[meteorite-list] Meteorites - I don't think so..

[Jim Wooddell]

Found this after the Google Search thread going on here.
Hmmm.  You see many if any meteorites at this site?

http://www.ghostweb.com/meteorite.html#nuggets

Regards,

Jim   _heading for Tucson...

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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[Count Deiro]

Hi Steve and List,

Thanks for posting the link to your very informative video. Congratulations on 
what must be one of the all time best "sniping" incidents on EBay. You do have 
the "real deal".

Listers might not know that the international auction house, Sothebys, 
auctioned dust from a Russian unmanned lunar mission. In 1970 the Soviet Union 
sent an automated sample-return mission to the moon and three fragments 
collected on this mission, weighing just 200 milligrams, were sold by Sotheby's 
Vice Chairman, David Redden, for $442.500.00. The sale was held in 1993, so in 
today's dollars we are probably talking near a million.

You lucky dog.

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

  


-Original Message-
>From: Steve Schoner 
>Sent: Feb 3, 2011 10:10 PM
>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
>
>As much as I know it is illegal to even present an item such as this rock on 
>Ebay as an authentic Apollo recovered moon rock.  Even if it is not, just to 
>state that it is is enough to have it confiscated by the U.S. Government.
>
>A case in point was a recent desk mount with a pen holder that had a molded 
>plastic transparent rock that supposedly had Apollo recovered lunar dust and 
>sand sized rock particles in it.  It was being auctioned at a major auction 
>house and was taken down when the U.S. Government confiscated it.  It was 
>tested and from what I recall returned to the owner(s)as it could not be 
>confirmed as authentic.
>
>And that was the end of that as a salable piece.
>
>However, the Terry Slezak Apollo 11 Moon Dust tape IS authentic.  And as much 
>as I know it is the only Apollo 11 lunar material that is available for the 
>public to own.  The entire poster board with the Moon dust tape,some foil from 
>the Apollo 11, the label from Magazine S that Armstrong dropped, a note that 
>Buzz Aldrin wrote on the moon, and the Apollo 11 crew signatures, was included 
>in an auction that Mr. Florian Noller won sometime in 2001. This tape was then 
>sectioned into small triangles, each having particles of moon dust on them, 
>which he then sold under his company "Spaceflori."
>
>It is the real deal.  I know because I won one of these Apollo "Moon Dust" 
>tape presentations on Ebay a few years ago.  I could not believe the low price 
>I won it at.  It was a real loss to the seller, but he honored the deal.  I 
>remember that it was brought up on this MetList and there was much doubt of 
>it's authenticity.  But I knew otherwise, having previously followed the sale 
>of the Slezak tape in a Space artifacts auction held 2001.
>
>Under a high power microscope there is no doubt in my mind that it is the real 
>thing.  I communicated with Mr. Noller in Germany and he remembered the person 
>that I obtained it from.  He was amazed at the  low price that I obtained it 
>in the Ebay auction, stating that Ebay is not the place to auction such 
>artifacts.
>
>Here is my Apollo 11 "Moon Dust" tape--- the real deal:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C3lPlmpoKo
>
>But...
>
>As for the suspected Apollo moon rock being offered on Ebay.  If NASA finds 
>out about the auction it will be taken down by court order if Ebay refuses.  
>That I do know.
>
>Steve Schoner
>
>
>
>It was in fact proven to have been presented to Mr. Slezak
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 20:35:21 -0500
>From: Michael Gilmer 
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
>To: Walter Branch 
>Cc: Meteorite-list List 
>Message-ID:
>   
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Hi Walt and List,
>
>Thanks for reminding me about the camera cartridge dust.  I had
>forgotten about that.  AFAIK, that is the only legal Apollo lunar
>material on the market.  I've love to own one of those little pieces
>of tape with dust on it, but the asking price is too rich for my
>blood.  I'll have to settle for a small micro of NWA 482.  :)
>
>I guess one of us could report the auction to eBay, but I doubt they
>will pull the auction down.  I gave up on reporting things to eBay,
>since they never listen to me.
>
>Best regards,
>
>MikeG
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[Martin Altmann]

Strange,

why such a stir on the list, when a person with zero references dumps a
piece of cat litter as Apollo sample on ebay?

Such stories are stone-old. Already in the 1980ies material was circulating,
where sellers claimed them to be Apollo stuff, with similar stories a la my
grandma had a romantic affair with a NASA-boss and he gave her a Moon rock
as present.
And every 3 years or so from Russia people go hawking with unidentifiable
grains, often fancy arranged in capsules or microscope slides, claiming they
would be from the Luna-probes. Usually garnished with papers from
institutes, nobody ever heard of, and garnished with similar stories, a la
Brezhnev in person gave it to my uncle, who was a high KGB-general for his
merits...
I'm tempted to pluck some hair from my head and to wallow it a little bit in
some butter, to put it on ebay as an Elvis-curl, if it's so easy to get your
attention.

Even the question is not interesting, whether the crumb is part of one of
the many stolen Goodwill-Rock-pieces, like from Malta, Romania or from half
Africa and Eastern-Europe,
cause nobody would be so stupid to use a public platform to try to sell it.

Dunno, a dozen postings - like it is so often - for a primitive fake auction
on ebay.

Here are so many on the list, permanently introducing new exciting and often
breathtaking REAL space matters, - 
I guess, they would be glad, if they would get half that echo, those dirty
clowns usually get here, who are trying to commit fraud with their
self-found Martian, Lunar, Saturnian lumps from the dump in their backyards.


Just use on ebay the search tag:   meteori* -rolex  
Sort the result:  Price highest first
And you will have on the first pages every day one, two dozen incredible
stupid fake auctions.

American Lunars, Texas meteorite at 0.75 million, Martha's Vineyard, Canyon
Diablo achondrites, Martian blood vessels, ooold Buddhist Mekong-iron carved
ritual crapas it would be Dr.Terminus' playground.

And honestly, the worries about the so helpless and innocent victims... if
they are sooo extremely stupid?
I get everyday emails, from people I never heard of, who found out, that an
uncle of mine died, and that they urgently have to send 10 millions or so on
my bank account. Poor victims of political intrigues in China, Africa, Iraq,
who will transfer to me some few millions immediately, if I will help them.
Investors vom Arab and China countries, who recovered my biz and want to
give a couple of millions to play with, millions I win every day, from
lotteries I never took part. On average, if I would accept, my fortune would
grow each day with 52,000,000 USD. Pills I get offered, that I can reduce
parts of my body and other pills, who will enlarge other parts of my body...

...would anybody have mercy with me, if I would be so stupid to fall for
such stuff?

Two simple advices:

1.Such kind of ebay auctions - as soon as you see there written a "$" and a
figure larger than only "0"
- then it's fraud.
If the sum = 0 - then it's no fraud but naivete.

2. Whenever someone (with exception if the person is from Maghreb) contacts
you asking for your opinion, whether his find is a meteorite  AND his first,
second or third question is: How much is it worth or where can I sell it.
- Don't answer, it's wasted time.


Best!
Martin

...hey I have a few rocks here, which are from Moon  ;-)
Also sume, where geologists said, they are from Planet Mars.





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[meteorite-list] Ad: Lot 58 BV 2 - Johnstown (DIOGENITE)

[Robert Verish]

Ref:  

Regarding Lot 58 BV 2 Johnstown (DIOGENITE) 
in Michael Blood's Tucson 2011 Auction 

I've been getting a lot of response about this little whole individual, 
primarily about provenance, and what with the auction going to occur in less 
than 2 days I want to update everyone with the information that I have 
researched.  According to cataloged records at the UNM - Institute of 
Meteoritics, this specimen was most likely brought into their collection by 
Lincoln LaPaz before 1960.  Information regarding the actual finder and 
location is not on record at the UNM-IOM, but went into the LaPaz estate when 
he retired as curator from the Institute. 
This is probably all the info' on this specimen that I will find before the 
auction this Saturday night.

See ya' in Tucson,
Bob V.

Email absentee bids to Michael Blood at: mlbl...@cox.net
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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[cdtucson]

Martin,
Obviously this eBay auction is not genuine material.
But, everybody knows there is a lot of real material out there that was given 
away. The question is . How much? And in what form? 
One thing is certain. It was not distributed on an old piece of carpeting. 
The ones I have seen are very well displayed in resin along with a formal 
presentation. 
Nobody is saying exactly how many of these are actually out there but, I have 
seen one in private hands that was given to an engineer / manager at Raytheon. 
It  is in a clear resin pyramid about an inch tall and is an actual pebble not 
just dust. 
What is disturbing to me is what I am hearing here  that it is illegal to sell 
these gifts from NASA? 
And if you try NASA will seize them?
I thought the only Government org that was allowed NOT to follow due process of 
the law was the IRS. 
Now , I am hearing that NASA has the same power as the IRS? 
I certainly hope not.
Sure a court may grant some action that could stop these sales if it is in fact 
illegal but, I am surprised that a non-law enforcement agency like NASA has 
that much power. 
This unless there is an actual law on the books. In which case becomes simply a 
matter of law enforcement. In which case any cop can seize the material. 
Until I see that law it seems to me that it is legal to sell this material if 
it is real and was obtained legally.
Again, this eBay offering is clearly not real but, I would like to see the law 
in print that prohibits the sale of moon rocks. 
Anybody got a copy to share? 

