews ; Galactic Stone & Ironworks Cc: Meteorite List Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 10:52:51 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? Melanie asked "What is the most expensive per gram...?" Gram sized and larger individual specimens of NWA 5000, Nakhla, Shergotty and Chassigny, just to name four planetaries, have brought up to $4,000 a gram depending on attractivness of size, weight, shape, lithology, fusion crust, preparation and documented provenance. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Melanie Matthews >Sent: Aug 10, 2010 1:38 PM >To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >Cc: Meteorite List >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? > >Wow,, and the Sylacauga Hodges stone is just an ordinary chondrite.. Can you >imagine if it were a rare achondrite or a Planetary meteorite, with a limited >amount available to collectors?! @_@ > > > --- >-Melanie >IMCA: 2975 >eBay: metmel2775 >Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 > >I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. > > > >- Original Message >From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >To: Melanie Matthews >Cc: Meteorite List >Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:29:53 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? > >I once paid $100 for 1mg of the Sylacauga Hodges stone. > > > >On 8/10/10, Melanie Matthews wrote: >> Good evening/morning all >> What is the most expensive meteorite per gram, to date? The Lunar Calcalong >> Creek? After that which ones are next in line? >> >> >> --- >> -Melanie >> IMCA: 2975 >> eBay: metmel2775 >> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 >> >> I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > >-- > >Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites >http://www.galactic-stone.com >http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > > > > > >__ >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona Meteorited dealers
Hi All: Here's my few grams worth: 1. I think the standard of living is pretty good - not too expensive to live 2. They have one of the largest Gem and Mineral shows every Jan-February 3. There are a lot of deserts around - so you can hunt meteorites 4. For some reason a lot of meteors of sighted there 5. Arizona attracts a lot of rockhounds because of the mineral wealth 6 and it's an awesome city to live; the air is clean, the people friendly and the mechanics are honest - isn't the right Mr. Blood. Now you got me looking forward to February 2011. Greg S. > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 12:02:44 -0700 > From: e...@meteoritesusa.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Arizona Meteorited dealers > > Because they are meteorite addicts! ;) They live, eat and breathe > meteorites! > > So yes it's int the air... > > Eric > > On 8/10/2010 11:46 AM, Chris Spratt wrote: > > How come there are so many dealers in the Arizona (especially Tucson) > > areas? Is it the desert air? > > > > Chris. Spratt > > Victoria, BC > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
Well said, Alex. And not only rare classes such as planetaries, carbonaceous, achondrites etc. - exceptional fine individuals of common classes as well. Years ago I was lucky enough to buy a parade example of a shield oriented NWA stone, weathered, but perfectly shaped, 120 gm, for ca. 50 $. Today? Difficult to find anyway. And the price? Well ... Best, Matthias - Original Message - From: "Alexander Seidel" To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? Don´t forget, folks, that once upon a time, which in fact is not way to long ago (only just a bit more than a decade or so right now) lunar or martian meteorites were simply unavailable on the private market. And when the first lunar, DaG 262, was available from the sawblade of the finder, the price even for saw dust was absolutely unpayable, and then when DaG 400 (some time after) appeared on the market, courtesy of Blaine Reed and through channels of a certain German gentleman, if I remember correctly, the first asking price was very high up somewhere in the 20-thousands-range dollars a gram. Listees, don´t forget - we live in "golden times" with those planetary meteorites and other rare stuff even today, while prices are clearly increasing now for top Lunars or Martians, and the other rare ones, as people get more interested in meteorites but supply, on the other hand, is limited. P.S.: I still remember, how difficult it was for a type collector to get even an LL4 in the old, pre-NWA-days, e.g. in the mid-Ninetees! Some of my colleagues, who have been in the hobby for an even longer time than me, may second what I said. The NWA rush has changed it all ever since, and I do not hesitate to add: at good terms for both the private collector and the scientist! Though there seem to be other lines of thought here and there now, fired by the media... Just a few quick comments from an old hound in the hobby. Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:25:16 -0400 Von: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" An: countde...@earthlink.net CC: Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? Hi Count, Melanie and List, Several months ago, I saw a small crumb of Honolulu sell for $400 on eBay. I don't recall how much it weighed, but it could not have been more than 50mg. Best regards, MikeG On 8/10/10, countde...@earthlink.net wrote: > Melanie asked "What is the most expensive per gram...?" > > > Gram sized and larger individual specimens of NWA 5000, Nakhla, Shergotty > and Chassigny, just to name four planetaries, have brought up to $4,000 a > gram depending on attractivness of size, weight, shape, lithology, fusion > crust, preparation and documented provenance. > > Count Deiro > IMCA 3536 > > -Original Message- >>From: Melanie Matthews >>Sent: Aug 10, 2010 1:38 PM >>To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >>Cc: Meteorite List >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? >> >>Wow,, and the Sylacauga Hodges stone is just an ordinary chondrite.. >>Can >> you >>imagine if it were a rare achondrite or a Planetary meteorite, with a >> limited >>amount available to collectors?! @_@ >> >> >> --- >>-Melanie >>IMCA: 2975 >>eBay: metmel2775 >>Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 >> >>I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. >> >> >> >>- Original Message >>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >>To: Melanie Matthews >>Cc: Meteorite List >>Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:29:53 AM >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? >> >>I once paid $100 for 1mg of the Sylacauga Hodges stone. >> >> >> >>On 8/10/10, Melanie Matthews wrote: >>> Good evening/morning all >>> What is the most expensive meteorite per gram, to date? The Lunar >>> Calcalong >>> Creek? After that which ones are next in line? >>> >>> >>> --- >>> -Melanie >>> IMCA: 2975 >>> eBay: metmel2775 >>> Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 >>> >>> I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >>-- >> >>Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites >>http://www.galactic-stone.com >>http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> >> >> >> >> >>__ >>Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
List: I wonder if it's in the "Guinness Book of World records" or Ripley's Believe it or not." That would be neat. Maybe someone could submit it. Greg S. > From: majbaerm...@web.de > To: g...@gmx.net; meteoritem...@gmail.com; countde...@earthlink.net > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:13:58 +0200 > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? > > Well said, Alex. And not only rare classes such as planetaries, > carbonaceous, achondrites etc. - exceptional fine individuals of common > classes as well. Years ago I was lucky enough to buy a parade example of a > shield oriented NWA stone, weathered, but perfectly shaped, 120 gm, for ca. > 50 $. Today? Difficult to find anyway. And the price? Well ... > > Best, > > Matthias > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Alexander Seidel" > To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" ; > > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? > > > > Don´t forget, folks, that once upon a time, which in fact is not way > > to long ago (only just a bit more than a decade or so right now) lunar > > or martian meteorites were simply unavailable on the private market. And > > when the first lunar, DaG 262, was available from the sawblade of the > > finder, the price even for saw dust was absolutely unpayable, and then > > when DaG 400 (some time after) appeared on the market, courtesy of Blaine > > Reed and through channels of a certain German gentleman, if I remember > > correctly, the first asking price was very high up somewhere in the > > 20-thousands-range dollars a gram. > > > > Listees, don´t forget - we live in "golden times" with those planetary > > meteorites and other rare stuff even today, while prices are clearly > > increasing now for top Lunars or Martians, and the other rare ones, as > > people get more interested in meteorites but supply, on the other hand, is > > limited. > > > > P.S.: I still remember, how difficult it was for a type collector to get > > even an LL4 in the old, pre-NWA-days, e.g. in the mid-Ninetees! Some of my > > colleagues, who have been in the hobby for an even longer time than me, > > may second what I said. The NWA rush has changed it all ever since, and I > > do not hesitate to add: at good terms for both the private collector and > > the scientist! Though there seem to be other lines of thought here and > > there now, fired by the media... > > > > Just a few quick comments from an old hound in the hobby. > > Alex > > Berlin/Germany > > > > > > > > Original-Nachricht > >> Datum: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:25:16 -0400 > >> Von: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" > >> An: countde...@earthlink.net > >> CC: Meteorite List > >> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? > > > >> Hi Count, Melanie and List, > >> > >> Several months ago, I saw a small crumb of Honolulu sell for $400 on > >> eBay. I don't recall how much it weighed, but it could not have been > >> more than 50mg. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> MikeG > >> > >> > >> On 8/10/10, countde...@earthlink.net wrote: > >> > Melanie asked "What is the most expensive per gram...?" > >> > > >> > > >> > Gram sized and larger individual specimens of NWA 5000, Nakhla, > >> Shergotty > >> > and Chassigny, just to name four planetaries, have brought up to $4,000 > >> a > >> > gram depending on attractivness of size, weight, shape, lithology, > >> fusion > >> > crust, preparation and documented provenance. > >> > > >> > Count Deiro > >> > IMCA 3536 > >> > > >> > -Original Message- > >> >>From: Melanie Matthews > >> >>Sent: Aug 10, 2010 1:38 PM > >> >>To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks > >> >>Cc: Meteorite List > >> >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? > >> >> > >> >>Wow,, and the Sylacauga Hodges stone is just an ordinary chondrite.. > >> >>Can > >> >> you > >> >>imagine if it were a rare achondrite or a Planetary meteorite, with a > >> >> limited > >> >>amount available to collectors?! @_@ > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> --- > >> >>-Melanie > >> >>IMCA: 2975 > >> >>eBay: metmel2775 > >> >>Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 > >> >> > >> >>I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>- Original Message > >> >>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks > >> >>To: Melanie Matthews > >> >>Cc: Meteorite List > >> >>Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:29:53 AM > >> >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? > >> >> > >> >>I once paid $100 for 1mg of the Sylacauga Hodges stone. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>On 8/10/10, Melanie Matthews wrote: > >> >>> Good evening/morning all > >> >>> What is the most expensive meteorite per gram, to date? The Lunar > >> >>> Calcalong > >> >>> Creek? After that which ones are next in line? > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> --- > >> >>> -Melanie > >> >>> IMCA: 2
