Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's
Congrats Scott, Terry and Larry, Those are some nice meteorites. Much better looking than the average Nevada chondrite. Thank you for the posts and pics. I'll bet you were thrilled by your first finds. Guido -Original Message- From: Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com Sent: May 11, 2011 8:03 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, wahlpe...@aol.com, j...@hc.fdn.com, onther...@usairborne.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's Hey Everyone, I just got home late last night from my extended trip out west. I loaded some pictures of Scott and Terri's and my finds from the Nevada dry lake hunt that Scott reported on. http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/Nevada%20Dry%20Lake%20Meteorite%20Hunt%20May%202011/ It's worth a glance, some of the meteorites were very nice looking with good crust and contraction cracks. There's a few pictures of my cat and dog too! I had a great time out there. Hunting with Scott and Terri is pleasure, thanks guys! Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: John Lutzon j...@hc.fdn.com To: U.S. Airborne onther...@usairborne.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 8:53 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds Terri, Scott Sundance Thank you for the outline of your trek. Sounds like everyone had a great trip, even the sledgehammer had a good time. In a past life, i've had some aerobatic experiences in a composite German Grob, supposedly rated @ 13g's. The most i ever saw was 6-7 and then saw grey. Don't go there! With the very serious issue at hand, it was quite refreshing to hear of your new finds and the story behind them!! I envy your ability to take such trips and enjoy the fever of just one more hunt. (are the wife and vehicles for rent-and, most important, can Larry cook?) Sorry Larry. I hope others chime in on your story and new finds. The best to Sundance. John Lutzon - Original Message - From: U.S. Airborne onther...@usairborne.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds Hi All, Just a quick update from out in the field. My Wife Terri I had to do a biz trip to Ca to teach flying. So I made arrangements to add a few weeks of meteorite hunting in on the trip. We started out with blizzard conditions at lake bed #1. Two nights the temp dipped to 15 then 17 degrees. It was snowing, then raining, then hailing on us for a few days, when out on the hunt. Lake bed 1 was a old strune field that we worked over for 3 days. We recovered about 3 lbs that totaled over 600 meteorite frags. Weather was warming a bit so we moved to lake bed # 2. It was real difficult getting on this lake bed as the snow melt was draining into it and it was nearly full of water. We still hunted the dry edge for a day but no luck. There was lots of evidence of native Americans living in the area . We hit the road for lake bed #3. We had made arrangements for one of our meteorite hunting friends to come join us at lake bed #3. once we arrived at the location #3 we found it difficult to find the correct road onto the lake bed. During our hunt for the road out in remote NV. I had a blow out on my Kawasaki teryx trailer. I had my lance camper on the truck , so I could not see or feel that my trailer wheel had blown, so by the time I stopped my tire rim were destroyed. I had thrown in a spare off my aircraft trailer before leaving the airpark. When I tried to change the tire I find that my spare rim is about 1/8th inch larger. So we camp for the night on this remote road. The next day I unhooked the trailer leaving Terri Sundance to to watch things. I gave Terri my 9 mm to protect herself in case any yahoos gave her trouble. My drive to the nearest town was a wake up call. There were no tire stores left in this town. The last one went out of biz 3 days before I arrived into town. I did find a guy to help me put the rubber off my rim that did not fit onto the smashed up rim. I had a sledge hammer so I smashed the rim into better shape. Once I we got the tire on, it was still leaking air. I beat the edge of the rim with my sledge until it stopped leaking air. To make a long story short I had to drive about 150 miles on this bad rim tire to the nearest big town where I got 8 ply rubber on all tires two new rims. By that afternoon we were back at Lakebed #3 for the hunt. Larry arrived also, so the next day we hunted all day long with no finds and nearly got stuck in our 4x4 buggy on the wet lake bed. Then on day two Larry found the strings of gravel that we were hunting for the day before. Within a minute or two Larry found 1 nice one then 5 min later I found a nice complete meteorite with flow lines about 20 ft from Larry's
[meteorite-list] Fw: Re: 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's
SORRY FOR MISSPELLING YOUR NAME, TERRI GUIDO -Forwarded Message- From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Sent: May 11, 2011 11:15 PM To: Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, wahlpe...@aol.com, j...@hc.fdn.com, onther...@usairborne.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's Congrats Scott, Terry and Larry, Those are some nice meteorites. Much better looking than the average Nevada chondrite. Thank you for the posts and pics. I'll bet you were thrilled by your first finds. Guido -Original Message- From: Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com Sent: May 11, 2011 8:03 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, wahlpe...@aol.com, j...@hc.fdn.com, onther...@usairborne.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's Hey Everyone, I just got home late last night from my extended trip out west. I loaded some pictures of Scott and Terri's and my finds from the Nevada dry lake hunt that Scott reported on. http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/Nevada%20Dry%20Lake%20Meteorite%20Hunt%20May%202011/ It's worth a glance, some of the meteorites were very nice looking with good crust and contraction cracks. There's a few pictures of my cat and dog too! I had a great time out there. Hunting with Scott and Terri is pleasure, thanks guys! Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message- From: John Lutzon j...@hc.fdn.com To: U.S. Airborne onther...@usairborne.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 8:53 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds Terri, Scott Sundance Thank you for the outline of your trek. Sounds like everyone had a great trip, even the sledgehammer had a good time. In a past life, i've had some aerobatic experiences in a composite German Grob, supposedly rated @ 13g's. The most i ever saw was 6-7 and then saw grey. Don't go there! With the very serious issue at hand, it was quite refreshing to hear of your new finds and the story behind them!! I envy your ability to take such trips and enjoy the fever of just one more hunt. (are the wife and vehicles for rent-and, most important, can Larry cook?) Sorry Larry. I hope others chime in on your story and new finds. The best to Sundance. John Lutzon - Original Message - From: U.S. Airborne onther...@usairborne.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds Hi All, Just a quick update from out in the field. My Wife Terri I had to do a biz trip to Ca to teach flying. So I made arrangements to add a few weeks of meteorite hunting in on the trip. We started out with blizzard conditions at lake bed #1. Two nights the temp dipped to 15 then 17 degrees. It was snowing, then raining, then hailing on us for a few days, when out on the hunt. Lake bed 1 was a old strune field that we worked over for 3 days. We recovered about 3 lbs that totaled over 600 meteorite frags. Weather was warming a bit so we moved to lake bed # 2. It was real difficult getting on this lake bed as the snow melt was draining into it and it was nearly full of water. We still hunted the dry edge for a day but no luck. There was lots of evidence of native Americans living in the area . We hit the road for lake bed #3. We had made arrangements for one of our meteorite hunting friends to come join us at lake bed #3. once we arrived at the location #3 we found it difficult to find the correct road onto the lake bed. During our hunt for the road out in remote NV. I had a blow out on my Kawasaki teryx trailer. I had my lance camper on the truck , so I could not see or feel that my trailer wheel had blown, so by the time I stopped my tire rim were destroyed. I had thrown in a spare off my aircraft trailer before leaving the airpark. When I tried to change the tire I find that my spare rim is about 1/8th inch larger. So we camp for the night on this remote road. The next day I unhooked the trailer leaving Terri Sundance to to watch things. I gave Terri my 9 mm to protect herself in case any yahoos gave her trouble. My drive to the nearest town was a wake up call. There were no tire stores left in this town. The last one went out of biz 3 days before I arrived into town. I did find a guy to help me put the rubber off my rim that did not fit onto the smashed up rim. I had a sledge hammer so I smashed the rim into better shape. Once I we got the tire on, it was still leaking air. I beat the edge of the rim with my sledge until it stopped leaking air. To make a long story short I had to drive about 150 miles on this bad rim tire to the nearest big town where I got 8 ply rubber on all tires two new rims. By that afternoon we were back at Lakebed #3 for the hunt. Larry arrived
[meteorite-list] a new meteorite
hello all enjoy photos, a great new unpaired beauty, http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/ aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hoba - historical notes
