[meteorite-list] Forwarded: Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Rob Matson]

Hi Count,

Quite a few pieces of evidence against a missile launch:

1. Military says they didn't launch anything
2. No NOTAM submitted (in heavily congested int'l airport corridor)
3. SLBMs never launch from coastal California waters
4. No upper atmospheric, differential wind shear of the plume
5. Contrail grew far too slowly for a missile launch
6. Contrail did not persist after sunset (no twilight glow)
7. No corresponding high-speed, high-altitude object on radar

--Rob

-Original Message-
From: Count Deiro [mailto:countde...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tue 11/9/2010 11:37 PM
To: Richard Kowalski; meteorite list; Matson, Robert D.
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

Hello Richard and Listoids,

The subject contrail/combustion byproduct/condensation trail was not made by
a turbojet powered aircraft. There is only one trail and it displays a
massive constant volume atypical of conventional multi-engine aircraft which
display a separate condensation trail from each engine. High altitude can
make an airliner's condensation trails look like a single artifact, but when
seen closer you easily can count the engines by the individual trails.

The volume and density of this trail belie any water condensed trail I have
seen from an aircraft. The trail of a rocket powered X15 isn't anywhere near
as massive as this dude.. In my learned opinion, this missle was powered by
a single (non-staging) big ass, solid fuel rocket engine. It looks like your
standard submarine launched ICBM going down range to our Pacific Test Area.

Did you see the helicopter hovering in an observing position?

Best,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

P.S. In another life I was the Director of Aviation Facilities for the
Hughes Tool Co. and an ATP rated aviator.

-Original Message-
>From: Richard Kowalski 
>Sent: Nov 9, 2010 6:54 PM
>To: meteorite list , " Robert
D.Matson" 
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail
>
>OK
>
>I'd like to see the third one i more detail, but its probably a contrail.
>
>
>--
>Richard Kowalski
>Full Moon Photography
>IMCA #1081

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Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Count Deiro]

Hi Bob,

You make a pretty convincing argument. After pondering your seven points I 
decided I had better lay off the wine before making any more assertions on 
List. I am not so sure now what this thing was. As they say in Alabama..."Hit 
shor don't look like no aeroplane."

Guido


-Original Message-
>From: "Matson, Robert D." 
>Sent: Nov 9, 2010 11:54 PM
>To: Count Deiro , meteorite list 
>
>Subject: OT: Not a missile -- a jet contrail
>
>Hi Count,
>
>Quite a few pieces of evidence against a missile launch:
>
>1. Military says they didn't launch anything
>2. No NOTAM submitted (in heavily congested int'l airport corridor)
>3. SLBMs never launch from coastal California waters
>4. No upper atmospheric, differential wind shear of the plume
>5. Contrail grew far too slowly for a missile launch
>6. Contrail did not persist after sunset (no twilight glow)
>7. No corresponding high-speed, high-altitude object on radar
>
>--Rob
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Count Deiro [mailto:countde...@earthlink.net]
>Sent: Tue 11/9/2010 11:37 PM
>To: Richard Kowalski; meteorite list; Matson, Robert D.
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail
> 
>Hello Richard and Listoids,
>
>The subject contrail/combustion byproduct/condensation trail was not made by a 
>turbojet powered aircraft. There is only one trail and it displays a massive 
>constant volume atypical of conventional multi-engine aircraft which display a 
>separate condensation trail from each engine. High altitude can make an 
>airliner's condensation trails look like a single artifact, but when seen 
>closer you easily can count the engines by the individual trails. 
>
>The volume and density of this trail belie any water condensed trail I have 
>seen from an aircraft. The trail of a rocket powered X15 isn't anywhere near 
>as massive as this dude.. In my learned opinion, this missle was powered by a 
>single (non-staging) big ass, solid fuel rocket engine. It looks like your 
>standard submarine launched ICBM going down range to our Pacific Test Area.
>
>Did you see the helicopter hovering in an observing position?
>
>Best,
>
>Count Deiro
>IMCA 3536
>
>P.S. In another life I was the Director of Aviation Facilities for the Hughes 
>Tool Co. and an ATP rated aviator. 
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: Richard Kowalski 
>>Sent: Nov 9, 2010 6:54 PM
>>To: meteorite list , " Robert D.Matson" 
>>
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail
>>
>>OK
>>
>>I'd like to see the third one i more detail, but its probably a contrail.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Richard Kowalski
>>Full Moon Photography
>>IMCA #1081
>

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[meteorite-list] OT: candidate for SoCal contrail

[Rob Matson]

Just to try to close the book on this, here's my candidate for the
source of the November 8th contrail:



Boeing 757-200 from Honolulu to Phoenix flew right over Catalina
Island at 37,000 feet at the time in question.

--Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Meteorites USA]

Plot thickens...?

The flight path of the US Airways flight which left Hawaii, and landed 
in Phoenix does in fact cross Catalina island.


Due west of Catalina is San Nicolas Island.

"...in 2004 and 2010, U.S. military research rockets were launched from 
San Nicolas Island. The launchpad was situated at 33°15′N 119°30′W / 
33.25°N 119.5°W / 33.25; -119.5Coordinates: 33°15′N 119°30′W / 
33.25°N 119.5°W / 33.25; -119.5. It remains part of the Pacific 
Missile Range..." SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Nicolas_Island


"...The San Nicolas Island Vandal Launch Pad launch complex is capable 
of supporting missile (Tomahawk & RAM) and missile targets (Vandal) 
launches. Launch complex's, ordnance handling, and a remote/secure 
environment provides an ideal location for weapons T&E. Many of the 
targets routinely used on the Sea Range (the BQM-34 and BQM-74 series 
and the MQM-8G) are launched from either the Point Mugu Surface Launch 
Complex at Building 55 or from additional specialized launch facilities 
on San Nicolas Island. ..." SOURCE - 
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/san-nicolas-island.htm


Map: 
http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=33.25,-119.5&spn=0.1,0.1&t=m&lci=org.wikipedia.en&q=33.25,-119.5%28San%20Nicolas%20Island%29


Video: 
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2010/11/09/pentagon-cant-explain-missile-off-california-coast/


Probably coincidence...

Eric



On 11/10/2010 12:09 AM, Count Deiro wrote:

Hi Bob,

You make a pretty convincing argument. After pondering your seven points I decided I had 
better lay off the wine before making any more assertions on List. I am not so sure now 
what this thing was. As they say in Alabama..."Hit shor don't look like no 
aeroplane."

