Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed fall lunars?

2010-09-06 Thread Melanie Matthews
Hi, 
I asked this a while ago on Greg Catterton's forum, and I was told that rocks 
from the moon aren't as solid (tough) as Mars rocks, and therefore are less 
likely to survive entry... yet what about all these Howardites? 

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- Original Message 
From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks 
To: Meteorite List 
Sent: Mon, September 6, 2010 2:05:16 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Witnessed fall lunars?

Hi List,

Is there a theory for why there have been no witnessed falls of lunar
meteorites?  It seems odd to me that we have 4 Martian witnessed falls
(Shergotty, Chassigny, Zagami, Nakhla, and almost Lafayette) and no
lunars.

I also find it odd that no lunaites have been recovered from the
Americas or Europe.

It would seem that we are long overdue for two things to happen - for
a lunaite to be recovered in the Americas/Europe and for a lunar
witnessed fall.  I wonder which will happen first?

Best regards,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed fall lunars?

2010-09-06 Thread Rob Holcomb

That's amazing for only $1.7 million!
Makes my volcanic breccia from the North Cascades look real good.
Rob H.

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From: "Michael Blood" 
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 10:35 PM
To: "Met. Michael Gilmer" ; "Meteorite List" 


Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed fall lunars?


This might be one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/North-American-Lunar-Meteorite-/120618283540?pt=LH_Defau
ltDomain_0&hash=item1c1568f214

Michael


On 9/6/10 2:05 PM, "Met. Michael Gilmer"  wrote:


Hi List,

Is there a theory for why there have been no witnessed falls of lunar
meteorites?  It seems odd to me that we have 4 Martian witnessed falls
(Shergotty, Chassigny, Zagami, Nakhla, and almost Lafayette) and no
lunars.

I also find it odd that no lunaites have been recovered from the
Americas or Europe.

It would seem that we are long overdue for two things to happen - for
a lunaite to be recovered in the Americas/Europe and for a lunar
witnessed fall.  I wonder which will happen first?

Best regards,

MikeG



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Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed fall lunars?

2010-09-06 Thread Michael Blood
This might be one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/North-American-Lunar-Meteorite-/120618283540?pt=LH_Defau
ltDomain_0&hash=item1c1568f214

Michael


On 9/6/10 2:05 PM, "Met. Michael Gilmer"  wrote:

> Hi List,
> 
> Is there a theory for why there have been no witnessed falls of lunar
> meteorites?  It seems odd to me that we have 4 Martian witnessed falls
> (Shergotty, Chassigny, Zagami, Nakhla, and almost Lafayette) and no
> lunars.
> 
> I also find it odd that no lunaites have been recovered from the
> Americas or Europe.
> 
> It would seem that we are long overdue for two things to happen - for
> a lunaite to be recovered in the Americas/Europe and for a lunar
> witnessed fall.  I wonder which will happen first?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> MikeG


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Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil on Voyage Botanica

2010-09-06 Thread Michael Blood
Hi Bernd,
In the 60s I imagined and yearned for a pet between the size of a
hamster and a rabbit that would eat plastic and poop hashish.
Of course I now have no doubt that the state of my memory is at
least in part due to so many "wild oats" sewn in those days
Always great to hear of adventures from our esteemed German
Representative. 
Warmest regards, Michael


On 9/6/10 2:22 PM, "Met. Bernd Pauli"  wrote:

> Hello All,
> 
> Oh, girls and boys! Just back from my voyage to Gebel Kamil on Voyage Botanica
> ...
> Wish I had my "Dukatenesel" handy as we say in German. A "Dukatenesel" is a
> fairy
> story character, a donkey that ... well, whose droppings are coins. All you
> have to do
> is tell that "nice" and "friendly" creature how many "coins" you need, and,
> presto... :-)
> 
> Bernd
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[meteorite-list] AD: 10% - 15% off sales list, including Theil Mtns and others

2010-09-06 Thread Frank
Hello list!

I have not posted in some time, but I decided to discount my specimens for 
sale.  All meteorites, tektites, and impactites are 10% off the listed prices, 
and for orders of $1000 or more (whether they are single specimens or multiple 
specimens that exceed the $1000 in total), I will take 15% off.  I am 
advertising this special on this List only.

Please visit the sales pages at http://home.comcast.net/~fprochaska/.

Samples include:

Abbott
Ahumada
Chinga
DaG 749
Esquel
Glorieta Mtn
Happy Canyon
Imilac
Kapoeta
Molong
NWA 801
NWA 978
NWA 1914
Tatahouine
Theil Mtns
Vaca Muerta
various tektites and impactites

Thank you for looking!



Frank Prochaska


  
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[meteorite-list] AD: FOR SALE: UNSEARCHED Small bag of Unclassified Meteorites---75.5 grams total.

2010-09-06 Thread Becky and Kirk

Hi All,
I have a very nice small UNSEARCHED bag of Unclassified Meteorites that 
total 75.5 grams it total weight. Small and larger stones included great 
size variety too. Great for hand-outs, research, etc.


You never know what you might find! Please email me off-list at: 
ba...@chorus.net if interested.

Please make an offer. These are nice and raw!!

First-come-first served. Can also send pics of the lot of course.

Thank You!!
Kirk..:-)


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[meteorite-list] AD - Amazing Gibeon Blade Knives, Gold Basin Meteorites and More!!

2010-09-06 Thread Keith and Dana Jenkerson
Hello, All!

   We wanted to let you know that we have some awesome looking
additions to our website. We have just added 3 Gibeon Blade Knives -
these are a great addition to any collection; or a great gift idea.
http://kdmeteorites.com/MeteoriteKnives.html

   We have also added a 685 gram Gold Basin and several smaller ones.
  http://kdmeteorites.com/gold-basin-stoney-meteorites-for-sale.html

   There are new additions to our Admire Nuggets, and an additional
Muonionalusta blade Letter Opener with some really nice file work on
the handle.

   http://kdmeteorites.com/AdmirePallasiteMeteoriteNuggetsForSale.html

   http://kdmeteorites.com/coverletteropeners.html

Come visit us in Denver - will will be at the Denver Coliseum show and
we are located in the arena floor. We'd love to see you! We will be
there from Sept. 16th - 20th.

We hope everyone is doing well!

Cheers
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[meteorite-list] "Nebraska Bays" far too old to be YDB -- YDB debate -- Little Creek "Brushy Creek feature" structure, Louisiana -- blog by highly expert geologist Paul V Heinrich: Rich Murray 2010.09

2010-09-06 Thread Rich Murray
"Nebraska Bays" far too old to be YDB -- YDB debate -- Little Creek "Brushy 
Creek feature" structure, Louisiana --  blog by highly expert geologist Paul 
V Heinrich: Rich Murray 2010.09.06

http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010_09_01_archive.htm
Monday, September 6, 2010
[ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/67
[you may have to Copy and Paste URLs into your browser]
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2010 blog archive

Paul H. 

http://theepistlesofpaul.blogspot.com/2010/06/rainwater-basins-loess-and-imaginary.html

Including Original "Paul H. Letters" Copyright © 1996-2010
Paul V. Heinrich - All rights reserved.

SATURDAY, 5 JUNE 2010
Rainwater Basins, Loess, and An Imaginary Younger Dryas Connection
Saturday, June 5, 2010 1:09 PM

In " YD Crater hunt (impactites?)" at
http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2010-June/065401.html,
E.P. Grondine wrote:

"It turns out the backtrack intercept was already mapped
- the third image at http://cosmictusk.com. Sorry, but
this image did not show on my computer.

One hypothesied large fragment impact point in lower
Michigan is shown. There should be another one not too
far distant."

There is one major problem with the Rainwater Basins,
as they are called, being associated with a terminal
Pleistocene impact. The oval basins that are exhibited
by the modern land surface are palimpsest landforms
created by a blanket of Middle, Late, and Holocene loesses
and paleosols draped evenly over the original Rainwater
Basins, which are developed in fluvial sediments. These
sediments are at least, Illinoian in age, Marine Isotope
Stage 6, approximately 130,000 to 196,000 BP old as a
Late Illinoian Sangamon Soil is developed in them. it
would be interesting to know the stratigraphic
relationship of the Late Illinoian Sangamon Soil to
these original basins as it would further constrain
their age.