Hi all, I've added a new addition to my historical site with details of the circumstances of the find of the Hoba mass. As you know, Hoba is the largest known meteorite specimen in the world. http://historicfalls.com/20th-century/hoba/ One passage intrigued me: For the purpose of determining the magnetic axis of the meteorite a six-foot length of steel drill was magnetised, and Mr A W Clark found that the axis is about 14deg east of the earth’s present magnetic axis. No doubt the meteorite became magnetised in the earth’s field when it fell with a violent concussion; but whether it would be possible to deduce from this figure the date of the fall is very doubtful. The terrestrial age of Hoba is generally given as around 80,000 years. This is more than enough for the magnetic field to have wandered by this amount. I know field orientation is used in geology to correlate ages of some beds with the earth's field. Is this approach to verifying terrestrial age one that has been tried, and are there any good reasons why it would/wouldn't work? Mark Crawford __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] an other beauty
hello hee is photo of a nice 320 gr meteorite http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi aziz h __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites
Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not talking about someone who has made a mistake. In order to qualify, the person or company in question would have to have evidence that would support their efforts to be purposely doing something wrong. I wouldn't want a witch hunt or dealers who don't like other dealers, trying to put people on this list. I know this is probably going to open a can of worms BUT it is important to know suspect con artists, frauds and people and companies who are just not getting the fact we don't like our collections messed up. Does a list already exist? If not it sure would be nice to have one that could be shared with the collecting community from time to time. Other input appreciated. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites I've asked the administrator of the Meteorites group on Facebook to remove this person from the group. Hopefully this will put a damper on his shenanigans, but probably nothing short of legal action will make him cease and desist. gary On May 11, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Chris Spratt wrote: Never was my friend on Facebook yet he managed to post things in a group I belong to. Is there a way to unfriend someone from a group? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - Fake Lunar Meteorites
Hello List, Thank you for calling my attention to potential dubieties about a lunar meteorite offered by Joel Samson. The depicted meteorite Joel Samson posted on Facebook which is held between two fingers on the photo is definitely an authentic piece of the lunar meteorite Dho 908. It is one of our own photographs but we never gave it to him. So we do not know how he got hold of the photo and we did not give him the authorization to use it either. We don’t know whether the specimen he offers for sale is identical with the photo or not. What we do know is that Joel Samson is in possession of material which has a distant similarity with Dho 908. As the material presumably is not meteoritic he was asked several times by competent side to have the specimens scientifically examined. To our knowledge he did not follow this advice. In case of doubts about the authenticity of a specimen offered as a Dho 908 we can offer support with the identification. With very best regards Siegfried Team __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites
Hi Al and all: I like the idea of a list of possible scammers and their suspect meteorites. I would err on the side of caution though, and hope the list be extremely careful about name calling in the event someone would be inclined to sue for defamation. I wouldn't use words like scammer or fraud or anything with a bad connotation. Perhaps something less jolting like suspected or alleged might be better? Good luck. I hope the list comes to fruition. Anita - Original Message From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 8:57:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not talking about someone who has made a mistake. In order to qualify, the person or company in question would have to have evidence that would support their efforts to be purposely doing something wrong. I wouldn't want a witch hunt or dealers who don't like other dealers, trying to put people on this list. I know this is probably going to open a can of worms BUT it is important to know suspect con artists, frauds and people and companies who are just not getting the fact we don't like our collections messed up. Does a list already exist? If not it sure would be nice to have one that could be shared with the collecting community from time to time. Other input appreciated. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites I've asked the administrator of the Meteorites group on Facebook to remove this person from the group. Hopefully this will put a damper on his shenanigans, but probably nothing short of legal action will make him cease and desist. gary On May 11, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Chris Spratt wrote: Never was my friend on Facebook yet he managed to post things in a group I belong to. Is there a way to unfriend someone from a group? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites
Hi Al, You made a mistake listing Todd Parker as a scammer. He was mentioned as selling Whetstone Mountains that were definitely real. Frank - Original Message From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 5:57:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not talking about someone who has made a mistake. In order to qualify, the person or company in question would have to have evidence that would support their efforts to be purposely doing something wrong. I wouldn't want a witch hunt or dealers who don't like other dealers, trying to put people on this list. I know this is probably going to open a can of worms BUT it is important to know suspect con artists, frauds and people and companies who are just not getting the fact we don't like our collections messed up. Does a list already exist? If not it sure would be nice to have one that could be shared with the collecting community from time to time. Other input appreciated. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites I've asked the administrator of the Meteorites group on Facebook to remove this person from the group. Hopefully this will put a damper on his shenanigans, but probably nothing short of legal action will make him cease and desist. gary On May 11, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Chris Spratt wrote: Never was my friend on Facebook yet he managed to post things in a group I belong to. Is there a way to unfriend someone from a group? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites
Hi Gang, Ken Newton's website is a good start. There is a long list of scammers, suspect eBay sellers, and known meteorwrongs. In my mind, it's the quasi-official Hall of Shame. http://meteorite-identification.com/ If we all chip in and do what we can, the meteorite market can self-police itself. But we need to share information on the bad guys and make it readily available to those who are trying to check out their sellers. List members can post to this list, but not every collector is a member of this list and some don't think to check here while researching their sellers or a suspect offer. Best regards, MikeG On 5/12/11, Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net wrote: Hi Al and all: I like the idea of a list of possible scammers and their suspect meteorites. I would err on the side of caution though, and hope the list be extremely careful about name calling in the event someone would be inclined to sue for defamation. I wouldn't use words like scammer or fraud or anything with a bad connotation. Perhaps something less jolting like suspected or alleged might be better? Good luck. I hope the list comes to fruition. Anita - Original Message From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 8:57:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not talking about someone who has made a mistake. In order to qualify, the person or company in question would have to have evidence that would support their efforts to be purposely doing something wrong. I wouldn't want a witch hunt or dealers who don't like other dealers, trying to put people on this list. I know this is probably going to open a can of worms BUT it is important to know suspect con artists, frauds and people and companies who are just not getting the fact we don't like our collections messed up. Does a list already exist? If not it sure would be nice to have one that could be shared with the collecting community from time to time. Other input appreciated. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites I've asked the administrator of the Meteorites group on Facebook to remove this person from the group. Hopefully this will put a damper on his shenanigans, but probably nothing short of legal action will make him cease and desist. gary On May 11, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Chris Spratt wrote: Never was my friend on Facebook yet he managed to post things in a group I belong to. Is there a way to unfriend someone from a group? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites
Hello All, Dave Gheesling can't post to the list at the moment, but given the seriousness of the accusation made against Todd Parker, he asked that I post this on his behalf: His message follows: Hello List, While I haven't seen where Todd Parker's name was mentioned as a possible scammer other than in Al Mitterling's recent post (I haven't been closely following the thread), TODD PARKER MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT A SCAMMER OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT. To the contrary, Todd is probably one of the finest people I've had the pleasure of knowing -- inside or outside of the meteorite community. Presumably this mention has something to do with the recent Mifflin thread, but Todd's name shouldn't be associated with anything other than integrity -- he is a class act, to be sure. All the best, Dave Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Date: Thu, May 12, 2011 10:45 am To: al mitt alm...@kconline.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Hi Al, You made a mistake listing Todd Parker as a scammer. He was mentioned as selling Whetstone Mountains that were definitely real. Frank - Original Message From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 5:57:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not talking about someone who has made a mistake. In order to qualify, the person or company in question would have to have evidence that would support their efforts to be purposely doing something wrong. I wouldn't want a witch hunt or dealers who don't like other dealers, trying to put people on this list. I know this is probably going to open a can of worms BUT it is important to know suspect con artists, frauds and people and companies who are just not getting the fact we don't like our collections messed up. Does a list already exist? If not it sure would be nice to have one that could be shared with the collecting community from time to time. Other input appreciated. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites I've asked the administrator of the Meteorites group on Facebook to remove this person from the group. Hopefully this will put a damper on his shenanigans, but probably nothing short of legal action will make him cease and desist. gary On May 11, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Chris Spratt wrote: Never was my friend on Facebook yet he managed to post things in a group I belong to. Is there a way to unfriend someone from a group? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites
Hello All, I wholeheartedly agree with Frank and Dave. There has to be a huge misunderstanding/mistake made somewhere along the way in listing Todd Parker as a scammer. From the all-too-little time that I have had the pleasure of being in Todd's company, I can most definitely say that he is an absolutely GREAT person, one of the nicest most friendly guys you could ever hope to meet! The list of attributes that Dave listed in the previous email describes Todd perfectly. Al, I firmly believe that if if you will look back over whatever info you based this on, you will find it was not him that you were thinking about. Sincerely, Robert Woolard --- On Thu, 5/12/11, Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net wrote: From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites To: d...@fallingrocks.com Cc: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 10:01 AM Hello All, Dave Gheesling can't post to the list at the moment, but given the seriousness of the accusation made against Todd Parker, he asked that I post this on his behalf: His message follows: Hello List, While I haven't seen where Todd Parker's name was mentioned as a possible scammer other than in Al Mitterling's recent post (I haven't been closely following the thread), TODD PARKER MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT A SCAMMER OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT. To the contrary, Todd is probably one of the finest people I've had the pleasure of knowing -- inside or outside of the meteorite community. Presumably this mention has something to do with the recent Mifflin thread, but Todd's name shouldn't be associated with anything other than integrity -- he is a class act, to be sure. All the best, Dave Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Date: Thu, May 12, 2011 10:45 am To: al mitt alm...@kconline.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Hi Al, You made a mistake listing Todd Parker as a scammer. He was mentioned as selling Whetstone Mountains that were definitely real. Frank - Original Message From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 5:57:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not talking about someone who has made a mistake. In order to qualify, the person or company in question would have to have evidence that would support their efforts to be purposely doing something wrong. I wouldn't want a witch hunt or dealers who don't like other dealers, trying to put people on this list. I know this is probably going to open a can of worms BUT it is important to know suspect con artists, frauds and people and companies who are just not getting the fact we don't like our collections messed up. Does a list already exist? If not it sure would be nice to have one that could be shared with the collecting community from time to time. Other input appreciated. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites I've asked the administrator of the Meteorites group on Facebook to remove this person from the group. Hopefully this will put a damper on his shenanigans, but probably nothing short of legal action will make him cease and desist. gary On May 11, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Chris Spratt wrote: Never was my friend on Facebook yet he managed to post things in a group I belong to. Is there a way to unfriend someone from a group? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - Fake Lunar Meteorites
I was made aware after my initial posting that Eric Twelker also has a genuine piece of NWA 5K on his website which was obtained through legitimate channels. My intent was not to exclude dealers or collectors who have legitimate pieces of this meteorite for sale, only make prospective collectors aware that their are a some less than honorable people out there offering bogus material. I took extra measures from the beginning at enormous costs to protect consumers' investments in this special meteorite by mapping every cut, rigorously documenting every piece, imaging every slice, providing C.O.A.s, serial numbers and tracking first-round distribution on a registry. I even cast the original stone so there would be no argument latter on about dimensions. The weight was certified within minutes of unpacking. As far as I know, the extra measures have served the collecting public well. I do not believe a single bogus piece has been placed in circulation despite con artists attempts to do so. It would be cost prohibitive to do this with every stone so this type of attention to detail is not the solution for most meteorites. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I guess this also highlights one of the obvious problems with a blacklist. The internet has a long memory :/ On 12 May 2011, at 16:23, Robert Woolard wrote: Hello All, I wholeheartedly agree with Frank and Dave. There has to be a huge misunderstanding/mistake made somewhere along the way in listing Todd Parker as a scammer. From the all-too-little time that I have had the pleasure of being in Todd's company, I can most definitely say that he is an absolutely GREAT person, one of the nicest most friendly guys you could ever hope to meet! The list of attributes that Dave listed in the previous email describes Todd perfectly. Al, I firmly believe that if if you will look back over whatever info you based this on, you will find it was not him that you were thinking about. Sincerely, Robert Woolard --- On Thu, 5/12/11, Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net wrote: From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites To: d...@fallingrocks.com Cc: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 10:01 AM Hello All, Dave Gheesling can't post to the list at the moment, but given the seriousness of the accusation made against Todd Parker, he asked that I post this on his behalf: His message follows: Hello List, While I haven't seen where Todd Parker's name was mentioned as a possible scammer other than in Al Mitterling's recent post (I haven't been closely following the thread), TODD PARKER MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT A SCAMMER OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT. To the contrary, Todd is probably one of the finest people I've had the pleasure of knowing -- inside or outside of the meteorite community. Presumably this mention has something to do with the recent Mifflin thread, but Todd's name shouldn't be associated with anything other than integrity -- he is a class act, to be sure. All the best, Dave Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Date: Thu, May 12, 2011 10:45 am To: al mitt alm...@kconline.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Hi Al, You made a mistake listing Todd Parker as a scammer. He was mentioned as selling Whetstone Mountains that were definitely real. Frank - Original Message From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 5:57:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not talking about someone who has made a mistake. In order to qualify, the person or company in question would have to have evidence that would support their efforts to be purposely doing something wrong. I wouldn't want a witch hunt or dealers who don't like other dealers, trying to put people on this list. I know this is probably going to open a can of worms BUT it is important to know suspect con artists, frauds and people and companies who are just not getting the fact we don't like our collections messed up. Does a list already exist? If not it sure would be nice to have one that could be shared with the collecting community from time to time. Other input appreciated. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites I've asked the administrator of the Meteorites group on Facebook to remove this person from the group. Hopefully this will put a damper on his shenanigans, but probably nothing short of legal action will make him cease and desist. gary On May 11, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Chris Spratt wrote: Never was my friend on Facebook yet he managed to post things in a group I belong to. Is there a way to unfriend someone from a group? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites
List, So the very first post speaking to putting together a black list incorrectly accuses someone of being a fraud? Seems to me like trying to compile such a list would end up causing way more grief than it would solve. Regards, Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Robert Woolard meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, I wholeheartedly agree with Frank and Dave. There has to be a huge misunderstanding/mistake made somewhere along the way in listing Todd Parker as a scammer. From the all-too-little time that I have had the pleasure of being in Todd's company, I can most definitely say that he is an absolutely GREAT person, one of the nicest most friendly guys you could ever hope to meet! The list of attributes that Dave listed in the previous email describes Todd perfectly. Al, I firmly believe that if if you will look back over whatever info you based this on, you will find it was not him that you were thinking about. Sincerely, Robert Woolard --- On Thu, 5/12/11, Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net wrote: From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites To: d...@fallingrocks.com Cc: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 10:01 AM Hello All, Dave Gheesling can't post to the list at the moment, but given the seriousness of the accusation made against Todd Parker, he asked that I post this on his behalf: His message follows: Hello List, While I haven't seen where Todd Parker's name was mentioned as a possible scammer other than in Al Mitterling's recent post (I haven't been closely following the thread), TODD PARKER MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT A SCAMMER OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT. To the contrary, Todd is probably one of the finest people I've had the pleasure of knowing -- inside or outside of the meteorite community. Presumably this mention has something to do with the recent Mifflin thread, but Todd's name shouldn't be associated with anything other than integrity -- he is a class act, to be sure. All the best, Dave Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Date: Thu, May 12, 2011 10:45 am To: al mitt alm...@kconline.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Hi Al, You made a mistake listing Todd Parker as a scammer. He was mentioned as selling Whetstone Mountains that were definitely real. Frank - Original Message From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 5:57:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not talking about someone who has made a mistake. In order to qualify, the person or company in question would have to have evidence that would support their efforts to be purposely doing something wrong. I wouldn't want a witch hunt or dealers who don't like other dealers, trying to put people on this list. I know this is probably going to open a can of worms BUT it is important to know suspect con artists, frauds and people and companies who are just not getting the fact we don't like our collections messed up. Does a list already exist? If not it sure would be nice to have one that could be shared with the collecting community from time to time. Other input appreciated. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites I've asked the administrator of the Meteorites group on Facebook to remove this person from the group. Hopefully this will put a damper on his shenanigans, but probably nothing short of legal action will make him cease and desist. gary On May 11, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Chris Spratt wrote: Never was my friend on Facebook yet he managed to post things in a group I belong to. Is there a way to unfriend someone from a group? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105
[meteorite-list] 1 inch long, 1cm thick CAI
Here is an awesome 1 inch long by 1 cm thick CAI... It is the most massive one I have ever seen. Hope you all enjoy the pics. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF5295.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF5293.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF5299-1.jpg Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - Fake Lunar Meteorites
The rock that Joel Samson mentions in his e-mail to me of 2+ years ago (below) is depicted here: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/stone.jpg It looks like a weathered volcaniclastic rock to me. And, OK, it does also resemble a lunar breccia. Randy Korotev = Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:39:40 +0800 From: Joel Samson joel.m...@gmail.com To: koro...@wustl.edu Subject: my first lunar rock found in our country the PHILIPPINES! dear sir this photo is a similar stones to dhofar 908 group tkw of the rock is 1738grams.THANKS! JOEL stone.jpg === At 09:33 AM 2011-05-12 Thursday, you wrote: Hello List,  Thank you for calling my attention to potential dubieties about a lunar meteorite offered by Joel Samson.  The depicted meteorite Joel Samson posted on Facebook which is held between two fingers on the photo is definitely an authentic piece of the lunar meteorite Dho 908. It is one of our own photographs but we never gave it to him. So we do not know how he got hold of the photo and we did not give him the authorization to use it either.  We donât know whether the specimen he offers for sale is identical with the photo or not.  What we do know is that Joel Samson is in possession of material which has a distant similarity with Dho 908. As the material presumably is not meteoritic he was asked several times by competent side to have the specimens scientifically examined. To our knowledge he did not follow this advice. In case of doubts about the authenticity of a specimen offered as a Dho 908 we can offer support with the identification.  With very best regards  Siegfried Team __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites
Good day Folks, I would echo Michael in SO-CAL's thoughts. To establish such a list could result in a rather expensive Defamation suit for the publisher(s) of such a list. Best Regards, Paul Martyn, Savannah GA In a message dated 5/12/2011 1:06:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mikest...@gmail.com writes: List, So the very first post speaking to putting together a black list incorrectly accuses someone of being a fraud? Seems to me like trying to compile such a list would end up causing way more grief than it would solve. Regards, Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Robert Woolard meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, I wholeheartedly agree with Frank and Dave. There has to be a huge misunderstanding/mistake made somewhere along the way in listing Todd Parker as a scammer. From the all-too-little time that I have had the pleasure of being in Todd's company, I can most definitely say that he is an absolutely GREAT person, one of the nicest most friendly guys you could ever hope to meet! The list of attributes that Dave listed in the previous email describes Todd perfectly. Al, I firmly believe that if if you will look back over whatever info you based this on, you will find it was not him that you were thinking about. Sincerely, Robert Woolard --- On Thu, 5/12/11, Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net wrote: From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites To: d...@fallingrocks.com Cc: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 10:01 AM Hello All, Dave Gheesling can't post to the list at the moment, but given the seriousness of the accusation made against Todd Parker, he asked that I post this on his behalf: His message follows: Hello List, While I haven't seen where Todd Parker's name was mentioned as a possible scammer other than in Al Mitterling's recent post (I haven't been closely following the thread), TODD PARKER MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT A SCAMMER OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT. To the contrary, Todd is probably one of the finest people I've had the pleasure of knowing -- inside or outside of the meteorite community. Presumably this mention has something to do with the recent Mifflin thread, but Todd's name shouldn't be associated with anything other than integrity -- he is a class act, to be sure. All the best, Dave Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Date: Thu, May 12, 2011 10:45 am To: al mitt alm...@kconline.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Hi Al, You made a mistake listing Todd Parker as a scammer. He was mentioned as selling Whetstone Mountains that were definitely real. Frank - Original Message From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 5:57:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not talking about someone who has made a mistake. In order to qualify, the person or company in question would have to have evidence that would support their efforts to be purposely doing something wrong. I wouldn't want a witch hunt or dealers who don't like other dealers, trying to put people on this list. I know this is probably going to open a can of worms BUT it is important to know suspect con artists, frauds and people and companies who are just not getting the fact we don't like our collections messed up. Does a list already exist? If not it sure would be nice to have one that could be shared with the collecting community from time to time. Other input appreciated. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites I've asked the administrator of the Meteorites group on Facebook to remove this person from the group. Hopefully this will put a damper on his shenanigans, but probably nothing short of legal action will make him cease and desist. gary On May 11, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Chris Spratt wrote: Never was my friend on Facebook yet he managed to post things in a group I belong to. Is
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Blacklist