Guido


-Original Message-
   

From: "Matson, Robert D."
Sent: Nov 9, 2010 11:54 PM
To: Count Deiro, meteorite 
list
Subject: OT: Not a missile -- a jet contrail

Hi Count,

Quite a few pieces of evidence against a missile launch:

1. Military says they didn't launch anything
2. No NOTAM submitted (in heavily congested int'l airport corridor)
3. SLBMs never launch from coastal California waters
4. No upper atmospheric, differential wind shear of the plume
5. Contrail grew far too slowly for a missile launch
6. Contrail did not persist after sunset (no twilight glow)
7. No corresponding high-speed, high-altitude object on radar

--Rob

-Original Message-
From: Count Deiro [mailto:countde...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tue 11/9/2010 11:37 PM
To: Richard Kowalski; meteorite list; Matson, Robert D.
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

Hello Richard and Listoids,

The subject contrail/combustion byproduct/condensation trail was not made by a 
turbojet powered aircraft. There is only one trail and it displays a massive 
constant volume atypical of conventional multi-engine aircraft which display a 
separate condensation trail from each engine. High altitude can make an 
airliner's condensation trails look like a single artifact, but when seen 
closer you easily can count the engines by the individual trails.

The volume and density of this trail belie any water condensed trail I have 
seen from an aircraft. The trail of a rocket powered X15 isn't anywhere near as 
massive as this dude.. In my learned opinion, this missle was powered by a 
single (non-staging) big ass, solid fuel rocket engine. It looks like your 
standard submarine launched ICBM going down range to our Pacific Test Area.

Did you see the helicopter hovering in an observing position?

Best,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

P.S. In another life I was the Director of Aviation Facilities for the Hughes 
Tool Co. and an ATP rated aviator.

-Original Message-
 

From: Richard Kowalski
Sent: Nov 9, 2010 6:54 PM
To: meteorite list, " Robert 
D.Matson"
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

OK

I'd like to see the third one i more detail, but its probably a contrail.


--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081
   
 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[GeoZay]

None of these look like any missile launch I've  ever seen here in 
California. These are all no doubt aircraft contrails. All the  missile 
contrails 
I've seen around here take up most of the northwestern sky and  have very 
pronounced zig zags of all colors. 
GeoZay
>>Compare the  four images  here:

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/missile_launch_california_contrail_
aircraft_203591-1.html

The  top one is from last night. The bottom three are all  confirmed
aircraft
contrails.   --Rob<<  

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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

I think why so many people have a hard time accepting the contrail
explanation, is because the government has proven itself so adept at
lying to it's own citizens, that people now expect to be lied to about
everything of consequence.

Even if it was a missile launch, the government would lie about it and
say it was a contrail, swamp gas, or Venus.

Best regards,

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On 11/10/10, geo...@aol.com  wrote:
> None of these look like any missile launch I've  ever seen here in
> California. These are all no doubt aircraft contrails. All the  missile
> contrails
> I've seen around here take up most of the northwestern sky and  have very
> pronounced zig zags of all colors.
> GeoZay
>>>Compare the  four images  here:
>
> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/missile_launch_california_contrail_
> aircraft_203591-1.html
>
> The  top one is from last night. The bottom three are all  confirmed
> aircraft
> contrails.   --Rob<<
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[meteorite-list] November Issue of Meteorite-Times now up

[Paul Harris]

Dear List,

The November issue of Meteorite-Times is now up.
http://www.meteorite-times.com/2010/11/

Enjoy!

Paul and Jim



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Re: [meteorite-list] OT: candidate for SoCal contrail

[John.L.Cabassi]

ROCKET LAUNCH: Last night, sky watchers in southern California and
Nevada witnessed a bright light cutting across the evening sky. It was a
Delta II rocket from the Vandenberg Air Force Base carrying Italy's
COSMO SkyMed-4 satellite to Earth orbit. The SkyMed-4 is equipped with a
radar that can image any part of Earth's surface--a capability that will
come in handy both for military surveillance and scientific research.
Follow the links for launch photos: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5. 

http://spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=06&month=11&year=2010

Some food for thought

John

-Original Message-
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob
Matson
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:11 AM
To: Meteorite Central
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: candidate for SoCal contrail


Just to try to close the book on this, here's my candidate for the
source of the November 8th contrail:



Boeing 757-200 from Honolulu to Phoenix flew right over Catalina Island
at 37,000 feet at the time in question.

--Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting Rats

[MEM]

Actually it is an excellent idea.  There is a Belgian Scientist in Africa that 
has raised a variety of larger, affectionate, friendly rats that are trained 
for 
finding land mines below the surface or the soil.  It is a very large rat 
species trained to lead on a leash.  The rats lighter weight means it is far 
less likely to explode the mine.  I believe there is a video at TED.com

The fact that it has the ability to smell the land mines below ground seems an 
advantage if adapted to meteorite hunting.

Imagine if you will someone dressed as the Pied Pipper and arriving at a fresh 
fall with dozens of Meteorite hunting rats...
You could cover acres in a short while.
Elton




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> From: "wahlpe...@aol.com" 
> To: drtan...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 9:59:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting Rats
> 
> Hi Dirk and List,
> 
> I advise against anybody using a rat to hunt in a  strewn field. I tried 
>hunting with a large rat once but it turned out bad. The  rat only seemed to 
>attract more rats to the area. So for me I have decided to  stick with my dog.
> 
> Just my two cents on hunting!   :  )
> 
> Sonny
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: drtanuki 
> To:  meteorite-list 
> Sent:  Tue, Nov 9, 2010 12:40 am
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting  Rats
> 
> 
> Dear List,Hopper The Meteorite Dog and Brix The Dog will soon  only be on 
>TV?Rats now being used to search for landmines will soon be trained  by 
>meteorite hunters to hunt for meteorites, predicts LunarMeteorite*Hunter,  
>Tokyo, Japan.  Rats have an acute sense for smell and are extremely  accurate 
>in 
>detection; rat "packs" will soon be used to search strewn fields in  Poland, 
>Canada, the US and elsewhere. " Dogs will soon be out of use due to  their 
>large 
>size and food consumption; rats are "in"".  
>http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/11/rats-may-soon-be-trained-to-search-for.html
> 
>   with videoBest Regards, Dirk  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Chris Spratt]

Probably a fed up meteorite leaving Earth for the Moon or Mars.

