Re: [meteorite-list] Tagish Lake Meteorite holds clues to organic chemistry of the early Earth

[Jim Dixon]

Paul and List,

There is also an interview with Chris Herd about this on Saturday the 11th on 
CBC Radio (11am - likely EST)

Please see the link on right side of the article for more information.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2011/06/09/science-asteroids-meteorite-organic-amino.html

CBC Radio One may be accessed online here - http://www.cbc.ca/listen/index.html

Regards,
Jim 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Paul H.
Sent: June-09-11 8:45 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Tagish Lake Meteorite holds clues to organic 
chemistry of the early Earth

Meteorite holds clues to organic chemistry of the 
early Earth: study, PhysOrg, June 9, 2011
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-06-meteorite-clues-chemistry-early-earth.html

Did Asteroids Help Incubate the First Earthly Life?
by Jeffrey Kluger, Time Magazine, June 9, 2011
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2076420,00.html

Asteroids may have nurtured the chemical seeds of 
life by Stephanie Pappas, Live Science, June 9, 2011,
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43344767/ns/technology_and_science-science/

Meteorite holds clues to organic chemistry of the 
early Earth, e! Science News, June 9, 2011
http://esciencenews.com/articles/2011/06/09/meteorite.holds.clues.organic.chemistry.early.earth

The paper is:

Herd, C. D. K., A. Blinova, D. N. Simkus, Y. Huang, R. 
Tarozo, C. M. O’D. Alexander, F. Gyngard, L. R. Nittler,
G. D. Cody, M. L. Fogel, Y. Kebukawa, A. L. D. Kilcoyne,
R. W. Hilts, G. F. Slater, D. P. Glavin, J. P. Dworkin, M. 
P. Callahan, J. E. Elsila, B. T. De Gregorio, and R. M. 
Stroud, 2011, Origin and Evolution of Prebiotic 
Organic Matter As Inferred from the Tagish Lake 
Meteorite. Science. vol. 332, no. 6035, pp. 1229-1344
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6035/1304.abstract

Yours,

Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Alt. : Free Shipping - WORLD WIDE

[BRIAN SCHROEDER]

Hello List and all the Shippers out there .
Have Altered the TAG a bit by adding  WORLD WIDE Shipping.  Since the 
" I "  in IMCA does refer to International, and more clearly reflects 
the discussion
FREE SHIPPING means FREE , regardless of location...  I live by that 
rule.. 18+ years of International Shipping has taught me a few things.
If you look at my auctions or contact me directly , I try to take the 
confusion out of Shipping by offering Flat Rates anywhere in the 
Multiverse.  Always Registered, Trackable and Insured, the only way to ship.


I also buy on eBay at times,  the FREE SHIPPING can be confusing to 
say the least. Unless I really like what I see I never 'Contact the 
Seller", to enquire about the  "OUTSIDE of the WXYZ" costs ..
Next - I really get tired of having shippers sending my purchase to 
Canada or Thailand , who do not take advantage of the deals USPS 
offers.. They do have Flat rate Boxes , and the Seller can alter the 
Sale Items to Fit these most of the time.
Now I realize that the  eBay shipping Calculators and their basically 
limited system is a bit of a mess. So here are a couple of Ideas.


IN THE DESCRIPTION AREA , note to the Buyers, make it Obvious and 
keep it Simple please.


A. ( will lose you sales and waste time )
Contact me for shipping Costs outside of WXYZ, I would be happy to 
provide you with the Best Options and Prices available.


B. ( I like this best )
1. Inside WXYZ will be $6.
2. For WXY and XYZ will be $10
3. Other countries will be  $14.

C. ( Easy - BUT FREE SHIPPING means FREE )
- FREE SHIPPING ANYWHERE

D. ( Simple ? )
-  Free to WXYZ and $5 Shipping Anywhere else on your Planet.

Personally, I believe more eBay sales are lost due to the 
USPS  shipping charges and how Sellers have them set up in their eBay 
listings,  than any other reason. .
I just made a purchase , shipped to Thailand , Listing stated 
Shipping was to be $12 a pound + $3 for each additional pound.. GREAT 
, so I bit.. Received an Invoice for $48 Shipping for 6 Pounds..  Now 
what to do ???
Now I received the Package , Stamp says $36.17 ??  Packing was 
terrible , broken pieces ...  And this seller has 100% Feedback . 
800+ sales.  Hmm , what next , request a refund ??
The eBay Dilemma continues , shipping settings in eBay will always be 
an issue for some... Keep it simple , Offer alternatives , and be 
clear please.  OH , and try reading your adds at times to see if 
there are any issues...