Thanks,
Carl 
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


 Martin Altmann  wrote: 
> Strange,
> 
> why such a stir on the list, when a person with zero references dumps a
> piece of cat litter as Apollo sample on ebay?
> 
> Such stories are stone-old. Already in the 1980ies material was circulating,
> where sellers claimed them to be Apollo stuff, with similar stories a la my
> grandma had a romantic affair with a NASA-boss and he gave her a Moon rock
> as present.
> And every 3 years or so from Russia people go hawking with unidentifiable
> grains, often fancy arranged in capsules or microscope slides, claiming they
> would be from the Luna-probes. Usually garnished with papers from
> institutes, nobody ever heard of, and garnished with similar stories, a la
> Brezhnev in person gave it to my uncle, who was a high KGB-general for his
> merits...
> I'm tempted to pluck some hair from my head and to wallow it a little bit in
> some butter, to put it on ebay as an Elvis-curl, if it's so easy to get your
> attention.
> 
> Even the question is not interesting, whether the crumb is part of one of
> the many stolen Goodwill-Rock-pieces, like from Malta, Romania or from half
> Africa and Eastern-Europe,
> cause nobody would be so stupid to use a public platform to try to sell it.
> 
> Dunno, a dozen postings - like it is so often - for a primitive fake auction
> on ebay.
> 
> Here are so many on the list, permanently introducing new exciting and often
> breathtaking REAL space matters, - 
> I guess, they would be glad, if they would get half that echo, those dirty
> clowns usually get here, who are trying to commit fraud with their
> self-found Martian, Lunar, Saturnian lumps from the dump in their backyards.
> 
> 
> Just use on ebay the search tag:   meteori* -rolex  
> Sort the result:  Price highest first
> And you will have on the first pages every day one, two dozen incredible
> stupid fake auctions.
> 
> American Lunars, Texas meteorite at 0.75 million, Martha's Vineyard, Canyon
> Diablo achondrites, Martian blood vessels, ooold Buddhist Mekong-iron carved
> ritual crapas it would be Dr.Terminus' playground.
> 
> And honestly, the worries about the so helpless and innocent victims... if
> they are sooo extremely stupid?
> I get everyday emails, from people I never heard of, who found out, that an
> uncle of mine died, and that they urgently have to send 10 millions or so on
> my bank account. Poor victims of political intrigues in China, Africa, Iraq,
> who will transfer to me some few millions immediately, if I will help them.
> Investors vom Arab and China countries, who recovered my biz and want to
> give a couple of millions to play with, millions I win every day, from
> lotteries I never took part. On average, if I would accept, my fortune would
> grow each day with 52,000,000 USD. Pills I get offered, that I can reduce
> parts of my body and other pills, who will enlarge other parts of my body...
> 
> ...would anybody have mercy with me, if I would be so stupid to fall for
> such stuff?
> 
> Two simple advices:
> 
> 1.Such kind of ebay auctions - as soon as you see there written a "$" and a
> figure larger than only "0"
> - then it's fraud.
> If the sum = 0 - then it's no fraud but naivete.
> 
> 2. Whenever someone (with exception if the person is from Maghreb) contacts
> you asking for your opinion, whether his find is a meteorite  AND his first,
> second or third question is: How 

Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[Brian Cox]

Has anyone contacted the seller with the Apollo Moon Rock or if they have 
did they get a response back from him? I would think that since he has 100% 
feedback and has 4.8 out of 5 on "Item as Described" and 4.9 of 5 on 
Communication, Shipping Time and Shipping and handling charges that he might 
honestly think he as a REAL Moon Rock, plus he's got 989 feedback in just 2 
years. That Purple 70s Carpet he has it photographed on is a sight for a 70s 
flashback movie, but I think he needs some direction. If he had 15 feedbacks 
and was selling really crazy off the wall stuff I would think he was a con 
artist, but just might need some help and direction in this case.


One other thing that bothers me about anything sold for a high price is the 
ebay/paypal rule on refunds, without returns, that so many of my seller 
friends are complaining about. Many I know that don't sell meteorites 
complain that the ebay/Paypal refund policy is if the buyer contacts Paypal 
and even says the "item was not exactly as described" even if it's a minor 
scratch, etc., that Paypal will refund their money and let the buyer keep 
the item and not return it like they used to do a year or so ago and in the 
past. Sellers are really getting screwed in this case. I know people that 
will only sell any item over $2,000 on their website or some other way.


Everyone have a great day and those in Tucson, I hope it warms up for you.

All the best!

Cheers!

Brian Cox

IMCA #6387 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[cdtucson]

Brian, You are misinformed. EBay does require return and proof of return before 
granting and releasing refunds. 
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


 Brian Cox  wrote: 
> Has anyone contacted the seller with the Apollo Moon Rock or if they have 
> did they get a response back from him? I would think that since he has 100% 
> feedback and has 4.8 out of 5 on "Item as Described" and 4.9 of 5 on 
> Communication, Shipping Time and Shipping and handling charges that he might 
> honestly think he as a REAL Moon Rock, plus he's got 989 feedback in just 2 
> years. That Purple 70s Carpet he has it photographed on is a sight for a 70s 
> flashback movie, but I think he needs some direction. If he had 15 feedbacks 
> and was selling really crazy off the wall stuff I would think he was a con 
> artist, but just might need some help and direction in this case.
> 
> One other thing that bothers me about anything sold for a high price is the 
> ebay/paypal rule on refunds, without returns, that so many of my seller 
> friends are complaining about. Many I know that don't sell meteorites 
> complain that the ebay/Paypal refund policy is if the buyer contacts Paypal 
> and even says the "item was not exactly as described" even if it's a minor 
> scratch, etc., that Paypal will refund their money and let the buyer keep 
> the item and not return it like they used to do a year or so ago and in the 
> past. Sellers are really getting screwed in this case. I know people that 
> will only sell any item over $2,000 on their website or some other way.
> 
> Everyone have a great day and those in Tucson, I hope it warms up for you.
> 
> All the best!
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Brian Cox
> 
> IMCA #6387 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[Brian Cox]

   p.s. Sorry, folks, on the Apollo Moon rock, I meant to also say that 
perhaps he's selling it for someone else, which seems to be common these 
days and he has no idea of the rules and regulations of Not owning or Not 
selling a NASA moon rock. Also, he may have been conned into buying it and 
believes it's a true moon rock and has no idea about any laws, and thinks 
it's legist. Either way, he probably needs some help, direction and needs 
explained that he is doing something illegal.


Take care,

Brian Cox
IMCA # 6387 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[Brian Cox]

p.s.s. I need to correct my previous statement about the refunds on eBay. I 
just called eBay and was told if an item is $50 or less, the eBay rep said 
they will pay the buyer the amount and let them keep the item, just to avoid 
time and hassles. This means eBay is footing the amount, and it doesn't come 
out of the seller's account.
So, basically as per the eBay rep, anything over $50 they still require it 
sent back and then when proof is given by the buyer such as a Post Office 
confirmation, then the refund is given. Now, I do want to make a statement 
here on behalf of the seller I know and several others who are into the 
15,000 to 30,000 range, that often they will get a package back, and it 
contains "ROCKS" or other "JUNK" and they have not been able to prove to 
eBay/PayPal that the buyer didn't send the item back since it's based on a 
confirmation or shipping number. Now, also, two of these friends will take a 
box returned by a seller directly to the Post Office and open it there at 
the window in front of a Post Office employee so they have a witness and I 
believe they may also then be able to file a complaint with the Post Office.


Just wanted to clear that since Carl alerted me to my statement about no 
returns and I wanted to clarify that.


Thanks,

Brian Cox
IMAC #6387 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[Steve Schoner]

Yes, Count, I remember that day in December two years ago when I won it.  My 
heart was beating fast as I watched the seconds go expecting this piece of tape 
jumping from hundreds to thousands in the last seconds.

2 seconds before closing I placed my bid...

I could not believe it... I sniped it for $451.00!

(BTW: The worst time to place items on Ebay is the Holidays, it is a buyer's 
market and a sellers loss.)

The "Moon Dust" tape and Documents of Authenticity from "Spaceflori" came on 
Dec 18th, 2009.  I spent days after looking at this tiny piece of tape under my 
microscope, amazed to see the spherical glass beads, green, orange, beige glass 
beads, other lunar dust particles, and even a few fibers of beta cloth from the 
glove that Neal Armstrong wore when he picked Magazine S from the surface of 
the moon. 

As for that piece of reputed "Apollo moon rock" on Ebay now... As I wrote 
before... Even a piece reputed to be from the Apollo program can be confiscated 
by NASA.  And the buyer should he or she win it, is not exempt from such 
confiscation either.

