Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[drtanuki]

Shawn,  The event timestamp from the first video is 8:47 CST. I had estimated 
the time at my initial post of the event at 8:45 CST which was nearly correct.  
Please see my website I have added more video.  At least 9 states saw the event 
and I still think that there were AT LEAST 2 bolides see in the Jackson at 
perhaps 3-10 minutes after the initial.  Dirk Ross...Tokyo

http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/01/alabama-video-mississippi-bolide.html


--- On Thu, 1/13/11, Shawn Alan  wrote:

> From: Shawn Alan 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 4:29 PM
> Hello Listers,
>  
>  
> This is exciting news about the 1.11.11 fire ball sighting.
> Now I wonder has any listers been able to determine the time
> of the fall. I have read 8:50pm and also 8:30pm and the
> reports at AMS range from 8:30 to 9:00 pm. Also the
> sightings are all over the board from 6 different states.
> From what I can gather is that the fire ball moved from
> a SE to NW and people in NC heard a boom. Now I have never
> seen a fire ball so I am not sure how they look in the sky
> and move, but for it to be heard in NC from some reports I
> have to assume the more in the eastern side of the sky when
> this event took place the other night? I hope in the next
> few days we can get some reports from people that heard the
> boom and state their location. All I have read in some
> blog posts is that they heard a boom, but they forgot to
> tell the time and their location. I wondering if a
> meteorite comes from this fireball, how far would the
> meteorite be from the boom of the fall?
>  
> Shawn Alan
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> Yeah, sounded pretty impressive at first and was reported
> over a huge area, but as others have noted, it was quite
> short, so ... 
> 
> Robert Woolard 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Meteorites USA  meteoritesusa.com> wrote: 
> 
> 
> > UPDATE: New data added... This is a short duration
> event. Current public video sucks, and no radar yet. Over 30
> sightings on AMS. I've added a map, and the Google Earth KMZ
> file for download for those who want to try this one. 
> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/
> 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Enjoy... 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Regards, 
> 
> > Eric 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA wrote: 
> 
> >> You know, sometimes it's just too good to be
> true... What are the chances a meteorite falls on 1/11/11
> just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show? ;) 
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> We might have our first meteorite fall of 2011.
> Too many reports of fragmentation and sonic booms for it not
> to be. Looks like this might be the real deal. 
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> Here's some quotes from the articles: 
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> "A sonic boom was heard as far north as Western
> North Carolina..." 
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> "...Copiah County Emergency Management Director
> Randle Drane said residents who saw the light and heard a
> subsequent boom called to report what they had seen or
> heard. The majority of those who heard the boom were near
> the town of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal Springs"
> 
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> "...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30 p.m. we began
> receiving calls about a bright flash of light and a boom..."
> 
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> "...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the Pulaski County
> Sheriff's Office received several calls of what looked like
> balls of fire falling from the sky" 
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> "...According to affiliate KFSM, the meteor was
> also sighted in Greenwood, Jonesboro, Jackson, Miss.,
> Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida Panhandle" 
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> Reports still coming in... 
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> Regards, 
> 
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> 
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[meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[Shawn Alan]

Hello Listers,
 
 
This is exciting news about the 1.11.11 fire ball sighting. Now I wonder has 
any listers been able to determine the time of the fall. I have read 8:50pm and 
also 8:30pm and the reports at AMS range from 8:30 to 9:00 pm. Also the 
sightings are all over the board from 6 different states. From what I can 
gather is that the fire ball moved from a SE to NW and people in NC heard a 
boom. Now I have never seen a fire ball so I am not sure how they look in the 
sky and move, but for it to be heard in NC from some reports I have to assume 
the more in the eastern side of the sky when this event took place the other 
night? I hope in the next few days we can get some reports from people that 
heard the boom and state their location. All I have read in some blog posts is 
that they heard a boom, but they forgot to tell the time and their location. I 
wondering if a meteorite comes from this fireball, how far would the meteorite 
be from the boom of the fall?
 
Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
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Yeah, sounded pretty impressive at first and was reported over a huge area, but 
as others have noted, it was quite short, so ... 

Robert Woolard 


Sent from my iPhone 

On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Meteorites USA  wrote: 


> UPDATE: New data added... This is a short duration event. Current public 
> video sucks, and no radar yet. Over 30 sightings on AMS. I've added a map, 
> and the Google Earth KMZ file for download for those who want to try this 
> one. 
> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/
>  

> 

> Enjoy... 

> 

> Regards, 

> Eric 

> 

> 

> 

> On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA wrote: 

>> You know, sometimes it's just too good to be true... What are the chances a 
>> meteorite falls on 1/11/11 just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show? 
>> ;) 

>> 

>> We might have our first meteorite fall of 2011. Too many reports of 
>> fragmentation and sonic booms for it not to be. Looks like this might be the 
>> real deal. 

>> 

>> Here's some quotes from the articles: 

>> 

>> "A sonic boom was heard as far north as Western North Carolina..." 

>> 

>> "...Copiah County Emergency Management Director Randle Drane said residents 
>> who saw the light and heard a subsequent boom called to report what they had 
>> seen or heard. The majority of those who heard the boom were near the town 
>> of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal Springs" 

>> 

>> "...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30 p.m. we began receiving calls about a 
>> bright flash of light and a boom..." 

>> 

>> "...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the Pulaski County Sheriff's Office received 
>> several calls of what looked like balls of fire falling from the sky" 

>> 

>> "...According to affiliate KFSM, the meteor was also sighted in Greenwood, 
>> Jonesboro, Jackson, Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida Panhandle" 

>> 

>> Reports still coming in... 

>> 

>> Regards, 

>> Eric Wichman 

>> Meteorites USA 

>> www.meteoritesusa.com 

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Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[John.L.Cabassi]

G'Day Anne, Dr. Vann, Dr. Ted and List
I have to double that wow. I too have learned a lot today. I'm truly
impressed. I'll be looking at trees now with a different perspective.

Cheers
John
IMCA # 2125

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree


WOW!
 
Thank you Dr. Vann, Dr. Ted, Dolores, everybody, for all the great
posts!
I have learned a lot about trees today!;-)
 
Dr Vann, if I was a little closer to Philadelphia, I would be driving
right 
over to show it to you. Your analysis and interpretation is amazing, and

very helpful. If more pictures could help in any way just say so, I
would be 
delighted to send you some close-ups. And just in case, I posted this
one to 
my site:
_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)  
Please do let me know what you see there.
Thank you very much.
 
And for everybody else, and since some did ask, here is a picture of the

two Sikhote-Alins from the Vernadsky Institute:
_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg) 
Enjoy.
And again, Thanks everybody!
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) 
President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
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In a message dated 1/12/2011 2:09:16 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
drv...@sas.upenn.edu writes:
I would like to add that the picture, as I interpret it, is a tree
*stump*. 
It
is upside-down in Anne's picture. The 'branches' are departing the trunk
in 
the
pattern typical of roots. The age of the tree would be determined based
on 
the
rings in the piece laying on the table. It appears to me that the tree
grew around the SA piece as it lay buried, consequently an age less than
or near 
to
the SA would be expected. There seems to be very little to no disruption
(shattering) of the wood that I can see -only bending as one might see
in a 
root
growing around a rock. Thus, this may have been a fragment that hit
soil, followed by enclosure in the growing tree. If you invert the photo
(it will 
look
more like a tree trunk), the placement of the fragment is below the main

trunk.
A moving piece would have come in on a very low angle to penetrate the
tree 
in
the *apparent* manner. Additionally, I would expect the oxidation
patterns 
for
meteorites that imbedded in wood to be different from that in soil (not 
possible
to evaluate in a photo). At least, there should be iron staining or 
increased
iron in the wood after impact due to natural organic acids in the tree
sap 
as it
repaired the wound. Conversely, a piece in the soil would be enclosed by

roots
similar to way they would enclose rock, and the root would have bark 
covering
the wood at the interface with the fragment at all times, so there would
be 
no
iron staining.
Interpretation is complicated by the fact that a second tree (probably a

second
trunk of the main tree) has grown roots that are interlaced with those
of 
the
larger trunk. If you invert the photo, the pear-shaped form on the right

(with a
circle in the center) is the remnants of the second trunk, which died
and 
fell
away from the tree years ago. The two yellowish ovals are two roots that

were
cut to fell the tree or after felling to better show the fragment. The 
pinkish
area around the fragment is a larger root (that was plunging into the
soil) 
that
was split when the tree was uprooted. This split revealed the fragment.
The split root shows a rotted, hollow area toward the right, which when
combined with the cluster of three smaller roots (under the yellow
ovals), provided a weak point for the split to begin. There is a
crescent-shaped area of bark departing the fragment; this is the
fusion/grafting line between the two 
large
roots that are in the lower left of the (inverted) photo. This provides 
another
point of weakness.
I would love to see this in life, for a better evaluation, but am afraid

that I
cannot make the Tucson show. Someday perhaps.


David R. Vann, Ph.D.
Forest Biogeochemistry and Physiology
Department of Earth and Environmental Science
THE UNIVERSITY of PENNSYLVANIA
240 S. 33rd St.
Philadelphia, PA 19104-6316
drv...@sas.upenn.edu
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FAX: 215-898-0964


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| [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On 
| Behalf Of Dolores Hill
| Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:54 PM
| To: John Birdsell
| Cc: impact...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
| Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
| 
| 
| Dear meteorite-list,
| 
| I cannot resist commenting on this issue.  I have studied
| dendrochrono

Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[Rob Wesel]

Hello all

I picked up Matt Morgan's piece a couple years ago and did have it CT'd. 
Quite striking resolution and a non-destructive way to analyze the ring 
formation. I have not taken the images to any horticulturist to weigh in on 
but I'm willing to make the CT disc available to science for evaluation upon 
request. I was given the source by Matt and have no concerns regarding it's 
authenticity.

http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/catalog/sikhot-tree.htm

Two more tree specimens can be seen here and one of them is headed for CT 
due to purchaser request. I left them up but both are sold. Same source for 
all of these specimens including Anne's.

http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com/catalog/SA.htm

Rob Wesel
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree


Thank you Matt.

And yes, OOoppps.
I did write twice the same link, so here is the real link to the picture of
the 2 Vernadsky Sikhote-Alin.

_http://www.impactika.com/images/2s-alin.jpg_
(http://www.impactika.com/images/2s-alin.jpg)

Sorry!

Anne M. Black
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_IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com)
President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
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In a message dated 1/12/2011 6:26:26 PM Mountain Standard Time,
m...@mhmeteorites.com writes:
I saw Anne's on display at the Denver show and was convinced it was the
real deal. Plus the dealer who had it is an impeccable source and also a
geologist.  I bought one from him a couple of years ago and sold it to 
another
dealer (don't want to drop names) who had it examined by an MRI at a 
well-known
University.  The University, if I recall, said the tree was old enough and
the meteorite did in fact alter the tree growth structure (I.e. It wasn't
hammered into a crack in the tree).  Maybe he can chime in...
Matt

Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

WOW!

Thank you Dr. Vann, Dr. Ted, Dolores, everybody, for all the great posts!
I have learned a lot about trees today!;-)

Dr Vann, if I was a little closer to Philadelphia, I would be driving right
over to show it to you. Your analysis and interpretation is amazing, and
very helpful. If more pictures could help in any way just say so, I would
be
delighted to send you some close-ups. And just in case, I posted this one
to
my site:
_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)
Please do let me know what you see there.
Thank you very much.

And for everybody else, and since some did ask, here is a picture of the
two Sikhote-Alins from the Vernadsky Institute:
_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)
Enjoy.
And again, Thanks everybody!

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
_IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com)
President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)

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[meteorite-list] One of My Orphans

[Larry Atkins]

Hello List,

I have this orphan meteorite in my collection and today I decided to
take it to meet Mr. Saw. I was pleasantly surprised with what I found
inside. I'm wondering if anyone cares to ponder it's classification or
say that it looks like one meteorite or another, maybe jar my memory as
to what it is since I'm not real sure where it came from. Of course 
with no pedigree I'll most likely have to relegate it to the "I dunno" 
category.


I photographed a slice of this under the microscope and it's awesome!  
I put some of those pictures on there too. It's worth a look if you 
like the close up stuff. (Not like Tom Pillips or anything, let's not 
get carried away!)


What's your guess?

http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/mysteryite/

Sincerely,
Larry Atkins
IMCA # 1941
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Re: [meteorite-list] RdDL 067 & RdDL 068 in MetBull #99

[Larry Atkins]

Thanks for the comments and congrat's.

Here's a few pictures of Red Dry Lake 068.

http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/Red%20Dry%20Lake%20Meteorite%20Mohave%20County%20Arizona/


Sincerely,
Larry Atkins
IMCA # 1941
Ebay alienrockfarm


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To: Ruben Garcia ; Robert Verish

Cc: Meteorite List 
Sent: Mon, Jan 10, 2011 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RdDL 067 & RdDL 068 in MetBull #99


Thanks for making these posts, and congrats to Paul and Larry. Great
story,
Ruben.

I've never had the pleasure of hunting with Paul, but I can attest to
Larry's
pure determination! His wild enthusiasm is contagious out in the
(strewn)field.
( He almost started to do handstands when he found his first Mifflin
stone, and
probably would have, if he hadn't already logged so many miles that
day. ) Very
enjoyable person to hunt with.

Good luck, guys, on future finds!

Sincerely,
Robert Woolard


--- On Mon, 1/10/11, Robert Verish  wrote:

> From: Robert Verish 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RdDL 067 & RdDL 068 in MetBull #99
> To: "Ruben Garcia" 
> Cc: "Meteorite List" 
> Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 6:55 PM
> Hi Ruben,
> That definitely IS a "funny" story because it had a happy
> ending.
> (No doubt, Paul was happier the 2nd time he found his
> meteorite ;-)
>
> Thanks for sharing another one or your many
> meteorite-hunting anecdotes.  Paul's success at Red
> Lake is one of those examples of a very talented
> metal-detectorists having no trouble making the transition
> to drylake hunting by eyeball-only.  That's because the
> better hunters, like Paul, hunt with their eyes AND ears
> while listening to their metal detector.
>
> Larry Atkins is another hunter that can be included in that
> group.  I'm sure the story of his find is equally
> interesting, because Larry, never one to be out-done, went
> OFF of the dry lake to find his meteorite!
> Another example of "hunt where no one else would go" like
> when he made his massive Holbrook find.
>
> So many great stories...
> Bob V.
>
> --- On Mon, 1/10/11, Ruben Garcia 
> wrote:
>
> > From: Ruben Garcia 
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] RdDL 067 & RdDL 068
> in MetBull #99
> > To: "Robert Verish" 
> > Cc: "Meteorite List" 
> > Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 2:33 PM
> > Thanks for mentioning this Bob!
> >
> > Believe it or not, this was Pauls very first find by
> sight
> > alone. It was kinda funny how it happened
> >
> > I had just met him (and friend Mike Morgan) at Red
> Lake
> > intending to show them how to find meteorites by sight
> alone.
> > After just a few minutes of searching Paul walked over
> with this
> > little beauty and
> > said, " Ruben, would you look at this, I doubt it is a
> meteorite."
> >
> >  I replied, "You have got to be kidding!"
> >
> > Paul misinterpreted what I said and assumed that he
> was
> > somehow being ridiculous with his first attempt.
> Feeling frustated,
> > he quickly snatched it from my hand and drop kicked it
> as far as he
> > could.
> >
> > I screamed, NO PAUL, It's a meteorite!
> >
> > After, retrieving the stone he was very happy, and now
> to
> > have it classified I'm sure he it doubly so!
> >
> > Congrats, to Larry Atkins too! (I had nothing to do
> with
> > his find, He is very good!)
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Robert Verish

> > wrote:
> > > Congratulations, are in order for
> meteorite-hunters
> > > Paul Desilets of southern California, and Larry
> Atkins of Michigan
> > > for getting their Red Dry Lake finds into the
> > Meteoritical Bulletin:
> > > Red Dry Lake 067 and Red Dry Lake 068,
> respectively.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Good job,
> > > Bob V.
> > >
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[Impactika]

Hello Richard,
 
I am not tall, but I am glad to know that my reputation is!;-)
 
I don't have a very good answer for you, but let me try a couple comments:
First, we all know that Sikhote-Alin is quite rust-resistant.
Also, whomever cut that tree down and found the S-A went thru a lot of work 
and effort to cut away a good chunk of the tree to expose that S-A, and he 
also scrubbed the tree very well, it looks polished. I would guess that he 
also made some efforts to make the S-A look good by scrubbing away whatever 
rust was on it. But take a good look at the close-up picture I just posted, I 
believe there is a bit of rust and rust-stain around it and deep in that 
hollow. 
 
