Re: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite
Hi, Thanks for the kind words, Count, but in truth they are undeserved; Lovina was determined to be a meteorite at the time of my acquisition, and I merely facilitated further analysis once a question was raised. Had Lovina not been included in the Meteoritical Bulletin, I can't say I would have acquired it. Let's also put this context, please recall Lovina's elemental signature---the elements and the proper elemental ratios---points to extraterrestrial origin. One esteemed researcher likened the odds of a terrestrial object matching a meteorite's highly specific signature as closely as Lovina's does to be akin of winning a very large lotto prize---which is to say "extremely unlikely." (Lovina may be the closest thing to a meteorite on Earth.) As it regards the comment concerning the ziggurat structures: yes, it's the presence of tetrataenite, a high nickel content and the object being in solution for hundreds of years---if not more---which is responsible for these unique structures. As it regards the comment regarding the roller coaster: I assure you I can relateand in an effort to preserve what little is left of my sanity, I need to hop off. ;-) All the best / Darryl On May 24, 2011, at 10:52 PM, Count Deiro wrote: > I know how disappointed you must be, Darryl. You spent a great deal of blood > and treasure directing and paying for the the analysis of this still > extraordinary apecimen. The professionalism and honesty of your efforts to > find the truth of Lovinia is apparent to all. The piece sure did capture the > imagination. I was hoping for a different outcome, so I could have a piece. > > Best personal regards, > > Guido > > > > -Original Message- >> From: Darryl Pitt >> Sent: May 24, 2011 6:22 PM >> To: Meteorite-list List >> Cc: Baiyu >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite >> >> >> >> Greetings: >> >> I just received a preliminary abstract on Lovina from Kuni Nishiizumi of UC >> Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory. Kuni, the abstract's lead author, >> concluded it is unlikely Lovina is a meteorite. The markers analyzed were >> beryllium and chlorine concentrations and the paucity of cosmogenic >> radionuclides (only Gibeon and Nantan show less). One more round of tests >> will occur and further conclusions will be drawn from the same. The abstract >> entitled "Lovina: is this a Meteorite?" will appear in the MAPS volume >> associated with the 74th Annual Meteoritical Society Meeting this coming >> August. >> >> It has been suggested by some diehards that the bubbling evident in the >> Lovina mass could have been the result of smelting, and that the lack of >> cosmogenic radiation could be explained by Lovina having been near the >> center of a much larger mass---as we know Lovina originated from at least a >> somewhat larger mass for the ziggurat structures to have formed. However, >> in the spirit of embracing the most likely of explanations, it seems >> compelling to conclude that the most likely explanation for an expanding >> host of anomalies is Lovina's terrestrial origin. >> >> Accordingly, I've decided to no longer offer Lovina as a meteorite and have >> asked my webmaster to take down references to the same on Macovich.com at >> her earliest possible convenience. >> >> >> All best / Darryl >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
Adam, This is true, however I was thinking more along the lines of the crystallization age of ALH8400 setting it apart from all other Martian meteorites, making it truly unique among Martians. Do you or anyone else know of a Martian meteorite which comes close to the crystallization age of ALH84001? Maybe I missed it. If so, I would be grateful for any info. -Walter - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" To: "Adam" Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge,Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Hi Walter and List, While I am certainly no expert on the subject, the discovery of organized elements (fossil lifeforms) like the ones that made ALH84001 famous have been found in every Nakhlite that has been analyzed so far. Researches told me and reported in the news that NWA 998 is choked full of these same structures. I suspended sells of NWA 998 a long time ago so this is not a trick on my behalf to promote it. The researchers are doing a great job of this themselves. Nakhla was the second meteorite that these organized elements, for lack of a better term, were found. I think Jim Strope has some available despite his announcement that all sales of NWA 998 are suspended until further notice. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Walter Branch To: Adam Hupe Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 5:13:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge,Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Adam- There are other Martian Meteorites (Nakhlites) that exhibit the same characteristics that made this stone most famous. Which ones and what characteristics? -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" To: "Adam" Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge,Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Hi Mike, I think it is good to have contests and bring issues to the forefront. You claimed: But, Antarctica still claims the Holy Grail (to some) of meteorites - ALH84001. My response: There are other Martian Meteorites (Nakhlites) that exhibit the same characteristics that made this stone most famous. Don't get me wrong, ALH84001 is a unique and fantastic stone. I believe there are equally fantastic and unique stones from the Sahara and more of them than from Antarctica. They are just not thrown in front of the press and promoted as hard. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Michael Gilmer To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 4:22:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Hi Adam, Good point and I had not considered that. It does seem like more than half of the Antarctics in the Bulletin weigh less than 2-5 grams. Some weigh less than 1g. I think we need to make sure that all NWA meteorites get their fair due and receive individual classification. What reputable scientist will now step forward and agree to classify (pro bono) one million sandblasted H5/W4 fragments? Any volunteers? Ted? Alan? Tony? ;) LOL I also agree that, hands down, the Sahara has produced far more rare types and planetaries than Antarctica. But, Antarctica still claims the Holy Grail (to some) of meteorites - ALH84001. I'm glad I posted this little contest today, it has resulted in some knowledge gain. :) Best regards, MikeG - - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - - On 5/24/11, Adam Hupe wrote: As far as Antarctic finds go, the numbers are skewed and biased. Every fragment is counted as a find. The finds from Antarctica are only a fraction of what they once were. Pretty soon, it won't be cost effective to work this area. If they counted the number of meteorites from Northwest Africa the same way, then there would easily be over one million pieces. There must be over 100,000 pieces of NWA 869 alone! The Sahara Desert is by far the most productive meteorite producing region in the world, second to none! More weight and rare specimens have come from this area by far. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.met
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Native Americans and Meteorites
Phil Wrote: All the irons associated with aboriginal peoples make it even weirder that the Winona was treated as a special rock. We'll never know the story. My best guess: Winonaite inclusions are found in iron meteorites. Winona is not that far from Meteor Crater in Winslow. Perhaps Winona and Canyon Diablo are related. Maybe the shape and density of the meteorite made it desirable to the Native Americans.Native Americans were experts at working with stones and know when something is special. Thousands of years of working rocks have fine tuned their culture to know when something is special. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: JoshuaTreeMuseum To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 6:49:24 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Native Americans and Meteorites Hello Mike: It seems strange that the Sinagua people venerated an unusual achrondite (metachondrite) meteorite stone when they were so close to the Canyon Diablo crater and strewnfield. Surely they noticed how different the iron meteorites were from other local rocks. Yet they chose to bury an extremely rare type stone meteorite in the same manner as they would a child. Small children have been found buried in similar stone cists on pit house floors. This egg-shaped 24 kg rock was somehow special to them. Nobody knows why. According to Nininger, the Navaho irons were found in 1922 buried under stones piled into a cairn. Ornaments were found underneath one of the meteorites. The irons had grooves on their surfaces from stone tools. Also in 1922, the Mesa Verde meteorite was discovered in the remains of the Sun Shrine House in Mesa Verde National Park. In 1930, the Pojoaque meteorite was found buried in a clay pot on a village site. Archaeological investigators speculated the stone was carried around in a mojo bag due to its signs of wear by handling. Nininger later paired the Pojoaque with the Glorietta, found about 30 miles from the village site. The Casas Grandes iron was found buried in the Casa Grandes ruins of Chihuahua. It was discovered wrapped in a "mummy cloth." The Huizopa irons were found in ruins in western Chihuahua. Nininger adds that the meteorites of Red River, Wichita County, Iron Creek, Willamette and Cape York were all objects of veneration and the destination of pilmigrages. All the irons associated with aboriginal peoples make it even weirder that the Winona was treated as a special rock. We'll never know the story. Phil Whitmer _ Hi Phil, Thanks for the clarifications. Just when I think I am a smart cookie, I find out that I don't know jack squat. LOL So, I wonder what the modern finders of the Winona meteorite thought when they dug it up? Did they know it was a meteorite at first? And what other artifacts were found in that same hole (if any)? This makes me wonder if Winona was a witnessed fall? Would the indians have known that Winona was special and not just another rock, unless they had seen it fall? Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - \ On 5/24/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > Just a few minor corrections. Hopewell and Anasazi are not names of tribes. > They signify prehistoric traditions or cultures, not individual tribes. We > don't know the names of prehistoric tribes because they left no written > histories. The large earthworks built by Midwestern and Eastern prehistoric > American Indians are not burial mounds. While some contain burials, this > does not seem to be the primary purpose of the mounds. Archaeologists > believe the mounds were for ceremonial and social purposes. Some have > postulated the earthern structures were astronomical observatories. I just > saw a documentary on the Chaco Canyon culture where they showed how all the > buildings, kivas and towers were designed to line up on the solstices. The > western Native Americans did not build mounds. It was the Sinagua people, > not the Anasazi, who interred the Winona meteorite in a stone cist dug into > the floor of a pit house. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http:/
Re: [meteorite-list] Nice space junk
Not just any bolt, but one off of Gagarin's Vostok? $3k is dirt cheap. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
Hi Walter and List, While I am certainly no expert on the subject, the discovery of organized elements (fossil lifeforms) like the ones that made ALH84001 famous have been found in every Nakhlite that has been analyzed so far. Researches told me and reported in the news that NWA 998 is choked full of these same structures. I suspended sells of NWA 998 a long time ago so this is not a trick on my behalf to promote it. The researchers are doing a great job of this themselves. Nakhla was the second meteorite that these organized elements, for lack of a better term, were found. I think Jim Strope has some available despite his announcement that all sales of NWA 998 are suspended until further notice. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Walter Branch To: Adam Hupe Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 5:13:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge,Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Adam- >There are other Martian Meteorites (Nakhlites) that >exhibit the same characteristics that made this stone >most famous. Which ones and what characteristics? -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" To: "Adam" Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge,Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! > Hi Mike, > > I think it is good to have contests and bring issues to the forefront. > > You claimed: > But, Antarctica still claims the Holy Grail (to some) of meteorites - > ALH84001. > > My response: > > There are other Martian Meteorites (Nakhlites) that exhibit the same > characteristics that made this stone most famous. Don't get me wrong, > ALH84001 > is a unique and fantastic stone. I believe there are equally fantastic > and > unique stones from the Sahara and more of them than from Antarctica. They > are > just not thrown in front of the press and promoted as hard. > > Best Regards, > > Adam > > > - Original Message > From: Michael Gilmer > To: Adam Hupe > Cc: Adam > Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 4:22:44 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free > Assortment of Micromounts! > > Hi Adam, > > Good point and I had not considered that. It does seem like more than > half of the Antarctics in the Bulletin weigh less than 2-5 grams. > Some weigh less than 1g. > > I think we need to make sure that all NWA meteorites get their fair > due and receive individual classification. What reputable scientist > will now step forward and agree to classify (pro bono) one million > sandblasted H5/W4 fragments? Any volunteers? Ted? Alan? Tony? ;) > LOL > > I also agree that, hands down, the Sahara has produced far more rare > types and planetaries than Antarctica. But, Antarctica still claims > the Holy Grail (to some) of meteorites - ALH84001. > > I'm glad I posted this little contest today, it has resulted in some > knowledge gain. :) > > Best regards, > > MikeG > >- >- > > Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) > > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 > News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone > EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 >- >- > > > > On 5/24/11, Adam Hupe wrote: >> As far as Antarctic finds go, the numbers are skewed and biased. Every >> fragment >> is counted as a find. The finds from Antarctica are only a fraction of >> what >> they once were. Pretty soon, it won't be cost effective to work this >> area. >> If >> they counted the number of meteorites from Northwest Africa the same way, >> then >> there would easily be over one million pieces. There must be over 100,000 >> pieces >> of NWA 869 alone! The Sahara Desert is by far the most productive >> meteorite >> producing region in the world, second to none! More weight and rare >> specimens >> have come from this area by far. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Adam >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://
[meteorite-list] FOR SALE AD: (5) Different Meteorites on Ebay---Arivaca Creek, Bassi, Tishka/Tamdahkt, NWA 2696 & UNC.