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
Hi Alex, today I'd say, regarding the costs - any Antarctic meteorite. It's simply very expensive to work in such an extreme and hostile environment. Seen the price paid: Calcalong - it had cost in the end more or less the meteoritic future of a whole continent :-( Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Alexander Seidel Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 21:01 An: Galactic Stone & Ironworks; countde...@earthlink.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? Don´t forget, folks, that once upon a time, which in fact is not way to long ago (only just a bit more than a decade or so right now) lunar or martian meteorites were simply unavailable on the private market. And when the first lunar, DaG 262, was available from the sawblade of the finder, the price even for saw dust was absolutely unpayable, and then when DaG 400 (some time after) appeared on the market, courtesy of Blaine Reed and through channels of a certain German gentleman, if I remember correctly, the first asking price was very high up somewhere in the 20-thousands-range dollars a gram. Listees, don´t forget - we live in "golden times" with those planetary meteorites and other rare stuff even today, while prices are clearly increasing now for top Lunars or Martians, and the other rare ones, as people get more interested in meteorites but supply, on the other hand, is limited. P.S.: I still remember, how difficult it was for a type collector to get even an LL4 in the old, pre-NWA-days, e.g. in the mid-Ninetees! Some of my colleagues, who have been in the hobby for an even longer time than me, may second what I said. The NWA rush has changed it all ever since, and I do not hesitate to add: at good terms for both the private collector and the scientist! Though there seem to be other lines of thought here and there now, fired by the media... Just a few quick comments from an old hound in the hobby. Alex Berlin/Germany __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weird inclusion in NWA 2086 CV3
My money's on terrestrial weathering as the cause of the brown area, although there is a clear lithologic boundary on the right side of photo: http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-slice-weird-1.jpg. Jeff On 2010-08-10 2:22 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: Hi Bernd and List, That's funny you mention that because Bob King also raised the possibility of phyllosilicates. I took some more photos of the specimen that show a better representation of what the specimen looks like. You can also see a distinct boundary line between the typical NWA 2086 lithology (darker matrix) and the strange "lighter colored" lithology that the majority of this stone has. One area near the end shows the type of matrix we expect from NWA 2086. The brown inclusion does not show any features under it or through it, except in one small spot where two chondrules appear to be immersed in it, while the rest of the inclusion flows around the chondrules like a river flows around islands. http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/endcut-519-a.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/endcut-326-1.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-slice-weird-1.jpg Best regards, MikeG Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone& Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone On 10 Aug 2010 15:21:51 UT, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-inclusion.jpg Hello All, Michael G. wrote: "So I am thinking that there must have been a surface fracture that extended down into the interior of the stone. Weathering products intruded through this crack and the brown 'inclusion' is probably just a clay-like replacement mineral." "clay-like" => phyllosilicates are clay minerals! .. and *if* it is preterrestrial, this might be an extended area of phyllosilicates, saponite, smectite or something! Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
Hello, I know we have discussed that before, but Adam I still have to disagree with you. Yes, Martians and Lunars are still high priced now, but not at all as high as they were, and it is still a novelty thing. Some day people will realize that they are not rare any more. Just look at the Met Bulletin: Lunar: Total 131, non-Antartica: 101 Martian: Total 92, non-Antartica: 70 And they don't sell, I still have a bunch of them, I have lowered the prices twice in the past, and I would gladly get rid of them if I got a reasonable offer. On the other hand, look at the truly rare ones: Aubres, Orgueil (fragment, not dust!), Lodran, Winona,. yes, historical pieces, and nearly impossible to get. And truly expensive. My two non-lunar cents. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/10/2010 1:18:17 PM Mountain Daylight Time, raremeteori...@yahoo.com writes: In larger sizes over a gram, lunar is and will always be king according to the Smithsonian Magazine, Mining for Meteorites. If all of ALH84001 or Chassigny were to be released at once, I doubt they could maintain record setting prices for very long. Most collectors would be satisfied with sub-gram pieces because the material is similar throughout meaning a larger piece would not provide much more variety of clasts than a small one.Lunaites, on the other hand, are highly variable, much more aesthetically pleasing and display a wider array of characteristics. People seem to relate more to the Moon, have admired it since ancient times and do not have to be into meteorites to desire a piece. You have heard the saying, " I would giver here the Moon if I could." Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weird inclusion in NWA 2086 CV3
Hello Jeff, All, The only reason that I assumed that this slice *might* be a piece of NWA 2089 is because of that "dark corner" - it's the only part of this stone that looks *like* NWA 2086. The light lithology that you say looks like NWA 2086 looks very unlike other samples of 2086: http://www.aerolite.org/prizes/nwa-2086.htm http://www.meteoriteguy.com/catalog/nwa2086.htm http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2008/march/Accretion_Desk.htm So what we're looking at here, if it's a piece of NWA 2086, is a slice comprised almost entirely of a light clast that is in no way typical of most NWA 2086 specimens. That strange brown thing that everyone's arguing about has chondrules in it. If it has discolored differently than the rest of the meteorite due to weathering or some other process, it would still point towards that area being composed of a different material (why would it weather differently if it were made of the same stuff?). Given that it seems to have a lesser concentration of chondrules within it (as opposed to the rest of the lighter clast), I would assume that it is indeed foreign meteoric material. But CV3's have strange C-type inclusions in 'em all the time. What's the biggie? ...It's an inclusion within an inclusion? That's cool... Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: > My money's on terrestrial weathering as the cause of the brown area, > although there is a clear lithologic boundary on the right side of photo: > http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-slice-weird-1.jpg. > > Jeff > > > On 2010-08-10 2:22 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: >> >> Hi Bernd and List, >> >> That's funny you mention that because Bob King also raised the >> possibility of phyllosilicates. I took some more photos of the >> specimen that show a better representation of what the specimen looks >> like. You can also see a distinct boundary line between the typical >> NWA 2086 lithology (darker matrix) and the strange "lighter colored" >> lithology that the majority of this stone has. One area near the end >> shows the type of matrix we expect from NWA 2086. >> >> The brown inclusion does not show any features under it or through it, >> except in one small spot where two chondrules appear to be immersed in >> it, while the rest of the inclusion flows around the chondrules like a >> river flows around islands. >> >> http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/endcut-519-a.jpg >> >> http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/endcut-326-1.jpg >> >> >> http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-slice-weird-1.jpg >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> >> Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone& Ironworks Meteorites >> http://www.galactic-stone.com >> http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> >> >> On 10 Aug 2010 15:21:51 UT, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/2086-inclusion.jpg >>> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> Michael G. wrote: >>> >>> "So I am thinking that there must have been a surface fracture that >>> extended >>> down into >>> the interior of the stone. Weathering products intruded through this >>> crack >>> and the brown >>> 'inclusion' is probably just a clay-like replacement mineral." >>> >>> "clay-like" => phyllosilicates are clay minerals! >>> >>> .. and *if* it is preterrestrial, this might be an extended >>> area of phyllosilicates, saponite, smectite or something! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Bernd >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> >> >> -- >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > > > -- > Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 > US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 > 954 National Center > Reston, VA 20192, USA > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
Hi Anne and List, We are talking about the most expensive meteorites here, not the rarest. I have bought and sold both Lodran and Winona and their prices are nowhere near comparable to those of Lunaites in the last few years, especially with the release of more Winonites and Lodranites from NWA. I was only able to muster $500.00/gram for a gram-plus piece of Winona and only realized slightly more for Lodran. The price of Chassigny has dropped like a rock since the discovery of NWA 2737. Although there are more Lunars by number than Martian, the total available weight of Martian meteorites is much greater. Do not get me wrong, I appreciate all meteorites. I am just stating that there is much more excitment over a discovery of a new Lunar meteorite in NWA than any other type, even a possible Earth to Earth meteorite. The Moroccans know that they will get more for a new Lunaite than any other type and they are the number one suppliers in the world right now. I am quoting what the article in Smithsonian Magazine said,"The most desirable meteorite is a dislodged piece of the Moon." Desirability translates into price per gram. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites!
