[meteorite-list] AD: E. Cohen - METEORITENKUNDE (3 Vol)
Dear listmembers: Author is E. Cohen Title is METEORITENKUNDE (3 Vol) Book is written in German Publisher: Schweizerbart-Sche Verlag, Stuttgart, 1894 Vol I pp xiii + 340, Vol II pp 419, Vol III pp 302. Seldom seen German treatise on all aspects of meteorites includes a chapter on artificial meteorites. Rare. I am asking for 1300 $ Shipping Handling: Shipping is as follows $10.00 in the USA and international. If you are in doubt please email with questions. cu, Gegenschein -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 22, 2011
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sedimentary Martian Meteorites
I would think the answer to your question is simpler than the science trying to explain why we do not have this material in our possession. The stones in questions are more likely unrecognized, particularly if there is a lack of fusion crust. Reference our own understanding (recognition) of meteorites 50 years ago and 100 years ago. Our knowledge base has expanded substantially and continues to improve (evolve) as more material is studied. For those of you who have seen hundreds or thousands of meteorites and compare those observations to the meteorite identification checklists that can be found commonly, you know that the atypical exists everywhere. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Walter Branch Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 7:57 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Sedimentary Martian Meteorites Hello Steve, Carl and List, Thanks very much for the comments. I am at a distinct disadvantage, not having a background in geology so please bear with me. I understand exothermic processes but... The oldest sedimentary rocks are found in various places such as Greenland, Hudson Bay in northern Quebec, Western Australia, etc. These rocks are billions of years old, yet they are still recognized as sedimentary rocks. Why? Should they not have disappeared long ago? Would you say these rocks were never exposed to heat, water or weathering? I would think that traveling through space, where obviously no terrestrial weathering occurs, potential Martian sedimentary rocks would not undergo weathering until they landed on Earth which would be on the order of millions of years ago. Much more recent than the oldest Earth sedimentary rocks. It may very well be that the reason we don't have any Martian sedimentary rocks in our collections (scientific and otherwise) is because they have all weathered away or at least to the point where we would not recognize them as being Martian, or even meteoritic, in origin. Yes, I have looked at Dr. Irving's site. http://www.imca.cc/mars/martian-meteorites.htm It's a great site and is on my favorites list but he doesn't speculate as to why we have no Martian sedimentary rocks, which is what I am most interested in. -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Japanese Tsunami relief effort auction is ending on Ebay . Sale Ad - proceeds to Japanese Red Cross
Hi, I would like to remind everyone that my fundraiser on ebay to benefit Japan is ending today. I have one Moapa Valley CM1 thin section and one .7 gram piece up for grabs. All proceeds will be donated to the Red Cross of Japan to help with disaster relief efforts. Moapa Valley is one of only two CM1's that have been recovered outside of Antarctica. There are only 13 CM 1 pieces recovered by Ansmet in Antarctica with a total weight of 132.75 grams. Those pieces will never be available to the private collector. This is a true opportunity to add a rare meteorite to your collection. Not to mention a chance to help the people of Japan who have gone through such a terrible disaster. Thanks, Sonny www.nevadameteorites.com http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=130497937816#ht_500wt_1156 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=130497940095#ht_500wt_1156 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sedimentary Martian Meteorites
David, Walter, list, I think you may be right here. Maybe they have no fusion crust. Perhaps my link to the artificial meteorite study did not work so here it is again; http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Stone_6_Artificial_Meteorite_Shows_Martian_Impactors_Could_Carry_Traces_Of_Life_999.html It clearly states as a matter of fact that sedimentary rocks either had a white crust or no crust at all when put to the test. So, if this is the science speaking. Why should we expect anything but white crust or No crust at all? This suggests that the only way a Scientist is going to be willing to spend their time on anything like this is if they are paid to do it. So far Nobody is actually paid to do it. I have been told this by professors themselves. That they do meteorite classifications as a side job and only if they want to. As a case in point. I showed a well known lunar expert a cut and polished stone. I told him that many people in the meteorite field have seen this stone and all believe it to be of Lunar origin. He looked closely at it with a loop and said; it does look like a lunar. It has a good 50% chance of it being Lunar But, I have NO interest in classifying it. Call Dolores. That is an exact quote. I emailed Dolores and Dolores does not respond to my emails or phone messages. I was told by her husband that she too has no incentive to classify even Lunar's. He went on to say that they can apply for federal money (grants) after a meteorite is authenticated but NOT before. So, maybe down the road they may be able to get paid to study the rock but, Not until later. In her defense she is super busy with the MESSENGER Mercury mission and from what I understand will be for quite some time. This is a very sad story. Why doesn't NASA fund this? I mean we talk about NASA's great accomplishments in space yet they seem to ignore the freebies found here on Earth. And finally the other problem is access. Politics plays a huge role in classification. There are certain people who get rock star treatment when it comes to hot finds while others are ignored. Sure , high profile players should get the attention of scientists but, I'm told others are actually being blackballed by scientists? So, again I say. put politics aside by giving scientists an incentive with cash and I think we will find sedimentary meteorites in a hurry. If it's true that meteorites have their own ranges of chemistry and if it's true that they can be charted and graphed by scientists like Randy Korotev as documented evidence that they are purported to be. If it plots on the chart correctly then that is proof it is Lunar and if it does not plot that is proof it is not. Then, I see Blain Reed's XRF gun as a great aid to Scientists. Here he has an opportunity to weed out the bad prospects and document the chemistry of the good ones. The ones that do plot on those very exclusive charts and graphs should be looked at with priority. But, even with having all the right chemistry and all the right minerals. We still need Oxygen isotopes done to clinch the deal. This is not available to the public. So, we still need to convince Scientists that what we have may be a meteorite. As a hunter for 23 years I know that there are a lot of odd and out of place rocks out there. So hopefully some day we can overcome all of these problems. I think money is the answer. Carl Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax David Norton renov8hot...