Direct studies of these basins from cores and gully walls,
reveal that the original basins are buried by undisturbed
loess, which consists of an intact sequence, from bottom
to top, of Middle Wisconsin Gilman Canyon Formation,
Late Wisconsin Peoria Loess, Brady Soil, Holocene Bignell
Loess, and other interbedded and associated paleosols
(Zanner and Kuzila 2001, Zanner et al. 2007). The fact
that the original basins are blanketed by loess of the
Gilman Canyon Formation clearly demonstrates that the
original Rainwater Basins are greater than 30,000 to 40,000
years TL and C14 (Johnson et al. 2008; Wiley 2009). It is
quite obvious that the Rainwater Basins are far too old to
be associated with any hypothetical Younger Dryas event.

The presence of an intact and undisturbed blanket of Late
Wisconsin Peoria Loess, Middle Wisconsin loess of the
Gilman Canyon Formation, and associated paleosols
covering the original Rainwater Basins makes any
association between the them and the Younger Dryas a
complete and utter physical impossibility as extraterrestrial
impacts cannot create craters tens of thousands of years
before they happen.

Go look at:

Johnson, W. C., Willey, K. L., Mason, J. A., and May, D. W.,
2007, Stratigraphy and environmental reconstruction at
the Middle Wisconsinan Gilman Canyon Formation type
locality, Buzzard's Roost, southwestern Nebraska, U.S.A.
Quaternary Research. vol. 67, pp. 474-486.
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.yqres.2007.01.011

Wiley, K. L., 2009, Environmental and Pedogenic Change
in the Central Great Plains from the Middle Wisconsinan
to the Present. Unpublished PhD. dissertation, Department
of Geography, University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas.
http://hdl.handle.net/1808/5590

Zanner, C. W., and M. S. Kuzila, 2001, Nebraska's Carolina
bays. Geological Society of America Abstracts with Programs,
v. 33, no. 6, pp. 438.

Zanner, C. W., W. Dort, Jr., and S. R. Bozarth, 2007,
Holocene Bognell Loess Chronology. Stratigraphy and
paleoenvironemntal reconstructions from within a loess
table, Southwestern, Nebraska. Geological Society of
America Abstracts with Programs, v. 39, no. 3, pp. 73.

Yours, Paul H.

POSTED BY LUNARMETEORITE*HUNTER AT 14:12
LABELS: CRACKPOT RESEARCH, LOESS DEPOSITS,
RAINWATER BASINS, YD IMPACTS


http://theepistlesofpaul.blogspot.com/2010/09/debate-over-younger-dryas-impact.html

SATURDAY, 4 SEPTEMBER 2010

Debate Over Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis Continues
Saturday, September 4, 2010 3:39 AM
by Paul H.

On the side of people disputing the Younger Dryas Impact
hypothesis there is:

Kerr, R. A., 2010, Mammoth-Killer Impact Rejected.
Science Now, August 30, 2010
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2010/08/mammoth-killer-impact-rejected.html

Dalton, R., 2010, Comet theory carbonized: Sediment
studies rule out impact as cause of ancient cold spell.
Nature News. August 31, 2010.
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100831/full/news.2010.44

Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays Buyer Protection is Guaranteed

2010-09-06 Thread Richard Montgomery
We agree, Eric, on the point of adressing free flow of the market and 
unfettered flow of choice in the marketplace.  I'm pointing out the 
vulnerabilities of all the stuff with which we all have a choice to 
participate.


I'm wondering, about concerns for those of us with feedback positive 
records? I'm always looking at the feedback numbers. Private sector business 
works on the same principle.  (Although, I'm looking at the potential 
monopoly-aspects you suggest.  Maybe this is when we separate our meteritic 
passions from the always-looming and inevitable $$$ confusion that lurks 
around the corner.)


One thing about my wordsthey are always concise.  As to "what you're 
saying is..." that's one of those rhetorical methods used sometimes, but 
I'll always mention how inference isn't actual words.  No worries.


Let's aim.  Our focus should be on honesty in the marketplace.  I think this 
is what we are both pointing out.


(BTW, yes, I think the citizens should always be aware of a government's 
attempt to prempt the private sector, and as such "fear" the degradation of 
the knowledgle-of-the-population-in-general to recognize it's self 
determination!  But no, not a "fear" of the gov'ment, just a warning for us 
all to be on guard.)


Back to the passion of meteorites.



- Original Message - 
From: "Meteorites USA" 

To: "Richard Montgomery" 
Cc: "'Meteorite-list List'" 
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays Buyer Protection is Guaranteed


Hi Richard, we're all accountable to the same government, including Ebay 
and Paypal. I'm for less government, but I'm also for freedom of speech 
and human rights as well. Some conflict of interest there huh? There must 
be a balance. Positive/negative, good/bad, light/dark... Ebay and Paypal's 
policy is not balanced between buyer and seller and themselves. Careful 
not to invite thugs from the gov? So you're saying the citizens of the USA 
should fear the government? The government exists for and by the people, 
or did I read the U.S. Constitution wrong? ;) Microsoft got taken to court 
for their anti-trust violations for creating a monopoly. The only reason 
there's no laws against what Paypal and Ebay are doing is because the laws 
haven't been written yet.


I will agree. I love Ebay's marketplace, and Paypal's convenience. But I 
don't like it so much when they take my money without asking. There's a 
word for that.


Eric


On 9/6/2010 6:43 PM, Richard Montgomery wrote:
Eric...maybe a good thing we have paid our dues?  Ebay, Paypal, all these 
auction sites are private enterprises, hopefully not a dying entity. 
Private enterprise should exist before intrusive action by a confiscatory 
government and stupid-Congress crap restricts us forever.  Good to 
remember our status as private.


Let's be careful not to invite even more thugs from the Gov'ment, 
intruding further regs into our passion.


One thing we should all be cautious of, the looming "AUDIT BY THE IRS" 
question.  We all claim our on-line salesright?  (ahem)




- Original Message - From: "Meteorites USA" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays Buyer Protection is Guaranteed


This crap by Paypal is something that should be illegal! it's true that 
sellers with less than 100 feedback will have their funds placed on 
hold. Do you have ANY idea how this "Buyer Protection" actually works 
logistically? Paypal places a hold on the funds of the seller for up to 
21 days until the buyer receives their item and/or gives positive 
feedback. This means the seller is forced to not oly wait until the 
"buyer" decides to give feedback, but they also must dip into their own 
pocket to ship and item that the buyer is supposed to pay shipping for. 
Paypal and Ebay decided to "secure" the order with the sellers money to 
"protect the buyer". Paypal risks nothing, the buyer risks nothing, and 
the seller not only risks the cost of the item, they must now increase 
their overall costs to cover the extra shipping expenditures caused by 
these arbitrary holds on the funds. Meanwhile, during that 21 day 
period, Paypal is earning interest on that money. What of the earnings 
that Papal is making during that 21 day hold? How many millions of 
dollars from how many thousands of sellers is tied up during this time? 
Even 1/2 percent in interest on $1 Million over 21 days is $5000. Do 
sellers see any of those earnings? Nope. Paypal pockets this money and 
no one says a word. It should be illegal. It's a policy Paypal and Ebay 
have formed simply as a cash machine. Oh yeah, one more thing, does 
ANYONE else see the obvious conflict of interest that Ebay has in owning 
it's own payment gateway? This is basically forcing ALL sellers to 
accept only Paypal as the primary payment method, or get their own 
merchant account. Both of which increases sellers costs. Hell, sellers 
aren't even allo

[meteorite-list] AD- Ebay - Sikhote-Alin and Campo del Cielo!

2010-09-06 Thread Felipe Guajardo
Hi, hope everyone had a great labor day weekend. I posted some very
nice Sikhote-Alins and Campo del Cielo Meteorites on Ebay ending this
sunday. Take a look here:
http://shop.ebay.com/felipemiami/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

Good luck bidding!