Chris. Spratt
Victoria, BC
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting Rats

[JoshuaTreeMuseum]

Elton:
That's too funny!! The Pied Piper with a herd of meteorats!
-
Phil Whitmer



Actually it is an excellent idea. There is a Belgian Scientist in Africa 
that
has raised a variety of larger, affectionate, friendly rats that are trained 
for

finding land mines below the surface or the soil. It is a very large rat
species trained to lead on a leash. The rats lighter weight means it is far
less likely to explode the mine. I believe there is a video at TED.com

The fact that it has the ability to smell the land mines below ground seems 
an

advantage if adapted to meteorite hunting.

Imagine if you will someone dressed as the Pied Pipper and arriving at a 
fresh

fall with dozens of Meteorite hunting rats...
You could cover acres in a short while.
Elton



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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Mike Hankey]

Why is everyone beating around the bush here!? Isn't it obvious?

We all know this was the Pleiadians and Lizard People who are going to
explode America while Obama is in Asia

http://wonkette.com/429668/pleiadians-lizard-people-going-to-explode-america-while-obama-is-in-asia


On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Matson, Robert D.
 wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> We've seen this sort of thing before, folks. It's not a missile launch.
> It's
> just a sunlit contrail from an airliner flying toward (and to the right)
> of
> the camera. SLBMs are not launched so close to the California coastline,
> and certainly not without submitting a NOTAM.  --Rob
>
> -Original Message-
> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
> impact...@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 5:23 PM
> To: drtan...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
> meteor...@meteorobs.org
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a Meteor? California A LAunch?
>
> In a message dated 11/9/2010 6:14:23 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> drtan...@yahoo.com writes:
> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/11/not-meteor-meteormeteo
> rite-news.html
>
> Hope FOX News checked their sources!  Tokyo
> 
>
>
> On AOL News:
> http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/mystery-missile-lights-up-los-
> angeles-skies/19709162?icid=main%7Cwelcome%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%7C183117
>
> More reliable than Fox?
>
> Anne M. Black
> http://www.impactika.com/
> impact...@aol.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Ted Bunch]

Not a meteorite, Nancy Pelosi.

Ted


On 11/10/10 10:55 AM, "Chris Spratt"  wrote:

> Probably a fed up meteorite leaving Earth for the Moon or Mars.
> 
> Chris. Spratt
> Victoria, BC
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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[mafer]

Naw, Meg W.

On 6:19:35 pm 11/10/10 Ted Bunch  wrote:
> Not a meteorite, Nancy Pelosi.
>
> Ted
>
>
> On 11/10/10 10:55 AM, "Chris Spratt"  wrote:
>
> >  Probably a fed up meteorite leaving Earth for the Moon or Mars.
> >
> >  Chris. Spratt
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[meteorite-list] Missle or Aircraft Controversy Resolved?

[Count Deiro]

Dear List,

Those of us who insisted the subject trail was from a missle appear to have 
some heavy duty support.  This has just been released internationally.

But Doug Richardson, the editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, examined 
the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt. 

"It’s a solid propellant missile," he told the Times. "You can tell from the 
efflux [smoke]." 

Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched from a 
submarine or an interceptor, the defensive anti-missile weapon used by Navy 
surface ships---

Regards,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Missle or Aircraft Controversy Resolved?

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

Hi List,

If this was truly a ballistic missile, wouldn't it show up on the
radars of every air-traffic control tower and weather doppler for
hundreds of miles around?  It doesn't seem like an epic investigation
to reconcile the known air-traffic in the area at the time and any
radar signatures that were detected.  A plane and a missile would have
very different flight paths, so it should be relatively easy (for
qualified persons) to determine what it is.

Let's pretend this contrail was a bolide trail instead.  Where is the
nearest doppler station?

Best regards,

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On 11/10/10, Count Deiro  wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> Those of us who insisted the subject trail was from a missle appear to have
> some heavy duty support.  This has just been released internationally.
>
> But Doug Richardson, the editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, examined
> the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt.
>
> "It’s a solid propellant missile," he told the Times. "You can tell from the
> efflux [smoke]."
>
> Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched from a
> submarine or an interceptor, the defensive anti-missile weapon used by Navy
> surface ships---
>
> Regards,
>
> Count Deiro
> IMCA 3536
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Missle or Aircraft Controversy Resolved?

[mafer]

even old missiles like the Nike left the launch rail at multi-mach
speeds...the chances of an ATC seeing it long enough to think it might be a
problem are slim since it would have been at a close to vertical climb. The
military would have been instructed to just ignore or watch it, depending
on their individual functions. Since it looks like it might have been off
Point Magoo, I'd suspect it was a Navy test shot.




On 8:48:30 pm 11/10/10 "Galactic Stone & Ironworks"  
wrote:

> Hi List,
>
> If this was truly a ballistic missile, wouldn't it show up on the
> radars of every air-traffic control tower and weather doppler for
> hundreds of miles around?  It doesn't seem like an epic investigation
> to reconcile the known air-traffic in the area at the time and any
> radar signatures that were detected.  A plane and a missile would have
> very different flight paths, so it should be relatively easy (for
> qualified persons) to determine what it is.
>
> Let's pretend this contrail was a bolide trail instead.  Where is the
> nearest doppler station?
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
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>
>
> On 11/10/10, Count Deiro  wrote:
> >  Dear List,
> >
> >  Those of us who insisted the subject trail was from a missle
> >  appear to have some heavy duty support.  This has just been
> > released internationally.
> >  But Doug Richardson, the editor of Janes Missiles and
> >  Rockets, examined the video for the Times of London and said he
> > was left with little doubt.
> >  "Its a solid propellant missile," he told the Times. "You can
> >  tell from the efflux [smoke]."
> >
> >  Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched
> >  from a submarine or an interceptor, the defensive anti-missile
> >  weapon used by Navy surface ships---
> >
> >  Regards,
> >
> >  Count Deiro
> >  IMCA 3536
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Missle or Aircraft Controversy Resolved?

[Meteorites USA]

BBC says Pentagon says Aircraft not Missile: 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11731014


Fox News Blog says that DoD says aircraft... 
http://liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/11/10/dod-case-closed-plane-caused-contrail/?test=latestnews 



"...With all the information that we have gathered over the last day... 
both within the Department of Defense and other U.S. government 
agencies, we have no information to suggest this was anything other than 
a contrail caused by an aircraft," said Col. David Lapan..."