The seller is on dangerous legal ground.

Steve Schoner


-- Original Message --
From: Count Deiro 
To: Steve Schoner , meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: m...@miataylor.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 03:16:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00)

Hi Steve and List,

Thanks for posting the link to your very informative video. Congratulations on 
what must be one of the all time best "sniping" incidents on EBay. You do have 
the "real deal".

Listers might not know that the international auction house, Sothebys, 
auctioned dust from a Russian unmanned lunar mission. In 1970 the Soviet Union 
sent an automated sample-return mission to the moon and three fragments 
collected on this mission, weighing just 200 milligrams, were sold by Sotheby's 
Vice Chairman, David Redden, for $442.500.00. The sale was held in 1993, so in 
today's dollars we are probably talking near a million.

You lucky dog.

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

  


-Original Message-
>From: Steve Schoner 
>Sent: Feb 3, 2011 10:10 PM
>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
>
>As much as I know it is illegal to even present an item such as this rock on 
>Ebay as an authentic Apollo recovered moon rock.  Even if it is not, just to 
>state that it is is enough to have it confiscated by the U.S. Government.
>
>A case in point was a recent desk mount with a pen holder that had a molded 
>plastic transparent rock that supposedly had Apollo recovered lunar dust and 
>sand sized rock particles in it.  It was being auctioned at a major auction 
>house and was taken down when the U.S. Government confiscated it.  It was 
>tested and from what I recall returned to the owner(s)as it could not be 
>confirmed as authentic.
>
>And that was the end of that as a salable piece.
>
>However, the Terry Slezak Apollo 11 Moon Dust tape IS authentic.  And as much 
>as I know it is the only Apollo 11 lunar material that is available for the 
>public to own.  The entire poster board with the Moon dust tape,some foil from 
>the Apollo 11, the label from Magazine S that Armstrong dropped, a note that 
>Buzz Aldrin wrote on the moon, and the Apollo 11 crew signatures, was included 
>in an auction that Mr. Florian Noller won sometime in 2001. This tape was then 
>sectioned into small triangles, each having particles of moon dust on them, 
>which he then sold under his company "Spaceflori."
>
>It is the real deal.  I know because I won one of these Apollo "Moon Dust" 
>tape presentations on Ebay a few years ago.  I could not believe the low price 
>I won it at.  It was a real loss to the seller, but he honored the deal.  I 
>remember that it was brought up on this MetList and there was much doubt of 
>it's authenticity.  But I knew otherwise, having previously followed the sale 
>of the Slezak tape in a Space artifacts auction held 2001.
>
>Under a high power microscope there is no doubt in my mind that it is the real 
>thing.  I communicated with Mr. Noller in Germany and he remembered the person 
>that I obtained it from.  He was amazed at the  low price that I obtained it 
>in the Ebay auction, stating that Ebay is not the place to auction such 
>artifacts.
>
>Here is my Apollo 11 "Moon Dust" tape--- the real deal:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C3lPlmpoKo
>
>But...
>
>As for the suspected Apollo moon rock being offered on Ebay.  If NASA finds 
>out about the auction it will be taken down by court order if Ebay refuses.  
>That I do know.
>
>Steve Schoner
>
>
>
>It was in fact proven to have been presented to Mr. Slezak
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 20:35:21 -0500
>From: Michael Gilmer 
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
>To: Walter Branch 
>Cc: Meteorite-list List 
>Message-ID:
>   
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Hi Walt and L

Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[cdtucson]

Steve,
"Where is the beef"
Sure , we would all love to have what you have but , what is the difference 
between what you have and anybody else?
Say, I was the king of England and my good buddy the President of the USA gave 
me a genuine moon rock. And he did give away plenty.
I decide to sell it on EBay. 
Where is the law that says that is illegal?
And how does that differ from what you have?
Is it because you did not get caught buying yours? 
Why is it okay for you to buy moon material and not others?
Again, "show us the beef"? 
What exactly does the law state and how do you know this? Normally , when 
people make statements they want to  back them up with evidence? 
I believe you I just want to read it myself. And I'm quite sure you have piqued 
the interest of others as well.
Yes, I am home getting my frozen pipes replaced. Waiting for the B-bash 
tonight. 
Best regards,
Carl
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


 Steve Schoner  wrote: 
> Yes, Count, I remember that day in December two years ago when I won it.  My 
> heart was beating fast as I watched the seconds go expecting this piece of 
> tape jumping from hundreds to thousands in the last seconds.
> 
> 2 seconds before closing I placed my bid...
> 
> I could not believe it... I sniped it for $451.00!
> 
> (BTW: The worst time to place items on Ebay is the Holidays, it is a buyer's 
> market and a sellers loss.)
> 
> The "Moon Dust" tape and Documents of Authenticity from "Spaceflori" came on 
> Dec 18th, 2009.  I spent days after looking at this tiny piece of tape under 
> my microscope, amazed to see the spherical glass beads, green, orange, beige 
> glass beads, other lunar dust particles, and even a few fibers of beta cloth 
> from the glove that Neal Armstrong wore when he picked Magazine S from the 
> surface of the moon. 
> 
> As for that piece of reputed "Apollo moon rock" on Ebay now... As I wrote 
> before... Even a piece reputed to be from the Apollo program can be 
> confiscated by NASA.  And the buyer should he or she win it, is not exempt 
> from such confiscation either.
> 
> The seller is on dangerous legal ground.
> 
> Steve Schoner
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Count Deiro 
> To: Steve Schoner , 
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: m...@miataylor.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 03:16:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> 
> Hi Steve and List,
> 
> Thanks for posting the link to your very informative video. Congratulations 
> on what must be one of the all time best "sniping" incidents on EBay. You do 
> have the "real deal".
> 
> Listers might not know that the international auction house, Sothebys, 
> auctioned dust from a Russian unmanned lunar mission. In 1970 the Soviet 
> Union sent an automated sample-return mission to the moon and three fragments 
> collected on this mission, weighing just 200 milligrams, were sold by 
> Sotheby's Vice Chairman, David Redden, for $442.500.00. The sale was held in 
> 1993, so in today's dollars we are probably talking near a million.
> 
> You lucky dog.
> 
> Count Deiro
> IMCA 3536
> 
>   
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Steve Schoner 
> >Sent: Feb 3, 2011 10:10 PM
> >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
> >
> >As much as I know it is illegal to even present an item such as this rock on 
> >Ebay as an authentic Apollo recovered moon rock.  Even if it is not, just to 
> >state that it is is enough to have it confiscated by the U.S. Government.
> >
> >A case in point was a recent desk mount with a pen holder that had a molded 
> >plastic transparent rock that supposedly had Apollo recovered lunar dust and 
> >sand sized rock particles in it.  It was being auctioned at a major auction 
> >house and was taken down when the U.S. Government confiscated it.  It was 
> >tested and from what I recall returned to the owner(s)as it could not be 
> >confirmed as authentic.
> >
> >And that was the end of that as a salable piece.
> >
> >However, the Terry Slezak Apollo 11 Moon Dust tape IS authentic.  And as 
> >much as I know it is the only Apollo 11 lunar material that is available for 
> >the public to own.  The entire poster board with the Moon dust tape,some 
> >foil from the Apollo 11, the label from Magazine S that Armstrong dropped, a 
> >note that Buzz Aldrin wrote on the moon, and the Apollo 11 crew signatures, 
> >was included in an auction that Mr. Florian Noller won sometime in 2001. 
> >This tape was then sectioned into small triangles, each having particles of 
> >moon dust on them, which he then sold under his company "Spaceflori."
> >
> >It is the real deal.  I know because I won one of these Apollo "Moon Dust" 
> >tape presentations on Ebay a few years ago.  I could not believe the low 
> >price I won it at.  It was a real loss to the seller, but he honored the 
> >deal.  I remember that it was brought up on this MetList an

Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[Martin Altmann]

>The seller is on dangerous legal ground.

I doubt so.

Note, that Carl's "They"  (gosh, I vehemently argue that there is at all a
"they". Without the postulate of a "we" and a "they" no new Tea-party would
be possible).
well note that the auction of the adhesive tape with the Apollo dust in the
1980ies, was only possible, because the "They" saw no need for action, as
the dust was unauthenticated (well and in fact a pettiness).

...which in turn doesn't mean, that it isn't the real stuff.

Btw. parts of the tape you can still acquire at my friend Florian
"Spaceflori" Noller.
Just give me a hint, if you need to contact him.

Hence I doubt so, because that little cat litter specimen offered on ebay
is:  Nothing.

"confiscated by NASA." Probably rather by police or FBI in case.


Off now for the Munich meteorite dinner & bowling.

Nose cones vs. Shatter cones.

(In German bowling is called cone-ing - due to the conical shape of the
pins).

I'm thrilled to hear the stories of the bolide dropping calculators and
their hunting adventures of the first possible fall of the year here in
Germany.