-- 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays Buyer Protection is Guaranteed

2010-09-06 Thread Meteorites USA
Hi Richard, we're all accountable to the same government, including Ebay 
and Paypal. I'm for less government, but I'm also for freedom of speech 
and human rights as well. Some conflict of interest there huh? There 
must be a balance. Positive/negative, good/bad, light/dark... Ebay and 
Paypal's policy is not balanced between buyer and seller and themselves. 
Careful not to invite thugs from the gov? So you're saying the citizens 
of the USA should fear the government? The government exists for and by 
the people, or did I read the U.S. Constitution wrong? ;) Microsoft got 
taken to court for their anti-trust violations for creating a monopoly. 
The only reason there's no laws against what Paypal and Ebay are doing 
is because the laws haven't been written yet.


I will agree. I love Ebay's marketplace, and Paypal's convenience. But I 
don't like it so much when they take my money without asking. There's a 
word for that.


Eric


On 9/6/2010 6:43 PM, Richard Montgomery wrote:
Eric...maybe a good thing we have paid our dues?  Ebay, Paypal, all 
these auction sites are private enterprises, hopefully not a dying 
entity. Private enterprise should exist before intrusive action by a 
confiscatory government and stupid-Congress crap restricts us 
forever.  Good to remember our status as private.


Let's be careful not to invite even more thugs from the Gov'ment, 
intruding further regs into our passion.


One thing we should all be cautious of, the looming "AUDIT BY THE IRS" 
question.  We all claim our on-line salesright?  (ahem)




- Original Message - From: "Meteorites USA" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays Buyer Protection is Guaranteed


This crap by Paypal is something that should be illegal! it's true 
that sellers with less than 100 feedback will have their funds placed 
on hold. Do you have ANY idea how this "Buyer Protection" actually 
works logistically? Paypal places a hold on the funds of the seller 
for up to 21 days until the buyer receives their item and/or gives 
positive feedback. This means the seller is forced to not oly wait 
until the "buyer" decides to give feedback, but they also must dip 
into their own pocket to ship and item that the buyer is supposed to 
pay shipping for. Paypal and Ebay decided to "secure" the order with 
the sellers money to "protect the buyer". Paypal risks nothing, the 
buyer risks nothing, and the seller not only risks the cost of the 
item, they must now increase their overall costs to cover the extra 
shipping expenditures caused by these arbitrary holds on the funds. 
Meanwhile, during that 21 day period, Paypal is earning interest on 
that money. What of the earnings that Papal is making during that 21 
day hold? How many millions of dollars from how many thousands of 
sellers is tied up during this time? Even 1/2 percent in interest on 
$1 Million over 21 days is $5000. Do sellers see any of those 
earnings? Nope. Paypal pockets this money and no one says a word. It 
should be illegal. It's a policy Paypal and Ebay have formed simply 
as a cash machine. Oh yeah, one more thing, does ANYONE else see the 
obvious conflict of interest that Ebay has in owning it's own payment 
gateway? This is basically forcing ALL sellers to accept only Paypal 
as the primary payment method, or get their own merchant account. 
Both of which increases sellers costs. Hell, sellers aren't even 
allowed to accept money orders or personal checks anymore. All this 
is designed to increase Paypal's earnings through the fees associated 
with processing these payments that would normally be paid for by 
check or money order. LOL I think it's funny people promote Ebay's 
Buyer Protection without a second thought. It should be called 
"Seller Extortion" instead. Whatever...


Eric



On 9/1/2010 9:03 AM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:

Tom, List,
Apparently there is some cofusion about ebay buyer protection.
It is a great thing and it is worry free if you follow directions as 
follows here.

  Pay pals number is 800-514-4920.

I just called and Amy explained it completely and eBay now has 100% 
buyer

protection. Guaranteed.
The particulars are;
1. Must be an eBay purchase.
2. Must be paid to PayPal linked through eBay.
  In other words don't pay directly at PayPal site. Pay only by 
using link

through eBay so, the transaction number is on the payment itself.
3. Sellers with under 100 feedbacks will not have your funds 
released until one of

the following ;
either 21 days pass. or seller supplies eBay with a delivery 
confirmation
showing the item has been delivered to you. or you leave the seller 
positive

feedback. So, for the first 21 days things are easy.
All that said. EBay guarantees all sales with no dollar  limit for 
45 days.  Period.

You are guaranteed not to be ripped off on every eBay sale.
There is absolutely NO risk at all to any buyer at any time. So, yes 
buy from

anyone . even people with zero feedbacks a

Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays Buyer Protection is Guaranteed

2010-09-06 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks
eBay abandoned it's sellers long ago in favor of catering to buyers.
It's part of the reason I left eBay and set up my own ecommerce
website.  And I have never looked back - my sales are better through
my own website and I only pay $9.95 a month, regardless of how much I
sell.  If I sell a million dollars worth of merchandise, my fee is
still only $9.95.

Sure, eBay has more traffic and visitors than any other marketplace,
but that does not always translate into sales.  And in my case, it
didn't.  The minute I left eBay, my sales quadrupled.

But, I still buy on eBay and I keep a token listing or two going just
to act as a "business card" in the listings - and that practice is
going to end next month when I quit eBay entirely as a seller.

If you are a buyer, eBay is great, because eBay will completely cater
to you at the expense of the seller.  I've gotten some great deals on
eBay as a buyer.

So thus is the nature of my love-hate relationship with eBay.  :)

BTW - for you eBay meteorite dealers, when you are reading to stop
getting raped on fees, check out HighWire ecommerce -
http://app.highwire.com/?ref=meteorite

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 9/6/10, Meteorites USA  wrote:
> This crap by Paypal is something that should be illegal! it's true that
> sellers with less than 100 feedback will have their funds placed on
> hold. Do you have ANY idea how this "Buyer Protection" actually works
> logistically? Paypal places a hold on the funds of the seller for up to
> 21 days until the buyer receives their item and/or gives positive
> feedback. This means the seller is forced to not oly wait until the
> "buyer" decides to give feedback, but they also must dip into their own
> pocket to ship and item that the buyer is supposed to pay shipping for.
> Paypal and Ebay decided to "secure" the order with the sellers money to
> "protect the buyer". Paypal risks nothing, the buyer risks nothing, and
> the seller not only risks the cost of the item, they must now increase
> their overall costs to cover the extra shipping expenditures caused by
> these arbitrary holds on the funds. Meanwhile, during that 21 day
> period, Paypal is earning interest on that money. What of the earnings
> that Papal is making during that 21 day hold? How many millions of
> dollars from how many thousands of sellers is tied up during this time?
> Even 1/2 percent in interest on $1 Million over 21 days is $5000. Do
> sellers see any of those earnings? Nope. Paypal pockets this money and
> no one says a word. It should be illegal. It's a policy Paypal and Ebay
> have formed simply as a cash machine. Oh yeah, one more thing, does
> ANYONE else see the obvious conflict of interest that Ebay has in owning
> it's own payment gateway? This is basically forcing ALL sellers to
> accept only Paypal as the primary payment method, or get their own
> merchant account. Both of which increases sellers costs. Hell, sellers
> aren't even allowed to accept money orders or personal checks anymore.
> All this is designed to increase Paypal's earnings through the fees
> associated with processing these payments that would normally be paid
> for by check or money order. LOL I think it's funny people promote
> Ebay's Buyer Protection without a second thought. It should be called
> "Seller Extortion" instead. Whatever...
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> On 9/1/2010 9:03 AM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:
>> Tom, List,
>> Apparently there is some cofusion about ebay buyer protection.
>> It is a great thing and it is worry free if you follow directions as
>> follows here.
>>   Pay pals number is 800-514-4920.
>>
>> I just called and Amy explained it completely and eBay now has 100% buyer
>> protection. Guaranteed.
>> The particulars are;
>> 1. Must be an eBay purchase.
>> 2. Must be paid to PayPal linked through eBay.
>>   In other words don't pay directly at PayPal site. Pay only by using link
>> through eBay so, the transaction number is on the payment itself.
>> 3. Sellers with under 100 feedbacks will not have your funds released
>> until one of
>> the following ;
>> either 21 days pass. or seller supplies eBay with a delivery confirmation
>> showing the item has been delivered to you. or you leave the seller
>> positive
>> feedback. So, for the first 21 days things are easy.
>> All that said. EBay guarantees all sales with no dollar  limit for 45
>> days.  Period.
>> You are guaranteed not to be ripped off on every eBay sale.
>> There is absolutely NO risk at all to any buyer at any time. So, yes buy
>> from
>> anyone . even people with zero f

Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays Buyer Protection is Guaranteed

2010-09-06 Thread Richard Montgomery
Eric...maybe a good thing we have paid our dues?  Ebay, Paypal, all these 
auction sites are private enterprises, hopefully not a dying entity. 
Private enterprise should exist before intrusive action by a confiscatory 
government and stupid-Congress crap restricts us forever.  Good to remember 
our status as private.