@earthlink.net wrote: I would think the answer to your question is simpler than the science trying to explain why we do not have this material in our possession. The stones in questions are more likely unrecognized, particularly if there is a lack of fusion crust. Reference our own understanding (recognition) of meteorites 50 years ago and 100 years ago. Our knowledge base has expanded substantially and continues to improve (evolve) as more material is studied. For those of you who have seen hundreds or thousands of meteorites and compare those observations to the meteorite identification checklists that can be found commonly, you know that the atypical exists everywhere. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Walter Branch Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 7:57 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Sedimentary Martian Meteorites Hello Steve, Carl and List, Thanks very much for the comments. I am at a distinct disadvantage, not having a background in geology so please bear with me. I understand exothermic processes but... The oldest sedimentary rocks are found in various places such as Greenland, Hudson Bay in northern Quebec, Western Australia, etc. These rocks are billions of years old, yet they are still recognized as sedimentary rocks. Why? Should they not have disappeared long ago? Would you say these
Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System
Very well said. True words of wisdom and I couldn't agree more. Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: Rob McCafferty rob_mccaffe...@yahoo.com To: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Mar 21, 2011 10:24 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System The nature of this list means that I am certainly preaching to the converted but I'll have my say anyway. Research and discovery for it's own sake is uniquely human. It is true that it costs a lot of money but we all know it's very little in the grand scheme. As a gross oversimplification of things, mathematicians find out how numbers play, physicists work out a practical application for the maths, engineers find something useful to do with the maths and EVENTUALLY, through the sheer endeavour of it all and the processes we go through, the whole of humanity benefits. It's a similar story is for all sciences. We shouldn't necessarily be doing things with a view to long term benefit. We should do it because we are human. The long term benefits will come by virtue of us having achieved the remarkable. Rob McC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Auctions Ending - Low Prices!
Dear List Members, I have many great items ending at auction today. The bid prices are extremely low right now so take a look if you have time. This may be a great opportunity to pick up some serious bargains since 54 items were all started out at just 99 cents with no reserves.. Link to all auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team Lunar Rock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Central American Strewn Field ( Mayanites )
Anyone planning to go to Belize, be careful! You will fall in love with the Western part of the country! San Ignacio is fantastic!! My wife and I spent a week there, at the Windy Hill Resort. The Hales, that own and run the resort, are from Louisiana. You'll find everything you need. Close to the Guatemala border and Tikal. That area is safe, clean and a true joy to visit. Unfortunately, last spring, there was no word about Tektites. Might talk my wife into a revisit. With or without Tektites, It is a Wonderful place to visit. Have a Great Day, All! Dennis Miller Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:57:56 -0500 From: oxytropidoce...@cox.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New Central American Strewn Field ( Mayanites ) In Mayanites- a New Tektite Strewnfield, at http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2011-March/074793.html and http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg95857.html Scott Johnson wrote: Hi Brian That is quite interesting news about a new tektite strewnfield up by Chaa creek there on the western edge of Belize. The web site, which he cited is A New American Strewn Filed discovered in western Belize by Jean H. Cornec, Geologist, September 2010, at: http://www.chaacreek.com/belize-travel-blog/2010/09/a-new-tektite-strewn-field-discovered-in-western-belize/ A recent online abstract about this strewn field is: Povenmire, H., R. S. Harris, and J. H. Cornec, 2011, The New Central American Tektite Strewn Field. 42nd Lunar and Planetary Science Conference. abstract no. 1224, 1 p. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2011/pdf/1224.pdf http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2011/pdf/sess809.pdf A previous abstract is: Izett, G. A., and G. P. Meeker, 1995, (super 40) Ar/ (super 39) Ar age and composition of tektites from Belize. Geological Society of America Abstracts with Programs. vol. 27, no. 6, p. 207. Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Brazilian last fall Varre-Sai slices available
Hello all, I have a limited number of wire saw profissionally cut slices of the last 2010 Brazilian fall. First people to buy will also receive a local newspaper bought on the city with the fall report. I have written a report about this fall on this address: http://www.meteorito.com.br/meteoritos.php?action=viewpg=20ct=vdidT=2 Pictures on request. Email me: mouti...@bol.com.br Best, Andre IMCA #2731 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - eBay Tsunami Relief Benguerir Heart
Good Afternoon Listmembers, I had listed a small Benguerir part slice on eBay to benefit the Japan Earthquake and Tsunami Relief Fund. Starting price is only $3 (!!) and there are no bids yet. Auction ends in ~8 hrs. (!!) I do realize this is a small part slice, but please put into consideration that 100% of the proceeds go to charity. In times of such an extensive disaster, every little bit counts. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=270720775284ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT Thank you for your consideration. All the best, Ryan Pawelski __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-Whitecourt irons w/ find coords export permits
Aloha, I have some Whitecourt IIIAB iron meteorites from Alberta, Canada for sale. All specimens come with their find coordinates, export permits and free shipping by USPS (International) First Class mail. Mahalo, http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/whitecourt.html Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: **** 354g Allende ****
http://marzmeteorite.tripod.com/eb/MOV06305.MPG Already have a lot of offers on this museum specimen, so I'm only accepting offers better than $12/gram! If you really want this one, you'll have to think big with your best-offer in order to separate yourself from the rest of the pack. The only problem with this specimen is that it's too much in demand. I know, that by placing this offer on the List, I'm going to bruise the feelings of several of my good friends who had their hearts set on acquiring this big beauty. But, if this causes any more strain on my relationships, I just may have to withdraw this offer. Because I don't have a desperate need to sell this collection centerpiece. And there's no doubt in my mind, that once I let this classic go, I'll never find another one to take its place. Not one of this size! Certainly, not one with a UNM-IOM label and a La Paz painted number on it! So, make your offer soon, before I come to my senses and change my mind. Bob V. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sedimentary Martian Meteorites