Happy Shipping
Brian S.
IMCA # 7381
http://stores.ebay.ca/AAJEWELCOM




>
> I wish dealers especially on EBay wouldn't advertise "Free Shipping"
> when it only applies to U.S.customers. The rest of us (non U. S.) get
> hit with high shipping costs.
>
> Chris Spratt
> (Via my iPhone)
>


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[meteorite-list] Daytime Phoenix Meteor Fireball 9JUN2011

[drtanuki]

Dear List,  There was a daytime bolide seen north of Phoenix at ~1:33 pm 
9JUN2011. Anyone with potential camera video please check and let me know.  
Thank you.  Dirk Ross...Tokyo

http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/06/elp-allsky-reports-daytime-meteor.html
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[meteorite-list] Colorado 3 Bright Daytime-Like Meteors ~1:23 am 10JUN2011

[drtanuki]

Dear List,
  Since there are many members on this list from Colorado... just-reported 3 in 
a row:
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/06/breaking-news-dove-creek-colorado-3.html
Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

I fear this thread may be counter-productive for any that are just getting 
started in the search for meteorites.  The glacier angle is, in this case, thin 
ice.  First, Antarctica is a very special case:  in general glacial moraines 
are 
an absolutely horrible place to look.  I'm with Mike.  If you've got genuine 
meteorites, they probably have nothing at all to do with the moraine deposits.  
Second, I'm also with Anne: the starting place here is to confirm the ID.  This 
is one of those stories with "to good to be true" overtones.

But back to moraines. As a lifelong exploration geologist, I spent many years 
living on the terminal moraines and outwash gravels of the Cordilleran ice 
sheet 
(in NE WA).  Moraines are vast accumulations of rock, precisely what a 
meteorite 
hunter doesn't want.  Nininger's pioneering success in the recovery of 
meteorites was a direct result of going places where there shouldn't be any 
rocks. The sand seas of the Sahara, same thing.  The dry lakebeds of the Great 
Basin continue that tradition.  And so does Antarctica.  


The latter, of course, is where the confusion arises.  Glaciers are part of the 
story for the Antarctic meteorites, but only part.  Starting at the simple end, 
Antarctica is a vast expanse of white and blue where the nearest bedrock is 
often 3000 m straight down.  Rocks are easy to spot, and most that are there 
fell from the sky.  On a snowmobile you can cover a lot of ground fast and not 
miss much.  The driest air on earth (much dryer than that of hot deserts) adds 
to the story by lengthening meteorite shelf-life.  Then there are the glaciers.

Mainly, the ice flows to the coast and the meteorites sail away in their ice 
rafts until they are dumped unceremoniously into the depths of the ocean.  
However, where the flowing ice encounters mountains, like the Transantarctic 
range, it stalls, to be slowly eaten away by katabatic winds descending from 
the 
high country.  More ice flows in to replace that lost, and with time, all of 
the 
entrained rocks accumulate in a relatively compact stranding zone.

The terminal moraines of the North American ice sheets were quite different.  
They flowed into warmer climes, melted, thinned and dumped their contents like 
dirty plowed snowpiles in the spring.  They advanced and retreated.  Meltwaters 
reworked the lot.  The ice was both a bulldozer and upside-down conveyor belt.  
Certainly, meteorites fell onto the surface of the ice, as they do on all the 
world, but in this case the glaciers provided vast dilution, not concentration.

Of course you could find a meteorite in glacial deposits, but the dilution 
effects make the search much more difficult.

So advice to would-be searchers: by all means do search wherever you can, but 
if 
you want to increase your odds of success, don't head for the moraines of the 
great continental ice sheets.  Further, you don't need to run out and buy a 
metal detector, expensive or otherwise. Life is too short to do that anywhere 
but a strewn field. You need to cover ground to up the odds.  Go where there 
are 
no rocks and use your eyes, by far the best tool available for routine cold 
searches

Cheers,
Norm (still on the far side of the globe)
www.tektitesource.com



- Original Message 
From: Dave Myers 
To: meteoriteguy.com 
Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
; 
tracy latimer 
Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 5:07:57 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

Hi Mike you may be right.

But the two chondrites are so different, I do not think there from the same 
fall. But they both could be from different falls??


And when you look at the glacier map I posted with all the iron finds in south 
west ohio, non of them are paired? 


just my thoughts.

Thanks again

Dave Myers





 


- Original Message 
From: meteoriteguy.com 
To: Dave Myers 
Cc: tracy latimer ; "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 

Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:29:27 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

Guys,
It is very unlikely that these
Chondrites are related to the glaciation. Just appears to be a strewnfield like 
any other. 

Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Dave Myers  wrote:

> Hi Tracy
> 
> All the green areas on the map are "high glaicer morians" It does not show 
> the 


> smaller ones in Butler county and other countys.
> 
> There is a farm on the Butler-Hamilton county line most of it in Hamilton 
> county, Has a perfect out line "u" shaped of a morian on that farm.
> 
> I want to hunt that really bad.
> 
> Will ask next them next year.
> 
> 
> Dave Myers
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: tracy latimer 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:16:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
> 
> 
> That was my thought as well.  There seem to be parallels here between the 
> Muonionlusta field

Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

[Count Deiro]

Hello Norm, List,

Considering the exposition on "Meteorite Men" of the Muonionalusta strewn field 
and in particular the claims by the Swedish hunter that the meteorites were 
brought to the area by glaciers, could you comment?