Let's be careful not to invite even more thugs from the Gov'ment, intruding 
further regs into our passion.


One thing we should all be cautious of, the looming "AUDIT BY THE IRS" 
question.  We all claim our on-line salesright?  (ahem)




- Original Message - 
From: "Meteorites USA" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays Buyer Protection is Guaranteed


This crap by Paypal is something that should be illegal! it's true that 
sellers with less than 100 feedback will have their funds placed on hold. 
Do you have ANY idea how this "Buyer Protection" actually works 
logistically? Paypal places a hold on the funds of the seller for up to 21 
days until the buyer receives their item and/or gives positive feedback. 
This means the seller is forced to not oly wait until the "buyer" decides 
to give feedback, but they also must dip into their own pocket to ship and 
item that the buyer is supposed to pay shipping for. Paypal and Ebay 
decided to "secure" the order with the sellers money to "protect the 
buyer". Paypal risks nothing, the buyer risks nothing, and the seller not 
only risks the cost of the item, they must now increase their overall 
costs to cover the extra shipping expenditures caused by these arbitrary 
holds on the funds. Meanwhile, during that 21 day period, Paypal is 
earning interest on that money. What of the earnings that Papal is making 
during that 21 day hold? How many millions of dollars from how many 
thousands of sellers is tied up during this time? Even 1/2 percent in 
interest on $1 Million over 21 days is $5000. Do sellers see any of those 
earnings? Nope. Paypal pockets this money and no one says a word. It 
should be illegal. It's a policy Paypal and Ebay have formed simply as a 
cash machine. Oh yeah, one more thing, does ANYONE else see the obvious 
conflict of interest that Ebay has in owning it's own payment gateway? 
This is basically forcing ALL sellers to accept only Paypal as the primary 
payment method, or get their own merchant account. Both of which increases 
sellers costs. Hell, sellers aren't even allowed to accept money orders or 
personal checks anymore. All this is designed to increase Paypal's 
earnings through the fees associated with processing these payments that 
would normally be paid for by check or money order. LOL I think it's funny 
people promote Ebay's Buyer Protection without a second thought. It should 
be called "Seller Extortion" instead. Whatever...


Eric



On 9/1/2010 9:03 AM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:

Tom, List,
Apparently there is some cofusion about ebay buyer protection.
It is a great thing and it is worry free if you follow directions as 
follows here.

  Pay pals number is 800-514-4920.

I just called and Amy explained it completely and eBay now has 100% buyer
protection. Guaranteed.
The particulars are;
1. Must be an eBay purchase.
2. Must be paid to PayPal linked through eBay.
  In other words don't pay directly at PayPal site. Pay only by using 
link

through eBay so, the transaction number is on the payment itself.
3. Sellers with under 100 feedbacks will not have your funds released 
until one of

the following ;
either 21 days pass. or seller supplies eBay with a delivery confirmation
showing the item has been delivered to you. or you leave the seller 
positive

feedback. So, for the first 21 days things are easy.
All that said. EBay guarantees all sales with no dollar  limit for 45 
days.  Period.

You are guaranteed not to be ripped off on every eBay sale.
There is absolutely NO risk at all to any buyer at any time. So, yes buy 
from

anyone . even people with zero feedbacks are okay.
She noted that this has only been the policy for about a year. Prior to 
that

people could lose but not any more..
She went on to say that if you click on the words "buyer protection plan" 
this

is all explained in writing as well.
I am going to post this last part on list but to be sure if you would 
respond to

it ON LIST to make sure it posts. Thanks.
Carl


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[meteorite-list] Available for Trade page updated - AD

2010-09-06 Thread Dave Gheesling
Hi All,

Apologies for the delay in resetting this page (to those who have been
inquiring about specimens), but here's the updated link:

http://fallingrocks.com/trade.htm

All the best,

Dave Gheesling
IMCA #5967
www.fallingrocks.com 

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[meteorite-list] More Info on Ancient Aeroliths and Baetyli

2010-09-06 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum


Interesting stuff:

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1939JRASC..33..177A/177.000.html

Phil Whitmer 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays Buyer Protection is Guaranteed

2010-09-06 Thread Meteorites USA
This crap by Paypal is something that should be illegal! it's true that 
sellers with less than 100 feedback will have their funds placed on 
hold. Do you have ANY idea how this "Buyer Protection" actually works 
logistically? Paypal places a hold on the funds of the seller for up to 
21 days until the buyer receives their item and/or gives positive 
feedback. This means the seller is forced to not oly wait until the 
"buyer" decides to give feedback, but they also must dip into their own 
pocket to ship and item that the buyer is supposed to pay shipping for. 
Paypal and Ebay decided to "secure" the order with the sellers money to 
"protect the buyer". Paypal risks nothing, the buyer risks nothing, and 
the seller not only risks the cost of the item, they must now increase 
their overall costs to cover the extra shipping expenditures caused by 
these arbitrary holds on the funds. Meanwhile, during that 21 day 
period, Paypal is earning interest on that money. What of the earnings 
that Papal is making during that 21 day hold? How many millions of 
dollars from how many thousands of sellers is tied up during this time? 
Even 1/2 percent in interest on $1 Million over 21 days is $5000. Do 
sellers see any of those earnings? Nope. Paypal pockets this money and 
no one says a word. It should be illegal. It's a policy Paypal and Ebay 
have formed simply as a cash machine. Oh yeah, one more thing, does 
ANYONE else see the obvious conflict of interest that Ebay has in owning 
it's own payment gateway? This is basically forcing ALL sellers to 
accept only Paypal as the primary payment method, or get their own 
merchant account. Both of which increases sellers costs. Hell, sellers 
aren't even allowed to accept money orders or personal checks anymore. 
All this is designed to increase Paypal's earnings through the fees 
associated with processing these payments that would normally be paid 
for by check or money order. LOL I think it's funny people promote 
Ebay's Buyer Protection without a second thought. It should be called 
"Seller Extortion" instead. Whatever...


Eric



On 9/1/2010 9:03 AM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote:

Tom, List,
Apparently there is some cofusion about ebay buyer protection.
It is a great thing and it is worry free if you follow directions as follows 
here.
  Pay pals number is 800-514-4920.

I just called and Amy explained it completely and eBay now has 100% buyer
protection. Guaranteed.
The particulars are;
1. Must be an eBay purchase.
2. Must be paid to PayPal linked through eBay.
  In other words don't pay directly at PayPal site. Pay only by using link
through eBay so, the transaction number is on the payment itself.
3. Sellers with under 100 feedbacks will not have your funds released until one 
of
the following ;
either 21 days pass. or seller supplies eBay with a delivery confirmation
showing the item has been delivered to you. or you leave the seller positive
feedback. So, for the first 21 days things are easy.
All that said. EBay guarantees all sales with no dollar  limit for 45 days.  
Period.
You are guaranteed not to be ripped off on every eBay sale.
There is absolutely NO risk at all to any buyer at any time. So, yes buy from
anyone . even people with zero feedbacks are okay.
She noted that this has only been the policy for about a year. Prior to that
people could lose but not any more..
She went on to say that if you click on the words "buyer protection plan"  this
is all explained in writing as well.
I am going to post this last part on list but to be sure if you would respond to
it ON LIST to make sure it posts. Thanks.
Carl
   

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on American Chopper Thursday on TLC

2010-09-06 Thread Stuart McDaniel

It was a magnet stuck to it.

COOL BIKE BY THE WAY TOO GUYS!!!

Is there anywhere we can get pictures of it??


Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
Secretary,
Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society
- Original Message - 
From: "bill kies" 

To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on American Chopper Thursday on 
TLC




What's that rectangular wedge sticking out of the Campo? Is it natural or a 
modification so they can mount it on the bike?


