date:20101005

Dear List Members,

I have 54 auctions ending this afternoon.  All were started at just 99 cents 
with no reserve.  Many do not have bids yet or are still at the opening bid 
price so take a look if you are interested in some very low prices. I also have 
58 other items listed with the buy-it-now or make offer options enabled.  My 
stock on several items is running low or completely out so you may want to pick 
up a piece while you still can.

Please take a look if you have the time.

Link to all auctions:
http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html


Thank  you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.


Best  Regards,

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The Hupe Collection
IMCA 2185
Team Lunar  Rock
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[meteorite-list] New Meteorite Cratering Book

2010-10-05 Thread Anita Westlake

Dear List:
   I received notice of this new book on cratering. It's a little pricey at 
$112.92, but here's the link if you're interested:


http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/page8278.html

Anita

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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400


List:

This is amazing; is it possible that all of these (NWA 5400, 5363, 6292 and 
6077) are from the same strewn field?

Greg S.


> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 06:26:05 -0700
> From: geohigg...@yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 
> 5400
>
> Official Announcement
>
> NWA 6077 IS PAIRED WITH NWA 5400
>
> North West Africa 6077 Description:
> An olivine-rich assemblage with cumulate (or possibly metamorphic) texture
> exhibiting triple junction grain boundaries. Olivine (Fa30.2-30.7),
> orthopyroxene (Fs24.1-24.5Wo2.1-2.0), clinopyroxene (Fs9.4-10.0Wo44.0-43.5),
> altered kamacite, chromite, chlorapatite, Ni-bearing troilite and/or 
> pyrrhotite.
> No plagioclase was found. Analysis conducted at the Carnegie Institution of
> Washington show that the oxygen isotopic composition of this specimen plots on
> the Terrestrial Fractionation Line. In conjunction with the mineral 
> compositions
> and texture, this establishes that NWA 6077 is paired with NWA 5400.
>
> The averages of the two Oxygen Isotope Results are:
> d17O = 2.780, d18O = 5.358, D17O = -0.019 (all in per mil)
>
> This brachinite was recovered out of Morocco in 2008 as one whole stone and
> purchased by John Higgins. It was submitted for classification to Dr. Tony
> Irving and was given the provisional classification number of NWA 6077. This
> meteorite has a modest TKW of less than 1000g after the type specimen was
> removed.
>
> Personal Notes: Although I suspected that the two were possibly paired due to
> similarities in visual observations and classification compositions, I felt it
> was important to wait for secondary Oxygen Isotope results to come in which 
> have
> recently confirmed the results beyond a reasonable doubt. There was also 
> another
> important factor besides Oxygen Isotope testing that had to be taken into
> account. Orthopyroxene which is present in NWA 5400 was missed the first time
> around in NWA 6077 because it looks identical to clinopyroxene in 
> back-scattered
> electron images. However further in-depth microprobe studies of the thin 
> section
> have confirmed the presence of orthopyroxene, and are now noted in the updated
> description. I feel that making a self pairing based upon my own
> visual observations, is not only unethical, inappropriate, and akin to 
> pirating,
> but would only feed the controversies regarding this meteorite without the
> scientific testing data to back up such speculation, such action would be
> premature, immoral and unfair to Greg Hupe and NWA 5400 after all the time and
> effort he put into the study of what has become one of the most important
> meteorite finds in history.
>
> Have a Great Day!
> John Higgins
> IMCA#9822
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

Its great that there is such a nice amount of this material when considering 
all the pairings... With over 10kg of this material in pairings known so far, I 
am willing to bet there is likely a good amount more still.
I bet the Brachinties are coming out of the woodwork to be tested.

Greg Catterton
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--- On Tue, 10/5/10, John higgins  wrote:

> From: John higgins 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 
> 5400
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 9:26 AM
> Official Announcement
>  
> NWA 6077 IS PAIRED WITH NWA 5400
>  
> North West Africa 6077 Description:
> An olivine-rich assemblage with cumulate (or possibly
> metamorphic) texture 
> exhibiting triple junction grain boundaries. Olivine
> (Fa30.2-30.7), 
> orthopyroxene (Fs24.1-24.5Wo2.1-2.0), clinopyroxene
> (Fs9.4-10.0Wo44.0-43.5), 
> altered kamacite, chromite, chlorapatite, Ni-bearing
> troilite and/or pyrrhotite. 
> No plagioclase was found. Analysis conducted at the
> Carnegie Institution of 
> Washington show that the oxygen isotopic composition of
> this specimen plots on 
> the Terrestrial Fractionation Line. In conjunction with the
> mineral compositions 
> and texture, this establishes that NWA 6077 is paired with
> NWA 5400.
>  
> The averages of the two Oxygen Isotope Results are: 
> d17O = 2.780, d18O = 5.358, D17O = -0.019 (all in per mil)
>  
> This brachinite was recovered out of Morocco in 2008 as
> one whole stone and 
> purchased by John Higgins. It was submitted for
> classification to Dr. Tony 
> Irving and was given the provisional classification number
> of NWA 6077. This 
> meteorite has a modest TKW of less than 1000g after the
> type specimen was 
> removed.
>  
> Personal Notes: Although I suspected that the two were
> possibly paired due to 
> similarities in visual observations and classification
> compositions, I felt it 
> was important to wait for secondary Oxygen Isotope results
> to come in which have 
> recently confirmed the results beyond a reasonable doubt.
> There was also another 
> important factor besides Oxygen Isotope testing that had
> to be taken into 
> account. Orthopyroxene which is present in NWA 5400 was
> missed the first time 
> around in NWA 6077 because it looks identical to
> clinopyroxene in back-scattered 
> electron images. However further in-depth
> microprobe studies of the thin section 
> have confirmed the presence of orthopyroxene, and are
> now noted in the updated 
> description. I feel that making a self pairing based upon
> my own 
> visual observations, is not only unethical, inappropriate,
> and akin to pirating, 
> but would only feed the controversies regarding this
> meteorite without the 
> scientific testing data to back up such speculation, such
> action would be 
> premature, immoral and unfair to Greg Hupe and NWA 5400
> after all the time and 
> effort he put into the study of what has become one of the
> most important 
> meteorite finds in history.
>  
> Have a Great Day!
> John Higgins
> IMCA#9822
> 
> 
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[meteorite-list] Ad: special sale on Shiny Gold Cubes ( I orderd to many) :)

2010-10-05 Thread rexscates

my loss your gain. I made the mistake of mixing up two types.

I will sell 15 shiny gold cubes. (first come first served)
http://scaleobjects.com/scale%20cubes/1cmscalecubes.html

Price (includes shipping) 22 dollars for USA or 25 dollars (overseas). SO its 
about 30% off

normal price is 28+3 shipping (usa) and 28+6 (overseas)

if you want one send me a email rexsca...@sbcglobal.net
tell me if your in the USA or Outside and I will send you a paypal bill.

All other cubes are still in stock and ready to be sold. Does anyone have any 
clue why people are buying so many cubes right now? (for a wide variety of 
uses, not just meteorites?) Its just odd. Not that I am complaining.

My generic photography cube pictures will be up for sale within a few days. 
(they do not have N S W E T B) and have scale hash marks on them.

take care
Rex Scates

Scaleobjects.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

2010-10-05 Thread John higgins

Greg Catterton, 

I would be very cautious with throwing loose words around "like considering all 
the pairings"
As far as I know NWA 6077 is the only whole stone other than NWA 6292 of which 
is very fragmented that has conclusively been paired through testing and 
subsequent testing to NWA 5400, from what I understand most of the others are 
purely conjecture, or speculative without the extensive testing completed or in 
various stages of testing...
I think our focus should be on the Science and authenticity of claims before 
you 
start making bets and psychic predictions about how much more material is 
paired 
to this very special and important meteorite. 

Regardless of what you think, and however hard you try to knock this meteorite 
for TKW, of what may or may not come to fruition, this meteorite is priceless 
to 
Science. I don't understand what the focus on TKW boils down to other than 
monetary value or jealousy, this meteorite truly transcends price. And I think 
the focus should be on the science of what this meteorite can teach us about 
our 
past. And possibly give us clues to the future. NWA 6077 is a Meteorite that 
has 
most likely come from the mantle of a planet, which one? The Oxygen Isotope 
results suggest one like our own planet Earth. Even if there are 10kg or more, 
this meteorite is from the mantle of a planet that is similar to our own and 
comes from a place in time that does not exist anymore. I hope we can, as a 
community become more productive with our time and focus on figuring out what 
the meteorite parent body is and what the conditions are that existed when it 
materialized. I suggest we shift the emphasis to the scientific study rather 
than putting such a great focus on prematurely rushing TKW statistics, that can 
only be revealed only after many more years of scientific studies.

Regards,
John Higgins
IMCA# 9822

- Original Message 
From: Greg Catterton 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; John higgins 
Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 12:01:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 
5400

Its great that there is such a nice amount of this material when considering 
all 
the pairings... With over 10kg of this material in pairings known so far, I am 
willing to bet there is likely a good amount more still.
I bet the Brachinties are coming out of the woodwork to be tested.

Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
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--- On Tue, 10/5/10, John higgins  wrote:

> From: John higgins 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 
>5400
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 9:26 AM
> Official Announcement
>  
> NWA 6077 IS PAIRED WITH NWA 5400
>  
> North West Africa 6077 Description:
> An olivine-rich assemblage with cumulate (or possibly
> metamorphic) texture 
> exhibiting triple junction grain boundaries. Olivine
> (Fa30.2-30.7), 
> orthopyroxene (Fs24.1-24.5Wo2.1-2.0), clinopyroxene
> (Fs9.4-10.0Wo44.0-43.5), 
> altered kamacite, chromite, chlorapatite, Ni-bearing
> troilite and/or pyrrhotite. 
> No plagioclase was found. Analysis conducted at the
> Carnegie Institution of 
> Washington show that the oxygen isotopic composition of
> this specimen plots on 
> the Terrestrial Fractionation Line. In conjunction with the
> mineral compositions 
> and texture, this establishes that NWA 6077 is paired with
> NWA 5400.
>  
> The averages of the two Oxygen Isotope Results are: 
> d17O = 2.780, d18O = 5.358, D17O = -0.019 (all in per mil)
>  
> This brachinite was recovered out of Morocco in 2008 as
> one whole stone and 
> purchased by John Higgins. It was submitted for
> classification to Dr. Tony 
> Irving and was given the provisional classification number
> of NWA 6077. This 
> meteorite has a modest TKW of less than 1000g after the
> type specimen was 
> removed.
>  
> Personal Notes: Although I suspected that the two were
> possibly paired due to 
> similarities in visual observations and classification
> compositions, I felt it 
> was important to wait for secondary Oxygen Isotope results
> to come in which have 
> recently confirmed the results beyond a reasonable doubt.
> There was also another 
> important factor besides Oxygen Isotope testing that had
> to be taken into 
> account. Orthopyroxene which is present in NWA 5400 was
> missed the first time 
> around in NWA 6077 because it looks identical to
> clinopyroxene in back-scattered 
> electron images. However further in-depth
> microprobe studies of the thin section 
> have confirmed the presence of orthopyroxene, and are
> now noted in the updated 
> description. I feel that making a self pairing based upon
> my own 
> visual observations, is not only unethical, inappropriate,
> and akin to pirating, 
> but would only feed the controversies regar

Re: [meteorite-list] First attempt at photographing thin sections

2010-10-05 Thread David Pensenstadler

Nice job, Richard.

I understand that one should only use linear polarizers and that most camera 
polarizers are circular.  So, be careful with what you use.

Perhaps Tom Phillips can shed some light on the differences in polarizers.

Dave 

--- On Tue, 10/5/10, Richard Kowalski  wrote:

> From: Richard Kowalski 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] First attempt at photographing thin sections
> To: "meteorite list" 
> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 6:01 AM
> I had some free time tonight so I cut
> a few pieces of some plastic polarizing filter I had and
> used them on our biological microscope. I had picked up a
> few low priced thin sections at this past year's Tucson
> shows. For a first ever attempt at photographing thin
> sections in cross polarized light, I think I've done an ok.
> job.
> 
> I've uploaded my first 5 to an album on Facebook. Below is
> a link that should be accessible even if you don't have a FB
> account.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/27uj6tk
> 
> I haven't yet calibrated my field of view yet, so at the
> moment I can't offer the scale of the features in the
> images. Sorry.
> 
> I'd appreciate any tips or advice the experts are willing
> offer to help make future images better.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> Full Moon Photography
> IMCA #1081
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

Wow...
First off, NWA 5363 HAS been confirmed paired, as well as 6292 and yours.

I think YOU should check your facts before calling me out like you are.
A simple search of the metbul shows the REPORTED TKW of the material and simple 
math will show you the TKW of material that is in the 5363/5400/6077/6292 
pairing group.

Please do not publicly accuse me of things when YOU are the one who is not up 
to date with information and you do not have the facts correct.

I have no interests in this material other then as a collector. I am not 
selling any of the material from any pairings.

Why do you feel the need to come at me like you did? There is a nice amount of 
this available.

I expect an apology for your comments as you are out of line and clearly in the 
wrong.
ALL I STATED IS FACTS.

Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
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--- On Tue, 10/5/10, John higgins  wrote:

> From: John higgins 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with 
> NWA 5400
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 1:12 PM
> Greg Catterton, 
> 
> I would be very cautious with throwing loose words around
> "like considering all 
> the pairings"
> As far as I know NWA 6077 is the only whole stone other
> than NWA 6292 of which 
> is very fragmented that has conclusively been paired
> through testing and 
> subsequent testing to NWA 5400, from what I understand most
> of the others are 
> purely conjecture, or speculative without the extensive
> testing completed or in 
> various stages of testing...
> I think our focus should be on the Science and authenticity
> of claims before you 
> start making bets and psychic predictions about how much
> more material is paired 
> to this very special and important meteorite. 
> 
> 
> Regardless of what you think, and however hard you try to
> knock this meteorite 
> for TKW, of what may or may not come to fruition, this
> meteorite is priceless to 
> Science. I don't understand what the focus on TKW boils
> down to other than 
> monetary value or jealousy, this meteorite truly transcends
> price. And I think 
> the focus should be on the science of what this meteorite
> can teach us about our 
> past. And possibly give us clues to the future. NWA 6077 is
> a Meteorite that has 
> most likely come from the mantle of a planet, which one?
> The Oxygen Isotope 
> results suggest one like our own planet Earth. Even if
> there are 10kg or more, 
> this meteorite is from the mantle of a planet that is
> similar to our own and 
> comes from a place in time that does not exist anymore. I
> hope we can, as a 
> community become more productive with our time and focus on
> figuring out what 
> the meteorite parent body is and what the conditions are
> that existed when it 
> materialized. I suggest we shift the emphasis to the
> scientific study rather 
> than putting such a great focus on prematurely rushing TKW
> statistics, that can 
> only be revealed only after many more years of scientific
> studies.
> 
> Regards,
> John Higgins
> IMCA# 9822
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Greg Catterton 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
> John higgins 
> Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 12:01:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA
> 6077 is Paired with NWA 
> 5400
> 
> Its great that there is such a nice amount of this material
> when considering all 
> the pairings... With over 10kg of this material in pairings
> known so far, I am 
> willing to bet there is likely a good amount more still.
> I bet the Brachinties are coming out of the woodwork to be
> tested.
> 
> Greg Catterton
> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> IMCA member 4682
> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 10/5/10, John higgins 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: John higgins 
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA
> 6077 is Paired with NWA 
> >5400
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 9:26 AM
> > Official Announcement
> >  
> > NWA 6077 IS PAIRED WITH NWA 5400
> >  
> > North West Africa 6077 Description:
> > An olivine-rich assemblage with cumulate (or possibly
> > metamorphic) texture 
> > exhibiting triple junction grain boundaries. Olivine
> > (Fa30.2-30.7), 
> > orthopyroxene (Fs24.1-24.5Wo2.1-2.0), clinopyroxene
> > (Fs9.4-10.0Wo44.0-43.5), 
> > altered kamacite, chromite, chlorapatite, Ni-bearing
> > troilite and/or pyrrhotite. 
> > No plagioclase was found. Analysis conducted at the
> > Carnegie Institution of 
> > Washington show that the oxygen isotopic composition
> of
> > this specimen plots on 
> > the Terrestrial Fractionation Line. In conjunction
> with the
> > mineral compositions 
> > and texture, this establishes that NWA 607

Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

Congratulations John,

It is great to hear that you really appreciate what this meteorite represents. 
I 
do not have any financial interest whatsoever in this rare and scientifically 
valuable find.  I am surprised at the most reasonable price it is being offered 
for.  Even if several more kilograms is confirmed, it is extremely rare; 
millions of times rare than diamonds and infinitely more important as far as I 
am concerned.


One just has to look at the GRA stones found in Antarctica that were once 
mistakenly thought to plot on the TFL.  The scientific community was scampering 
to get pieces of it after the press was misinformed about were they plotted.  
Now the real deal has shown up and from Northwest Africa, unquestionably the 
most important source for scientifically important new meteorites the last 
decade.

Appreciate these meteorites while you can because new finds are being made at a 
mere trickle compared to five years ago in both Antarctica and Northwest 
Africa.  



Best Regards,

Adam
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[meteorite-list] Thumbs Up Given for 2013 NASA Mars Orbiter (Maven)

2010-10-05 Thread Ron Baalke


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2010-323  

Thumbs Up Given for 2013 NASA Mars Orbiter
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
October 05, 2010

PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA has given a green light for development of a
2013 Mars orbiter mission to investigate the mystery of how Mars lost
much of its atmosphere: the Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution
(Maven) mission.

Clues on the Martian surface, such as features resembling dry riverbeds
and minerals that only form in the presence of liquid water, suggest
that Mars once had a denser atmosphere, which supported the presence of
liquid water on the surface. As part of a dramatic climate change, most
of the Martian atmosphere was lost. Maven will make definitive
scientific measurements of present-day atmospheric loss that will offer
insight into the Red Planet's history.

Approval to proceed with development followed a review at NASA
Headquarters of the detailed plans, instrument suite, budget, and risk
factor analysis for the spacecraft.

The mission is led by its principal investigator, Bruce Jakosky of the
Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics at the University of
Colorado, Boulder. NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md.,
manages the mission, which is part of the NASA Mars Exploration Program
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
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[meteorite-list] EPOXI 'E-Minus' One Month To Comet Hartley 2 Flyby

2010-10-05 Thread Ron Baalke


http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2010-321  

NASA Mission 'E-Minus' One Month to Comet Flyby
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
October 04, 2010

PASADENA, Calif. - Fans of space exploration are familiar with the term
T-minus, which NASA uses as a countdown to a rocket launch. But what of
those noteworthy mission events where you already have a spacecraft in
space, as with the upcoming flyby of a comet?

"We use 'E-minus' to help with our mission planning," said Tim Larson,
EPOXI mission project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in
Pasadena, Calif. "The 'E' stands for encounter, and that is exactly what
is going to happen one month from today, when our spacecraft has a close
encounter with comet Hartley 2."

The EPOXI mission's Nov. 4 encounter with Hartley 2 will be only the
fifth time in history that a comet has been imaged close-up. At point of
closest approach, the spacecraft will be about 700 kilometers (435
miles) from the comet.

"Hartley 2 better not blink, because we'll be screaming by at 12.3
kilometers per second (7.6 miles per second), said Larson.