HI All, I have put together a nice grouping of (5) different Meteorites FOR SALE on ebay as a set. You can also use the BUY IT NOW feature on this one! This is a great set of (5) Meteorites including Bassi, Tishka/Tamdahkt, Arivaca Creek, some nice size Micro's of NWA 2696 and a good sized 42 gram stone of some Unclassified NWA with lots of metal---comes with two nice cut viewing windows too! See auction here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120726635059&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT Thank you much & have a great night!! Best, Kirk.:-) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite
I was once forwarded a suspected meteorite by a German friend that was found by a King on a tiny atoll in an island nation. It was very much different than all of the surrounding material is the reason he picked it up to begin with. We deduced that it was probably a ballast stone. It was a heavy dense stone that reminds me of Lovina. Heavy rocks and slag were loaded as ballast in ships' hulls. The ship wrecks on the beach, then weathers away and all that is left is a pile of dense ballast stones and slag that have no relationship with their surroundings. My best guess is that Lovina is an industrial byproduct (slag) used as ballast and left behind on a beach. It seems at least plausible since it is not a meteorite. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Richard Montgomery To: Count Deiro ; Darryl Pitt ; Meteorite-list List Cc: Baiyu Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 8:03:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite Lovina remains a high priority for me! List, please correct me, since I'm no doubt way off base here, but wasn't the original mass's physical appearance attributed in part to a saline submersion refractory? It was my first red-flag. Still, Lovina is THE most amazing structure, whether or not terrestrial. (I have a prominent empty spot on my wrong-shelf dedicated to Lovina, along side a mostly siderite vs.olivine Shirkowski, and then a translucent olivine Shir-slice; and a Mendota-wrong.) These curious query-wrongs are awesome!!! -Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: "Count Deiro" To: "Darryl Pitt" ; "Meteorite-list List" Cc: "Baiyu" Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite > I know how disappointed you must be, Darryl. You spent a great deal of blood >and treasure directing and paying for the the analysis of this still >extraordinary apecimen. The professionalism and honesty of your efforts to >find >the truth of Lovinia is apparent to all. The piece sure did capture the >imagination. I was hoping for a different outcome, so I could have a piece. > > Best personal regards, > > Guido > > > > -Original Message- >> From: Darryl Pitt >> Sent: May 24, 2011 6:22 PM >> To: Meteorite-list List >> Cc: Baiyu >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite >> >> >> >> Greetings: >> >> I just received a preliminary abstract on Lovina from Kuni Nishiizumi of UC >>Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory. Kuni, the abstract's lead author, >>concluded it is unlikely Lovina is a meteorite. The markers analyzed were >>beryllium and chlorine concentrations and the paucity of cosmogenic >>radionuclides (only Gibeon and Nantan show less). One more round of tests >>will >>occur and further conclusions will be drawn from the same. The abstract >>entitled >>"Lovina: is this a Meteorite?" will appear in the MAPS volume associated with >>the 74th Annual Meteoritical Society Meeting this coming August. >> >> It has been suggested by some diehards that the bubbling evident in the >> Lovina >>mass could have been the result of smelting, and that the lack of cosmogenic >>radiation could be explained by Lovina having been near the center of a much >>larger mass---as we know Lovina originated from at least a somewhat larger >>mass >>for the ziggurat structures to have formed. However, in the spirit of >>embracing >>the most likely of explanations, it seems compelling to conclude that the >>most >>likely explanation for an expanding host of anomalies is Lovina's terrestrial >>origin. >> >> Accordingly, I've decided to no longer offer Lovina as a meteorite and have >>asked my webmaster to take down references to the same on Macovich.com at her >>earliest possible convenience. >> >> >> All best / Darryl >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite
G'Day Everyone, (sorry too many to list) When Lovina came to light, I was impressed. I had never seen anything like it and to be honest, I had my doubts. Then the situation progressed and I thought, wow, this is spectacular and you must admit, it's one hell of a piece! My first thoughts when this came to fruitation was a Manganese Nodule highly abrated and managed to surface itself on a beach, that's when the story began. I withdrew into my shell in disgust and embarrassment and then Lovina erupted again and I was excited. Now this latest issue... Please, you've got to stop. I've been on this roller coaster ride for a long time and I'm about to puke ;-)) But in the great words of Mike G, even though I don't own any Lovina, whatever is associated with it has been suspended from sale until further notice. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gilmer Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:54 PM To: Count Deiro Cc: Meteorite-list List; Baiyu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite Well said Count. I agree 100%. Of course, meteorite or not, it's still worth acquiring (IMO).:) Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - ] On 5/24/11, Count Deiro wrote: > I know how disappointed you must be, Darryl. You spent a great deal of > blood and treasure directing and paying for the the analysis of this > still extraordinary apecimen. The professionalism and honesty of your > efforts to find the truth of Lovinia is apparent to all. The piece > sure did capture the imagination. I was hoping for a different > outcome, so I could have a piece. > > Best personal regards, > > Guido > > > > -Original Message- >>From: Darryl Pitt >>Sent: May 24, 2011 6:22 PM >>To: Meteorite-list List >>Cc: Baiyu >>Subject: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite >> >> >> >>Greetings: >> >>I just received a preliminary abstract on Lovina from Kuni Nishiizumi >>of UC Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory. Kuni, the abstract's >>lead author, concluded it is unlikely Lovina is a meteorite. The >>markers analyzed were beryllium and chlorine concentrations and the >>paucity of cosmogenic radionuclides (only Gibeon and Nantan show >>less). One more round of tests will occur and further conclusions >>will be drawn from the same. The abstract entitled "Lovina: is this a >>Meteorite?" will appear in the MAPS volume associated with the 74th >>Annual Meteoritical Society Meeting this coming August. >> >>It has been suggested by some diehards that the bubbling evident in >>the Lovina mass could have been the result of smelting, and that the >>lack of cosmogenic radiation could be explained by Lovina having been >>near the center of a much larger mass---as we know Lovina originated >>from at least a somewhat larger mass for the ziggurat structures to >>have formed. However, in the spirit of embracing the most likely of >>explanations, it seems compelling to conclude that the most likely >>explanation for an expanding host of anomalies is Lovina's >>terrestrial origin. >> >>Accordingly, I've decided to no longer offer Lovina as a meteorite and >>have asked my webmaster to take down references to the same on >>Macovich.com at her earliest possible convenience. >> >> >>All best / Darryl >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>__ >>Visit the Archives at >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Native Americans and Meteorites
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite
Lovina remains a high priority for me! List, please correct me, since I'm no doubt way off base here, but wasn't the original mass's physical appearance attributed in part to a saline submersion refractory? It was my first red-flag. Still, Lovina is THE most amazing structure, whether or not terrestrial. (I have a prominent empty spot on my wrong-shelf dedicated to Lovina, along side a mostly siderite vs.olivine Shirkowski, and then a translucent olivine Shir-slice; and a Mendota-wrong.) These curious query-wrongs are awesome!!! -Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: "Count Deiro" To: "Darryl Pitt" ; "Meteorite-list List" Cc: "Baiyu" Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite I know how disappointed you must be, Darryl. You spent a great deal of blood and treasure directing and paying for the the analysis of this still extraordinary apecimen. The professionalism and honesty of your efforts to find the truth of Lovinia is apparent to all. The piece sure did capture the imagination. I was hoping for a different outcome, so I could have a piece. Best personal regards, Guido -Original Message- From: Darryl Pitt Sent: May 24, 2011 6:22 PM To: Meteorite-list List Cc: Baiyu Subject: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite Greetings: I just received a preliminary abstract on Lovina from Kuni Nishiizumi of UC Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory. Kuni, the abstract's lead author, concluded it is unlikely Lovina is a meteorite. The markers analyzed were beryllium and chlorine concentrations and the paucity of cosmogenic radionuclides (only Gibeon and Nantan show less). One more round of tests will occur and further conclusions will be drawn from the same. The abstract entitled "Lovina: is this a Meteorite?" will appear in the MAPS volume associated with the 74th Annual Meteoritical Society Meeting this coming August. It has been suggested by some diehards that the bubbling evident in the Lovina mass could have been the result of smelting, and that the lack of cosmogenic radiation could be explained by Lovina having been near the center of a much larger mass---as we know Lovina originated from at least a somewhat larger mass for the ziggurat structures to have formed. However, in the spirit of embracing the most likely of explanations, it seems compelling to conclude that the most likely explanation for an expanding host of anomalies is Lovina's terrestrial origin. Accordingly, I've decided to no longer offer Lovina as a meteorite and have asked my webmaster to take down references to the same on Macovich.com at her earliest possible convenience. All best / Darryl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite
Well said Count. I agree 100%. Of course, meteorite or not, it's still worth acquiring (IMO).:) Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - ] On 5/24/11, Count Deiro wrote: > I know how disappointed you must be, Darryl. You spent a great deal of blood > and treasure directing and paying for the the analysis of this still > extraordinary apecimen. The professionalism and honesty of your efforts to > find the truth of Lovinia is apparent to all. The piece sure did capture the > imagination. I was hoping for a different outcome, so I could have a piece. > > Best personal regards, > > Guido > > > > -Original Message- >>From: Darryl Pitt >>Sent: May 24, 2011 6:22 PM >>To: Meteorite-list List >>Cc: Baiyu >>Subject: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite >> >> >> >>Greetings: >> >>I just received a preliminary abstract on Lovina from Kuni Nishiizumi of UC >> Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory. Kuni, the abstract's lead author, >> concluded it is unlikely Lovina is a meteorite. The markers analyzed were >> beryllium and chlorine concentrations and the paucity of cosmogenic >> radionuclides (only Gibeon and Nantan show less). One more round of tests >> will occur and further conclusions will be drawn from the same. The >> abstract entitled "Lovina: is this a Meteorite?" will appear in the MAPS >> volume associated with the 74th Annual Meteoritical Society Meeting this >> coming August. >> >>It has been suggested by some diehards that the bubbling evident in the >> Lovina mass could have been the result of smelting, and that the lack of >> cosmogenic radiation could be explained by Lovina having been near the >> center of a much larger mass---as we know Lovina originated from at least >> a somewhat larger mass for the ziggurat structures to have formed. >> However, in the spirit of embracing the most likely of explanations, it >> seems compelling to conclude that the most likely explanation for an >> expanding host of anomalies is Lovina's terrestrial origin. >> >>Accordingly, I've decided to no longer offer Lovina as a meteorite and have >> asked my webmaster to take down references to the same on Macovich.com at >> her earliest possible convenience. >> >> >>All best / Darryl >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>__ >>Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite
I know how disappointed you must be, Darryl. You spent a great deal of blood and treasure directing and paying for the the analysis of this still extraordinary apecimen. The professionalism and honesty of your efforts to find the truth of Lovinia is apparent to all. The piece sure did capture the imagination. I was hoping for a different outcome, so I could have a piece. Best personal regards, Guido -Original Message- >From: Darryl Pitt >Sent: May 24, 2011 6:22 PM >To: Meteorite-list List >Cc: Baiyu >Subject: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite > > > >Greetings: > >I just received a preliminary abstract on Lovina from Kuni Nishiizumi of UC >Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory. Kuni, the abstract's lead author, >concluded it is unlikely Lovina is a meteorite. The markers analyzed were >beryllium and chlorine concentrations and the paucity of cosmogenic >radionuclides (only Gibeon and Nantan show less). One more round of tests will >occur and further conclusions will be drawn from the same. The abstract >entitled "Lovina: is this a Meteorite?" will appear in the MAPS volume >associated with the 74th Annual Meteoritical Society Meeting this coming >August. > >It has been suggested by some diehards that the bubbling evident in the Lovina >mass could have been the result of smelting, and that the lack of cosmogenic >radiation could be explained by Lovina having been near the center of a much >larger mass---as we know Lovina originated from at least a somewhat larger >mass for the ziggurat structures to have formed. However, in the spirit of >embracing the most likely of explanations, it seems compelling to conclude >that the most likely explanation for an expanding host of anomalies is >Lovina's terrestrial origin. > >Accordingly, I've decided to no longer offer Lovina as a meteorite and have >asked my webmaster to take down references to the same on Macovich.com at her >earliest possible convenience. > > >All best / Darryl > > > > > > > > > > >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite
Yes, that is how it works. Jeff On 5/24/2011 10:14 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: If Lovina is not a meteorite, then I would suggest that it remain in the Bulletin with a write-up, but should be labeled a "pseudo-meteorite" like Shirokovsky. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone& Ironworks - Meteorites& Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, Jeff Grossman wrote: Meteorites can be discredited. We shall have to see about this one. Jeff On 5/24/2011 9:59 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: Man, I knew that thing was too weird to be a meteorite. I wonder if the the MetBull will take it off their list or will they leave it, like they're doing with the Al Haggounia 001 aubrite kerfuffel. Phil Whitmer ___ Greetings: I just received a preliminary abstract on Lovina from Kuni Nishiizumi of UC Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory. Kuni, the abstract's lead author, concluded it is unlikely Lovina is a meteorite. The markers analyzed were beryllium and chlorine concentrations and the paucity of cosmogenic radionuclides (only Gibeon and Nantan show less). One more round of tests will occur and further conclusions will be drawn from the same. The abstract entitled "Lovina: is this a Meteorite?" will appear in the MAPS volume associated with the 74th Annual Meteoritical Society Meeting this coming August. It has been suggested by some diehards that the bubbling evident in the Lovina mass could have been the result of smelting, and that the lack of cosmogenic radiation could be explained by Lovina having been near the center of a much larger mass---as we know Lovina originated from at least a somewhat larger mass for the ziggurat structures to have formed. However, in the spirit of embracing the most likely of explanations, it seems compelling to conclude that the most likely explanation for an expanding host of anomalies is Lovina's terrestrial origin. Accordingly, I've decided to no longer offer Lovina as a meteorite and have asked my webmaster to take down references to the same on Macovich.com at her earliest possible convenience. All best / Darryl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Forgive me if this is an insensitive question, I don't mean any disrespect. Is Harold still with us? I couldn't find anything on the web to answer that. Oddly, he doesn't have a Wikipedia entry and he seems deserving of one. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, Chris Spratt wrote: > What about the Grayton Beach stone which was found in a native midden > (garbage dump)! > > Chris Spratt > (Via my iPhone) > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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What about the Grayton Beach stone which was found in a native midden (garbage dump)! Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite
If Lovina is not a meteorite, then I would suggest that it remain in the Bulletin with a write-up, but should be labeled a "pseudo-meteorite" like Shirokovsky. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, Jeff Grossman wrote: > Meteorites can be discredited. We shall have to see about this one. > > Jeff > > On 5/24/2011 9:59 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: >> Man, I knew that thing was too weird to be a meteorite. I wonder if >> the the MetBull will take it off their list or will they leave it, >> like they're doing with the Al Haggounia 001 aubrite kerfuffel. >> >> Phil Whitmer >> >> ___ >> >> Greetings: >> >> I just received a preliminary abstract on Lovina from Kuni Nishiizumi >> of UC Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory. Kuni, the abstract's lead >> author, concluded it is unlikely Lovina is a meteorite. The markers >> analyzed were beryllium and chlorine concentrations and the paucity of >> cosmogenic radionuclides (only Gibeon and Nantan show less). One more >> round of tests will occur and further conclusions will be drawn from >> the same. The abstract entitled "Lovina: is this a Meteorite?" will >> appear in the MAPS volume associated with the 74th Annual Meteoritical >> Society Meeting this coming August. >> >> It has been suggested by some diehards that the bubbling evident in >> the Lovina mass could have been the result of smelting, and that the >> lack of cosmogenic radiation could be explained by Lovina having been >> near the center of a much larger mass---as we know Lovina originated >> from at least a somewhat larger mass for the ziggurat structures to >> have formed. However, in the spirit of embracing the most likely of >> explanations, it seems compelling to conclude that the most likely >> explanation for an expanding host of anomalies is Lovina's terrestrial >> origin. >> >> Accordingly, I've decided to no longer offer Lovina as a meteorite and >> have asked my webmaster to take down references to the same on >> Macovich.com at her earliest possible convenience. >> >> >> All best / Darryl >> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Phil, Exactly! I thought the same thing about Bonita Springs. A big 100-pound lump of rock that isn't pretty, isn't covered in peridot crystals or shiny iron. Bonita was transported to a mound (pre-Calusa in all likelihood) at a time when horses had not been introduced by the Europeans yet. How many people would lug around a back-breaking rock that doesn't look like anything special? Apparently the Indians saw or felt something special about Bonita - perhaps they witnessed it's fall. The same may be true for Winona. With Brenham and Diablo (or any iron or pallasite), it's easy to imagine some Indian finding it and saying "Wow! Look at this! It must be special." But I can't imagine them saying that about Winona or Bonita Springs. A real mystery in my opinion. I have personal pet theories about Bonita Springs, but I don't want to share them yet until I do some more research. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > Hello Mike: > > It seems strange that the Sinagua people venerated an unusual achrondite > (metachondrite) meteorite stone when they were so close to the Canyon Diablo > crater and strewnfield. Surely they noticed how different the iron > meteorites were from other local rocks. Yet they chose to bury an extremely > rare type stone meteorite in the same manner as they would a child. Small > children have been found buried in similar stone cists on pit house floors. > This egg-shaped 24 kg rock was somehow special to them. Nobody knows why. > > According to Nininger, the Navaho irons were found in 1922 buried under > stones piled into a cairn. Ornaments were found underneath one of the > meteorites. The irons had grooves on their surfaces from stone tools. Also > in 1922, the Mesa Verde meteorite was discovered in the remains of the Sun > Shrine House in Mesa Verde National Park. In 1930, the Pojoaque meteorite > was found buried in a clay pot on a village site. Archaeological > investigators speculated the stone was carried around in a mojo bag due to > its signs of wear by handling. Nininger later paired the Pojoaque with the > Glorietta, found about 30 miles from the village site. The Casas Grandes > iron was found buried in the Casa Grandes ruins of Chihuahua. It was > discovered wrapped in a "mummy cloth." The Huizopa irons were found in ruins > in western Chihuahua. Nininger adds that the meteorites of Red River, > Wichita County, Iron Creek, Willamette and Cape York were all objects of > veneration and the destination of pilmigrages. > > All the irons associated with aboriginal peoples make it even weirder that > the Winona was treated as a special rock. We'll never know the story. > > Phil Whitmer > > _ > > Hi Phil, > > Thanks for the clarifications. Just when I think I am a smart cookie, > I find out that I don't know jack squat. LOL > > So, I wonder what the modern finders of the Winona meteorite thought > when they dug it up? Did they know it was a meteorite at first? And > what other artifacts were found in that same hole (if any)? > > This makes me wonder if Winona was a witnessed fall? Would the > indians have known that Winona was special and not just another rock, > unless they had seen it fall? > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > - > Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) > > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 > News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone > EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 > - > \ > > On 5/24/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > >> Just a few minor corrections. Hopewell and Anasazi are not names of >> tribes. > >> They signify prehistoric traditions or cultures, not individual tribes. We > >> don't know the names of prehistoric tribes because they left no written > >> histories. The large earthworks built by Midwestern and Eastern >> prehistoric > >> American Indians are not burial mounds. While some contain burials, this > >> does not seem to be the primary purpose of the mounds. Archaeologists > >> believe the mounds were for ceremonial and social purposes. Some have > >> postulated the earthern structures were astro
Re: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite
Meteorites can be discredited. We shall have to see about this one. Jeff On 5/24/2011 9:59 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: Man, I knew that thing was too weird to be a meteorite. I wonder if the the MetBull will take it off their list or will they leave it, like they're doing with the Al Haggounia 001 aubrite kerfuffel. Phil Whitmer ___ Greetings: I just received a preliminary abstract on Lovina from Kuni Nishiizumi of UC Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory. Kuni, the abstract's lead author, concluded it is unlikely Lovina is a meteorite. The markers analyzed were beryllium and chlorine concentrations and the paucity of cosmogenic radionuclides (only Gibeon and Nantan show less). One more round of tests will occur and further conclusions will be drawn from the same. The abstract entitled "Lovina: is this a Meteorite?" will appear in the MAPS volume associated with the 74th Annual Meteoritical Society Meeting this coming August. It has been suggested by some diehards that the bubbling evident in the Lovina mass could have been the result of smelting, and that the lack of cosmogenic radiation could be explained by Lovina having been near the center of a much larger mass---as we know Lovina originated from at least a somewhat larger mass for the ziggurat structures to have formed. However, in the spirit of embracing the most likely of explanations, it seems compelling to conclude that the most likely explanation for an expanding host of anomalies is Lovina's terrestrial origin. Accordingly, I've decided to no longer offer Lovina as a meteorite and have asked my webmaster to take down references to the same on Macovich.com at her earliest possible convenience. All best / Darryl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite
Man, I knew that thing was too weird to be a meteorite. I wonder if the the MetBull will take it off their list or will they leave it, like they're doing with the Al Haggounia 001 aubrite kerfuffel. Phil Whitmer ___ Greetings: I just received a preliminary abstract on Lovina from Kuni Nishiizumi of UC Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory. Kuni, the abstract's lead author, concluded it is unlikely Lovina is a meteorite. The markers analyzed were beryllium and chlorine concentrations and the paucity of cosmogenic radionuclides (only Gibeon and Nantan show less). One more round of tests will occur and further conclusions will be drawn from the same. The abstract entitled "Lovina: is this a Meteorite?" will appear in the MAPS volume associated with the 74th Annual Meteoritical Society Meeting this coming August. It has been suggested by some diehards that the bubbling evident in the Lovina mass could have been the result of smelting, and that the lack of cosmogenic radiation could be explained by Lovina having been near the center of a much larger mass---as we know Lovina originated from at least a somewhat larger mass for the ziggurat structures to have formed. However, in the spirit of embracing the most likely of explanations, it seems compelling to conclude that the most likely explanation for an expanding host of anomalies is Lovina's terrestrial origin. Accordingly, I've decided to no longer offer Lovina as a meteorite and have asked my webmaster to take down references to the same on Macovich.com at her earliest possible convenience. All best / Darryl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Mike: It seems strange that the Sinagua people venerated an unusual achrondite (metachondrite) meteorite stone when they were so close to the Canyon Diablo crater and strewnfield. Surely they noticed how different the iron meteorites were from other local rocks. Yet they chose to bury an extremely rare type stone meteorite in the same manner as they would a child. Small children have been found buried in similar stone cists on pit house floors. This egg-shaped 24 kg rock was somehow special to them. Nobody knows why. According to Nininger, the Navaho irons were found in 1922 buried under stones piled into a cairn. Ornaments were found underneath one of the meteorites. The irons had grooves on their surfaces from stone tools. Also in 1922, the Mesa Verde meteorite was discovered in the remains of the Sun Shrine House in Mesa Verde National Park. In 1930, the Pojoaque meteorite was found buried in a clay pot on a village site. Archaeological investigators speculated the stone was carried around in a mojo bag due to its signs of wear by handling. Nininger later paired the Pojoaque with the Glorietta, found about 30 miles from the village site. The Casas Grandes iron was found buried in the Casa Grandes ruins of Chihuahua. It was discovered wrapped in a "mummy cloth." The Huizopa irons were found in ruins in western Chihuahua. Nininger adds that the meteorites of Red River, Wichita County, Iron Creek, Willamette and Cape York were all objects of veneration and the destination of pilmigrages. All the irons associated with aboriginal peoples make it even weirder that the Winona was treated as a special rock. We'll never know the story. Phil Whitmer _ Hi Phil, Thanks for the clarifications. Just when I think I am a smart cookie, I find out that I don't know jack squat. LOL So, I wonder what the modern finders of the Winona meteorite thought when they dug it up? Did they know it was a meteorite at first? And what other artifacts were found in that same hole (if any)? This makes me wonder if Winona was a witnessed fall? Would the indians have known that Winona was special and not just another rock, unless they had seen it fall? Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - \ On 5/24/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: Just a few minor corrections. Hopewell and Anasazi are not names of tribes. They signify prehistoric traditions or cultures, not individual tribes. We don't know the names of prehistoric tribes because they left no written histories. The large earthworks built by Midwestern and Eastern prehistoric American Indians are not burial mounds. While some contain burials, this does not seem to be the primary purpose of the mounds. Archaeologists believe the mounds were for ceremonial and social purposes. Some have postulated the earthern structures were astronomical observatories. I just saw a documentary on the Chaco Canyon culture where they showed how all the buildings, kivas and towers were designed to line up on the solstices. The western Native Americans did not build mounds. It was the Sinagua people, not the Anasazi, who interred the Winona meteorite in a stone cist dug into the floor of a pit house. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
Adam, List and all... Will the NWA deserts continue to yield numbers? Considering the ice-sheet models vs. desert sands, my question surrounds the ablation issue(terrestrial)... ice vs. sand. Which environment will yield more?? Considering constraints of foraging in sub-zero-temp environs and still, the challenging (and sometimes politically lethal) desert environs...what are this List's thoughts? Have any studies been done in this regard? We are living in the meteorite-rushdiscoveries of new finds in our cherished discovery zones will eventually become depletedand I've thought that the African deserts would soon become depleted in relation to ice-ablation models in the antartic...yet, considering the vast area (miles^2) of sand vs. ice, and considering the ongoing discoveries in the desert, not even to mention sand ablation...I do wonder. -Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" To: "Adam" Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge,Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! As far as Antarctic finds go, the numbers are skewed and biased. Every fragment is counted as a find. The finds from Antarctica are only a fraction of what they once were. Pretty soon, it won't be cost effective to work this area. If they counted the number of meteorites from Northwest Africa the same way, then there would easily be over one million pieces. There must be over 100,000 pieces of NWA 869 alone! The Sahara Desert is by far the most productive meteorite producing region in the world, second to none! More weight and rare specimens have come from this area by far. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite
Hi Darryl, Regardless of whether Lovina is a meteorite or not, it is a fascinating specimen. Possibly the most interesting meteorwrong (if that is the case) since Shirokovsky. To me, some meteorwrongs are intriguing and my curiousity compels me to acquire a piece and/or learn all I can about them. Every now and then, I take out my slice of Shiro just to admire it and hold it up the light to admire the translucent crystals. Mendota is another example of a strange wrong that is uniquely interesting. In the cases of Mendota and Shiro, nobody can explain exactly what they are or how they were created. Scientists have analyzed both, and the best answer is - "it is not a meteorite". Ok, then what is it? That makes for a specimen worth acquiring, in my opinion. But, I am a rockhound in an addition to a meteorite collector, so maybe it's just me. I look forward to reading the new abstract on Lovina. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, Darryl Pitt wrote: > > > Greetings: > > I just received a preliminary abstract on Lovina from Kuni Nishiizumi of UC > Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory. Kuni, the abstract's lead author, > concluded it is unlikely Lovina is a meteorite. The markers analyzed were > beryllium and chlorine concentrations and the paucity of cosmogenic > radionuclides (only Gibeon and Nantan show less). One more round of tests > will occur and further conclusions will be drawn from the same. The abstract > entitled "Lovina: is this a Meteorite?" will appear in the MAPS volume > associated with the 74th Annual Meteoritical Society Meeting this coming > August. > > It has been suggested by some diehards that the bubbling evident in the > Lovina mass could have been the result of smelting, and that the lack of > cosmogenic radiation could be explained by Lovina having been near the > center of a much larger mass---as we know Lovina originated from at least a > somewhat larger mass for the ziggurat structures to have formed. However, > in the spirit of embracing the most likely of explanations, it seems > compelling to conclude that the most likely explanation for an expanding > host of anomalies is Lovina's terrestrial origin. > > Accordingly, I've decided to no longer offer Lovina as a meteorite and have > asked my webmaster to take down references to the same on Macovich.com at > her earliest possible convenience. > > > All best / Darryl > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lovina: most likely not a meteorite