I would advise that the other risk associated with compiling and publishing a blacklist is the potential for libeling someone. Libel has a serious legal risk and cost associated with it. One needs to be very careful as illustrated by this thread and the potential for wrongly implicating innocent individuals. Best, Mark IMCA #5492 Mark Hirsch Photojournalist 2076 Airport Road Platteville, WI 53818 Cell 563-590-2710 markhir...@markhirschphoto.com http://www.markhirschphoto.com Providing professional photojournalism and commercial photography services. On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: List, So the very first post speaking to putting together a black list incorrectly accuses someone of being a fraud? Seems to me like trying to compile such a list would end up causing way more grief than it would solve. Regards, Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Robert Woolard meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, I wholeheartedly agree with Frank and Dave. There has to be a huge misunderstanding/mistake made somewhere along the way in listing Todd Parker as a scammer. From the all-too-little time that I have had the pleasure of being in Todd's company, I can most definitely say that he is an absolutely GREAT person, one of the nicest most friendly guys you could ever hope to meet! The list of attributes that Dave listed in the previous email describes Todd perfectly. Al, I firmly believe that if if you will look back over whatever info you based this on, you will find it was not him that you were thinking about. Sincerely, Robert Woolard --- On Thu, 5/12/11, Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net wrote: From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites To: d...@fallingrocks.com Cc: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 10:01 AM Hello All, Dave Gheesling can't post to the list at the moment, but given the seriousness of the accusation made against Todd Parker, he asked that I post this on his behalf: His message follows: Hello List, While I haven't seen where Todd Parker's name was mentioned as a possible scammer other than in Al Mitterling's recent post (I haven't been closely following the thread), TODD PARKER MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT A SCAMMER OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT. To the contrary, Todd is probably one of the finest people I've had the pleasure of knowing -- inside or outside of the meteorite community. Presumably this mention has something to do with the recent Mifflin thread, but Todd's name shouldn't be associated with anything other than integrity -- he is a class act, to be sure. All the best, Dave Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Date: Thu, May 12, 2011 10:45 am To: al mitt alm...@kconline.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Hi Al, You made a mistake listing Todd Parker as a scammer. He was mentioned as selling Whetstone Mountains that were definitely real. Frank - Original Message From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 5:57:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not talking about someone who has made a mistake. In order to qualify, the person or company in question would have to have evidence that would support their efforts to be purposely doing something wrong. I wouldn't want a witch hunt or dealers who don't like other dealers, trying to put people on this list. I know this is probably going to open a can of worms BUT it is important to know suspect con artists, frauds and people and companies who are just not getting the fact we don't like our collections messed up. Does a list already exist? If not it sure would be nice to have one that could be shared with the collecting community from time to time. Other input appreciated. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites I've asked the administrator
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites
Hello List, I've seen these black ball lists backfire with the cost of just answering the accused's Civil Complaint ruining the accusing association financially. Also, there are real elements of civil liability that might attach themselves to individual members. RUN...DON'T WALK...AWAY FROM THIS IDEA Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: litig8nsh...@aol.com Sent: May 12, 2011 10:13 AM To: mikest...@gmail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites Good day Folks, I would echo Michael in SO-CAL's thoughts. To establish such a list could result in a rather expensive Defamation suit for the publisher(s) of such a list. Best Regards, Paul Martyn, Savannah GA In a message dated 5/12/2011 1:06:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mikest...@gmail.com writes: List, So the very first post speaking to putting together a black list incorrectly accuses someone of being a fraud? Seems to me like trying to compile such a list would end up causing way more grief than it would solve. Regards, Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:23 AM, Robert Woolard meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, I wholeheartedly agree with Frank and Dave. There has to be a huge misunderstanding/mistake made somewhere along the way in listing Todd Parker as a scammer. From the all-too-little time that I have had the pleasure of being in Todd's company, I can most definitely say that he is an absolutely GREAT person, one of the nicest most friendly guys you could ever hope to meet! The list of attributes that Dave listed in the previous email describes Todd perfectly. Al, I firmly believe that if if you will look back over whatever info you based this on, you will find it was not him that you were thinking about. Sincerely, Robert Woolard --- On Thu, 5/12/11, Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net wrote: From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites To: d...@fallingrocks.com Cc: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 10:01 AM Hello All, Dave Gheesling can't post to the list at the moment, but given the seriousness of the accusation made against Todd Parker, he asked that I post this on his behalf: His message follows: Hello List, While I haven't seen where Todd Parker's name was mentioned as a possible scammer other than in Al Mitterling's recent post (I haven't been closely following the thread), TODD PARKER MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT A SCAMMER OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT. To the contrary, Todd is probably one of the finest people I've had the pleasure of knowing -- inside or outside of the meteorite community. Presumably this mention has something to do with the recent Mifflin thread, but Todd's name shouldn't be associated with anything other than integrity -- he is a class act, to be sure. All the best, Dave Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Date: Thu, May 12, 2011 10:45 am To: al mitt alm...@kconline.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Hi Al, You made a mistake listing Todd Parker as a scammer. He was mentioned as selling Whetstone Mountains that were definitely real. Frank - Original Message From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 5:57:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not talking about someone who has made a mistake. In order to qualify, the person or company in question would have to have evidence that would support their efforts to be purposely doing something wrong. I wouldn't want a witch hunt or dealers who don't like other dealers, trying to put people on this list. I know this is probably going to open a can of worms BUT it is important to know suspect con artists, frauds and people and companies who are just not getting the fact we don't like our collections messed up. Does a list already exist? If not it sure would be nice to have one that could be shared with the collecting community from time to time. Other input appreciated. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Cc:
[meteorite-list] Rely on maps and weather conditions and local info, not always on GPS short routes
hi folks, I thought I'd post this story about a Canadian woman who was recently found by hunters on their snow mobiles who were themselves lost in the rough and treacherous mountains of Northern Nevada and her husband hasn't been found yet. They asked for the shortest route to Las Vegas from Canada and wound up in mountains they shouldn't have been in, since many people are out hiking or looking for rocks and meteorites out in the dry salt flats or dry lake beds and mountains. Just be careful, I know the majority of you are and you are smart, but some people new to the hobbies are relying too much on GPS gadgets that will get you lost and possibly worse if you don’t also use maps and local info. There was the story a few months ago about the woman who lived, but her 6 year old son died in Death Valley after using GPS to find the shortest route through Death Valley and used service roads and old mining roads and dirt trails and the dead bodies of a couple who were found recently who used used GPS back in 2009 in Death Valley and were lost and never found until searches found them almost 2 years later. Don't rely just on GPS, use the old fashioned way, A Map, that has updated road info and check weather conditions. I have used GPS and if you put in shortest route it will take you places you don't belong. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20110511/ap_tr_ge/us_travel_brief_missing_canadian_couple All the best and happy hunting. Brian Cox __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Ureilite NWA 5921, only four specimens
Hi, juts introducing here my ureilite NWA 5921, with a very nice crust, and impressive olivine crystal structure visible at the edge of the specimens. TKW is only 98g, type specimens 21.6g, I have only 4 specimens (exept few crumbs) for sale, listed here : www.wwmeteorites.com/NWA5921.html Fabien Fabien Kuntz Météorites (ventes, expertise, conférences) Animation scientifique et technique WWMETEORITES (Siret : 511 850 612 00017) www.wwmeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar Meteorites