Best to all,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536
-Original Message-
>From: Norm Lehrman 
>Sent: Jun 10, 2011 6:08 AM
>To: Dave Myers 
>Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
>
>All,
>
>I fear this thread may be counter-productive for any that are just getting 
>started in the search for meteorites.  The glacier angle is, in this case, 
>thin 
>ice.  First, Antarctica is a very special case:  in general glacial moraines 
>are 
>an absolutely horrible place to look.  I'm with Mike.  If you've got genuine 
>meteorites, they probably have nothing at all to do with the moraine 
>deposits.  
>Second, I'm also with Anne: the starting place here is to confirm the ID.  
>This 
>is one of those stories with "to good to be true" overtones.
>
>But back to moraines. As a lifelong exploration geologist, I spent many years 
>living on the terminal moraines and outwash gravels of the Cordilleran ice 
>sheet 
>(in NE WA).  Moraines are vast accumulations of rock, precisely what a 
>meteorite 
>hunter doesn't want.  Nininger's pioneering success in the recovery of 
>meteorites was a direct result of going places where there shouldn't be any 
>rocks. The sand seas of the Sahara, same thing.  The dry lakebeds of the Great 
>Basin continue that tradition.  And so does Antarctica.  
>
>
>The latter, of course, is where the confusion arises.  Glaciers are part of 
>the 
>story for the Antarctic meteorites, but only part.  Starting at the simple 
>end, 
>Antarctica is a vast expanse of white and blue where the nearest bedrock is 
>often 3000 m straight down.  Rocks are easy to spot, and most that are there 
>fell from the sky.  On a snowmobile you can cover a lot of ground fast and not 
>miss much.  The driest air on earth (much dryer than that of hot deserts) adds 
>to the story by lengthening meteorite shelf-life.  Then there are the glaciers.
>
>Mainly, the ice flows to the coast and the meteorites sail away in their ice 
>rafts until they are dumped unceremoniously into the depths of the ocean.  
>However, where the flowing ice encounters mountains, like the Transantarctic 
>range, it stalls, to be slowly eaten away by katabatic winds descending from 
>the 
>high country.  More ice flows in to replace that lost, and with time, all of 
>the 
>entrained rocks accumulate in a relatively compact stranding zone.
>
>The terminal moraines of the North American ice sheets were quite different.  
>They flowed into warmer climes, melted, thinned and dumped their contents like 
>dirty plowed snowpiles in the spring.  They advanced and retreated.  
>Meltwaters 
>reworked the lot.  The ice was both a bulldozer and upside-down conveyor 
>belt.  
>Certainly, meteorites fell onto the surface of the ice, as they do on all the 
>world, but in this case the glaciers provided vast dilution, not concentration.
>
>Of course you could find a meteorite in glacial deposits, but the dilution 
>effects make the search much more difficult.
>
>So advice to would-be searchers: by all means do search wherever you can, but 
>if 
>you want to increase your odds of success, don't head for the moraines of the 
>great continental ice sheets.  Further, you don't need to run out and buy a 
>metal detector, expensive or otherwise. Life is too short to do that anywhere 
>but a strewn field. You need to cover ground to up the odds.  Go where there 
>are 
>no rocks and use your eyes, by far the best tool available for routine cold 
>searches
>
>Cheers,
>Norm (still on the far side of the globe)
>www.tektitesource.com
>
>
>
>- Original Message 
>From: Dave Myers 
>To: meteoriteguy.com 
>Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
>; 
>tracy latimer 
>Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 5:07:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
>
>Hi Mike you may be right.
>
>But the two chondrites are so different, I do not think there from the same 
>fall. But they both could be from different falls??
>
>
>And when you look at the glacier map I posted with all the iron finds in south 
>west ohio, non of them are paired? 
>
>
>just my thoughts.
>
>Thanks again
>
>Dave Myers
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>- Original Message 
>From: meteoriteguy.com 
>To: Dave Myers 
>Cc: tracy latimer ; 
>"meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
>
>Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:29:27 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
>
>Guys,
>It is very unlikely that these
>Chondrites are related to the glaciation. Just appears to be a strewnfield 
>like 
>any other. 
>
>Michael Farmer
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Dave Myers  wrote:
>
>> Hi Tracy
>> 
>> All the green areas on the map are "high glaicer morians" It does not show 
>> t

[meteorite-list] NASA Releasing First Ever Spacecraft Orbital Views Of Mercury (MESSENGER)

[Ron Baalke]

June 10, 2011

Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington 
202-358-1726 
dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov 

Paulette Campbell 
Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, Laurel, Md. 
240-228-6792 
paulette.campb...@jhuapl.edu   


MEDIA ADVISORY: M11-119

NASA RELEASING FIRST EVER SPACECRAFT ORBITAL VIEWS OF MERCURY

WASHINGTON -- NASA will host a news conference at 1 p.m. EDT on 
Thursday, June 16, to reveal new images and science findings from the 
first spacecraft to orbit Mercury. The event will be held in the NASA 
Headquarters auditorium located at 300 E St. SW, in Washington. NASA 
Television and the agency's website will broadcast the event. 

NASA's MErcury Surface, Space ENvironment, GEochemistry, and Ranging, 
or MESSENGER spacecraft conducted more than a dozen laps through the 
inner solar system for six years prior to achieving the historic 
orbit insertion on March 17. 

Briefing participants are: 
-- Brett Denevi, scientist, Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics 
Laboratory (APL) , Laurel, Md. 
-- Ralph McNutt, Jr., MESSENGER project scientist, APL 
-- Larry Nittler, scientist, Department of Terrestrial Magnetism, 
Carnegie Institution of Washington 
-- Sean Solomon, MESSENGER principal investigator, Carnegie 
Institution 

Reporters may attend the event, ask questions from participating NASA 
locations, or join by phone. To obtain dial-in information, 
journalists must email Dwayne Brown at dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov with 
their name, media affiliation and work telephone number by 9 a.m. on 
June 16. 