This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't single out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at art as an example. If a painting by a famous artist sells for big bucks and later it turns out to be a fake it is nearly worthless again. It has nothing to do with the quality of the painting but who actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa art community, government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three stripes painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the cost, but there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves they are all NUTS! I have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites should be about what they do for science and Not scarcity! Ed Majden Courtenay B.C. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Flanged Buttons
Listees, How many are there? What is best estimate on the number of perfect or near perfect flanged buttons? Will one million dollars buy them all? Thanks, Fred Olsen __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
How about Lafayette? That is a rare one, impossible to obtain. I have a .87 gram piece: http://meteorite-identification.tripod.com/LAFAYETTE.htm Told it is worth about $10,000... Any takers? Steve Schoner http://www.petroslides.com IMCA 4470 Message: 16 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:26:46 EDT From: impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? To: raremeteori...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: <3f166.d34334d.39931...@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hello, I know we have discussed that before, but Adam I still have to disagree with you. Yes, Martians and Lunars are still high priced now, but not at all as high as they were, and it is still a novelty thing. Some day people will realize that they are not rare any more. Just look at the Met Bulletin: Lunar: Total 131, non-Antartica: 101 Martian: Total 92, non-Antartica: 70 And they don't sell, I still have a bunch of them, I have lowered the prices twice in the past, and I would gladly get rid of them if I got a reasonable offer. On the other hand, look at the truly rare ones: Aubres, Orgueil (fragment, not dust!), Lodran, Winona,. yes, historical pieces, and nearly impossible to get. And truly expensive. My two non-lunar cents. Anne M. Black Free Credit Score A bad credit score is below 598. Click here to see yours for $0. Checking won't affect your score. By Experian® http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3341/4c61cb5fcd0a8bb79bst06duc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites!
Well Ed, at least the quality of a meteorite is mainly defined by hard physical and measurable criteria in standardized processes. Take the NWAs which as orphans all are relatively uncontaminated by terrestrial history, anecdotes, fashions, interpretations. There you'll find, that a W0 or W1 fresh H5 always will be paid better than a W3 or W4 H5, that an eucrite is better paid then an ordinary chondrite and so on. Of course, they aren't free from fashions too. With the Allende and Murchison jubilee years e.g. there came a higher demand for carbonaceous ones. With all the space missions to and around Mars, Martians are again very popular. And of course aesthetic aspects partially are also taken in consideration, if a collector evaluates a meteorite. In as far, I think, there are other criteria ruling in price-finding in meteoritics than in arts. With meteorites with names instead of numbers, I think it's roughly the same as with stamp collectors (stamps are in principle colourful pictures on paper). There the main criterion is (not the rareness, but) the availability. And then we have fashions. Hammers e.g., new falls with big media attention, irons with holes, specimens of a certain pedigree, or on a smaller scale, meteorites which certain properties, which are topic of actual discussions in fora, articles ect. - these fashions indeed are often very variable. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Ed Majden Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. August 2010 23:29 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't single out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at art as an example. If a painting by a famous artist sells for big bucks and later it turns out to be a fake it is nearly worthless again. It has nothing to do with the quality of the painting but who actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa art community, government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three stripes painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the cost, but there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves they are all NUTS! I have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites should be about what they do for science and Not scarcity! Ed Majden Courtenay B.C. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites!
Ed: I actually mis-interpreted your post... I think. I meteorite is valuable because of its uniqueness; for example, If it is oriented, is a fall (very fresh), hits an object (a hammer) or is a rare composition. If an ordinary chondrite hits an animal (or person) then it will be more desirable and the value will increase. But remember, the mineral content may be very common for meteorites. So there are many reasons different meteorite have different values. Now to your art – the value of art is not simply how it looks but whom and under what circumstances it is produced. Have you seen drawings by John Lennon… well let’s just say he is no Leonardo da Vinci, but they are very valuable. This has always driven me nuts because I’ve done art myself. Art is not just a visual object, but the “process of creating something which many believe is of high value or of cultural importance.” Greg S. > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > From: epmaj...@shaw.ca > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:28:49 -0700 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! > > This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't > single out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at > art as an example. If a painting by a famous artist sells for big > bucks and later it turns out to be a fake it is nearly worthless > again. It has nothing to do with the quality of the painting but who > actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa art community, > government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three stripes > painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they > would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the > cost, but there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves > they are all NUTS! I have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites > should be about what they do for science and Not scarcity! > Ed Majden > Courtenay B.C. > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - 6.1 gram complete australite
Hey All, A year or so ago, I managed to acquire a pretty nice example of an australite - this 6.1 gram complete flanged button. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=102083&id=508345918&l=b6c21a6903 Granted, it has some cooling cracks, but it doesn't have a single chip, new or old. It's also about 1.5 times the weight of the next largest complete australite that I've ever seen for sale. I've read about larger examples in scientific papers (up to 12 grams or so), but have never actually seen - or heard of any - larger than this in a private collection...though I'm sure they're out there. It's pretty, but not really our sort of thing. So if anyone's looking for such an example, this one is available - and I'm open to trades. Given that the asking price on ~2-3 gram pieces seems to be in the ~$2,000-3,000 range, I'm looking for cash offers of $4,000 or more (or trade equivalent). Thanks, Jason __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites!
Hi Ed and List, I don't think collectors are all nuts, just showing a passion for exceedingly interesting objects. The price of fine art has plummeted, more so than the price of housing or meteorites. There comes a point when the history of an object becomes over-hyped and cannot maintain its value long-term. Many large auction houses' reputations are not what they used to be, they got caught over hyping among other things. Meteorites are no different. I think a good history should increase the price, but not a 100 times like we often see in meteorites. This is precisely why I do not collect falls any more unless they fill a type gap in my collection. An ordinary chondrite with a great history may sell for over $1,000.00/gram but will not hold this value for very long. If two pieces come up for sale at the same time, the price will drop in half as the market is too thin to support these prices. Pricing of planetary pieces is not as vulnerable to hype and volume doesn't' seem to affect the pricing as much. They have maintained there value throughout this tough recession with some increasing in price as the supply thins out. One comment that Anne made bothers me: ** Yes, Martians and Lunars are still high priced now, but not at all as high as they were, and it is still a novelty thing. Some day people will realize that they are not rare any more. Just look at the Met Bulletin: *** My response is that Lunar and Martian meteorites are millions of times rarer than diamonds and are far more than just novelties. Ask any meteoritist and they will tell you the same. The price of planetary meteorites corrected four years ago in consideration of the additional weight being found. Even with this correction, they are still higher than any other type for the volume sold. They do not need history hype in order to increase the value which has been remarkably stable during a downturn in the economy. Imagine if a lunar meteorite was witnessed as a fall. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites!