Does that help?
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) 
President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
 
In a message dated 1/12/2011 7:56:13 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
rickm...@earthlink.net writes:
Hi Anne and Listoids...I don't and won't doubt Anne's integrity, as she and 
her reputation stand tall.  I'm curious, though, and Anne you will have the 
most insight on this:  how is it that the shrap specimen isn't 
original-rusty?

Richard Montgomery


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: ; 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree


> WOW!
>
> Thank you Dr. Vann, Dr. Ted, Dolores, everybody, for all the great posts!
> I have learned a lot about trees today!;-)
>
> Dr Vann, if I was a little closer to Philadelphia, I would be driving 
> right
> over to show it to you. Your analysis and interpretation is amazing, and
> very helpful. If more pictures could help in any way just say so, I would 
> be
> delighted to send you some close-ups. And just in case, I posted this one 
> to
> my site:
> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_
> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)
> Please do let me know what you see there.
> Thank you very much.
>
> And for everybody else, and since some did ask, here is a picture of the
> two Sikhote-Alins from the Vernadsky Institute:
> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_
> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)
> Enjoy.
> And again, Thanks everybody!
>
> Anne M. Black
> _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
> _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com)
> President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)
>
>
> In a message dated 1/12/2011 2:09:16 PM Mountain Standard Time,
> drv...@sas.upenn.edu writes:
> I would like to add that the picture, as I interpret it, is a tree 
> *stump*.
> It
> is upside-down in Anne's picture. The 'branches' are departing the trunk 
> in
> the
> pattern typical of roots. The age of the tree would be determined based on
> the
> rings in the piece laying on the table. It appears to me that the tree 
> grew
> around the SA piece as it lay buried, consequently an age less than or 
> near
> to
> the SA would be expected. There seems to be very little to no disruption
> (shattering) of the wood that I can see -only bending as one might see in 
> a
> root
> growing around a rock. Thus, this may have been a fragment that hit soil,
> followed by enclosure in the growing tree. If you invert the photo (it 
> will
> look
> more like a tree trunk), the placement of the fragment is below the main
> trunk.
> A moving piece would have come in on a very low angle to penetrate the 
> tree
> in
> the *apparent* manner. Additionally, I would expect the oxidation patterns
> for
> meteorites that imbedded in wood to be different from that in soil (not
> possible
> to evaluate in a photo). At least, there should be iron staining or
> increased
> iron in the wood after impact due to natural organic acids in the tree sap
> as it
> repaired the wound. Conversely, a piece in the soil would be enclosed by
> roots
> similar to way they would enclose rock, and the root would have bark
> covering
> the wood at the interface with the fragment at all times, so there would 
> be
> no
> iron staining.
> Interpretation is complicated by the fact that a second tree (probably a
> second
> trunk of the main tree) has grown roots that are interlaced with those of
> the
> larger trunk. If you invert the photo, the pear-shaped form on the right
> (with a
> circle in the center) is the remnants of the second trunk, which died and
> fell
> away from the tree years ago. The two yellowish ovals are two roots that
> were
> cut to fell the tree or after felling to better show the fragment. The
> pinkish
> area around the fragment is a larger root (that was plunging into the 
> soil)
> that
> was split when the tree was uprooted. This split revealed the fragment. 
> The
> split root shows a rotted, hollow area toward the right, which when 
> combined
> with the cluster of three smaller roots (under the yellow ovals), 
provided 
> a
> weak point for the split to begin. There is a cr

Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[Richard Montgomery]

Hi Anne and Listoids...I don't and won't doubt Anne's integrity, as she and 
her reputation stand tall.  I'm curious, though, and Anne you will have the 
most insight on this:  how is it that the shrap specimen isn't 
original-rusty?


Richard Montgomery


- Original Message - 
From: 

To: ; 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree



WOW!

Thank you Dr. Vann, Dr. Ted, Dolores, everybody, for all the great posts!
I have learned a lot about trees today!;-)

Dr Vann, if I was a little closer to Philadelphia, I would be driving 
right

over to show it to you. Your analysis and interpretation is amazing, and
very helpful. If more pictures could help in any way just say so, I would 
be
delighted to send you some close-ups. And just in case, I posted this one 
to

my site:
_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)
Please do let me know what you see there.
Thank you very much.

And for everybody else, and since some did ask, here is a picture of the
two Sikhote-Alins from the Vernadsky Institute:
_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)
Enjoy.
And again, Thanks everybody!

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/)
_impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com)
President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/)


In a message dated 1/12/2011 2:09:16 PM Mountain Standard Time,
drv...@sas.upenn.edu writes:
I would like to add that the picture, as I interpret it, is a tree 
*stump*.

It
is upside-down in Anne's picture. The 'branches' are departing the trunk 
in

the
pattern typical of roots. The age of the tree would be determined based on
the
rings in the piece laying on the table. It appears to me that the tree 
grew
around the SA piece as it lay buried, consequently an age less than or 
near

to
the SA would be expected. There seems to be very little to no disruption
(shattering) of the wood that I can see -only bending as one might see in 
a

root
growing around a rock. Thus, this may have been a fragment that hit soil,
followed by enclosure in the growing tree. If you invert the photo (it 
will

look
more like a tree trunk), the placement of the fragment is below the main
trunk.
A moving piece would have come in on a very low angle to penetrate the 
tree

in
the *apparent* manner. Additionally, I would expect the oxidation patterns
for
meteorites that imbedded in wood to be different from that in soil (not
possible
to evaluate in a photo). At least, there should be iron staining or
increased
iron in the wood after impact due to natural organic acids in the tree sap
as it
repaired the wound. Conversely, a piece in the soil would be enclosed by
roots
similar to way they would enclose rock, and the root would have bark
covering
the wood at the interface with the fragment at all times, so there would 
be

no
iron staining.
Interpretation is complicated by the fact that a second tree (probably a
second
trunk of the main tree) has grown roots that are interlaced with those of
the
larger trunk. If you invert the photo, the pear-shaped form on the right
(with a
circle in the center) is the remnants of the second trunk, which died and
fell
away from the tree years ago. The two yellowish ovals are two roots that
were
cut to fell the tree or after felling to better show the fragment. The
pinkish
area around the fragment is a larger root (that was plunging into the 
soil)

that
was split when the tree was uprooted. This split revealed the fragment. 
The
split root shows a rotted, hollow area toward the right, which when 
combined
with the cluster of three smaller roots (under the yellow ovals), provided 
a

weak point for the split to begin. There is a crescent-shaped area of bark
departing the fragment; this is the fusion/grafting line between the two
large
roots that are in the lower left of the (inverted) photo. This provides
another
point of weakness.
I would love to see this in life, for a better evaluation, but am afraid
that I
cannot make the Tucson show. Someday perhaps.


David R. Vann, Ph.D.
Forest Biogeochemistry and Physiology
Department of Earth and Environmental Science
THE UNIVERSITY of PENNSYLVANIA
240 S. 33rd St.
Philadelphia, PA 19104-6316
drv...@sas.upenn.edu
office: 215-898-4906
FAX: 215-898-0964


| -Original Message-
| From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
| [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
| Behalf Of Dolores Hill
| Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:54 PM
| To: John Birdsell
| Cc: impact...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
| Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
|
|
| Dear meteorite-list,
|
| I cannot resist commenting on this issue.  I have studied
| dendrochronology and I am very familiar with the UA Tree-Ring Lab
| (LTRR).  It is much more complicated than one might realize.  In
| addition to "number of t

Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[Impactika]

Thank you Matt.
 
And yes, OOoppps.
I did write twice the same link, so here is the real link to the picture of 
the 2 Vernadsky Sikhote-Alin.
 
_http://www.impactika.com/images/2s-alin.jpg_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/images/2s-alin.jpg) 
 
Sorry!
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) 
President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/12/2011 6:26:26 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
m...@mhmeteorites.com writes:
I saw Anne's on display at the Denver show and was convinced it was the 
real deal. Plus the dealer who had it is an impeccable source and also a 
geologist.  I bought one from him a couple of years ago and sold it to another 
dealer (don't want to drop names) who had it examined by an MRI at a well-known 
University.  The University, if I recall, said the tree was old enough and 
the meteorite did in fact alter the tree growth structure (I.e. It wasn't 
hammered into a crack in the tree).  Maybe he can chime in...
Matt

Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215

-Original Message-
From: impact...@aol.com
Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:04:10 
To: ; 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

WOW!

Thank you Dr. Vann, Dr. Ted, Dolores, everybody, for all the great posts!
I have learned a lot about trees today!;-)

Dr Vann, if I was a little closer to Philadelphia, I would be driving right 
over to show it to you. Your analysis and interpretation is amazing, and 
very helpful. If more pictures could help in any way just say so, I would 
be 
delighted to send you some close-ups. And just in case, I posted this one 
to 
my site:
_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)  
Please do let me know what you see there.
Thank you very much.

And for everybody else, and since some did ask, here is a picture of the 
two Sikhote-Alins from the Vernadsky Institute:
_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg) 
Enjoy.
And again, Thanks everybody!

Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) 
President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 

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Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[mail]

I saw Anne's on display at the Denver show and was convinced it was the real 
deal. Plus the dealer who had it is an impeccable source and also a geologist.  
I bought one from him a couple of years ago and sold it to another dealer 
(don't want to drop names) who had it examined by an MRI at a well-known 
University.  The University, if I recall, said the tree was old enough and the 
meteorite did in fact alter the tree growth structure (I.e. It wasn't hammered 
into a crack in the tree).  Maybe he can chime in...
Matt

Matt Morgan
Mile High Meteorites
http://www.mhmeteorites.com
P.O. Box 151293
Lakewood, CO 80215

-Original Message-
From: impact...@aol.com
Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 20:04:10 
To: ; 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

WOW!
 
Thank you Dr. Vann, Dr. Ted, Dolores, everybody, for all the great posts!
I have learned a lot about trees today!;-)
 
Dr Vann, if I was a little closer to Philadelphia, I would be driving right 
over to show it to you. Your analysis and interpretation is amazing, and 
very helpful. If more pictures could help in any way just say so, I would be 
delighted to send you some close-ups. And just in case, I posted this one to 
my site:
_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)  
Please do let me know what you see there.
Thank you very much.
 
And for everybody else, and since some did ask, here is a picture of the 
two Sikhote-Alins from the Vernadsky Institute:
_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg) 
Enjoy.
And again, Thanks everybody!
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) 
President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
 
 
In a message dated 1/12/2011 2:09:16 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
drv...@sas.upenn.edu writes:
I would like to add that the picture, as I interpret it, is a tree *stump*. 
It
is upside-down in Anne's picture. The 'branches' are departing the trunk in 
the
pattern typical of roots. The age of the tree would be determined based on 
the
rings in the piece laying on the table. It appears to me that the tree grew
around the SA piece as it lay buried, consequently an age less than or near 
to
the SA would be expected. There seems to be very little to no disruption
(shattering) of the wood that I can see -only bending as one might see in a 
root
growing around a rock. Thus, this may have been a fragment that hit soil,
followed by enclosure in the growing tree. If you invert the photo (it will 
look
more like a tree trunk), the placement of the fragment is below the main 
trunk.
A moving piece would have come in on a very low angle to penetrate the tree 
in
the *apparent* manner. Additionally, I would expect the oxidation patterns 
for
meteorites that imbedded in wood to be different from that in soil (not 
possible
to evaluate in a photo). At least, there should be iron staining or 
increased
iron in the wood after impact due to natural organic acids in the tree sap 
as it
repaired the wound. Conversely, a piece in the soil would be enclosed by 
roots
similar to way they would enclose rock, and the root would have bark 
covering
the wood at the interface with the fragment at all times, so there would be 
no
iron staining.
Interpretation is complicated by the fact that a second tree (probably a 
second
trunk of the main tree) has grown roots that are interlaced with those of 
the
larger trunk. If you invert the photo, the pear-shaped form on the right 
(with a
circle in the center) is the remnants of the second trunk, which died and 
fell
away from the tree years ago. The two yellowish ovals are two roots that 
were
cut to fell the tree or after felling to better show the fragment. The 
pinkish
area around the fragment is a larger root (that was plunging into the soil) 
that
was split when the tree was uprooted. This split revealed the fragment. The
split root shows a rotted, hollow area toward the right, which when combined
with the cluster of three smaller roots (under the yellow ovals), provided a
weak point for the split to begin. There is a crescent-shaped area of bark
departing the fragment; this is the fusion/grafting line between the two 
large
roots that are in the lower left of the (inverted) photo. This provides 
another
point of weakness.
I would love to see this in life, for a better evaluation, but am afraid 
that I
cannot make the Tucson show. Someday perhaps.


David R. Vann, Ph.D.
Forest Biogeochemistry and Physiology
Department of Earth and Environmental Science
THE UNIVERSITY of PENNSYLVANIA
240 S. 33rd St.
Philadelphia, PA 19104-6316
drv...@sas.upenn.edu
office: 215-898-4906
FAX: 215-898-0964


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| [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]

Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[Dave Myers]

Hi Eric, and list

I take alot of storm photos in south-west Ohio, and the local guys at the NWS- 
Wilmington Ohio, will send me radar images of my storm photos,(date-time of my 
photos) months later. So I would think if anyone contacted the NWS in a city in 
the southern States they will do the same, for this meteor image?

Here is a example of what I have taken of storms and the radar images that they 
sent me, months later! I hope it works in the south for someone getting 
meteorite data.



http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=25502&id=10209843157&l=3ae06f2885
 
 
 
Good luck to all!
 
 
 
dave myers



















 


- Original Message 
From: Meteorites USA 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 6:37:58 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 
2011

Sucks that the radar is unreadable. Maybe someone will step up and say 
their car was smashed by a North American Lunar meteorite. Could you 
imagine? We can hope... ;)

Just a heads up for those still holding out hope, more Fireball reports 
have been made on AMS: 
http://www.amsmeteors.org/fireball2/public.php?start_date=2011-01-01&end_date=2011-12-31


Articles about the fireball: 
http://news.google.com/news/more?q=fireball&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGLL_en___US360&um=1&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dw2iJm6DIXQC3OMzlaYaeruc0jPmM&ei=KzIuTYzGM5S6sQOGoMnqBg&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=7&ved=0CFkQqgIwBg


Perhaps someone will come forward with some better quality video footage 
other than bright flashes.