Hiho, I think we will find sedimentary meteorites in a hurry. Why do you think so? To me it seems even not so easy and trivial to find a normal Martian meteorite. There are only 56 among the 10,000-20,000 different meteorites known. And among the 40,000-100,000+++ stones and fragments picked up in Antarctica, only 25 stones or so were Martians.(of 15 different). Falls...1200+ observed falls - all the same 4 came down. On the whole North American continent only 1 Martian was found so far. (and 1 in an old collection). Hence if Martian sediments were only as numerous as normal Martian meteorites, it would be quite a difficult task. (I'm living in an area of the World, where even the recovery of an ordinary chondrite is quite a sensation). So I guess, you simply have to have some patience. All the very recent 15 years so many unusual and whack stones were found and classified to be meteorites, which no mortal would have picked up suspecting them to be meteoritic, therefore we fully can trust in all the hundreds of anonymous true experts combing the Sahara, the not so anonymous expert hunters in Oman and in the campaigns on the blue icefields. If there are sedimentary meteorites, they will find them. Precondition is only, that you allow the people to hunt. If you have something e.g. like in Australia then of course it is impossible to find a sedimentary one, because then even something not so rare like a CV3 or an EUC is exponentially more seldom found, says the Bulletin, then elsewhere the Martians or the Lunars. That's the only problem, where politics plays a role. (But don't worry such a mediaeval or pre-modern position like current Australian meteoritics presents, is rather a position of scientific outcasts.) I read somewhere, that the upper crust of Earth consists of rocks. Methodically it would make not so much sense to measure them all, whether they are of meteoritic origin. And everyone who has a webpage about meteorites can tell you a thing or two about how many hundreds of alleged meteorites the people offload on each of them each year. Juuust a little patience. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von cdtuc...@cox.net Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. März 2011 18:00 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; 'Walter Branch'; David Norton Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Sedimentary Martian Meteorites David, Walter, list, I think you may be right here. Maybe they have no fusion crust. Perhaps my link to the artificial meteorite study did not work so here it is again; http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Stone_6_Artificial_Meteorite_Shows_Martian _Impactors_Could_Carry_Traces_Of_Life_999.html It clearly states as a matter of fact that sedimentary rocks either had a white crust or no crust at all when put to the test. So, if this is the science speaking. Why should we expect anything but white crust or No crust at all? This suggests that the only way a Scientist is going to be willing to spend their time on anything like this is if they are paid to do it. So far Nobody is actually paid to do it. I have been told this by professors themselves. That they do meteorite classifications as a side job and only if they want to. As a case in point. I showed a well known lunar expert a cut and polished stone. I told him that many people in the meteorite field have seen this stone and all believe it to be of Lunar origin. He looked closely at it with a loop and said; it does look like a lunar. It has a good 50% chance of it being Lunar But, I have NO interest in classifying it. Call Dolores. That is an exact quote. I emailed Dolores and Dolores does not respond to my emails or phone messages. I was told by her husband that she too has no incentive to classify even Lunar's. He went on to say that they can apply for federal money (grants) after a meteorite is authenticated but NOT before. So, maybe down the road they may be able to get paid to study the rock but, Not until later. In her defense she is super busy with the MESSENGER Mercury mission and from what I understand will be for quite some time. This is a very sad story. Why doesn't NASA fund this? I mean we talk about NASA's great accomplishments in space yet they seem to ignore the freebies found here on Earth. And finally the other problem is access. Politics plays a huge role in classification. There are certain people who get rock star treatment when it comes to hot finds while others are ignored. Sure , high profile players should get the attention of scientists but, I'm told others are actually being blackballed by scientists? So, again I say. put politics aside by giving scientists an incentive with cash and I think we will find sedimentary meteorites in a hurry. If it's true that meteorites have their own ranges of chemistry and if it's true that they can be charted and graphed by scientists like Randy Korotev
[meteorite-list] Alternatives Have Begun in Bid to Hear from Spirit
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-087 Alternatives Have Begun in Bid to Hear from Spirit Jet Propulsion Laboratory March 18, 2011 PASADENA, Calif. -- Hopes for reviving NASA's Spirit Mars rover dimmed further with passage last week of the point at which the rover's locale received its maximum sunshine for the Martian year. The rover team has tried to contact Spirit for months with strategies based on the possibility that increasing energy availability might wake the rover from hibernation. The team has now switched to communication strategies designed to address more than one problem on the rover. If no signal is heard from Spirit in the next month or two, the team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., will shift to single-rover operations, continuing to operate Spirit's active twin, Opportunity. The commands we are sending starting this week should work in a multiple-fault scenario where Spirit's main transmitter is no longer working and the mission clock has lost track of time or drifted significantly, said JPL's John Callas, project manager for Spirit and Opportunity. Spirit landed on Mars Jan. 4, 2004 Universal Time (Jan. 3, Pacific Time) for a mission designed to last for three months. After accomplishing its prime-mission goals, Spirit worked for more than five years in bonus-time extended missions. Spirit has not communicated since March 22, 2010. Power output from its solar array had been waning prior to that, and the rover had been expected to go into a low-power hibernation mode. With drive motors on two of its six wheels no longer working, Spirit had been unable in preceding months to maneuver much in its sand-trap location. The rover could not get to a favorable tilt for its solar panels as Martian winter approached. During the Martian winter with most heaters turned off, Spirit experienced colder internal temperatures than in any of its three previous winters on Mars. The cold could have damaged any of several electronic components that, if damaged, would prevent reestablishing communication with Spirit. However, attempts to regain contact have continued for more than eight months in the possibility that the seasonal increase in solar energy available at Spirit's location would revive the rover. NASA's Deep Space Network of antennas in California, Spain and Australia has been listening for Spirit daily. The rover team has also sent commands to elicit a response from the rover even if the rover has lost track of time, or if its receiver has degraded in frequency response. The available solar energy at Spirit's site was estimated to peak on March 10. Revised commanding began March 15, including instructions for the rover to be receptive over UHF relay to hailing from the Mars orbiters for extended periods of time and to use a backup transmitter on the rover. Spirit and Opportunity both have made important discoveries about wet environments on ancient Mars that may have been favorable for supporting microbial life. Opportunity landed three weeks after Spirit. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov 2011-087 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dawn Opens its Eyes, Checks its Instruments
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-089 Dawn Opens its Eyes, Checks its Instruments Jet Propulsion Laboratory March 21, 2011 After a hibernation of about six months, the framing cameras on board NASA's Dawn spacecraft have again ventured a look into the stars. The spacecraft also powered up its visible and infrared mapping spectrometer, which investigates surface mineralogy, and the gamma ray and neutron detector, which detects elemental composition. The reactivation prepares the instruments for the May approach and July arrival at Vesta, Dawn's first port of call in the asteroid belt. Last week, we gently 'woke up' Dawn's three science instruments, which typically spend most of their time sleeping during the three-and-a-half-year journey to Vesta, said Robert Mase, Dawn project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. This activity confirms that Dawn is on track for the first close examination of one of the last unexplored worlds of the inner solar system. The framing camera activities were led by scientists from the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany. The camera system is working flawlessly. The dry run was a complete success, said Andreas Nathues, lead investigator for the framing camera, based at the Institute. The international team of Dawn scientists and engineers in Germany and the United States spent three days interacting with the camera system, confirming the excellent health of the mechanical and electrical components and updating the software. In the months to come, the camera system will provide images needed to navigate the spacecraft to its rendezvous with Vesta, and will begin to image the asteroid's surface. These early images on approach will be the start of a campaign to systematically map Vesta's surface in detail and will provide tantalizing clues as to its mineralogical composition. In addition, the framing cameras will search for moons in Vesta's vicinity and look for evidence of past volcanic activity. The full release on the framing camera from Max Planck is available at: http://www.mps.mpg.de/en/aktuelles/pressenotizen/pressenotiz_20110321.html . The Dawn mission to Vesta and Ceres is managed by the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. The Dawn mission is part of the Discovery Program managed by NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala. UCLA is responsible for overall Dawn mission science. The framing cameras have been developed and built under the leadership of the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany, with significant contributions by DLR German Aerospace Center, Institute of Planetary Research, Berlin, and in coordination with the Institute of Computer and Communication Network Engineering, Braunschweig. The framing camera project is funded by the Max Planck Society, DLR, and NASA. The visible and infrared mapping spectrometer was provided by the Italian Space Agency and is operated by Italy's National Institute for Astrophysics in collaboration with Galileo Avionica, where it was built. The gamma ray and neutron detector was built by Los Alamos National Laboratory and is operated by the Planetary Science Institute, Tucson, Ariz. Jia-Rui C. Cook 818-354-0850 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. jia-rui.c.c...@jpl.nasa.gov Birgit Krummheuer 011 49 5556 979 462 Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany krummhe...@msp.mpg.de 2011-089 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK) iron meteorite fall required
Hi all, Does anyone have a copy of the following paper by Walter Flight: 'Report of an Examination of the Meteorites of Cranbourne, Australia; of Rowton, Shropshire; and of Middlesbrough, in Yorkshire' published by the Royal Society of London Any help much appreciated! Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sedimentary Martian Meteorites
Martin, You ask; Why do I think so? Its simple. We know they are there. If people were paid to study all rocks found in Antarctica and all of the other way way out of place rocks. Then they would not be overlooked as they are today. The truth is that many rocks collected even from ice fields are later rejected and deemed meteorwrongs. They are being rejected particularly if they have NO fusion crust or odd chemistries. I have seen obvious meteorites that are rejected because they don't fit neatly into the stuff we already know. If NASA would pay our Scientists to follow through on some of these prospects, I am sure some of them would be verified. The best example that comes to mind is D'Orbigny. It was totally rejected for a long time and by a lot of different people including NASA folks. I think Darryl said, Had it been recognized, he would be the one living well in Oregon today. Well, luckily someone was paid enough to take the time to further study it and to me. It is one of the most spectacular meteorite I've ever seen. That is the point. If we are to find sedimentary meteorites. We need to begin to study odd rocks found out of place that have no fusion crust. It is clear from the only science we have that sedimentary rocks have either white crusts or no crust at all. To that point. I guarantee you right now that there is not a meteorite scientist on this planet today that would bother to study a rock without crust. Just ask them. Any of them. Ask them if they would study a rock without crust and I guarantee they would say NO. I mean why should they? There are enough rocks with crust that are obvious. So, why bother with rocks that are likely going to be wrongs? Do the math. Unless and until these people are properly paid to possibly waste their own valuable time, they are simply not going to do it. So, that is why I say. Once we begin to pay these people to study any and all out of place rocks we will never find any sedimentary meteorites. Because they will likely have no fusion crust. These rocks will continue to be pigeon holed into categories of the wrongs. This crust issue could start a whole new argument of it's own but, our Science shows that crust falls off. Especially on this type of stone. I am not knocking our Scientists at all. In fact I respect them. That is why I say. NASA needs to pay them . We know there has to be sedimentary meteorites just as we know their must be life elsewhere. We have the ability to find the one but, the other may take time. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: Hiho, I think we will find sedimentary meteorites in a hurry. Why do you think so? To me it seems even not so easy and trivial to find a normal Martian meteorite. There are only 56 among the 10,000-20,000 different meteorites known. And among the 40,000-100,000+++ stones and fragments picked up in Antarctica, only 25 stones or so were Martians.(of 15 different). Falls...1200+ observed falls - all the same 4 came down. On the whole North American continent only 1 Martian was found so far. (and 1 in an old collection). Hence if Martian sediments were only as numerous as normal Martian meteorites, it would be quite a difficult task. (I'm living in an area of the World, where even the recovery of an ordinary chondrite is quite a sensation). So I guess, you simply have to have some patience. All the very recent 15 years so many unusual and whack stones were found and classified to be meteorites, which no mortal would have picked up suspecting them to be meteoritic, therefore we fully can trust in all the hundreds of anonymous true experts combing the Sahara, the not so anonymous expert hunters in Oman and in the campaigns on the blue icefields. If there are sedimentary meteorites, they will find them. Precondition is only, that you allow the people to hunt. If you have something e.g. like in Australia then of course it is impossible to find a sedimentary one, because then even something not so rare like a CV3 or an EUC is exponentially more seldom found, says the Bulletin, then elsewhere the Martians or the Lunars. That's the only problem, where politics plays a role. (But don't worry such a mediaeval or pre-modern position like current Australian meteoritics presents, is rather a position of scientific outcasts.) I read somewhere, that the upper crust of Earth consists of rocks. Methodically it would make not so much sense to measure them all, whether they are of meteoritic origin. And everyone who has a webpage about meteorites can tell you a thing or two about how many hundreds of alleged meteorites the people offload on each of them each year. Juuust a little patience. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im
Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK) iron meteorite fall required
I wouldn't mind a copy as well! On 23 Mar 2011, at 00:14, e-mail ensoramanda wrote: Think I read through the report...or some of it... just before I visited the Cranbourne strewnfield lastwill try and remember where and attempt to track it down again. Cheers, Graham On 22 March 2011 20:53, martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Does anyone have a copy of the following paper by Walter Flight: 'Report of an Examination of the Meteorites of Cranbourne, Australia; of Rowton, Shropshire; and of Middlesbrough, in Yorkshire' published by the Royal Society of London Any help much appreciated! Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK) ironmeteorite fall required
Go to the following link, select page 885, and you should be able to read the article on line. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k55978m/f961.image.r=philosophical+transactions+royal+society+1881.langEN Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts Briarcliff Manor, NY USA http://meteoritemanuscripts.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/MetManuscripts http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Meteorite-Manuscripts/152949358073543?v=wall - Original Message - From: Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc To: e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK) ironmeteorite fall required I wouldn't mind a copy as well! On 23 Mar 2011, at 00:14, e-mail ensoramanda wrote: Think I read through the report...or some of it... just before I visited the Cranbourne strewnfield lastwill try and remember where and attempt to track it down again. Cheers, Graham On 22 March 2011 20:53, martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Does anyone have a copy of the following paper by Walter Flight: 'Report of an Examination of the Meteorites of Cranbourne, Australia; of Rowton, Shropshire; and of Middlesbrough, in Yorkshire' published by the Royal Society of London Any help much appreciated! Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] News video, link about arrest in oman
http://www.kvoa.com/news/2-arizona-rock-stars-imprisoned-in-oman-tell-their-story/#comments They got our names mixed up, but other than that, a pretty good report, of course missing about 99% of what we said, but hey, better than nothing. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD-Whitecourt irons w/ find coords export
Beautiful Specimens Gary, I'll give them a look over and decide later if I can part with any bills for you for my section of the house marked Big Kahuna Meteorites. thanks for the link, Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: **** 354g Allende ****
Bob, That's a beautiful Allende I do admit. Problem is, I just don't have room for it. Also, I only have one kidney and don't want to sell the other for another meteorite. Good luck with it. Would love to keep it in one piece, but someone just might cut it up and sell it into smaller specimens. All the best, Cheers, Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK) iron meteorite fall required
Is the Rowton meteorite distributed?Wouldn't mind a bit. Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sedimentary Martian Meteorites
Ya but Carl, I know for example, that like everywhere else also in Germany meteorites lie around - they are there, but nobody has a chance to find them. And I think I can calm you, look here for instance: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2011/pdf/2371.pdf There the main mass of NWA 4925 is depicted, the stone had zero fusion crust (an enormous terrestrial age) and a thick whitish-grey rind around. Or even more extreme: NWA 4485 - a thick white rind all around. http://www.meteoris.de/img/lun-mms/NWA4485a.jpg Such stones are picked up in desert, they're acquired by people, who think, they could be meteorites and are brought to the labs, and the scientists accept them as candidates and analyze them. So obviously that system works. I chose those two examples, because those are extremely atypical and extremely rare meteorites, where also the usual tests like e.g. a magnet doesn't work. One is a shergottite, the other a KREEP-bearing lunar. In general, all of the major dealers and hunters have often to handle stones without any fusion crust, because they are fragments or because the crust has weathered away. Or stones, covered with desert varnish, which befalls all types of rocks, not only meteorites. Look at these - in the field they are looking like the opposite of a meteorite, in the very hand until then no expert would have supposed them to be meteoritic and even cut they didn't look like meteorites: http://www.haberer-meteorite.de/DSCN0036.jpg Nevertheless they were recovered, they were picked up, they were analyzed - and are now lunars. Btw. - that's why I have the opinion, that it is of urgent interest for science to actively advocate private meteorite hunting, collecting and trade - or at least not to suppress