Sorry, off topic.. What Ed mentioned about a piece of wood with some stripes painted on it, selling for big bucks... I think that's just stupid - original piece of 'work' or not.. What the hell? --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Thunder Stone To: epmaj...@shaw.ca; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 3:49:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! Ed: I actually mis-interpreted your post... I think. I meteorite is valuable because of its uniqueness; for example, If it is oriented, is a fall (very fresh), hits an object (a hammer) or is a rare composition. If an ordinary chondrite hits an animal (or person) then it will be more desirable and the value will increase. But remember, the mineral content may be very common for meteorites. So there are many reasons different meteorite have different values. Now to your art – the value of art is not simply how it looks but whom and under what circumstances it is produced. Have you seen drawings by John Lennon… well let’s just say he is no Leonardo da Vinci, but they are very valuable. This has always driven me nuts because I’ve done art myself. Art is not just a visual object, but the “process of creating something which many believe is of high value or of cultural importance.” Greg S. > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > From: epmaj...@shaw.ca > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:28:49 -0700 > Subject: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! > > This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't > single out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at > art as an example. If a painting by a famous artist sells for big > bucks and later it turns out to be a fake it is nearly worthless > again. It has nothing to do with the quality of the painting but who > actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa art community, > government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three stripes > painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they > would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the > cost, but there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves > they are all NUTS! I have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites > should be about what they do for science and Not scarcity! > Ed Majden > Courtenay B.C. > __ > Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites!
Ed says, referring to all collectors, "They are NUTS!" Most critics of the prices paid for art probably don't have an understanding of what drives the value. Pieces created by an artist are meant to open a dialogue with those who view the work. The artist is making a statement using whatever medium he wishes. He hopes the viewer will understand what he has said. If initially successful, the artist continues to make works, as if having an ongoing conversation with his audience. If continually successful in inspiring and reaching his viewers with what he has to say, his work takes on importance and desirability, ergo value. All the other factors...a great technique, small output, uniqueness, and the death of the artist...also drive the price. There are so many art genres..and some, like minimalism and conceptualism, use the simplest of mediums and objects to carry the artist's message. Ed's painted stripes on plywood for example. They mean nothing to Ed because he hasn't any familiarity with the ouvre of this artist. This doesn't make Ed ignorant. It's actually a failure on the part of the artist. But, for those that "get it" it's the successful conversation represented by this whole body of work that drives the price. There are no limits to art. And much of what we see in other objects that provokes an emotional, or thoughtful. response is really art. This applies to meteorites. They speak to us in the language of creation. Their individual appearance is unpredictable and many times beautiful. Our curiosity drives us to analyze them with one revelation leading to another in a continuing conversation. Our response to this intimacy is to desire and value them. Some would say we are "NUTS". Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Ed Majden >Sent: Aug 10, 2010 5:28 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! > > This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't >single out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at >art as an example. If a painting by a famous artist sells for big >bucks and later it turns out to be a fake it is nearly worthless >again. It has nothing to do with the quality of the painting but who >actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa art community, >government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three stripes >painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they >would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the >cost, but there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves >they are all NUTS! I have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites >should be about what they do for science and Not scarcity! >Ed Majden >Courtenay B.C. >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Re: Most expensive meteorites!
IF this is a double post..my apologies. Guido -Forwarded Message- >From: countde...@earthlink.net >Sent: Aug 10, 2010 7:24 PM >To: Ed Majden , meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! > >Ed says, referring to all collectors, "They are NUTS!" > >Most critics of the prices paid for art probably don't have an understanding >of what drives the value. Pieces created by an artist are meant to open a >dialogue with those who view the work. The artist is making a statement using >whatever medium he wishes. He hopes the viewer will understand what he has >said. If initially successful, the artist continues to make works, as if >having an ongoing conversation with his audience. If continually successful in >inspiring and reaching his viewers with what he has to say, his work takes on >importance and desirability, ergo value. All the other factors...a great >technique, small output, uniqueness, and the death of the artist...also drive >the price. > >There are so many art genres..and some, like minimalism and conceptualism, use >the simplest of mediums and objects to carry the artist's message. Ed's >painted stripes on plywood for example. They mean nothing to Ed because he >hasn't any familiarity with the ouvre of this artist. This doesn't make Ed >ignorant. It's actually a failure on the part of the artist. But, for those >that "get it" it's the successful conversation represented by this whole body >of work that drives the price. > >There are no limits to art. And much of what we see in other objects that >provokes an emotional, or thoughtful. response is really art. This applies to >meteorites. They speak to us in the language of creation. Their individual >appearance is unpredictable and many times beautiful. Our curiosity drives us >to analyze them with one revelation leading to another in a continuing >conversation. Our response to this intimacy is to desire and value them. Some >would say we are "NUTS". > >Count Deiro >IMCA 3536 > > >-Original Message- >>From: Ed Majden >>Sent: Aug 10, 2010 5:28 PM >>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>Subject: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! >> >> This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't >>single out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at >>art as an example. If a painting by a famous artist sells for big >>bucks and later it turns out to be a fake it is nearly worthless >>again. It has nothing to do with the quality of the painting but who >>actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa art community, >>government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three stripes >>painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they >>would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the >>cost, but there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves >>they are all NUTS! I have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites >>should be about what they do for science and Not scarcity! >>Ed Majden >>Courtenay B.C. >>__ >>Visit the Archives at >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites!
Though Ed is entitled to his opinion, I must disagree. Perhaps I misunderstand what he meant, and hope he's joking... Ed, Your logic seems to be that collectors only collect because they are selfish, greedy people with a "my meteorite is bigger and better" mentality. On the contrary, meteorite collectors are some of the most generous and knowledgeable people I've ever met. Your statement says nothing about, and ignores "why" meteorite collectors collect meteorites at all. Did it ever occur to you that collectors might collect because meteorites are intrinsically and historically interesting!? Or that collectors collect because they actually like the feeling it gives them to hold in their hand a rock older than the Earth!? Your statement also implies that private collectors should have no right to collect at all, is very clinical and unemotional to say meteorites should be about the science only. It's a damn good thing the world ain't run by people like that think this way. It's would be one helluva boring place! I hope you are not one of those that would see every meteorite on the planet in inaccessible collections, sitting in backroom/laboratory specimen drawers that never see the light of day, instead of letting the public enjoy them. This type of mentality is selfish, egotistical and a controlling travesty we have to deal with in this business. People that look down on others because they enjoy something, and try to control the access to meteorites by hoarding them in huge collections that the public does not have ready access to, are meteorite mongers in my opinion. No offense... Collectors want to share the enjoyment of meteorite collecting by buying, selling, collecting, trading, sharing photos, and studying meteorites on their own and with like minded individuals within this great community. You know how many private collectors have microscopes sitting in their homes? Almost every collector I know does. Collectors study, admire, and collect meteorites not because they are "bigger and better" than the next guys, not even entirely because they are rare. We collect meteorites because of how it makes us feel. The awe inspiring feeling of smallness in the universe. It makes us feel that we have a connection to the universe, a sense of uncommon knowledge of something much bigger than ourselves. Meteorites fill great and mysterious voids with knowledge and information about our universe and ultimately ourselves. It's about something that is much more important than us. To be able to walk to your collection display and pull out a specimen of the material that built our solar system and the planets, that is why we collect. Collectors share this experience of joy and wonder with other collectors and the public through their own galleries and mini-museum collections which pay homage to the greatness of some of the worlds finest collections of meteorites. We need to share that feeling with everyone! Besides all that. Meteorites are the COOLEST rocks on the planet! Regards, Eric On 8/10/2010 2:28 PM, Ed Majden wrote: This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't single out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at art as an example. If a painting by a famous artist sells for big bucks and later it turns out to be a fake it is nearly worthless again. It has nothing to do with the quality of the painting but who actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa art community, government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three stripes painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the cost, but there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves they are all NUTS! I have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites should be about what they do for science and Not scarcity! Ed Majden Courtenay B.C.__ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell on flanged button prices (Was: Spectacular Tektite on eBay)