Bill




Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:04:48 -0700
From: damoc...@yahoo.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on American Chopper Thursday 
on TLC


A sneak preview of the Meteorite Men chopper can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exgh4R3AnoM


--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


--- On Tue, 8/31/10, tett wrote:

> From: tett
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on American Chopper Thursday 
> on TLC

> To: meteorh...@aol.com
> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 4:35 PM
> Steve,
>
> Now that is cool. My two passions are meteroties and
> motorcycles. Both keep me in the poor house and you
> can nevert have too many of either. Now combine in one
> episode!
>
> Will see if I can get it taped from the States
>
> Cheers and Concratulations on your show.
>
> Mike Tettenborn
>
> On 31/08/2010 11:38 AM, meteorh...@aol.com
> wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > Greetings from Sunny London. Finally a break in
> our shooting of the second season of Meteorite Men, just in
> time to get home to watch some TV.
> >
> > Just as a quick heads up, Geoff and I are going to be
> guests on American Chopper this Thursday on TLC.
> >
> > For those who don't know, we get our meteorite bike
> from Orange County Choppers so it should be fun.
> >
> > Steve Arnold
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: "Martin Altmann"
> > Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:48:18
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR
> NOT TO BE?
> >
> > Hi Shawn,
> >
> > I think, you can answer some of your questions by
> yourself.
> >
> > Outstretch your arm. On your extended arm look on the
> tip of your little
> > finger.
> > The finger nail of your pinky is the Earth.
> >
> > Imagine, your room has no walls - or go in the
> garden.
> >
> > 250 yards away from your fingernail, that's where the
> meteorites come from.
> >
> >
> > So it's possibly not so important, where exactly on
> your fingernail they
> > will hit.
> >
> >
> > ...and as strained you'll squint your eyes,
> > it's impossible to match a Shawn, a Mike, an Aziz, a
> Martin, a Bevan... on
> > your nail :-)
> >
> >
> > Best!
> > Martin
> >
> >
> >
> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> > Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
> Im Auftrag von Shawn
> > Alan
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. August 2010 03:25
> > An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT
> TO BE?
> >
> > Hello Listers,
> > I was doing an Internet search today
> on meteorites and came across a write
> > up about NWA meteorites. I would have to say it was a
> good write up
> > considering there isn't much about the history of
> NWA's on the Internet. The
> > write up covered topics from the NWA gold rush, to how
> this affected sales
> > and peoples desert meteorite collections, and how NWA
> meteorites by some can
> > be seen as inferior to other meteorites. All these
> points do bring up some
> > interesting view points in the meteorite community. I
> wonder what peoples
> > take is on NWA meteorites and how the classification
> works or doesn't work
> > with some finds?
> > Why I ask this is because some of the
> NWA meteorites on eBay are NWA xxx
> > meteorites, meaning those meteorites haven't been
> classified and probably
> > wont. Now to me for every NWA meteorite excluding the
> Lunar and Martian
> > meteorites could be almost unique in its owe if there
> is only a select few
> > people that get these stones classified, making the
> NWA meteorite market
> > confusing and regulated by only classifying certain
> meteorites and
> > disregarding others. And as for selling NWA meteorites
> how does one
> > determine the price point when the TKW and location is
> unknown? Is it to be or not to be when
> collecting NWA meteorites. this draw back
> > could affect the classification and make it more
> confusing compared to finds
> > in the US and Europe. If I went to the Muffin strewn
> field and found some
> > meteorites, I wouldn't have to get them
> classified because of the
> > documentation of a fall being there. But on the other
> hand, if I went to
> > Africa and found some meteorites I would be SOL and
> the only way I could
> > know wha

Re: [meteorite-list] Nemesis

2010-09-06 Thread Sterling K. Webb

Hi, Rob, Steve, List,


In other words, the orbit would not be stable...


   The originator of the Nemesis hypothesis says exactly
the same thing: not stable. What Richard Muller has
proposed is that our Sun has a small stellar companion
that becomes more eccentric with each of the many local
perturbations by passing stars through the life of the
solar system.
http://muller.lbl.gov/pages/lbl-nem.htm

   The orbit gets "longer" and the timing of passages
through Oortville varies as the aeons pass. (THAT'S
a clever touch.) That's why the periodicity varies the way
that it does. In the early days of the solar system, the
passages did not "dig into" the Oort Cloud, but as the
orbit elongates, the passages get "deeper" and the
disturbances of objects greater and change frequency.

   The picture it suggests to me is that Life was content
to spend its days at the beach of shallow warm tropical
seas, reading the latest best-seller, for billions of slowly
evolving years, until things got nasty enough to stimulate
some genetic response to the increasing upset, forcing a
complexity to arise.

   As it happens, the solar system impact rate has shot
back up over the last 400 to 600 million years to early-days
rates, another "fit," or circumstantial evidence, take your pick:
http://muller.lbl.gov/papers/Lunar_impacts_Nemesis.pdf

   So, the "non-stability" of the orbit is part and parcel
of the theory. If the Boogie Man Star is out there, WISE
should spot it. But it's going to take a long time to process
all that data and then acquire parallax data on all the
candidates.

   Even then, if the current orbital motion is opposite to the
direction of parallax shift, no accurate estimate of distance
will be calculated right now. It could take a few years to get
it right.

   Nemesises can be tricky.


Sterling K. Webb
--
- Original Message - 
From: "Rob Matson" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nemesis



Hi Steve,

I Just read "Rocks from space" and in the end of the book they 
mention

Nemesis in the Oort cloud as being a red dwarf with a cycle of 26 to
30 million years.


The theory that the sun has a long period, highly eccentric, red dwarf
or brown dwarf companion is based on a ~perceived~ periodicity in
earth's mass extinction record. From a strictly dynamical standpoint,
it is a rather unlikely theory, IMO, since the dwarf orbit's required
semi-major axis is so great that it would be subject to perturbations
by nearby stars. In other words, the orbit would not be stable.

Thanks to WISE (the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer), we shall
soon be able to confirm or discard this theory. WISE is sensitive
enough to detect any red dwarf or brown dwarf out to distances
an order of magnitude greater than Nemesis' greatest possible
distance. Even a Jupiter-mass object would be detectable at a
distance of 1 light year, while a three-Jupiter-mass object
would be detectable at 10 light years' distance.

Realistically, if Nemesis exists it is almost certainly not a red
dwarf as it would already have been discovered. A brown dwarf is
the largest realistic candidate, and some Nemesis proponents
theorize that its mass is only 3-5 times that of Jupiter -- too
small to even be categorized as a brown dwarf. (Brown dwarf
minimum size is 13 Jupiter masses -- the minimum mass to fuse
deuterium.)

So far WISE has discovered two unambiguous brown dwarfs (and a
number of brown dwarf candidates), although their distances are
not yet known. Follow-up measurements must be made by other
instruments to measure their parallaxes, but I suspect these
first two are more than 3 light years away (too distant to be
Nemesis candidates).

--Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on American Chopper Thursday on TLC

2010-09-06 Thread bill kies

What's that rectangular wedge sticking out of the Campo? Is it natural or a 
modification so they can mount it on the bike?
 