Still, the very careful wording of this quote is neither a confirmation 
nor a denial. It's interesting how it's worded that the general public 
is experiencing an "optical illusion".


Missile Launch Photos: 
http://www.google.com/images?q=missile+launch&biw=1280&bih=777


Whatever...

Eric



On 11/10/2010 12:56 PM, ma...@imagineopals.com wrote:

even old missiles like the Nike left the launch rail at multi-mach
speeds...the chances of an ATC seeing it long enough to think it might be a
problem are slim since it would have been at a close to vertical climb. The
military would have been instructed to just ignore or watch it, depending
on their individual functions. Since it looks like it might have been off
Point Magoo, I'd suspect it was a Navy test shot.




On 8:48:30 pm 11/10/10 "Galactic Stone&  Ironworks"  
wrote:

   

Hi List,

If this was truly a ballistic missile, wouldn't it show up on the
radars of every air-traffic control tower and weather doppler for
hundreds of miles around?  It doesn't seem like an epic investigation
to reconcile the known air-traffic in the area at the time and any
radar signatures that were detected.  A plane and a missile would have
very different flight paths, so it should be relatively easy (for
qualified persons) to determine what it is.

Let's pretend this contrail was a bolide trail instead.  Where is the
nearest doppler station?

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 11/10/10, Count Deiro  wrote:
 

  Dear List,

  Those of us who insisted the subject trail was from a missle
  appear to have some heavy duty support.  This has just been
released internationally.
  But Doug Richardson, the editor of Janes Missiles and
  Rockets, examined the video for the Times of London and said he
was left with little doubt.
  "Its a solid propellant missile," he told the Times. "You can
  tell from the efflux [smoke]."

  Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched
  from a submarine or an interceptor, the defensive anti-missile
  weapon used by Navy surface ships---

  Regards,

  Count Deiro
  IMCA 3536


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[meteorite-list] AD: Special: Extremely unusual Eucrite - NWA 5473

[Chladnis Heirs]

Dear Friends of truly unusual meteorites,


in a Quick-Special, we want to present to you a very uncommon and weird new
eucrite.

Just take a look and you'll agree, that we have here a HED of quite unique
appearance:

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/special-nwa5473.html


It is a polymict eucrite, but extremely shocked. Instead of displaying as to
expect textureless impact melts,
the matrix consist of a large variety of grains and finest fragments,
looking almost like have been sprayed around. 
Very hard to cut material it is. Here and there large lighter clasts are
preserved.
A strange play of colours it has.

We had held back that stone for two years, 
usually if of new material somewhat more gets available, it will appear very
soon with different numbers.
Not so with that one, we are not aware of pairings since.

NWA 5473
Sahara, 2008
tkw 45.9g
polymict EUC
Shock level:  high
Weathering grade: moderate

Only a small stone it was;
with such fast-going exciting material of very limited availability,
we have always to vary a little bit, because of the different time zones, 
where to publish our Specials firstly, to be more fair. 
This time we offered NWA 5473 three hours earlier in the Germs forum,
and all slices went immediately.

But, the good news - the main mass of 23.2g is still free.

And the better news - we priced it fairly cheap for such a quite unique
material:   20$/g.

The polished cut face of the main mass is a little bit reflecting in the
photo,
it is looking as fine as the slices do.


So here you are!

Good luck!

Stefan Ralew & Martin Altmann


Chladni's Heirs
Munich - Berlin
Fine Meteorites for Science & Collectors

http://www.chladnis-heirs.com





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Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE MEN

[Michael Blood]

Did y'all see the latest METEORITE MEN?
Killer Vaca Muerta recovery. Possibly the
Best specimen ever - certainly the best I have seen.
Michael


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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Mark Bowling]

And in some of the footage I saw, it looked like flame was coming out at the 
source.  So while it looks like a contrail, that seems like an odd feature for 
one.  But maybe it's just an optical illusion because of the way it all lines 
up.  It could be that some fish are interested in exploring the oceans of Titan 
or Europa(?).

Mark B.
Vail, AZ



- Original Message 
From: Richard Kowalski 
To: meteorite list 
Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 7:01:30 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

I'm not so sure I agree with you Rob.

The original footage is here:

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2010/11/09/pentagon-cant-explain-missile-off-california-coast/



The trail looks like many other rocket launches I've seen in twilight. Note the 
appearance is a vertical climb and then arcing over, down range.

Note too that there are no other contrails in the sky.

I certainly hope it is a contrail, but it looks very much like a submarine 
launched ballistic missile.


--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081


--- On Tue, 11/9/10, Matson, Robert D.  wrote:

> From: Matson, Robert D. 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail
> To: impact...@aol.com, drtan...@yahoo.com, 
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, 
>meteor...@meteorobs.org
> Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 6:31 PM
> Hi All,
> 
> We've seen this sort of thing before, folks. It's not a
> missile launch.
> It's
> just a sunlit contrail from an airliner flying toward (and
> to the right)
> of
> the camera. SLBMs are not launched so close to the
> California coastline,
> and certainly not without submitting a NOTAM.  --Rob
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
> On Behalf Of
> impact...@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 5:23 PM
> To: drtan...@yahoo.com;
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
> meteor...@meteorobs.org
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a Meteor? California A
> LAunch?
> 
> In a message dated 11/9/2010 6:14:23 PM Mountain Standard
> Time,
> drtan...@yahoo.com
> writes:
> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/11/not-meteor-meteormeteo
> rite-news.html
> 
> Hope FOX News checked their sources!  Tokyo
> 
>  
> 
> On AOL News:
> http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/mystery-missile-lights-up-los-
> angeles-skies/19709162?icid=main%7Cwelcome%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%7C183117
> 
> More reliable than Fox?
> 
> Anne M. Black
> http://www.impactika.com/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[George Blahun]

After reserving judgement I find myself in the "probably aircraft" camp.  What 
I find somewhat unsettling is after a couple days of wondering, the FAA, the 
military and the government aren't able to say with certainty what it was.  
This isn't an illegal alien slipping across the border, it's a big contrail 
leaving craft.  If it can leave a contrail, there should be a record of it.  I 
suppose it could have been a black project, but even then I'd expect a cover 
story which was definitive.