Hi Al and the rest of the List. I agree totally with you Al. One thing as you mentioned that I have noticed over the years is that there is that chance someone can get hurt by accusations of fraud ect. Yet how can this be done so as to avoid this? I have an idea that might work but may need refining. Maybe we can ask the List for 2 or 3 volunteers who 1) Has been a Listie of good and long standing. 2) Has built an excellent reputation of their name in the meteorite community, which includes experience with buying and selling meteorites, with knowledge of meteorite composition both internal and external. 3) Last but not least, always desired to be a CSI and so a great opportunity to be an MFI or Meteorite Fraud Investigator. I myself like MFS Meteorite Fraud Squasher! Anyways...The List could vote 2 or 3 MFI's that have an interest. How this vote could be doneI don't know, but I am sure with all the brilliant minds that this List has, that a great suggestion is out there. These would be the people that the rest of the List would contact (via another email) when a fraudulent situation takes place. Now the rest of the List is not exposed to any allegation. The MFI's would research the history of the suspected Dealer/Seller in a fair timely fashion and communicate with the other 2 MFI's of their findings. Finally if the situation is found to NOT be fraudulent, the MFI's need only contact the person that thought fraud was taking place and explain their findings. Now all is calm on the List. If however the findings show fraud (several very strong circumstantial evidences could warrant fraud) Then the MFI's could officially announce this to the List! Though the IMCA does something similar, not everyone on this List is a Member of the IMCA. It would be beneficial anyways, in having 2 entities helping to combat the destruction of our collections and reputations as meteorite collectors, sellers, dealers, and hunters, especially since the Meteorite Central List doesn't appear to be going away for a very long time if ever. Maybe a bi-monthly or monthly email to the entire List as a reminder of who to contact (MFI's) if fraud is suspected. We need to all watch our backs. It will only get worse. Lets not allow differences between dealers and or mistakes stand in the way but rather concentrate on the benefit for all of us, to rid of this pandemic air borne disease of meteorite fraud. This hurts every single collector on this List, whether I like you or you don't like me bla bla bla...the bottom line is we have a common interest and that is the love of this great hobby. Lets protect it. Just my 2 cents is all. I know it sounds silly, but the bottom line is Al is right, and somehow we need to stomp out these greedy meteorite flea fakes! Say that 3 times fast! It's FAKES not FLAKES lol Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not talking about someone who has made a mistake. In order to qualify, the person or company in question would have to have evidence that would support their efforts to be purposely doing something wrong. I wouldn't want a witch hunt or dealers who don't like other dealers, trying to put people on this list. I know this is probably going to open a can of worms BUT it is important to know suspect con artists, frauds and people and companies who are just not getting the fact we don't like our collections messed up. Does a list already exist? If not it sure would be nice to have one that could be shared with the collecting community from time to time. Other input appreciated. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites I've asked the administrator of the Meteorites group on Facebook to remove this person from the group. Hopefully this will put a damper on his shenanigans, but probably nothing short of legal action will make him cease and desist. gary On May 11, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Chris Spratt wrote: Never was my friend on Facebook yet he managed to post things in a group I belong to. Is there a way to unfriend someone from a group? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone)
Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's
Hi Larry, Congratulations to you and Scott on the cool finds. The pictures of your cat are great. Sonny -Original Message- From: Larry Atkins thetop...@aol.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; wahlperry wahlpe...@aol.com; jl j...@hc.fdn.com; ontheroad onther...@usairborne.com Sent: Wed, May 11, 2011 4:03 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds / Photo's Hey Everyone,I just got home late last night from my extended trip out west. Iloaded some pictures of Scott and Terri's and my finds from the Nevadadry lake hunt that Scott reported on.http://s934.photobucket.com/albums/ad190/alienrockfarm/Nevada%20Dry%20 Lake%20Meteorite%20Hunt%20May%202011/It's worth a glance, some of the meteorites were very nice looking withgood crust and contraction cracks. There's a few pictures of my cat anddog too!I had a great time out there. Hunting with Scott and Terri is pleasure, thanks guys!Sincerely,Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941Ebay alienrockfarm -Original Message-From: John Lutzon j...@hc.fdn.comTo: U.S. Airborne onther...@usairborne.comCc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Mon, May 9, 2011 8:53 pmSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed findsTerri, Scott Sundance Thank you for the outline of your trek. Sounds like everyone had agreat trip, even the sledgehammer had a good time. In a past life, i've had some aerobatic experiences in a compositeGerman Grob, supposedly rated @ 13g's. The most i ever saw was 6-7 and thensaw grey. Don't go there! With the very serious issue at hand, it was quite refreshing to hear ofyour new finds and the story behind them!! I envy your ability to take such trips and enjoy the fever of just onemore hunt. (are the wife and vehicles for rent-and, most important, can Larrycook?) Sorry Larry. I hope others chime in on your story and new finds. The best to Sundance. John Lutzon - Original Message - From: U.S. Airborneonther...@usairborne.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] 4 lake bed hunt, New Lake Bed finds Hi All, Just a quick update from out in the field. My Wife Terri Ihad to do a biz trip to Ca to teach flying. So I made arrangements to adda few weeks of meteorite hunting in on the trip. We started out with blizzard conditions at lake bed #1. Two nights the temp dipped to 15then 17 degrees. It was snowing, then raining, then hailing on us for afew days, when out on the hunt. Lake bed 1 was a old strune field that we worked over for 3 days. We recovered about 3 lbs that totaled over600 meteorite frags. Weather was warming a bit so we moved to lake bed #2. It was real difficult getting on this lake bed as the snow melt wasdraining into it and it was nearly full of water. We still hunted the dry edgefor a day but no luck. There was lots of evidence of native Americansliving in the area . We hit the road for lake bed #3. We had madearrangements for one of our meteorite hunting friends to come join us at lake bed#3. once we arrived at the location #3 we found it difficult to find the correct road onto the lake bed. During our hunt for the road out in remote NV. I had a blow out on my Kawasaki teryx trailer. I had mylance camper on the truck , so I could not see or feel that my trailerwheel had blown, so by the time I stopped my tire rim were destroyed. I hadthrown in a spare off my aircraft trailer before leaving the airpark. When I tried to change the tire I find that my spare rim is about 1/8th inch larger. So we camp for the night on this remote road. The next day I unhooked the trailer leaving Terri Sundance to to watch things. Igave Terri my 9 mm to protect herself in case any yahoos gave her trouble.My drive to the nearest town was a wake up call. There were no tirestores left in this town. The last one went out of biz 3 days before Iarrived into town. I did find a guy to help me put the rubber off my rim thatdid not fit onto the smashed up rim. I had a sledge hammer so I smashedthe rim into better shape. Once I we got the tire on, it was stillleaking air. I beat the edge of the rim with my sledge until it stoppedleaking air. To make a long story short I had to drive about 150 miles onthis bad rim tire to the nearest big town where I got 8 ply rubber on alltires two new rims. By that afternoon we were back at Lakebed #3 for thehunt. Larry arrived also, so the next day we hunted all day long with nofinds and nearly got stuck in our 4x4 buggy on the wet lake bed. Then onday two Larry found the strings of gravel that we were hunting for the day before. Within a minute or two Larry found 1 nice one then 5 minlater I found a nice complete meteorite with flow lines about 20 ft fromLarry's find. It was barely magnetic so we looked it over real good figuredit was likely a LL or possibly even more rare. It
[meteorite-list] Aquarius/Juno/GRAIL/MSL Update - May 12, 2011