Bill



> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:04:48 -0700
> From: damoc...@yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on American Chopper Thursday on 
> TLC
>
> A sneak preview of the Meteorite Men chopper can be found here:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exgh4R3AnoM
>
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> Full Moon Photography
> IMCA #1081
>
>
> --- On Tue, 8/31/10, tett wrote:
>
> > From: tett 
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on American Chopper Thursday on 
> > TLC
> > To: meteorh...@aol.com
> > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Tuesday, August 31, 2010, 4:35 PM
> > Steve,
> >
> > Now that is cool. My two passions are meteroties and
> > motorcycles. Both keep me in the poor house and you
> > can nevert have too many of either. Now combine in one
> > episode!
> >
> > Will see if I can get it taped from the States
> >
> > Cheers and Concratulations on your show.
> >
> > Mike Tettenborn
> >
> > On 31/08/2010 11:38 AM, meteorh...@aol.com
> > wrote:
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Greetings from Sunny London. Finally a break in
> > our shooting of the second season of Meteorite Men, just in
> > time to get home to watch some TV.
> > >
> > > Just as a quick heads up, Geoff and I are going to be
> > guests on American Chopper this Thursday on TLC.
> > >
> > > For those who don't know, we get our meteorite bike
> > from Orange County Choppers so it should be fun.
> > >
> > > Steve Arnold
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: "Martin Altmann"
> > > Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> > > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:48:18
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR
> > NOT TO BE?
> > >
> > > Hi Shawn,
> > >
> > > I think, you can answer some of your questions by
> > yourself.
> > >
> > > Outstretch your arm. On your extended arm look on the
> > tip of your little
> > > finger.
> > > The finger nail of your pinky is the Earth.
> > >
> > > Imagine, your room has no walls - or go in the
> > garden.
> > >
> > > 250 yards away from your fingernail, that's where the
> > meteorites come from.
> > >
> > >
> > > So it's possibly not so important, where exactly on
> > your fingernail they
> > > will hit.
> > >
> > >
> > > ...and as strained you'll squint your eyes,
> > > it's impossible to match a Shawn, a Mike, an Aziz, a
> > Martin, a Bevan... on
> > > your nail :-)
> > >
> > >
> > > Best!
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> > > Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> > > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
> > Im Auftrag von Shawn
> > > Alan
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. August 2010 03:25
> > > An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > > Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT
> > TO BE?
> > >
> > > Hello Listers,
> > > I was doing an Internet search today
> > on meteorites and came across a write
> > > up about NWA meteorites. I would have to say it was a
> > good write up
> > > considering there isn't much about the history of
> > NWA's on the Internet. The
> > > write up covered topics from the NWA gold rush, to how
> > this affected sales
> > > and peoples desert meteorite collections, and how NWA
> > meteorites by some can
> > > be seen as inferior to other meteorites. All these
> > points do bring up some
> > > interesting view points in the meteorite community. I
> > wonder what peoples
> > > take is on NWA meteorites and how the classification
> > works or doesn't work
> > > with some finds?
> > > Why I ask this is because some of the
> > NWA meteorites on eBay are NWA xxx
> > > meteorites, meaning those meteorites haven't been
> > classified and probably
> > > wont. Now to me for every NWA meteorite excluding the
> > Lunar and Martian
> > > meteorites could be almost unique in its owe if there
> > is only a select few
> > > people that get these stones classified, making the
> > NWA meteorite market
> > > confusing and regulated by only classifying certain
> > meteorites and
> > > disregarding others. And as for selling NWA meteorites
> > how does one
> > > determine the price point when the TKW and location is
> > unknown? Is it to be or not to be when
> > collecting NWA meteorites. this draw back
> > > could affect the classification and make it more
> > confusing compared to finds
> > > in the US and Europe. If I went to the Muffin strewn
> > field and found some
> > > meteorites, I wouldn't have to get them
> > classified because of the
> > > documentation of a fall being there. But on the other
> > hand, if I went to
> > > Africa and found some meteorites I would be SOL and
> > the only way I could
> > > know what the meteorite was is if I got it classified,
> > which I am not sure
> >

[meteorite-list] NWA 6291 Angrite NWA 6353 AD.

2010-09-06 Thread cdtucson
List,
Please see my latest offerings on Ebay of the two hottest meteorites around.
NWA 6291 Angrite 
NWA 5363 Earth -related paired with NWA 5400.
Ending on Sunday but still at . 99 cents.No Reserve. 
Thanks for looking. see link;

http://shop.ebay.com/meteoritemax/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25

Carl
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[meteorite-list] Ebays Buyer Protection is Guaranteed

2010-09-06 Thread cdtucson
Tom, List,
Apparently there is some cofusion about ebay buyer protection.
It is a great thing and it is worry free if you follow directions as follows 
here.
 Pay pals number is 800-514-4920. 

I just called and Amy explained it completely and eBay now has 100% buyer 
protection. Guaranteed. 
The particulars are; 
1. Must be an eBay purchase. 
2. Must be paid to PayPal linked through eBay. 
 In other words don't pay directly at PayPal site. Pay only by using link 
through eBay so, the transaction number is on the payment itself. 
3. Sellers with under 100 feedbacks will not have your funds released until one 
of 
the following ; 
either 21 days pass. or seller supplies eBay with a delivery confirmation 
showing the item has been delivered to you. or you leave the seller positive 
feedback. So, for the first 21 days things are easy. 
All that said. EBay guarantees all sales with no dollar  limit for 45 days.  
Period. 
You are guaranteed not to be ripped off on every eBay sale. 
There is absolutely NO risk at all to any buyer at any time. So, yes buy from 
anyone . even people with zero feedbacks are okay. 
She noted that this has only been the policy for about a year. Prior to that 
people could lose but not any more.. 
She went on to say that if you click on the words "buyer protection plan"  this 
is all explained in writing as well. 
I am going to post this last part on list but to be sure if you would respond 
to 
it ON LIST to make sure it posts. Thanks. 
Carl 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Book Wanted

2010-09-06 Thread cdtucson

Thomas,
I purchased my copy directly from Marvin. As of the last Gem Show he still had 
plenty to sell. I would contact him directly as he actually gave me a 
discounted price and he signed it. . Best to you. see link ;

http://www.meteoritelab.com/estore/?findid=185&c=Books


Carl
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 Thomas Webb  wrote: 
> List,
> I'm still looking for a copy!
> TW
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 9/3/10, Thomas Webb  wrote:
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> > From: Thomas Webb 
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Book Wanted
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 12:12 PM
> 
> > List,
> > Do any of you have a copy of "A Color Atlas of Meteorites in
> > Thin Section" by Lauretta and Killgore that you would like to
> > sell at a discounted price?  Email me offlist if you
> > do.
> > Thanks,
> > Thomas
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[meteorite-list] From the Admin - delayed posts apologies

2010-09-06 Thread Art
Good Evening;

My apologies for any delayed posts over the last several days - just
back from the Black Rock Desert.  I'll free up any messages in the
queue tonight.

-Art
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Re: [meteorite-list] The Holy Bible from 1835 has a section about meteorites!

2010-09-06 Thread Meteorites USA

And my favorite:

"...the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them..."

This and 15 other "translations" of this passage from 15 other versions 
of the "Bible" are available for your reading pleasure.

http://bible.cc/joshua/10-11.htm

Do I hear 16, 17, 18... SOLD at 20!

Regards,
Eric





On 9/6/2010 4:41 PM, Shawn Alan wrote:

Hello Listers,
  Hope everyone is having a great holiday weekend. Today I have had a 
lot of time in front of the computer cause some how my neck is messed 
up, I have head ache from it, and allergies are acting up. So I got 
to researching and found that the Holy Bible from the 1800's has a 
section in it about the Ensisheim and L'Aigle meteorite fall. Who 
would have know this, is this something that is commonly found in the 
Bible, charts and write ups about meteorite falls? Down below is the 
link to the section about those meteorites in the HOLY BIBLE from the 
1835 publication.
  
http://books.google.com/books?id=uis-YAAJ&dq=L'Aigle%2C%20France%2C%201803&pg=PA885#v=onepage&q=L'Aigle,%20France,%201803&f=true 


  Shawn Alan
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Re: [meteorite-list] The Holy Bible from 1835 has a section about meteorites!

2010-09-06 Thread Meteorites USA

And my favorite:

"...the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them..."

This and 15 other "translations" of this passage from 15 other versions 
of the "Bible" are available for your reading pleasure.


Do I hear 16, 17, 18... SOLD at 20!

Regards,
Eric



On 9/6/2010 4:41 PM, Shawn Alan wrote:

Hello Listers,
  
Hope everyone is having a great holiday weekend. Today I have had a lot of time in front of the computer cause some how my neck is messed up, I have head ache from it, and allergies are acting up. So I got to researching and found that the Holy Bible from the 1800's has a section in it about the Ensisheim and L'Aigle meteorite fall. Who would have know this, is this something that is commonly found in the Bible, charts and write ups about meteorite falls? Down below is the link to the section about those meteorites in the HOLY BIBLE from the 1835 publication.
  
http://books.google.com/books?id=uis-YAAJ&dq=L'Aigle%2C%20France%2C%201803&pg=PA885#v=onepage&q=L'Aigle,%20France,%201803&f=true
  
Shawn Alan

IMCA 1633
eBaystore
http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340
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[meteorite-list] The Holy Bible from 1835 has a section about meteorites!