Martin


PS.
St Carl, wasn't there also a terrestrial lunar analogs collection at
NASA then?
I guess your engineer mixed something up. Would be also somewhat un-good, if
even while nasty uncle Wernher didn't get any, as well as it took 40 years
until the heroes, who had risk their lives to set their feet on Moon
received a crumb - that then the guys from NASA said, hey Dude, you did a
good job, instead of the usual watch, here you have a piece of Moon, had
cost a quarter of million tax-money per gram to get it, have fun with it.
Btw. also an edition of casts of lunar rocks exists. Not to mention the
lunar soil simulants, still available for a few single bucks per pound.


  
 

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Yes, Count, I remember that day in December two years ago when I won it.  My
heart was beating fast as I watched the seconds go expecting this piece of
tape jumping from hundreds to thousands in the last seconds.

2 seconds before closing I placed my bid...

I could not believe it... I sniped it for $451.00!

(BTW: The worst time to place items on Ebay is the Holidays, it is a buyer's
market and a sellers loss.)

The "Moon Dust" tape and Documents of Authenticity from "Spaceflori" came on
Dec 18th, 2009.  I spent days after looking at this tiny piece of tape under
my microscope, amazed to see the spherical glass beads, green, orange, beige
glass beads, other lunar dust particles, and even a few fibers of beta cloth
from the glove that Neal Armstrong wore when he picked Magazine S from the
surface of the moon. 

As for that piece of reputed "Apollo moon rock" on Ebay now... As I wrote
before... Even a piece reputed to be from the Apollo program can be
confiscated by NASA.  And the buyer should he or she win it, is not exempt
from such confiscation either.

The seller is on dangerous legal ground.

Steve Schoner


-- Original Message --
From: Count Deiro 
To: Steve Schoner ,
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: m...@miataylor.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 03:16:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00)

Hi Steve and List,

Thanks for posting the link to your very informative video. Congratulations
on what must be one of the all time best "sniping" incidents on EBay. You do
have the "real deal".

Listers might not know that the international auction house, Sothebys,
auctioned dust from a Russian unmanned lunar mission. In 1970 the Soviet
Union sent an automated sample-return mission to the moon and three
fragments collected on this mission, weighing just 200 milligrams, were sold
by Sotheby's Vice Chairman, David Redden, for $442.500.00. The sale was held
in 1993, so in today's dollars we are probably talking near a million.

You lucky dog.

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

  


-Original Message-
>From: Steve Schoner 
>Sent: Feb 3, 2011 10:10 PM
>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
>
>As much as I know it is illegal to even present an item such as this rock
on Ebay as an authentic Apollo recovered moon rock.  Even if it is not, just
to state that it is is enough to have it confiscated by the U.S. Government.
>
>A case in point was a recent desk mount with a pen holder that had a molded
plastic transparent rock that supposedly had Apollo recovered lunar dust and
sand sized rock particles in it.  It was being auctioned at a major auction
house and was taken down when the U.S. Government confiscated it.  It was
tested and from what I recall returned to the owner(s)as it could not be
confirmed as a

Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[Steve Schoner]

Proof that NASA can seize Apollo Lunar material:

http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-092599a.html

There are some other cases as well.

Steve Schoner

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Martin,
Obviously this eBay auction is not genuine material.
But, everybody knows there is a lot of real material out there that was given 
away. The question is . How much? And in what form? One thing is certain. It 
was not distributed on an old piece of carpeting. The ones I have seen are very 
well displayed in resin along with a formal presentation. Nobody is saying 
exactly how many of these are actually out there but, I have seen one in 
private hands that was given to an engineer / manager at Raytheon. It is in a 
clear resin pyramid about an inch tall and is an actual pebble not just dust. 
What is disturbing to me is what I am hearing here that it is illegal to sell 
these gifts from NASA? And if you try NASA will seize them? I thought the only 
Government org that was allowed NOT to follow due process of the law was the 
IRS. Now , I am hearing that NASA has the same power as the IRS? I certainly 
hope not. Sure a court may grant some action that could stop these sales if it 
is in fact illegal but, I am surprised that a non-law enforce
 ment agency like NASA has that much power. This unless there is an actual law 
on the books. In which case becomes simply a matter of law enforcement. In 
which case any cop can seize the material. Until I see that law it seems to me 
that it is legal to sell this material if it is real and was obtained legally. 
Again, this eBay offering is clearly not real but, I would like to see the law 
in print that prohibits the sale of moon rocks. Anybody got a copy to share?

Thanks,
Carl
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[meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[JoshuaTreeMuseum]

I believe this is the only court case involving moon rocks:
http://www.collectspace.com/news/usvmoonrock.pdf


Phil Whitmer

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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[Steve Schoner]

Carl,

There is no "beef."  Florian Noller president of "Spaceflori" that purchased 
the Terry Slezak's lunar dust tape went through the legal ropes years ago.

And he did so to be on the up and up before he sectioned the tape for 
distribution through his company that is well known as a space artifacts seller.

Mr. Noller has also sold dust samples from other Apollo missions as well as the 
dust was on certain patches and also personal flight bags that the astronauts 
were allowed to keep, and this also includes the Terry Slezak tape.

So again there is no "beef" to eat.

But then again, here is one sample of "beef" if you want to chow down on it:

http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-092599a.html

A cursory search on the Internet will most likely reveal other such cases where 
NASA can confiscate Apollo lunar material-- fake or real.

Regards,
Steve Schoner

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Steve,
"Where is the beef"
Sure , we would all love to have what you have but , what is the difference 
between what you have and anybody else?
Say, I was the king of England and my good buddy the President of the USA gave 
me a genuine moon rock. And he did give away plenty.
I decide to sell it on EBay.
Where is the law that says that is illegal?
And how does that differ from what you have?
Is it because you did not get caught buying yours?
Why is it okay for you to buy moon material and not others?
Again, "show us the beef"?
What exactly does the law state and how do you know this? Normally , when 
people make statements they want to back them up with evidence?
I believe you I just want to read it myself. And I'm quite sure you have piqued 
the interest of others as well.
Yes, I am home getting my frozen pipes replaced. Waiting for the B-bash tonight.
Best regards,
Carl
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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[Michael Gilmer]

Hi Folks,

I am suspending all sales of Apollo Moon Rocks until further notice. ;)

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> I believe this is the only court case involving moon rocks:
> http://www.collectspace.com/news/usvmoonrock.pdf
>
>
> Phil Whitmer
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[meteorite-list] Live test from the SKY BAR - NOW!

[Ruben Garcia]

Hi all,

We are testing the live feed from the Sky Bar right now. This is the
location from where Geoff and Steve be hosting the Birthday Bash and
Nininger Awards  ( at 7 P.M. tonight)

Anyway take a look  - It's working great!
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/livevideofeed.htm


Take a look and send us a message via the chat feature. We could use
the feedback now!



Rock On!

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[meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[JoshuaTreeMuseum]

I couldn't find any specific statutes or codicils specifically prohibiting 
the ownership of Nasa moon rocks. I don't believe there is one. According to 
Wikipedia such a law doesn't exist. The Honduran case was about a customs 
violation. They might be able to get you on theft chages since the rocks are 
US gov't property.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_meteorite

Phil Whitmer 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Live test from the SKY BAR - NOW!

[John Gwilliam]

Just linked up to Ruben's live feed and it's working great.  This 
should set a new standard for technology with the meteorite community 
at the Tucson Show!!!


Best,
John Gwilliam

At 11:13 AM 2/4/2011, Ruben Garcia wrote:

Hi all,

We are testing the live feed from the Sky Bar right now. This is the
location from where Geoff and Steve be hosting the Birthday Bash and
Nininger Awards  ( at 7 P.M. tonight)

Anyway take a look  - It's working great!
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/livevideofeed.htm


Take a look and send us a message via the chat feature. We could use
the feedback now!



Rock On!

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Re: [meteorite-list] Live test from the SKY BAR - NOW!

[Ruben Garcia]

Hi all,

we had 20 people from all over the world say it was good!  see ya tonight!