it. Because I fear such stones else wouldn't be found or identified. On all university expeditions ever carried out in history - outside of Antarctica with its special conditions - so far only a single piece of a lunar was found, SaU 169 in Oman, which was easily identifiable, because it had black crust and was looking like a typical meteorite: http://www.meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/lm_sau160a.jpg And where alone in Oman, the private hunters recovered in the same years 22 different lunars in 100-200 pieces. And the same: all official non-Antarctic undertakings resulted in the find on one single Martian stone, which was a late additional find of a Martian, whereof the private hunters had recovered before more than 10 kgs. That isn't meant disparagingly, it's only to demonstrate, what seems to be necessary, that atypical and rare meteorites can be recovered at all. The scientists in the hot desert seem not to be able to spend the necessary manhours and/or they are not so well trained/experienced for the very particular job of recovering such stones. (Finances would be a minor problem, if you compare the expenses of the private hunters with the fund used for official hunters). So if it once will be granted, that those, who can do it best, can continue their work, then I personally wouldn't worry much, that too exotic types of meteorites would remain unrecognized. They were found and they will be found. And else, what you wish, it is not practicable. I got the recent years so many stones showed, where the people who found them, were so convinced, that they must be meteorites, and if they had really no properties of meteorites, that they must be a new type and so many insisted, that they would have to be measured and analyzed, that you could occupy two university departments for many years with only proving that these stone are terrestrial. Which institute was it, which offered to take a look on all stones sent in, whether they could be meteorites? We had the photo here once on the list, with cubic yards of parcels. And you have to understand, those Space and Geoscience departments are no service industry to tell to people, whether their stones are something or not, but they shall do mineralogy, space science and planetology! It would be a horrible waste of resources - of lab equipment and highly-qualified people, if their main occupation would be to test myriads of non-meteorite-looking terrestrial stones, in the vague hope that one day one of them could turn out to be a very special space rock. Therefore I think, it's better to wait, until those, who have as main profession the recovery of possible meteorites, will bring them such a stone or until something like that will be found in Antarctica or until a fireball smashes something like that directly in front of our feet. And if that will have happened, then it's easier, because then we all know what to look for. Patience, patience. (We all do the best we can :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: cdtuc...@cox.net [mailto:cdtuc...@cox.net] Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. März 2011 23:54 An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re:
Re: [meteorite-list] News video, link about arrest in oman
Good report... chilling description by Robert. Eric On 3/22/2011 3:40 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: http://www.kvoa.com/news/2-arizona-rock-stars-imprisoned-in-oman-tell-their-story/#comments They got our names mixed up, but other than that, a pretty good report, of course missing about 99% of what we said, but hey, better than nothing. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required
Great link, Mark The French equivalent of the Library of Congress. Frankly surprised to see this, in English, there... The document (or part) can be downloaded (icon on the top right) A pop-up window will appear, be sure to check this box here: (= I agree not to use this document for any commercial purpose) Please respect this waiver. Pour une réutilisation non commerciale du contenu En cochant cette case, je reconnais avoir pris connaissance des conditions d'utilisation non commerciale et je les accepte and you will have to wait some time depending on your internet connection Good luck ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:48 AM To: Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Go to the following link, select page 885, and you should be able to read the article on line. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k55978m/f961.image.r=philosophical+transactions+royal+society+1881.langEN Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts Briarcliff Manor, NY USA http://meteoritemanuscripts.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/MetManuscripts http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Meteorite-Manuscripts/152949358073543?v=wall __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required
Yes, it is one of the few places on the web that has all of the older Philsophical Transactions. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Great link, Mark The French equivalent of the Library of Congress. Frankly surprised to see this, in English, there... The document (or part) can be downloaded (icon on the top right) A pop-up window will appear, be sure to check this box here: (= I agree not to use this document for any commercial purpose) Please respect this waiver. Pour une réutilisation non commerciale du contenu En cochant cette case, je reconnais avoir pris connaissance des conditions d'utilisation non commerciale et je les accepte and you will have to wait some time depending on your internet connection Good luck ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:48 AM To: Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Go to the following link, select page 885, and you should be able to read the article on line. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k55978m/f961.image.r=philosophical+transactions+royal+society+1881.langEN Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts Briarcliff Manor, NY USA http://meteoritemanuscripts.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/MetManuscripts http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Meteorite-Manuscripts/152949358073543?v=wall __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required
Thanks Mark ! I have been enjoying your links in the past year. I didn't know the BNF had the Philosophical Transactions ! Btw, here are other archives, you might know already... http://www.archive.org/ Thanks again ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:31 AM To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Yes, it is one of the few places on the web that has all of the older Philsophical Transactions. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Great link, Mark The French equivalent of the Library of Congress. Frankly surprised to see this, in English, there... The document (or part) can be downloaded (icon on the top right) A pop-up window will appear, be sure to check this box here: (= I agree not to use this document for any commercial purpose) Please respect this waiver. Pour une réutilisation non commerciale du contenu En cochant cette case, je reconnais avoir pris connaissance des conditions d'utilisation non commerciale et je les accepte and you will have to wait some time depending on your internet connection Good luck ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:48 AM To: Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Go to the following link, select page 885, and you should be able to read the article on line. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k55978m/f961.image.r=philosophical+transactions+royal+society+1881.langEN Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts Briarcliff Manor, NY USA http://meteoritemanuscripts.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/MetManuscripts http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Meteorite-Manuscripts/152949358073543?v=wall __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required