Regards,
Eric

On 1/12/2011 1:52 PM, Marc Fries wrote:
> Here's the NOAA site with all the data:
>
> http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/nexradinv/
>
>
> And here's NOAA's free radar image viewing software:
>
> http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/wct/
>
> There's a FAQ and instructions and what-not in there as well.  It's worth the 
>read - there is a fairly extensive learning curve to working with radar data.
>
> Cheers,
> Marc Fries
>
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:43 PM, R. Chastain wrote:
>
>    
>> Thanks for the info.
>> I will check out the NOAA site.
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Fries  wrote:
>>
>>      
>>> From: Marc Fries
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall 
>>> of 
>>>2011
>>> To: "R. Chastain"
>>> Cc: "Meteorite-list List"
>>> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 4:36 PM
>>> Depending on the radar, the data can
>>> go back as far as 1992.  All of it is publicly
>>> available through the NOAA website - your tax dollars at
>>> work, as they say.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Marc Fries
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 12:57 PM, R. Chastain wrote:
>>>
>>>        
 Hi,
 I have a question about radar data in general.
 How far back is radar data archived? A few
          
>>> weeks/days/years??
>>>        
 Thanks,
 Rod


 --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Fries
          
>>> wrote:
>>>        
          
> From: Marc Fries
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball:
>            
>>> Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011
>>>        
> To: "Meteorite-list List"
> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 3:09 PM
> Howdy, all
>
>      I've received a bunch of
>            
>>> requests for
>>>        
> radar data so I'll just answer them all
>            
>>> here...  I
>>>        
> pulled all the radar data down last night and did
>            
>>> a perusal
>>>        
> for fall signatures.  I didn't see anything
>            
>>> terribly
>>>        
> obvious but eyewitness reports were not very
>            
>>> specific at the
>>>        
> time. I'm out of town working today but will sit
>            
>>> down with
>>>        
> the radar data (and much better eyewitness
>            
>>> reports!) tonight
>>>        
> and see what I can find.  I'll post the
>            
>>> results to my
>>>        
> blog so everyone can see them.
>
> Cheers,
> Marc Fries
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Meteorites USA
>            
>>> wrote:
>>>        
>            
>> Hey Robert, a short duration Fireball doesn't
>>              
>>> really
>>>        
> mean much with regard to whether meteorites are on
>            
>>> the
>>>        
> ground as evidenced by the Whetstone Mountains
>            
>>> meteorite
>>>        
> fall. The question on this one is whether there
>            
>>> was
>>>        
> fragmentation, and if there is video of that
>            
>>> fragmentation.
>>>        
> Fragmentation has been reported by many eye
>            
>>> witnesses. A
>>>        
> good sign is that sonic booms were heard as well,
>            
>>> and quote
>>>        
> "houses were rattled". Though not definitive it's
>            
>>> a very
>>>        
> good piece of the puzzle.
>           

Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[Impactika]

WOW!
 
Thank you Dr. Vann, Dr. Ted, Dolores, everybody, for all the great posts!
I have learned a lot about trees today!;-)
 
Dr Vann, if I was a little closer to Philadelphia, I would be driving right 
over to show it to you. Your analysis and interpretation is amazing, and 
very helpful. If more pictures could help in any way just say so, I would be 
delighted to send you some close-ups. And just in case, I posted this one to 
my site:
_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)  
Please do let me know what you see there.
Thank you very much.
 
And for everybody else, and since some did ask, here is a picture of the 
two Sikhote-Alins from the Vernadsky Institute:
_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg) 
Enjoy.
And again, Thanks everybody!
 
Anne M. Black
_http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) 
_impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) 
President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
_http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) 
 
 
In a message dated 1/12/2011 2:09:16 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
drv...@sas.upenn.edu writes:
I would like to add that the picture, as I interpret it, is a tree *stump*. 
It
is upside-down in Anne's picture. The 'branches' are departing the trunk in 
the
pattern typical of roots. The age of the tree would be determined based on 
the
rings in the piece laying on the table. It appears to me that the tree grew
around the SA piece as it lay buried, consequently an age less than or near 
to
the SA would be expected. There seems to be very little to no disruption
(shattering) of the wood that I can see -only bending as one might see in a 
root
growing around a rock. Thus, this may have been a fragment that hit soil,
followed by enclosure in the growing tree. If you invert the photo (it will 
look
more like a tree trunk), the placement of the fragment is below the main 
trunk.
A moving piece would have come in on a very low angle to penetrate the tree 
in
the *apparent* manner. Additionally, I would expect the oxidation patterns 
for
meteorites that imbedded in wood to be different from that in soil (not 
possible
to evaluate in a photo). At least, there should be iron staining or 
increased
iron in the wood after impact due to natural organic acids in the tree sap 
as it
repaired the wound. Conversely, a piece in the soil would be enclosed by 
roots
similar to way they would enclose rock, and the root would have bark 
covering
the wood at the interface with the fragment at all times, so there would be 
no
iron staining.
Interpretation is complicated by the fact that a second tree (probably a 
second
trunk of the main tree) has grown roots that are interlaced with those of 
the
larger trunk. If you invert the photo, the pear-shaped form on the right 
(with a
circle in the center) is the remnants of the second trunk, which died and 
fell
away from the tree years ago. The two yellowish ovals are two roots that 
were
cut to fell the tree or after felling to better show the fragment. The 
pinkish
area around the fragment is a larger root (that was plunging into the soil) 
that
was split when the tree was uprooted. This split revealed the fragment. The
split root shows a rotted, hollow area toward the right, which when combined
with the cluster of three smaller roots (under the yellow ovals), provided a
weak point for the split to begin. There is a crescent-shaped area of bark
departing the fragment; this is the fusion/grafting line between the two 
large
roots that are in the lower left of the (inverted) photo. This provides 
another
point of weakness.
I would love to see this in life, for a better evaluation, but am afraid 
that I
cannot make the Tucson show. Someday perhaps.


David R. Vann, Ph.D.
Forest Biogeochemistry and Physiology
Department of Earth and Environmental Science
THE UNIVERSITY of PENNSYLVANIA
240 S. 33rd St.
Philadelphia, PA 19104-6316
drv...@sas.upenn.edu
office: 215-898-4906
FAX: 215-898-0964


| -Original Message-
| From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com 
| [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On 
| Behalf Of Dolores Hill
| Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:54 PM
| To: John Birdsell
| Cc: impact...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
| Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
| 
| 
| Dear meteorite-list,
| 
| I cannot resist commenting on this issue.  I have studied 
| dendrochronology and I am very familiar with the UA Tree-Ring Lab 
| (LTRR).  It is much more complicated than one might realize.  In 
| addition to "number of tree-rings/years," the growth _/pattern/_ is 
| extremely important in cross-dating a tree sample according to a 
| particular regional "chronology."  Depending on the species and/or 
| environmental conditions, there may even be "missing rings or double 
| rings."  The number of rings also depends on when the tree 
| first started 
| growing and when it died (naturally or was 

[meteorite-list] NASA Radar Reveals Features on Asteroid 2010 JL33

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-011  

NASA Radar Reveals Features on Asteroid
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
January 11, 2011

Radar imaging at NASA's Goldstone Solar System Radar in the California
desert on Dec. 11 and 12, 2010, revealed defining characteristics of
recently discovered asteroid 2010 JL33. The images have been made into a
short movie that shows the celestial object's rotation and shape. A team
led by Marina Brozovic, a scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory
in Pasadena, Calif., made the discovery.

"Asteroid 2010 JL33 was discovered on May 6 by the Mount Lemmon Survey
in Arizona, but prior to the radar observations, little was known about
it," said Lance Benner, a scientist at JPL. "By using the Goldstone
Solar System Radar, we can obtain detailed images that reveal the
asteroid's size, shape and rotational rate, improve its orbit, and even
make out specific surface features."

Data from the radar reveal 2010 JL33 to be an irregular, elongated
object roughly 1.8 kilometers (1.1 miles) wide that rotates once every
nine hours. The asteroid's most conspicuous feature is a large concavity
that may be an impact crater. The images in the movie span about 90
percent of one rotation.

At the time it was imaged, the asteroid was about 22 times the distance
between Earth and the moon (8.5 million kilometers, or 5.3 million
miles). At that distance, the radio signals from the Goldstone radar
dish used to make the images took 56 seconds to make the roundtrip from
Earth to the asteroid and back to Earth again.

The 70-meter (230-foot) Goldstone antenna in California's Mojave Desert,
part of NASA's Deep Space network, is one of only two facilities capable
of imaging asteroids with radar. The other is the National Science
Foundation’s 1,000-foot-diameter (305 meters) Arecibo Observatory in
Puerto Rico. The capabilities of the two instruments are complementary.
The Arecibo radar is about 20 times more sensitive, can see about
one-third of the sky, and can detect asteroids about twice as far away.
Goldstone is fully steerable, can see about 80 percent of the sky, can
track objects several times longer per day, and can image asteroids at
finer spatial resolution. To date, Goldstone and Arecibo have observed
272 near-Earth asteroids and 14 comets with radar. JPL manages the
Goldstone Solar System Radar and the Deep Space Network for NASA.

More information about asteroid radar research is at:
http://echo.jpl.nasa.gov/ .

More information about the Deep Space Network is at:
http://deepspace.jpl.nasa.gov/dsn .

DC Agle (818) 393-9011
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
a...@jpl.nasa.gov

2011-011

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[meteorite-list] NASA To Preview February Comet Encounter (Stardust-NExT)

[Ron Baalke]

Jan. 12, 2011

Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington  
202-358-1726 
dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov 

DC Agle 
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 
818-393-9011 
a...@jpl.nasa.gov   


MEDIA ADVISORY: M11-006

NASA TO PREVIEW FEBRUARY COMET ENCOUNTER

WASHINGTON -- NASA will hold a news briefing at 1 p.m. EST on 
Wednesday, Jan. 19, to discuss the Feb. 14 Stardust-NExT mission 
flyby of comet Tempel 1. The encounter will mark the first time 
scientists can look for changes on a comet's surface caused by a 
close flyby of the sun. 

The news conference will be in the James E. Webb Auditorium at NASA 
Headquarters at 300 E St. SW in Washington. It will be broadcast live 
on NASA Television and streamed on the agency's website. 

The briefing participants are: 

-- Joe Veverka, Stardust-NExT principal investigator, Cornell 
University, Ithaca, N.Y. 
-- Tim Larson, Stardust-NExT project manager, Jet Propulsion 
Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 
-- Pete Schultz, Stardust-NExT co-investigator, Brown University, 
Providence, R.I. 
-- Steve Chesley, Stardust-NExT co-investigator, Jet Propulsion 
Laboratory, Pasadena 

Media representatives unable to attend in person may ask questions 
from participating NASA locations or by telephone. For dial-in 
information, journalists must send their name, affiliation and 
telephone number to Steve Cole at stephen.e.c...@nasa.gov or call 
202-358-0918 by 11 a.m. Jan. 19. 

For NASA TV streaming video and downlink information, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv 

For more information about NASA's Stardust-NExt mission, visit: 

http://www.stardustnext.jpl.nasa.gov   

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Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[Steve Dunklee]

Did they try the Texarcana and Littlerock radars? The descriptions I read it 
had to fall north of Littlerock between Calico Rock and Marshall. And if they 
are looking after 8:30 they have the wrong time. The mountains would hide the 
meteorite so sombody on 67 headed north would only see the sky glow. Cheers 
Steve


  
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[meteorite-list] Possible 1-11-11 meteor and radar help

[Robert Woolard]

Marc and Rob,

  Thanks so much to both you guys for looking into this possible fall so 
quickly, especially you, Marc for taking the time to do it even though you were 
working out of town. I'm sure we all wish the radar info was more promising at 
this point, but if anyone can pull something out of this, it'll be you two 
guys! 

  Sincerely,
  Robert Woolard





  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[Meteorites USA]

Sucks that the radar is unreadable. Maybe someone will step up and say 
their car was smashed by a North American Lunar meteorite. Could you 
imagine? We can hope... ;)


Just a heads up for those still holding out hope, more Fireball reports 
have been made on AMS: 
http://www.amsmeteors.org/fireball2/public.php?start_date=2011-01-01&end_date=2011-12-31


Articles about the fireball: 
http://news.google.com/news/more?q=fireball&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGLL_en___US360&um=1&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dw2iJm6DIXQC3OMzlaYaeruc0jPmM&ei=KzIuTYzGM5S6sQOGoMnqBg&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=7&ved=0CFkQqgIwBg


Perhaps someone will come forward with some better quality video footage 
other than bright flashes.


Regards,
Eric

On 1/12/2011 1:52 PM, Marc Fries wrote:

Here's the NOAA site with all the data:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/nexradinv/


And here's NOAA's free radar image viewing software:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/wct/

There's a FAQ and instructions and what-not in there as well.  It's worth the 
read - there is a fairly extensive learning curve to working with radar data.

Cheers,
Marc Fries



On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:43 PM, R. Chastain wrote:

   

Thanks for the info.
I will check out the NOAA site.

Rod

--- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Fries  wrote:

 

From: Marc Fries
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 
2011
To: "R. Chastain"
Cc: "Meteorite-list List"
Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 4:36 PM
Depending on the radar, the data can
go back as far as 1992.  All of it is publicly
available through the NOAA website - your tax dollars at
work, as they say.

Cheers,
Marc Fries

On Jan 12, 2011, at 12:57 PM, R. Chastain wrote:

   

Hi,
I have a question about radar data in general.
How far back is radar data archived? A few
 

weeks/days/years??
   

Thanks,
Rod


--- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Fries
 

wrote:
   
 

From: Marc Fries
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball:
   

Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011
   

To: "Meteorite-list List"
Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 3:09 PM
Howdy, all

  I've received a bunch of
   

requests for
   

radar data so I'll just answer them all
   

here...  I
   

pulled all the radar data down last night and did
   

a perusal
   

for fall signatures.  I didn't see anything
   

terribly
   

obvious but eyewitness reports were not very
   

specific at the
   

time. I'm out of town working today but will sit
   

down with
   

the radar data (and much better eyewitness
   

reports!) tonight
   

and see what I can find.  I'll post the
   

results to my
   

blog so everyone can see them.

Cheers,
Marc Fries


On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Meteorites USA
   

wrote:
   
   

Hey Robert, a short duration Fireball doesn't
 

really
   

mean much with regard to whether meteorites are on
   

the
   

ground as evidenced by the Whetstone Mountains
   

meteorite
   

fall. The question on this one is whether there
   

was
   

fragmentation, and if there is video of that
   

fragmentation.
   

Fragmentation has been reported by many eye
   

witnesses. A
   

good sign is that sonic booms were heard as well,
   

and quote
   

"houses were rattled". Though not definitive it's
   

a very
   

good piece of the puzzle.
   

Regards,
Eric



On 1/12/2011 10:25 AM, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com
 

wrote:
   

Yeah, sounded pretty impressive at first
   

and was
   

reported over a  huge area, but as others
   

have noted,
   

it was quite short, so ...
   

Robert Woolard


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Meteorites
   

USA

   

wrote:
   


   

UPDATE: New data added... This is a
 

short
   

duration event. Current public video sucks, and no
   

radar
   

yet. Over 30 sightings on AMS. I've added a map,
   

and the
   

Google Earth KMZ file for download for those who
   

want to try
   

this one. 
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/
   

Enjoy...

Regards,
Eric



On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA
 

wrote:
   


 

You know, sometimes it's just too
   

good to
   

be true... What are the chances a meteorite falls
   

on 1/11/11
   

just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show?
   

;)
   

We might have our first meteorite
   

fall of
   

2011. Too many reports of fragmentation and sonic
   

booms for
   

it not to be. Looks like this might be the real
   

deal.
   

Re: [meteorite-list] 11 January 2011 SE US fall

[Matson, Robert D.]

Hi All,

I wish anyone luck trying to find this SE US fall in radar data.
The level-II data is unreadable for most of the radars that
were close to this fall, so you will be stuck dealing with the
tedium of finding it in level-III data (just like for the PA
fall on 28 December 2010). The level-III data isn't out yet --
perhaps later today...  --Rob

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Marc
Fries
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:52 PM
To: R. Chastain
Cc: Meteorite-list List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite
Fallof 2011

Here's the NOAA site with all the data:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/nexradinv/


And here's NOAA's free radar image viewing software:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/wct/

There's a FAQ and instructions and what-not in there as well.  It's
worth the read - there is a fairly extensive learning curve to working
with radar data.