One month out, the spacecraft is closing the distance with the comet at
a rate of 976,000 kilometers (607,000 miles) per day. As it gets closer,
the rate of closure will increase to a little over 1,000,000 kilometers
(620,000 miles) per day.

For those interested in what the "T-minus" stands for in a NASA
countdown to a rocket launch - it translates to "Time-minus." For
example, when a rocket is getting ready for liftoff, it will be lifting
off at a specific time. If that time is 45 seconds away, it is said to
be "T-minus 45 seconds and counting."

EPOXI is an extended mission that utilizes the already "in-flight" Deep
Impact spacecraft to explore distinct celestial targets of opportunity.
The name EPOXI itself is a combination of the names for the two extended
mission components: the extrasolar planet observations, called
Extrasolar Planet Observations and Characterization (EPOCh), and the
flyby of comet Hartley 2, called the Deep Impact Extended Investigation
(DIXI). The spacecraft will continue to be referred to as "Deep Impact."

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., manages the EPOXI
mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. The
University of Maryland, College Park, is home to the mission's principal
investigator, Michael A'Hearn. Drake Deming of NASA's Goddard Space
Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md., is the science lead for the mission's
extrasolar planet observations. The spacecraft was built for NASA by
Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp., Boulder, Colo.

For more information about EPOXI visit http://epoxi.umd.edu/ .

DC Agle 818-393-9011
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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

A higher TKW then I had calculated... 

This meteorite and its pairings while representing something spectacular (which 
NOBODY will dispute) and has also shown something very sad and disappointing... 

2 IMCA members openly attacking 2 other IMCA members over comments that turned 
out to be correct and accurate.

A meteorite list that shows the vile monetary based nature of meteorites in 
relation to this pairing group with rude and unwarranted comments tossed about. 

People who love meteorites, for money, science, food(?), whatever... going at 
it like school kids. 
Why do I even stay a member of this list? I see why so many have left or simply 
dont ever post. 

You guys need to take a step back and look at what we do here on this PUBLIC 
list. 


Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


--- On Tue, 10/5/10, cdtuc...@cox.net  wrote:

> From: cdtuc...@cox.net 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with 
> NWA 5400
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, "John higgins" 
> , "Greg" 
> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 1:36 PM
> The following is a list of the
> official pairings and approximate TKW so far for this
> amazing Brachinite-like meteorite
> 
> NWA 5400.   4280. grams
> NWA 6292.    725. grams.
> NWA 6077.   1000. grams
> NWA 5363     7985. grams.
> 
> Total.           13,990.
> grams. 
> 
> 
> --
> Carl or Debbie Esparza
> Meteoritemax
> 
> 
>  John higgins 
> wrote: 
> > Greg Catterton, 
> > 
> > I would be very cautious with throwing loose words
> around "like considering all 
> > the pairings"
> > As far as I know NWA 6077 is the only whole stone
> other than NWA 6292 of which 
> > is very fragmented that has conclusively been paired
> through testing and 
> > subsequent testing to NWA 5400, from what I understand
> most of the others are 
> > purely conjecture, or speculative without the
> extensive testing completed or in 
> > various stages of testing...
> > I think our focus should be on the Science and
> authenticity of claims before you 
> > start making bets and psychic predictions about how
> much more material is paired 
> > to this very special and important meteorite. 
> > 
> > 
> > Regardless of what you think, and however hard you try
> to knock this meteorite 
> > for TKW, of what may or may not come to fruition, this
> meteorite is priceless to 
> > Science. I don't understand what the focus on TKW
> boils down to other than 
> > monetary value or jealousy, this meteorite truly
> transcends price. And I think 
> > the focus should be on the science of what this
> meteorite can teach us about our 
> > past. And possibly give us clues to the future. NWA
> 6077 is a Meteorite that has 
> > most likely come from the mantle of a planet, which
> one? The Oxygen Isotope 
> > results suggest one like our own planet Earth. Even if
> there are 10kg or more, 
> > this meteorite is from the mantle of a planet that is
> similar to our own and 
> > comes from a place in time that does not exist
> anymore. I hope we can, as a 
> > community become more productive with our time and
> focus on figuring out what 
> > the meteorite parent body is and what the conditions
> are that existed when it 
> > materialized. I suggest we shift the emphasis to the
> scientific study rather 
> > than putting such a great focus on prematurely rushing
> TKW statistics, that can 
> > only be revealed only after many more years of
> scientific studies.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > John Higgins
> > IMCA# 9822
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - Original Message 
> > From: Greg Catterton 
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
> John higgins 
> > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 12:01:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement
> NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 
> > 5400
> > 
> > Its great that there is such a nice amount of this
> material when considering all 
> > the pairings... With over 10kg of this material in
> pairings known so far, I am 
> > willing to bet there is likely a good amount more
> still.
> > I bet the Brachinties are coming out of the woodwork
> to be tested.
> > 
> > Greg Catterton
> > www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> > IMCA member 4682
> > On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> > On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 10/5/10, John higgins 
> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: John higgins 
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement
> NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 
> > >5400
> > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > > Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 9:26 AM
> > > Official Announcement
> > >  
> > > NWA 6077 IS PAIRED WITH NWA 5400
> > >  
> > > North West Africa 6077 Description:
> > > An olivine-rich assemblage with cumulate (or
> possibly
> > > metamorphic) texture 
> > > exhibiting triple junction grain boundaries.
> Olivine
>

Re: [meteorite-list] First attempt at photographing thin sections

2010-10-05 Thread Starsinthedirt

Hi Dave and list.  I often work with  circular polarizers as well as linier 
polarizers.  Not to mention full and  1/4 wave retardation filters.

Don't avoid the circular polarizers.   When you invert them they function 
as a linier polarizer.  My main Xpol  scope (An aus Jena Fluoval) has SunPack 
Circular polarizers on it right now and  they are a quality camera filter 
that can be found (often quite cheep in odd  sizes) on eBay.

For extreme extinction (black when full crossed  transmitted light is 
viewed) like what is needed for subtle changes in  reflectance viewed in 
incident 
light.  I use a Glan/Thopson style mined  calcite prism polarizer.  

I use this technique on an aus Jena  Neophot.  The Gold Basin image set on 
my micrograph gallery shows off this  effect well.  Please check it out.  
The results are quite unlike any  thing most people are accustomed to.  

http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/articles/gold_basin/

Any  polarizers are useful.  I have even used the filters striped out of 
non  functioning Sony PS3 disk readers.  I wrote a Meteorite Times article on  
that.

The film polarizers are a great start but they distort the image  when used 
in the analyzer position.

Tom

In a message dated  10/5/2010 11:29:31 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, 
dfpen...@yahoo.com  writes:
Nice job, Richard.

I understand that one should only use  linear polarizers and that most 
camera polarizers are circular.  So, be  careful with what you use.

Perhaps Tom Phillips can shed some light on  the differences in polarizers.

Dave 

--- On Tue, 10/5/10, Richard  Kowalski  wrote:

> From: Richard Kowalski  
> Subject: [meteorite-list] First attempt at  photographing thin sections
> To: "meteorite list"  
> Date: Tuesday, October 5,  2010, 6:01 AM
> I had some free time tonight so I cut
> a few pieces  of some plastic polarizing filter I had and
> used them on our biological  microscope. I had picked up a
> few low priced thin sections at this past  year's Tucson
> shows. For a first ever attempt at photographing  thin
> sections in cross polarized light, I think I've done an ok.
>  job.
> 
> I've uploaded my first 5 to an album on Facebook. Below  is
> a link that should be accessible even if you don't have a FB
>  account.
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/27uj6tk
> 
> I haven't  yet calibrated my field of view yet, so at the
> moment I can't offer the  scale of the features in the
> images. Sorry.
> 
> I'd  appreciate any tips or advice the experts are willing
> offer to help make  future images better.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> --
>  Richard Kowalski
> Full Moon Photography
> IMCA #1081
>  
> 
>   
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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400


NWA 5363 needs to be updated on the Bulletin

Greg S.


> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:48:19 -0700
> From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; geohigg...@yahoo.com; 
> cdtuc...@cox.net
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with 
> NWA 5400
>
> A higher TKW then I had calculated...
>
> This meteorite and its pairings while representing something spectacular 
> (which NOBODY will dispute) and has also shown something very sad and 
> disappointing...
>
> 2 IMCA members openly attacking 2 other IMCA members over comments that 
> turned out to be correct and accurate.
>
> A meteorite list that shows the vile monetary based nature of meteorites in 
> relation to this pairing group with rude and unwarranted comments tossed 
> about.
>
> People who love meteorites, for money, science, food(?), whatever... going at 
> it like school kids.
> Why do I even stay a member of this list? I see why so many have left or 
> simply dont ever post.
>
> You guys need to take a step back and look at what we do here on this PUBLIC 
> list.
>
>
> Greg Catterton
> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> IMCA member 4682
> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
>
>
> --- On Tue, 10/5/10, cdtuc...@cox.net  wrote:
>
> > From: cdtuc...@cox.net 
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with 
> > NWA 5400
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, "John higgins" , "Greg" 
> > Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 1:36 PM
> > The following is a list of the
> > official pairings and approximate TKW so far for this
> > amazing Brachinite-like meteorite
> >
> > NWA 5400.   4280. grams
> > NWA 6292.725. grams.
> > NWA 6077.   1000. grams
> > NWA 5363 7985. grams.
> >
> > Total.   13,990.
> > grams.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Carl or Debbie Esparza
> > Meteoritemax
> >
> >
> >  John higgins 
> > wrote:
> > > Greg Catterton,
> > >
> > > I would be very cautious with throwing loose words
> > around "like considering all
> > > the pairings"
> > > As far as I know NWA 6077 is the only whole stone
> > other than NWA 6292 of which
> > > is very fragmented that has conclusively been paired
> > through testing and
> > > subsequent testing to NWA 5400, from what I understand
> > most of the others are
> > > purely conjecture, or speculative without the
> > extensive testing completed or in
> > > various stages of testing...
> > > I think our focus should be on the Science and
> > authenticity of claims before you
> > > start making bets and psychic predictions about how
> > much more material is paired
> > > to this very special and important meteorite.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regardless of what you think, and however hard you try
> > to knock this meteorite
> > > for TKW, of what may or may not come to fruition, this
> > meteorite is priceless to
> > > Science. I don't understand what the focus on TKW
> > boils down to other than
> > > monetary value or jealousy, this meteorite truly
> > transcends price. And I think
> > > the focus should be on the science of what this
> > meteorite can teach us about our
> > > past. And possibly give us clues to the future. NWA
> > 6077 is a Meteorite that has
> > > most likely come from the mantle of a planet, which
> > one? The Oxygen Isotope
> > > results suggest one like our own planet Earth. Even if
> > there are 10kg or more,
> > > this meteorite is from the mantle of a planet that is
> > similar to our own and
> > > comes from a place in time that does not exist
> > anymore. I hope we can, as a
> > > community become more productive with our time and
> > focus on figuring out what
> > > the meteorite parent body is and what the conditions
> > are that existed when it
> > > materialized. I suggest we shift the emphasis to the
> > scientific study rather
> > > than putting such a great focus on prematurely rushing
> > TKW statistics, that can
> > > only be revealed only after many more years of
> > scientific studies.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > John Higgins
> > > IMCA# 9822
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message 
> > > From: Greg Catterton 
> > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
> > John higgins 
> > > Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 12:01:35 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement
> > NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA
> > > 5400
> > >
> > > Its great that there is such a nice amount of this
> > material when considering all
> > > the pairings... With over 10kg of this material in
> > pairings known so far, I am
> > > willing to bet there is likely a good amount more
> > still.
> > > I bet the Brachinties are coming out of the woodwork
> > to be tested.
> > >
> > > Greg Catterton
> > > www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> > > IMCA member 4682
> > > On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> > > On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStar

Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

2010-10-05 Thread Meteorites USA

Greg, I must disagree with you completely... No one is "attacking" you 
personally. John is NOT out of line. He seems to be up to date on the 
facts regarding the pairings of the stones. Nothing he said that I can 
see is incorrect, however your attack on him seems rather "harsh". I 
feel your comment is irresponsible, scientifically and personally.


Your comment: "...With over 10kg of this material in pairings known so 
far, I am willing to bet there is likely a good amount more still. I bet 
the Brachinties are coming out of the woodwork to be tested"


Possible, but the SCIENCE is more important than conjecture and feelings.

Regards,
Eric



On 10/5/2010 10:30 AM, Greg Catterton wrote:

Wow...
First off, NWA 5363 HAS been confirmed paired, as well as 6292 and yours.

I think YOU should check your facts before calling me out like you are.
A simple search of the metbul shows the REPORTED TKW of the material and simple 
math will show you the TKW of material that is in the 5363/5400/6077/6292 
pairing group.

Please do not publicly accuse me of things when YOU are the one who is not up 
to date with information and you do not have the facts correct.

I have no interests in this material other then as a collector. I am not 
selling any of the material from any pairings.

Why do you feel the need to come at me like you did? There is a nice amount of 
this available.

I expect an apology for your comments as you are out of line and clearly in the 
wrong.
ALL I STATED IS FACTS.

Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


--- On Tue, 10/5/10, John higgins  wrote:

   

From: John higgins
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 
5400
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 1:12 PM
Greg Catterton,

I would be very cautious with throwing loose words around
"like considering all
the pairings"
As far as I know NWA 6077 is the only whole stone other
than NWA 6292 of which
is very fragmented that has conclusively been paired
through testing and
subsequent testing to NWA 5400, from what I understand most
of the others are
purely conjecture, or speculative without the extensive
testing completed or in
various stages of testing...
I think our focus should be on the Science and authenticity
of claims before you
start making bets and psychic predictions about how much
more material is paired
to this very special and important meteorite.


Regardless of what you think, and however hard you try to
knock this meteorite
for TKW, of what may or may not come to fruition, this
meteorite is priceless to
Science. I don't understand what the focus on TKW boils
down to other than
monetary value or jealousy, this meteorite truly transcends
price. And I think
the focus should be on the science of what this meteorite
can teach us about our
past. And possibly give us clues to the future. NWA 6077 is
a Meteorite that has
most likely come from the mantle of a planet, which one?
The Oxygen Isotope
results suggest one like our own planet Earth. Even if
there are 10kg or more,
this meteorite is from the mantle of a planet that is
similar to our own and
comes from a place in time that does not exist anymore. I
hope we can, as a
community become more productive with our time and focus on
figuring out what
the meteorite parent body is and what the conditions are
that existed when it
materialized. I suggest we shift the emphasis to the
scientific study rather
than putting such a great focus on prematurely rushing TKW
statistics, that can
only be revealed only after many more years of scientific
studies.

Regards,
John Higgins
IMCA# 9822



- Original Message 
From: Greg Catterton
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
John higgins
Sent: Tue, October 5, 2010 12:01:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA
6077 is Paired with NWA
5400

Its great that there is such a nice amount of this material
when considering all
the pairings... With over 10kg of this material in pairings
known so far, I am
willing to bet there is likely a good amount more still.
I bet the Brachinties are coming out of the woodwork to be
tested.

Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


--- On Tue, 10/5/10, John higgins
wrote:

 

From: John higgins
Subject: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA
   

6077 is Paired with NWA
 

5400
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 9:26 AM
Official Announcement
  
NWA 6077 IS PAIRED WITH NWA 5400
  
North West Africa 6077 Description:

An olivine-rich assemblage with cumulate (or possibly
metamorphic) texture
exhibiting triple junction grain boundaries. Olivine
(Fa30.2-30.7),
orthopyroxene (Fs24.1-24

[meteorite-list] An 18th century depiction of a meteor

2010-10-05 Thread Darren Garrison

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/houghton/2010/09/24/look-up-in-the-sky/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

> No one is "attacking" you personally. John is NOT out of line.

Comments such as he made when addressed to me is a direct attack on me and my 
remarks about the official TKW of pairings.

> He seems to be up to date on the facts regarding the pairings of the stones

Incorrect. There has been other confirmed pairings, just recently discussed on 
this list.

> I feel your comment is irresponsible, scientifically and personally.
Your comment: "...With over 10kg of this material in
pairings known so far, I am willing to bet there is likely a
good amount more still. I bet the Brachinties are coming out
of the woodwork to be tested"

How? There is CONFIRMED to be OVER 13kg of this material paired.
And yes, Brachinites are coming out of the woodwork.
How is that comment "irresponsible, scientifically and personally."
Its based on FACTS. So again, whats wrong with what I said?



Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites


--- On Tue, 10/5/10, Meteorites USA  wrote:

> From: Meteorites USA 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with 
> NWA 5400
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 1:57 PM
> Greg, I must disagree with you
> completely... No one is "attacking" you personally. John is
> NOT out of line. He seems to be up to date on the facts
> regarding the pairings of the stones. Nothing he said that I
> can see is incorrect, however your attack on him seems
> rather "harsh". I feel your comment is irresponsible,
> scientifically and personally.
> 
> Your comment: "...With over 10kg of this material in
> pairings known so far, I am willing to bet there is likely a
> good amount more still. I bet the Brachinties are coming out
> of the woodwork to be tested"
> 
> Possible, but the SCIENCE is more important than conjecture
> and feelings.
> 
> Regards,
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/5/2010 10:30 AM, Greg Catterton wrote:
> > Wow...
> > First off, NWA 5363 HAS been confirmed paired, as well
> as 6292 and yours.
> > 
> > I think YOU should check your facts before calling me
> out like you are.
> > A simple search of the metbul shows the REPORTED TKW
> of the material and simple math will show you the TKW of
> material that is in the 5363/5400/6077/6292 pairing group.
> > 
> > Please do not publicly accuse me of things when YOU
> are the one who is not up to date with information and you
> do not have the facts correct.
> > 
> > I have no interests in this material other then as a
> collector. I am not selling any of the material from any
> pairings.
> > 
> > Why do you feel the need to come at me like you did?
> There is a nice amount of this available.
> > 
> > I expect an apology for your comments as you are out
> of line and clearly in the wrong.
> > ALL I STATED IS FACTS.
> > 
> > Greg Catterton
> > www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> > IMCA member 4682
> > On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> > On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Tue, 10/5/10, John higgins 
> wrote:
> > 
> >    
> >> From: John higgins
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official
> Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400
> >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 1:12 PM
> >> Greg Catterton,
> >> 
> >> I would be very cautious with throwing loose words
> around
> >> "like considering all
> >> the pairings"
> >> As far as I know NWA 6077 is the only whole stone
> other
> >> than NWA 6292 of which
> >> is very fragmented that has conclusively been
> paired
> >> through testing and
> >> subsequent testing to NWA 5400, from what I
> understand most
> >> of the others are
> >> purely conjecture, or speculative without the
> extensive
> >> testing completed or in
> >> various stages of testing...
> >> I think our focus should be on the Science and
> authenticity
> >> of claims before you
> >> start making bets and psychic predictions about
> how much
> >> more material is paired
> >> to this very special and important meteorite.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Regardless of what you think, and however hard you
> try to
> >> knock this meteorite
> >> for TKW, of what may or may not come to fruition,
> this
> >> meteorite is priceless to
> >> Science. I don't understand what the focus on TKW
> boils
> >> down to other than
> >> monetary value or jealousy, this meteorite truly
> transcends
> >> price. And I think
> >> the focus should be on the science of what this
> meteorite
> >> can teach us about our
> >> past. And possibly give us clues to the future.
> NWA 6077 is
> >> a Meteorite that has
> >> most likely come from the mantle of a planet,
> which one?
> >> The Oxygen Isotope
> >> results suggest one like our own planet Earth.
> Even if

> >> there are 10kg or more,
> >> this meteorite is from the mantle of a planet that
> is
> >> simila

Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

Hi,

(Ooopsie...  I almost was tempted, to write, that I vaguely remember a kind
of an angry school kid, and something about a royal angrite and before with
a part of a known lunaite. Forgive me ;-).