George

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[meteorite-list] Which class matches a chondrite ,,,

[m42protosun]

Hi met friends,

Which class of petrography matches a chondrite, which was molten nearly 99,99% 
and now has no chondrules but only a few remnants, which could be parts of them?

Is this an achondrite, because total melting means morphodifferentiation?

Look at 

www.flickr.com/photos/inside_of_meteorites/5164936462/in/set-72157625356287024/

and give your comment.

The thin iron lines mean that the melting temperature must be at least 1600°C. 
That is in the range of melting temperature of Pyroxene and above Olivine.

Can an meteoroid of several ponds weight with a null gravity and which orbits 
the sun nearby become differentiated?

m42protosun


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[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - November 10, 2010

[Ron Baalke]

MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES
November 10, 2010

o Sinuous Ridges
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_019677_1585

o Southern Hemisphere Crater with Gullies
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_003162_1445

o Cerberus Fossae Fracture
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_004006_1900

o Crater Central Peak
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_004242_1495

o Blocks and Valleys in Southwestern Melas Chasma
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_004384_1705

o Inverted Channels and Layers Near Juventae Chasma
  http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/PSP_004423_1755


All of the HiRISE images are archived here:

http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/

Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is 
online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is 
managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division 
of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed 
Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor 
and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the 
University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies 
Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument.

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Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE MEN

[cdtucson]

Michael,
Very nice find and Very glad the show is back on myself. 
Carl
--
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 Michael Blood  wrote: 
> Did y'all see the latest METEORITE MEN?
> Killer Vaca Muerta recovery. Possibly the
> Best specimen ever - certainly the best I have seen.
> Michael
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Greg Hupe]

"Naw, Meg W."
Meg(a) W(histle)... made a lot of noise, peetered out and then fell in the 
ocean, pretty sure the missile didn't cost 140,000,000.00 bucks like, "The 
CamPain!!"


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To: "Ted Bunch" 
Cc: ; 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail



Naw, Meg W.

On 6:19:35 pm 11/10/10 Ted Bunch  wrote:

Not a meteorite, Nancy Pelosi.

Ted


On 11/10/10 10:55 AM, "Chris Spratt"  wrote:

>  Probably a fed up meteorite leaving Earth for the Moon or Mars.
>
>  Chris. Spratt
>  Victoria, BC
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting Rats

[Greg Hupe]

" It is a very large rat species trained to lead on a leash"

Sounds like fishing with live bait, works very well to catch the BIG ones!!

Best regards,
Greg


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- Original Message - 
From: "MEM" 

To: 
Cc: "metlist" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting Rats


Actually it is an excellent idea.  There is a Belgian Scientist in Africa 
that
has raised a variety of larger, affectionate, friendly rats that are 
trained for

finding land mines below the surface or the soil.  It is a very large rat
species trained to lead on a leash.  The rats lighter weight means it is 
far

less likely to explode the mine.  I believe there is a video at TED.com

The fact that it has the ability to smell the land mines below ground 
seems an

advantage if adapted to meteorite hunting.

Imagine if you will someone dressed as the Pied Pipper and arriving at a 
fresh

fall with dozens of Meteorite hunting rats...
You could cover acres in a short while.
Elton




- Original Message 

From: "wahlpe...@aol.com" 
To: drtan...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 9:59:33 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting Rats

Hi Dirk and List,

I advise against anybody using a rat to hunt in a  strewn field. I tried
hunting with a large rat once but it turned out bad. The  rat only seemed 
to
attract more rats to the area. So for me I have decided to  stick with my 
dog.


Just my two cents on hunting!   :  )

Sonny


-Original Message-
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To:  meteorite-list 
Sent:  Tue, Nov 9, 2010 12:40 am
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting  Rats


Dear List,Hopper The Meteorite Dog and Brix The Dog will soon  only be on
TV?Rats now being used to search for landmines will soon be trained  by
meteorite hunters to hunt for meteorites, predicts LunarMeteorite*Hunter,
Tokyo, Japan.  Rats have an acute sense for smell and are extremely 
accurate in
detection; rat "packs" will soon be used to search strewn fields in 
Poland,
Canada, the US and elsewhere. " Dogs will soon be out of use due to  their 
large

size and food consumption; rats are "in"".
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/11/rats-may-soon-be-trained-to-search-for.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Missle or Aircraft Controversy Resolved?

[Greg Hupe]

"If this was truly a ballistic missile, wouldn't it show up on the
radars of every air-traffic control tower and weather doppler for
hundreds of miles around?"...

...Unless of course the guv-ment 'urged' the radar folks to ignore some 
radar data. Maybe it was an accidental launch that would embarrass the 
powers in charge?...or a private company that decided to launch their 
Helium3 excavator to the moon without guv-ment approval?...


Just a couple more thoughts to add to the fire...


- Original Message - 
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 

To: "Count Deiro" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Missle or Aircraft Controversy Resolved?


Hi List,

If this was truly a ballistic missile, wouldn't it show up on the
radars of every air-traffic control tower and weather doppler for
hundreds of miles around?  It doesn't seem like an epic investigation
to reconcile the known air-traffic in the area at the time and any
radar signatures that were detected.  A plane and a missile would have
very different flight paths, so it should be relatively easy (for
qualified persons) to determine what it is.

Let's pretend this contrail was a bolide trail instead.  Where is the
nearest doppler station?

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 11/10/10, Count Deiro  wrote:

Dear List,

Those of us who insisted the subject trail was from a missle appear to 
have

some heavy duty support.  This has just been released internationally.

But Doug Richardson, the editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets, 
examined

the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt.

"It’s a solid propellant missile," he told the Times. "You can tell from 
the

efflux [smoke]."

Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched from a
submarine or an interceptor, the defensive anti-missile weapon used by 
Navy

surface ships---

Regards,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536


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Re: [meteorite-list] Missle or Aircraft Controversy Resolved?