Cheers,
Marc Fries
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[meteorite-list] Rocks-Paper-Scissors - AD

[Greg Hupe]

Dear List Members,

During the Holidays about a month ago, I tried something fun in order to 
offer a

few select meteorites, including a new Lunar that had never been offered
publicly. Here is how this special works:

Rocks - I have several great 'meteorites' listed below.
Paper - Make me a 'cash' offer, and if acceptable...
Scissors - ... I will 'cut' you a great deal!

NOTE: I have removed the items from the original list that have already been 
sold and shipped.


NEW!! - Shisr 161 Lunar - Fragmental Breccia (TKW 57.2g, unpaired)
* This is the first time this meteorite has been offered publicly, in fact
only one part slice has been sold to a particular Lunatic friend overseas.
** These are the only specimens that will be offered. I am presenting these
for the owner, Best Offer over reserve (Please email for reserve).
Randy's Lunar web site entry:
http://www.meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/shisr161.htm
4.37g complete slice
55mm x 23mm x 2mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/12-16-2010/shisr161slice_4_370.jpg
~1mg two specks
in 30mm Gem Jar
http://www.lunarrock.com/12-16-2010/shisr161_1mg.jpg

NWA 4468 Primitive Martian
11.3g part slice (Largest available)(crust along ~50% edge)
41mm x 37mm x 2.5mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa4468/dsc00021.jpg

NWA 3163 Lunar Granulite
45.2g complete slice (Largest available)(crust along ~30% edge)
104mm x 55mm x 3mm (Polished BOTH sides!!)
1) front http://www.lunarrock.com/12-16-2010/nwa3163_45_2a.jpg
2) back http://www.lunarrock.com/12-16-2010/nwa3163_45_2b.jpg

NWA 5480 Olivine Diogenite
168.3g complete Slice (Largest available)
122mm x 119mm x 4mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa5480/large/dsc5.jpg

NWA 5480 Olivine Diogenite
87.9g part End Cut
56mm x 58mm x 13mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/nwa5480/endcutprepared/dsc1.jpg

NWA 4932 Lunar Feldspathic Impact-Melt Breccia (Unpaired)(Low TKW)
2.812g Complete Slice
44mm x 20mm x 2mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4932/dsc9.jpg
Randy's web site: http://www.meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa4932.htm

Glorieta Individuals:
58g Pallasite (Large crystal, has some flow lines and lip-over):
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc1.jpg
37.1g Pallasite (Several crystals w/ mostly original crust!):
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc3.jpg
22.5g Pallasite (Many crystals, difficult to photograph):
http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc7.jpg
26.7g Siderite: http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00019.jpg
16.2g Siderite: http://www.lunarrock.com/ebay/glorieta10-2-2008/dsc00021.jpg

NWA 3171 Martian Shergottite (Last Piece!)
1.51g Part Slice
25mm x 13mm x 2mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/12-16-2010/nwa3171.jpg

Ocate, NM IAB Iron
162.8g Complete Slice (Last slice left!)
117mm x 62mm x 4mm
http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/specimens/dsc9.jpg
Meteoritical Bulletin entry:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=ocate&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normal%20table&code=48976

Ocate, NM IAB Iron
910g End Cut (1 of 2 Pieces left)
117mm x 51mm x 60mm at widest points
front http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/specimens/nm910a.jpg
back http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/specimens/nm910b.jpg
another view http://www.lunarrock.com/ocate/specimens/nm910c.jpg

Oum Dreyga (Amgala) H3-5 Chondrite
136.6g End Cut (nice candidate for cutting)
65mm x 60mm x 20mm
front1 http://www.lunarrock.com/12-16-2010/oumdreyga1.jpg
front2 http://www.lunarrock.com/12-16-2010/oumdreyga2.jpg
back http://www.lunarrock.com/12-16-2010/oumdreyga3.jpg

NWA 4446 CV3 (Never offered publicly)
73g Individual w/ Huge CAI
48mm x 35mm x 30mm (CAI is 15mm x 14mm)
side1 http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4446/nwa4446a.jpg
side2 http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4446/nwa4446b.jpg
Close-up of CAI http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4446/nwa4446cai.jpg

NWA 4446 CV3 (Never offered publicly)
49.3g Complete Slice
http://www.lunarrock.com/12-16-2010/dsc1.jpg

NWA 4446 CV3 MAIN MASS (Never offered publicly)
2203g Individual (Awesome!)
http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa4446/nwa4446_2203g.jpg

NWA 1879 Mesosiderite (Only 2 pieces left!)
1) 63g Complete Slice 91mm x 60mm x 2-4mm (slight wedge cut):
http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa1879/dsc2.jpg
2) 186g End Cut 80mm x 70mm x 13mm:
http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa1879/dsc1.jpg

Tagish Lake Ungrouped Carbonaceous Kits
1) 50mg Kit: http://www.lunarrock.com/tagishlake/TagishLakeKit_50mg.jpg
2) 100mg Kit: http://www.lunarrock.com/tagishlake/TagishLakeKit_100mg.jpg

Carbonaceous Chondrite (unclassified) (SALE PENDING)
1325g Individual w/ Huge CAI
128mm x 95mm x 50mm (CAI measures 20mm x 15mm!!!)
view1 http://www.lunarrock.com/Carbonaceous1325g/dsc1.jpg
view2 http://www.lunarrock.com/Carbonaceous1325g/dsc2.jpg
view3 http://www.lunarrock.com/Carbonaceous1325g/dsc3.jpg
view4 http://www.lunarrock.com/Carbonaceous1325g/dsc4.jpg
Ted Bunch stated in October, 2008:
"Greg - probably one of the 

Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[Marc Fries]

Here's the NOAA site with all the data:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/nexradinv/


And here's NOAA's free radar image viewing software:

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/wct/

There's a FAQ and instructions and what-not in there as well.  It's worth the 
read - there is a fairly extensive learning curve to working with radar data.

Cheers,
Marc Fries



On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:43 PM, R. Chastain wrote:

> Thanks for the info.
> I will check out the NOAA site.
> 
> Rod
> 
> --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Fries  wrote:
> 
>> From: Marc Fries 
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall 
>> of 2011
>> To: "R. Chastain" 
>> Cc: "Meteorite-list List" 
>> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 4:36 PM
>> Depending on the radar, the data can
>> go back as far as 1992.  All of it is publicly
>> available through the NOAA website - your tax dollars at
>> work, as they say.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Marc Fries
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 12:57 PM, R. Chastain wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I have a question about radar data in general.
>>> How far back is radar data archived? A few
>> weeks/days/years??
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rod
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Fries 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 From: Marc Fries 
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball:
>> Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011
 To: "Meteorite-list List" 
 Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 3:09 PM
 Howdy, all
 
  I've received a bunch of
>> requests for
 radar data so I'll just answer them all
>> here...  I
 pulled all the radar data down last night and did
>> a perusal
 for fall signatures.  I didn't see anything
>> terribly
 obvious but eyewitness reports were not very
>> specific at the
 time. I'm out of town working today but will sit
>> down with
 the radar data (and much better eyewitness
>> reports!) tonight
 and see what I can find.  I'll post the
>> results to my
 blog so everyone can see them.
 
 Cheers,
 Marc Fries
 
 
 On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Meteorites USA
>> wrote:
 
> Hey Robert, a short duration Fireball doesn't
>> really
 mean much with regard to whether meteorites are on
>> the
 ground as evidenced by the Whetstone Mountains
>> meteorite
 fall. The question on this one is whether there
>> was
 fragmentation, and if there is video of that
>> fragmentation.
 Fragmentation has been reported by many eye
>> witnesses. A
 good sign is that sonic booms were heard as well,
>> and quote
 "houses were rattled". Though not definitive it's
>> a very
 good piece of the puzzle.
> 
> Regards,
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/12/2011 10:25 AM, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
>> Yeah, sounded pretty impressive at first
>> and was
 reported over a  huge area, but as others
>> have noted,
 it was quite short, so ...
>> 
>> Robert Woolard
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Meteorites
>> USA
>> 
 wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> UPDATE: New data added... This is a
>> short
 duration event. Current public video sucks, and no
>> radar
 yet. Over 30 sightings on AMS. I've added a map,
>> and the
 Google Earth KMZ file for download for those who
>> want to try
 this one. 
 http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/
>>> 
>>> Enjoy...
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Eric
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA
>> wrote:
>>>   
 You know, sometimes it's just too
>> good to
 be true... What are the chances a meteorite falls
>> on 1/11/11
 just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show?
>> ;)
 
 We might have our first meteorite
>> fall of
 2011. Too many reports of fragmentation and sonic
>> booms for
 it not to be. Looks like this might be the real
>> deal.
 
 Here's some quotes from the
>> articles:
 
 "A sonic boom was heard as far
>> north as
 Western North Carolina..."
 
 "...Copiah County Emergency
>> Management
 Director Randle Drane said residents who saw the
>> light and
 heard a subsequent boom called to report what they
>> had seen
 or heard. The majority of those who heard the boom
>> were near
 the town of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal
>> Springs"
 
 "...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30
>> p.m. we
 began receiving calls about a bright flash of
>> light and a
 boom..."
 
 "...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the
>> Pulaski
 County Sheriff's Office received several calls of
>> what
 looked like balls of fire falling from the
>> sky"
 
 "...According to affiliate KFSM,
>> the
 meteor was also sighted in Greenwood, Jonesboro,
>> Jackson,
 Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida
>> Panhandle"
 
 Reports still coming in...
>>

Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[Dave Myers]

Hi List,

Some one on hear gave me a link last year, from the NWS, where all national 
radar data is kept for 5 days,

You just type in the city, date and time and you get that radar image. I saved 
it some where but can't find it right now.
maybe someone still has it. Will keep looking. Data after the 5 days can still 
be gotten But is harder to get.

Dave Myers



- Original Message 
From: Marc Fries 
To: R. Chastain 
Cc: Meteorite-list List 
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 4:36:15 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 
2011

Depending on the radar, the data can go back as far as 1992.  All of it is 
publicly available through the NOAA website - your tax dollars at work, as they 
say.

Cheers,
Marc Fries

On Jan 12, 2011, at 12:57 PM, R. Chastain wrote:

> Hi,
> I have a question about radar data in general.
> How far back is radar data archived? A few weeks/days/years??
> 
> Thanks,
> Rod
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Fries  wrote:
> 
>> From: Marc Fries 
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall 
>> of 
>>2011
>> To: "Meteorite-list List" 
>> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 3:09 PM
>> Howdy, all
>> 
>>    I've received a bunch of requests for
>> radar data so I'll just answer them all here...  I
>> pulled all the radar data down last night and did a perusal
>> for fall signatures.  I didn't see anything terribly
>> obvious but eyewitness reports were not very specific at the
>> time. I'm out of town working today but will sit down with
>> the radar data (and much better eyewitness reports!) tonight
>> and see what I can find.  I'll post the results to my
>> blog so everyone can see them.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Marc Fries
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Meteorites USA wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Robert, a short duration Fireball doesn't really
>> mean much with regard to whether meteorites are on the
>> ground as evidenced by the Whetstone Mountains meteorite
>> fall. The question on this one is whether there was
>> fragmentation, and if there is video of that fragmentation.
>> Fragmentation has been reported by many eye witnesses. A
>> good sign is that sonic booms were heard as well, and quote
>> "houses were rattled". Though not definitive it's a very
>> good piece of the puzzle.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Eric
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/12/2011 10:25 AM, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com
>> wrote:
 Yeah, sounded pretty impressive at first and was
>> reported over a  huge area, but as others have noted,
>> it was quite short, so ...
 
 Robert Woolard
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Meteorites USA 
>> wrote:
 
    
> UPDATE: New data added... This is a short
>> duration event. Current public video sucks, and no radar
>> yet. Over 30 sightings on AMS. I've added a map, and the
>> Google Earth KMZ file for download for those who want to try
>> this one. 
>>http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/
> 
> Enjoy...
> 
> Regards,
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA wrote:
>      
>> You know, sometimes it's just too good to
>> be true... What are the chances a meteorite falls on 1/11/11
>> just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show? ;)
>> 
>> We might have our first meteorite fall of
>> 2011. Too many reports of fragmentation and sonic booms for
>> it not to be. Looks like this might be the real deal.
>> 
>> Here's some quotes from the articles:
>> 
>> "A sonic boom was heard as far north as
>> Western North Carolina..."
>> 
>> "...Copiah County Emergency Management
>> Director Randle Drane said residents who saw the light and
>> heard a subsequent boom called to report what they had seen
>> or heard. The majority of those who heard the boom were near
>> the town of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal Springs"
>> 
>> "...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30 p.m. we
>> began receiving calls about a bright flash of light and a
>> boom..."
>> 
>> "...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the Pulaski
>> County Sheriff's Office received several calls of what
>> looked like balls of fire falling from the sky"
>> 
>> "...According to affiliate KFSM, the
>> meteor was also sighted in Greenwood, Jonesboro, Jackson,
>> Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida Panhandle"
>> 
>> Reports still coming in...
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Eric Wichman
>> Meteorites USA
>> www.meteoritesusa.com
>> 
>> __
>> Visit the Archives at 
>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> 
>>        
> 
>> __
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>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/m

Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[R. Chastain]

Thanks for the info.
I will check out the NOAA site.

Rod

--- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Fries  wrote:

> From: Marc Fries 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 
> 2011
> To: "R. Chastain" 
> Cc: "Meteorite-list List" 
> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 4:36 PM
> Depending on the radar, the data can
> go back as far as 1992.  All of it is publicly
> available through the NOAA website - your tax dollars at
> work, as they say.
> 
> Cheers,
> Marc Fries
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 12:57 PM, R. Chastain wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > I have a question about radar data in general.
> > How far back is radar data archived? A few
> weeks/days/years??
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Rod
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Fries 
> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: Marc Fries 
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball:
> Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011
> >> To: "Meteorite-list List" 
> >> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 3:09 PM
> >> Howdy, all
> >> 
> >>     I've received a bunch of
> requests for
> >> radar data so I'll just answer them all
> here...  I
> >> pulled all the radar data down last night and did
> a perusal
> >> for fall signatures.  I didn't see anything
> terribly
> >> obvious but eyewitness reports were not very
> specific at the
> >> time. I'm out of town working today but will sit
> down with
> >> the radar data (and much better eyewitness
> reports!) tonight
> >> and see what I can find.  I'll post the
> results to my
> >> blog so everyone can see them.
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> Marc Fries
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Meteorites USA
> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hey Robert, a short duration Fireball doesn't
> really
> >> mean much with regard to whether meteorites are on
> the
> >> ground as evidenced by the Whetstone Mountains
> meteorite
> >> fall. The question on this one is whether there
> was
> >> fragmentation, and if there is video of that
> fragmentation.
> >> Fragmentation has been reported by many eye
> witnesses. A
> >> good sign is that sonic booms were heard as well,
> and quote
> >> "houses were rattled". Though not definitive it's
> a very
> >> good piece of the puzzle.
> >>> 
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Eric
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On 1/12/2011 10:25 AM, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com
> >> wrote:
>  Yeah, sounded pretty impressive at first
> and was
> >> reported over a  huge area, but as others
> have noted,
> >> it was quite short, so ...
>  
>  Robert Woolard
>  
>  
>  Sent from my iPhone
>  
>  On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Meteorites
> USA
> 
> >> wrote:
>  
>     
> > UPDATE: New data added... This is a
> short
> >> duration event. Current public video sucks, and no
> radar
> >> yet. Over 30 sightings on AMS. I've added a map,
> and the
> >> Google Earth KMZ file for download for those who
> want to try
> >> this one. 
> >> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/
> > 
> > Enjoy...
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Eric
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA
> wrote:
> >      
> >> You know, sometimes it's just too
> good to
> >> be true... What are the chances a meteorite falls
> on 1/11/11
> >> just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show?
> ;)
> >> 
> >> We might have our first meteorite
> fall of
> >> 2011. Too many reports of fragmentation and sonic
> booms for
> >> it not to be. Looks like this might be the real
> deal.
> >> 
> >> Here's some quotes from the
> articles:
> >> 
> >> "A sonic boom was heard as far
> north as
> >> Western North Carolina..."
> >> 
> >> "...Copiah County Emergency
> Management
> >> Director Randle Drane said residents who saw the
> light and
> >> heard a subsequent boom called to report what they
> had seen
> >> or heard. The majority of those who heard the boom
> were near
> >> the town of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal
> Springs"
> >> 
> >> "...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30
> p.m. we
> >> began receiving calls about a bright flash of
> light and a
> >> boom..."
> >> 
> >> "...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the
> Pulaski
> >> County Sheriff's Office received several calls of
> what
> >> looked like balls of fire falling from the
> sky"
> >> 
> >> "...According to affiliate KFSM,
> the
> >> meteor was also sighted in Greenwood, Jonesboro,
> Jackson,
> >> Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida
> Panhandle"
> >> 
> >> Reports still coming in...
> >> 
> >> Regards,
> >> Eric Wichman
> >> Meteorites USA
> >> www.meteoritesusa.com
> >> 
> >> __
> >> Visit the Archives at 
> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
> >> Meteorite-list mailing list
> >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
> >> 
> >>        
> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[Marc Fries]

Depending on the radar, the data can go back as far as 1992.  All of it is 
publicly available through the NOAA website - your tax dollars at work, as they 
say.