You're most certainly correct Paul. I'm always a little behind in my work. [like the butcher who backed into the meat slicer!] On Aug 9, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Paul Harris wrote: > Hi Stuart, > > You should find this very interesting :-) > http://museumvictoria.com.au/discoverycentre/infosheets/australites/ > > Paul > > On 8/9/2010 3:44 PM, Stuart McDaniel wrote: >> I know this will sound like a stupid question but how are these formed? I >> thought teks were ejecta type material. >> >> Stuart McDaniel >> Lawndale, NC >> Secr., >> Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society >> - Original Message - From: "Paul Harris" >> To: "Richard Kowalski" >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell on flanged button prices (Was: >> Spectacular Tektite on eBay) >> >> >>> Dear Richard and List, >>> >>> Here are some Australite Flange Buttons on Meteorite-Times. >>> >>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2009/march/Tektite_of_Month.htm >>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2007/June/Tektite_of_Month.htm >>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2007/May/Tektite_of_Month.htm >>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2006/December/Tektite_of_Month.htm >>> >>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2005/February/Tektite_of_Month.htm >>> >>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2004/October/Tektite_of_Month.htm >>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/September/Tektite_of_Month.htm >>> >>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/April/Tektite_of_Month.htm >>> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2002/November/Tektite_of_Month.htm >>> >>> >>> Just gotta love buttons! >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> >>> On 8/9/2010 2:22 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Hey Norm, I haven't looked at many tektites, but what caught my eye on this one was the deep swirl on the bottom of this one. Obviously spinning as it re-entered. I can't remember seeing this feature before. Just curious how common that is? Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 8/9/10, Norm Lehrman wrote: > From: Norm Lehrman > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell on flanged button prices > (Was: Spectacular Tektite on eBay) > To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de > Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 11:02 AM > Sorry, I was typing in the dark and > hit a button that sent the message before I was done. > > The one on Ebay is significantly over-priced. For > $1800, I think I can still source a flawless specimen. With the rim > chips, I would not pay $1000, but times are > certainly changing. They haven't made any more of > these for a very long time and the supply is getting very > lean. > > I think I told the story on our website, but I traded my > youngest daughter's hand in marriage for one fine flanged > button. We were living in West Aus and spent lots of > time out searching. On the fateful day, Derek (our > great current son in law) came out with us, his first > tektite hunt. Cookie and I had over 1000 finds each to > our credit (australites that is, not a single fully flanged > button) and had a pretty good eye. We know how to tell > them from kangaroo droppings (bite them!). > > We were walking a dry stream channel southeast of > Kalgoorlie and finding nothing. My daughter is > American Indian, and I had been kidding Derek that if he > wanted to marry her he was going to have to come up with a > fine bunch of horses and blankets for the father of the > bride. It was hot and dry and swarming with flies and > kangaroo droppings were about as exciting as it got. Then Derek shouted > "hey norm, about those horses and sheep > and stuff---would this do???" He was holding up a > perfect, flawless flanged button. I accepted on the > spot. He has my daughter and a fine family, I have a > fine flanged Australite and some great grandkids. What's more, we're both > happy with the deal. > People sometimes ask what my daughter thinks of being sold > for a flanged button, and I assure them that she understands > their rarity and is honored to command such a premium! > > Three years has passed since we moved to Africa and > suspended the Tektite Source. Cookie has now moved > back to the USA and is getting the inventory unpacked; I'm > still wandering Africa at least until the end of the > calendar year. But within a few months we should have > things up and running again. Thanks for waiting. We have a long list of > clients to contact when she finds > everything. If you have items of interest from the > website, let us know and we'll get to you when we can--- > > I need to visit
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites!
Ed Majden and I are actually neighbors, I have been to his home a few times and had some good looks at his meteorite collection. He is a good man and not monger. Think he has a misinterpretation on things. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Meteorites USA To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:08:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! Though Ed is entitled to his opinion, I must disagree. Perhaps I misunderstand what he meant, and hope he's joking... Ed, Your logic seems to be that collectors only collect because they are selfish, greedy people with a "my meteorite is bigger and better" mentality. On the contrary, meteorite collectors are some of the most generous and knowledgeable people I've ever met. Your statement says nothing about, and ignores "why" meteorite collectors collect meteorites at all. Did it ever occur to you that collectors might collect because meteorites are intrinsically and historically interesting!? Or that collectors collect because they actually like the feeling it gives them to hold in their hand a rock older than the Earth!? Your statement also implies that private collectors should have no right to collect at all, is very clinical and unemotional to say meteorites should be about the science only. It's a damn good thing the world ain't run by people like that think this way. It's would be one helluva boring place! I hope you are not one of those that would see every meteorite on the planet in inaccessible collections, sitting in backroom/laboratory specimen drawers that never see the light of day, instead of letting the public enjoy them. This type of mentality is selfish, egotistical and a controlling travesty we have to deal with in this business. People that look down on others because they enjoy something, and try to control the access to meteorites by hoarding them in huge collections that the public does not have ready access to, are meteorite mongers in my opinion. No offense... Collectors want to share the enjoyment of meteorite collecting by buying, selling, collecting, trading, sharing photos, and studying meteorites on their own and with like minded individuals within this great community. You know how many private collectors have microscopes sitting in their homes? Almost every collector I know does. Collectors study, admire, and collect meteorites not because they are "bigger and better" than the next guys, not even entirely because they are rare. We collect meteorites because of how it makes us feel. The awe inspiring feeling of smallness in the universe. It makes us feel that we have a connection to the universe, a sense of uncommon knowledge of something much bigger than ourselves. Meteorites fill great and mysterious voids with knowledge and information about our universe and ultimately ourselves. It's about something that is much more important than us. To be able to walk to your collection display and pull out a specimen of the material that built our solar system and the planets, that is why we collect. Collectors share this experience of joy and wonder with other collectors and the public through their own galleries and mini-museum collections which pay homage to the greatness of some of the worlds finest collections of meteorites. We need to share that feeling with everyone! Besides all that. Meteorites are the COOLEST rocks on the planet! Regards, Eric On 8/10/2010 2:28 PM, Ed Majden wrote: > This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't > single >out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at art as an >example. >If a painting by a famous artist sells for big bucks and later it turns out to >be a fake it is nearly worthless again. It has nothing to do with the quality >of the painting but who actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa >art community, government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three >stripes painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they >would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the cost, but >there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves they are all NUTS! >I >have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites should be about what they do >for >science and Not scarcity! > Ed Majden > Courtenay B.C.__ > Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/m
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites!
To ad: I apologize if my words regarding the painting were harsh.. Just that personally, I wouldn't put out big bucks for such simple artwork unless someone who is dear and close to me, did it at a very young age (or my pet dog). However, I'm a lot more interested in meteorites than I am art - even though I'm an artist myself. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Meteorites USA To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:08:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! Though Ed is entitled to his opinion, I must disagree. Perhaps I misunderstand what he meant, and hope he's joking... Ed, Your logic seems to be that collectors only collect because they are selfish, greedy people with a "my meteorite is bigger and better" mentality. On the contrary, meteorite collectors are some of the most generous and knowledgeable people I've ever met. Your statement says nothing about, and ignores "why" meteorite collectors collect meteorites at all. Did it ever occur to you that collectors might collect because meteorites are intrinsically and historically interesting!? Or that collectors collect because they actually like the feeling it gives them to hold in their hand a rock older than the Earth!? Your statement also implies that private collectors should have no right to collect at all, is very clinical and unemotional to say meteorites should be about the science only. It's a damn good thing the world ain't run by people like that think this way. It's would be one helluva boring place! I hope you are not one of those that would see every meteorite on the planet in inaccessible collections, sitting in backroom/laboratory specimen drawers that never see the light of day, instead of letting the public enjoy them. This type of mentality is selfish, egotistical and a controlling travesty we have to deal with in this business. People that look down on others because they enjoy something, and try to control the access to meteorites by hoarding them in huge collections that the public does not have ready access to, are meteorite mongers in my opinion. No offense... Collectors want to share the enjoyment of meteorite collecting by