For more information about the mission, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/messenger/main/index.html 

For NASA TV streaming video, downlink and schedule information, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv   

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[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: June 6-10, 2011

[Ron Baalke]

MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
June 6-10, 2011

o Small Dunes (06 June 2011)
  http://themis.asu.edu/node/5658

o Harris Crater Delta (07 June 2011)
  http://themis.asu.edu/node/5659

o Iani Chaos (08 June 2011)
  http://themis.asu.edu/node/5660

o Holden Crater Rim (09 June 2011)
  http://themis.asu.edu/node/5661

o Windstreaks (10 June 2011)
  http://themis.asu.edu/node/5662

All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 



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[meteorite-list] Entry, Descent and Surface Science for 2016 Mars Mission

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMLEFRHPOG_index_0.html

Entry, descent and surface science for 2016 Mars mission
European Space Agency 
10 June 2011

ESA and NASA have announced the scientific investigations selected for
their 2016 ExoMars lander demonstrator. They will probe the atmosphere
during the descent, and return the first ever data on electrical fields
at the surface of Mars.
 
The EDM Entry, descent, and landing Demonstrator Module is part of the
joint ESA/NASA ExoMars Trace Gas Orbiter mission to be launched in 2016
for arrival at Mars nine months later.

Although its main goal is to demonstrate European entry, descent and
landing technologies for future visits to Mars, it will also offer some
limited, but useful, scientific opportunities.

"The EDM will be landing during the dust storm season," says Jorge Vago,
ExoMars Project Scientist. "This will provide a unique chance to
characterise a dust-loaded atmosphere during entry and descent, and to
conduct interesting surface measurements associated with a dust-rich
environment."
 
"Although its main goal is to demonstrate European entry, descent and
landing technologies for future visits to Mars, it will also offer some
limited, but useful, scientific opportunities."

For the descent phase, two proposed investigations called Entry, Descent
and Landing (EDL) Science and IDEAS (Investigations During Entry and
Atmospheric Science) were selected and combined into one Entry and
Descent Science programme.

The joint team will use the module's entry, descent and landing
engineering data to reconstruct its trajectory and determine the
atmospheric conditions.

Once on the surface, the DREAMS (Dust characterisation, Risk assessment,
and Environment Analyser on the Martian Surface) scientific payload will
function as an environmental station for the two to four days of the
surface mission.

To achieve this, teams of scientists and engineers from nine countries
around the world will develop a dedicated suite of sensors to measure
the wind speed and direction (MetWind), humidity (MetHumi), pressure
(MetBaro) and surface temperature (MarsTem), and to determine the
transparency of the atmosphere (ODS).

DREAMS will also make the first measurements of electrical fields at the
planet's surface with its MicroARES detector. Electrical fields are
likely to be generated when grains rub against each other in the
dust-rich atmosphere, so landing during the dust storm season increases
the chance of being able to study this charging and its consequences.

In addition to the surface payload, a colour camera system on the EDM
will deliver valuable additional scientific data, as well as spectacular
images. No design has yet been chosen for the camera, but a decision is
expected before the end of this year.

"The selection of these science investigations complements the
technological goals of the EDM," says Dr Vago. "This has been an
important step that will allow our team to move on to the development of
this important mission element."
 
Contact for further information

 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Tagish Lake Meteorite holds clues to organic chemistry of the early Earth

[Dan Furlan]

here is another article that a close friend forwarded to me this morning

http://www.vancouversun.com/mobile/iphone/story.html?id=4924266

Daniel Furlan
meteorite collector and dealer
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Re: [meteorite-list] HERITAGE NATURAL HISTORY AUCTION THIS SUNDAY

[Rich Jolly]

I can't see why a list member would bother with the Heritage auction unless
you are interested in something truly unique.In my mind the provenance
comes from the consignee, not the auction house.They don't add even a
fraction of the value of a 20% buyer's premium for me.  For example, they
list a Martian DAG 1037 slice.   I just purchased a very similar slice from
a prominent list member and dealer for a fraction of their price.   

For someone  not familiar meteorites, they may present a different value
equation.Personally, I'm going to sit it out and focus on buying from
the established and reputable dealers.

Just my 2 cents worth and only my personal opinion.

-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darryl
Pitt
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 6:59 PM
To: Meteorite-list List
Subject: [meteorite-list] HERITAGE NATURAL HISTORY AUCTION THIS SUNDAY



Greetings List:

I think we are in agreement that everything else being the same, provenance
enhances value.  

Well, this coming Sunday, Heritage Auction Galleries will be hosting what is
arguably the preeminent Natural History auction since the introduction of
the format.  Years from now I believe the June 12th Heritage Natural History
catalog which boasts four large dinosaurs (two of which are Jurassic) and a
$13M+ sale estimate will be a collectors item, and the perceived value of
all the specimens contained in the same will be enhanced.  As it regards the
meteorite section, several consignors, myself included, have assembled a
collection which is at least worthy of a peak if you haven't already taken a
look.  Superlative specimens abound with many having terrific museum
provenance.  