Greetings: I just received a preliminary abstract on Lovina from Kuni Nishiizumi of UC Berkeley's Space Sciences Laboratory. Kuni, the abstract's lead author, concluded it is unlikely Lovina is a meteorite. The markers analyzed were beryllium and chlorine concentrations and the paucity of cosmogenic radionuclides (only Gibeon and Nantan show less). One more round of tests will occur and further conclusions will be drawn from the same. The abstract entitled "Lovina: is this a Meteorite?" will appear in the MAPS volume associated with the 74th Annual Meteoritical Society Meeting this coming August. It has been suggested by some diehards that the bubbling evident in the Lovina mass could have been the result of smelting, and that the lack of cosmogenic radiation could be explained by Lovina having been near the center of a much larger mass---as we know Lovina originated from at least a somewhat larger mass for the ziggurat structures to have formed. However, in the spirit of embracing the most likely of explanations, it seems compelling to conclude that the most likely explanation for an expanding host of anomalies is Lovina's terrestrial origin. Accordingly, I've decided to no longer offer Lovina as a meteorite and have asked my webmaster to take down references to the same on Macovich.com at her earliest possible convenience. All best / Darryl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
I have a small "suspect" stone that will roll right off of a NDIB supermagnet if you set it on it and tilt the magnet a little, but I picked it up with my magnet cane. (??) I have two 2"x2"x1/4" NDIB supermagnets side by side on the head of the cane. When I found the little stone that day it was sitting up on the top of the magnets and right in the middle where the two magnets touched. I don't know squat about magnets but because of finding this little rock like that I have always wondered if the attraction is stronger when two flat magnets are touching each other on the edge more so than just one of those magnet's attraction by itself. I'm probably way out in left field on this. Maybe someone on the List can shoot down my theory so I can forget about that being the reason for picking up the stone. Mike in CO On May 24, 2011, at 9:41 AM, David Gunning wrote: Hi All, It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to that iron clad rule of thumb? I've a non-magnetic mineral specimen with a black crust and what appear to be some sort of orientation striations. The specific gravity of this specimen is lower than the range of values usually associated with most meteorites. Prolly a meteorwrong, I realize, but causes me to pause and wonder if it's within the realm of remote possibility that there are such animals as non-magnetic meteorites? Thanks for your indulgence in helping diminish a wealth of personal ignorance in the somewhat occasional arcane field of meteorite identification. All good regards, David Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
Hi Phil, Thanks for the clarifications. Just when I think I am a smart cookie, I find out that I don't know jack squat. LOL So, I wonder what the modern finders of the Winona meteorite thought when they dug it up? Did they know it was a meteorite at first? And what other artifacts were found in that same hole (if any)? This makes me wonder if Winona was a witnessed fall? Would the indians have known that Winona was special and not just another rock, unless they had seen it fall? Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - \ On 5/24/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > Just a few minor corrections. Hopewell and Anasazi are not names of tribes. > They signify prehistoric traditions or cultures, not individual tribes. We > don't know the names of prehistoric tribes because they left no written > histories. The large earthworks built by Midwestern and Eastern prehistoric > American Indians are not burial mounds. While some contain burials, this > does not seem to be the primary purpose of the mounds. Archaeologists > believe the mounds were for ceremonial and social purposes. Some have > postulated the earthern structures were astronomical observatories. I just > saw a documentary on the Chaco Canyon culture where they showed how all the > buildings, kivas and towers were designed to line up on the solstices. The > western Native Americans did not build mounds. It was the Sinagua people, > not the Anasazi, who interred the Winona meteorite in a stone cist dug into > the floor of a pit house. > > Phil "Paints With Heart" Whitmer (Coquille tribal name) > > __ > > > Hi List, > > I want to thank everyone who responded to the questions. :) > > Only one person answered both questions correctly. > > Here are the correct answers : > > >> Question #1 - Out of all the areas of the world known for finding > >> meteorites, which area has yielded the most classified meteorites? > > > Answer - The Yamato icefield of Antarctica. A staggering 13715 > meteorites have been found and classified on this icefield. This is > far more than any other region on the planet. In fact, according to > the Meteoritical Society's "List of Dense Collection Areas", 8 of the > top 10 dense collection areas are in Antarctica. > > Yamato - (13715) > NWA - (6161) - this number is undoubtedly larger and may not include > provisional meteorites. > Queen Alexandra Range - (3480) > Asuka - (2527) > Grove Mountains - (2436) > Elephant Moraine - (2204) > Lewis Cliff - (1960) > Allan Hills - (1826) > LaPaz Icefield - (1504) > Dhofar - (1497) > Miller Range - (1181) > > > >> Question #2 - One meteorite, above all others, is known for being > >> associated with Indian burial mounds. What is the name of this > >> meteorite, and what is the name of the tribe associated with the > >> mounds? > > > Answer - the answer I had in mind was Brenham and the Hopewell mounds. > However, Anne Black correctly pointed out that Winona was found in an > Anasazi mound. This latter answer would have been acceptable also. > > > >> BONUS QUESTION (good for one extra free micromount) - Name 3 > >> meteorites that have struck motor vehicles. > > > Answer - St. Louis, Peekskill, Benld, Neagari - those are 4 that come > to mind, there may be more. > > Thanks for participating! > > MikeG > > - > Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
Just a few minor corrections. Hopewell and Anasazi are not names of tribes. They signify prehistoric traditions or cultures, not individual tribes. We don't know the names of prehistoric tribes because they left no written histories. The large earthworks built by Midwestern and Eastern prehistoric American Indians are not burial mounds. While some contain burials, this does not seem to be the primary purpose of the mounds. Archaeologists believe the mounds were for ceremonial and social purposes. Some have postulated the earthern structures were astronomical observatories. I just saw a documentary on the Chaco Canyon culture where they showed how all the buildings, kivas and towers were designed to line up on the solstices. The western Native Americans did not build mounds. It was the Sinagua people, not the Anasazi, who interred the Winona meteorite in a stone cist dug into the floor of a pit house. Phil "Paints With Heart" Whitmer (Coquille tribal name) __ Hi List, I want to thank everyone who responded to the questions. :) Only one person answered both questions correctly. Here are the correct answers : Question #1 - Out of all the areas of the world known for finding meteorites, which area has yielded the most classified meteorites? Answer - The Yamato icefield of Antarctica. A staggering 13715 meteorites have been found and classified on this icefield. This is far more than any other region on the planet. In fact, according to the Meteoritical Society's "List of Dense Collection Areas", 8 of the top 10 dense collection areas are in Antarctica. Yamato - (13715) NWA - (6161) - this number is undoubtedly larger and may not include provisional meteorites. Queen Alexandra Range - (3480) Asuka - (2527) Grove Mountains - (2436) Elephant Moraine - (2204) Lewis Cliff - (1960) Allan Hills - (1826) LaPaz Icefield - (1504) Dhofar - (1497) Miller Range - (1181) Question #2 - One meteorite, above all others, is known for being associated with Indian burial mounds. What is the name of this meteorite, and what is the name of the tribe associated with the mounds? Answer - the answer I had in mind was Brenham and the Hopewell mounds. However, Anne Black correctly pointed out that Winona was found in an Anasazi mound. This latter answer would have been acceptable also. BONUS QUESTION (good for one extra free micromount) - Name 3 meteorites that have struck motor vehicles. Answer - St. Louis, Peekskill, Benld, Neagari - those are 4 that come to mind, there may be more. Thanks for participating! MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
Adam- There are other Martian Meteorites (Nakhlites) that exhibit the same characteristics that made this stone most famous. Which ones and what characteristics? -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" To: "Adam" Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge,Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Hi Mike, I think it is good to have contests and bring issues to the forefront. You claimed: But, Antarctica still claims the Holy Grail (to some) of meteorites - ALH84001. My response: There are other Martian Meteorites (Nakhlites) that exhibit the same characteristics that made this stone most famous. Don't get me wrong, ALH84001 is a unique and fantastic stone. I believe there are equally fantastic and unique stones from the Sahara and more of them than from Antarctica. They are just not thrown in front of the press and promoted as hard. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Michael Gilmer To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 4:22:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Hi Adam, Good point and I had not considered that. It does seem like more than half of the Antarctics in the Bulletin weigh less than 2-5 grams. Some weigh less than 1g. I think we need to make sure that all NWA meteorites get their fair due and receive individual classification. What reputable scientist will now step forward and agree to classify (pro bono) one million sandblasted H5/W4 fragments? Any volunteers? Ted? Alan? Tony? ;) LOL I also agree that, hands down, the Sahara has produced far more rare types and planetaries than Antarctica. But, Antarctica still claims the Holy Grail (to some) of meteorites - ALH84001. I'm glad I posted this little contest today, it has resulted in some knowledge gain. :) Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, Adam Hupe wrote: As far as Antarctic finds go, the numbers are skewed and biased. Every fragment is counted as a find. The finds from Antarctica are only a fraction of what they once were. Pretty soon, it won't be cost effective to work this area. If they counted the number of meteorites from Northwest Africa the same way, then there would easily be over one million pieces. There must be over 100,000 pieces of NWA 869 alone! The Sahara Desert is by far the most productive meteorite producing region in the world, second to none! More weight and rare specimens have come from this area by far. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Concludes Attempts To Contact Mars Rover Spirit
May 24, 2011 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov Guy Webster Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-6278 guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov RELEASE: 11-167 NASA CONCLUDES ATTEMPTS TO CONTACT MARS ROVER SPIRIT WASHINGTON -- NASA is ending attempts to regain contact with the long-lived Mars Exploration Rover Spirit, which last communicated on March 22, 2010. A transmission that will end on Wednesday, May 25, will be the last in a series of attempts. Extensive communications activities during the past 10 months also have explored the possibility that Spirit might reawaken as the solar energy available to it increased after a stressful Martian winter without much sunlight. With inadequate energy to run its survival heaters, the rover likely experienced colder internal temperatures last year than in any of its prior six years on Mars. Many critical components and connections would have been susceptible to damage from the cold. Engineers' assessments in recent months have shown a very low probability for recovering communications with Spirit. Communications assets that have been used by the Spirit mission in the past, including NASA's Deep Space Network of antennas on Earth, plus two NASA Mars orbiters that can relay communications, now are needed to prepare for NASA's Mars Science Laboratory mission. MSL is scheduled to launch later this year. "We're now transitioning assets to support the November launch of our next generation Mars rover, Curiosity," said Dave Lavery, program executive for solar system exploration. "However, while we no longer believe there is a realistic probability of hearing from Spirit, the Deep Space Network may occasionally listen for any faint signals when the schedule permits." Spirit landed on Mars on Jan. 3, 2004, for a mission designed to last three months. After accomplishing its prime-mission goals, Spirit worked to accomplish additional objectives. Its twin, Opportunity, continues active exploration of Mars. For more information on the Mars rovers, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/rovers -end- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
Hi Mike, I think it is good to have contests and bring issues to the forefront. You claimed: But, Antarctica still claims the Holy Grail (to some) of meteorites - ALH84001. My response: There are other Martian Meteorites (Nakhlites) that exhibit the same characteristics that made this stone most famous. Don't get me wrong, ALH84001 is a unique and fantastic stone. I believe there are equally fantastic and unique stones from the Sahara and more of them than from Antarctica. They are just not thrown in front of the press and promoted as hard. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Michael Gilmer To: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 4:22:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Hi Adam, Good point and I had not considered that. It does seem like more than half of the Antarctics in the Bulletin weigh less than 2-5 grams. Some weigh less than 1g. I think we need to make sure that all NWA meteorites get their fair due and receive individual classification. What reputable scientist will now step forward and agree to classify (pro bono) one million sandblasted H5/W4 fragments? Any volunteers? Ted? Alan? Tony? ;) LOL I also agree that, hands down, the Sahara has produced far more rare types and planetaries than Antarctica. But, Antarctica still claims the Holy Grail (to some) of meteorites - ALH84001. I'm glad I posted this little contest today, it has resulted in some knowledge gain. :) Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, Adam Hupe wrote: > As far as Antarctic finds go, the numbers are skewed and biased. Every > fragment > is counted as a find. The finds from Antarctica are only a fraction of > what > they once were. Pretty soon, it won't be cost effective to work this area. > If > they counted the number of meteorites from Northwest Africa the same way, > then > there would easily be over one million pieces. There must be over 100,000 > pieces > of NWA 869 alone! The Sahara Desert is by far the most productive meteorite > producing region in the world, second to none! More weight and rare > specimens > have come from this area by far. > > Best Regards, > > Adam > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
Hi Adam, Good point and I had not considered that. It does seem like more than half of the Antarctics in the Bulletin weigh less than 2-5 grams. Some weigh less than 1g. I think we need to make sure that all NWA meteorites get their fair due and receive individual classification. What reputable scientist will now step forward and agree to classify (pro bono) one million sandblasted H5/W4 fragments? Any volunteers? Ted? Alan? Tony? ;) LOL I also agree that, hands down, the Sahara has produced far more rare types and planetaries than Antarctica. But, Antarctica still claims the Holy Grail (to some) of meteorites - ALH84001. I'm glad I posted this little contest today, it has resulted in some knowledge gain. :) Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, Adam Hupe wrote: > As far as Antarctic finds go, the numbers are skewed and biased. Every > fragment > is counted as a find. The finds from Antarctica are only a fraction of > what > they once were. Pretty soon, it won't be cost effective to work this area. > If > they counted the number of meteorites from Northwest Africa the same way, > then > there would easily be over one million pieces. There must be over 100,000 > pieces > of NWA 869 alone! The Sahara Desert is by far the most productive meteorite > producing region in the world, second to none! More weight and rare > specimens > have come from this area by far. > > Best Regards, > > Adam > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