[Ken Newton]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/10/blogger-solved-california-missile-mystery/?test=faces

On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Greg Hupe  wrote:
> "If this was truly a ballistic missile, wouldn't it show up on the
> radars of every air-traffic control tower and weather doppler for
> hundreds of miles around?"...
>
> ...Unless of course the guv-ment 'urged' the radar folks to ignore some
> radar data. Maybe it was an accidental launch that would embarrass the
> powers in charge?...or a private company that decided to launch their
> Helium3 excavator to the moon without guv-ment approval?...
>
> Just a couple more thoughts to add to the fire...
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks"
> 
> To: "Count Deiro" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Missle or Aircraft Controversy Resolved?
>
>
> Hi List,
>
> If this was truly a ballistic missile, wouldn't it show up on the
> radars of every air-traffic control tower and weather doppler for
> hundreds of miles around?  It doesn't seem like an epic investigation
> to reconcile the known air-traffic in the area at the time and any
> radar signatures that were detected.  A plane and a missile would have
> very different flight paths, so it should be relatively easy (for
> qualified persons) to determine what it is.
>
> Let's pretend this contrail was a bolide trail instead.  Where is the
> nearest doppler station?
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>
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>
>
>
> On 11/10/10, Count Deiro  wrote:
>>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> Those of us who insisted the subject trail was from a missle appear to
>> have
>> some heavy duty support.  This has just been released internationally.
>>
>> But Doug Richardson, the editor of Jane’s Missiles and Rockets,
>> examined
>> the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt.
>>
>> "It’s a solid propellant missile," he told the Times. "You can tell from
>> the
>> efflux [smoke]."
>>
>> Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched from a
>> submarine or an interceptor, the defensive anti-missile weapon used by
>> Navy
>> surface ships---
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Count Deiro
>> IMCA 3536
>>
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[meteorite-list] Rodrigo Martinez Contact

[Felipe Guajardo]

Happy Wednesday,
Has anyone been in contact with Rodrigo Martinez? I have not been able
to get in touch with him. If anybody has his e-mail please let me
know. Thanks!

-- 
Felipe
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[meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[JoshuaTreeMuseum]

The flight path of a 757 was posted over the Catalina Island area at the 
time of the contrails by Rob: 
 
I find that to be very solid evidence for the contrail theory.



Apparently jet contrails get confused for missles fairly often. If you read 
the comments at the bottom of the article, they reflect the exact arguments 
made about the current confusion.  It's deja vu all over again. Or it could 
be George, his wife Jane and their daughter Judy, son Elroy and Astro their 
dog, celebrating Carl Sagan's birthday.


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/01/27/nl-ufo-military-012710.html#socialcomments

DND, RCMP mum on UFO mystery
People who saw a missile-like object soaring through the sky over a small 
rural community in Newfoundland Monday night are getting no answers about 
what it was, although police say they'd gotten to the bottom of the mystery.


Darlene Stewart spotted the object while taking pictures of the sunset over 
Harbour Mille, a community of about 200 residents on the south coast of the 
province. She says she started snapping photos.


She then called her neighbour, Emmy Pardy, and the two women, along with 
Stewart's husband, say they saw three similar objects flying through the air 
minutes apart, one up close and two farther off in the distance.


"I really did get sick to my stomach, I was shaking when I seen it," Stewart 
told CBC News Wednesday. "We were just in awe of what we seen."


The photos taken by Stewart show blurry pictures of what appears to be a 
long, round object, much like a missile, seemingly rising from the ocean, 
with either smoke or flames shooting out the back end.


Objects made no noise
Stewart said the objects didn't make any noise.

"We confirmed that it was something," Sgt. Wayne Edgecombe told CBC News 
Wednesday. But Edgecombe said he couldn't reveal what the police 
investigation uncovered.


He said the focus of any police investigation is on whether something 
criminal has occurred.


"It's nothing criminal," he said, in relation to the unidentified object.

Edgecombe said he contacted the Department of National Defence and "they 
gave me some info," but he said that it is up to that department to release 
the information publicly.


Defence Department officials said they were aware of the reports, but were 
waiting on a final report before commenting and that the RCMP were in charge 
of the investigation. However, the RCMP released a statement Wednesday 
referring all media inquiries on the subject to Public Safety Canada.


That department referred inquiries back to the RCMP.

The sighting has intrigued people in the Harbour Mille area, with some 
saying they were told by officers who were in the community Tuesday 
investigating the sightings, that the objects were test missiles launched 
from the nearby French islands of St. Pierre and Miquelon.


Edgecombe said that rumour is completely false.

The French Ministry of Defence posted a message on its website confirming it 
had launched a missile from a submarine this week but the time and direction 
didn't match with what was reportedly seen over the south coast of 
Newfoundland.


The suggestion that the object possibly involved the military has Liberal MP 
Gerry Byrne, who represents the Newfoundland riding of Humber-St. Barbe-Baie 
Verte, demanding answers.


"There's a credible body of evidence," Byrne told CBC News, "that suggests 
there's something spectacular happened off of our shore. Before this goes 
any farther, I think the government needs to actually respond very quickly 
with a straightforward, factual statement."


Was safety in jeopardy?
Byrne said if it was some kind of military test, then people should be told 
whether their safety was jeopardized.


"If indeed this was a man-made object, that it was a missile, was there any 
potential risk to health and safety from collateral damage should the 
missile fire have failed?"


Byrne used the mystery to take a shot at the federal government for 
proroguing Parliament. He said if the House of Commons was opened, he'd be 
able to question the ministers of defence, transport and public safety about 
the incident.


"It's cloaked in relative secrecy," he said. "And the only way to get around 
that secrecy is a special institution called the floor of the House of 
Commons."


Stewart said Tuesday she has been overwhelmed by the number of calls she has 
received about the sighting. But she said nobody has told her officially 
what it was that she saw.


"I would like to get to the bottom of it," she said.



Read more: 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Stuart McDaniel]

We could not be that lucky!

-Original Message- 
From: Ted Bunch

Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 1:19 PM
To: cspr...@islandnet.com ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

Not a meteorite, Nancy Pelosi.

Ted


On 11/10/10 10:55 AM, "Chris Spratt"  wrote:


Probably a fed up meteorite leaving Earth for the Moon or Mars.

Chris. Spratt
Victoria, BC
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Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE MEN

[Paul Harris]

Great show last night!  Here are more show times. 
http://science.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=48.16200.126184.36729.2


Geoff did a great interview here. 
http://www.tucsonmorningblend.com/videos/106451583.html


Paul




 Michael Blood  wrote:
   

Did y'all see the latest METEORITE MEN?
 Killer Vaca Muerta recovery. Possibly the
Best specimen ever - certainly the best I have seen.
 Michael


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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Richard Montgomery]

Dr. Ted, best one yet.