Included are Murchison (2), L'Aigle (2), Wold Cottage, NWA 4662, DAG 1037,
Henbury, Imilac, NWA 5717, Flandreau, Willamette, Lost City, NWA 2995 (2)
and Ensisheim---and of course an assortment of aesthetic irons.

Just go to http://www.ha.com and enter "meteorites" in the search line which
will bring up most of the offerings, or log into the Natural History sale
itself and scroll through the catalog.


All the best and enjoy!

Darryl

[one tiny detail:  I did not suggest the possible Angrite/Mecury association
suggested in the NWA 4662 consignment.]
















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[Howard Wu]

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Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted - Willamette Meteorite specimen

[Davio L. Ribeca]

Hi Lister,
I'm looking for a representative specimen of the Willamette meteorite. Not a 
micro-mount. Please contact me if you have one for sale. Thank you in 
advance. You guys are the best!


Davio R.
IMCA member 4050 


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[meteorite-list] Ad: space related palladium coin.

[Howard Wu]

Hi list, not exactly meteoritic, although palladium is found in meteorites, 
just 
ask the dinosaurs.  I have an one ounce palladium Israel official commemorative 
medal of the first Israel satellite the Offeq 1968. (Less than 2500 made.) I 
 thought I'd ask first if anybody on the list would be interested before I list 
this on ebay. Rather see somebody here get a deal on some real palladium. 
Best offer over Pd spot, about $815 as of this afternoon. Much of the sale I 
will be using in paying off some recent meteoritic acquitions I still own on. 

Please email me off list freewu2000 at yahoo.com for  info or offers.

Thanks,
Howard Wu
Bishop CA
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[Howard Wu]

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[meteorite-list] WANT AD: Illinois Meteorites

[bill kies]

Hi all,
 
My biennial request for Illinois meteorite specimens, other than PF, while I'm 
thinking about. 
 
Contact me off-list if you have anything you can part with.
 
Thanks and best regards to everyone,
Bill  
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[meteorite-list] AD - New Mesosiderite Offering, Updated "Olivine Diogenite" material, Jewelry, Tektites, Trinitite.

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks]

Hi Friends and Collectors!

I have some nice small endcuts and material to look at, some of which
is brand new this week.

You can use the "metlist" coupon code at checkout for 20% off all
prices.  As always, all specimens come in a labelled 1.25" gemjar for
safe storage and every order gets a freebie(s)!

I have a few remaining pieces of an unclassified meteorite that is
extremely-likely to be an olivine diogenite and is very likely paired
to NWA 5480.  Let me be very clear here so there is no mistake - this
meteorite that I am offering is unclassified.  But, I can state with
certainty that this meteorite came from the same finder as NWA 5480
and from the same strewnfield.  I've had more than one buyer directly
compare the two and they cannot tell the difference visually.  With
the coupon discount, it it priced very attractively and these are the
only pieces I have remaining.  Since I didn't get much of this
material to start with, I have no plans to get it classified myself.

2.25g endcut - 
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/unclassified-possible-olivine-diogenite-see-description-2g-endcut

1.76g endcut - 
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/unclassified-possible-olivine-diogenite-see-description-1g-slice

micromounts - 
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/unclassified-possible-olivine-diogenite-see-description-2g-endcut-1


I also have some nice specimens of a textbook mesosiderite that is
loaded with metal chunks and metal nodules.  This meso comes from
Morocco and is NWA 2932.  I had a small bit of this meteorite over a
year ago and it sold out quickly.  This is the only little batch I
could acquire since then.  I have 2 nice endcuts, 3 smaller endcuts,
and micromount-sized pieces.  Some of the smaller micro pieces also
show a good bit of metal and those will go to the first buyers.  Here
are the links -

2.25g endcut - 
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-2932--saharan-mesosiderite-low-tkw-225g-endcut

2.05g endcut - 
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-2932-saharan-mesosiderite-low-tkw-205g-endcut-1

Large micro endcuts (.75 to 1.25g ea - good value, only 3 available!)
- 
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-2932-saharan-mesosiderite-low-tkw-lmicros

Micromounts - 
http://www.galactic-stone.com/product/nwa-2932-saharan-mesosiderite-low-tkw-micros


The custom made meteorite jewelry has been selling steadily, and I
only have a few pieces remaining.  If you want one of these necklaces,
don't hesitate.  I won't be lowering the prices on the remaining
pieces because the my cost was set higher due to the high quality of
the pieces. Everyone has been very happy with their pieces.  It should
also be noted that the pendants themselves are unisex, but the
sterling silver chains look better on the fairer sex, so if they don't
appear "manly" enough in the photos, one could always put the pendant
on another chain (the finding on the pendant is also sterling silver)

Meteorite (and Tektite) Jewelry -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/meteorite-jewelry


For tektite collectors, I still have a handful of large, nice,
indochinite biscuits that have great size, heft, and shape.  I only
have a few remaining and I cannot get more of this quality because it
was a one-time acquisition.  I also have one remaining piece of Czech
Moldavite that is large and premium quality (although I do have a few
smaller micro pieces as well).

Tektites and Moldavite -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/tektites-amp-impactites


I have one of the world's largest private collections of trinitite,
but I am nearly sold out of red trinitite and I only have a few small
pieces remaining.  I am confident that I may be able to get more of it
in the future, but I am not certain if or when.