Hey wouldn't it be interesting,
if someone here on the list, would have a fine link at hand to a graph with
the Terrestrial Fractionation Line
and where therein the different meteorite types plot, for the not yet so
experienced list members knowing, why that material is so
special&interesting?

Perhaps with a few words of explanations?

Any of the grand list pedagogues?

Sterling?
Btw. what happened to Mr.Vesta MexicoDoug, who was also an excellent tutor
and one of the best explainers of the list?

Best!
Martin

(We're too busy at the moment, with another one, which plots close to the
TFL. No worries, completely different type.) 


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg
Catterton
Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2010 19:48
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; John higgins; cdtuc...@cox.net
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with
NWA 5400

A higher TKW then I had calculated... 

This meteorite and its pairings while representing something spectacular
(which NOBODY will dispute) and has also shown something very sad and
disappointing... 

2 IMCA members openly attacking 2 other IMCA members over comments that
turned out to be correct and accurate.

A meteorite list that shows the vile monetary based nature of meteorites in
relation to this pairing group with rude and unwarranted comments tossed
about. 

People who love meteorites, for money, science, food(?), whatever... going
at it like school kids. 
Why do I even stay a member of this list? I see why so many have left or
simply dont ever post. 

You guys need to take a step back and look at what we do here on this PUBLIC
list. 


Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
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[meteorite-list] An 18th century depiction of a meteor

2010-10-05 Thread bernd . pauli

Darren, thanks for this link:

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/houghton/2010/09/24/look-up-in-the-sky/

.. and while we are at it, there was an equally interesting
article in the July 2010 issue of Sky & Telescope, pp. 28-33:

Walt Whitman's Year of Meteors

- Poem: Year of Meteors
- 1833 Leonids?
- 1858 Leonids?
- 1859 Daylight Fireball?
- Meteor Showers and Earth Grazers
- Meteor Processions
- July 20, 1860, Meteor Procession

--

Cheers,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] First attempt at photographing thin sections

2010-10-05 Thread Richard Kowalski

--- On Tue, 10/5/10, starsinthed...@aol.com  wrote:

> My tip.  Now that you have seen what can be
> done,  loose the plastic 
> polarizing film.  Buy cheap glass camera polarizes
> or  sacrifice a couple you 
> already have lying around.  Cut them to size
> with  your rock saw (Any diamond 
> blade, water cooled tile saw will do).  You will 
> enjoy your time spent much 
> more.
> 
> Tom 

and --- On Tue, 10/5/10, David Pensenstadler  wrote:

> 
> I understand that one should only use linear polarizers and
> that most camera polarizers are circular.  So, be
> careful with what you use.
> 
> Perhaps Tom Phillips can shed some light on the differences
> in polarizers.
> 
> Dave 

Thanks to all of you who commented publicly and privately.

I'll add a couple of comments to what I did as it was a bit unconventional but 
easily reproducible to others who have a biologic microscope at hand instead of 
a "proper" geologic or petrologic microscope at hand.

I'll start off with the polarizer. Thans for the suggestion Tim. I'll have to 
look at obtaining some of this material. The polarizing sheet I have is a 
higher end linear polarizing sheet that I obtained for another photography 
project. I cut a piece that was larger than the aperture of my condenser and 
simply rest that on top of the condenser housing. This is the polarizer I am 
rotating to provide the cross polarization. The second polarizer is a small 
circle of the material that is placed inside the microscope, in an open area 
below the viewing head. This might have some purists shaking their heads, but 
it lets me use the instrument I have and as you can see, at this basic level it 
works.

The trinocular microscope allows one to mount the camera, in my case a Canon 
50D, directly on the microscope while leaving the binocular eyepieces available 
for watching the changing polarization and to find the most interesting 
patterns & colors and to easily find the more interesting or appealing areas on 
the specimen. The 50D has "live view" so I can make any final adjustments to 
position and focus on my computer screen before making the image.

A few people have commented privately about the lack of focus around the edges. 
Unfortunately this is due to the nature of the objectives on my microscope.

I plan on upgrading my objectives to what is known as "plan objectives" which 
provide better correction and flat fields as time & budget allow, so this 
should be less of an issue for my photography in the future.

For those of you who have microscopes of any design, I'd suggest you give this 
a try. It's certainly an interesting exercise and even if you don't make any 
images, watching the changing patterns and colors of the samples is fascinating.

Thanks again for your kind words and suggestions.

Richard

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Re: [meteorite-list] First attempt at photographing thin sections

2010-10-05 Thread Meteorites USA


SUPERB!

Eric

On 10/5/2010 3:01 AM, Richard Kowalski wrote:

I had some free time tonight so I cut a few pieces of some plastic polarizing 
filter I had and used them on our biological microscope. I had picked up a few 
low priced thin sections at this past year's Tucson shows. For a first ever 
attempt at photographing thin sections in cross polarized light, I think I've 
done an ok. job.

I've uploaded my first 5 to an album on Facebook. Below is a link that should 
be accessible even if you don't have a FB account.

http://tinyurl.com/27uj6tk

I haven't yet calibrated my field of view yet, so at the moment I can't offer 
the scale of the features in the images. Sorry.

I'd appreciate any tips or advice the experts are willing offer to help make 
future images better.

Thanks

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081



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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

Hi Martin and List,

Here is the meteorite oxygen chart you requested:

http://themeteoritesite.com/MeteoriteOxygen.jpg

Enjoy,

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

2010-10-05 Thread Gary Fujihara

Aloha Martin, list,

Here is a photo of an O-isotope plot taken out page 39 of Robert Hutchinson's 
book Meteorites - A Petrologic, Chemical and Isotopic Synthesis:

http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/TFL.jpg

gary

On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Martin Altmann wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> (Ooopsie...  I almost was tempted, to write, that I vaguely remember a kind
> of an angry school kid, and something about a royal angrite and before with
> a part of a known lunaite. Forgive me ;-).
> 
> Hey wouldn't it be interesting,
> if someone here on the list, would have a fine link at hand to a graph with
> the Terrestrial Fractionation Line
> and where therein the different meteorite types plot, for the not yet so
> experienced list members knowing, why that material is so
> special&interesting?
> 
> Perhaps with a few words of explanations?
> 
> Any of the grand list pedagogues?
> 
> Sterling?
> Btw. what happened to Mr.Vesta MexicoDoug, who was also an excellent tutor
> and one of the best explainers of the list?
> 
> Best!
> Martin
> 
> (We're too busy at the moment, with another one, which plots close to the
> TFL. No worries, completely different type.) 
> 
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg
> Catterton
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2010 19:48
> An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; John higgins; cdtuc...@cox.net
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with
> NWA 5400
> 
> A higher TKW then I had calculated... 
> 
> This meteorite and its pairings while representing something spectacular
> (which NOBODY will dispute) and has also shown something very sad and
> disappointing... 
> 
> 2 IMCA members openly attacking 2 other IMCA members over comments that
> turned out to be correct and accurate.
> 
> A meteorite list that shows the vile monetary based nature of meteorites in
> relation to this pairing group with rude and unwarranted comments tossed
> about. 
> 
> People who love meteorites, for money, science, food(?), whatever... going
> at it like school kids. 
> Why do I even stay a member of this list? I see why so many have left or
> simply dont ever post. 
> 
> You guys need to take a step back and look at what we do here on this PUBLIC
> list. 
> 
> 
> Greg Catterton
> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> IMCA member 4682
> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures]

Not at all,

but David, the black stone in the Kaaba is the most mystical and mythic
stone in existence!
It must be immemorial.

What else such stones come to our minds?
The hub of the universe, the umbilicus mundi;  the Holy Grail, whereof
Wolfram wrote, that it is a stone;
the philosopher's stone?
All legends, also from the Baethyls from ancient times, only one was found,
the stone of Paphos.

The only such stone from the same mold, is the black stone in the Kaaba in
Mecca.

(And if you ask me and Herrn Meyer, it never should be analyzed, it shall be
for all times an enigma!)

Best!
Martin

 



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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von David
Gunning
Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2010 08:11
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures]

--- Original Message 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite miniatures
From:"David Gunning" 
Date:Tue, October 5, 2010 2:10 am
To:  countde...@earthlink.net
-


Hi Count,

There was no disrespect meant or implied in my comment about the pictures
Martin posted.  When confronted with an image that has no accompanying
contextual message or association, the human mind tries to figure
things-out as best it can.  I believe it was "Carnac the Magnificent" who
responded to the answer of the question, A: Chariots of the Gods, with
the question: What were the only things allowed to move on Sunday in
Ancient Persia?

It appears you guys take yourselves extremely seriously.

I can't help but wonder what the late, Great Jonny Carson might have
thought about your apparent lack of humor.

Dave Gunning

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite-Times October Issue Now Up NEW FORMAT

2010-10-05 Thread Paul Harris


Dear List,

We have a very nice issue this month in our NEW format and have a few 
things to tell you about besides the new look.


The Authors have some really great articles this month. Please have a look.

We have a new monthly column called 'Galactic Lore' by Mike Gilmer.  
Welcome to the team Mike!


Sergey Vasiliev, the master behind the Encyclopedia of Meteorites 
website has a new webservice that we are utilizing to bring in the 
latest 20 images that EoM members have added to the EoM website.  This 
is located in our 'Meteorite News & Tweets' section.