Cheers,
Marc Fries

On Jan 12, 2011, at 12:57 PM, R. Chastain wrote:

> Hi,
> I have a question about radar data in general.
> How far back is radar data archived? A few weeks/days/years??
> 
> Thanks,
> Rod
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Fries  wrote:
> 
>> From: Marc Fries 
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall 
>> of 2011
>> To: "Meteorite-list List" 
>> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 3:09 PM
>> Howdy, all
>> 
>> I've received a bunch of requests for
>> radar data so I'll just answer them all here...  I
>> pulled all the radar data down last night and did a perusal
>> for fall signatures.  I didn't see anything terribly
>> obvious but eyewitness reports were not very specific at the
>> time. I'm out of town working today but will sit down with
>> the radar data (and much better eyewitness reports!) tonight
>> and see what I can find.  I'll post the results to my
>> blog so everyone can see them.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Marc Fries
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Meteorites USA wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Robert, a short duration Fireball doesn't really
>> mean much with regard to whether meteorites are on the
>> ground as evidenced by the Whetstone Mountains meteorite
>> fall. The question on this one is whether there was
>> fragmentation, and if there is video of that fragmentation.
>> Fragmentation has been reported by many eye witnesses. A
>> good sign is that sonic booms were heard as well, and quote
>> "houses were rattled". Though not definitive it's a very
>> good piece of the puzzle.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Eric
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/12/2011 10:25 AM, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com
>> wrote:
 Yeah, sounded pretty impressive at first and was
>> reported over a  huge area, but as others have noted,
>> it was quite short, so ...
 
 Robert Woolard
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Meteorites USA 
>> wrote:
 

> UPDATE: New data added... This is a short
>> duration event. Current public video sucks, and no radar
>> yet. Over 30 sightings on AMS. I've added a map, and the
>> Google Earth KMZ file for download for those who want to try
>> this one. 
>> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/
> 
> Enjoy...
> 
> Regards,
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA wrote:
>  
>> You know, sometimes it's just too good to
>> be true... What are the chances a meteorite falls on 1/11/11
>> just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show? ;)
>> 
>> We might have our first meteorite fall of
>> 2011. Too many reports of fragmentation and sonic booms for
>> it not to be. Looks like this might be the real deal.
>> 
>> Here's some quotes from the articles:
>> 
>> "A sonic boom was heard as far north as
>> Western North Carolina..."
>> 
>> "...Copiah County Emergency Management
>> Director Randle Drane said residents who saw the light and
>> heard a subsequent boom called to report what they had seen
>> or heard. The majority of those who heard the boom were near
>> the town of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal Springs"
>> 
>> "...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30 p.m. we
>> began receiving calls about a bright flash of light and a
>> boom..."
>> 
>> "...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the Pulaski
>> County Sheriff's Office received several calls of what
>> looked like balls of fire falling from the sky"
>> 
>> "...According to affiliate KFSM, the
>> meteor was also sighted in Greenwood, Jonesboro, Jackson,
>> Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida Panhandle"
>> 
>> Reports still coming in...
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Eric Wichman
>> Meteorites USA
>> www.meteoritesusa.com
>> 
>> __
>> Visit the Archives at 
>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
>> Meteorite-list mailing list
>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>> 
>>
> 
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> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
>  

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Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[John Birdsell]

Good call David!  Now that you mention it, those do look more like roots to me 
than branches. 



-John




- Original Message 
From: David R. Vann 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 1:54:32 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree


I would like to add that the picture, as I interpret it, is a tree *stump*. It
is upside-down in Anne's picture. The 'branches' are departing the trunk in the
pattern typical of roots. The age of the tree would be determined based on the
rings in the piece laying on the table. It appears to me that the tree grew
around the SA piece as it lay buried, consequently an age less than or near to
the SA would be expected. There seems to be very little to no disruption
(shattering) of the wood that I can see -only bending as one might see in a root
growing around a rock. Thus, this may have been a fragment that hit soil,
followed by enclosure in the growing tree. If you invert the photo (it will look
more like a tree trunk), the placement of the fragment is below the main trunk.
A moving piece would have come in on a very low angle to penetrate the tree in
the *apparent* manner. Additionally, I would expect the oxidation patterns for
meteorites that imbedded in wood to be different from that in soil (not possible
to evaluate in a photo). At least, there should be iron staining or increased
iron in the wood after impact due to natural organic acids in the tree sap as it
repaired the wound. Conversely, a piece in the soil would be enclosed by roots
similar to way they would enclose rock, and the root would have bark covering
the wood at the interface with the fragment at all times, so there would be no
iron staining.
Interpretation is complicated by the fact that a second tree (probably a second
trunk of the main tree) has grown roots that are interlaced with those of the
larger trunk. If you invert the photo, the pear-shaped form on the right (with a
circle in the center) is the remnants of the second trunk, which died and fell
away from the tree years ago. The two yellowish ovals are two roots that were
cut to fell the tree or after felling to better show the fragment. The pinkish
area around the fragment is a larger root (that was plunging into the soil) that
was split when the tree was uprooted. This split revealed the fragment. The
split root shows a rotted, hollow area toward the right, which when combined
with the cluster of three smaller roots (under the yellow ovals), provided a
weak point for the split to begin. There is a crescent-shaped area of bark
departing the fragment; this is the fusion/grafting line between the two large
roots that are in the lower left of the (inverted) photo. This provides another
point of weakness.
I would love to see this in life, for a better evaluation, but am afraid that I
cannot make the Tucson show. Someday perhaps.





David R. Vann, Ph.D.
Forest Biogeochemistry and Physiology
Department of Earth and Environmental Science
THE UNIVERSITY of PENNSYLVANIA
240 S. 33rd St.
Philadelphia, PA 19104-6316
drv...@sas.upenn.edu
office: 215-898-4906
FAX: 215-898-0964


| -Original Message-
| From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com 
| [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On 
| Behalf Of Dolores Hill
| Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:54 PM
| To: John Birdsell
| Cc: impact...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
| Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
| 
| 
| Dear meteorite-list,
| 
| I cannot resist commenting on this issue.  I have studied 
| dendrochronology and I am very familiar with the UA Tree-Ring Lab 
| (LTRR).  It is much more complicated than one might realize.  In 
| addition to "number of tree-rings/years," the growth _/pattern/_ is 
| extremely important in cross-dating a tree sample according to a 
| particular regional "chronology."  Depending on the species and/or 
| environmental conditions, there may even be "missing rings or double 
| rings."  The number of rings also depends on when the tree 
| first started 
| growing and when it died (naturally or was cut down) or was 
| sampled by 
| increment core. 
| 
| I have seen fascinating photos of supposed Sikhote-Alin 
| meteorites stuck 
| in trees and invited the owners to allow LTRR experts to 
| examine them.  
| So far the owners seem to get cold feet.  LTRR has scientists and 
| visiting researchers who have first-hand experience with 
| Russian trees 
| and forests.  They are happy to provide assistance: 
| http://ltrr.arizona.edu/ If authentic, the samples might aid 
| studies of biological effects of meteorite impacts.  It would 
| be best if 
| the original location of the tree is known; another case for careful 
| documentation.
| 
| Regards,
| Dolores Hill
| Lunar & Planetary Laboratory
| University of Arizona
| 
| 
| John Birdsell wrote:
| > Hi Tedgood point. If a tree branch was collected many, 
| many years 
| > ago, it
| > could have f

Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[David R. Vann]

I would like to add that the picture, as I interpret it, is a tree *stump*. It
is upside-down in Anne's picture. The 'branches' are departing the trunk in the
pattern typical of roots. The age of the tree would be determined based on the
rings in the piece laying on the table. It appears to me that the tree grew
around the SA piece as it lay buried, consequently an age less than or near to
the SA would be expected. There seems to be very little to no disruption
(shattering) of the wood that I can see -only bending as one might see in a root
growing around a rock. Thus, this may have been a fragment that hit soil,
followed by enclosure in the growing tree. If you invert the photo (it will look
more like a tree trunk), the placement of the fragment is below the main trunk.
A moving piece would have come in on a very low angle to penetrate the tree in
the *apparent* manner. Additionally, I would expect the oxidation patterns for
meteorites that imbedded in wood to be different from that in soil (not possible
to evaluate in a photo). At least, there should be iron staining or increased
iron in the wood after impact due to natural organic acids in the tree sap as it
repaired the wound. Conversely, a piece in the soil would be enclosed by roots
similar to way they would enclose rock, and the root would have bark covering
the wood at the interface with the fragment at all times, so there would be no
iron staining.
Interpretation is complicated by the fact that a second tree (probably a second
trunk of the main tree) has grown roots that are interlaced with those of the
larger trunk. If you invert the photo, the pear-shaped form on the right (with a
circle in the center) is the remnants of the second trunk, which died and fell
away from the tree years ago. The two yellowish ovals are two roots that were
cut to fell the tree or after felling to better show the fragment. The pinkish
area around the fragment is a larger root (that was plunging into the soil) that
was split when the tree was uprooted. This split revealed the fragment. The
split root shows a rotted, hollow area toward the right, which when combined
with the cluster of three smaller roots (under the yellow ovals), provided a
weak point for the split to begin. There is a crescent-shaped area of bark
departing the fragment; this is the fusion/grafting line between the two large
roots that are in the lower left of the (inverted) photo. This provides another
point of weakness.
I would love to see this in life, for a better evaluation, but am afraid that I
cannot make the Tucson show. Someday perhaps.





David R. Vann, Ph.D.
Forest Biogeochemistry and Physiology
Department of Earth and Environmental Science
THE UNIVERSITY of PENNSYLVANIA
240 S. 33rd St.
Philadelphia, PA 19104-6316
drv...@sas.upenn.edu
office: 215-898-4906
FAX: 215-898-0964


| -Original Message-
| From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com 
| [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On 
| Behalf Of Dolores Hill
| Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:54 PM
| To: John Birdsell
| Cc: impact...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
| Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
| 
| 
| Dear meteorite-list,
| 
| I cannot resist commenting on this issue.  I have studied 
| dendrochronology and I am very familiar with the UA Tree-Ring Lab 
| (LTRR).  It is much more complicated than one might realize.  In 
| addition to "number of tree-rings/years," the growth _/pattern/_ is 
| extremely important in cross-dating a tree sample according to a 
| particular regional "chronology."  Depending on the species and/or 
| environmental conditions, there may even be "missing rings or double 
| rings."  The number of rings also depends on when the tree 
| first started 
| growing and when it died (naturally or was cut down) or was 
| sampled by 
| increment core. 
| 
| I have seen fascinating photos of supposed Sikhote-Alin 
| meteorites stuck 
| in trees and invited the owners to allow LTRR experts to 
| examine them.  
| So far the owners seem to get cold feet.  LTRR has scientists and 
| visiting researchers who have first-hand experience with 
| Russian trees 
| and forests.  They are happy to provide assistance: 
| http://ltrr.arizona.edu/ If authentic, the samples might aid 
| studies of biological effects of meteorite impacts.  It would 
| be best if 
| the original location of the tree is known; another case for careful 
| documentation.
| 
| Regards,
| Dolores Hill
| Lunar & Planetary Laboratory
| University of Arizona
| 
| 
| John Birdsell wrote:
| > Hi Tedgood point. If a tree branch was collected many, 
| many years 
| > ago, it
| > could have fewer growth rings, and might also be expected 
| to show some signs of 
| > its age. 
| >
| >
| > -J
| >
| > I have seen three specimens that exceed 80 years and 
| several that are 
| > too
| > young, so be careful. A Russian dealer friend of mine says 
| that all of the 
| > genuine specimens w

Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[R. Chastain]

Hi,
I have a question about radar data in general.
How far back is radar data archived? A few weeks/days/years??

Thanks,
Rod


--- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Fries  wrote:

> From: Marc Fries 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 
> 2011
> To: "Meteorite-list List" 
> Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 3:09 PM
> Howdy, all
> 
>     I've received a bunch of requests for
> radar data so I'll just answer them all here...  I
> pulled all the radar data down last night and did a perusal
> for fall signatures.  I didn't see anything terribly
> obvious but eyewitness reports were not very specific at the
> time. I'm out of town working today but will sit down with
> the radar data (and much better eyewitness reports!) tonight
> and see what I can find.  I'll post the results to my
> blog so everyone can see them.
> 
> Cheers,
> Marc Fries
> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Meteorites USA wrote:
> 
> > Hey Robert, a short duration Fireball doesn't really
> mean much with regard to whether meteorites are on the
> ground as evidenced by the Whetstone Mountains meteorite
> fall. The question on this one is whether there was
> fragmentation, and if there is video of that fragmentation.
> Fragmentation has been reported by many eye witnesses. A
> good sign is that sonic booms were heard as well, and quote
> "houses were rattled". Though not definitive it's a very
> good piece of the puzzle.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Eric
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 1/12/2011 10:25 AM, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com
> wrote:
> >> Yeah, sounded pretty impressive at first and was
> reported over a  huge area, but as others have noted,
> it was quite short, so ...
> >> 
> >> Robert Woolard
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >> On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Meteorites USA 
> wrote:
> >> 
> >>   
> >>> UPDATE: New data added... This is a short
> duration event. Current public video sucks, and no radar
> yet. Over 30 sightings on AMS. I've added a map, and the
> Google Earth KMZ file for download for those who want to try
> this one. 
> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/
> >>> 
> >>> Enjoy...
> >>> 
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Eric
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA wrote:
> >>>     
>  You know, sometimes it's just too good to
> be true... What are the chances a meteorite falls on 1/11/11
> just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show? ;)
>  
>  We might have our first meteorite fall of
> 2011. Too many reports of fragmentation and sonic booms for
> it not to be. Looks like this might be the real deal.
>  
>  Here's some quotes from the articles:
>  
>  "A sonic boom was heard as far north as
> Western North Carolina..."
>  
>  "...Copiah County Emergency Management
> Director Randle Drane said residents who saw the light and
> heard a subsequent boom called to report what they had seen
> or heard. The majority of those who heard the boom were near
> the town of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal Springs"
>  
>  "...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30 p.m. we
> began receiving calls about a bright flash of light and a
> boom..."
>  
>  "...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the Pulaski
> County Sheriff's Office received several calls of what
> looked like balls of fire falling from the sky"
>  
>  "...According to affiliate KFSM, the
> meteor was also sighted in Greenwood, Jonesboro, Jackson,
> Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida Panhandle"
>  
>  Reports still coming in...
>  
>  Regards,
>  Eric Wichman
>  Meteorites USA
>  www.meteoritesusa.com
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[Marc Fries]

Howdy, all

I've received a bunch of requests for radar data so I'll just answer 
them all here...  I pulled all the radar data down last night and did a perusal 
for fall signatures.  I didn't see anything terribly obvious but eyewitness 
reports were not very specific at the time. I'm out of town working today but 
will sit down with the radar data (and much better eyewitness reports!) tonight 
and see what I can find.  I'll post the results to my blog so everyone can see 
them.