I do have a nice handful of larger green pieces available (larger than
typically offered, about 5 available).

Trinitite - http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/trinitite


See all of the newest items here -
http://www.galactic-stone.com/products/brand-new/?page=1&s=newest


---> Don't forget to use your coupon code "metlist" for 20% off your entire
purchase.  :)


If you have any problems with the coupon code or checkout, let me know
and I will straighten it out.  :)


Thanks for looking and have a great weekend!

MikeG

-
Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer)

Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my
News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564
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[meteorite-list] is this a meteorite or not

[habibi abdelaziz]

hello all

this is not an ad " i know an ad per week"

well see this 360 gr and tell me if it is a meteorite or not it has some iron 
nickel; it look like agoult or dunite.
or a new achondrite  , or an earth rock but than what the  iron nickel is doing 
there,,,

http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/

aziz


 habibi aziz 
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

[meteoriteguy.com]

Guys,
It is very unlikely that these
Chondrites are related to the glaciation. Just appears to be a strewnfield like 
any other. 
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Dave Myers  wrote:

> Hi Tracy
> 
> All the green areas on the map are "high glaicer morians" It does not show 
> the 
> smaller ones in Butler county and other countys.
> 
> There is a farm on the Butler-Hamilton county line most of it in Hamilton 
> county, Has a perfect out line "u" shaped of a morian on that farm.
> 
> I want to hunt that really bad.
> 
> Will ask next them next year.
> 
> 
> Dave Myers
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: tracy latimer 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:16:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
> 
> 
> That was my thought as well.  There seem to be parallels here between the 
> Muonionlusta field, which has been relocated by glacier, and the stones you 
> are 
> finding.  Are they in terminal moraines, or individuals in fields?  There is 
> a 
> reason why Moraine, OH was named that!
> 
> Best!
> Tracy Latimer
> 
>> From: mikest...@gmail.com
>> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:31:26 -0700
>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
>> 
>> Maybe it would be appropriate to bring out some larger coils, like are
>> commonly used in the Muonionalusta field, to look for deeper stones?
>> 
>> -Michael in so. Cal.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM, E.P. Grondine wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone -
>>> 
>>> Well, the meteorites won't be pristine, with some 13,000 years of 
>>> weathering, 
>> but then -
>>> 
>>> Who'd have thought that the mid center of the US would have had its own 
>> meteorite transport system, one paralleling that in Antarctica in some ways?
>>> 
>>> Dave, thanks for sharing.
>>> 
>>> E.P.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

[Jason Utas]

Hello Dave, All,
I doubt that the stones that you have found were glacially deposited.
The larger one appears to be fusion crusted and relatively fresh on
the inside; it seems highly unlikely that it could be 13,000 years
old, terrestrially speaking.  Ohio's far too wet to preserve a
meteorite that well for so long.
Congrats on the nice finds, regardless.  Get 'em analyzed and in the books!
Regards,
Jason



On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Dave Myers  wrote:
> Hi Mike you may be right.
>
> But the two chondrites are so different, I do not think there from the same
> fall. But they both could be from different falls??
>
>
> And when you look at the glacier map I posted with all the iron finds in south
> west ohio, non of them are paired?
>
>
> just my thoughts.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Dave Myers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: meteoriteguy.com 
> To: Dave Myers 
> Cc: tracy latimer ; 
> "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"
> 
> Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:29:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
>
> Guys,
> It is very unlikely that these
> Chondrites are related to the glaciation. Just appears to be a strewnfield 
> like
> any other.
>
> Michael Farmer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Dave Myers  wrote:
>
>> Hi Tracy
>>
>> All the green areas on the map are "high glaicer morians" It does not show 
>> the
>
>> smaller ones in Butler county and other countys.
>>
>> There is a farm on the Butler-Hamilton county line most of it in Hamilton
>> county, Has a perfect out line "u" shaped of a morian on that farm.
>>
>> I want to hunt that really bad.
>>
>> Will ask next them next year.
>>
>>
>> Dave Myers
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message 
>> From: tracy latimer 
>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:16:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
>>
>>
>> That was my thought as well.  There seem to be parallels here between the
>> Muonionlusta field, which has been relocated by glacier, and the stones you 
>> are
>>
>> finding.  Are they in terminal moraines, or individuals in fields?  There is 
>> a
>
>> reason why Moraine, OH was named that!
>>
>> Best!
>> Tracy Latimer
>> 
>>> From: mikest...@gmail.com
>>> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 15:31:26 -0700
>>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
>>>
>>> Maybe it would be appropriate to bring out some larger coils, like are
>>> commonly used in the Muonionalusta field, to look for deeper stones?
>>>
>>> -Michael in so. Cal.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:11 AM, E.P. Grondine wrote:

 Hi everyone -

 Well, the meteorites won't be pristine, with some 13,000 years of 
 weathering,
>>
>>> but then -

 Who'd have thought that the mid center of the US would have had its own
>>> meteorite transport system, one paralleling that in Antarctica in some ways?

 Dave, thanks for sharing.

 E.P.