List: I have always wondered if every single NWA was classified, just how many 'new' discoveries would be made. I realize it may not be practical (just think of the time and expense) by still interesting to think about. Greg S > From: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com > To: raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 18:59:14 -0500 > CC: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free > Assortment of Micromounts! > > I totally agree Adam. > Sincerely > Don Merchant > - Original Message - > From: "Adam Hupe" > To: "Adam" > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:57 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge,Win a Free > Assortment of Micromounts! > > > > As far as Antarctic finds go, the numbers are skewed and biased. Every > > fragment > > is counted as a find. The finds from Antarctica are only a fraction of > > what > > they once were. Pretty soon, it won't be cost effective to work this area. > > If > > they counted the number of meteorites from Northwest Africa the same way, > > then > > there would easily be over one million pieces. There must be over 100,000 > > pieces > > of NWA 869 alone! The Sahara Desert is by far the most productive > > meteorite > > producing region in the world, second to none! More weight and rare > > specimens > > have come from this area by far. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Adam > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
I totally agree Adam. Sincerely Don Merchant - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" To: "Adam" Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge,Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! As far as Antarctic finds go, the numbers are skewed and biased. Every fragment is counted as a find. The finds from Antarctica are only a fraction of what they once were. Pretty soon, it won't be cost effective to work this area. If they counted the number of meteorites from Northwest Africa the same way, then there would easily be over one million pieces. There must be over 100,000 pieces of NWA 869 alone! The Sahara Desert is by far the most productive meteorite producing region in the world, second to none! More weight and rare specimens have come from this area by far. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
As far as Antarctic finds go, the numbers are skewed and biased. Every fragment is counted as a find. The finds from Antarctica are only a fraction of what they once were. Pretty soon, it won't be cost effective to work this area. If they counted the number of meteorites from Northwest Africa the same way, then there would easily be over one million pieces. There must be over 100,000 pieces of NWA 869 alone! The Sahara Desert is by far the most productive meteorite producing region in the world, second to none! More weight and rare specimens have come from this area by far. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
Hi Folks! Wow, I am learning new things with these answers. Serpent Mound, Bonita Springs, and Havana were found in Indian mounds. Worden, Park Forest, and Barwell also struck automobiles. I knew about Bonita Springs, but figured it wasn't as well-known as Brenham. The rest of the answers were pleasant surprises. :) Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, Graham Ensor wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Park Forest and Barwell both hit carsthere must be more? > > Graham > > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Michael Gilmer > wrote: >> Hi List, >> >> I want to thank everyone who responded to the questions. :) >> >> Only one person answered both questions correctly. >> >> Here are the correct answers : >> >>> Question #1 - Out of all the areas of the world known for finding >>> meteorites, which area has yielded the most classified meteorites? >> >> Answer - The Yamato icefield of Antarctica. A staggering 13715 >> meteorites have been found and classified on this icefield. This is >> far more than any other region on the planet. In fact, according to >> the Meteoritical Society's "List of Dense Collection Areas", 8 of the >> top 10 dense collection areas are in Antarctica. >> >> Yamato - (13715) >> NWA - (6161) - this number is undoubtedly larger and may not include >> provisional meteorites. >> Queen Alexandra Range - (3480) >> Asuka - (2527) >> Grove Mountains - (2436) >> Elephant Moraine - (2204) >> Lewis Cliff - (1960) >> Allan Hills - (1826) >> LaPaz Icefield - (1504) >> Dhofar - (1497) >> Miller Range - (1181) >> >> >>> Question #2 - One meteorite, above all others, is known for being >>> associated with Indian burial mounds. What is the name of this >>> meteorite, and what is the name of the tribe associated with the >>> mounds? >> >> Answer - the answer I had in mind was Brenham and the Hopewell mounds. >> However, Anne Black correctly pointed out that Winona was found in an >> Anasazi mound. This latter answer would have been acceptable also. >> >> >>> BONUS QUESTION (good for one extra free micromount) - Name 3 >>> meteorites that have struck motor vehicles. >> >> Answer - St. Louis, Peekskill, Benld, Neagari - those are 4 that come >> to mind, there may be more. >> >> Thanks for participating! >> >> MikeG >> __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
Hi List, I want to thank everyone who responded to the questions. :) Only one person answered both questions correctly. Here are the correct answers : > Question #1 - Out of all the areas of the world known for finding > meteorites, which area has yielded the most classified meteorites? Answer - The Yamato icefield of Antarctica. A staggering 13715 meteorites have been found and classified on this icefield. This is far more than any other region on the planet. In fact, according to the Meteoritical Society's "List of Dense Collection Areas", 8 of the top 10 dense collection areas are in Antarctica. Yamato - (13715) NWA - (6161) - this number is undoubtedly larger and may not include provisional meteorites. Queen Alexandra Range - (3480) Asuka - (2527) Grove Mountains - (2436) Elephant Moraine - (2204) Lewis Cliff - (1960) Allan Hills - (1826) LaPaz Icefield - (1504) Dhofar - (1497) Miller Range - (1181) > Question #2 - One meteorite, above all others, is known for being > associated with Indian burial mounds. What is the name of this > meteorite, and what is the name of the tribe associated with the > mounds? Answer - the answer I had in mind was Brenham and the Hopewell mounds. However, Anne Black correctly pointed out that Winona was found in an Anasazi mound. This latter answer would have been acceptable also. > BONUS QUESTION (good for one extra free micromount) - Name 3 > meteorites that have struck motor vehicles. Answer - St. Louis, Peekskill, Benld, Neagari - those are 4 that come to mind, there may be more. Thanks for participating! MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, Michael Gilmer wrote: > Greetings Listees, > > I have two meteorite-related questions to ask. The first person who > answers both correctly will win a free selection of 5 different > micromounts. These micros will include a hammer fall, 2 achondrites, > and an iron meteorite. (exact identity of these specimens will remain > a secret and will be a surprise for the winner!) > > Note, there is a bonus question. The winner need not answer the bonus > question to win. > > I usually get a flood of responses to these freebie-questions, so I > will notify the winner by email. After I notify the winner, I will > post to the List that the contest is closed and I will reveal the > correct answers. I may not have the time to reply to each entry > individually. > > > Question #1 - Out of all the areas of the world known for finding > meteorites, which area has yielded the most classified meteorites? > > (Note - The Sahara, Antarctica, etc are not valid answers. I am > looking for a specific locality, such as Acfer or Dhofar that is a > part of the official nomenclature.) > > > Question #2 - One meteorite, above all others, is known for being > associated with Indian burial mounds. What is the name of this > meteorite, and what is the name of the tribe associated with the > mounds? > > > BONUS QUESTION (good for one extra free micromount) - Name 3 > meteorites that have struck motor vehicles. > > > Send your answers to - meteoritem...@gmail.com > > Good luck! > > MikeG > > > - > Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) > > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 > News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone > EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 > - > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD -Auctions Ending In A Few hours
Dear List Members, I have 54 auctions ending in a few hours with no reserve. Currently, they are all priced far below what you would expect to pay anywhere on the planet. I also have some museum quality specimens do to end tomorrow with the make offer option enabled. This will give you the rare opportunity to pick up a large rare specimen far below what you will find on any website. Link to all auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team Lunar Rock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
Greetings Listees, I have two meteorite-related questions to ask. The first person who answers both correctly will win a free selection of 5 different micromounts. These micros will include a hammer fall, 2 achondrites, and an iron meteorite. (exact identity of these specimens will remain a secret and will be a surprise for the winner!) Note, there is a bonus question. The winner need not answer the bonus question to win. I usually get a flood of responses to these freebie-questions, so I will notify the winner by email. After I notify the winner, I will post to the List that the contest is closed and I will reveal the correct answers. I may not have the time to reply to each entry individually. Question #1 - Out of all the areas of the world known for finding meteorites, which area has yielded the most classified meteorites? (Note - The Sahara, Antarctica, etc are not valid answers. I am looking for a specific locality, such as Acfer or Dhofar that is a part of the official nomenclature.) Question #2 - One meteorite, above all others, is known for being associated with Indian burial mounds. What is the name of this meteorite, and what is the name of the tribe associated with the mounds? BONUS QUESTION (good for one extra free micromount) - Name 3 meteorites that have struck motor vehicles. Send your answers to - meteoritem...@gmail.com Good luck! MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fell near Wynndel
Hi All I spent two days hunting all logging roads north & NE of Wynndel B.C. for this visitor or visitors from space. All roads end just at top of hill in 3ft to 4ft of snow. Logging companies only snow plowed the roads to there present logging truck loading areas. I did find some real nice Paraglider launches at the top near the lake side ridge just north of Wynndel ,wish I had my PG wing with me & a driver as cloud base was nice & high. also hunted 3a the road on east shore of both lakes going north. Some hunting in fields north of town then spent a day hunting the HWY 3 to the east and the Goat river forest service roads that are just east of the projected fall area. The snow melt has all creeks & river at Max flow with some flooding in areas. Snow level is low but once it melts off & opens up the roads I fill that there is still a chance for some one to stumble across some meteorites. I do have to say the timber & brush is really thick in this area. So finding one will surly put a feather in your cap. Even thou I found no new finds on my hunt. I did fully enjoy the hunt and being connected to mother nature and seeing all the wild life. I did post a lot of my Meteorite wanted posters around the area and talked to some logger that log the area. So now iam just waiting for that call from a Logger telling me he has my 10 KG meteorite .When I get time I will post some pics Scott Johnson U.S. AirBorne Sport Aviation LLC Eagles Nest Airpark Sport Pilot C.F.I WSC-L WSC-S www.usairborne.com i...@usairborne.com Office 509-780-0554 Cell 509-780-8377 -- From: "Thunder Stone" Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:30 PM To: Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite fell near Wynndel List: I hope someone makes a find. Good luck to anyone out there, an be safe. Greg S http://www.dailytownsman.com/article/20110524/CRANBROOK0101/305249994/-1/cranbrook/meteorite-fell-near-wynndel Meteorite fell near Wynndel Last weekend's meteor over Cranbrook would have fallen north of Wynndel, experts have calculated. A Finnish astronomer, Esko Lyytinen, analyzed footage from meteor cameras in Cranbrook, Saskatchewan, Penticton and Calgary to determine the possible location of meteorites from the fireball. "He went frame by frame through the video and he enhanced the stars so he could know the position," explained Rick Nowell, physics lab technician at the College of the Rockies. According to Lyytinen, the meteor entered the atmosphere at a height of 79 kilometres. Initially weighing 20 kilograms, the meteor broke apart at least twice before dissolving into a trail of gravel. The flashes caught by the camera indicate the explosions. Last week, Lyytinen drew on a map the area in which he believes the meteorites may have fallen. On Tuesday, he emailed The Townsman to add that he has received new footage, and he advises that the line should be continued up to another 10 kilometres further west. "I will not give at this stage a new map, but it looks probable that it fell down more to the south west than the line or ellipse," said Lyytinen. "It probably had a bigger entry velocity and higher beginning. This would also mean a somewhat smaller (than earlier expected) meteorite size on the ground." Still, meteorite hunters could head north from Wynndel and search east of Duck Lake. If there is snow, Nowell said, look for a hole in the snow. Otherwise, take a metal detector. "Your metal detector would beep as it goes over it and a magnet would pick it up. It probably has a lot of nickel and iron in it," said Nowell. The meteor probably came from the asteroid belt, Nowell added. "Usually they have little indentations in them. The rock will be smooth, but with lots of little dimples in it where it evaporated. The atmosphere sandblasts it coming down and melts it a bit," he said. The meteorites' value could range widely. "Common iron meteors can range from $.50/gram to $5/gram, rarer stoney meteorites $2 to $20/gram, and really rare ones $100 or $1000/gram or more, depending if they have embedded gems or if they're from Mars or the moon," said Nowell. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nice space junk
Still has 9 days left double yikes!!! > Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 20:20:21 + > From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; cyna...@charter.net > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nice space junk > > $3000.00 bolt...yikes!! > > > -- > Stuart McDaniel > Lawndale, NC > IMCA#9052 > > http://www.facebook.com/Stuart.McDaniel.No.1 > > Darren Garrison wrote: > > = > Anyone looking for a fusion-crusted Vostok bolt? > > http://historical.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=6052&LotIdNo=56026#Photo > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nice space junk
$3000.00 bolt...yikes!! -- Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC IMCA#9052 http://www.facebook.com/Stuart.McDaniel.No.1 Darren Garrison wrote: = Anyone looking for a fusion-crusted Vostok bolt? http://historical.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=6052&LotIdNo=56026#Photo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
Hi Ron, You said you haven't tested a meteorite yet that doesn't respond to a strong magnet. Does this include martians I assume? I tried attracting NWA 2975 to my big magnet, but it didn't show any attraction that I could notice. Of course, my specimen was quite small, so it may have been a metal-poor portion. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, Ron Baalke wrote: > > It also depends on how strong your magnet is. A weak magnet may have > difficulty > being attracted to stony chondrites. My intial magnet test with Allende > failed, > until I switched to a stronger magnet. I haven't found a meteorite yet that > isn't > attracted to a strong magnet..but haven't tested for all types. > > Ron > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction to non-magnetic meteorite question