Cheers,
Marc Fries


On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Meteorites USA wrote:

> Hey Robert, a short duration Fireball doesn't really mean much with regard to 
> whether meteorites are on the ground as evidenced by the Whetstone Mountains 
> meteorite fall. The question on this one is whether there was fragmentation, 
> and if there is video of that fragmentation. Fragmentation has been reported 
> by many eye witnesses. A good sign is that sonic booms were heard as well, 
> and quote "houses were rattled". Though not definitive it's a very good piece 
> of the puzzle.
> 
> Regards,
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/12/2011 10:25 AM, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Yeah, sounded pretty impressive at first and was reported over a  huge area, 
>> but as others have noted, it was quite short, so ...
>> 
>> Robert Woolard
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Meteorites USA  wrote:
>> 
>>   
>>> UPDATE: New data added... This is a short duration event. Current public 
>>> video sucks, and no radar yet. Over 30 sightings on AMS. I've added a map, 
>>> and the Google Earth KMZ file for download for those who want to try this 
>>> one. 
>>> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/
>>> 
>>> Enjoy...
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Eric
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA wrote:
>>> 
 You know, sometimes it's just too good to be true... What are the chances 
 a meteorite falls on 1/11/11 just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson 
 show? ;)
 
 We might have our first meteorite fall of 2011. Too many reports of 
 fragmentation and sonic booms for it not to be. Looks like this might be 
 the real deal.
 
 Here's some quotes from the articles:
 
 "A sonic boom was heard as far north as Western North Carolina..."
 
 "...Copiah County Emergency Management Director Randle Drane said 
 residents who saw the light and heard a subsequent boom called to report 
 what they had seen or heard. The majority of those who heard the boom were 
 near the town of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal Springs"
 
 "...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30 p.m. we began receiving calls about a 
 bright flash of light and a boom..."
 
 "...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the Pulaski County Sheriff's Office received 
 several calls of what looked like balls of fire falling from the sky"
 
 "...According to affiliate KFSM, the meteor was also sighted in Greenwood, 
 Jonesboro, Jackson, Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida Panhandle"
 
 Reports still coming in...
 
 Regards,
 Eric Wichman
 Meteorites USA
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[Chris Spratt]

What species of trees were struck anyway?

Chris. Spratt
Victoria, BC

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Re: [meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction!

[Chris Spratt]

Seems to have disappeared into the EBay vortex.

This listing (120670664523) has been removed, or this item is not available.

Chris. Spratt
Victoria, BC
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[Pete Pete]

Hi, all,
 
 
With all this talk of S/A's in trees, any noobs not already aware should check 
out an amazing documentary video, 
which includes some shots of tree impacts (with thanks to Serge and Jeff)
 
http://www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/sikhote-alin.html
http://www.meteorites.com.au/odds&ends/sikhote-alin.html
 

Cheers,
Pete

> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:42:24 -0700
> From: tbe...@cableone.net
> To: johnbirds...@yahoo.com; dar...@dof3.com; impact...@aol.com
> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
>
> I have seen three specimens that exceed 80 years and several that are too
> young, so be careful. A Russian dealer friend of mine says that all of the
> genuine specimens were gathered years ago, but some may have been kept for
> future sale as we know the Arab dealers do with meteorites.
>
> Be careful out there.
>
> Ted Bunch
>
>
> On 1/12/11 10:25 AM, "John Birdsell" wrote:
>
> > One year's growth should be represented by a light colored early growth band
> > AND
> > a dark colored late growth band...
> >
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrochronology
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message 
> > From: John Birdsell 
> > To: Darryl Pitt ; impact...@aol.com
> > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:04:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
> >
> > Count the annual growth rings in the base of the branchif a tree was 
> > alive
> > in 1947 there should be more than 64.
> >
> >
> > -J
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message 
> > From: Darryl Pitt 
> > To: impact...@aol.com
> > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 8:35:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > While I am not challenging the integrity of Anne's specimen, there is
> > something
> > I should share: about a decade ago I was informed by an unimpeachable source
> > as
> >
> > to the existence of what is basically a nursery outside of Vladivostok where
> > SAs
> >
> > have been wedged into the knots and the forked limbs of a rapidly growing
> > specie
> >
> > of tree for later "harvest." I was informed that branches are frequently
> > bound
> > around the meteorite to assist in the embedment. I saw one such example and
> > it
> > was...impressive.
> >
> >
> > Little scary, right?
> >
> > In an effort that provides a faster turnaround, I was recently informed
> > lightning rods are being inserted into strategic locations in Saharan sands 
> > in
> > the effort to produce and harvest flared saharite---the beautifully flanged
> > Saharan fulgurites.
> >
> >
> > Certainly less scary as there is no effort to deceive. Clever, 
> > actually---and
> > yet bothersome as well.
> >
> >
> > d,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:23 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> Since Michael Blood mentionned Sikhote-Alins embedded in trees in his
> >> latest "Market Trends" article, and warned everybody against them. And 
> >> since
> >> I
> >
> >
> >> have received a few questions about the one I aquired a few months ago, let
> >> me
> >
> >
> >> try to set the record straight:
> >>
> >> First, here are 2 pictures, the whole thing, and a close-up:
> >>
> >> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg_
> >> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg)
> >>
> >> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_
> >> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)
> >>
> >> It is much bigger than any I have seen before, and the Sikhote-Alin is
> >> truly inside the tree.
> >> And a member who happens to be an hoticulturist looked at the pictures and
> >> wrote: "Looks pretty real to me Anne! It probably impailed itself into the
> >> tree and then the tree grew around it, which explains the "bark" around 
> >> it".
> >> (Thank you Craig!)
> >> Also I counted the rings, not easy, but there are at least 45. And I trust
> >> the Russian dealer I bought it from.
> >> So, yes I believe that it is the real/authentic deal, not a scam.
> >>
> >> And if you want to have a better look at it, it will be in my room in
> >> Tucson (Hotel Tucson City Center, Formerly InnSuites, Room 322).
> >> Speaking of Sikhote-Alin, you will also see there two Sikhote-Alins in "as
> >> found" condition that I obtained from the Vernadsky Institute. Yes, with 
> >> all
> >> the paperwork!
> >>
> >> See you all there very soon.
> >>
> >> Anne M. Black
> >> http://www.impactika.com/
> >> impact...@aol.com
> >> President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> >> http://www.imca.cc/
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[Dolores Hill]

Dear meteorite-list,

I cannot resist commenting on this issue.  I have studied 
dendrochronology and I am very familiar with the UA Tree-Ring Lab 
(LTRR).  It is much more complicated than one might realize.  In 
addition to "number of tree-rings/years," the growth _/pattern/_ is 
extremely important in cross-dating a tree sample according to a 
particular regional "chronology."  Depending on the species and/or 
environmental conditions, there may even be "missing rings or double 
rings."  The number of rings also depends on when the tree first started 
growing and when it died (naturally or was cut down) or was sampled by 
increment core. 

I have seen fascinating photos of supposed Sikhote-Alin meteorites stuck 
in trees and invited the owners to allow LTRR experts to examine them.  
So far the owners seem to get cold feet.  LTRR has scientists and 
visiting researchers who have first-hand experience with Russian trees 
and forests.  They are happy to provide assistance: 
http://ltrr.arizona.edu/ If authentic, the samples might aid 
studies of biological effects of meteorite impacts.  It would be best if 
the original location of the tree is known; another case for careful 
documentation.


Regards,
Dolores Hill
Lunar & Planetary Laboratory
University of Arizona


John Birdsell wrote:
Hi Tedgood point. If a tree branch was collected many, many years ago, it 
could have fewer growth rings, and might also be expected to show some signs of 
its age. 



-J

I have seen three specimens that exceed 80 years and several that are too 
young, so be careful. A Russian dealer friend of mine says that all of the 
genuine specimens were gathered years ago, but some may have been kept for 
future sale as we know the Arab dealers do with meteorites. 

Be careful out there. 

Ted Bunch 




- Original Message 
From: John Birdsell 
To: John Birdsell ; Darryl Pitt ; 
impact...@aol.com

Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:25:22 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

One year's growth should be represented by a light colored early growth band AND 


a dark colored late growth band...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrochronology





- Original Message 
From: John Birdsell 
To: Darryl Pitt ; impact...@aol.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:04:33 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

Count the annual growth rings in the base of the branchif a tree was alive 
in 1947 there should be more than 64.



-J





- Original Message 
From: Darryl Pitt 
To: impact...@aol.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 8:35:15 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree


Hi, 

While I am not challenging the integrity of Anne's specimen, there is something 
I should share:  about a decade ago I was informed by an unimpeachable source as 



to the existence of what is basically a nursery outside of Vladivostok where SAs 



have been wedged into the knots and the forked limbs of a rapidly growing specie 



of tree for later "harvest."  I was informed that branches are frequently bound 
around the meteorite to assist in the embedment.  I saw one such example and it 
was...impressive.  



Little scary, right?

In an effort that provides a faster turnaround, I was recently informed 
lightning rods are being inserted into strategic locations in Saharan sands in 
the effort to produce and harvest flared saharite---the beautifully flanged 
Saharan fulgurites. 



Certainly less scary as there is no effort to deceive.  Clever, actually---and 
yet bothersome as well. 



d,








On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:23 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote:

  

Hello,

Since Michael Blood mentionned Sikhote-Alins embedded in trees in his 
latest "Market Trends" article, and warned everybody against them. And since I 





  
have received a few questions about the one I aquired a few months ago, let me 





  

try to set the record straight:

First, here are 2 pictures, the whole thing, and a close-up:

_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg) 

_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)  

It is much bigger than any I have seen before, and the Sikhote-Alin is 
truly inside the tree. 
And a member who happens to be an hoticulturist looked at the pictures and 
wrote: "Looks pretty real to me Anne!  It probably impailed itself into the 
tree and then the tree grew around it, which explains the "bark" around it". 
(Thank you Craig!)
Also I counted the rings, not easy, but there are at least 45. And I trust 
the Russian dealer I bought it from. 
So, yes I believe that it is the real/authentic deal, not a scam.  

And if you want to have a better look at it, it will be in my room in 
Tucson (Hotel Tucson City Center, Formerly InnSuites, Room 322).
Spea

Re: [meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction!

[Linton Rohr]

Oh, you're just envious of his esoteric vibrational feedback... 

"There are people that are selling similar rocks,
I tried their rocks and they are weak. You are
the vortex man with the power load rocks!"

I must say, I don't think I've ever seen a twisted juniper tree before.
Incredible! That vortex is amazing! ;^)
Linton - levitating in the beam of light

- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" 

To: "Adam" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction!


Wow, they are smoke and pet free.  I bet museums will be scampering to get 
one.
He stated, "don't be fooled by imitations."  It is kind of like saying if 
you
eat one hamburger, you can have another one free or if you don't know 
where you

are going, you could end up somewhere else.  It reminds me of the infamous
"Galaxy Meteorites".  I thought some of the auctions houses were pretty
descriptive but this guy's Sedona-Arizona, UFO, Alien, Red, Rock Votex, 
Stone

Geodes take the prize.

Best Regards,

Adam




- Original Message 
From: John Teague 
To: Meteorite List ; Rock Hounds I
; Rock&Fossils 


Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 4:13:20 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction!

I did not want to be the only one that had a shot a getting these!

Sikhote-Alin Meteorite Basic Information
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sedona-Arizona-UFO-Alien-Red-Rock-Vortex-Stone-GEODES-/330518468773?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf46f98a5


John in even snowier Knoxville


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Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[meteoritefinder]

Yeah, sounded pretty impressive at first and was reported over a  huge area, 
but as others have noted, it was quite short, so ...

Robert Woolard


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Meteorites USA  wrote:

> UPDATE: New data added... This is a short duration event. Current public 
> video sucks, and no radar yet. Over 30 sightings on AMS. I've added a map, 
> and the Google Earth KMZ file for download for those who want to try this 
> one. 
> http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/
> 
> Enjoy...
> 
> Regards,
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA wrote:
>> You know, sometimes it's just too good to be true... What are the chances a 
>> meteorite falls on 1/11/11 just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show? 
>> ;)
>> 
>> We might have our first meteorite fall of 2011. Too many reports of 
>> fragmentation and sonic booms for it not to be. Looks like this might be the 
>> real deal.
>> 
>> Here's some quotes from the articles:
>> 
>> "A sonic boom was heard as far north as Western North Carolina..."
>> 
>> "...Copiah County Emergency Management Director Randle Drane said residents 
>> who saw the light and heard a subsequent boom called to report what they had 
>> seen or heard. The majority of those who heard the boom were near the town 
>> of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal Springs"
>> 
>> "...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30 p.m. we began receiving calls about a 
>> bright flash of light and a boom..."
>> 
>> "...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the Pulaski County Sheriff's Office received 
>> several calls of what looked like balls of fire falling from the sky"
>> 
>> "...According to affiliate KFSM, the meteor was also sighted in Greenwood, 
>> Jonesboro, Jackson, Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida Panhandle"
>> 
>> Reports still coming in...
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Eric Wichman
>> Meteorites USA
>> www.meteoritesusa.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[Meteorites USA]

Hey Robert, a short duration Fireball doesn't really mean much with 
regard to whether meteorites are on the ground as evidenced by the 
Whetstone Mountains meteorite fall. The question on this one is whether 
there was fragmentation, and if there is video of that fragmentation. 
Fragmentation has been reported by many eye witnesses. A good sign is 
that sonic booms were heard as well, and quote "houses were rattled". 
Though not definitive it's a very good piece of the puzzle.


Regards,
Eric



On 1/12/2011 10:25 AM, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yeah, sounded pretty impressive at first and was reported over a  huge area, 
but as others have noted, it was quite short, so ...

Robert Woolard


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Meteorites USA  wrote:

   

UPDATE: New data added... This is a short duration event. Current public video 
sucks, and no radar yet. Over 30 sightings on AMS. I've added a map, and the 
Google Earth KMZ file for download for those who want to try this one. 
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/

Enjoy...

Regards,
Eric



On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA wrote:
 

You know, sometimes it's just too good to be true... What are the chances a 
meteorite falls on 1/11/11 just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show? ;)

We might have our first meteorite fall of 2011. Too many reports of 
fragmentation and sonic booms for it not to be. Looks like this might be the 
real deal.

Here's some quotes from the articles:

"A sonic boom was heard as far north as Western North Carolina..."

"...Copiah County Emergency Management Director Randle Drane said residents who saw 
the light and heard a subsequent boom called to report what they had seen or heard. The 
majority of those who heard the boom were near the town of Hopewell just southeast of 
Crystal Springs"

"...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30 p.m. we began receiving calls about a bright flash 
of light and a boom..."

"...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the Pulaski County Sheriff's Office received several calls 
of what looked like balls of fire falling from the sky"

"...According to affiliate KFSM, the meteor was also sighted in Greenwood, 
Jonesboro, Jackson, Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida Panhandle"

Reports still coming in...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
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Re: [meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction!