- Original Message - 
From: "Ted Bunch" 

To: ; 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail



Not a meteorite, Nancy Pelosi.

Ted


On 11/10/10 10:55 AM, "Chris Spratt"  wrote:


Probably a fed up meteorite leaving Earth for the Moon or Mars.

Chris. Spratt
Victoria, BC
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Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE MEN

[Stuart McDaniel]

Yes it was!!! AWESOME!!! Geoff and Steve both episodes so far have been 
great!!



-Original Message- 
From: Michael Blood

Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 4:21 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE MEN

Did y'all see the latest METEORITE MEN?
   Killer Vaca Muerta recovery. Possibly the
Best specimen ever - certainly the best I have seen.
   Michael


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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Impactika]

You got it all wrong.  Nancy is fine.
It was Rush Limbaugh who finally blew up!
Good riddance.
 
Anne M. Black
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President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
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In a message dated 11/10/2010 6:36:11 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
rickm...@earthlink.net writes:
Dr. Ted, best one yet.


- Original Message - 
From: "Ted Bunch" 
To: ; 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail


> Not a meteorite, Nancy Pelosi.
>
> Ted


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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Dennis Miller]

I don't really know, but I'm sure, that right along with the B-2, A-12, F-117A, 
and the YF-22
aircrafts, that the Navy has sub launched stealth missile
Dennis Miller


> From: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:03:13 -0500
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail
> 
> 
> The flight path of a 757 was posted over the Catalina Island area at the 
> time of the contrails by Rob: 
>  
> I find that to be very solid evidence for the contrail theory.
> 
> 
> Apparently jet contrails get confused for missles fairly often. If you read 
> the comments at the bottom of the article, they reflect the exact arguments 
> made about the current confusion. It's deja vu all over again. Or it could 
> be George, his wife Jane and their daughter Judy, son Elroy and Astro their 
> dog, celebrating Carl Sagan's birthday.
> 
> http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/01/27/nl-ufo-military-012710.html#socialcomments
> 
> DND, RCMP mum on UFO mystery
> People who saw a missile-like object soaring through the sky over a small 
> rural community in Newfoundland Monday night are getting no answers about 
> what it was, although police say they'd gotten to the bottom of the mystery.
> 
> Darlene Stewart spotted the object while taking pictures of the sunset over 
> Harbour Mille, a community of about 200 residents on the south coast of the 
> province. She says she started snapping photos.
> 
> She then called her neighbour, Emmy Pardy, and the two women, along with 
> Stewart's husband, say they saw three similar objects flying through the air 
> minutes apart, one up close and two farther off in the distance.
> 
> "I really did get sick to my stomach, I was shaking when I seen it," Stewart 
> told CBC News Wednesday. "We were just in awe of what we seen."
> 
> The photos taken by Stewart show blurry pictures of what appears to be a 
> long, round object, much like a missile, seemingly rising from the ocean, 
> with either smoke or flames shooting out the back end.
> 
> Objects made no noise
> Stewart said the objects didn't make any noise.
> 
> "We confirmed that it was something," Sgt. Wayne Edgecombe told CBC News 
> Wednesday. But Edgecombe said he couldn't reveal what the police 
> investigation uncovered.
> 
> He said the focus of any police investigation is on whether something 
> criminal has occurred.
> 
> "It's nothing criminal," he said, in relation to the unidentified object.
> 
> Edgecombe said he contacted the Department of National Defence and "they 
> gave me some info," but he said that it is up to that department to release 
> the information publicly.
> 
> Defence Department officials said they were aware of the reports, but were 
> waiting on a final report before commenting and that the RCMP were in charge 
> of the investigation. However, the RCMP released a statement Wednesday 
> referring all media inquiries on the subject to Public Safety Canada.
> 
> That department referred inquiries back to the RCMP.
> 
> The sighting has intrigued people in the Harbour Mille area, with some 
> saying they were told by officers who were in the community Tuesday 
> investigating the sightings, that the objects were test missiles launched 
> from the nearby French islands of St. Pierre and Miquelon.
> 
> Edgecombe said that rumour is completely false.
> 
> The French Ministry of Defence posted a message on its website confirming it 
> had launched a missile from a submarine this week but the time and direction 
> didn't match with what was reportedly seen over the south coast of 
> Newfoundland.
> 
> The suggestion that the object possibly involved the military has Liberal MP 
> Gerry Byrne, who represents the Newfoundland riding of Humber-St. Barbe-Baie 
> Verte, demanding answers.
> 
> "There's a credible body of evidence," Byrne told CBC News, "that suggests 
> there's something spectacular happened off of our shore. Before this goes 
> any farther, I think the government needs to actually respond very quickly 
> with a straightforward, factual statement."
> 
> Was safety in jeopardy?
> Byrne said if it was some kind of military test, then people should be told 
> whether their safety was jeopardized.
> 
> "If indeed this was a man-made object, that it was a missile, was there any 
> potential risk to health and safety from collateral damage should the 
> missile fire have failed?"
> 
> Byrne used the mystery to take a shot at the federal government for 
> proroguing Parliament. He said if the House of Commons was opened, he'd be 
> able to question the ministers of defence, transport and public safety about 
> the incident.
> 
> "It's cloaked in relative secrecy," he said. "And the only way to get around 
> that secrecy is a special institution called the floor of the House of 
> Commons."
> 
> Stewart s

Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[drtanuki]

Yeah,  Too much hot air and a serious gas leak to close to a fire source.

--- On Thu, 11/11/10, impact...@aol.com  wrote:

> From: impact...@aol.com 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail
> To: rickm...@earthlink.net, tbe...@cableone.net, cspr...@islandnet.com, 
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, November 11, 2010, 10:41 AM
> You got it all wrong.  Nancy is
> fine.
> It was Rush Limbaugh who finally blew up!
> Good riddance.
>  
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
> _impact...@aol.com_
> (mailto:impact...@aol.com)
> 
> President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
>  
>  
>  
> In a message dated 11/10/2010 6:36:11 PM Mountain Standard
> Time, 
> rickm...@earthlink.net
> writes:
> Dr. Ted, best one yet.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ted Bunch" 
> To: ;
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet
> contrail
> 
> 
> > Not a meteorite, Nancy Pelosi.
> >
> > Ted
> 
> 
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[meteorite-list] meteor meteorite chat open now

[drtanuki]

Dear List,  Meteor/Meteorite chat room is open  
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/

dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Meteorites USA]

Nancy and Rush got married and that was their spaceship to the Moon... ;)



On 11/10/2010 5:41 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote:

You got it all wrong.  Nancy is fine.
It was Rush Limbaugh who finally blew up!
Good riddance.