buying, selling, collecting, trading, sharing photos, and studying meteorites on their own and with like minded individuals within this great community. You know how many private collectors have microscopes sitting in their homes? Almost every collector I know does. Collectors study, admire, and collect meteorites not because they are "bigger and better" than the next guys, not even entirely because they are rare. We collect meteorites because of how it makes us feel. The awe inspiring feeling of smallness in the universe. It makes us feel that we have a connection to the universe, a sense of uncommon knowledge of something much bigger than ourselves. Meteorites fill great and mysterious voids with knowledge and information about our universe and ultimately ourselves. It's about something that is much more important than us. To be able to walk to your collection display and pull out a specimen of the material that built our solar system and the planets, that is why we collect. Collectors share this experience of joy and wonder with other collectors and the public through their own galleries and mini-museum collections which pay homage to the greatness of some of the worlds finest collections of meteorites. We need to share that feeling with everyone! Besides all that. Meteorites are the COOLEST rocks on the planet! Regards, Eric On 8/10/2010 2:28 PM, Ed Majden wrote: > This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't > single >out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at art as an >example. >If a painting by a famous artist sells for big bucks and later it turns out to >be a fake it is nearly worthless again. It has nothing to do with the quality >of the painting but who actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa >art community, government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three >stripes painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they >would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the cost, but >there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves they are all NUTS! >I >have something you don't have! ;-) Meteorites should be about what they do >for >science and Not scarcity! > Ed Majden > Courtenay B.C.__ > Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritece
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
Hi Steve and all, Lafayette is truly a rare specimen. Only 30 grams total in private hands. I recently cut some of this material and still have small fragments that broke off from what I was cutting. After I sell what little I have left, it will be gone and nearly impossible to buy. Anne, If you pair up the lunar and martian meteorites, you will only find 60 plus specimens that are unique of the lunar material and 80 plus of the martian. These should sell well for you but in this speck collecting society after collectors get their type specimen that is all they need. Better to have a gram or two. Alex, Your exactly right on the lunars, over $35,000 to $40,000 for the first material out. Blaine sold both DAG 262 and 400. I bought in with him on some of that material and still have a pricy DAG 262 .1 th of a gram in my collection that is a $3,000 piece. However at that time we had no idea that other lunars would be found and we thought the material might be the only material we might ever be able to own. I now have a fairly cost effective 7 gram lunar in my collection. Besides the lack of type pieces as you pointed out (and was very true of that time) little information on meteorites, few books, and contact was done the old fashion way by mail for pieces, with occasional calls to dealers to purchase specimens. Collectors these days have it much more easier with the internet and ready access of material, books, and specimens. (getting off my soap box now) :-) --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: "Steve Schoner" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? How about Lafayette? That is a rare one, impossible to obtain. I have a .87 gram piece: http://meteorite-identification.tripod.com/LAFAYETTE.htm Told it is worth about $10,000... Any takers? Steve Schoner __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - 6.1 gram complete australite
Wow Jason, that is a big one. Very cool. Check out this pseudo-button indochinite I was fortunate to acquire. It's quite a fun novelty piece. Good luck with the sale. Phil On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Jason Utas wrote: > Hey All, > A year or so ago, I managed to acquire a pretty nice example of an > australite - this 6.1 gram complete flanged button. > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=102083&id=508345918&l=b6c21a6903 > > Granted, it has some cooling cracks, but it doesn't have a single > chip, new or old. It's also about 1.5 times the weight of the next > largest complete australite that I've ever seen for sale. I've read > about larger examples in scientific papers (up to 12 grams or so), but > have never actually seen - or heard of any - larger than this in a > private collection...though I'm sure they're out there. > > It's pretty, but not really our sort of thing. So if anyone's looking > for such an example, this one is available - and I'm open to trades. > Given that the asking price on ~2-3 gram pieces seems to be in the > ~$2,000-3,000 range, I'm looking for cash offers of $4,000 or more (or > trade equivalent). > > Thanks, > Jason > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - 6.1 gram complete australite
Ooops, forgot the linkhttp://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c57/pkmorgan/tektite/button2.jpg On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Phil Morgan wrote: > Wow Jason, that is a big one. Very cool. > > Check out this pseudo-button indochinite I was fortunate to acquire. > It's quite a fun novelty piece. > > Good luck with the sale. > > Phil > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Jason Utas wrote: >> Hey All, >> A year or so ago, I managed to acquire a pretty nice example of an >> australite - this 6.1 gram complete flanged button. >> >> http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=102083&id=508345918&l=b6c21a6903 >> >> Granted, it has some cooling cracks, but it doesn't have a single >> chip, new or old. It's also about 1.5 times the weight of the next >> largest complete australite that I've ever seen for sale. I've read >> about larger examples in scientific papers (up to 12 grams or so), but >> have never actually seen - or heard of any - larger than this in a >> private collection...though I'm sure they're out there. >> >> It's pretty, but not really our sort of thing. So if anyone's looking >> for such an example, this one is available - and I'm open to trades. >> Given that the asking price on ~2-3 gram pieces seems to be in the >> ~$2,000-3,000 range, I'm looking for cash offers of $4,000 or more (or >> trade equivalent). >> >> Thanks, >> Jason >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites!
Hi Melanie, I'm sure Ed is a good guy, and certainly wasn't referring to him as a meteorite monger. ;) Only those who would deny the public access to meteorites are meteorite mongers. However that doesn't change my opinion of the logic of his opinion. You mention in your signature that you eat, sleep and breathe meteorites 24/7. So do I, just as many others on this list. I think I can say with agreement from everyone, that meteorites are the coolest rocks on the planet. I simply believe we should share that with everyone on the planet! Who are we to obstruct the progression of knowledge? Eric On 8/10/2010 5:31 PM, Melanie Matthews wrote: Ed Majden and I are actually neighbors, I have been to his home a few times and had some good looks at his meteorite collection. He is a good man and not monger. Think he has a misinterpretation on things. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Meteorites USA To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:08:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! Though Ed is entitled to his opinion, I must disagree. Perhaps I misunderstand what he meant, and hope he's joking... Ed, Your logic seems to be that collectors only collect because they are selfish, greedy people with a "my meteorite is bigger and better" mentality. On the contrary, meteorite collectors are some of the most generous and knowledgeable people I've ever met. Your statement says nothing about, and ignores "why" meteorite collectors collect meteorites at all. Did it ever occur to you that collectors might collect because meteorites are intrinsically and historically interesting!? Or that collectors collect because they actually like the feeling it gives them to hold in their hand a rock older than the Earth!? Your statement also implies that private collectors should have no right to collect at all, is very clinical and unemotional to say meteorites should be about the science only. It's a damn good thing the world ain't run by people like that think this way. It's would be one helluva boring place! I hope you are not one of those that would see every meteorite on the planet in inaccessible collections, sitting in backroom/laboratory specimen drawers that never see the light of day, instead of letting the public enjoy them. This type of mentality is selfish, egotistical and a controlling travesty we have to deal with in this business. People that look down on others because they enjoy something, and try to control the access to meteorites by hoarding them in huge collections that the public does not have ready access to, are meteorite mongers in my opinion. No offense... Collectors want to share the enjoyment of meteorite collecting by buying, selling, collecting, trading, sharing photos, and studying meteorites on their own and with like minded individuals within this great community. You know how many private collectors have microscopes sitting in their homes? Almost every collector I know does. Collectors study, admire, and collect meteorites not because they are "bigger and better" than the next guys, not even entirely because they are rare. We collect meteorites because of how it makes us feel. The awe inspiring feeling of smallness in the universe. It makes us feel that we have a connection to the universe, a sense of uncommon knowledge of something much bigger than ourselves. Meteorites fill great and mysterious voids with knowledge and information about our universe and ultimately ourselves. It's about something that is much more important than us. To be able to walk to your collection display and pull out a specimen of the material that built our solar system and the planets, that is why we collect. Collectors share this experience of joy and wonder with other collectors and the public through their own galleries and mini-museum collections which pay homage to the greatness of some of the worlds finest collections of meteorites. We need to share that feeling with everyone! Besides all that. Meteorites are the COOLEST rocks on the planet! Regards, Eric On 8/10/2010 2:28 PM, Ed Majden wrote: This confirms my impression of collectors! They are NUTS! I don't single out meteorite collectors but all collectors. Let us look at art as an example. If a painting by a famous artist sells for big bucks and later it turns out to be a fake it is nearly worthless again. It has nothing to do with the quality of the painting but who actually is the so called famous painter. The Ottawa art community, government, if I recall correctly paid big bucks for three stripes painted on a couple of sheets of plywood. Several people said they would duplicate this so called famous painting at a fraction of the cost, but there were no takers. Collectors and their vanity proves they are all NUTS! I have something
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites!