[John Teague]

Hey, it DOES come with a Certificate of Authenticity!  Must be real!


-Original Message-
>From: Orrin 
>Sent: Jan 12, 2011 1:23 PM
>To: ma...@imagineopals.com
>Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction!
>
>If I only had 7 million
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/North-American-Lunar-Meteorite-/120670664523?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1888374b
>
>How does this moron get away with this?
>
>On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:27 AM,   wrote:
>> And only $81.00 for shipping!!! What a deal from "The Vortex Man"
>>
>>
>> On 1:13:30 pm 01/12/11 Adam Hupe  wrote:
>>> Wow, they are smoke and pet free.  I bet museums will be scampering
>>> to get one. He stated, "don't be fooled by imitations."  It is kind
>>> of like saying if you eat one hamburger, you can have another one
>>> free or if you don't know where you are going, you could end up
>>> somewhere else.  It reminds me of the infamous "Galaxy Meteorites".
>>> I thought some of the auctions houses were pretty descriptive but
>>> this guy's Sedona-Arizona, UFO, Alien, Red, Rock Votex, Stone Geodes
>>> take the prize.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message 
>>> From: John Teague 
>>> To: Meteorite List ; Rock Hounds
>>> I ; Rock&Fossils >> roups.com>
>>> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 4:13:20 AM
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction!
>>>
>>> I did not want to be the only one that had a shot a getting these!
>>>
>>> Sikhote-Alin Meteorite Basic Information
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Sedona-Arizona-UFO-Alien-Red-Rock-Vortex-Stone-GEO
>>> DES-/330518468773?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf46f98a5
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction!

[Orrin]

If I only had 7 million

http://cgi.ebay.com/North-American-Lunar-Meteorite-/120670664523?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1888374b

How does this moron get away with this?

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:27 AM,   wrote:
> And only $81.00 for shipping!!! What a deal from "The Vortex Man"
>
>
> On 1:13:30 pm 01/12/11 Adam Hupe  wrote:
>> Wow, they are smoke and pet free.  I bet museums will be scampering
>> to get one. He stated, "don't be fooled by imitations."  It is kind
>> of like saying if you eat one hamburger, you can have another one
>> free or if you don't know where you are going, you could end up
>> somewhere else.  It reminds me of the infamous "Galaxy Meteorites".
>> I thought some of the auctions houses were pretty descriptive but
>> this guy's Sedona-Arizona, UFO, Alien, Red, Rock Votex, Stone Geodes
>> take the prize.
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message 
>> From: John Teague 
>> To: Meteorite List ; Rock Hounds
>> I ; Rock&Fossils > roups.com>
>> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 4:13:20 AM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction!
>>
>> I did not want to be the only one that had a shot a getting these!
>>
>> Sikhote-Alin Meteorite Basic Information
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Sedona-Arizona-UFO-Alien-Red-Rock-Vortex-Stone-GEO
>> DES-/330518468773?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf46f98a5
>>
>>
>> John in even snowier Knoxville
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[Chris Spratt]

For a foreign body such as a meteorite to lodge itself into a tree 
without breaking the tree into pieces would be a feat in itself. The 
Moss meteorite, a carbonaceous chondrite,  reportedly broke off three 
limbs(?) off a plum tree. ( I assume "limbs" meant small branches).


Anyway, for an iron meteorite to actually lodge itself into a tree 
without smashing the tree to pieces would indicate to me that the tree 
must have been very large in itself to withstand the impact. Recovery 
would be slow and the scar damage would last for many years. So a "ring 
count" should be much more than 47.


One time a tree crew of mine, hit the hub of a wagon wheel,  which had 
been left in a tree crotch for some reason. Over many years (at least 
50+) the tree enclosed the hub and when the tree was cut down, the hub 
revealed itself by shattering the chain of the chain saw. That tree, an 
elm, was very large and nearly 150 years old. ( I Iost count at about 
150 growth rings).


Over the years, we found iron and steel pieces imbedded  inside trees. 
All were very old trees, mostly elms, and none bore any evidence on
the outside of any damage or "enclosure", at least until the tree was 
cut down and cut up for firewood.


For many years, I had a tree trunk section with an iron fence post  
which had been completely enclosed by the tree. I should have kept it, 
but that section weighed a ton! I did keep it, for a while as a demo, 
for "safety lectures" to warn tree removal operators what to expect.


So looking if you are for meteorites in a tree, look for a fairly old 
tree, that could have taken the hit without falling to pieces..


Chris. Spratt
Victoria, BC
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[John Birdsell]

Hi Tedgood point. If a tree branch was collected many, many years ago, it 
could have fewer growth rings, and might also be expected to show some signs of 
its age. 


-J

I have seen three specimens that exceed 80 years and several that are too 
young, so be careful. A Russian dealer friend of mine says that all of the 
genuine specimens were gathered years ago, but some may have been kept for 
future sale as we know the Arab dealers do with meteorites. 

Be careful out there. 

Ted Bunch 



- Original Message 
From: John Birdsell 
To: John Birdsell ; Darryl Pitt ; 
impact...@aol.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:25:22 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

One year's growth should be represented by a light colored early growth band 
AND 

a dark colored late growth band...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrochronology





- Original Message 
From: John Birdsell 
To: Darryl Pitt ; impact...@aol.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:04:33 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

Count the annual growth rings in the base of the branchif a tree was alive 
in 1947 there should be more than 64.


-J





- Original Message 
From: Darryl Pitt 
To: impact...@aol.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 8:35:15 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree


Hi, 

While I am not challenging the integrity of Anne's specimen, there is something 
I should share:  about a decade ago I was informed by an unimpeachable source 
as 


to the existence of what is basically a nursery outside of Vladivostok where 
SAs 


have been wedged into the knots and the forked limbs of a rapidly growing 
specie 


of tree for later "harvest."  I was informed that branches are frequently bound 
around the meteorite to assist in the embedment.  I saw one such example and it 
was...impressive.  


Little scary, right?

In an effort that provides a faster turnaround, I was recently informed 
lightning rods are being inserted into strategic locations in Saharan sands in 
the effort to produce and harvest flared saharite---the beautifully flanged 
Saharan fulgurites. 


Certainly less scary as there is no effort to deceive.  Clever, actually---and 
yet bothersome as well. 


d,








On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:23 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Since Michael Blood mentionned Sikhote-Alins embedded in trees in his 
> latest "Market Trends" article, and warned everybody against them. And since 
> I 



> have received a few questions about the one I aquired a few months ago, let 
> me 



> try to set the record straight:
> 
> First, here are 2 pictures, the whole thing, and a close-up:
> 
> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg_ 
> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg) 
> 
> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_ 
> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)  
> 
> It is much bigger than any I have seen before, and the Sikhote-Alin is 
> truly inside the tree. 
> And a member who happens to be an hoticulturist looked at the pictures and 
> wrote: "Looks pretty real to me Anne!  It probably impailed itself into the 
> tree and then the tree grew around it, which explains the "bark" around it". 
> (Thank you Craig!)
> Also I counted the rings, not easy, but there are at least 45. And I trust 
> the Russian dealer I bought it from. 
> So, yes I believe that it is the real/authentic deal, not a scam.  
> 
> And if you want to have a better look at it, it will be in my room in 
> Tucson (Hotel Tucson City Center, Formerly InnSuites, Room 322).
> Speaking of Sikhote-Alin, you will also see there two Sikhote-Alins in "as 
> found" condition that I obtained from the Vernadsky Institute. Yes, with all 
> the paperwork!
> 
> See you all there very soon.
> 
> Anne M. Black
> http://www.impactika.com/
> impact...@aol.com
> President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> http://www.imca.cc/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[Meteorites USA]

UPDATE: New data added... This is a short duration event. Current public 
video sucks, and no radar yet. Over 30 sightings on AMS. I've added a 
map, and the Google Earth KMZ file for download for those who want to 
try this one. 
http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/


Enjoy...

Regards,
Eric



On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA wrote:
You know, sometimes it's just too good to be true... What are the 
chances a meteorite falls on 1/11/11 just a mere couple weeks before 
the Tucson show? ;)


We might have our first meteorite fall of 2011. Too many reports of 
fragmentation and sonic booms for it not to be. Looks like this might 
be the real deal.


Here's some quotes from the articles:

"A sonic boom was heard as far north as Western North Carolina..."

"...Copiah County Emergency Management Director Randle Drane said 
residents who saw the light and heard a subsequent boom called to 
report what they had seen or heard. The majority of those who heard 
the boom were near the town of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal 
Springs"


"...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30 p.m. we began receiving calls about 
a bright flash of light and a boom..."


"...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the Pulaski County Sheriff's Office received 
several calls of what looked like balls of fire falling from the sky"


"...According to affiliate KFSM, the meteor was also sighted in 
Greenwood, Jonesboro, Jackson, Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida 
Panhandle"


Reports still coming in...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[Ted Bunch]

I have seen three specimens that exceed 80 years and several that are too
young, so be careful. A Russian dealer friend of mine says that all of the
genuine specimens were gathered years ago, but some may have been kept for
future sale as we know the Arab dealers do with meteorites.

Be careful out there.

Ted Bunch 


On 1/12/11 10:25 AM, "John Birdsell"  wrote:

> One year's growth should be represented by a light colored early growth band
> AND 
> a dark colored late growth band...
> 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrochronology
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: John Birdsell 
> To: Darryl Pitt ; impact...@aol.com
> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:04:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
> 
> Count the annual growth rings in the base of the branchif a tree was alive
> in 1947 there should be more than 64.
> 
> 
> -J
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Darryl Pitt 
> To: impact...@aol.com
> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 8:35:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
> 
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> While I am not challenging the integrity of Anne's specimen, there is
> something 
> I should share:  about a decade ago I was informed by an unimpeachable source
> as 
> 
> to the existence of what is basically a nursery outside of Vladivostok where
> SAs 
> 
> have been wedged into the knots and the forked limbs of a rapidly growing
> specie 
> 
> of tree for later "harvest."  I was informed that branches are frequently
> bound 
> around the meteorite to assist in the embedment.  I saw one such example and
> it 
> was...impressive.
> 
> 
> Little scary, right?
> 
> In an effort that provides a faster turnaround, I was recently informed
> lightning rods are being inserted into strategic locations in Saharan sands in
> the effort to produce and harvest flared saharite---the beautifully flanged
> Saharan fulgurites.
> 
> 
> Certainly less scary as there is no effort to deceive.  Clever, actually---and
> yet bothersome as well.
> 
> 
> d,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:23 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Since Michael Blood mentionned Sikhote-Alins embedded in trees in his
>> latest "Market Trends" article, and warned everybody against them. And since
>> I 
> 
> 
>> have received a few questions about the one I aquired a few months ago, let
>> me 
> 
> 
>> try to set the record straight:
>> 
>> First, here are 2 pictures, the whole thing, and a close-up:
>> 
>> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg_
>> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg)
>> 
>> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_
>> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)
>> 
>> It is much bigger than any I have seen before, and the Sikhote-Alin is
>> truly inside the tree.
>> And a member who happens to be an hoticulturist looked at the pictures and
>> wrote: "Looks pretty real to me Anne!  It probably impailed itself into the
>> tree and then the tree grew around it, which explains the "bark" around it".
>> (Thank you Craig!)
>> Also I counted the rings, not easy, but there are at least 45. And I trust
>> the Russian dealer I bought it from.
>> So, yes I believe that it is the real/authentic deal, not a scam.
>> 
>> And if you want to have a better look at it, it will be in my room in
>> Tucson (Hotel Tucson City Center, Formerly InnSuites, Room 322).
>> Speaking of Sikhote-Alin, you will also see there two Sikhote-Alins in "as
>> found" condition that I obtained from the Vernadsky Institute. Yes, with all
>> the paperwork!
>> 
>> See you all there very soon.
>> 
>> Anne M. Black
>> http://www.impactika.com/
>> impact...@aol.com
>> President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
>> http://www.imca.cc/
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[Galactic Stone and Ironworks]

Hi List,

This is a fine example of the importance of provenance.  Provenance is
key when it comes to collectibles such as tree-embedded meteorites,
hammer impact artifacts, and rare falls.  It is virtually impossible
to distinguish if a piece of drywall actually came from a meteorite
impact event, if a tree-embedded iron is actually genuine, and if a
given common chondrite is Zulu Queen or NWA.  It is of the utmost
importance that one purchase such materials from sources with spotless
record of authenticity.

On the one hand, I would not purchase such material from an unknown
eBay seller or some random John Q. Public at a big show like Tucson.
On the other hand, I would confident purchasing such materials from
the majority of members of this List in good standing and the majority
of IMCA members.

Documentation is also important to trace the chain of provenance from
the origin to the exporter, importer, wholesaler and final dealer.
Any gap in this chain will leave doubts.

I draw a distinction between contrived tree-embedded SA's and
lightning-rod assisted fulgurites.  In the former case, man is the
driving factor.  In the latter case, man is the catalyst but nature
does the work - not unlike a cultured pearl.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 1/12/11, John Birdsell  wrote:
> One year's growth should be represented by a light colored early growth band
> AND
> a dark colored late growth band...
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrochronology
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: John Birdsell 
> To: Darryl Pitt ; impact...@aol.com
> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:04:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
>
> Count the annual growth rings in the base of the branchif a tree was
> alive
> in 1947 there should be more than 64.
>
>
> -J
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Darryl Pitt 
> To: impact...@aol.com
> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 8:35:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree
>
>
> Hi,
>
> While I am not challenging the integrity of Anne's specimen, there is
> something
> I should share:  about a decade ago I was informed by an unimpeachable
> source as
>
> to the existence of what is basically a nursery outside of Vladivostok where
> SAs
>
> have been wedged into the knots and the forked limbs of a rapidly growing
> specie
>
> of tree for later "harvest."  I was informed that branches are frequently
> bound
> around the meteorite to assist in the embedment.  I saw one such example and
> it
> was...impressive.
>
>
> Little scary, right?
>
> In an effort that provides a faster turnaround, I was recently informed
> lightning rods are being inserted into strategic locations in Saharan sands
> in
> the effort to produce and harvest flared saharite---the beautifully flanged
> Saharan fulgurites.
>
>
> Certainly less scary as there is no effort to deceive.  Clever,
> actually---and
> yet bothersome as well.
>
>
> d,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:23 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Since Michael Blood mentionned Sikhote-Alins embedded in trees in his
>> latest "Market Trends" article, and warned everybody against them. And
>> since I
>
>
>> have received a few questions about the one I aquired a few months ago,
>> let me
>
>
>> try to set the record straight:
>>
>> First, here are 2 pictures, the whole thing, and a close-up:
>>
>> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg_
>> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg)
>>
>> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_
>> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)
>>
>> It is much bigger than any I have seen before, and the Sikhote-Alin is
>> truly inside the tree.
>> And a member who happens to be an hoticulturist looked at the pictures and
>>
>> wrote: "Looks pretty real to me Anne!  It probably impailed itself into
>> the
>> tree and then the tree grew around it, which explains the "bark" around
>> it".
>> (Thank you Craig!)
>> Also I counted the rings, not easy, but there are at least 45. And I trust
>>
>> the Russian dealer I bought it from.
>> So, yes I believe that it is the real/authentic deal, not a scam.
>>
>> And if you want to have a better look at it, it will be in my room in
>> Tucson (Hotel Tucson City Center, Formerly InnSuites, Room 322).
>> Speaking of Sikhote-Alin, you will also see there two Sikhote-Alins in "as
>>
>> found" condition that I obtained from the

Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[John Birdsell]

One year's growth should be represented by a light colored early growth band 
AND 
a dark colored late growth band...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrochronology





- Original Message 
From: John Birdsell 
To: Darryl Pitt ; impact...@aol.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 10:04:33 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

Count the annual growth rings in the base of the branchif a tree was alive 
in 1947 there should be more than 64.