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[meteorite-list] AD: 2 ADs on 2 Sites For 1 YEAR For $299

[Eric Wichman]

Advertising on MHC&  Meteorites USA - 2 ADs on 2 Sites For 1 YEAR For $299 - My 
2 TOP 10 Meteorite sites get over 120,000 visitors per year combined who are 
looking for meteorites and meteorite related information. I have some ad spots 
available on both sites on a first come first served basis. If you do not have a 
graphic, I will create (a basic) one for you for free. The ad will be linked from 
the TOP of EVERY page ofwww.mhcmagazine.com  andwww.meteoritesusa.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] Willimette?

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[meteorite-list] POP QUIZ FRIDAYS

[Shawn Alan]

Hello Listers,
 
I hope everyone is staying cool from the heat and if not your out and about 
hunting for meteorites. As for me, I am stuck in the BIG APPLE and if anyone 
knows of any strewn fields in Central Park, let me know and ill go meteorite 
hunting :)
 
Till then, I have a POP QUIZ today.
 
The name of the GAME
 
Be the 10th Listers to email me off the LIST with the correct answer and you 
will win a free 120mg Saratov fragment from a 1918 meteorite fall in Russia.
 
QUESTION:
 
Please tell me the name of the first meteorite that was etched?

Shawn Alan 
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[meteorite-list] BOLO- Stolen USU Meteorites

[Barrett]

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=15818889&nid=148   <-- link to the story and video!


Mammoth teeth, meteorites stolen from USU geology building
June 3rd, 2011 @ 12:45pm
By Mary Richards
LOGAN, UTAH -- Police are trying to track down a man suspected of stealing an 
estimated $3,000 worth of minerals, meteorites and mammoth teeth from the 
geology department at Utah State University. 
Department head David Liddell said the thief smashed through a basement window 
of the Geology Building last Saturday night and stole items from several glass 
cases -- leaving behind some blood. Among the items lost -- 10 fossils, 25 
minerals and an iMac computer and printer. 
"These are rocks and minerals which are pretty heavy," said Liddell. "They 
would be hard to carry off. But we did lose somewhere between $1,500 and $3,000 
worth of specimens." 
"If someone sees an individual with a dozen samples of fluorite sitting out, 
they could be a good suspect. Also if they see a mammoth tooth or Macedon tooth 
-- these are large elephant teeth -- that would be a pretty suspicious thing." 
-Dave Liddell
Police were able to get a description of the suspect. According to Liddell, a 
doctorate student saw a thin man about 6 feet 3 inches tall with dark eyes 
enter the building Saturday night. Police say he was wearing a green and white 
beanie and had cuts on his face -- possibly from breaking through glass. 
Liddell says the person responsible likely doesn't have much expertise in the 
field of geology. Most of the items stolen were common minerals that could be 
found along the side of the road, while several valuable items -- such as a 
large mammoth tusk believed to be from the Ice Age -- were left behind. 
"Maybe it's just these were pretty samples and now this person has them on 
their dinner table or bookshelf at home," Liddell said. 
For now, Liddell says department officials are monitoring websites to see if 
any of the items are posted for sale. He is asking the public to keep an eye 
out as well. 
"If someone sees an individual with a dozen samples of fluroite sitting out, 
they could be a good suspect," he said. "Also if they see a mammoth tooth or 
Macedon tooth -- these are large elephant teeth -- that would be a pretty 
suspicious thing." 
The geology department is offering a $1,000 reward for information leading to 
an arrest.


Barrett & Roxanne Flowers
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[meteorite-list] [AD] Major Auction Sunday Includes "Meteorite Men" Finds

[Notkin]

Dear Listees:

Greetings from a very hot and sunny Tucson.

As some of you know, Heritage is presenting a major natural history  
auction this Sunday in Dallas, featuring numerous fine meteorites.  
Among the offerings are several important pieces found on-camera  
during Season Two of "Meteorite Men." These specimens have a unique  
provenance, and the winning bidder will receive (from me) a DVD of the  
episode in which that particular piece was found. DVDs of the show are  
not available for sale at this time.


Of particular interest are:

- Main mass of the oriented San Juan (Chile) stone found by Steve on  
camera in "Meteorite Men" Season Two, Episode Three, and later  
analyzed by Dr. Mike Zolensky at NASA's Johnson Space Center.


- The highly oriented 42-gram Mifflin individual found on camera by  
Steve and Geoff in "Meteorite Men" Season Two, Episode Five -- a very  
desirable example of this recent witnessed fall.


- A large full slice of the exquisite Vaca Muerta mesosiderite mass  
found by Steve and Geoff on camera in "Meteorite Men" Season Two,  
Episode Two. Only nine slices were prepared and offered for sale, and  
this is one of the larges and best. Both Marlin Cilz and Dr. Laurence  
Garvie said this was one of the finest mesosiderites they had ever seen.


Also of note:

- A superb individual, 827 grams, of the Japanese witnessed fall  
Juancheng (Feb. 15, 1997). This excellent thumbprinted and fusion- 
crusted stone was prominently featured in my book "Meteorite Hunting:  
How To Find Treasure From Space," because of its exceptional character  
and the lot includes a signed copy of that book.


These lots, and several other impressive pieces from my personal  
collection -- including two Sikhote-Alins with natural holes, a large  
Sikhote-Alin etched end cut, and a beautiful part slice of Esquel --  
can be viewed in the Heritage online catalog:


http://bit.ly/iwNbDO

Online bidding is currently open, but only until 10 pm Central,  
tomorrow night.