"To a mind that is still, the whole universe surrenders" ~ Chang Tsu "To me every hour of the light and dark is a miracle. Every cubic inch of space is a miracle" ~ Walt Whitman Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites USA Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:37 PM To: Melanie Matthews; Meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! Hi Melanie, I'm sure Ed is a good guy, and certainly wasn't referring to him as a meteorite monger. ;) Only those who would deny the public access to meteorites are meteorite mongers. However that doesn't change my opinion of the logic of his opinion. You mention in your signature that you eat, sleep and breathe meteorites 24/7. So do I, just as many others on this list. I think I can say with agreement from everyone, that meteorites are the coolest rocks on the planet. I simply believe we should share that with everyone on the planet! Who are we to obstruct the progression of knowledge? Eric On 8/10/2010 5:31 PM, Melanie Matthews wrote: > Ed Majden and I are actually neighbors, I have been to his home a few > times and had some good looks at his meteorite collection. He is a > good man and not monger. Think he has a misinterpretation on things. > > > --- > -Melanie > IMCA: 2975 > eBay: metmel2775 > Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 > > I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. > > > > - Original Message > From: Meteorites USA > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:08:48 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive meteorites! > > Though Ed is entitled to his opinion, I must disagree. Perhaps I > misunderstand what he meant, and hope he's joking... > > Ed, Your logic seems to be that collectors only collect because they > are selfish, greedy people with a "my meteorite is bigger and better" > mentality. On the contrary, meteorite collectors are some of the most > generous and knowledgeable people I've ever met. Your statement says > nothing about, and ignores "why" meteorite collectors collect > meteorites at all. > > Did it ever occur to you that collectors might collect because > meteorites are intrinsically and historically interesting!? Or that > collectors collect because they actually like the feeling it gives > them to hold in their hand a rock older than the Earth!? Your > statement also implies that private collectors should have no right to > collect at all, is very clinical and unemotional to say meteorites > should be about the science only. It's a damn good thing the world > ain't run by people like that think this way. It's would be one > helluva boring place! I hope you are not one of those that would see > every meteorite on the planet in inaccessible collections, sitting in > backroom/laboratory specimen drawers that never see the light of day, > instead of letting the public enjoy them. This type of mentality is > selfish, egotistical and a controlling travesty we have to deal with > in this business. People that look down on others because they enjoy > something, and try to control the access to meteorites by hoarding > them in huge collections that the public does not have ready access > to, are meteorite mongers in my opinion. No offense... > > Collectors want to share the enjoyment of meteorite collecting by > buying, selling, collecting, trading, sharing photos, and studying > meteorites on their own and with like minded individuals within this > great community. You know how many private collectors have microscopes > sitting in their homes? Almost every collector I know does. Collectors > study, admire, and collect meteorites not because they are "bigger and > better" than the next guys, not even entirely because they are rare. > > We collect meteorites because of how it makes us feel. The awe > inspiring feeling of smallness in the universe. It makes us feel that > we have a connection to the universe, a sense of uncommon knowledge of > something much bigger than ourselves. Meteorites fill great and > mysterious voids with knowledge and information about our universe and > ultimately ourselves. It's about something that is much more important > than us. To be able to walk to your collection display and pull out a > specimen of the material that built our solar system and the planets, > that is why we collect. Collectors share this experience of joy and > wonder with other collectors and the public through their own > galleries and mini-museum collections which pay homage to the > greatness of some of the worlds finest collections of meteorites. We > need to share that feeling with everyone! > > Besides all that. Meteorites are the COOLEST rocks on the planet! > > Regards, > Eric > > > > > > On 8/10/2010 2:28 PM, Ed Majden wrote: > >> This confirms my impression o
[meteorite-list] Unsafe Photobucket Sites
List, My Norton Anti-virus program has deemed every Photobucket link I've clicked on lately an unsafe site. Evidently there are some viruses such as Downloader and BloodhoundExploit.281 lurking in there! Thoma __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unsafe Photobucket Sites
I received an alert from a list member who said his Norton flagged my photobucket links as having a trojan virus. But, the Norton incident report gave a completely different source URL than my link. FWIW, I use PC-Tools Anti-Virus and SpyWare which is updated almost daily. I haven't received a single alert on any of my photobucket files. So when these Norton alerts come up, check the alert report and read the details - the offending virus file is often located at a URL that is entirely different than the link that was clicked on - odd. I would wager that some kind of script that photobucket is using is intrusive and some anti-virus programs are flagging it as a virus - maybe they have some kind of tracking routine that mimics the behavior of some spyware? Just a guess. I've heard reports that Norton and McAffee (sp?) often send erroneous reports, and my old McAffee used to repeatedly send me false alarms on my desktop PC. I say all of this because I know 100% for certain that nothing I have uploaded to photobucket contains any sort of virus of spyware. My system is completely clean and my laptop's hard-drive has never seen a single byte or porn, pirated software, file sharing, suspicious email attachments, etc. I bet my PC is cleaner than some nuns and monks. So if someone's virus software flags something I posted, the virus software is wrong. Best regards, MikeG On 8/10/10, Thomas Webb wrote: > List, > My Norton Anti-virus program has deemed every Photobucket link I've clicked > on lately an unsafe site. Evidently there are some viruses such as > Downloader and BloodhoundExploit.281 lurking in there! > Thoma > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Collectors are Nuts!
Well Guys & Galls, my comment sure raised a lot of discussion, eh! ;-) I guess I'm a nut also as I collect meteorites. I've always been interested in meteoritics but was first introduced to collecting by Chris Sprat in Victoria after seen his fine collection at a Royal Astronomical Society of Canada, WAA, ASP, convention in 1987. I think I have the date right! I was trying to obtain a sample of each type, but that is not easy. I'm especially interested in meteorites with Canadian connections. I have nine different ones now and am looking for more but the price of some scare me off. I'm an amateur astronomer that has specialised in meteor spectroscopy. Also, operate a Sandia Bolide Detection All-sky from my observatory in Courtenay. This is part of a North American network for tracking fireballs. We hope to eventually triangulate an entry and recover a meteorite. Oh well, one can always hope. No luck yet! I'm just getting my spectrographs ready for the Perseid meteor shower that peaks on Aug 11/12/13th. I hope I didn't get you all upset with me re my comments. Ask Melanie Matthews about me as she knows my comment was just for fun! Cheers: Ed Majden a fellow collector __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weird inclusion in NWA 2086 CV3
Hi Jason and List, Jason makes a great point about this being an "inclusion within an inclusion". These specimens were taken from a small, jagged, fragment that was obviously a remnant of a larger mass. Before that mass fragmented (either in flight, on impact, or through weathering), it was presumably a whole stone with a more representative lithology of this meteorite. This light-colored region with squashed chondrules and it's brown "inclusion" was previously embedded in the larger stone. It would have been great to see a slice of the whole stone that this fragment came from. As for being NWA 2086 or not, I would question it also if presented with my initial post and photos. But, I did cut a larger batch of this material and all of it (except for this fragment) looked exactly like typical NWA 2086 - darker matrix, more spherical chondrules, more colorful chondrules, CAI's, etc. Also, I asked my source about the chain of provenance regarding this batch and I was told that it came directly from a very respected source. I don't want to name drop, but contact me off-list if curious. The provenance is very solid. So I am very confident that this material is indeed NWA 2086. The question in my mind now is about the brown inclusion - is it a product of weathering/oxidation, or was it originally present in the meteorite? If the latter, then what is it? This question will be answered soon, because one List member has offered to thin-section this material for me and another list-member with thin-section experience purchased the largest piece. So, two different veteran list members are going to make qualitative examinations and analysis of these specimens in the future. And I hope they will share the results with us. Also, for those who might inquire, this "brown inclusion / light lithology" material is sold out. I kept one slice and sold the remaining pieces. All I have remaining are small crumbs and a few sub-gram pieces that show some chondrules. The slice I kept will likely become another thin-section, pending further discussion. I did some looking on the web, and I found a single photo of NWA 2086 that has a clast that somewhat resembles the lighter lithology in my specimens. In this linked photo, look in the lower left-hand portion of the specimen, near the 7-oclock position. You will see a clast on the edge that is a different lithology than the rest of the specimen. The clast is similar in color to my specimens, but it lacks the squashed ellipsoidal chondrules. http://www.meteorite-house.com/MHContentFiles/MHmetPix/PicStoneCHotherNWA208611.html I examined my slice under the microscope at 60x tonight, and the matrix in the light-colored area looks "stippled". It appears to be composed of tiny black dots set into a whitish background matrix. Whatever it is, it is very fine-grained compared to the darker lithology that is seen on the same specimen. I am glad there is the boundary line and region of common NWA 2086 lithology