-J





- Original Message 
From: Darryl Pitt 
To: impact...@aol.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 8:35:15 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree


Hi, 

While I am not challenging the integrity of Anne's specimen, there is something 
I should share:  about a decade ago I was informed by an unimpeachable source 
as 

to the existence of what is basically a nursery outside of Vladivostok where 
SAs 

have been wedged into the knots and the forked limbs of a rapidly growing 
specie 

of tree for later "harvest."  I was informed that branches are frequently bound 
around the meteorite to assist in the embedment.  I saw one such example and it 
was...impressive.  


Little scary, right?

In an effort that provides a faster turnaround, I was recently informed 
lightning rods are being inserted into strategic locations in Saharan sands in 
the effort to produce and harvest flared saharite---the beautifully flanged 
Saharan fulgurites. 


Certainly less scary as there is no effort to deceive.  Clever, actually---and 
yet bothersome as well. 


d,








On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:23 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Since Michael Blood mentionned Sikhote-Alins embedded in trees in his 
> latest "Market Trends" article, and warned everybody against them. And since 
> I 


> have received a few questions about the one I aquired a few months ago, let 
> me 


> try to set the record straight:
> 
> First, here are 2 pictures, the whole thing, and a close-up:
> 
> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg_ 
> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg) 
> 
> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_ 
> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)  
> 
> It is much bigger than any I have seen before, and the Sikhote-Alin is 
> truly inside the tree. 
> And a member who happens to be an hoticulturist looked at the pictures and 
> wrote: "Looks pretty real to me Anne!  It probably impailed itself into the 
> tree and then the tree grew around it, which explains the "bark" around it". 
> (Thank you Craig!)
> Also I counted the rings, not easy, but there are at least 45. And I trust 
> the Russian dealer I bought it from. 
> So, yes I believe that it is the real/authentic deal, not a scam.  
> 
> And if you want to have a better look at it, it will be in my room in 
> Tucson (Hotel Tucson City Center, Formerly InnSuites, Room 322).
> Speaking of Sikhote-Alin, you will also see there two Sikhote-Alins in "as 
> found" condition that I obtained from the Vernadsky Institute. Yes, with all 
> the paperwork!
> 
> See you all there very soon.
> 
> Anne M. Black
> http://www.impactika.com/
> impact...@aol.com
> President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> http://www.imca.cc/
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[John Birdsell]

Count the annual growth rings in the base of the branchif a tree was alive 
in 1947 there should be more than 64.


-J





- Original Message 
From: Darryl Pitt 
To: impact...@aol.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 8:35:15 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree


Hi, 

While I am not challenging the integrity of Anne's specimen, there is something 
I should share:  about a decade ago I was informed by an unimpeachable source 
as 
to the existence of what is basically a nursery outside of Vladivostok where 
SAs 
have been wedged into the knots and the forked limbs of a rapidly growing 
specie 
of tree for later "harvest."  I was informed that branches are frequently bound 
around the meteorite to assist in the embedment.  I saw one such example and it 
was...impressive.  


Little scary, right?

In an effort that provides a faster turnaround, I was recently informed 
lightning rods are being inserted into strategic locations in Saharan sands in 
the effort to produce and harvest flared saharite---the beautifully flanged 
Saharan fulgurites. 


Certainly less scary as there is no effort to deceive.  Clever, actually---and 
yet bothersome as well. 


d,








On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:23 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Since Michael Blood mentionned Sikhote-Alins embedded in trees in his 
> latest "Market Trends" article, and warned everybody against them. And since 
> I 

> have received a few questions about the one I aquired a few months ago, let 
> me 

> try to set the record straight:
> 
> First, here are 2 pictures, the whole thing, and a close-up:
> 
> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg_ 
> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg) 
> 
> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_ 
> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)  
> 
> It is much bigger than any I have seen before, and the Sikhote-Alin is 
> truly inside the tree. 
> And a member who happens to be an hoticulturist looked at the pictures and 
> wrote: "Looks pretty real to me Anne!  It probably impailed itself into the 
> tree and then the tree grew around it, which explains the "bark" around it". 
> (Thank you Craig!)
> Also I counted the rings, not easy, but there are at least 45. And I trust 
> the Russian dealer I bought it from. 
> So, yes I believe that it is the real/authentic deal, not a scam.  
> 
> And if you want to have a better look at it, it will be in my room in 
> Tucson (Hotel Tucson City Center, Formerly InnSuites, Room 322).
> Speaking of Sikhote-Alin, you will also see there two Sikhote-Alins in "as 
> found" condition that I obtained from the Vernadsky Institute. Yes, with all 
> the paperwork!
> 
> See you all there very soon.
> 
> Anne M. Black
> http://www.impactika.com/
> impact...@aol.com
> President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> http://www.imca.cc/
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[meteorite-list] TV news report riddled with errors concerning 1-11-11 fireball

[Robert Woolard]

Here is a link to a TV news report out of Jackson, Miss. that is absolutely 
riddled with typical "meteor-news-report-errors". Such as:

did you know its a meteorITE when its in the air, and becomes a meteOR when it 
hits the ground?

" it struck in Podo, OK and was no more than the size of a pebble "

" it was in a remote area of OK and so it may be a while before we get our 
first pictures ..."      


http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/flash-of-light-seen-in-sky-could-ve-been-a-meteor/1d0rv584e?from=

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[meteorite-list] Surveillance videos of 1-11-11 meteor

[Robert Woolard]

Here is a link to about a minute's worth of surveillance videos of the 
fireball, taken from Jackson, Miss.  ( Starts after the obligatory 15-20 secs 
of advertising ).


www.kitv.com/video/26461600/detail.html


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[meteorite-list] UPdate Jackson Mississippi Bolide event 11JAN2011

[drtanuki]

Dear List,
Jackson, Mississippi area was visited by AT LEAST two large green bolides on 
last night 1-1-11!
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/01/two-bolides-mississippi-bolide-meteor.html

Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[Robert Woolard]

Thanks for the post, Eric. 

A TV station out of Lafayette, Louisiana reports on it. Below are 2 links from 
them, the first being a written account of the meteor and the 2nd is a link to 
the embedded video report, including a photo of what they say was THAT meteor ( 
no info on who took it, etc. ). They say the fireball was traveling from SE to 
NW, and was visible from OK to FL with sonic booms heard in NC where it was too 
cloudy to spot visually. That's a BIG chunk of real estate! As Eric wrote, 
there were sighting of it right here in Little Rock, AR. Unfortunately, I 
wasn't outside or even facing the right direction from any window in my house, 
so I didn't see it. 

Does look and sound promising for dropping meteorites. Any radar reports from 
anyone  ( Marc  )  ( Rob   )   Please keep us posted.  :-)


http://www.katc.com/news/huge-fireball-spotted-over-southeast-us/

http://www.katc.com/player/?video_id=5689


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Re: [meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction!

[mafer]

And only $81.00 for shipping!!! What a deal from "The Vortex Man"


On 1:13:30 pm 01/12/11 Adam Hupe  wrote:
> Wow, they are smoke and pet free.  I bet museums will be scampering
> to get one. He stated, "don't be fooled by imitations."  It is kind
> of like saying if you eat one hamburger, you can have another one
> free or if you don't know where you are going, you could end up
> somewhere else.  It reminds me of the infamous "Galaxy Meteorites".
> I thought some of the auctions houses were pretty descriptive but
> this guy's Sedona-Arizona, UFO, Alien, Red, Rock Votex, Stone Geodes
> take the prize.
> Best Regards,
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: John Teague 
> To: Meteorite List ; Rock Hounds
> I ; Rock&Fossils  roups.com>
> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 4:13:20 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction!
>
> I did not want to be the only one that had a shot a getting these!
>
> Sikhote-Alin Meteorite Basic Information
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Sedona-Arizona-UFO-Alien-Red-Rock-Vortex-Stone-GEO
> DES-/330518468773?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf46f98a5
>
>
> John in even snowier Knoxville
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Re: [meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction!

[Adam Hupe]

Wow, they are smoke and pet free.  I bet museums will be scampering to get one. 
He stated, "don't be fooled by imitations."  It is kind of like saying if you 
eat one hamburger, you can have another one free or if you don't know where you 
are going, you could end up somewhere else.  It reminds me of the infamous 
"Galaxy Meteorites".  I thought some of the auctions houses were pretty 
descriptive but this guy's Sedona-Arizona, UFO, Alien, Red, Rock Votex, Stone 
Geodes take the prize.

Best Regards,

Adam
   



- Original Message 
From: John Teague 
To: Meteorite List ; Rock Hounds I 
; Rock&Fossils 
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 4:13:20 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction!

I did not want to be the only one that had a shot a getting these!

Sikhote-Alin Meteorite Basic Information
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sedona-Arizona-UFO-Alien-Red-Rock-Vortex-Stone-GEODES-/330518468773?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf46f98a5


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Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[Michael Blood]

Hi Anne, Darryl & all,
Anne, as per our conversation, I did not state that
ALL  S-A specimens lodged in trees were fakes "and warn people
Against them." Please carefully read exactly what I did write
 in my most recent METEORITE MARKET TRENDS column
In the January issue of METEORITE TIMES below:

" A FINAL NOTE: A few amazing S-A pieces have shown up embedded in trees.
However, it is a fact that some Russians have been placing specimens in the
crotches and crannies of trees and waiting a few years to return to recover
them. This is a most un- fortunate situation, as counterfeiting of  any sort
throws suspicion on all examples from that point on. The irony is that there
were undoubtedly genuine tree embedded specimens from the fall which
triggered the idea in such greedy and unethical ³dealers.² So, a most
unfortunate ³Buyer Beware² must be mentioned here when it comes to tree
embedded S-A specimens."

"Buyer Beware" does NOT mean stay away, don't buy any, they
Are all fakes, or any thing other than BEWARE. (derived from "be aware")
Be aware there COULD be something going on other than what meets the eye.
It is a fact that 45 rings indicates 45 years (This is a basic
dating method used in Archaeology), and, yes, I visited the University of
Arizona Tree Ring Dating Lab when I was a graduate student.
Best wishes, Michael



On 1/11/11 5:23 PM, "Met. Anne Black"  wrote:

> Hello,
>  
> Since Michael Blood mentionned Sikhote-Alins embedded in trees in his
> latest "Market Trends" article, and warned everybody against them. And since I
> have received a few questions about the one I aquired a few months ago, let me
> try to set the record straight:
>  
> First, here are 2 pictures, the whole thing, and a close-up:
>  
> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg_
> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg)
> 
> _http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_
> (http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)
>  
> It is much bigger than any I have seen before, and the Sikhote-Alin is
> truly inside the tree.
> And a member who happens to be an hoticulturist looked at the pictures and
> wrote: "Looks pretty real to me Anne!  It probably impailed itself into the
> tree and then the tree grew around it, which explains the "bark" around it".
> (Thank you Craig!)
> Also I counted the rings, not easy, but there are at least 45. And I trust
> the Russian dealer I bought it from.
> So, yes I believe that it is the real/authentic deal, not a scam.
>  
> And if you want to have a better look at it, it will be in my room in
> Tucson (Hotel Tucson City Center, Formerly InnSuites, Room 322).
> Speaking of Sikhote-Alin, you will also see there two Sikhote-Alins in "as
> found" condition that I obtained from the Vernadsky Institute. Yes, with all
> the paperwork!
>  
> See you all there very soon.
> 
> Anne M. Black
> http://www.impactika.com/
> impact...@aol.com
> President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
> http://www.imca.cc/
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[meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction!

[John Teague]

I did not want to be the only one that had a shot a getting these!

Sikhote-Alin Meteorite Basic Information
http://cgi.ebay.com/Sedona-Arizona-UFO-Alien-Red-Rock-Vortex-Stone-GEODES-/330518468773?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf46f98a5

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Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree

[Matthias Bärmann]

Darryl, you've to be very strong now ...

Here in Germany each roof of a house 
http://www.ag-duisburg.nrw.de/00_wir_ueber_uns/40_Impressionen/Himmelsleiter.jpg , 
each tree 
http://img.fotocommunity.com/Architektur-Bauwesen/Stahlbau/Himmelsleiter-von-Duisburg-a18998569.jpg 
meanwhile carries a sky-ladder to invite the heavenly visitors politely to 
come down and take place in riker boxes.


And, yes, we're developping even more esthetical 
http://www.karla-flore.de/himmelsleiter%2000401.jpg , not to talk about the 
countless (sorry, Guido) metaphysical solutions 
http://www.adolf.frahling.de/Web-Site/Jakobs__Traum_(Chagall)_files/shapeimage_1.jpg


Best as ever,
Matthias



- Original Message - 
From: "Darryl Pitt" 

To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD(?) - Sikhote-Alin in tree




Hi,

While I am not challenging the integrity of Anne's specimen, there is 
something I should share:  about a decade ago I was informed by an 
unimpeachable source as to the existence of what is basically a nursery 
outside of Vladivostok where SAs have been wedged into the knots and the 
forked limbs of a rapidly growing specie of tree for later "harvest."  I 
was informed that branches are frequently bound around the meteorite to 
assist in the embedment.  I saw one such example and it was...impressive.


Little scary, right?

In an effort that provides a faster turnaround, I was recently informed 
lightning rods are being inserted into strategic locations in Saharan 
sands in the effort to produce and harvest flared saharite---the 
beautifully flanged Saharan fulgurites.


Certainly less scary as there is no effort to deceive.  Clever, 
actually---and yet bothersome as well.


d,








On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:23 PM, impact...@aol.com wrote:


Hello,

Since Michael Blood mentionned Sikhote-Alins embedded in trees in his
latest "Market Trends" article, and warned everybody against them. And 
since I
have received a few questions about the one I aquired a few months ago, 
let me

try to set the record straight:

First, here are 2 pictures, the whole thing, and a close-up:

_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg_
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree.jpg)

_http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg_
(http://www.impactika.com/images/satree2.jpg)

It is much bigger than any I have seen before, and the Sikhote-Alin is
truly inside the tree.
And a member who happens to be an hoticulturist looked at the pictures 
and
wrote: "Looks pretty real to me Anne!  It probably impailed itself into 
the
tree and then the tree grew around it, which explains the "bark" around 
it".

(Thank you Craig!)
Also I counted the rings, not easy, but there are at least 45. And I 
trust

the Russian dealer I bought it from.
So, yes I believe that it is the real/authentic deal, not a scam.

And if you want to have a better look at it, it will be in my room in
Tucson (Hotel Tucson City Center, Formerly InnSuites, Room 322).
Speaking of Sikhote-Alin, you will also see there two Sikhote-Alins in 
"as
found" condition that I obtained from the Vernadsky Institute. Yes, with 
all

the paperwork!

See you all there very soon.

Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
impact...@aol.com
President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
http://www.imca.cc/
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[meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011

[Meteorites USA]

You know, sometimes it's just too good to be true... What are the 
chances a meteorite falls on 1/11/11 just a mere couple weeks before the 
Tucson show? ;)


We might have our first meteorite fall of 2011. Too many reports of 
fragmentation and sonic booms for it not to be. Looks like this might be 
the real deal.


Here's some quotes from the articles:

"A sonic boom was heard as far north as Western North Carolina..."

"...Copiah County Emergency Management Director Randle Drane said 
residents who saw the light and heard a subsequent boom called to report 
what they had seen or heard. The majority of those who heard the boom 
were near the town of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal Springs"


"...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30 p.m. we began receiving calls about a 
bright flash of light and a boom..."


"...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the Pulaski County Sheriff's Office received 
several calls of what looked like balls of fire falling from the sky"


"...According to affiliate KFSM, the meteor was also sighted in 
Greenwood, Jonesboro, Jackson, Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida 
Panhandle"


Reports still coming in...

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA
www.meteoritesusa.com
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