May 12, 2011 George H. Diller Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 321-867-2468 george.h.dil...@nasa.gov STATUS REPORT: ELV-051211 EXPENDABLE LAUNCH VEHICLE STATUS REPORT Spacecraft: Aquarius Launch Vehicle: Delta II 7320 Launch Site: Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif. Launch Pad: Space Launch Complex 2 Launch Date: June 9, 2011 Launch Window: 7:20:13 - 7:25:13 a.m. PDT Altitude/Inclination: 408.2 statute miles/98 degrees At Vandenberg Air Force Base, loading the spacecraft with its attitude control propellant was done May 11. Thursday, the spacecraft is being mated to the payload attach fitting. The assembly later will mate to the Delta II rocket. At NASA's Space Launch Complex 2, the Delta II first stage was loaded with liquid oxygen and a countdown test conducted on May 11. Thursday, a Simulated Flight test is being run. This is an electrical and mechanical test of the launch vehicle's systems that will be exercised in the same sequence as they will operate during the actual powered flight. The Aquarius/SAC-D mission is a collaboration between NASA and Argentina's space agency with participation by Brazil, Canada, France and Italy. NASA's Launch Services Program at the Kennedy Space Center in Florida is managing the launch. United Launch Alliance of Denver, Colo., is NASA's launch service provider of the Delta II 7320. Spacecraft: Juno Launch Vehicle: Atlas V 551 Launch Site: Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla. Launch Pad: Space Launch Complex 41 Launch Date: Aug. 5, 2011 Launch Time: 11:40 a.m. EDT This week a cruise system verification test was conducted, and a Jupiter orbit insertion system verification test was also completed. The work to install the three solar arrays begins May 13. Later in processing, the magnetometer will be installed; a solar array illumination test and a magnetometer boom deployment test also are planned. The solar-powered Juno spacecraft will orbit Jupiter's poles to find out more about the gas giant's origins, structure, atmosphere and magnetosphere. Spacecraft: GRAIL (Gravity Recovery And Interior Laboratory) Launch Vehicle: Delta II 7920 Heavy Launch Site: Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla. Launch Pad: Space Launch Complex 17B Launch Date: Sept. 8, 2011 Launch Time: 8:37:06 a.m. and 9:16:12 a.m. EDT At NASA's Space Launch Complex 17B, the second stage was hoisted atop the first stage of the Delta II rocket on May 10. The payload fairing is being raised into the white room of the mobile service tower today. The launch vehicle electrical, mechanical and propulsion system testing will begin on May 20. The solid rocket motor thruster installation and alignment has been completed. GRAIL's primary science objectives will be to determine the structure of the lunar interior, from crust to core, and to advance understanding of the thermal evolution of the moon. Spacecraft: Mars Science Laboratory (Curiosity) Launch Vehicle: Atlas V-541 Launch Site: Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla. Launch Pad: Space Launch Complex 41 Launch Date: Nov. 25, 2011 Launch Time: 10:21 a.m. EST The cruise stage, back shell and heat shield for the Mars Science Laboratory payload arrived at Kennedy Space Center's Shuttle Landing Facility aboard an Air Force C-17 cargo plane on Thursday evening. These are the first flight elements to arrive for the Mars Science Laboratory mission. These elements were taken to the Payload Hazardous Servicing Facility (PHSF) located in the KSC Industrial Area to begin processing. The Curiosity rover will arrive next month. The rover's 10 science instruments will search for habitable environments on Mars that could support life, past or present. The unique rover will use a laser to look inside rocks and release the gasses so that its spectrometer can analyze and send the data back to Earth, as well as sophisticated chemistry experiments and high-powered microscopes. Previous status reports are available at: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/launchingrockets/status/index.html -end- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar Meteorites
Hello Don, Al, Chris and List, We agree that something needs to be done to eliminate fraud and misidentification. We also agree that investigating and outing a person offering misidentified meteorites intentionally, or not, is fraught with the danger of a lawsuit. I put this to the you and the List...Why attack the purported fraudster? Why not attack the meteorite being offered? We are going to examine the suspected clinger anyway. It could work this way and you readers can fill in the details Suspect rock is offered. Sample is obtained for analysis. This act would tie the seller to the rock. Rock turns out to be genuine. Nothing done. Rock turms out to be something else. Then the results of the analysis is released to the seller, the buyer and all who have asked that they be notified of misrepresentations. Nothing needs to be said about the seller personally. His rock is shit and we all know it. Whether his offering was done to intentionally defraud, or if he was a victim, or if it was mis-classified can be handled in the details. Just don't attack the seller personally. Attack the rock. Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Sent: May 12, 2011 5:06 PM To: al mitt alm...@kconline.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Al and the rest of the List. I agree totally with you Al. One thing as you mentioned that I have noticed over the years is that there is that chance someone can get hurt by accusations of fraud ect. Yet how can this be done so as to avoid this? I have an idea that might work but may need refining. Maybe we can ask the List for 2 or 3 volunteers who 1) Has been a Listie of good and long standing. 2) Has built an excellent reputation of their name in the meteorite community, which includes experience with buying and selling meteorites, with knowledge of meteorite composition both internal and external. 3) Last but not least, always desired to be a CSI and so a great opportunity to be an MFI or Meteorite Fraud Investigator. I myself like MFS Meteorite Fraud Squasher! Anyways...The List could vote 2 or 3 MFI's that have an interest. How this vote could be doneI don't know, but I am sure with all the brilliant minds that this List has, that a great suggestion is out there. These would be the people that the rest of the List would contact (via another email) when a fraudulent situation takes place. Now the rest of the List is not exposed to any allegation. The MFI's would research the history of the suspected Dealer/Seller in a fair timely fashion and communicate with the other 2 MFI's of their findings. Finally if the situation is found to NOT be fraudulent, the MFI's need only contact the person that thought fraud was taking place and explain their findings. Now all is calm on the List. If however the findings show fraud (several very strong circumstantial evidences could warrant fraud) Then the MFI's could officially announce this to the List! Though the IMCA does something similar, not everyone on this List is a Member of the IMCA. It would be beneficial anyways, in having 2 entities helping to combat the destruction of our collections and reputations as meteorite collectors, sellers, dealers, and hunters, especially since the Meteorite Central List doesn't appear to be going away for a very long time if ever. Maybe a bi-monthly or monthly email to the entire List as a reminder of who to contact (MFI's) if fraud is suspected. We need to all watch our backs. It will only get worse. Lets not allow differences between dealers and or mistakes stand in the way but rather concentrate on the benefit for all of us, to rid of this pandemic air borne disease of meteorite fraud. This hurts every single collector on this List, whether I like you or you don't like me bla bla bla...the bottom line is we have a common interest and that is the love of this great hobby. Lets protect it. Just my 2 cents is all. I know it sounds silly, but the bottom line is Al is right, and somehow we need to stomp out these greedy meteorite flea fakes! Say that 3 times fast! It's FAKES not FLAKES lol Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes,
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar Meteorites
Thanks again, Frank, for forwarding my below note earlier today when I was on a web interface and couldn't directly post to the list. Since the scam and fraud notion is still being floated with Todd's name on it, I'm posting again directly here so it's at least in the archives. Apologies for the redundancy... Hello List, While I haven't seen where Todd Parker's name was mentioned as a possible scammer other than in Al Mitterling's recent post (I haven't been closely following the thread), TODD PARKER MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT A SCAMMER OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT. To the contrary, Todd is probably one of the finest people I've had the pleasure of knowing -- inside or outside of the meteorite community. Presumably this mention has something to do with the recent Mifflin thread, but Todd's name shouldn't be associated with anything other than integrity -- he is a class act, to be sure. All the best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Don Merchant Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 8:06 PM To: al mitt; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Al and the rest of the List. I agree totally with you Al. One thing as you mentioned that I have noticed over the years is that there is that chance someone can get hurt by accusations of fraud ect. Yet how can this be done so as to avoid this? I have an idea that might work but may need refining. Maybe we can ask the List for 2 or 3 volunteers who 1) Has been a Listie of good and long standing. 2) Has built an excellent reputation of their name in the meteorite community, which includes experience with buying and selling meteorites, with knowledge of meteorite composition both internal and external. 3) Last but not least, always desired to be a CSI and so a great opportunity to be an MFI or Meteorite Fraud Investigator. I myself like MFS Meteorite Fraud Squasher! Anyways...The List could vote 2 or 3 MFI's that have an interest. How this vote could be doneI don't know, but I am sure with all the brilliant minds that this List has, that a great suggestion is out there. These would be the people that the rest of the List would contact (via another email) when a fraudulent situation takes place. Now the rest of the List is not exposed to any allegation. The MFI's would research the history of the suspected Dealer/Seller in a fair timely fashion and communicate with the other 2 MFI's of their findings. Finally if the situation is found to NOT be fraudulent, the MFI's need only contact the person that thought fraud was taking place and explain their findings. Now all is calm on the List. If however the findings show fraud (several very strong circumstantial evidences could warrant fraud) Then the MFI's could officially announce this to the List! Though the IMCA does something similar, not everyone on this List is a Member of the IMCA. It would be beneficial anyways, in having 2 entities helping to combat the destruction of our collections and reputations as meteorite collectors, sellers, dealers, and hunters, especially since the Meteorite Central List doesn't appear to be going away for a very long time if ever. Maybe a bi-monthly or monthly email to the entire List as a reminder of who to contact (MFI's) if fraud is suspected. We need to all watch our backs. It will only get worse. Lets not allow differences between dealers and or mistakes stand in the way but rather concentrate on the benefit for all of us, to rid of this pandemic air borne disease of meteorite fraud. This hurts every single collector on this List, whether I like you or you don't like me bla bla bla...the bottom line is we have a common interest and that is the love of this great hobby. Lets protect it. Just my 2 cents is all. I know it sounds silly, but the bottom line is Al is right, and somehow we need to stomp out these greedy meteorite flea fakes! Say that 3 times fast! It's FAKES not FLAKES lol Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not talking about someone who has made a mistake. In order to qualify, the person or company in question would have to have evidence that would support their efforts to be purposely doing