in these pieces, because it provides a good contrast for comparing the two lithologies. Best regards, MikeG Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone On 8/10/10, Jason Utas wrote: > Hello Jeff, All, > The only reason that I assumed that this slice *might* be a piece of > NWA 2089 is because of that "dark corner" - it's the only part of this > stone that looks *like* NWA 2086. > The light lithology that you say looks like NWA 2086 looks very unlike > other samples of 2086: > > http://www.aerolite.org/prizes/nwa-2086.htm > > http://www.meteoriteguy.com/catalog/nwa2086.htm > > http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2008/march/Accretion_Desk.htm > > So what we're looking at here, if it's a piece of NWA 2086, is a slice > comprised almost entirely of a light clast that is in no way typical > of most NWA 2086 specimens. > > That strange brown thing that everyone's arguing about has chondrules > in it. If it has discolored differently than the rest of the > meteorite due to weathering or some other process, it would still > point towards that area being composed of a different material (why > would it weather differently if it were made of the same stuff?). > Given that it seems to have a lesser concentration of chondrules > within it (as opposed to the rest of the lighter clast), I would > assume that it is indeed foreign meteoric material. > > But CV3's have strange C-type inclusions in 'em all the time. What's > the biggie? > ...It's an inclusion within an inclusion? That's cool... > > Regards, > Jason > > On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: >> My money's on terrestrial weathering as the cause of the brown area, >> although there is a clear lithologic boundary on the right side of photo: >> http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritet
Re: [meteorite-list] Weird inclusion in NWA 2086 CV3
Wow, see this photo - http://www.meteorite-house.com/MHContentFiles/MHmetPix/PicStoneCHotherNWA208612.html Andreas' specimen does have a clast like mine! Notice the close-up of the clast in his piece. It is very similar to the light-colored regions in my stone. There is even chondrule deformation. :) On 8/10/10, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > Hi Jason and List, > > Jason makes a great point about this being an "inclusion within an > inclusion". These specimens were taken from a small, jagged, fragment > that was obviously a remnant of a larger mass. Before that mass > fragmented (either in flight, on impact, or through weathering), it > was presumably a whole stone with a more representative lithology of > this meteorite. This light-colored region with squashed chondrules > and it's brown "inclusion" was previously embedded in the larger > stone. It would have been great to see a slice of the whole stone > that this fragment came from. > > As for being NWA 2086 or not, I would question it also if presented > with my initial post and photos. But, I did cut a larger batch of > this material and all of it (except for this fragment) looked exactly > like typical NWA 2086 - darker matrix, more spherical chondrules, more > colorful chondrules, CAI's, etc. Also, I asked my source about the > chain of provenance regarding this batch and I was told that it came > directly from a very respected source. I don't want to name drop, but > contact me off-list if curious. The provenance is very solid. So I > am very confident that this material is indeed NWA 2086. > > The question in my mind now is about the brown inclusion - is it a > product of weathering/oxidation, or was it originally present in the > meteorite? If the latter, then what is it? This question will be > answered soon, because one List member has offered to thin-section > this material for me and another list-member with thin-section > experience purchased the largest piece. So, two different veteran > list members are going to make qualitative examinations and analysis > of these specimens in the future. And I hope they will share the > results with us. > > Also, for those who might inquire, this "brown inclusion / light > lithology" material is sold out. I kept one slice and sold the > remaining pieces. All I have remaining are small crumbs and a few > sub-gram pieces that show some chondrules. The slice I kept will > likely become another thin-section, pending further discussion. > > I did some looking on the web, and I found a single photo of NWA 2086 > that has a clast that somewhat resembles the lighter lithology in my > specimens. In this linked photo, look in the lower left-hand portion > of the specimen, near the 7-oclock position. You will see a clast on > the edge that is a different lithology than the rest of the specimen. > The clast is similar in color to my specimens, but it lacks the > squashed ellipsoidal chondrules. > > http://www.meteorite-house.com/MHContentFiles/MHmetPix/PicStoneCHotherNWA208611.html > > I examined my slice under the microscope at 60x tonight, and the > matrix in the light-colored area looks "stippled". It appears to be > composed of tiny black dots set into a whitish background matrix. > Whatever it is, it is very fine-grained compared to the darker > lithology that is seen on the same specimen. I am glad there is the > boundary line and region of common NWA 2086 lithology in these pieces, > because it provides a good contrast for comparing the two lithologies. > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > http://www.galactic-stone.com > http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > > > > > On 8/10/10, Jason Utas wrote: >> Hello Jeff, All, >> The only reason that I assumed that this slice *might* be a piece of >> NWA 2089 is because of that "dark corner" - it's the only part of this >> stone that looks *like* NWA 2086. >> The light lithology that you say looks like NWA 2086 looks very unlike >> other samples of 2086: >> >> http://www.aerolite.org/prizes/nwa-2086.htm >> >> http://www.meteoriteguy.com/catalog/nwa2086.htm >> >> http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2008/march/Accretion_Desk.htm >> >> So what we're looking at here, if it's a piece of NWA 2086, is a slice >> comprised almost entirely of a light clast that is in no way typical >> of most NWA 2086 specimens. >> >> That strange brown thing that everyone's arguing about has chondrules >> in it. If it has discolored differently than the rest of the >> meteorite due to weathering or some other process, it would still >> point towards that area being composed of a different material (why >> would it weather differently if it were made of the same stuff?). >> Given that it seems to have a lesser concentration of chondrules >> within it (as opposed to the rest of the li
[meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
Hello Listers, This topic is very interesting and brings up a lot of good points on value and what we see deem as the most expensive meteorites per gram or in some cases per milligram. Let it be told, with any new discovery the value will be high. Good example, WI fall. The meteorite which wasn't alot to begin with did have a good high with sales on eBay but dropped really fast. I think it dropped lower than most new falls which is odd, but at any rate I guess what is missing with this fall and with a lot of falls is historic content. Personal, I hold value to meteorites that have a historic connection to meteoritics and the story behind them. I feel that those meteorites will retain value over the course of collecting meteorites, from there rich history to their rarity and the impact those falls had with meteoritics science, as appose to other meteorites that are banking on rarity just because its rare and nothing more. I have to say some people on the List made some good valid points about this topic. One point was about Lunar and Martain meteorites. Yes I would say they have had a good presence in the meteorite community and per gram have made a big impact when it comes to money to be made. But I think at the end of the day as more Lunar and Martain meteorites keep being discovered the value will keep dropping till we get a fall, now that will change everything, but till then we will have to wait. To my next point which it can be seen and told by some and AL brought up, that DAG 400 at one time sold for a pretty penny for the fact people in the meteorite community thought that would be the only Lunar meteorite. I am glad I didn't pay 20G's pre gram for that at the time, cause that 20Gs is 1G. But again value is put on meteorites for different reasons, some I find odd, but again, who am I to say what value should be placed on meteorites. I just collect what I feel is personable to me and the connection I can make with them and how that can relate back to meteoritical science. SA [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? al mitt almitt at kconline.com Tue Aug 10 22:05:48 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? Next message: [meteorite-list] Flanged Buttons Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Steve and all, Lafayette is truly a rare specimen. Only 30 grams total in private hands. I recently cut some of this material and still have small fragments that broke off from what I was cutting. After I sell what little I have left, it will be gone and nearly impossible to buy. Anne, If you pair up the lunar and martian meteorites, you will only find 60 plus specimens that are unique of the lunar material and 80 plus of the martian. These should sell well for you but in this speck collecting society after collectors get their type specimen that is all they need. Better to have a gram or two. Alex, Your exactly right on the lunars, over $35,000 to $40,000 for the first material out. Blaine sold both DAG 262 and 400. I bought in with him on some of that material and still have a pricy DAG 262 .1 th of a gram in my collection that is a $3,000 piece. However at that time we had no idea that other lunars would be found and we thought the material might be the only material we might ever be able to own. I now have a fairly cost effective 7 gram lunar in my collection. Besides the lack of type pieces as you pointed out (and was very true of that time) little information on meteorites, few books, and contact was done the old fashion way by mail for pieces, with occasional calls to dealers to purchase specimens. Collectors these days have it much more easier with the internet and ready access of material, books, and specimens. (getting off my soap box now) :-) --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: "Steve Schoner" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? > How about Lafayette? That is a rare one, impossible to obtain. I have a > .87 gram piece: > > http://meteorite-identification.tripod.com/LAFAYETTE.htm > > Told it is worth about $10,000... > > Any takers? > > Steve Schoner Previous message: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram? Next message: [meteorite-list] Flanged Buttons Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