2010-09-06 Thread Shawn Alan
Hello Listers,
 
Hope everyone is having a great holiday weekend. Today I have had a lot of time 
in front of the computer cause some how my neck is messed up, I have head ache 
from it, and allergies are acting up. So I got to researching and found that 
the Holy Bible from the 1800's has a section in it about the Ensisheim and 
L'Aigle meteorite fall. Who would have know this, is this something that is 
commonly found in the Bible, charts and write ups about meteorite falls? Down 
below is the link to the section about those meteorites in the HOLY BIBLE from 
the 1835 publication.
 
http://books.google.com/books?id=uis-YAAJ&dq=L'Aigle%2C%20France%2C%201803&pg=PA885#v=onepage&q=L'Aigle,%20France,%201803&f=true
 
Shawn Alan
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http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340
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[meteorite-list] correction....

2010-09-06 Thread Jan Bartels

..I know, contact me off list..not off lineaaarrggrr...
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[meteorite-list] Looking for large Campos....

2010-09-06 Thread Jan Bartels

Dear Listoidsespecially European Listoids...

I'm looking for two Campos (one from about 60 to 80 kilos and one from 20 to 
30 kilos) this is just a guideline, other large ones welcome as well.

I'm trying europe first to avoid customs and save shipping costs.

Please contact me off line pls.

Thanks,
Jan
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[meteorite-list] Extraordinary LIBYAN DESERT GLASS Museum Piece 10'000ct

2010-09-06 Thread Stalder Thomas
Dear List Members,

This is the last chance to get this extraordinary piece for a really good 
price. 

This Ebay auction is ending in about 3 days.

There is an interested buyer, who will take it after the auction ends. I'm 
offering this Libyan Desert Glass for a very good friend of mine (located in 
France). He found it personally some years ago.

Here it is:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220652386344&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT



Pls note that I may have only limited internet access to answer questions 
until 12th of September (pls see item description).

Best regards,

Thomas
www.saharagems.com


  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil on Voyage Botanica

2010-09-06 Thread GeoZay


>>Oh, girls and boys! Just back  from my voyage to Gebel Kamil on Voyage 
Botanica ...
Wish I had my  "Dukatenesel" handy as we say in German. A "Dukatenesel" is 
a fairy
story  character, a donkey that ... well, whose droppings are coins. All 
you have to  do
is tell that "nice" and "friendly" creature how many "coins" you need,  
and, presto... :-)<<

Coins huh? Well, I guess that beats dropping  bricks. Which whenever I did 
something wrong, that's what I ended up doing.  
GeoZay  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Nemesis

2010-09-06 Thread Meteorites USA
Hi Rob, Great answer to a question I had about it. How does one 
determine the cycle of a star?


Also, if the Nemesis companion star does not exist for our Sun, are 
there any other theories or explanations of comets and how their orbits 
are perturbed into our system? What causes these bodies from the Oort 
cloud to be pulled into our solar system if not by a large mass such as 
another star? Do they simply bump into one another as is evidenced by 
Asteroid P/2010 A2 
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/science/asteroid-20100202.html


In my understanding of comets they are originally stony/icy bodies that 
dwell originate from within the Kuiper Belt and Oort cloud which 
surrounds our solar system. We just don't call them comets until they 
come into our system of course and their "tails" are formed and become 
visible to us. The IAU defines them as a "Small Solar System body" 
according to Wikipedia.


Question... Are asteroids (within the asteroid belt) dead comets? Or 
just simply debris left over from the formation of the solar system from 
the protoplanetary disk?


There was an article in the March 2010 issue of Sky & Telescope titled 
"What else is out there?" by David Jewitt (Professor of Planetary 
Science at the UCLA) that makes a brief mention of Nemisis. 
http://www2.ess.ucla.edu/~jewitt/papers/2010/J10b.pdf but also explains 
the likelihood of seeing the brown dwarf at such vast distances. It also 
mentions WISE. To see a brown dwarf star is very difficult optically, 
but it would be much brighter in the infrared spectrum and easier to 
see. Perhaps WISE will find the companion star if in fact it exists?


The thought experiment of visualizing Earth at KBO distances and beyond 
is thought provoking and puts things into a very intriguing perspective.


I find this extremely fascinating!

Regards,
Eric



On 9/6/2010 12:52 PM, Rob Matson wrote:

Hi Steve,

   

I Just read "Rocks from space" and in the end of the book they mention
Nemesis in the Oort cloud as being a red dwarf with a cycle of 26 to
30 million years.
 

The theory that the sun has a long period, highly eccentric, red dwarf
or brown dwarf companion is based on a ~perceived~ periodicity in
earth's mass extinction record. From a strictly dynamical standpoint,
it is a rather unlikely theory, IMO, since the dwarf orbit's required
semi-major axis is so great that it would be subject to perturbations
by nearby stars. In other words, the orbit would not be stable.

Thanks to WISE (the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer), we shall
soon be able to confirm or discard this theory. WISE is sensitive
enough to detect any red dwarf or brown dwarf out to distances
an order of magnitude greater than Nemesis' greatest possible
distance. Even a Jupiter-mass object would be detectable at a
distance of 1 light year, while a three-Jupiter-mass object
would be detectable at 10 light years' distance.

Realistically, if Nemesis exists it is almost certainly not a red
dwarf as it would already have been discovered. A brown dwarf is
the largest realistic candidate, and some Nemesis proponents
theorize that its mass is only 3-5 times that of Jupiter -- too
small to even be categorized as a brown dwarf. (Brown dwarf
minimum size is 13 Jupiter masses -- the minimum mass to fuse
deuterium.)

So far WISE has discovered two unambiguous brown dwarfs (and a
number of brown dwarf candidates), although their distances are
not yet known. Follow-up measurements must be made by other
instruments to measure their parallaxes, but I suspect these
first two are more than 3 light years away (too distant to be
Nemesis candidates).

--Rob

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[meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil on Voyage Botanica

2010-09-06 Thread bernd . pauli
Hello All,

Oh, girls and boys! Just back from my voyage to Gebel Kamil on Voyage Botanica 
...
Wish I had my "Dukatenesel" handy as we say in German. A "Dukatenesel" is a 
fairy
story character, a donkey that ... well, whose droppings are coins. All you 
have to do
is tell that "nice" and "friendly" creature how many "coins" you need, and, 
presto... :-)

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] Witnessed fall lunars?

2010-09-06 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks
Hi List,

Is there a theory for why there have been no witnessed falls of lunar
meteorites?  It seems odd to me that we have 4 Martian witnessed falls
(Shergotty, Chassigny, Zagami, Nakhla, and almost Lafayette) and no
lunars.

I also find it odd that no lunaites have been recovered from the
Americas or Europe.

It would seem that we are long overdue for two things to happen - for
a lunaite to be recovered in the Americas/Europe and for a lunar
witnessed fall.  I wonder which will happen first?

Best regards,

MikeG

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Re: [meteorite-list] Nemesis

2010-09-06 Thread Rob Matson
Hi Steve,

> I Just read "Rocks from space" and in the end of the book they mention
> Nemesis in the Oort cloud as being a red dwarf with a cycle of 26 to
> 30 million years.

The theory that the sun has a long period, highly eccentric, red dwarf
or brown dwarf companion is based on a ~perceived~ periodicity in
earth's mass extinction record. From a strictly dynamical standpoint,
it is a rather unlikely theory, IMO, since the dwarf orbit's required
semi-major axis is so great that it would be subject to perturbations
by nearby stars. In other words, the orbit would not be stable.

Thanks to WISE (the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer), we shall
soon be able to confirm or discard this theory. WISE is sensitive
enough to detect any red dwarf or brown dwarf out to distances
an order of magnitude greater than Nemesis' greatest possible
distance. Even a Jupiter-mass object would be detectable at a
distance of 1 light year, while a three-Jupiter-mass object
would be detectable at 10 light years' distance.

Realistically, if Nemesis exists it is almost certainly not a red
dwarf as it would already have been discovered. A brown dwarf is
the largest realistic candidate, and some Nemesis proponents
theorize that its mass is only 3-5 times that of Jupiter -- too
small to even be categorized as a brown dwarf. (Brown dwarf
minimum size is 13 Jupiter masses -- the minimum mass to fuse
deuterium.)