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar Meteorites
Al, I have purchased specimens from Todd over several years now. I am looking at some of these as I write this, which he personally found in the Whetstone Mountains, and in the Buck Mountains, of Arizona. And which, are unquestionably authentic SOMEONE HAS MADE A HUGE MISTAKE HERE, and should retract their error. Jonathan Dongell ICMA 3922 - Original Message - From: Dave Gheesling d...@fallingrocks.com To: 'Don Merchant' dmerc...@rochester.rr.com; 'al mitt' alm...@kconline.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: 'Chris Spratt' cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar Meteorites Thanks again, Frank, for forwarding my below note earlier today when I was on a web interface and couldn't directly post to the list. Since the scam and fraud notion is still being floated with Todd's name on it, I'm posting again directly here so it's at least in the archives. Apologies for the redundancy... Hello List, While I haven't seen where Todd Parker's name was mentioned as a possible scammer other than in Al Mitterling's recent post (I haven't been closely following the thread), TODD PARKER MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT A SCAMMER OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT. To the contrary, Todd is probably one of the finest people I've had the pleasure of knowing -- inside or outside of the meteorite community. Presumably this mention has something to do with the recent Mifflin thread, but Todd's name shouldn't be associated with anything other than integrity -- he is a class act, to be sure. All the best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Don Merchant Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 8:06 PM To: al mitt; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Al and the rest of the List. I agree totally with you Al. One thing as you mentioned that I have noticed over the years is that there is that chance someone can get hurt by accusations of fraud ect. Yet how can this be done so as to avoid this? I have an idea that might work but may need refining. Maybe we can ask the List for 2 or 3 volunteers who 1) Has been a Listie of good and long standing. 2) Has built an excellent reputation of their name in the meteorite community, which includes experience with buying and selling meteorites, with knowledge of meteorite composition both internal and external. 3) Last but not least, always desired to be a CSI and so a great opportunity to be an MFI or Meteorite Fraud Investigator. I myself like MFS Meteorite Fraud Squasher! Anyways...The List could vote 2 or 3 MFI's that have an interest. How this vote could be doneI don't know, but I am sure with all the brilliant minds that this List has, that a great suggestion is out there. These would be the people that the rest of the List would contact (via another email) when a fraudulent situation takes place. Now the rest of the List is not exposed to any allegation. The MFI's would research the history of the suspected Dealer/Seller in a fair timely fashion and communicate with the other 2 MFI's of their findings. Finally if the situation is found to NOT be fraudulent, the MFI's need only contact the person that thought fraud was taking place and explain their findings. Now all is calm on the List. If however the findings show fraud (several very strong circumstantial evidences could warrant fraud) Then the MFI's could officially announce this to the List! Though the IMCA does something similar, not everyone on this List is a Member of the IMCA. It would be beneficial anyways, in having 2 entities helping to combat the destruction of our collections and reputations as meteorite collectors, sellers, dealers, and hunters, especially since the Meteorite Central List doesn't appear to be going away for a very long time if ever. Maybe a bi-monthly or monthly email to the entire List as a reminder of who to contact (MFI's) if fraud is suspected. We need to all watch our backs. It will only get worse. Lets not allow differences between dealers and or mistakes stand in the way but rather concentrate on the benefit for all of us, to rid of this pandemic air borne disease of meteorite fraud. This hurts every single collector on this List, whether I like you or you don't like me bla bla bla...the bottom line is we have a common interest and that is the love of this great hobby. Lets protect it. Just my 2 cents is all. I know it sounds silly, but the bottom line is Al is right, and somehow we need to stomp out these greedy meteorite flea fakes! Say that 3 times fast! It's FAKES not FLAKES lol Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To:
[meteorite-list] AD: Ebay meteorites going cheap Right Now
I have a couple dozen meteorites now ending on ebay (Some already ended so check quick) including completely crusted meteorites still bid at one cent and ending in 35 minutes. See my ebay user id AMUNRE Or click here: http://stores.ebay.com/DEANS-COLLECTIBLES-AND-GEMSTONES?_rdc=1 Sincerely DEAN __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Thread regarding scams
Personally I don't think a black-balled list is a good idea at all, it puts the finger pointers at risk and makes the association look bad. What it sounds like is the IMCA needs to get involved and promote members that are dealers in good standing and if any member is caught selling fraudulently they will lose their membership. Consumers and collectors can be educated to only by from members of a reputable association that verifies members and will admonish them if they don't act with utmost honesty and integrity. I certainly wouldn't trust a lawyer that was disbarred or a stock broker that wasn't a member of the NASD. I'm not a dealer and have a very limited collection, and will only buy from a legitimate dealer. Seeing these posts on this forum is distracting from the real discussions and now they have spread to the FB Meteorite group. Rob Holcomb (not an IMCA affiliate) -- From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 8:22 PM To: 'Meteorite-list List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New Thread regarding scams Hi List, It is no debate that scams should be recognized and exposed, and shared on this List...yet pending un-intended consequences (liable lawsuits and false accusations) will weigh heavily upon us all if they are in fact ill conceived and recklessly tossed about. Our objective is to maintain integrityand the majority of participants here have more than a rudimentary knowledge in things meteoritic, and know already when a sham is under way. This recent suggestion of a blacked-list of scammers is currently directed at all of us, yet not yet directed to the un-informed, and therefore really doesn't reach those new to meteorites...(they are also most likely not members of this List and our discussions...hence the dillema.) I suggest that we simply alert the rest of the community when suspect substitutes or outright fraud appears. Simple as it seems, word of mouth, or word of List, will alert us. And then we'll investigate it. En route, keep the culprit at bay. En route, I don't see an upside to pointing out fraudsters in a formal-format-published-list, since the potential downside would only further the fire; also potentially harm an already fragile public opinion. Remember that most newbie eBayers aren't even aware of this discussion, nor of the List and this thread. Yes, this is a big problem if fraudulent eBay listings spawn and infect collections. What to do, besides writing individual opinions to those infected? Some thoughts: Pointing out fraudulent people is much more volitile than pointing out meteorwongs, and miss-labled true specimens (although, the Mifflin case may offer a compelling counter to this suggestion) since meteoritic knowledge speaks volumes on its own. So, I suggest we follow a true path to a solution to an ongoing issue: spread knowledge of our meteorites, and avoid getting trapped in the process. -Richard Montgomery __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Information needed regarding NWA 4419
Hello All, I'd like to know who, if anyone on this list, obtained the NWA number 4419 and had the R-chondrite analyzed. I purchased a number of pieces of it, but, when looking it up in the bulletin, mine don't appear to match the physical description of the meteorite. I'd be fine with keeping the information anonymous and private, but would like to know, if someone on the list did reserve this number, if they could verify whether or not the meteorites I have match this NWA number or not. Any information would be appreciated - if any list member didn't reserve the number, but could send a photo of a sample they have -- or any information at all regarding the stone in addition to what is mentioned in the bulletin -- anything like that would be appreciated. Thanks, Jason Utas __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