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, John Gwilliam  wrote:
> Just linked up to Ruben's live feed and it's working great.  This should set
> a new standard for technology with the meteorite community at the Tucson
> Show!!!
>
> Best,
> John Gwilliam
>
> At 11:13 AM 2/4/2011, Ruben Garcia wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We are testing the live feed from the Sky Bar right now. This is the
>> location from where Geoff and Steve be hosting the Birthday Bash and
>> Nininger Awards  ( at 7 P.M. tonight)
>>
>> Anyway take a look  - It's working great!
>> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/livevideofeed.htm
>>
>>
>> Take a look and send us a message via the chat feature. We could use
>> the feedback now!
>>
>>
>>
>> Rock On!
>>
>> Ruben Garcia
>>
>> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
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>
> John Gwilliam
>
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> and go through life thinking they hit a triple.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[cdtucson]

Well there we have it.
This case showed that the material was obtained illegally and therefore seized 
and forfeited by our US Government.
But, it does not apply to sales of Moon material that were obtained legally. 
Statute 19 USC. 
As is the case with some of the ones given by President Nixon. The one I saw 
was given by NASA as a retirement gift and therefore obtained legally. So, it 
could be sold. Maybe?? Still no actual copy of the stated law to read?.
Steve's references returned the material. That tells me sales are okay. Why 
else would they have returned it? Granted the Gov could not prove it was from 
the Moon and therefore was returned to owner. The one I saw was also in resin 
also  so, it too could not be proven to be from the moon either. Even though it 
was exactly like the one in this case referenced in Phil's post.
So, I still do not see where it is actually illegal to own or sell legally 
obtained Moon material. Even rocks. 
BTW, The expression where's the beef refers to where's the proof. 
So, Where is the proof? 
This case Phil references seems to me  could apply to illegally imported 
meteorites and would allow the US Gov. to seize them legally? 
Scary! If the "No innocent owner clause" does not apply to meteorites you 
cannot claim ignorance? . 
Carl
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> I believe this is the only court case involving moon rocks:
> http://www.collectspace.com/news/usvmoonrock.pdf
> 
> 
> Phil Whitmer
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[meteorite-list] We just miss a nice new fall.

[Darren Garrison]

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/02/04/breaking-sofa-sized-asteroid-gives-us-a-close-shave/
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[meteorite-list] 2011 CQ1 will transit the sun

[Matson, Robert D.]

I posted the following to their blog:

"What's particularly interesting about the path of 2011 CQ1 is that it
will transit the sun as seen from a narrow swath across the Pacific
Ocean,
Chile, Argentina and the south Atlantic. Unfortunately, the transit path
is south of all the big observatories in Chile, and the asteroid itself
will only subtend at most a couple tenths of an arcsecond. Buenos Aires
and Montevideo are on the transit path. Bill Gray has (very rapidly!)
put together a transit map for South America at this link:

http://www.projectpluto.com/cq1a.png 
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[meteorite-list] Laws and Lunar-cy

[David R. Vann]

A careful reading of entries in the Congressional Record would support the
following:

All specimens brought back from the Apollo missions are owned by the U.S.
Government, and are under the purview of NASA. Some few samples were given out
during that period as 'good will' gifts. These were to other governments, and
their whereabouts are largely known. The sample given to the Honduran gov. ended
up in private hands. Samples given to astronauts in honor of their service
cannot be sold by the astronaut, nor their heirs. If the family no longer wants
the sample, it can be 'loaned' to a museum, or returned to NASA. ALL samples
loaned out or 'donated' by NASA are *technically* still theirs, and remain under
their purview. They can be recalled at any time for 'research ' purposes.
Nowhere is there a specific statute saying it is illegal to own lunar samples.
It is, however, illegel to posses someone else's stuff. Consequently, we don't
need a staute explicitly limiting your possession of samples that are legally
owned by NASA. Ergo, unless there there is a clear legal trail (such as for the
camera cartridge dust), there are no samples of lunar material out there that
you can lay claim to. 
A friend/colleague of mine worked on the Apollo samples back when. He indicates
that it is not inconceivable that someone 'removed' tiny pieces that  went
unaccounted for in the all the chemical, etc. analyses done back then, but
things were pretty tight. Any such pieces are essentially untraceable and un
-provenanced (if such is a word). And, if it can be proved that it is a real
lunar sample, NASA can take it back, as it would have been obtained under false
pretenses, i.e. theft.

So, there is a law, it says you can't take other's stuff. The legislature did
not a need to write another law that says, you can't take NASA's stuff. But,
what's NASA's is NASA's, and they can take it back from you if you have it.




David R. Vann, Ph.D.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[Michael Gilmer]

"This case Phil references seems to me  could apply to illegally
imported meteorites and would allow the US Gov. to seize them legally?
Scary! If the "No innocent owner clause" does not apply to meteorites
you cannot claim ignorance? "

Simple solution to that problem - when the government shows up to look
at your meteorites, pull all the labels off of them.  Then they won't
be able an NWA from a Texas H-chondrite.  No location info, no case.

Best regards,

MikeG


On 2/4/11, cdtuc...@cox.net  wrote:
> Well there we have it.
> This case showed that the material was obtained illegally and therefore
> seized and forfeited by our US Government.
> But, it does not apply to sales of Moon material that were obtained legally.
> Statute 19 USC.
> As is the case with some of the ones given by President Nixon. The one I saw
> was given by NASA as a retirement gift and therefore obtained legally. So,
> it could be sold. Maybe?? Still no actual copy of the stated law to read?.
> Steve's references returned the material. That tells me sales are okay. Why
> else would they have returned it? Granted the Gov could not prove it was
> from the Moon and therefore was returned to owner. The one I saw was also in
> resin also  so, it too could not be proven to be from the moon either. Even
> though it was exactly like the one in this case referenced in Phil's post.
> So, I still do not see where it is actually illegal to own or sell legally
> obtained Moon material. Even rocks.
> BTW, The expression where's the beef refers to where's the proof.
> So, Where is the proof?
> This case Phil references seems to me  could apply to illegally imported
> meteorites and would allow the US Gov. to seize them legally?
> Scary! If the "No innocent owner clause" does not apply to meteorites you
> cannot claim ignorance? .
> Carl
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>
>  JoshuaTreeMuseum  wrote:
>> I believe this is the only court case involving moon rocks:
>> http://www.collectspace.com/news/usvmoonrock.pdf
>>
>>
>> Phil Whitmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[Steve Schoner]

Upon looking at this auction again, I am now suspecting that this sample might 
be the real thing.  That label appears to be a NASA control label specific to 
space materials, which in this case is the supposed "moon rock."

My question now is this... There appears to be a small photo of the specimen in 
question on this control label. If so, that would further define this specimen 
as authentic.

Could this be a research specimen that somehow escaped government control?

Something to think about.

But all said, with the legal aspects of legit ownership, I would be reluctant 
to bid on it...

Steve Schoner 

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Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:51:48 -0500

Steve,
"Where is the beef"
Sure , we would all love to have what you have but , what is the difference 
between what you have and anybody else?
Say, I was the king of England and my good buddy the President of the USA gave 
me a genuine moon rock. And he did give away plenty.
I decide to sell it on EBay. 
Where is the law that says that is illegal?
And how does that differ from what you have?
Is it because you did not get caught buying yours? 
Why is it okay for you to buy moon material and not others?
Again, "show us the beef"? 
What exactly does the law state and how do you know this? Normally , when 
people make statements they want to  back them up with evidence? 
I believe you I just want to read it myself. And I'm quite sure you have piqued 
the interest of others as well.
Yes, I am home getting my frozen pipes replaced. Waiting for the B-bash 
tonight. 
Best regards,
Carl
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 Steve Schoner  wrote: 
> Yes, Count, I remember that day in December two years ago when I won it.  My 
> heart was beating fast as I watched the seconds go expecting this piece of 
> tape jumping from hundreds to thousands in the last seconds.
> 
> 2 seconds before closing I placed my bid...
> 
> I could not believe it... I sniped it for $451.00!
> 
> (BTW: The worst time to place items on Ebay is the Holidays, it is a buyer's 
> market and a sellers loss.)
> 
> The "Moon Dust" tape and Documents of Authenticity from "Spaceflori" came on 
> Dec 18th, 2009.  I spent days after looking at this tiny piece of tape under 
> my microscope, amazed to see the spherical glass beads, green, orange, beige 
> glass beads, other lunar dust particles, and even a few fibers of beta cloth 
> from the glove that Neal Armstrong wore when he picked Magazine S from the 
> surface of the moon. 
> 
> As for that piece of reputed "Apollo moon rock" on Ebay now... As I wrote 
> before... Even a piece reputed to be from the Apollo program can be 
> confiscated by NASA.  And the buyer should he or she win it, is not exempt 
> from such confiscation either.
> 
> The seller is on dangerous legal ground.
> 
> Steve Schoner
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: Count Deiro 
> To: Steve Schoner , 
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: m...@miataylor.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 03:16:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
> 
> Hi Steve and List,
> 
> Thanks for posting the link to your very informative video. Congratulations 
> on what must be one of the all time best "sniping" incidents on EBay. You do 
> have the "real deal".
> 
> Listers might not know that the international auction house, Sothebys, 
> auctioned dust from a Russian unmanned lunar mission. In 1970 the Soviet 
> Union sent an automated sample-return mission to the moon and three fragments 
> collected on this mission, weighing just 200 milligrams, were sold by 
> Sotheby's Vice Chairman, David Redden, for $442.500.00. The sale was held in 
> 1993, so in today's dollars we are probably talking near a million.
> 
> You lucky dog.
> 
> Count Deiro
> IMCA 3536
> 
>   
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Steve Schoner 
> >Sent: Feb 3, 2011 10:10 PM
> >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
> >
> >As much as I know it is illegal to even present an item such as this rock on 
> >Ebay as an authentic Apollo recovered moon rock.  Even if it is not, just to 
> >state that it is is enough to have it confiscated by the U.S. Government.
> >
> >A case in point was a recent desk mount with a pen holder that had a molded 
> >plastic transparent rock that supposedly had Apollo recovered lunar dust and 
> >sand sized rock particles in it.  It was being auctioned at a major auction 
> >house and was taken down when the U.S. Government confiscated it.  It was 
> >tested and from what I recall returned to the owner(s)as it could not be 
> >confirmed as authentic.
> >
> >And that was the end of that as a salable piece.
> >
> >However, the Terry Slezak Apollo 11 Moon Dust tape IS authentic.  And as 

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> Hi all,
>
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>
> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, John Gwilliam  wrote:
>> Just linked up to Ruben's live feed and it's working great.  This should
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>>
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>>
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>>>
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>>>
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The name of the game

Be the 10th Lister to email me off the List with the correct answer and you 
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Question:
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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[Steve Schoner]

Not so and there is no need to de-label your lunars because the government 
might confiscate them.