Stay up to date with our 'Meteorite News & Tweets' real time feeds for:

* Expanded Meteorite News from Google
* Meteoritical Bulletin News
* Newest Images Added To EoM Website
* Twitter: Meteorite
* Twitter: Meteorite Men

We have also converted the last 3 months to the new format.  The new 
'Search' function only works in the new format. Eventually we will have 
all back issues converted.


We hope you enjoy both the articles and the new format!

Paul and Jim
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Believed to Have Blasted Home in Central Java

Sounds a little fishy to me - but you never know.

Greg S.

http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/meteorite-believed-to-have-blasted-home-in-central-java/399827

Meteorite Believed to Have Blasted Home in Central Java
October 05, 2010

Jakarta. The government is sending a team of scientists to investigate a
suspected meteorite that struck a home in Karanganyar, Central Java, early on
Monday.

The blast was reported to have damaged the roof, kitchen and dining room in the
home of Suryono in Ngringo village, but no injuries were reported.

State news agency Antara reported that the impact produced a loud bang and
shattered several windows in the house.

The heat generated from the blast reportedly melted several plastic objects in
the kitchen and left the metal tableware hot.

An egg-sized rock retrieved from the roof is believed to be a remnant of a
meteorite.

On Tuesday, the National Aeronautics and Space Agency (Lapan) said it would
send a team to the site today to investigate.

Lapan spokeswoman Elly Kuntjahyowati said personnel from the Nuclear Energy
Regulatory Agency (Bapeten) were already at the site on Tuesday to check for
traces of radiation.

She said the Lapan team would include Prof. Thomas Djamaluddin, the head of
atmospheric sciences and chief of astronomy research at the space agency.

“It was reported to us that the object in question is a chunk of black,
scalding rock,” Elly said, adding the object had been removed from Suryono’s
house and was being kept at the Central Java Police’s forensics lab.

Rini Astuti, the head of the lab, said police were combing the site for any
evidence from the blast, and had retrieved a 12-kilogram gas canister and the
melted kitchen utensils to determine the degree of heat from the so-called
meteorite.

In April, a falling object damaged three homes in East Jakarta but caused no
injuries.

Although authorities failed to find conclusive evidence of what the object was,
Lapan ruled that a meteorite strike was the most likely explanation.

Last October, a mysterious explosion in Bone, South Sulawesi, was determined to
have been a meteorite that hit the earth’s atmosphere at a mind-boggling 20.3
kilometers per second.

According to Lapan’s Thomas, the blast released energy equal to 50 kilotons of
TNT, more than three times the force of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

A 9-year-old girl died of cardiac arrest after hearing the explosion, and shock
waves damaged homes in Bone’s Panyula village.

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[meteorite-list] Discovery Channel's All New Series, "Auction Kings, " Proves That One Man's Trash Is Another Man's Treasure

List:

This sounds like an interesting show, especially for those who like "Pawn
Stars" or "American Pickers," and alike. But notice, they are going to auction
a meteorite - it appears meteorites are getting more and more publicity every
day. And of course you got to love the "radioactive" part. Isn't the press
just amazing; anything to get people to watch.

Greg S.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2010/10/04/discovery-channels-all-new-series-auction-kings-proves-that-one-mans-trash-is-another-mans-treasure-151558/20101004discovery04/

Discovery Channel's All New Series, "Auction Kings," Proves That One Man's
Trash Is Another Man's Treasure

Series to Premiere Tuesday, October 26 at 10 PM

October 4, 2010

(Silver Spring, Md.) - From 19th century vampire hunting kits to softball-sized
meteorites to jewel encrusted gold pencils, Discovery Channel's all new series
AUCTION KINGS reveals to viewers a rare look at timeless items that take the
audience back to historical moments, while giving them insight to the
long-standing tradition of auctioning. The show captures the emotional journey
of discovering one-of-a-kind riches - or disappointing rags - on Tuesdays at 10
PM ET/PT, starting October 26.

AUCTION KINGS showcases one of the country's most storied auction houses,
Gallery 63. Paul Brown is the owner. He grew up in Atlanta and worked for 20
years at Red Baron's, his dad's antique store and auction house, learning the
art of selling and how to tell trash from treasure. Today, Gallery 63 is known
for bizarre, high-end items. Paul has made a name for himself as the go-to guy
for bidders looking for those one-of-a-kind pieces that can only be found
inside his doors.

Paul simultaneously manages his feisty staff, eager buyers and rare items like
a circus under the big top. The bidders and sellers come from all walks of
life, looking to make money, buy a unique piece or simply enjoy the excitement
of winning. When bidding starts, the gloves come off and it's every buyer for
himself. AUCTION KINGS is a roller coaster ride filled with thrills and
distress, and you never know if it's the buyer or the seller who will get the
deal.

In the world premiere episode, a seller comes into Gallery 63 with a
softball-sized meteorite from outer space. While he hopes to win enough money
to take a second honeymoon to Paris, office manager Cindy hopes it isn't
radioactive. Then a weapons collector brings in a vampire hunting kit from the
19th century that could go for big bucks - if it's legit. And Jon, the newest
employee, is tasked with sifting through a house jam-packed with junk to find
"auction gold." He locates a signed copy of Gone with the Wind and a genuine
Nazi handbook from World War II. Or are they?

AUCTION KINGS is produced for Discovery Channel by Authentic Entertainment,
Inc. John Moffet is executive producer. For Discovery Channel, Chris Rantamaki
is executive producer.

Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

Hey Greg C.,

may you agree, that in meteoritics only that counts in the end:

- the entry in the Bulletin
- publication(s) by scientists
- information, authorized by scientists to be released.

Everything else are bona fide statements.
To believe them or not to believe them, you have to leave to the meteorite
people.
Certainly much depends on the credibility and on the reputation of those,
who make such bona fide statements.
Also that you should leave to the individual people, whether they rely on
the experience and the standing of the person. Or whether they think, that
it is sheer speculation.

Here we are still in the process of the scientific analyses of a meteorite
itself, as well as of its suspected pairings.
So I think, you can stay calm, like all others are now and show the patience
necessary to wait for the results.

Btw. I liked the way John introduced his NWA 6077 a lot.
That is professionalism at its best.


My personal 2 cents.
Best!
Martin



 

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Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2010 20:54
An: Martin Altmann
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with
NWA 5400

But keep in mind, the same people who questioned NWA 6291 being paired due
to how it looked also said the same could not be done with this example.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

Hi Carl,

it's because on Gary's chart only the chondrite-groups are plotted, while on 
Adam's chart also achondrites are shown.

Best!



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: cdtuc...@cox.net [mailto:cdtuc...@cox.net] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2010 21:03
An: Martin Altmann; Gary Fujihara
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 
5400

Gary,
This is interesting. I do not have a copy of this book you reference.
This chart shows that EH and EL also plot along the TFL and omits the Aubrites. 
Whereas the link Adam provided shows Aubrites and Moon on that line at about 
the same place. 
Why do these charts differ?
Thanks.
Carl
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


 Gary Fujihara  wrote: 
> Aloha Martin, list,
> 
> Here is a photo of an O-isotope plot taken out page 39 of Robert Hutchinson's 
> book Meteorites - A Petrologic, Chemical and Isotopic Synthesis:
> 
> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/TFL.jpg
> 
> gary
> 
> On Oct 5, 2010, at 8:28 AM, Martin Altmann wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > (Ooopsie...  I almost was tempted, to write, that I vaguely remember a kind
> > of an angry school kid, and something about a royal angrite and before with
> > a part of a known lunaite. Forgive me ;-).
> > 
> > Hey wouldn't it be interesting,
> > if someone here on the list, would have a fine link at hand to a graph with
> > the Terrestrial Fractionation Line
> > and where therein the different meteorite types plot, for the not yet so
> > experienced list members knowing, why that material is so
> > special&interesting?
> > 
> > Perhaps with a few words of explanations?
> > 
> > Any of the grand list pedagogues?
> > 
> > Sterling?
> > Btw. what happened to Mr.Vesta MexicoDoug, who was also an excellent tutor
> > and one of the best explainers of the list?
> > 
> > Best!
> > Martin
> > 
> > (We're too busy at the moment, with another one, which plots close to the
> > TFL. No worries, completely different type.) 
> > 
> > 
> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> > Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Greg
> > Catterton
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2010 19:48
> > An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; John higgins; cdtuc...@cox.net
> > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with
> > NWA 5400
> > 
> > A higher TKW then I had calculated... 
> > 
> > This meteorite and its pairings while representing something spectacular
> > (which NOBODY will dispute) and has also shown something very sad and
> > disappointing... 
> > 
> > 2 IMCA members openly attacking 2 other IMCA members over comments that
> > turned out to be correct and accurate.
> > 
> > A meteorite list that shows the vile monetary based nature of meteorites in
> > relation to this pairing group with rude and unwarranted comments tossed
> > about. 
> > 
> > People who love meteorites, for money, science, food(?), whatever... going
> > at it like school kids. 
> > Why do I even stay a member of this list? I see why so many have left or
> > simply dont ever post. 
> > 
> > You guys need to take a step back and look at what we do here on this PUBLIC
> > list. 
> > 
> > 
> > Greg Catterton
> > www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> > IMCA member 4682
> > On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> > On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720
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Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures]

2010-10-05 Thread Matthias Bärmann



I agree in general with Altmann & Meyer, only prefer "mystery" instead of
enigma (which can be solved).

And "Omphalos" instead of "umbilicus mundi", 'cause Delphi is Old Greece.

Matthias

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Altmann" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures]


Not at all,

but David, the black stone in the Kaaba is the most mystical and mythic
stone in existence!
It must be immemorial.

What else such stones come to our minds?
The hub of the universe, the umbilicus mundi;  the Holy Grail, whereof
Wolfram wrote, that it is a stone;
the philosopher's stone?
All legends, also from the Baethyls from ancient times, only one was found,
the stone of Paphos.