So far WISE has discovered two unambiguous brown dwarfs (and a
number of brown dwarf candidates), although their distances are
not yet known. Follow-up measurements must be made by other
instruments to measure their parallaxes, but I suspect these
first two are more than 3 light years away (too distant to be
Nemesis candidates).

--Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] YES BOGUS Re: "Colombia confirms 'giant fire ball' a meteorite"

2010-09-06 Thread Richard Kowalski
As you say Eric, the report of the soccer field being destroyed (with a 100 
meter crater) is discredited. IOW, the impact event is BOGUS.

As for a daytime fireball, I have no comment about that possible event. They 
happen all the time.


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IMCA #1081


  

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[meteorite-list] PROBABLY NOT BOGUS Re: "Colombia confirms 'giant fire ball' a meteorite"

2010-09-06 Thread Eric Christensen
Hi Rich,

I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss this as a bogus event.  The 100-m crater 
reports are certainly false, but a variety of Colombian newspapers are 
reporting the event as a daytime fireball.  The online comments are full of 
eyewitness descriptions from people who claim to have seen the fireball and 
heard the detonation.  At least one article reports broken windows from a 
putative shockwave in the rural town of Piedecuesta.  The second link below 
also shows what appears to be a cell-phone capture of a smoke train.

There was one widely-reported (and now widely discredited) report from a farmer 
who claimed 8 cows were killed and a soccer field destroyed...since a soccer 
field is around 100-m in length, I suspect this is where the "100-m crater" 
rumor started.

http://www.eltiempo.com/colombia/oriente/explosion-en-santander-autoridades-investigan-si-fue-meteorito_7893516-1

http://www.vanguardia.com/bucaramanga-region/bucaramanga/74627-extrano-objeto-causo-sorpresa-en-santander

Saludos,

Eric Christensen




  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Book Wanted

2010-09-06 Thread Peter Scherff
HI Thomas,

Did you ask Marvin? I don't think that you will find the book in any
remainder bins.

Thanks,

Peter

-Original Message-
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
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Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 10:13 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Book Wanted

List,
I'm still looking for a copy!
TW



--- On Fri, 9/3/10, Thomas Webb  wrote:

> From: Thomas Webb 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Book Wanted
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 12:12 PM

> List,
> Do any of you have a copy of "A Color Atlas of Meteorites in
> Thin Section" by Lauretta and Killgore that you would like to
> sell at a discounted price?  Email me offlist if you
> do.
> Thanks,
> Thomas
> 
> 
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[meteorite-list] Nemesis

2010-09-06 Thread Steve Dunklee
I Just read "Rocks from space" and in the end of the book they mention Nemisis 
in the ort cloud as being an red dwarf with a cycle of 26 to 30 million years. 
The idea of a multiple system for us is very intriguing. But a spheer of comets 
above a disc does not make much sence for a binary system. I Propose a triple 
system. The dopplar shift of our system hints at there being a mass 1/5th  the 
size of our sun as missing from the solar system. In an binary system this mass 
should be in the solar disck.which doesnt explain the ort cloud. If we are in a 
triple system. With one red dwarf or mass 1/10th the size of our sun in orbit 
period of 13 to 15 million years. Causing a wobble in the solar disk. The ort 
cloud would be like a soccer ball sitting on the edge of the disk being rotated 
every 26 to 30 million years. With its red dwarf mass near the center of the 
cloud. And also with a mass 1/10th of the mass of the sun for the ort cloud. A 
triple system also
 explains the minor extinction events that happen.


  

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[meteorite-list] BOGUS Re: "Colombia confirms 'giant fire ball' a meteorite"

2010-09-06 Thread Richard Kowalski
IMHO, this is another bogus report, just like the one "confirmed" one from 
several months ago.

On checking the USGS Real Time Earthquakes plot for Google Earth 
(http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learn/kml.php) there have been NO earthquakes in 
Colombia that were magnitude 1 or larger in the past week.

An impact event that would cause the production of a crater this size would 
show up on the earthquake plot.


--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


--- On Mon, 9/6/10, Tom Randall (KB2SMS)  wrote:

> From: Tom Randall (KB2SMS) 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] "Colombia confirms 'giant fire ball' a meteorite"
> To: "Meteorite List" 
> Date: Monday, September 6, 2010, 7:57 AM
> 
> http://www.andina.com.pe/Ingles/Noticia.aspx?id=T6XVq6sEcBo=
> 
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[meteorite-list] Teacher seeks inexpensive meteorites for talks.

2010-09-06 Thread Frederick Wallace
Hi,
A couple of years ago I got a bunch of meteorites from people on the list. 
Since 
then I have given over 14 free talks and have exhausted my supply of meteorites 
to give away. I was hoping I could purchase some inexpensive meteorites once 
again to provide some samples for people/students I do talks for. I have 2 
talks 
scheduled for next month and a big talk in November. Any help would be 
appreciated!
Jon Wallace
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[meteorite-list] Ad Whetstone Mountains last one!

2010-09-06 Thread Jack Schrader
Good day list members, 

 Just a heads up reminder that I have the last piece that I will be selling 
of Whetstone Mountains on eBay ending this Wednesday Sept 8 at 6:00 pm PST.  
This material truly is extremely, extremely rare ( only 3 kilos recovered in 
well over a year) and you will not see any other large complete, documented and 
uncut pieces for sale at the very low and very reasonable reserve price I am 
asking for this last piece of the main mass of 451.7 grams.   I will be keeping 
the fourth and last fragment of 62.3 grams from the main mass in my permanent 
collection and it will never be for sale.  I  have to keep a piece of the main 
mass for my collection as there are good memories associated with this find in 
particular.  This fall is very rare and very historic being only the second 
Arizona fall to be recovered since the Holbrook fall of July 19, 1912.  This 
fall has also been meticulously documented and recorded as was the Holbrook 
fall 
in a published monograph.  The fact that each piece is photographed and 
pictured 
in the monograph in situ makes the specimens all the more desirable and 
collectible.  The only other recent fall that I can think of that is more 
difficult to collect right now is Kosice so if you want a true museum grade 
specimen of Whetstone Mountains with impeccable provenance and documentation ( 
you also will receive the signed and serial numbered monograph for this 
specimen) in your collection, this will be your best opportunity.  The auction 
can be seen here: 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160475948861 

 Wishing everyone a relaxing and enjoyable Labor Day holiday, Jack


  
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[meteorite-list] me and the count (update)

2010-09-06 Thread steve arnold
Hi again list.I really forgot to mention my other part of my visit with the 
count and his wife. I was able to see the 12 pound meteorite that he found 
earlier this year. It is a thing of beauty. It is 6 plus kilo's and an endcut. 
One side was professionally polished by the count. It has some nice deep 
thumbprints and great velvety crust. After seeing it first hand,I agree with 
the 
count,this SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN cut at all. Some things should be just left 
untouched.What a great,great find and thanks again for letting me see the 
biggest nevada chondrite LL6.
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[meteorite-list] "Colombia confirms 'giant fire ball' a meteorite"

2010-09-06 Thread Tom Randall (KB2SMS)


http://www.andina.com.pe/Ingles/Noticia.aspx?id=T6XVq6sEcBo=



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[meteorite-list] Columbia Bolide Explosion

2010-09-06 Thread drtanuki
Dear List,
  Hot off of the wire:

http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/09/santander-columbia-bolide-fireball-news.html

Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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[meteorite-list] AD Sahara 99704 and more

2010-09-06 Thread Tomasz Jakubowski
Dear List Members,
I have a few nice meteorites for sale.
- Sahara 99704 chondrite with original Labenne label. Weight 2.3 kg, 
fresh crust, flow lines, nice brecciated interior. Nice historical pre - 
NWA specimen!
http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/Sahara99704#

 - A good regmaglipted 6.5 kg chondrite NWA xxx, fresh crust, (fresh 
interior), nice size.
http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/NWA6Kg#

- Good fresh crusted Tamdakht 264 grams piece (I down price to 1.6$/g).
http://picasaweb.google.pl/illaenus/Tamdakht02#


All question please write to : illae...@gmail.com


Best Regards
Tomasz Jakubowski
IMCA #2321


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[meteorite-list] "New Deal man finds meteorite in yard"

2010-09-06 Thread Tom Randall (KB2SMS)



http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/2010-09-06/new-deal-man-finds- 
meteorite-yard



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