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
_impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com)
President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)



In a message dated 11/10/2010 6:36:11 PM Mountain Standard Time,
rickm...@earthlink.net writes:
Dr. Ted, best one yet.


- Original Message -
From: "Ted Bunch"
To:;
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail


   

Not a meteorite, Nancy Pelosi.

Ted
 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Sterling K. Webb]

I had hoped that nobody would bring the
Pleidians and the Lizard People into this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M5Bf6TtW8w&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKx4MeBybkc&feature=player_embedded

"To Serve Man" is a cookbook...


Sterling K. Webb
---
- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hankey" 

To: "Matson, Robert D." 
Cc: ; 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail


Why is everyone beating around the bush here!? Isn't it obvious?

We all know this was the Pleiadians and Lizard People who are going to
explode America while Obama is in Asia

http://wonkette.com/429668/pleiadians-lizard-people-going-to-explode-america-while-obama-is-in-asia


On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Matson, Robert D.
 wrote:

Hi All,

We've seen this sort of thing before, folks. It's not a missile 
launch.

It's
just a sunlit contrail from an airliner flying toward (and to the 
right)

of
the camera. SLBMs are not launched so close to the California 
coastline,

and certainly not without submitting a NOTAM. --Rob

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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
impact...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 5:23 PM
To: drtan...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
meteor...@meteorobs.org
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a Meteor? California A LAunch?

In a message dated 11/9/2010 6:14:23 PM Mountain Standard Time,
drtan...@yahoo.com writes:
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/11/not-meteor-meteormeteo
rite-news.html

Hope FOX News checked their sources! Tokyo



On AOL News:
http://www.aolnews.com/surge-desk/article/mystery-missile-lights-up-los-
angeles-skies/19709162?icid=main%7Cwelcome%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%7C183117

More reliable than Fox?

Anne M. Black
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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail

[Rob Holcomb]

I thought it was Sarah Palin's ego taking a spaceship to the moon. :-)

There are rather common sightings here, the actual missile contrail is
usually very fast. I remember the ABM tests over the Pacific and it was
pretty cool to watch.

Rob Holcomb
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From: "Meteorites USA" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:53 PM
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Nancy and Rush got married and that was their spaceship to the Moon... ;)



On 11/10/2010 5:41 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote:

You got it all wrong.  Nancy is fine.
It was Rush Limbaugh who finally blew up!
Good riddance.

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In a message dated 11/10/2010 6:36:11 PM Mountain Standard Time,
rickm...@earthlink.net writes:
Dr. Ted, best one yet.


- Original Message -
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Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail




Not a meteorite, Nancy Pelosi.

Ted



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Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE MEN

[Rob Holcomb]

Are these shows available on the Internet? I don't get any premium channels 
and would like to see what all the excitement is about.


Rob Holcomb
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From: "Stuart McDaniel" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:39 PM
To: "Michael Blood" ; "Meteorite List" 


Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE MEN

Yes it was!!! AWESOME!!! Geoff and Steve both episodes so far have been 
great!!



-Original Message- 
From: Michael Blood

Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 4:21 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE MEN

Did y'all see the latest METEORITE MEN?
   Killer Vaca Muerta recovery. Possibly the
Best specimen ever - certainly the best I have seen.
   Michael


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Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE MEN

[Meteorites USA]

You can watch Season 2 Episode 1 & 2 on Amazon.com.
http://www.amazon.com/Alpha-Site-Kansas/dp/B004AUELE2/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1289443607&sr=8-13

Season 1: 
http://www.amazon.com/Odessa-Iron-Meteorite-Crater-Texas/dp/B004AKCMN4/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1289443607&sr=8-8


Enjoy...

Eric


On 11/10/2010 6:26 PM, Rob Holcomb wrote:
Are these shows available on the Internet? I don't get any premium 
channels and would like to see what all the excitement is about.


Rob Holcomb
Meteorite storage and preservation
http://www.rholcomb.com

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From: "Stuart McDaniel" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:39 PM
To: "Michael Blood" ; "Meteorite List" 


Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE MEN

Yes it was!!! AWESOME!!! Geoff and Steve both episodes so far have 
been great!!



-Original Message- From: Michael Blood
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 4:21 PM
To: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE MEN

Did y'all see the latest METEORITE MEN?
   Killer Vaca Muerta recovery. Possibly the
Best specimen ever - certainly the best I have seen.
   Michael


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[meteorite-list] "Missile" deja vu

[Rob Matson]

Hi All,

For the few remaining people that have lingering doubts about
the cause of the November 8th southern California mystery contrail,
I invite you to watch this YouTube video of a remarkably similar
event seen from Key West, Florida, on New Years Eve 2008:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sVmjpDZLN0

Best,
Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE MEN

[Shawn Alan]

Eric,

Great I can watch meteorite men finally thank you.

Shawn Alan
 
 
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You can watch Season 2 Episode 1 & 2 on Amazon.com. 
http://www.amazon.com/Alpha-Site-Kansas/dp/B004AUELE2/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1289443607&sr=8-13
 

Season 1: 
http://www.amazon.com/Odessa-Iron-Meteorite-Crater-Texas/dp/B004AKCMN4/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1289443607&sr=8-8
 

Enjoy... 

Eric 


On 11/10/2010 6:26 PM, Rob Holcomb wrote: 

> Are these shows available on the Internet? I don't get any premium 

> channels and would like to see what all the excitement is about. 

> 

> Rob Holcomb 

> Meteorite storage and preservation 

> http://www.rholcomb.com 

> 

> -- 

> From: "Stuart McDaniel"  

> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:39 PM 

> To: "Michael Blood" ; "Meteorite List" 

>  

> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE MEN 

> 

>> Yes it was!!! AWESOME!!! Geoff and Steve both episodes so far have 

>> been great!! 

>> 

>> 

>> -Original Message- From: Michael Blood 

>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 4:21 PM 

>> To: Meteorite List 

>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE MEN 

>> 

>> Did y'all see the latest METEORITE MEN? 

>> Killer Vaca Muerta recovery. Possibly the 

>> Best specimen ever - certainly the best I have seen. 

>> Michael 

>> 

>> 

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