The only such stone from the same mold, is the black stone in the Kaaba in
Mecca.

(And if you ask me and Herrn Meyer, it never should be analyzed, it shall be
for all times an enigma!)

Best!
Martin





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Gunning
Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2010 08:11
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures]

--- Original Message 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite miniatures
From:"David Gunning" 
Date:Tue, October 5, 2010 2:10 am
To:  countde...@earthlink.net
-


Hi Count,

There was no disrespect meant or implied in my comment about the pictures
Martin posted.  When confronted with an image that has no accompanying
contextual message or association, the human mind tries to figure
things-out as best it can.  I believe it was "Carnac the Magnificent" who
responded to the answer of the question, A: Chariots of the Gods, with
the question: What were the only things allowed to move on Sunday in
Ancient Persia?

It appears you guys take yourselves extremely seriously.

I can't help but wonder what the late, Great Jonny Carson might have
thought about your apparent lack of humor.

Dave Gunning

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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400


List:

I was wondering - is it possible that all of these are not really "paired" in 
the sense that they are not from the same main mass, but instead could be from 
the same planetary body - perhaps pre-earth or somewhere else?

I find these meteorites to be very fascinating and I enjoy reading all the 
literature about them.  It looks as though many questions need to be answered, 
and I look forward to more publications in the future.

It's At times like this we should be celebrating within the meteorite community 
instead of all this pointless bickering and name calling.  The meteorites are 
what the are, and nobody can change that.  So let's let the scientists do their 
work and see what happens.

Greg S.


> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 11:46:14 -0700
> From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with 
> NWA 5400
>
> Hi Martin and List,
>
> Here is the meteorite oxygen chart you requested:
>
> http://themeteoritesite.com/MeteoriteOxygen.jpg
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] An 18th century depiction of a meteor

2010-10-05 Thread Matthias Bärmann

Yes, thanks Darren (Sandby), Bernd (Whitman) and Martin (Kaaba) for the 
links.

Simply list of its best.

Matthias

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Subject: [meteorite-list] An 18th century depiction of a meteor



Darren, thanks for this link:

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/houghton/2010/09/24/look-up-in-the-sky/

.. and while we are at it, there was an equally interesting
article in the July 2010 issue of Sky & Telescope, pp. 28-33:

Walt Whitman's Year of Meteors

- Poem: Year of Meteors
- 1833 Leonids?
- 1858 Leonids?
- 1859 Daylight Fireball?
- Meteor Showers and Earth Grazers
- Meteor Processions
- July 20, 1860, Meteor Procession

--

Cheers,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

Ok, what am I missing? 

NWA 5363 has been confirmed with a published TKW of 2455 grams.
NWA 6292 has been confirmed with a published TKW of 725 grams.
NWA 6077 has been confirmed with a published TKW of 1010 grams.

All 3 above have been confirmed by scientists to be paired with NWA 5400 that 
has a published TKW of 4818 grams...

Does that not make the "over 10kg" I originally stated, only to be "warned" 
about making assumptions of pairings that are already known and public on this 
list to be paired? Just ask Norbert of the IMCA... he has surely been swamped 
with work due to the drama over pairings to 5400.

If you dont think the brachinites are coming out of the woodwork, ask Tony 
Irving or anyone else qualified to test such rare material, I am sure they will 
tell you it is. 

To be perfectly clear, I do not own any of this or the pairings for sale.
I own NONE of 5363 and have no interest in 6077. I have a part slice of 5400 
which I bought early and for 10x as much as what I got 6292 for. Im not mad, or 
upset. I bought early and thats a risk with doing so.

All I did is comment on the TKW of the material and pairings and I was hit with 
comments concerning me and directed at me (Publicly) questioning my post and 
the claims I made to TKW. 

You can try to make me look like the bad guy here, but Im not and you wont.

Martin wants to mention my angrite, and since Im on a roll... Was is not Adam 
Hupe himself who said my NWA 6291 did not look paired due to how it looked so 
much different then the samples he presented?
What made that any different then others commenting on potential pairings of 
5400? There is none other then who said it.
People publicly questioned Tony Irvings data due to appearance. Plain and 
simple. 

Thats all I have to say about this.

Greg Catterton
www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
IMCA member 4682
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--- On Tue, 10/5/10, Martin Altmann  wrote:

> From: Martin Altmann 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with 
> NWA 5400
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 3:42 PM
> Hey Greg C.,
> 
> may you agree, that in meteoritics only that counts in the
> end:
> 
> - the entry in the Bulletin
> - publication(s) by scientists
> - information, authorized by scientists to be released.
> 
> Everything else are bona fide statements.
> To believe them or not to believe them, you have to leave
> to the meteorite
> people.
> Certainly much depends on the credibility and on the
> reputation of those,
> who make such bona fide statements.
> Also that you should leave to the individual people,
> whether they rely on
> the experience and the standing of the person. Or whether
> they think, that
> it is sheer speculation.
> 
> Here we are still in the process of the scientific analyses
> of a meteorite
> itself, as well as of its suspected pairings.
> So I think, you can stay calm, like all others are now and
> show the patience
> necessary to wait for the results.
> 
> Btw. I liked the way John introduced his NWA 6077 a lot.
> That is professionalism at its best.
> 
> 
> My personal 2 cents.
> Best!
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Greg Catterton [mailto:star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com]
> 
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2010 20:54
> An: Martin Altmann
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA
> 6077 is Paired with
> NWA 5400
> 
> But keep in mind, the same people who questioned NWA 6291
> being paired due
> to how it looked also said the same could not be done with
> this example.
> 
> Greg Catterton
> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> IMCA member 4682
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> On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
> > 
> 
> 
>       
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[meteorite-list] NWA 6077, NWA 5400, NWA 5363 - O2 Plotting Diagram

Here is a chart showing where NWA 6077, NWA 5400, NWA 5363 plot.  Thank you 
Bernd for updating the chart I provided earlier.

Here is the link:

http://themeteoritesite.com/OXYGENPLOT.jpg


Best Regards,

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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6077, NWA 5400, NWA 5363 - O2 Plotting Diagram

Very nice work.
I find it interesting that they plot right in line with Martian, Lunar and 
Aubrites.

A question, Is there a known reason why 5363 hits in the Martian area while 
6077 is on the Lunar boundary with 5400 right in the middle of the two? Perhaps 
is it in relation to where the material was on the original body? 
It would be neat to see where 6292 hits on the map.




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--- On Tue, 10/5/10, Adam Hupe  wrote:

> From: Adam Hupe 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 6077, NWA 5400, NWA 5363 - O2 Plotting Diagram
> To: "Adam" 
> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 4:09 PM
> Here is a chart showing where NWA
> 6077, NWA 5400, NWA 5363 plot.  Thank you 
> Bernd for updating the chart I provided earlier.
> 
> Here is the link:
> 
> http://themeteoritesite.com/OXYGENPLOT.jpg
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

>Ok, what am I missing?

I found your comment on John Higgins' introduction of NWA 6077 improper.

Especially, cause you were aware of the disputes in summer and where now all
agreed to be calm and to wait for the isotopes, before they announce a
pairing, just like John did.

So why trying again to throw oil in the fire? What for?

>With over 10kg of this material in pairings known so far, I am willing to
bet there is likely a good amount >more still.

That prophetic gift makes you standing out from the oldest NWA-pros. :-)
Cause all of them had learned over the years, that sometimes there is coming
more of a stone and sometimes not. One never knows.

Back to work,
Martin



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Greg Catterton [mailto:star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com] 
Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2010 22:05
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Martin Altmann
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with
NWA 5400

Ok, what am I missing? 

 

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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6077, NWA 5400, NWA 5363 - O2 Plotting Diagram

2010-10-05 Thread Peter Marmet

Hello,

Tony Irving just sent me the oxygen data for NWA 6292:

d17O 2.42, d18O 4.55, D17O +0.031 per mil.

Thank you Tony!...and maybe Bernd will update his chart? :-)

Best,
Peter

Peter Marmet - IMCA #2747
Bern, Switzerland
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/




2010/10/5 Greg Catterton :
> Very nice work.
> I find it interesting that they plot right in line with Martian, Lunar and 
> Aubrites.
>
> A question, Is there a known reason why 5363 hits in the Martian area while 
> 6077 is on the Lunar boundary with 5400 right in the middle of the two? 
> Perhaps is it in relation to where the material was on the original body?
> It would be neat to see where 6292 hits on the map.
>
>
>
>
> Greg Catterton
> www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
> IMCA member 4682
> On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
> On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
>
>
> --- On Tue, 10/5/10, Adam Hupe  wrote:
>
>> From: Adam Hupe 
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 6077, NWA 5400, NWA 5363 - O2 Plotting Diagram
>> To: "Adam" 
>> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 4:09 PM
>> Here is a chart showing where NWA
>> 6077, NWA 5400, NWA 5363 plot.  Thank you
>> Bernd for updating the chart I provided earlier.
>>
>> Here is the link:
>>
>> http://themeteoritesite.com/OXYGENPLOT.jpg
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

I am sorry that you think me commenting on the TKW is throwing oil on the fire. 
It was my intention of the post to simply say "hey, its awesome there is more 
now then yesterday" The pairings have been verified, there is over 10kg. Where 
is the harm in saying that? The O isotope data is in on each sample I 
mentioned... so what did I do wrong? Mention the TKW is over 10kg when its 
actually over 13kg?

I spoke with Greg Hupe when this first came up over 5400 months ago and told 
him I wasnt going to get into this one. I did not get into it, and I did not 
buy any of the pairings for resale. I have no stake in this.

Yes, I do stand out from the old "NWA pros" I am a lot newer and still have 
much to learn. I will not dispute that, but its ok... I will learn as did you 
and everyone else. 