Not may people know about the BNF. Guess I gave away one of my secrets :-) Thanks for the nice words. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Thanks Mark ! I have been enjoying your links in the past year. I didn't know the BNF had the Philosophical Transactions ! Btw, here are other archives, you might know already... http://www.archive.org/ Thanks again ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:31 AM To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Yes, it is one of the few places on the web that has all of the older Philsophical Transactions. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Great link, Mark The French equivalent of the Library of Congress. Frankly surprised to see this, in English, there... The document (or part) can be downloaded (icon on the top right) A pop-up window will appear, be sure to check this box here: (= I agree not to use this document for any commercial purpose) Please respect this waiver. Pour une réutilisation non commerciale du contenu En cochant cette case, je reconnais avoir pris connaissance des conditions d'utilisation non commerciale et je les accepte and you will have to wait some time depending on your internet connection Good luck ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:48 AM To: Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Go to the following link, select page 885, and you should be able to read the article on line. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k55978m/f961.image.r=philosophical+transactions+royal+society+1881.langEN Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts Briarcliff Manor, NY USA http://meteoritemanuscripts.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/MetManuscripts http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Meteorite-Manuscripts/152949358073543?v=wall __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required
yes, you did give away one of your secrets... But for the pleasure of some... :-) I have been searching the BNF for quite some time, but always in French. Stupid of me... I just heard that they are going to put much more documents online in the coming year, a partnership with an American firm. Please, listers, do respect the non-commercial use of the documents you download, or ask for permits ! or this would be another wasted source of knowledge... Thanks again Mark, I will look more into the Philosophical Transactions... Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 3:35 AM To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Not many people know about the BNF. Guess I gave away one of my secrets :-) Thanks for the nice words. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Thanks Mark ! I have been enjoying your links in the past year. I didn't know the BNF had the Philosophical Transactions ! Btw, here are other archives, you might know already... http://www.archive.org/ Thanks again ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:31 AM To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Yes, it is one of the few places on the web that has all of the older Philsophical Transactions. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Great link, Mark The French equivalent of the Library of Congress. Frankly surprised to see this, in English, there... The document (or part) can be downloaded (icon on the top right) A pop-up window will appear, be sure to check this box here: (= I agree not to use this document for any commercial purpose) Please respect this waiver. Pour une réutilisation non commerciale du contenu En cochant cette case, je reconnais avoir pris connaissance des conditions d'utilisation non commerciale et je les accepte and you will have to wait some time depending on your internet connection Good luck ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:48 AM To: Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Go to the following link, select page 885, and you should be able to read the article on line. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k55978m/f961.image.r=philosophical+transactions+royal+society+1881.langEN Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts Briarcliff Manor, NY USA http://meteoritemanuscripts.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/MetManuscripts http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Meteorite-Manuscripts/152949358073543?v=wall __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required
Yes, I second Michael's caution about using the site only for non-commerical purposes. BNF was one of the first organizations to go into digitization full time, and there work should be respected. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts And yes, I am happy to give away some secrets - especially when they are really neat! - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required yes, you did give away one of your secrets... But for the pleasure of some... :-) I have been searching the BNF for quite some time, but always in French. Stupid of me... I just heard that they are going to put much more documents online in the coming year, a partnership with an American firm. Please, listers, do respect the non-commercial use of the documents you download, or ask for permits ! or this would be another wasted source of knowledge... Thanks again Mark, I will look more into the Philosophical Transactions... Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 3:35 AM To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Not many people know about the BNF. Guess I gave away one of my secrets :-) Thanks for the nice words. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Thanks Mark ! I have been enjoying your links in the past year. I didn't know the BNF had the Philosophical Transactions ! Btw, here are other archives, you might know already... http://www.archive.org/ Thanks again ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:31 AM To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Yes, it is one of the few places on the web that has all of the older Philsophical Transactions. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Great link, Mark The French equivalent of the Library of Congress. Frankly surprised to see this, in English, there... The document (or part) can be downloaded (icon on the top right) A pop-up window will appear, be sure to check this box here: (= I agree not to use this document for any commercial purpose) Please respect this waiver. Pour une réutilisation non commerciale du contenu En cochant cette case, je reconnais avoir pris connaissance des conditions d'utilisation non commerciale et je les accepte and you will have to wait some time depending on your internet connection Good luck ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:48 AM To: Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Go to the following link, select page 885, and you should be able to read the article on line. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k55978m/f961.image.r=philosophical+transactions+royal+society+1881.langEN Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts Briarcliff Manor, NY USA http://meteoritemanuscripts.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/MetManuscripts http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Meteorite-Manuscripts/152949358073543?v=wall __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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talking about archives... The NY Times has some great one, dating back to 1851. They are still free until the 28th, after you will pay a (rather decent) fee. I haven't searched there for a while, but great testimonies of the past (and the NY areas I lived in for a while) I guess it is same for some other newspapers in US. Enjoy ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:06 AM To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Yes, I second Michael's caution about using the site only for non-commerical purposes. BNF was one of the first organizations to go into digitization full time, and there work should be respected. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts And yes, I am happy to give away some secrets - especially when they are really neat! - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required yes, you did give away one of your secrets... But for the pleasure of some... :-) I have been searching the BNF for quite some time, but always in French. Stupid of me... I just heard that they are going to put much more documents online in the coming year, a partnership with an American firm. Please, listers, do respect the non-commercial use of the documents you download, or ask for permits ! or this would be another wasted source of knowledge... Thanks again Mark, I will look more into the Philosophical Transactions... Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 3:35 AM To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Not many people know about the BNF. Guess I gave away one of my secrets :-) Thanks for the nice words. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Thanks Mark ! I have been enjoying your links in the past year. I didn't know the BNF had the Philosophical Transactions ! Btw, here are other archives, you might know already... http://www.archive.org/ Thanks again ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:31 AM To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Yes, it is one of the few places on the web that has all of the older Philsophical Transactions. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Great link, Mark The French equivalent of the Library of Congress. Frankly surprised to see this, in English, there... The document (or part) can be downloaded (icon on the top right) A pop-up window will appear, be sure to check this box here: (= I agree not to use this document for any commercial purpose) Please respect this waiver. Pour une réutilisation non commerciale du contenu En cochant cette case, je reconnais avoir pris connaissance des conditions d'utilisation non commerciale et je les accepte and you will have to wait some time depending on your internet connection Good luck ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:48 AM To: Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Go to the following link, select page 885, and you should be able to read the article on line. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k55978m/f961.image.r=philosophical+transactions+royal+society+1881.langEN Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts Briarcliff Manor, NY USA http://meteoritemanuscripts.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/MetManuscripts
Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required
Yes, the NYT is terrific. You may be able to get free access at a public library. Some even allow for searching and retrieval from home. That's what I have. Mark - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required talking about archives... The NY Times has some great one, dating back to 1851. They are still free until the 28th, after you will pay a (rather decent) fee. I haven't searched there for a while, but great testimonies of the past (and the NY areas I lived in for a while) I guess it is same for some other newspapers in US. Enjoy ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:06 AM To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Yes, I second Michael's caution about using the site only for non-commerical purposes. BNF was one of the first organizations to go into digitization full time, and there work should be respected. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts And yes, I am happy to give away some secrets - especially when they are really neat! - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required yes, you did give away one of your secrets... But for the pleasure of some... :-) I have been searching the BNF for quite some time, but always in French. Stupid of me... I just heard that they are going to put much more documents online in the coming year, a partnership with an American firm. Please, listers, do respect the non-commercial use of the documents you download, or ask for permits ! or this would be another wasted source of knowledge... Thanks again Mark, I will look more into the Philosophical Transactions... Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 3:35 AM To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Not many people know about the BNF. Guess I gave away one of my secrets :-) Thanks for the nice words. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Thanks Mark ! I have been enjoying your links in the past year. I didn't know the BNF had the Philosophical Transactions ! Btw, here are other archives, you might know already... http://www.archive.org/ Thanks again ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:31 AM To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Yes, it is one of the few places on the web that has all of the older Philsophical Transactions. Mark Mark Grossman Meteorite Manuscripts - Original Message - From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required Great link, Mark The French equivalent of the Library of Congress. Frankly surprised to see this, in English, there... The document (or part) can be downloaded (icon on the top right) A pop-up window will appear, be sure to check this box here: (= I agree not to use this document for any commercial purpose) Please respect this waiver. Pour une réutilisation non commerciale du contenu En cochant cette case, je reconnais avoir pris connaissance des conditions d'utilisation non commerciale et je les accepte and you will have to wait some time depending on your internet connection Good luck ! Michael B. From: Mark Grossman Sent:
[meteorite-list] Varre-sai slice pictures
Hello all, I have published some Varre-Sai pictures so everybody can see its internal structures: http://amoutinho.multiply.com/photos/album/27/Varre_Sai_slices Best, Andre __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 23, 2011
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