Also do not let 2 rare earth magnets slam together, I have had them shatter like glass. They can be very unexpectedly dangerous. They are kinda like a snake, they will get you when you least expect it!! -- Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC IMCA#9052 http://www.facebook.com/Stuart.McDaniel.No.1 Michael Gilmer wrote: = Hi David, When cutting meteorites (or suspected meteorites), use distilled water only has a saw coolant/lubricant. Using anything else invites contamination and instability in the specimen. I own a large N52 rare earth magnet. It's quite powerful, and small metal objects will fly across the table and stick it from several inches away. This type of magnet will detect the smallest metal content in a specimen that small magnets will miss. However, be careful, the larger magnets can be dangerous if you hand or fingers get caught between the magnet and a metal object. Not to mention, keep it away from your laptop and grandpa's pacemaker. The largest rare earth magnets are so powerful, they will attract iron-enriched food items, like dog kibbles! Do you have any photos of your specimen, or did you post them already and I missed it? Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, David Gunning wrote: > Thanks to all who responded to my non-magnetic meteorite question. > > With a total weight of 27.37 grams the specimen in question has a direct > measured specific gravity of 2.59. > > This would seem to rule-out both basalt (s.g. 2.7-3.1) and Tatahouine, a > Diogenite with a specific gravity range of at about 3.30 to 3.47. > > In rechecking the magnetic value, for the first time with a super magnet > hanging from a string and carefully bringing the specimen to the magnet, > I can see there is a ever-so-slight magnetic attraction which I had not > previously noticed and detected. > > This is an important lesson for me: ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK MAGNETIC VALUES > WITH A SUPER MAGNET HANGING FROM A THREAD! > > Also rechecked my Tatahouine specimen and, LO and Behold, this, too, has > an ever-so-slight magnetic attraction. You might want to take note of > this info, Pete at pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com. > > The s.g and slight magnetic attraction of this specimen suggests that > this may be a type CM Carbonaceous Chondrite, according to the printed > values published in the 2002 paper by Britt and Consolmagno, I suppose. > > I'm thinking of cutting this specimen. Anyone on the list able to > suggest the preferred lubricant to minimize potential contamination > issues? > > Again, thanks to everyone who took time to offer their insights on my > little mystery stone. > > I wouldn't have had a clue, otherwise! > > Best wishes to all, > > David Gunning > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] correction to non-magnetic meteorite question
Hi David, When cutting meteorites (or suspected meteorites), use distilled water only has a saw coolant/lubricant. Using anything else invites contamination and instability in the specimen. I own a large N52 rare earth magnet. It's quite powerful, and small metal objects will fly across the table and stick it from several inches away. This type of magnet will detect the smallest metal content in a specimen that small magnets will miss. However, be careful, the larger magnets can be dangerous if you hand or fingers get caught between the magnet and a metal object. Not to mention, keep it away from your laptop and grandpa's pacemaker. The largest rare earth magnets are so powerful, they will attract iron-enriched food items, like dog kibbles! Do you have any photos of your specimen, or did you post them already and I missed it? Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, David Gunning wrote: > Thanks to all who responded to my non-magnetic meteorite question. > > With a total weight of 27.37 grams the specimen in question has a direct > measured specific gravity of 2.59. > > This would seem to rule-out both basalt (s.g. 2.7-3.1) and Tatahouine, a > Diogenite with a specific gravity range of at about 3.30 to 3.47. > > In rechecking the magnetic value, for the first time with a super magnet > hanging from a string and carefully bringing the specimen to the magnet, > I can see there is a ever-so-slight magnetic attraction which I had not > previously noticed and detected. > > This is an important lesson for me: ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK MAGNETIC VALUES > WITH A SUPER MAGNET HANGING FROM A THREAD! > > Also rechecked my Tatahouine specimen and, LO and Behold, this, too, has > an ever-so-slight magnetic attraction. You might want to take note of > this info, Pete at pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com. > > The s.g and slight magnetic attraction of this specimen suggests that > this may be a type CM Carbonaceous Chondrite, according to the printed > values published in the 2002 paper by Britt and Consolmagno, I suppose. > > I'm thinking of cutting this specimen. Anyone on the list able to > suggest the preferred lubricant to minimize potential contamination > issues? > > Again, thanks to everyone who took time to offer their insights on my > little mystery stone. > > I wouldn't have had a clue, otherwise! > > Best wishes to all, > > David Gunning > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
It also depends on how strong your magnet is. A weak magnet may have difficulty being attracted to stony chondrites. My intial magnet test with Allende failed, until I switched to a stronger magnet. I haven't found a meteorite yet that isn't attracted to a strong magnet..but haven't tested for all types. Ron __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite fell near Wynndel
List: I hope someone makes a find. Good luck to anyone out there, an be safe. Greg S http://www.dailytownsman.com/article/20110524/CRANBROOK0101/305249994/-1/cranbrook/meteorite-fell-near-wynndel Meteorite fell near Wynndel Last weekend's meteor over Cranbrook would have fallen north of Wynndel, experts have calculated. A Finnish astronomer, Esko Lyytinen, analyzed footage from meteor cameras in Cranbrook, Saskatchewan, Penticton and Calgary to determine the possible location of meteorites from the fireball. "He went frame by frame through the video and he enhanced the stars so he could know the position," explained Rick Nowell, physics lab technician at the College of the Rockies. According to Lyytinen, the meteor entered the atmosphere at a height of 79 kilometres. Initially weighing 20 kilograms, the meteor broke apart at least twice before dissolving into a trail of gravel. The flashes caught by the camera indicate the explosions. Last week, Lyytinen drew on a map the area in which he believes the meteorites may have fallen. On Tuesday, he emailed The Townsman to add that he has received new footage, and he advises that the line should be continued up to another 10 kilometres further west. "I will not give at this stage a new map, but it looks probable that it fell down more to the south west than the line or ellipse," said Lyytinen. "It probably had a bigger entry velocity and higher beginning. This would also mean a somewhat smaller (than earlier expected) meteorite size on the ground." Still, meteorite hunters could head north from Wynndel and search east of Duck Lake. If there is snow, Nowell said, look for a hole in the snow. Otherwise, take a metal detector. "Your metal detector would beep as it goes over it and a magnet would pick it up. It probably has a lot of nickel and iron in it," said Nowell. The meteor probably came from the asteroid belt, Nowell added. "Usually they have little indentations in them. The rock will be smooth, but with lots of little dimples in it where it evaporated. The atmosphere sandblasts it coming down and melts it a bit," he said. The meteorites' value could range widely. "Common iron meteors can range from $.50/gram to $5/gram, rarer stoney meteorites $2 to $20/gram, and really rare ones $100 or $1000/gram or more, depending if they have embedded gems or if they're from Mars or the moon," said Nowell. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] correction to non-magnetic meteorite question
Thanks to all who responded to my non-magnetic meteorite question. With a total weight of 27.37 grams the specimen in question has a direct measured specific gravity of 2.59. This would seem to rule-out both basalt (s.g. 2.7-3.1) and Tatahouine, a Diogenite with a specific gravity range of at about 3.30 to 3.47. In rechecking the magnetic value, for the first time with a super magnet hanging from a string and carefully bringing the specimen to the magnet, I can see there is a ever-so-slight magnetic attraction which I had not previously noticed and detected. This is an important lesson for me: ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK MAGNETIC VALUES WITH A SUPER MAGNET HANGING FROM A THREAD! Also rechecked my Tatahouine specimen and, LO and Behold, this, too, has an ever-so-slight magnetic attraction. You might want to take note of this info, Pete at pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com. The s.g and slight magnetic attraction of this specimen suggests that this may be a type CM Carbonaceous Chondrite, according to the printed values published in the 2002 paper by Britt and Consolmagno, I suppose. I'm thinking of cutting this specimen. Anyone on the list able to suggest the preferred lubricant to minimize potential contamination issues? Again, thanks to everyone who took time to offer their insights on my little mystery stone. I wouldn't have had a clue, otherwise! Best wishes to all, David Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nice space junk
Anyone looking for a fusion-crusted Vostok bolt? http://historical.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=6052&LotIdNo=56026#Photo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes
Thanks folks, and thanks to Mike for pointing out my oversight re Thomson. This is now corrected :) M On 24 May 2011, at 18:18, karmaka wrote: > Hi Mike, > > I agree with Mike! > I do also like your site. > Keep up the great work! > > Cheers, > Martin > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: "Mike Bandli" > Gesendet: 24.05.2011 17:05:46 > An: "'Mark's Meteorites'" , "'Meteorite List'" > > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes > >> Hi Mark, >> >> Nice job! I love what you are doing with the site. >> >> One correction though - The first "Widmanstatten patterns" were first >> observed a few years earlier by G. Thomson on the Krasnojarsk iron (Pallas >> Iron). See here: >> >> http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/bk-thomson.html >> >> Cheers, >> >> Mike Bandli >> >> -- >> Mike Bandli >> Historic Meteorites >> www.HistoricMeteorites.com >> and join us on Facebook: >> www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 >> IMCA #5765 >> --- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark's >> Meteorites >> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:53 AM >> To: Meteorite List >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes >> >> Hi folks, >> >> A couple of accounts of the Hraschina fall in 1751. The first observed fall >> of an iron, and the first meteorite where the Widmannstatten pattern was >> observed: >> >> http://historicfalls.com/18th-century/hraschina/ >> >> Mark Crawford >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tatahouine
Hello Pete and all, I believe the largest fragment is in the Musee d'Histoire Naturelle in Paris. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 5/24/2011 12:12:05 PM Mountain Daylight Time, pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com writes: Can anyone tell me who holds the largest (Main Mass) of Tatahouine? Pete IMCA 1733 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tatahouine
Can anyone tell me who holds the largest (Main Mass) of Tatahouine? Pete IMCA 1733 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] noob questions
Thanks so much for the bump of excitement. I think most of the fun is trying to find one. Better than trying to win the lottery! On May 24, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Count Deiro wrote: > Hello Ron, > > Welcome to the wonderful world of meteorites and the List. It's obvious by > your post that you already have been "struck by the thunderbolt" and have > spent time in getting yourself together to go "get some". > > From what I've read of your preparations, you don't need anyone to hold your > hand. You already know where the strewn fields are. Get "boots and eyeballs > on the ground". > > Don't worry...there are still meteorites left in every location. I know. On > my first real hunt I was dropped in the middle of an area that had been > chicken scratched for years by experts and within a hundred yards I > tripped over a twenty nine pounder! > > Meteorites don't care where they fall. Use your "noodle and your eyes" and go > get 'em! > > Best regards, > > Count Deiro > IMCA 3536 > > > -Original Message- >> From: Ronald Machisen >> Sent: May 24, 2011 9:34 AM >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] noob questions >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I live in San Antonio and have been doing all of my homework. Reading, >> getting pictures of stones, and even purchased a couple of samples to study. >> What are the chances of searching an area that had a fall in 1950 and 1980? >> Would it be a waste of time? More specifically, I am looking at the >> Guadeloupe area just east of San Antonio. I have all of the coordinates and >> I'm going to track down the land owners. Also, if it is a single recovery >> of a stone, what would the best method be to search the area? Search in >> Radiating circles? I don't have any information on the direction of the >> meteorite. >> >> I am also thinking of going to the Ash Creek strewn field. I don't think >> it's possible that it can be all searched out. What do you guys think? Any >> help would be greatly appreciated. I also think the best way of >> successfully hunting is to get experience from someone. Are there any >> groups in the area, or someone willing to be a mentor? >> >> Equipment: GB2, Rare Earth Mags, GPS, digging tools, plenty of books and >> lots of determination. >> >> Sorry if this is a duplicate, my first one was rich text. >> >> >> Ron Machisen >> ronmachi...@me.com >> Sent from my Macbook Pro >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Ronald Machisen ronmachi...@me.com Sent from my Macbook Pro __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] noob questions
Hello Ron, Welcome to the wonderful world of meteorites and the List. It's obvious by your post that you already have been "struck by the thunderbolt" and have spent time in getting yourself together to go "get some". >From what I've read of your preparations, you don't need anyone to hold your >hand. You already know where the strewn fields are. Get "boots and eyeballs on >the ground". Don't worry...there are still meteorites left in every location. I know. On my first real hunt I was dropped in the middle of an area that had been chicken scratched for years by experts and within a hundred yards I tripped over a twenty nine pounder! Meteorites don't care where they fall. Use your "noodle and your eyes" and go get 'em! Best regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Ronald Machisen >Sent: May 24, 2011 9:34 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] noob questions > >Hello Everyone, > >I live in San Antonio and have been doing all of my homework. Reading, >getting pictures of stones, and even purchased a couple of samples to study. >What are the chances of searching an area that had a fall in 1950 and 1980? >Would it be a waste of time? More specifically, I am looking at the >Guadeloupe area just east of San Antonio. I have all of the coordinates and >I'm going to track down the land owners. Also, if it is a single recovery of >a stone, what would the best method be to search the area? Search in >Radiating circles? I don't have any information on the direction of the >meteorite. > >I am also thinking of going to the Ash Creek strewn field. I don't think it's >possible that it can be all searched out. What do you guys think? Any help >would be greatly appreciated. I also think the best way of successfully >hunting is to get experience from someone. Are there any groups in the area, >or someone willing to be a mentor? > >Equipment: GB2, Rare Earth Mags, GPS, digging tools, plenty of books and lots >of determination. > >Sorry if this is a duplicate, my first one was rich text. > > >Ron Machisen >ronmachi...@me.com >Sent from my Macbook Pro > >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Georgia Fireball
This object was almost certainly not capable of producing meteorites. The data shows the value of having multiple cameras on a fireball. Most fireballs are not capable of producing meteorites, but without being able to determine the flight characteristics, it is very difficult to determine which events are worth chasing. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 5/24/2011 11:23 AM, actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com wrote: Any report of anything making it to the ground?? -- Stuart McDaniel __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Georgia Fireball
Any report of anything making it to the ground?? -- Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC IMCA#9052 http://www.facebook.com/Stuart.McDaniel.No.1 "John.L.Cabassi" wrote: = G'Day List Good video on the Georgia event. http://spaceweather.com/ Cheers John Cabassi __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
Hi David, Not all meteorites respond to a magnet. You very well could have a lunar, or one of the other classifications that have little if any metal in their petrology. You'll need to have it cut and a sample examined by an expert. Your "meteor wrong" just might be a rarer example of a "meteor right". Count Deiro Imca 3536 -Original Message- >From: David Gunning >Sent: May 24, 2011 8:41 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites? > >Hi All, > >It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying >degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to >that iron clad rule of thumb? > >I've a non-magnetic mineral specimen with a black crust and what appear >to be some sort of orientation striations. > >The specific gravity of this specimen is lower than the range of values >usually associated with most meteorites. > >Prolly a meteorwrong, I realize, but causes me to pause and wonder if >it's within the realm of remote possibility that there are such animals >as non-magnetic meteorites? > >Thanks for your indulgence in helping diminish a wealth of personal >ignorance in the somewhat occasional arcane field of meteorite >identification. > >All good regards, > >David Gunning > > > > > >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes
Hi MARK (of course), I agree with Mike! I do also like your site. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: "Mike Bandli" Gesendet: 24.05.2011 17:05:46 An: "'Mark's Meteorites'" , "'Meteorite List'" Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes >Hi Mark, > >Nice job! I love what you are doing with the site. > >One correction though - The first "Widmanstatten patterns" were first >observed a few years earlier by G. Thomson on the Krasnojarsk iron (Pallas >Iron). See here: > >http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/bk-thomson.html > >Cheers, > >Mike Bandli > >-- >Mike Bandli >Historic Meteorites >www.HistoricMeteorites.com >and join us on Facebook: >www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 >IMCA #5765 >--- > > >-Original Message- >From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark's >Meteorites >Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:53 AM >To: Meteorite List >Subject: [meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes > >Hi folks, > >A couple of accounts of the Hraschina fall in 1751. The first observed fall >of an iron, and the first meteorite where the Widmannstatten pattern was >observed: > >http://historicfalls.com/18th-century/hraschina/ > >Mark Crawford >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes
Hi Mike, I agree with Mike! I do also like your site. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: "Mike Bandli" Gesendet: 24.05.2011 17:05:46 An: "'Mark's Meteorites'" , "'Meteorite List'" Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes >Hi Mark, > >Nice job! I love what you are doing with the site. > >One correction though - The first "Widmanstatten patterns" were first >observed a few years earlier by G. Thomson on the Krasnojarsk iron (Pallas >Iron). See here: > >http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/bk-thomson.html > >Cheers, > >Mike Bandli > >-- >Mike Bandli >Historic Meteorites >www.HistoricMeteorites.com >and join us on Facebook: >www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 >IMCA #5765 >--- > > >-Original Message- >From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark's >Meteorites >Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:53 AM >To: Meteorite List >Subject: [meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes > >Hi folks, > >A couple of accounts of the Hraschina fall in 1751. The first observed fall >of an iron, and the first meteorite where the Widmannstatten pattern was >observed: > >http://historicfalls.com/18th-century/hraschina/ > >Mark Crawford >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
Don't forget that sometimes terrestrial rocks (not man-made) can show enough magnetic attraction to make you go "Hmmm", especially if it appears they show other meteoric characteristics, like something that appears to be fusion crust or flow lines. The local Hawaiian basalts have enough iron content to stick weakly to a magnet. Best! Tracy Latimer > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:41:55 -0400 > > >> From: davidgunn...@fairpoint.net > > >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > >> Subject: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites? > > >> > > >> Hi All, > > >> > > >> It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying > > >> degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to > > >> that iron clad rule of thumb? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Public reaction to the recent NASA Moon Rock bust
List: I was wondering: which is worse (for her), being convicted of fraud, or owning a lunar specimen and tying to sell it. "Adults do the darndest things." Greg S > Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 12:53:52 -0400 > From: meteoritem...@gmail.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Public reaction to the recent NASA Moon Rock bust > > Hi List, > > In relation to the recent arrest of a woman trying to sell a "Moon > Rock" for $1.7 million dollars, here are some reactions for the public > at large. I really like the first one. LOL > > http://www.theonion.com/articles/woman-arrested-in-moon-rock-sale-bust,20533/ > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > - > Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) > > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 > News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone > EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 > - > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] noob questions
Ron: Also - make sure you have a really really really good pair of shoes or boots Best of luck, Greg S > Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 09:50:51 -0700 > From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] noob questions > > Hi Ron and List, > > I think the best tool in your kit is "lots of determination" as you > mentioned. A > radiating circle is the best way after a find has been established. This same > approach works great for establishing American Civil War battlefields and > camps. It also works well in locating the main bulk of shipwrecks with items > strewn about over time. > > > A lot of hunters new to searching do not realize how much time is needed. A > generous amount of of patience is necessary with sometimes hundreds of hours > of > effort expended between finds. It is not as easy as an Easter egg hunt as many > believe. I know someone who hunted for 7 years off and on until he found his > first cold find. > > > I wish you the best of luck and your odds are good with effort. If one find > has > been made, I calculate an 83% chance that a pairing will be also be found. The > odds are much better with a recent fall. > > Adam > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Public reaction to the recent NASA Moon Rock bust
Hi List, In relation to the recent arrest of a woman trying to sell a "Moon Rock" for $1.7 million dollars, here are some reactions for the public at large. I really like the first one. LOL http://www.theonion.com/articles/woman-arrested-in-moon-rock-sale-bust,20533/ Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] noob questions
Hi Ron and List, I think the best tool in your kit is "lots of determination" as you mentioned. A radiating circle is the best way after a find has been established. This same approach works great for establishing American Civil War battlefields and camps. It also works well in locating the main bulk of shipwrecks with items strewn about over time. A lot of hunters new to searching do not realize how much time is needed. A generous amount of of patience is necessary with sometimes hundreds of hours of effort expended between finds. It is not as easy as an Easter egg hunt as many believe. I know someone who hunted for 7 years off and on until he found his first cold find. I wish you the best of luck and your odds are good with effort. If one find has been made, I calculate an 83% chance that a pairing will be also be found. The odds are much better with a recent fall. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
I have a relatively fresh R-chondrite and it has absolutely no magnetic attraction. Really cool. My favorite meteorites are meteorites that look and are nothing like a typical meteorite. Greg S > Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 12:32:52 -0400 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites? > From: meteoritem...@gmail.com > To: stanleygr...@hotmail.com > CC: davidgunn...@fairpoint.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Hi Greg and List, > > Thanks for bringing up eucrites and howardites. :) > > A while back, I was cutting a howardite stone for a friend, and I > noticed a big "ball bearing" metal inclusion. It was about 1cm in > diameter and it was visible on the surface of the stone, poking > through the crust. The majority of the stone showed almost no > attraction at all to a magnet, but that "ball bearing" stuck firmly to > the magnet. > > Pure basaltic eucrites typically show no attraction, but some > brecciated eucrites do have free metal content. Camel Donga also > comes to mind as a eucrite that shows a mild attraction to a magnet. > > I guess for those looking for a fool-proof magnetic litmus test to > seperate the wrongs from the 'rites must always be on their toes - > meteorites like to throw us curveballs to keep us honest. :) > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > - > Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) > > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 > News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone > EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 > - > > On 5/24/11, Thunder Stone wrote: > > > > David/List: > > I believe the following meteorites can have no, or negligible magnetic > > pull.RumurutiitesHowarditesEucrites - may have slight > > pullDiogenitesLunarsAubrites > > and perhaps Martian, but they may have a slight attraction > > Sounds very interesting > > Greg S > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:41:55 -0400 > >> From: davidgunn...@fairpoint.net > >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> Subject: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites? > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying > >> degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to > >> that iron clad rule of thumb? > >> > >> I've a non-magnetic mineral specimen with a black crust and what appear > >> to be some sort of orientation striations. > >> > >> The specific gravity of this specimen is lower than the range of values > >> usually associated with most meteorites. > >> > >> Prolly a meteorwrong, I realize, but causes me to pause and wonder if > >> it's within the realm of remote possibility that there are such animals > >> as non-magnetic meteorites? > >> > >> Thanks for your indulgence in helping diminish a wealth of personal > >> ignorance in the somewhat occasional arcane field of meteorite > >> identification. > >> > >> All good regards, > >> > >> David Gunning > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> __ > >> Visit the Archives at > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] noob questions
Hello Everyone, I live in San Antonio and have been doing all of my homework. Reading, getting pictures of stones, and even purchased a couple of samples to study. What are the chances of searching an area that had a fall in 1950 and 1980? Would it be a waste of time? More specifically, I am looking at the Guadeloupe area just east of San Antonio. I have all of the coordinates and I'm going to track down the land owners. Also, if it is a single recovery of a stone, what would the best method be to search the area? Search in Radiating circles? I don't have any information on the direction of the meteorite. I am also thinking of going to the Ash Creek strewn field. I don't think it's possible that it can be all searched out. What do you guys think? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I also think the best way of successfully hunting is to get experience from someone. Are there any groups in the area, or someone willing to be a mentor? Equipment: GB2, Rare Earth Mags, GPS, digging tools, plenty of books and lots of determination. Sorry if this is a duplicate, my first one was rich text. Ron Machisen ronmachi...@me.com Sent from my Macbook Pro __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
Hi Greg and List, Thanks for bringing up eucrites and howardites. :) A while back, I was cutting a howardite stone for a friend, and I noticed a big "ball bearing" metal inclusion. It was about 1cm in diameter and it was visible on the surface of the stone, poking through the crust. The majority of the stone showed almost no attraction at all to a magnet, but that "ball bearing" stuck firmly to the magnet. Pure basaltic eucrites typically show no attraction, but some brecciated eucrites do have free metal content. Camel Donga also comes to mind as a eucrite that shows a mild attraction to a magnet. I guess for those looking for a fool-proof magnetic litmus test to seperate the wrongs from the 'rites must always be on their toes - meteorites like to throw us curveballs to keep us honest. :) Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, Thunder Stone wrote: > > David/List: > I believe the following meteorites can have no, or negligible magnetic > pull.RumurutiitesHowarditesEucrites - may have slight > pullDiogenitesLunarsAubrites > and perhaps Martian, but they may have a slight attraction > Sounds very interesting > Greg S > > >> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:41:55 -0400 >> From: davidgunn...@fairpoint.net >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites? >> >> Hi All, >> >> It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying >> degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to >> that iron clad rule of thumb? >> >> I've a non-magnetic mineral specimen with a black crust and what appear >> to be some sort of orientation striations. >> >> The specific gravity of this specimen is lower than the range of values >> usually associated with most meteorites. >> >> Prolly a meteorwrong, I realize, but causes me to pause and wonder if >> it's within the realm of remote possibility that there are such animals >> as non-magnetic meteorites? >> >> Thanks for your indulgence in helping diminish a wealth of personal >> ignorance in the somewhat occasional arcane field of meteorite >> identification. >> >> All good regards, >> >> David Gunning >> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] No Meteorites on display!!!!
I believe they have one meteorite mixed in with their mineral display ( I also asked ) but they do have the nicest Tyrannosaurs display in the country! MIke Antonelli wrote: > I payed a visit to our local museum here in Pittsburgh PA (The Carnegie > Museum of Natural History) and much to my dismay, found that there was no > display of meteorites. I know they have a nice collection, but was told by a > director there that there just wasn't that much interest in them! Can you > imagine? I started up a thread on Carnegie Museum of Natural History's FB > page, and am in the process of writing letters to various personnel of the > museum. I think it would be a great idea if any of us who have a bit of > spare time would bombard the FB thread on their wall communicating our > displeasure at their lack of a display. Even though most of you are from > other parts of the country or world, it would be in everyone's best interest > to chime in. Check it out...Go to Facebook and search for The Carnegie Museum > of Natural History page, find my post on their wall and let em' have it > We naturally want to keep it clean and concise, but I think firm > statements are warranted! Thanks!!! Go easy out there!!! Mike A. > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] My BEST meteorite-Wrong ever!!!
Ha... I found three of those once - all complete individuals. Greg S > Date: Mon, 23 May 2011 17:03:56 -0700 > From: jimwoodd...@gmail.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] My BEST meteorite-Wrong ever!!! > > Hi all! > > Just got back from a hunt and posted the pictures and a short story on > my website in my ScrapBook and under Recent Finds. > One of the pictures is a meteorwrongcan you tell which one? > What a Find > http://desertsunburn.no-ip.org > > Jim Wooddell > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Georgia Fireball
G'Day List Good video on the Georgia event. http://spaceweather.com/ Cheers John Cabassi __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
David/List: I believe the following meteorites can have no, or negligible magnetic pull.RumurutiitesHowarditesEucrites - may have slight pullDiogenitesLunarsAubrites and perhaps Martian, but they may have a slight attraction Sounds very interesting Greg S > Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:41:55 -0400 > From: davidgunn...@fairpoint.net > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites? > > Hi All, > > It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying > degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to > that iron clad rule of thumb? > > I've a non-magnetic mineral specimen with a black crust and what appear > to be some sort of orientation striations. > > The specific gravity of this specimen is lower than the range of values > usually associated with most meteorites. > > Prolly a meteorwrong, I realize, but causes me to pause and wonder if > it's within the realm of remote possibility that there are such animals > as non-magnetic meteorites? > > Thanks for your indulgence in helping diminish a wealth of personal > ignorance in the somewhat occasional arcane field of meteorite > identification. > > All good regards, > > David Gunning > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] No Meteorites on display!!!!