But... Should you re-label them as authentic Apollo 11-17 recovered lunar 
samples and attempt to sell them as such...

Then you will have some legal issues with NASA and the law to deal with.

In fact I think there was one case where a person tried this and wound up in a 
whole nest of legal trouble.

Steve Schoner


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"This case Phil references seems to me could apply to illegally
imported meteorites and would allow the US Gov. to seize them legally?
Scary! If the "No innocent owner clause" does not apply to meteorites
you cannot claim ignorance? "

Simple solution to that problem - when the government shows up to look
at your meteorites, pull all the labels off of them. Then they won't
be able an NWA from a Texas H-chondrite. No location info, no case.

Best regards,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[tett]

Not so fast.  That label is distributed freely to many equipment and 
material suppliers to JPL and other NASA affiliates.  I received a bunch 
of those stickers when I was developing a fan used on the International 
Space Station.  I now have that sticker on my telescope case.


Just because he shows the stone with the label does not turn that stone 
into lunar material.


Again, I will bet this is bogus.

Cheers!

tett

 On 04/02/2011 3:34 PM, Steve Schoner wrote:

Upon looking at this auction again, I am now suspecting that this sample might be the 
real thing.  That label appears to be a NASA control label specific to space materials, 
which in this case is the supposed "moon rock."

My question now is this... There appears to be a small photo of the specimen in 
question on this control label. If so, that would further define this specimen 
as authentic.

Could this be a research specimen that somehow escaped government control?

Something to think about.

But all said, with the legal aspects of legit ownership, I would be reluctant 
to bid on it...

Steve Schoner

-- Original Message --
From:
To: Steve Schoner, countde...@earthlink.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:51:48 -0500

Steve,
"Where is the beef"
Sure , we would all love to have what you have but , what is the difference 
between what you have and anybody else?
Say, I was the king of England and my good buddy the President of the USA gave 
me a genuine moon rock. And he did give away plenty.
I decide to sell it on EBay.
Where is the law that says that is illegal?
And how does that differ from what you have?
Is it because you did not get caught buying yours?
Why is it okay for you to buy moon material and not others?
Again, "show us the beef"?
What exactly does the law state and how do you know this? Normally , when 
people make statements they want to  back them up with evidence?
I believe you I just want to read it myself. And I'm quite sure you have piqued 
the interest of others as well.
Yes, I am home getting my frozen pipes replaced. Waiting for the B-bash tonight.
Best regards,
Carl
--
Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax


 Steve Schoner  wrote:

Yes, Count, I remember that day in December two years ago when I won it.  My 
heart was beating fast as I watched the seconds go expecting this piece of tape 
jumping from hundreds to thousands in the last seconds.

2 seconds before closing I placed my bid...

I could not believe it... I sniped it for $451.00!

(BTW: The worst time to place items on Ebay is the Holidays, it is a buyer's 
market and a sellers loss.)

The "Moon Dust" tape and Documents of Authenticity from "Spaceflori" came on 
Dec 18th, 2009.  I spent days after looking at this tiny piece of tape under my microscope, amazed 
to see the spherical glass beads, green, orange, beige glass beads, other lunar dust particles, and 
even a few fibers of beta cloth from the glove that Neal Armstrong wore when he picked Magazine S 
from the surface of the moon.

As for that piece of reputed "Apollo moon rock" on Ebay now... As I wrote 
before... Even a piece reputed to be from the Apollo program can be confiscated by NASA.  
And the buyer should he or she win it, is not exempt from such confiscation either.

The seller is on dangerous legal ground.

Steve Schoner


-- Original Message --
From: Count Deiro
To: Steve Schoner, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: m...@miataylor.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 03:16:12 -0800 (GMT-08:00)

Hi Steve and List,

Thanks for posting the link to your very informative video. Congratulations on what must be one of 
the all time best "sniping" incidents on EBay. You do have the "real deal".

Listers might not know that the international auction house, Sothebys, 
auctioned dust from a Russian unmanned lunar mission. In 1970 the Soviet Union 
sent an automated sample-return mission to the moon and three fragments 
collected on this mission, weighing just 200 milligrams, were sold by Sotheby's 
Vice Chairman, David Redden, for $442.500.00. The sale was held in 1993, so in 
today's dollars we are probably talking near a million.

You lucky dog.

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536




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From: Steve Schoner
Sent: Feb 3, 2011 10:10 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

As much as I know it is illegal to even present an item such as this rock on 
Ebay as an authentic Apollo recovered moon rock.  Even if it is not, just to 
state that it is is enough to have it confiscated by the U.S. Government.

A case in point was a recent desk mount with a pen holder that had a molded 
plastic transparent rock that supposedly had Apollo recovered lunar dust and 
sand sized rock particles in it.  It was being auctioned at a major auction 
house and was tak

Re: [meteorite-list] Laws and Lunar-cy

[cdtucson]

David,
Not to beat a dead horse but, we are talking about legal precedents here.
How can you (NASA) give something away and have it still "technically" be 
theirs"? I know you are talking about  Congress so, these absurd scenario's 
exist but, really? They still own it? I seriously doubt that would hold up in 
court. Isn't  that "Indian Giving"? Did these recipients including foreign Govs 
and top execs sign something to that effect? I think not. If I were on the jury 
in that trial I would have to tell our Government to { well you know what I 
mean}. I know they restrict sales of a lot of things but, restricting ownership 
of something they gave you is ridiculous. But again, it does sound like 
something our mental midgets in Congress would do and say.  Sorry.
Carl
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 "David R. Vann"  wrote: 
> 
> A careful reading of entries in the Congressional Record would support the
> following:
> 
> All specimens brought back from the Apollo missions are owned by the U.S.
> Government, and are under the purview of NASA. Some few samples were given out
> during that period as 'good will' gifts. These were to other governments, and
> their whereabouts are largely known. The sample given to the Honduran gov. 
> ended
> up in private hands. Samples given to astronauts in honor of their service
> cannot be sold by the astronaut, nor their heirs. If the family no longer 
> wants
> the sample, it can be 'loaned' to a museum, or returned to NASA. ALL samples
> loaned out or 'donated' by NASA are *technically* still theirs, and remain 
> under
> their purview. They can be recalled at any time for 'research ' purposes.
> Nowhere is there a specific statute saying it is illegal to own lunar samples.
> It is, however, illegel to posses someone else's stuff. Consequently, we don't
> need a staute explicitly limiting your possession of samples that are legally
> owned by NASA. Ergo, unless there there is a clear legal trail (such as for 
> the
> camera cartridge dust), there are no samples of lunar material out there that
> you can lay claim to. 
> A friend/colleague of mine worked on the Apollo samples back when. He 
> indicates
> that it is not inconceivable that someone 'removed' tiny pieces that  went
> unaccounted for in the all the chemical, etc. analyses done back then, but
> things were pretty tight. Any such pieces are essentially untraceable and un
> -provenanced (if such is a word). And, if it can be proved that it is a real
> lunar sample, NASA can take it back, as it would have been obtained under 
> false
> pretenses, i.e. theft.
> 
> So, there is a law, it says you can't take other's stuff. The legislature did
> not a need to write another law that says, you can't take NASA's stuff. But,
> what's NASA's is NASA's, and they can take it back from you if you have it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[Martin Altmann]

>Where is the law that says that is illegal?

You can sell, whatever you want, as long as you're the legal owner of it.

So you don't need a special law,
because no private person - aside from the mentioned dust from the equipment
of the Apollo mission -
ever became legal owner of an Apollo rock.

Plain & simple.