In addition, we recently completed a significant update to the  
Aerolite Meteorites online catalog, and all new additions -- including  
Gibeon, Sikhote-Alin, Thuate, Oum Dreyga, Dimmitt, Juancheng, Gebel  
Kamil, Taza, Mundrabilla, Henbury, and much more including lovely new  
meteorite jewelry -- can be seen here:


http://www.aerolite.org/new.htm


Have a great weekend, and good luck to anyone bidding in the Heritage  
auction,


Geoff N.

www.aerolite.org
www.meteoritemen.com
www.meteoriteblog.org
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[meteorite-list] Test

[John Lutzon]

Test- having an issue.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

[Norm Lehrman]

Count,  

Muonionalusta is actually a good illustration regarding the potential effects 
of 
glaciation: 

 "--- the Muonionalusta meteorites have endured thousands of years' worth 
of glaciations and melting periods. As a result, thawing ice sheets have 
migrated the meteorites miles from their original impact site, making 
Muonionalusta among the largest and most challenging strewn fields on the 
planet."  (quoted from the Meteorite Men episode description).  


I don't have any personal knowledge of the Muonionalusta research, but the 
suggestion inherint in the last part of the quote is that glacial effects have 
dispersed, enlarged, and confused the inferred original distribution pattern.

Which is my general point:  more often than not, glacial phenomena work against 
the meteorite hunter.  


Without the slightest doubt, meteorites fell on the continental ice sheets, 
were 
variously transported, and were ultimately deposited.  This, however, does not 
make glacial deposits any more prospective for meteorites than your back yard.  
In fact, if you find one in your back yard, you will be well on your way to 
finding more.  But if you find one in glacial till, your chances of expanding 
that find into multiple finds is greatly reduced, not enhanced.

Cheers,
Norm
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- Original Message 
From: Count Deiro 
To: Norm Lehrman ; Dave Myers 
Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 6:31:30 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

Hello Norm, List,

Considering the exposition on "Meteorite Men" of the Muonionalusta strewn field 
and in particular the claims by the Swedish hunter that the meteorites were 
brought to the area by glaciers, could you comment?

Best to all,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536
-Original Message-
>From: Norm Lehrman 
>Sent: Jun 10, 2011 6:08 AM
>To: Dave Myers 
>Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
>
>All,
>
>I fear this thread may be counter-productive for any that are just getting 
>started in the search for meteorites.  The glacier angle is, in this case, 
>thin 

>ice.  First, Antarctica is a very special case:  in general glacial moraines 
>are 
>
>an absolutely horrible place to look.  I'm with Mike.  If you've got genuine 
>meteorites, they probably have nothing at all to do with the moraine 
>deposits.  

>Second, I'm also with Anne: the starting place here is to confirm the ID.  
>This 

>is one of those stories with "to good to be true" overtones.
>
>But back to moraines. As a lifelong exploration geologist, I spent many years 
>living on the terminal moraines and outwash gravels of the Cordilleran ice 
>sheet 
>
>(in NE WA).  Moraines are vast accumulations of rock, precisely what a 
>meteorite 
>
>hunter doesn't want.  Nininger's pioneering success in the recovery of 
>meteorites was a direct result of going places where there shouldn't be any 
>rocks. The sand seas of the Sahara, same thing.  The dry lakebeds of the Great 
>Basin continue that tradition.  And so does Antarctica.  
>
>
>The latter, of course, is where the confusion arises.  Glaciers are part of 
>the 

>story for the Antarctic meteorites, but only part.  Starting at the simple 
>end, 

>Antarctica is a vast expanse of white and blue where the nearest bedrock is 
>often 3000 m straight down.  Rocks are easy to spot, and most that are there 
>fell from the sky.  On a snowmobile you can cover a lot of ground fast and not 
>miss much.  The driest air on earth (much dryer than that of hot deserts) adds 
>to the story by lengthening meteorite shelf-life.  Then there are the glaciers.
>
>Mainly, the ice flows to the coast and the meteorites sail away in their ice 
>rafts until they are dumped unceremoniously into the depths of the ocean.  
>However, where the flowing ice encounters mountains, like the Transantarctic 
>range, it stalls, to be slowly eaten away by katabatic winds descending from 
>the 
>
>high country.  More ice flows in to replace that lost, and with time, all of 
>the 
>
>entrained rocks accumulate in a relatively compact stranding zone.
>
>The terminal moraines of the North American ice sheets were quite different.  
>They flowed into warmer climes, melted, thinned and dumped their contents like 
>dirty plowed snowpiles in the spring.  They advanced and retreated.  
>Meltwaters 

>reworked the lot.  The ice was both a bulldozer and upside-down conveyor 
>belt.  

>Certainly, meteorites fell onto the surface of the ice, as they do on all the 
>world, but in this case the glaciers provided vast dilution, not concentration.
>
>Of course you could find a meteorite in glacial deposits, but the dilution 
>effects make the search much more difficult.
>
>So advice to would-be searchers: by all means do search wherever you can, but 
>if 
>
>you want to increase your odds of success, don't head for the moraines of the 
>great continental