There is a nice way to do things and a not so nice way.
I feel John could have been a good deal more polite in his comments directed at 
me, part may be how I read it, but part was not.
Its not the first time he has come off on me in an aggressive fashion and aside 
from the NASA dumping thing (which I was upset about based on media reports) I 
dont just go off on this list as I am sure many of you know.

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--- On Tue, 10/5/10, Martin Altmann  wrote:

> From: Martin Altmann 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with 
> NWA 5400
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tuesday, October 5, 2010, 4:38 PM
> >Ok, what am I missing?
> 
> I found your comment on John Higgins' introduction of NWA
> 6077 improper.
> 
> Especially, cause you were aware of the disputes in summer
> and where now all
> agreed to be calm and to wait for the isotopes, before they
> announce a
> pairing, just like John did.
> 
> So why trying again to throw oil in the fire? What for?
> 
> >With over 10kg of this material in pairings known so
> far, I am willing to
> bet there is likely a good amount >more still.
> 
> That prophetic gift makes you standing out from the oldest
> NWA-pros. :-)
> Cause all of them had learned over the years, that
> sometimes there is coming
> more of a stone and sometimes not. One never knows.
> 
> Back to work,
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Greg Catterton [mailto:star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com]
> 
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2010 22:05
> An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
> Martin Altmann
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA
> 6077 is Paired with
> NWA 5400
> 
> Ok, what am I missing? 
> 
>  
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[meteorite-list] [Fwd: First attempt at photographing thin sections]

2010-10-05 Thread David Gunning

--- Original Message 
Subject: First attempt at photographing thin sections
From:"David Gunning" 
Date:Tue, October 5, 2010 5:27 pm
To:  meterotie-l...@meteoritecentral.com
-

Nothing wrong with those el cheapo thin sections!  Nice shoot, Richard.

Another excellent source for Linear Polarized Filters is:

Rainbow Symphony, Inc.
Reseda, Ca 91335
(818) 708-8400
www.rainbowsymphony.com

They manufacture L.P.Filters made like 35mm slides.  Their advantage is
that they can be turned any ole whichway with the filter surfaces not
rubbing against each other and causing scratches, which is never no fun.

Looking forward to your additional posting of more thin section photos.

Yours for crossed polars!

Dave Gunning

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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

2010-10-05 Thread karmaka

Hi Martin
>Btw. I liked the way John introduced his NWA 6077 a lot.
>That is professionalism at its best.

I couldn't agree more! Thanks John, thanks Martin, thanks Adam and thanks to 
all the other
REAL experts on the list.
It's because of people like you that I still love this list. Keep up the good 
work.
We need people like you here.

Let's work TOGETHER to keep this list a place of civil exchange of ideas and 
data.

The list is too important to be a battleground.

Best
Martin (another one)



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: "Martin Altmann" 
Gesendet: 05.10.2010 21:42:53
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 
5400

>Hey Greg C.,
>
>may you agree, that in meteoritics only that counts in the end:
>
>- the entry in the Bulletin
>- publication(s) by scientists
>- information, authorized by scientists to be released.
>
>Everything else are bona fide statements.
>To believe them or not to believe them, you have to leave to the meteorite
>people.
>Certainly much depends on the credibility and on the reputation of those,
>who make such bona fide statements.
>Also that you should leave to the individual people, whether they rely on
>the experience and the standing of the person. Or whether they think, that
>it is sheer speculation.
>
>Here we are still in the process of the scientific analyses of a meteorite
>itself, as well as of its suspected pairings.
>So I think, you can stay calm, like all others are now and show the patience
>necessary to wait for the results.
>
>Btw. I liked the way John introduced his NWA 6077 a lot.
>That is professionalism at its best.
>
>
>My personal 2 cents.
>Best!
>Martin
>
>
>
> 
>
>-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>Von: Greg Catterton [mailto:star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com] 
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Oktober 2010 20:54
>An: Martin Altmann
>Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with
>NWA 5400
>
>But keep in mind, the same people who questioned NWA 6291 being paired due
>to how it looked also said the same could not be done with this example.
>
>Greg Catterton
>www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com
>IMCA member 4682
>On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites
>On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites
>> 
>
>
>  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Official Announcement NWA 6077 is Paired with NWA 5400

2010-10-05 Thread Steve Witt

--- On Tue, 10/5/10, Martin Altmann  wrote:



Any of the grand list pedagogues?


My uncle was, but he got put in jail for it :)

Steve

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[meteorite-list] WISE Captures Key Image Of Comet Mission's Destination (Comet Hartley 2)

2010-10-05 Thread Ron Baalke



Oct. 5, 2010

J.D. Harrington 
Headquarters, Washington 
202-358-5241 
j.d.harring...@nasa.gov 

Whitney Clavin 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 
818-354-4673 
whitney.cla...@jpl.nasa.gov 

RELEASE: 10-249

WISE CAPTURES KEY IMAGE OF COMET MISSION'S DESTINATION

WASHINGTON -- NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer, or WISE, 
caught a glimpse of the comet that the agency's EPOXI mission will 
visit in November. The WISE observation will help the EPOXI team put 
together a large-scale picture of the comet, known as Hartley 2. 

"WISE's infrared vision provides data that complement what EPOXI will 
see with its visible-light and near-infrared instruments," said James 
Bauer, of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "It's as 
if WISE can see an entire country, and EPOXI will visit its capital." 

WISE's infrared vision will allow the telescope to get a new estimate 
of the size of the comet's nucleus, or core, as well as a more 
thorough look at the sizes of dust particles that surround it. This 
information, when combined with what EPOXI finds as it gets closer to 
Hartley 2, will reveal how the comet has changed over time. 

The WISE image is available at: 

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/WISE/multimedia/gallery/pia13438.html 

On Nov. 4, the EPOXI mission, which uses the already "in flight" Deep 
Impact flyby spacecraft, will reach its closet approach to Hartley 2. 
The spacecraft will examine the dusty, icy body in detail as it flies 
by, providing the best, extended view of a comet in history. WISE and 
several other ground- and space-based telescopes are participating in 
the viewing, working together to tackle mysteries about our solar 
system's origins that are frozen inside comets. 

For stargazers, opportunities to view the comet are possible 
throughout October. On Wednesday, Oct. 20, Hartley 2 will reach its 
closest approach to Earth since it was discovered in 1986. The comet 
will be approximately 11 million miles away and should be visible 
with the naked eye near the constellation Perseus if viewed in dark 
skies. Observers will need binoculars or telescopes from urban areas 
in the Northern Hemisphere. Southern Hemisphere stargazers can see 
the comet later in the month. 

WISE captured its view of the comet during an ongoing scan of the sky 
in infrared light. The mission has been busy cataloging hundreds of 
millions of objects, from comets to distant, powerful galaxies. In 
late September, it used up its frozen cryogen coolant as expected and 
began a new phase of its survey. Called the NEOWISE Post-Cryogenic 
Mission, it primarily focuses on finding additional asteroids and 
comets. To date, the WISE mission has observed more than 150,000 
asteroids and 110 comets, including Hartley 2. 

"Astronomers can reference our catalog to get detailed infrared data 
about their favorite asteroid or comet," said Amy Mainzer, the 
principal investigator of NEOWISE at JPL. "Space missions can also 
use our observations for more information on their targets, as EPOXI 
is doing." 

WISE's view of Hartley 2 was taken on May 10, 2010. It gives 
astronomers a unique look at the comet, complementing what other 
telescopes can see. Because WISE scanned the whole sky, it captured 
the most extensive view of Hartley 2's trail, the dusty path left by 
the comet on its repeated journey around the sun. 

Bauer said, "We want to know how the comet behaves as it comes toward 
the sun and out of deep freeze. The WISE image is one critical puzzle 
piece of many that will give a comprehensive view of the behavior of 
the comet through the time of the encounter." 

The comet started to show signs of activity in the spring, spitting 
out gas and dust. By July, there were clear jets of gas. "Comparing 
the dust early on to what we see later with EPOXI helps us understand 
how the activity started on Hartley 2," said Michael A'Hearn, the 
principal investigator of EPOXI at the University of Maryland in 
College Park. 

The term EPOXI is a combination of the names for the two extended 
mission components: the Extrasolar Planet Observations and 
Characterization (EPOCh), and the Hartley 2 flyby, called the Deep 
Impact eXtended Investigation (DIXI). The name NEOWISE comes from 
combining WISE and the acronym for near-Earth object, NEO. 

For more information about EPOXI, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/epoxi 

http://epoxi.umd.edu/ 

For more information about WISE, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/wise 

http://wise.astro.ucla.edu/ 

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[meteorite-list] Looks exactly like Chassigny, but is not !

2010-10-05 Thread Fabien Kuntz

Hello list, 

this times looking for terrstrial rocks analog to some meteorite type, I have 
found this one, a terrestrial dunite (major constituents of the Earth's mantle 
above a depth 

of about 400 kilometers), amazingly close in look to the Chassigny meteorite, a 
martian dunite. 


In the binocular, the same fine grained olivine, with the same tiny deep green 
chromite grains. I have put into the webpage links to high resolution pictures 
for you can judge. If I had not the card/CAO from the local university with the 
one I 

trade it, located 80Km to the Chassigny village (yes I live in Besançon : 15Km 
of Ornans, and 80Km of Chassigny!!!), I might have doubts... 


A sugar like structure for the fine grained specimens (fragile), but one was 
coarser grained, and I have decided to sliced it... Seems to come from the same 
locality...


http://wwmeteorites.com/TerrestrialDunite.html


Fabien 


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Re: Meteorite miniatures]

2010-10-05 Thread Chris Spratt

The stone at Paphos is not a meteorite. I've seen it and touched it.  
Sacred perhaps, but not a meteorite.


Chris Spratt
Victoria, BC
(Via my iPhone)
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