Skol!
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Steve,
"Where is the beef"
Sure , we would all love to have what you have but , what is the difference
between what you have and anybody else?
Say, I was the king of England and my good buddy the President of the USA
gave me a genuine moon rock. And he did give away plenty.
I decide to sell it on EBay.
Where is the law that says that is illegal?
And how does that differ from what you have?
Is it because you did not get caught buying yours?
Why is it okay for you to buy moon material and not others?
Again, "show us the beef"?
What exactly does the law state and how do you know this? Normally , when
people make statements they want to back them up with evidence?
I believe you I just want to read it myself. And I'm quite sure you have
piqued the interest of others as well.
Yes, I am home getting my frozen pipes replaced. Waiting for the B-bash
tonight.
Best regards,
Carl
-- 
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Meteoritemax





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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[cdtucson]

Martin,
Had you been following this thread you would know that their has yet to be a 
court case to determine whether a private individual may or may not legally own 
an Apollo lunar rock.  Steve and Phil have both pointed out such cases where 
two different people have claimed to own and tried to sell their Lunar 
material. One lost the case on the basis of import laws and the other on the 
basis that they could not analysis the rock in resin so, they still got to keep 
their rock. 
In addition I have personally seen yet another of these resin examples owned by 
a retired Raytheon manager. I have held it in my own hands. To bad I did not 
carry a camera at the time. But it does exist. It has also been stated that 
their are no records of these giveaways. Who knows how many of them are out 
there. 
So, there is nothing plain and simple about it. Yet.
sorry.
Carl
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 Martin Altmann  wrote: 
> >Where is the law that says that is illegal?
> 
> You can sell, whatever you want, as long as you're the legal owner of it.
> 
> So you don't need a special law,
> because no private person - aside from the mentioned dust from the equipment
> of the Apollo mission -
> ever became legal owner of an Apollo rock.
> 
> Plain & simple.
> 
> Skol!
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
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> Steve,
> "Where is the beef"
> Sure , we would all love to have what you have but , what is the difference
> between what you have and anybody else?
> Say, I was the king of England and my good buddy the President of the USA
> gave me a genuine moon rock. And he did give away plenty.
> I decide to sell it on EBay.
> Where is the law that says that is illegal?
> And how does that differ from what you have?
> Is it because you did not get caught buying yours?
> Why is it okay for you to buy moon material and not others?
> Again, "show us the beef"?
> What exactly does the law state and how do you know this? Normally , when
> people make statements they want to back them up with evidence?
> I believe you I just want to read it myself. And I'm quite sure you have
> piqued the interest of others as well.
> Yes, I am home getting my frozen pipes replaced. Waiting for the B-bash
> tonight.
> Best regards,
> Carl
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[meteorite-list] Asteroid 2011 CQ1 Makes Close Earth Approach on February 4, 2011

[Ron Baalke]

  
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news170.html

Very Small Asteroid Makes Close Earth Approach on February 4, 2011
Don Yeomans and Paul Chodas
NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
February 4, 2011

[diagram]

Asteroid 2011 CQ1 was discovered by the Catalina Sky Survey on February 4 
and made a record close Earth approach 14 hours later on February 4 at
19:39 UT (14:39 EST). It passed to within 0.85 Earth radii (5480 km) of
the Earth's surface over a region in the mid-Pacific. This object, only
about one meter in diameter, is the closest non-impacting object in our
asteroid catalog to date. Prior to the Earth close approach, this object
was in a so-called Apollo-class orbit that was mostly outside the
Earth's orbit. Following the close approach, the Earth's gravitational
attraction modified the object's orbit to an Aten-class orbit where the
asteroid spends almost all of its time inside the Earth's orbit.

As is evident from the diagram, the close Earth approach changed the
asteroid's flight path by about 60 degrees. Because of their small size,
object's of this size are difficult to discover but there is likely to
be nearly a billion objects of this size and larger in near-Earth space
and one would expect one to strike Earth's atmosphere every few weeks on
average. Upon striking the atmosphere, small objects of this size create
visually impressive fireball events but only rarely do even a few small
fragments reach the ground.

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[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: January 31 - February 4, 2011

[Ron Baalke]

MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
January 31 - February 4, 2011

o Linear Ridges (31 January 2011)
  http://themis.asu.edu/node/5565

o Dunes (01 February 2011)
  http://themis.asu.edu/node/5566

o Kaiser Crater Dunes (02 February 2011)
  http://themis.asu.edu/node/5567

o Bahram Vallis (03 February 2011)
  http://themis.asu.edu/node/5568

o Dunes (04 February 2011)
  http://themis.asu.edu/node/5569


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 



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Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?

[Martin Altmann]

Hi Carl,

That isn't the question, because:

In most states of laws,
the transfer of ownership can only happen, if a person acquires a thing from a 
person, who was the rightful owner before.
So it's not the question of import laws, if the sample of Honduras was stolen.
Or whether a sample can be authenticated to be from the Apollo missions.

Neither your strange manager, if his supposed Apollo piece is real, if he 
received it not officially from the government of the United States, even not 
if the president himself had given it to him, is an owner,
neither the ebay-clown is an owner, if an NASA-employee "unofficially" as he 
writes had given an Apollo sample to that other guy because he got a daughter. 
(Hey how many workers were occupied with the Apollo project and how many of 
them became father... I guess, we have to send a lot of astronauts more to the 
Moon, if they all should get a piece).

And come on, Carl,
None of us could even think about selling a REAL rock from Moon,
if we hadn't something better to state, than... yah a friend of mine got once 
something from another friend, who was once working there and there, and from 
this working place he unofficially took something, and now, I showed it to 
someone, who said, oh it's from Moon. And because I'm so modest, I ask not 10k$ 
but only 5k$ from you and ebay is the right place to offer it.
Good morning!

Ridiculous.

And btw. I guess there is no long-term-meteorite-dealer on this list, who 
hadn't received yet offers from various sides to buy "authentic" Apollo and 
Luna-material.

In these old movies from the 1930ies, the jerks sell always the Brooklyn bridge 
to stupid immigrants...

But quiet now,
I have to make the purchase of my lifetime now.

"This meteorite containing iron might be from Diablo Crater in Arizona. 
http://www.meteorite.com/meteor_crater/
most likely contains Iron 92%, Nickel 7.1%, Cobalt .50%, Gallium 80 ppm,* 
Germanium 320ppm, Iridium 2ppm, Platinum 8ppm.results may vary or be 
none-existent item may contain unknown minerals
the meteorite has weird cracks which most likely took place outside the solar 
system"

Yah if the seller says so, it must be the real McCoy,
He asks only $751,200.00 for that cool piece of 1 inch diameter.

Or shall I maybe take that first U.S.-Lunar?
The description sounds more convincing:

"I found this in my rock collection, stuff from about 15-20 years ago. I’ve 
strained to recall where I got it, but it is just a stray from one of my 3 
trips in the 90’s, all in the US, but unfortunately all thrown into one box. I 
do know that none of these trips were to breccia fields, I was hunting 
artifacts at the time. It may have been in Texas.

It has an UNCANNY RESEMBLANCE to a few Dhofars, wouldn’t you say?!?

This stone has a very faint magnetic spot near that beautiful top clast! (N40 
magnet found it; one photo shows it barely holding there). Of course, NO 
BRECCIAS from earth look like this. They have much more gravity to their order 
than this."

And:

"The price-setting is as it should be for a truly anomalous stone from the 
United States of America, that can for now visually pair with the Dhofar set."

Right so. It has 17 grams and costs only 0,75 million $.

Ooooh, the Campell County Gillette meteorite is reduced this week, from 150k$ 
to only 111k$.

"This thing is huge and weighs probably close to 60 pounds.   It is 
approximately 18" wide, 8" high, and 12" across. My late father found it on the 
160-acre homesteaded ranch near Gillette, Wyoming.  The title to the property 
read the name of the Indian chief, the United States Government, and then his 
folk's name, seriously.  Anyway, while wandering every acre in his youth, he 
found a cigar box full of original arrowheads.  And some rattlesnake rattles.  
And this rock.  It was part of a larger group of similar rocks, burrowed into 
the landscape.  I do not know a meteorite from a parking-meter, so you experts 
help me out.  What is this?  How much is it worth?  It remains unauthenticated 
and unclassified.  Should I take it to the Colorado School of Mines?  To whom?

It is priced arbitrarily, based on the show from the History Channel."


And RARE CERTIFIED MARTHA'S VINEYARD, MASS. METEORITE
DOCUMENTED AND CERTIFIED RARE METEORITE
Is getting cheaper every month, now only 11,600$.

"A FUSION CRUST OUTER PIECE OF THE "MARTHA'S VINEYARD METEORITE FALL". IT IS 
DOCUMENTED AND CERTIFIED AND IS INSURABLE. FOUND ON THE VINEYARD IN 2005 THIS 
PIECE CONTAINS 54 EARTH ELEMENTS AND HAS BEEN CERTIFIED BY A HARVARD 
MINERALOLOGIST. IT WOULD MAKE ONE OF THE RAREST AND MOST EXPENSIVE PAPERWEIGHTS 
OF EVER. A TEN PAGE CERTIFIED SUMMARY REPORT IS INCLUDED IN THE SALE. NOT 
SHOWN. WEIGHT 237 G, DENSITY 4.21"

That is more convincing than the Apollo rock description.


Good night!
Martin




-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: cdtuc...@cox.net [mailto:cdtuc...@cox.net] 
Gesendet: Samstag, 5. Februar 2011 01:28
An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list@meteorit

Re: [meteorite-list] Live test from the SKY BAR - NOW!