A whole section of the museum is dedicated to Andy Warhol. What does he have to do with Natural History or minerals other than using lead paint?and radioactive paint from the 60's and 70's exposing our children to possible contamination that would be removed from any other institution as an environmental hazard. Cheers Steve --- On Tue, 5/24/11, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] No Meteorites on display > To: "Darryl Pitt" > Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 3:37 PM > Hi Mike, Darryl, Martin, and List, > > I agree with the opinions expressed here, and I'd like to > add one thing. > > I think this situation only further reinforces the > importance of > private involvement in the realm of meteorite recovery, > science, and > collecting. > > Some institutions, like this one, have nice collections > which are > locked away from the public. These meteorites > languish in dark > cabinets, out of sight and out of mind. If they were > publicly > displayed, they could inspire others to take up the > vocation of > meteorites or meteoritics. The most modest > private collection that > is brought to a school or youth group can do more to help > science (in > the long term) than a world-class collection that only a > select > handful of people ever get to see. If a public > displays inspires only > one child to pursue science as an adult, then that is a > great victory > for everyone involved. > > As collectors, dealers, and hunters, we must do our best to > be > ambassadors for the field. And we should politely but > firmly press > these institutions to put these space rocks on display. > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > - > Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber > (Michael Gilmer) > > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 > News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone > EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 > - > > > On 5/24/11, Darryl Pitt > wrote: > > > > > > Wow! > > > > Excellent/intriguing post. > > > > Maybe one agreed upon statement on a webpage with all > of us as > > signatories---well, those who wish to be > signatories---is the way to go. > > And once the number of signatures hits a critical > mass, go to the Pittsburgh > > Post/Gazette. > > > > If this is not desired, this will only happen if the > BOD signs-off, and > > they---and their chairman---should be the recipients > of such correspondence. > > > > > > All best and thanks for bringing to everyone's > attention. > > > > > > Darryl > > > > > > > > On May 24, 2011, at 10:22 AM, MIke Antonelli wrote: > > > >> I payed a visit to our local museum here in > Pittsburgh PA (The Carnegie > >> Museum of Natural History) and much to my dismay, > found that there was no > >> display of meteorites. I know they have a nice > collection, but was told by > >> a director there that there just wasn't that much > interest in them! > >> Can you imagine? I started up a thread on Carnegie > Museum of Natural > >> History's FB page, and am in the process of > writing letters to various > >> personnel of the museum. I think it would be > a great idea if any of us > >> who have a bit of spare time would bombard the FB > thread on their wall > >> communicating our displeasure at their lack of a > display. Even though most > >> of you are from other parts of the country or > world, it would be in > >> everyone's best interest to chime in. Check it > out...Go to Facebook and > >> search for The Carnegie Museum of Natural History > page, find my post on > >> their wall and let em' have it We naturally > want to keep it clean and > >> concise, but I think firm > >> statements are warranted! Thanks!!! Go easy out > there!!! Mike A. > >> __ > >> Visit the Archives at > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > -- > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit t
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
Hi David, Yes, there are meteorites which show no visible attraction to a magnet. Such meteorites are in the minority, but they do exist. Some examples that come to mind are - some lunars, most martians, and some metal-poor achondrites like angrites and aubrites. Since meteorites are heterogeneous, there can be a wide degree of magnetic variation for one sample to the next, or from one region of a given sample to the next. For example, a metal-poor lunar stone may show no magnetic attraction over 90% of it's surface, but a bleb of free metal may exist inside the stone and that one spot will show some attraction. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, David Gunning wrote: > Hi All, > > It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying > degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to > that iron clad rule of thumb? > > I've a non-magnetic mineral specimen with a black crust and what appear > to be some sort of orientation striations. > > The specific gravity of this specimen is lower than the range of values > usually associated with most meteorites. > > Prolly a meteorwrong, I realize, but causes me to pause and wonder if > it's within the realm of remote possibility that there are such animals > as non-magnetic meteorites? > > Thanks for your indulgence in helping diminish a wealth of personal > ignorance in the somewhat occasional arcane field of meteorite > identification. > > All good regards, > > David Gunning > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange Happenings
Hi Adam, I am very envious of your adventure. During the early days of WWII, due to the cosmic numbers of aircraft we were using, you couldn't flight train everyone on existing active airfields, so a large number of auxiliary airfields, also known as outlying fields, were built. They were used mostly for approach and landing training. No buildings were needed - just level pavement. This method is still alive today, but the demand is much less due to advances in simulation and of course the much lower number of planes in service. I went through nav training about 12 years ago in Pensacola and have fond memories of repeated approaches to these fields with Satan (A.K.A Instructor) screaming F-bombs from the back seat. A student and instructor drawing OLF duty will land at the fields to sometimes observe and direct the patterns. Over time, the desert and local communities have absorbed them. I predict this particular triangular patterned field served multiple other uses such as visual navigation and aimpoint training, and maybe even served as a Drop Zone for cargo run training. The list could go on for pages. --- On Tue, 5/24/11, Adam Hupe wrote: > From: Adam Hupe > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Strange Happenings > To: "Adam" > Date: Tuesday, May 24, 2011, 10:09 AM > Hi Guido, James and List, > > Yes, I was thinking it was some sort of airfield but the > lack of building ruins > threw me off. I did find a ~20' crater on top of a small > rise that punched > through the desert pavement and left a raised rim. Perhaps > the military presence > in that area can explain this structure about two miles > away from the abandoned > airfield. I did not find any shrapnel > around it but some interesting rocks > were excavated. If I was a rock-hound, my backpack > would have weighed over 200 > pounds. > > > In any case, this area looks perfect for meteorite hunting > at first glance but > once your boots are on the ground the story changes. There > are a lot of black > magnetic rocks (magnetite) lying around everywhere > mimicking meteorites while > others have heavy desert varnish. The desert pavement > is very old and well > developed so I am sure there are meteorites mixed in but a > metal detector would > not be of much use. > > > I had a great time, met some very friendly people and got > some much needed > exercise. Perhaps one of these days, we will discover a > cosmic landing strip > (strewn-field) with meteorites lying around everywhere. > Until then, we will > continue the search and dream. > > > Happy Hunting, > > Adam > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
Hi All, It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to that iron clad rule of thumb? I've a non-magnetic mineral specimen with a black crust and what appear to be some sort of orientation striations. The specific gravity of this specimen is lower than the range of values usually associated with most meteorites. Prolly a meteorwrong, I realize, but causes me to pause and wonder if it's within the realm of remote possibility that there are such animals as non-magnetic meteorites? Thanks for your indulgence in helping diminish a wealth of personal ignorance in the somewhat occasional arcane field of meteorite identification. All good regards, David Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] No Meteorites on display!!!!
Hi Mike, Darryl, Martin, and List, I agree with the opinions expressed here, and I'd like to add one thing. I think this situation only further reinforces the importance of private involvement in the realm of meteorite recovery, science, and collecting. Some institutions, like this one, have nice collections which are locked away from the public. These meteorites languish in dark cabinets, out of sight and out of mind. If they were publicly displayed, they could inspire others to take up the vocation of meteorites or meteoritics. The most modest private collection that is brought to a school or youth group can do more to help science (in the long term) than a world-class collection that only a select handful of people ever get to see. If a public displays inspires only one child to pursue science as an adult, then that is a great victory for everyone involved. As collectors, dealers, and hunters, we must do our best to be ambassadors for the field. And we should politely but firmly press these institutions to put these space rocks on display. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, Darryl Pitt wrote: > > > Wow! > > Excellent/intriguing post. > > Maybe one agreed upon statement on a webpage with all of us as > signatories---well, those who wish to be signatories---is the way to go. > And once the number of signatures hits a critical mass, go to the Pittsburgh > Post/Gazette. > > If this is not desired, this will only happen if the BOD signs-off, and > they---and their chairman---should be the recipients of such correspondence. > > > All best and thanks for bringing to everyone's attention. > > > Darryl > > > > On May 24, 2011, at 10:22 AM, MIke Antonelli wrote: > >> I payed a visit to our local museum here in Pittsburgh PA (The Carnegie >> Museum of Natural History) and much to my dismay, found that there was no >> display of meteorites. I know they have a nice collection, but was told by >> a director there that there just wasn't that much interest in them! >> Can you imagine? I started up a thread on Carnegie Museum of Natural >> History's FB page, and am in the process of writing letters to various >> personnel of the museum. I think it would be a great idea if any of us >> who have a bit of spare time would bombard the FB thread on their wall >> communicating our displeasure at their lack of a display. Even though most >> of you are from other parts of the country or world, it would be in >> everyone's best interest to chime in. Check it out...Go to Facebook and >> search for The Carnegie Museum of Natural History page, find my post on >> their wall and let em' have it We naturally want to keep it clean and >> concise, but I think firm >> statements are warranted! Thanks!!! Go easy out there!!! Mike A. >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] No Meteorites on display!!!!
Wow! Excellent/intriguing post. Maybe one agreed upon statement on a webpage with all of us as signatories---well, those who wish to be signatories---is the way to go. And once the number of signatures hits a critical mass, go to the Pittsburgh Post/Gazette. If this is not desired, this will only happen if the BOD signs-off, and they---and their chairman---should be the recipients of such correspondence. All best and thanks for bringing to everyone's attention. Darryl On May 24, 2011, at 10:22 AM, MIke Antonelli wrote: > I payed a visit to our local museum here in Pittsburgh PA (The Carnegie > Museum of Natural History) and much to my dismay, found that there was no > display of meteorites. I know they have a nice collection, but was told by a > director there that there just wasn't that much interest in them! Can you > imagine? I started up a thread on Carnegie Museum of Natural History's FB > page, and am in the process of writing letters to various personnel of the > museum. I think it would be a great idea if any of us who have a bit of > spare time would bombard the FB thread on their wall communicating our > displeasure at their lack of a display. Even though most of you are from > other parts of the country or world, it would be in everyone's best interest > to chime in. Check it out...Go to Facebook and search for The Carnegie Museum > of Natural History page, find my post on their wall and let em' have it > We naturally want to keep it clean and concise, but I think firm > statements are warranted! Thanks!!! Go easy out there!!! Mike A. > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes
Hi Mark, Nice job! I love what you are doing with the site. One correction though - The first "Widmanstatten patterns" were first observed a few years earlier by G. Thomson on the Krasnojarsk iron (Pallas Iron). See here: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/bk-thomson.html Cheers, Mike Bandli -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark's Meteorites Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 5:53 AM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes Hi folks, A couple of accounts of the Hraschina fall in 1751. The first observed fall of an iron, and the first meteorite where the Widmannstatten pattern was observed: http://historicfalls.com/18th-century/hraschina/ Mark Crawford __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange Happenings
Hi Guido, James and List, Yes, I was thinking it was some sort of airfield but the lack of building ruins threw me off. I did find a ~20' crater on top of a small rise that punched through the desert pavement and left a raised rim. Perhaps the military presence in that area can explain this structure about two miles away from the abandoned airfield. I did not find any shrapnel around it but some interesting rocks were excavated. If I was a rock-hound, my backpack would have weighed over 200 pounds. In any case, this area looks perfect for meteorite hunting at first glance but once your boots are on the ground the story changes. There are a lot of black magnetic rocks (magnetite) lying around everywhere mimicking meteorites while others have heavy desert varnish. The desert pavement is very old and well developed so I am sure there are meteorites mixed in but a metal detector would not be of much use. I had a great time, met some very friendly people and got some much needed exercise. Perhaps one of these days, we will discover a cosmic landing strip (strewn-field) with meteorites lying around everywhere. Until then, we will continue the search and dream. Happy Hunting, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] No Meteorites on display!!!!
Hi Mike, if I think to Bern, Warsaw, Paris...and elsewhere, where collectors helped to design exhibitions, perhaps it would be nicer to come with a concept than only to complain? Meteorites might be not as "sexy" like dinosaurs, but in our times of increased planetary missions, certainly a 1st class attraction. Especially for visitors not so versed in mineralogy, tending to be bored by rocks and mounts, which aren't shiny and colourful. If you have then smth. EXTRATERRESTRIAL... and if that wouldn't be enough also as addition also some meteorites as historical items, a visit of such a collection could be more thrilling. Touch the Moon, touch planet Mars! Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von MIke Antonelli Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2011 16:22 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] No Meteorites on display I payed a visit to our local museum here in Pittsburgh PA (The Carnegie Museum of Natural History) and much to my dismay, found that there was no display of meteorites. I know they have a nice collection, but was told by a director there that there just wasn't that much interest in them! Can you imagine? I started up a thread on Carnegie Museum of Natural History's FB page, and am in the process of writing letters to various personnel of the museum. I think it would be a great idea if any of us who have a bit of spare time would bombard the FB thread on their wall communicating our displeasure at their lack of a display. Even though most of you are from other parts of the country or world, it would be in everyone's best interest to chime in. Check it out...Go to Facebook and search for The Carnegie Museum of Natural History page, find my post on their wall and let em' have it We naturally want to keep it clean and concise, but I think firm statements are warranted! Thanks!!! Go easy out there!!! Mike A. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] No Meteorites on display!!!!
I payed a visit to our local museum here in Pittsburgh PA (The Carnegie Museum of Natural History) and much to my dismay, found that there was no display of meteorites. I know they have a nice collection, but was told by a director there that there just wasn't that much interest in them! Can you imagine? I started up a thread on Carnegie Museum of Natural History's FB page, and am in the process of writing letters to various personnel of the museum. I think it would be a great idea if any of us who have a bit of spare time would bombard the FB thread on their wall communicating our displeasure at their lack of a display. Even though most of you are from other parts of the country or world, it would be in everyone's best interest to chime in. Check it out...Go to Facebook and search for The Carnegie Museum of Natural History page, find my post on their wall and let em' have it We naturally want to keep it clean and concise, but I think firm statements are warranted! Thanks!!! Go easy out there!!! Mike A. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD> SAU 001 : Buy ten, get one free
Hello, enjoy our wide selection of SAU 001 (Oman) meteorites. Until may 31, buy ten SAU 001 and get one free (the tenth is free, the lightest). Go and have a look on meteor-center.com/shop Pierre-Marie PELE IMCA 3360 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Strange Happenings
It's a very old WWII Airfield. Luke Airfield #4, basically an old training OLF. Scroll down a bit and there's a good history with a collection of photos through the years. http://members.tripod.com/airfields_freeman/AZ/Airfields_AZ_Phoenix_NW.htm --- On Mon, 5/23/11, Adam Hupe wrote: > From: Adam Hupe > Subject: [meteorite-list] Strange Happenings > To: "Adam" > Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 11:53 PM > Dear List Members, > > Just returned from a field trip in Hassayampa Basin, > Arizona while staying with > my uncle in Wickenburg. > > There was some discussion on the List a month or so ago > about finding strange > things in the middle of the desert. How about a > perfect triangle with all three > sides adding up to around 3 miles carved in the middle of > nowhere? It kind of > reminds me of landing strip but there are no buildings or > support services > anywhere near it. > > > My uncle did find a promising brown crusted stone about a > mile away from the > mysterious triangle. > > > > Google Earth image of huge triangle in the middle of the > desert: > http://themeteoritesite.com/GoogleEarth_Image.jpg > > Google link to same: > http://themeteoritesite.com/GoogleEarth_Placemark.kmz > > Link to image of promising looking find: > http://themeteoritesite.com/Stone-a.jpg > > It never fails to amaze me what odd things we always seem > to run into in the > desert. > > > Happy Hunting, > > Adam > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hraschina historical notes
Hi folks, A couple of accounts of the Hraschina fall in 1751. The first observed fall of an iron, and the first meteorite where the Widmannstatten pattern was observed: http://historicfalls.com/18th-century/hraschina/ Mark Crawford __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