[fallingfusion]

Did we just loose the feed guys?

Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

-Original Message-
From: Ruben Garcia 
Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 11:56:29 
To: John Gwilliam
Cc: Meteorite List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Live test from the SKY BAR - NOW!

Hi all,

we had 20 people from all over the world say it was good!  see ya tonight!

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, John Gwilliam  wrote:
> Just linked up to Ruben's live feed and it's working great.  This should set
> a new standard for technology with the meteorite community at the Tucson
> Show!!!
>
> Best,
> John Gwilliam
>
> At 11:13 AM 2/4/2011, Ruben Garcia wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We are testing the live feed from the Sky Bar right now. This is the
>> location from where Geoff and Steve be hosting the Birthday Bash and
>> Nininger Awards  ( at 7 P.M. tonight)
>>
>> Anyway take a look  - It's working great!
>> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/livevideofeed.htm
>>
>>
>> Take a look and send us a message via the chat feature. We could use
>> the feedback now!
>>
>>
>>
>> Rock On!
>>
>> Ruben Garcia
>>
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> Regards,
>
> John Gwilliam
>
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> and go through life thinking they hit a triple.
>                                             [Bob Dylan]
>



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[meteorite-list] Birthday Bash

[Thomas Webb]

Happy birthday to Geoff and Steve and many thanks to Ruben for putting the live 
feed together.  It was fun!
My best,
Thomas


  
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[meteorite-list] Full Circle With Correo

[Robert Woolard]

Hi List,

  I hope you will indulge me with regard to this email concerning a 
full-circle, or pay-it-forward, moment I was so happy to be a small part of. 

  Back in early December, I was contacted by a self-described "amateur weekend 
meteorite hunter" named Del Waterbury. He explained that he had read a post I 
made to the List in 2002 about the Correo strewnfield, and my August, 2007 
Meteorite magazine article, "Let's Go, Correo!". He said that he had wanted to 
hunt there, but was not having much luck in finding any helpful info concerning 
the details of the strewnfield, such as size or orientation. He very politely 
asked me if I would mind helping him.

  How could I refuse? Especially when I was in his place, 16 years ago, when I 
contacted two veteran Correo hunters, Robert Haag and Steve Schoner, asking 
them for help with the same questions. As they did for me, I happily shared 
anything I knew about the site. Del graciously thanked me for my help and said 
he would send me an email after the hunt with all the details of the result. 

  Well, tonight I received a very nice email from Del. I was thrilled to see 
that he actually was successful. In only one day of hunting, he found 2 
fragments of Correo!  The first was a 5 grammer, and very close by, a 2 gram 
specimen. True to his word, Del sent me photos of his finds, along with his 
appreciation for my help. That certainly made my day. And... he provided me the 
opportunity to "pay-it-forward"... "it" being the kindness that I had been 
shown all those years ago. 

  Correo is not the same place it was 16 years ago. There were only a handful 
of scattered house back then. A major section of the strewnfield is now 
occupied by a small community! I had wished Del the best earlier, but deep down 
I felt the odds were against him. But Del came thru. He went and he found!

  I am very humbled and thankful to Del for sharing the excitement of his 
finds, and for giving me the chance to come full circle with Correo. And, 
thanks to you, Steve and Robert, for starting this whole process to begin 
with.  

  Sincerely,
  Robert Woolard

         











  
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Re: [meteorite-list] We are Streaming Live!

[Mark Bowling]

Kudos to Ruben, that was a blast!  Thanks for all the hard work to him and the 
others who set up and managed the live streaming & chat!  It added a whole new 
dimension to the party!  It was a packed house too!  I'm now looking forward to 
the auction Saturday night and John Blennert's talk on Gold Basin (and for the 
quiet room so I can chat with everyone more comfortably...).

And last but not least, happy birthday to the stars of "Meteorite Men"!  Thanks 
for hosting the excellent party and awards!!

Mark B. (with ringing ears)
resting in Vail, AZ



From: Ruben Garcia 
To: Meteorite List 
Sent: Fri, February 4, 2011 4:56:58 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] We are Streaming Live!

Hi all,

We are here early making sure everything is working for tonights
Birthday Bash and Harvey Awards. Come join us as we will be live until
the end. We're here for the duration!

Come in watch and chat!
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/livevideofeed.htm


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Re: [meteorite-list] We are Streaming Live!

[meteorhntr]

Mark,

Thanks for the shout out.  And a big thanks to Ruben for the time and effort he 
brought to bring our little "shin dig" to all those that couldn't make it out 
this year.

We are so blessed to be a part of this great community.  

A huge congrats goes out to this year's Harvey Award winners.  You are always 
the "stars" of the show.  

And now I can't wait for the auction tomorrow night.

See you all tomorrow night.

Steve
Of Meteorite Men


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Mark Bowling 
Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 21:52:57 
To: Ruben Garcia; Meteorite 
List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] We are Streaming Live!

Kudos to Ruben, that was a blast!  Thanks for all the hard work to him and the 
others who set up and managed the live streaming & chat!  It added a whole new 
dimension to the party!  It was a packed house too!  I'm now looking forward to 
the auction Saturday night and John Blennert's talk on Gold Basin (and for the 
quiet room so I can chat with everyone more comfortably...).

And last but not least, happy birthday to the stars of "Meteorite Men"!  Thanks 
for hosting the excellent party and awards!!

Mark B. (with ringing ears)
resting in Vail, AZ



From: Ruben Garcia 
To: Meteorite List 
Sent: Fri, February 4, 2011 4:56:58 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] We are Streaming Live!

Hi all,

We are here early making sure everything is working for tonights
Birthday Bash and Harvey Awards. Come join us as we will be live until
the end. We're here for the duration!

Come in watch and chat!
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/livevideofeed.htm


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Re: [meteorite-list] We are Streaming Live!

[Matthew Martin]

It was great to see it live, IN PERSON for the first time!  Mahalo to  
Ruben and the crew for broadcasting it and to Steve and Geoff for  
hosting a great Birthday Bash!  I'm looking forward to one more day of  
visiting showrooms and talking story with everyone.


Aloha!

Matt Martin
Meteorite Treasures
Kaneohe, Hawaii

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Re: [meteorite-list] We are Streaming Live!

[dave carothers]

Many thanks to Ruben for broadcasting the Birthday Bash.  It was the next 
best thing to actually being there.


A big Happy Birthday to Geoff and Steve.  May you both have many, many more.

Regards,

Dave Carothers

- Original Message - 
From: "Ruben Garcia" 

To: "Meteorite List" 
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 6:56 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] We are Streaming Live!



Hi all,

We are here early making sure everything is working for tonights
Birthday Bash and Harvey Awards. Come join us as we will be live until
the end. We're here for the duration!

Come in watch and chat!
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/livevideofeed.htm


--
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Ruben Garcia

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Re: [meteorite-list] Full Circle With Correo

[aerubin]

An interesting aside:  Correo and Suwanee Spring were the first  
meteorites I classified.  I went looking for more specimens one hot  
summer day back in 1979 or 1980 but found nothing.

Alan Rubin

Quoting Robert Woolard :


Hi List,

  I hope you will indulge me with regard to this email concerning a  
full-circle, or pay-it-forward, moment I was so happy to be a small  
part of.


  Back in early December, I was contacted by a self-described  
"amateur weekend meteorite hunter" named Del Waterbury. He explained  
that he had read a post I made to the List in 2002 about the Correo  
strewnfield, and my August, 2007 Meteorite magazine article, "Let's  
Go, Correo!". He said that he had wanted to hunt there, but was not  
having much luck in finding any helpful info concerning the details  
of the strewnfield, such as size or orientation. He very politely  
asked me if I would mind helping him.


  How could I refuse? Especially when I was in his place, 16 years  
ago, when I contacted two veteran Correo hunters, Robert Haag and  
Steve Schoner, asking them for help with the same questions. As they  
did for me, I happily shared anything I knew about the site. Del  
graciously thanked me for my help and said he would send me an email  
after the hunt with all the details of the result.


  Well, tonight I received a very nice email from Del. I was  
thrilled to see that he actually was successful. In only one day of  
hunting, he found 2 fragments of Correo!  The first was a 5 grammer,  
and very close by, a 2 gram specimen. True to his word, Del sent me  
photos of his finds, along with his appreciation for my help. That  
certainly made my day. And... he provided me the opportunity to  
"pay-it-forward"... "it" being the kindness that I had been shown  
all those years ago.


  Correo is not the same place it was 16 years ago. There were only  
a handful of scattered house back then. A major section of the  
strewnfield is now occupied by a small community! I had wished Del  
the best earlier, but deep down I felt the odds were against him.  
But Del came thru. He went and he found!


  I am very humbled and thankful to Del for sharing the excitement  
of his finds, and for giving me the chance to come full circle with  
Correo. And, thanks to you, Steve and Robert, for starting this  
whole process to begin with. 


  Sincerely,
  Robert Woolard

         












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